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Speaker 1: You know, you talk a lot about both your black

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Speaker 1: got land. What we did with that land is a

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00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: whole another situation. And so I feel that we got

428
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,920
Speaker 1: one and the same. Now, the only difference is that

429
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,399
Speaker 1: we had to govern ourselves, We had to take we

430
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:33,720
Speaker 1: had a feed for our entire tribe of people, and

431
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 1: and unlike you know, families or sharecroppers that was getting rand,

432
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 1: they had to just take care of their family. They

433
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,880
Speaker 1: didn't have to take care of all black people. That's true.

434
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: Now let's let's pin right there. This is a great conversation.

435
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,879
Speaker 1: I hope you go on the Reparations podcast too, that

436
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 1: they just deal with black and fact, because I think

437
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: this is good. We're going way longer than inspective. But

438
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,679
Speaker 1: this is just a damn good conversation. So let's go

439
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: back to that thing because the share croppers, and just

440
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: for folks to listen, we're not debating, we're trying to,

441
00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, really get down with this because your perspective

442
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 1: was very interesting. So the argument with black people with

443
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: the share conference is, yeah, they gave us land quote

444
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,959
Speaker 1: unquote allowed us to be sharecroppers, but we had to

445
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: pay a tax back to the slave master, and which

446
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,639
Speaker 1: means we never it was we never owned that land.

447
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: So I think and I do know that people got land,

448
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 1: but I do know the argument is no, they they

449
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: they gave it to us, but it was like, okay,

450
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: you can have the land as long as you pay

451
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 1: five thousand dollars, and so they never truly owned the

452
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: land because of the constant they had to toll the

453
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 1: land versus Native Americans actually got the Landing got to

454
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: govern themselves. Is that what I'm understanding? Our govern ourselves.

455
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:44,439
Speaker 1: But if we became federally recognized because we wanted food

456
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: and we wanted healthcare. Now, mind you, our food is

457
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 1: remember remember back in the day when we used to

458
00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: get commodity boxes, commodity food. That's that what was our food.

459
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: The government cheese and all that, that was our food.

460
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: So that was the food that we It's not like

461
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: they gave us like, oh, we're gonna give you a

462
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,200
Speaker 1: nice food. Know, they give us commodity boxes and said

463
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: we'll give you guys this, and just so we could

464
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: govern you all. Let's say that your self governing, but

465
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: we also need to say we need to govern what's

466
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: your self governing? So we're still controlling you all. You

467
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 1: all also have to give us a certain amount of

468
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 1: money to back to the Bierau of any affairs for

469
00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: us governing you. So so it really is the same situation.

470
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: It just looks nice on paper. God, I guess they

471
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: try to make it looks nice on paper, but when

472
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 1: you're living in it, it's not. It like and then

473
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: the casino problem, like the casino situation because a lot

474
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: of people say reparations they got casinos. Well, what it

475
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 1: is is that we was able to find a way

476
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 1: to be able to have have gambling, have a business

477
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 1: on this land that we are on, the so called

478
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: i would say, so called sovereign land that we're on,

479
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: that business with casinos. It goes right back to like, now,

480
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: are we good at handling the business of these casinos? No,

481
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: but a lot of them, A lot of a lot

482
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 1: of tribes not and a lot of them like, for instance,

483
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: I have a casino on my tribe. None of us

484
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: get paid from that casino. We're basically generating the money

485
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 1: back to ourselves, like not even generaly, not even generating money.

486
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: It's just enough just to pay the workers at the casino.

487
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 1: But don't you think that's a different argument though, even

488
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: on hear what you're saying, because it's just like if

489
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: they say, now, hey, we gave five thousand dollar grant

490
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: to the hood to do what you need to do. Now,

491
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: how you mismanage it's on you or how you do

492
00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: it on you. But I think the argument comes down

493
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: to it's still it hasn't been given a black people period,

494
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: you know, so when you I understand totally what you're saying.

495
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: In other words, when we say the word reparations, if

496
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna just break down the word repair, there has

497
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 1: not been repaired for your community, is what you're saying.

