Speaker 1: What's that anthem of my bed? It's spooky and kooky.
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's dead it's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Hey, I'm sad.
Speaker 3: I los Ma says, Hey boo, it's me Raz. I'm
Speaker 3: joined again by an absolute icon of the drag world
Speaker 3: and a friend of mine named Coco Peru, also known
Speaker 3: as Clinton Loop and Coco. You may know from so
Speaker 3: many appearances in movies and TV shows. I mean, Will
Speaker 3: and Gray's Dead End Paranormal Park, which is a new
Speaker 3: animated show on Netflix, super cute show.
Speaker 1: And Coco is I.
Speaker 3: Mean, she has an iconic voice, and so she lends
Speaker 3: it to the show and I got to talk to
Speaker 3: her out of drag, which is very very rare. There
Speaker 3: is a video of it on YouTube and that'll be
Speaker 3: linked in the show notes. And she's one of the
Speaker 3: most requested guests to come back on the show. She
Speaker 3: was actually on this show. I looked it up and
Speaker 3: it was two years ago, almost to the date. It
Speaker 3: was very much in the thick of lockdown. I might
Speaker 3: have been recording on