498
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: There hasn't been repaired in our community. And when you

499
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: talk about like the reparations, because something I've heard this too,

500
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: like Native Americans have got their reparations, and certain like

501
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: certain tribes, they will start mentioned there was a meme

502
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: that was out of various tribes that a said guy reparations.

503
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 1: Those were lawsuits, just like how the Sneaky experiment was

504
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,600
Speaker 1: a lawsuits different their reparations, right, But I do want

505
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: to you know, to get reparations, you have a claim.

506
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 1: It has to be a lawsuit, is what I'm saying.

507
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,120
Speaker 1: That's that's the part that I'm trying to make sure

508
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: that either I'm I'm understanding what you're saying and that

509
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: the person listening is following. Because reparations is a lawsuit.

510
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: It is a claim, a justice claim. And that's where

511
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: the argument comes in with who is entitled to the

512
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: justice claim because it's based upon lineage. It's not just

513
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 1: based upon the color somebody's skin or hey, I came

514
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: my you can't trace my lineage back to being an

515
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: American descendant of slave, but I'm black and I still

516
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: suffer from racism. It is about lineage, and that's why

517
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 1: the argument says, oh, you guys are anti immigrants, or oh,

518
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: you know, I'm talking to the reparation community. They'll say, oh,

519
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: they're anti immigrants, anti but that's not it they're trying

520
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: to get because in order to have a justice claim,

521
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: due process, you have to be able to show you

522
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,280
Speaker 1: know the claimant, you know, and and why they have

523
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 1: a claim. And so the the whole reparation argument is

524
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: about due process and is about not even ever getting

525
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: even the casino. But I hear what you're saying, which

526
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 1: is no, that was not repaired. That was hood wing

527
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,640
Speaker 1: bamboos led astray. It did not repair our communities. It

528
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: was just given us once again, another you know, way

529
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: to keep funneling from our communities. But I just want

530
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: to be fair in the argument to say that you

531
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: know there's black people. That says, okay, but we didn't

532
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 1: even get the sovereign land. We didn't even get the casino.

533
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: We didn't even get federally recognized. One of the arguments

534
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: and reparations is to be federally recognized, be actually a

535
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: descendant of slave, that that should be separate and apart

536
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: from just being black. I felt that Natives and blacks

537
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: should get reparations. I don't think there should be a

538
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: one or the other. And I hate the fact that

539
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: there is a constant debate on that because I feel

540
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: that we have suffered. We have suffered as black and

541
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: Natives on this soil have suffered so much, and I

542
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: feel that we should give reparations, and I don't feel

543
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 1: that it should like exactly what you were talking about

544
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: the oppression wars. My my struggle is worse than your,

545
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: like we we grammarize our pain for for you know

546
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, to try to make make us be more.

547
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: You know, Walt's to me more and and and I

548
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 1: think that's all. I think that some of them, but

549
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: some of it is kind of like going back to

550
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: when you said that people don't even recognize the Native

551
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: American exists. It goes back to you got one community saying,

552
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: y'all don't even acknowledge that we exist, and then you've

553
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: got the black person sent over there, Oh, they acknowledge

554
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: you exists because they cut the check and then you

555
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: said no, but the check they made us pay it

556
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 1: right back on an interested in something. So I think

557
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: it comes down to I hope you do more conversations

558
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: on this because the education needs to be out there

559
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: because in the reality of it is always say I

560
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 1: don't tell you how it should be. I'm telling you

561
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: how it is, and how it is is in politics,

562
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: the loudest group, the squeaky will, you know, gets the

563
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 1: old and the realit reality is, it sounds good to

564
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: say we should all come together and we all should

565
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 1: get reparation, but the reality is if they do it,

566
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: it more than likely won't be both. It's going to

567
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: be one of the other. And so because of that,

568
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: because we have been so oppressed, and we know that

569
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 1: they divide, and we know they divide and conquer, and

570
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 1: we know they pick and choose who was their favorite

571
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: oppressed person, there is you know, just speaking of the

572
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 1: devil's advocate of how you know how people feel that Okay,

573
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, they're only gonna choose

574
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 1: one or the other, or at least for the first round.

575
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: Even if you look at just what our similar checks

576
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: that went out, some folks got is some folk didn't.

577
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm using that as a metaphor as an analogy. Okay,

578
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 1: if you only made this amount, you got it. If

579
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: you only make that amount, you guys. And then I

580
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: know people who are on disability that didn't get it

581
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: at all because they didn't meet the cutoffs. So now

582
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: they got to get it on a rebate, you know,

583
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: to go in and foul their taxes. They don't even

584
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,480
Speaker 1: foul taxes, don't even make enough to foul taxes. So

585
00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: because of white supremacy, we have had to have oppression wars.

586
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 1: And even though it sounds good to say, well, we

587
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: should all come together when it comes down and then

588
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: writing a check, they're going to put one or the other.

589
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: And black people at least they pushed for reparations that

590
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: you know, this is their fight all the time. Feel

591
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: that they continue to keep going it behind the line,

592
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: behind the line, after this group, after that group, after

593
00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: Native Americans, after Jewish, after Chinese, after that, and some

594
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: all of those groups have gotten at least a little

595
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: bit of something. But I hear what you're saying to say, no,

596
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: when you break down the details of that, it was nothing.

597
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: But but we also have to recognize that there's still

598
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: people that says no. But Black people as a collective,

599
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: just like some people, like you said, sher coppers got land,

600
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 1: some did, some didn't, but as a collective not being

601
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: federally recognized to say, if we just want to go

602
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: on our own land and raise our own food and

603
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: do whatever and how whatever, do we have that choice?

604
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: And I think the argument is Black people don't have

605
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: that choice. At least the American descendants of slaves even

606
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: have the choice. But it doesn't mean that what they

607
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: gave you or Native American community was right and fair

608
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: and just an equal It just you know, the even

609
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: then and once a year that all of the tribes

610
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: that go to d C and they also at war

611
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: of their oppression in order for them to read to

612
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: receive certain grants, federal grants are allotted for their youth

613
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 1: programs or whatever, you know, and they fight amongst themselves,

614
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, as tribal presidents and they and they go

615
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,120
Speaker 1: and they're like, you know, our tribe needs this money

616
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: more than they go to the government once a year.

617
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 1: And can I ask you are those grants constructed for

618
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: Native Americans specifically? Yeah? Okay, So one of the arguments

619
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: on you know, again when black people are pushing why

620
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: there's this oppression war is because our our grants are

621
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: never for African Americans specifically, they're not for American descent

622
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:47,719
Speaker 1: as a slave specifically, it's for minorities, disadvantage, underserved under privilege.

623
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: And then that puts black people in the back of

624
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: the line again to compete with everybody who's poor, no

625
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: matter what their race is. It puts women if you're

626
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, women, that mean I gotta compeople with

627
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: white women. I've lost contracts to white women. So I

628
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: think it's important you know that all these groups that

629
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: we're hearing each other, you know, and what why that pain?

630
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: And I'm only speaking to when you said you don't

631
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: know why they say that because I wanted to you

632
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: don't kind of speak on that path on why because

633
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,239
Speaker 1: at least and even though it's not shipped and they

634
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: gotta fight among scraps, Like I'm hearing what you're saying,

635
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: they're giving you one piece of bread and saying figure

636
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: it out. You know, you'll figure out. But what the

637
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: black people that are fighting reparations saying, well, we don't

638
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: even get the bread specifically for us, because we have

639
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 1: to keep competing, not even just what you said, tribe

640
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: amongst tribe. Not only do we gotta compete with black folks,

641
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: we gotta compete with everybody who's poor, Chinese suspanding Native

642
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,480
Speaker 1: American what so, when is it going to be federally

643
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: recognized as a descendant of slave American sin, as a

644
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: recognized group that traces back to the lineage the same

645
00:33:49,520 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: way that the Native American community have were being on

646
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,479
Speaker 1: the rolls and being on the dog, you know, and

647
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: and being identified does that? And I think that that

648
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: should happen most definitely, And I also I want to

649
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: I want to know how many people will really start

650
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: claiming their blackness the same way that people will be,

651
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: you know, you know, claiming their nativeness because they're thinking

652
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: Natives give money, you know what I'm saying. It's like,

653
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: it's that whole once again, it's that whole thing choosing

654
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,399
Speaker 1: what And see, that's why the lineage conversation is there,

655
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: because if you can't prove that you come from that lineage,

656
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 1: just like in the Native American community, you can run

657
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: around and say, oh, yeah, my great grandmother she was.

658
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: But if you're not on the roads if your family

659
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 1: on the roads, you don't get access to tribal benefits.

660
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: You just don't. And so the argument is, and I've

661
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: seen a matter of fact of Monroe Bird the case

662
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: that I worked in Oklahoma, you know, chairkee on the roads.

663
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: Family had healthcare coverage that brand out. You know, I

664
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: watched he was shot by security, a security guard his family.

665
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 1: This truly was a young man that never got any

666
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: trouble in his life. Was in the car with a

667
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: what a white young lady, and the guy thought he

668
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: was smoking weed and wanted to arrest him. He drove away.

669
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: As he was driving away, he was shot and paralyzed

670
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: from the neck on down. They ran through his personal

671
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,879
Speaker 1: UH insurance policy. Family was a pastor's son, and then

672
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: they leaned on Native American Health insurance and and that

673
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: ran out. And I watched, and I was there that

674
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: day when they sent him home, and I said, on

675
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: the record, you're sending him home to die. And it's

676
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: a damn shame that this is a black young man

677
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 1: who was Native American, no question about it, on the rods.

678
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 1: And still went home. And he died about sixty days later.

679
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: So I hear you when I say and and to me,

680
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: that was the toughest case for me because he was

681
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: a living victim. A lot of these cases I work on.

682
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: You don't know. You know I worked on George Floyd case,

683
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: but I don't I never met George Floyd to watch

684
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: my role and look in his eyes. That was the

685
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 1: only thing that he could move because he was paralyzed

686
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: from the neck on down, so the only thing expression

687
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,359
Speaker 1: he had was on his face. And I always tell

688
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: this story because it was so powerful to me. When

689
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: I was coming to room, he said, Okay, my publicist

690
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: is here. If she's here to you know, make sure

691
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 1: my story gets out. That hurt me deeply because you

692
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: really feel like you let him down. And for me,

693
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: that really left me that because I had a chance

694
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: to interact and watch him die, and I yelled and

695
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 1: screamed and wrote letters and maybe you google you'll see

696
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: the day he was taking home from the hospital, I

697
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 1: had him bring the cameras there do it all to say,

698
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 1: this man is going home to die because his mother,

699
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: she doesn't know how to take care of a paraplegic.

700
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: And that's what happened. He got a blood claud in

701
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: his legs. But because he's paraplegic. By the time it

702
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: got to its halready died. So I hear what you're saying, sister,

703
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: and I hear I understand, you know, the lack of

704
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: resources on both sides. And I think, I hope I

705
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: agree with Charlemagne. You know, you have blessed us with

706
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: with tribal knowledge that I know people don't know. I

707
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: hope you continue to share on other platforms. But you

708
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: know what I really like about you the the ability

709
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: to educate and listen and us to be able to

710
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: try to discern what we're saying and and get understanding

711
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: because I'm not challenging anything you're saying. I'm just trying to,

712
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: you know, walk people through this conversation so that we

713
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: get understanding. Yeah, I appreciate that because a lot of

714
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: times when people have these conversations with me, they want

715
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 1: to argue with me and debate with me, you know.

716
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: And so for us to be able to have this

717
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: conversation or like, let's walk through this thing, because it

718
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: is a conversation that needs to be had. And and

719
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm always a lot of people always making means of

720
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: my face in this conversation, and you know, and and

721
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: then um, or who's the real Indians and you know

722
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: and all of that. You know, it's a constant. So

723
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 1: I love that we're having this conversation and where and

724
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: it's a healthy conversation and I'm learning from you, you know,

725
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: And I think that it's important that we do that

726
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: because a lot of people want to debate with me

727
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 1: on how I see, you know, the close relationship between

728
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: blacks and Native Americans and then what does that look like?

729
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: You know? So, and I think it it comes down

730
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: to where people are in their advocacy, because I could

731
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: see people really getting offended and being upset and you

732
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,399
Speaker 1: feeling you need to defend because like you said, hey,

733
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: I'm going to speak up for that because I know

734
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: it is I know, I know it's not reparations in

735
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,959
Speaker 1: the form of repair because I'm looking at my people hurting.

736
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,800
Speaker 1: So I feel you. But I think, yeah, I do.

737
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: And I said, and I'm seeing it on both ends.

738
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, I'm saying, I'm like, man, I'm

739
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: seeing my my family on my black side hurting and

740
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm staying my family on my neighbors side. Like every summer,

741
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: every summer and during the holidays, I was on a reservation,

742
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,959
Speaker 1: you know, and then um and then going back home

743
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: to the inner city. You know. So I was just

744
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: like it. To me, it was one and the same.

745
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: And and that's that's important. Your your view, which is

746
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: really helpful. You see it as one and the same

747
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: because it was one and the same for you. And

748
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: so I think, you know, when they say knowledge, wisdom, understanding,

749
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: you I understand because you've seen both sides. You know.

750
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: One weekend my mother, I was my mother on my

751
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: mom's at both of my grandparents name, my grandmother's are Joyce.

752
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: Both of my grandfather's name was Thomas. On both sides

753
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: of my family, paternal and maternal. One weekend I was

754
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: in the over Grandpa grandma figure rolls which I would

755
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: go on my aunts and then all my cousins in

756
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: the street. And the next weekend over Joyce Taylor's house.

757
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: It was nothing but church. I mean, she was the

758
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,800
Speaker 1: most godly, she's Jesus cousin. I know she is without

759
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: a doubt, and I I saw that as one of

760
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: I thought everybody had that type of balance, Like, what

761
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: do you mean you didn't see the fans come in

762
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: last week and somebody shooting up and in the next weekend,

763
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: you're doing drill team practice. I thought everybody did that,

764
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, because I was so involved in it and

765
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: living in it. It was my normal. So I appreciate

766
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: you saying that, and I hope that people received that

767
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 1: from you and find it as a blessing to a conversation,

768
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: because you truly can see both sides because it is

769
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 1: your normal. But at the same time, I recognized, at

770
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 1: least for me speaking for myself, that that's normal for me.

771
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: But I recognize my daddy side of the family that

772
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: did not see that. And that goes back to what

773
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: we talked about in the beginning about the capacity and

774
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: the capability to see the things that I see because

775
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 1: they were never exposed, you know, to the other side.

776
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 1: So you see it as one and the same. But

777
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: people on either of those sides that did not have

778
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: the opportunity to see both sides, they see it as

779
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 1: a true competition. And so obviously you've been blessed with

780
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 1: this gift and with this ancestry and with this knowledge

781
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: to try to I can't say, oh, we all wanta

782
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: come together, you know, on my show, I always say

783
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't be looking for allies. I'm looking for frontline soldiers.

784
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 1: I don't. I think we spent a lot of time

785
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: trying to get all of us to come together and

786
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: agree instead of finding people that you rock with and

787
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: and like Gideon's Army three hundred, I don't need ten thousand.

788
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: I want. I want three hundred. But I think it's important,

789
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 1: you know, to have different voices after the build allies.

790
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: My brother Killer Mike, I think he's awesome at that.

791
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: He's awesome at getting white folks to be educated and

792
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 1: here what we're talking about and whatever. I did that

793
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: in corporate America. I've been round white folks forever. But

794
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 1: in this space that's not I'm not trying to build allies.

795
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm trying to look for frontline soldiers that's gonna push

796
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: the line, push the line, you know, but that is

797
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: still needed. So I'm hoping, I really am and praying

798
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: that you uh continue to use your voice because you

799
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: have a very very unique perspective and I can see

800
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: where people, you know, would challenge you, and I hope

801
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 1: that you get in the right spaces so that people

802
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: can actually hear you, um because they're not going to

803
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 1: hear Because I appreciate your discernment before we started, you

804
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: talking about being a very spiritual woman and being in

805
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: tune with people's spirit. I pray that your discernment leads

806
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: you to have these conversations with the right people, because

807
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 1: I want him to hear what you're saying, and you

808
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 1: have the ability to listen as well and say, okay,

809
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: I feel you Now this interview can be over. You

810
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: say I don't care what Tesla said. I still I

811
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: said what I said and she didn't change my mind.

812
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: But we had an opportunity to hear each other. And

813
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 1: that's what we don't do. We were here, but we

814
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: don't listen. And I've learned a lot today by listening

815
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 1: to you. I learned a lot from you as well.

816
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: These conversations do need to be have and there's a

817
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: variety at my second Indigenous people as they interview with

818
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club was I brought five Native Americans from

819
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 1: various tribes to come and to speak, and so so

820
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: people are is able to hear a variety of opinion

821
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: and how different viewpoints. It was. It wasn't just me.

822
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: I can't speak for all Indigenous people. I could just

823
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: speak speak on my experiences and and share stories what

824
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,479
Speaker 1: other people have shared with me. But I've always and

825
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: and I've always just saw my mother taught me to

826
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: see our similarities more than our differences, you know. And

827
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: that's something that I strive to do, is to be

828
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 1: able to show try to show people more of our

829
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 1: similarities than our differences, because this enemy has divided us

830
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: up so bad. And when there was a time where

831
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: we once traded with one another, and we once were

832
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: you know, we was, you know, distant relatives to one another,

833
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: you know, and um, and I think that we need

834
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: to get back to that. We have to get back

835
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: to that. We're starting to see that your voices need

836
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: did not even just I mean to educate tribes. And

837
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: I'll say this, and I swear we're wrapping up, but

838
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 1: because of the way you present it's so important because,

839
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: like you said, stereotypes of what people should and shouldn't.

840
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: I look like you have a very unique advantage. Because

841
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: I'll just give you a story with with George Ford's funeral.

842
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: After the funeral, when we were in the back and eating,

843
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: a Native American tribe came by and presented, you know,

844
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: they pay homage, and I heard people in in the

845
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: rooms you know, and and when I posted that photo

846
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: and people said, look at them. They are always trying

847
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 1: to steal the shine. They're always trying to make it

848
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: about them. That is really out there, that oppression wars

849
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 1: out there, and it is because we're talking about people

850
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: that feel they have to continue to race, you know,

851
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: on who's going to get that one piece of bread.

852
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: And I'm not realizing. And I'm happy you're mentioning this

853
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 1: because when it happened, I saw it on social media

854
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: and I was like, you all do not know the

855
00:43:55,320 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 1: history of Minneapolis. If you understand the history, American Indian

856
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: Movement was founded in Minneapolis around the corner from where

857
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 1: George Floyd was murdered, and they're still that. There's still

858
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: the American Indian Movement is still active today. There's a

859
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: large population of Pacific Islanders in the Asian community in

860
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,920
Speaker 1: that community, a large population of Latinos, those that are

861
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: on the grassroots in Minneapolis. They know that if something

862
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 1: pops off, it's gonna be everyone from those race of

863
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: people coming together. I saw it there and then this

864
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: was at his funeral in Houston. Though they came after

865
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: the futures and other players. They can't and yeah, you

866
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: can see people wondering like why are they here? But

867
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: they broke down. I can't remember they said, burbet, but

868
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: they gave certain artifacts and certain things, you know that

869
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: to bring peace and different things. And that's what we

870
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: do as it And even if we go to Africa,

871
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,720
Speaker 1: if even if we go to Africa, the indigenous tribes

872
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: of Africa will give you an offering, give you something

873
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: of gratitude, give you whether it's a prayer, a dance

874
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,399
Speaker 1: or something. See what thing is is that we as

875
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: people of so called color, we have to be able

876
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: to get back to our indigenous roots of hospitality, of

877
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: coming together and joining and community together. We gotta decolonize

878
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: the way that we separate. Because when you go to

879
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 1: these other places, there's a respect level, but we also

880
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 1: understand there's a respect level of culture and getting to

881
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:29,719
Speaker 1: our indigenous roots. So even as something as as a

882
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 1: funeral of George Floyd that was nothing but our people,

883
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 1: you nodding together of a common cause that all of

884
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,279
Speaker 1: us are being affected with, which which is flames why

885
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: you were so heartbroken about now it's all looping together

886
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 1: because you just said that that way. Now it really

887
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 1: makes sense. Why you were so heartbroken when the people

888
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: of Flint didn't come commune with you because in your

889
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 1: culture that is considered you know that that is how

890
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: you connect and and and that's the level of respect.

891
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 1: Now that puts the bowl on that because I don't

892
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: know if people here that would have got that until

893
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 1: you just said they heard you. You know. Uh, I

894
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: felt it was wrong. We didn't deserve that, But I

895
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: was worried that somebody would say, well, why would she

896
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: thinks about her? It's about being there to give the

897
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 1: egg about when our time, our time, things that we

898
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 1: give is a gift. This thing, our conversation, we are

899
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,919
Speaker 1: gifting each other right now. We don't look at these

900
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: small things because because our our former slave masters have

901
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: taught us of I attitude. It's about me and it's

902
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: what I contribute, and forget what you have to say.

903
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: We have to decolonize the way that we commune with

904
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 1: one another. And it's a simple thing of gratitude. It's

905
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: a simple thing of looking at the small thing could

906
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: be a big thing. You know. After this conversation, Um,

907
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: I'm heading to the e R because I'm not feeling well.

908
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: I felt my heart rate went down to fifty yesterday

909
00:46:58,120 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: and as I mean, I'm hold I'm holding on with

910
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: this conversation. But I'm I'm but this but but no,

911
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,759
Speaker 1: but you're giving me a gift right now, and out

912
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 1: of respect, I I'm you know what I'm saying. I'm

913
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,959
Speaker 1: here with you because this is a gift of conversation.

914
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: We don't take these times for a precious time. We

915
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: take it for granted. And we can't take people for granted.

916
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: So we have to learn the history of movements of cities.

917
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: And we also have to respect one another and treat

918
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: each other. You know, this is why they threw in

919
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,760
Speaker 1: religion so hard. But the Ten Commandments is very basic

920
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: and even without religion, those ten commandments are even within

921
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: traditional indigenous culture from Africa to Asia to everything. That's

922
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: the perfect way to end. I'm glad you put a

923
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: bowl on that, and and now it all makes sense.

924
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: On why you have, you know, the events that you

925
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: do surrounded around self healing and self care and communing

926
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: with others. I hope you continue, you know, to be

927
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,759
Speaker 1: a voice for that. It is so needed, particularly to

928
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 1: our our activists that are out there on the front line. Um,

929
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: you know, being a sister to so many. You know,

930
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 1: you're spoken highly of within this movement. I can certainly

931
00:48:10,440 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: see why, and I think it's needed. I think you are.

932
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: I know it's no thing to it. You are a

933
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: tremendous gift, and I want to thank you for coming

934
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 1: by and gifting us and hopefully we'll be back. Where

935
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Speaker 1: can people find you before we get out of here? Yeah,

936
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: it's on, Queen. It looks like yo naza queen ry

937
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: oh n A s d A. I'm the only your

938
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: naja hat in the world. So any of you put

939
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 1: that in the Google search, you'll see it all your

940
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: naja hot. Yeah, I got it right. I pronounced it right.

941
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Thank you, Queen, Thank you so much.

942
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: Continue to do what you're doing, continue to spread love

943
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 1: and light and your gift. I look forward to hearing

944
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 1: from you more your voice. Thank you, sweetheart. Everybody you

945
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: just heard the Queen breaking it down. I hope you've

946
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: got some gems. I hope you got some gems. Make

947
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: sure you share this episode. This is really, really, really

948
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Speaker 1: important just because of where we are in this space

949
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,799
Speaker 1: of oppression and how we can continue to work to

950
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: each other. I've learned so much. I hope you did too.

951
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week going at it again. Please

952
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Speaker 1: make sure you're listening in for the next week or so.

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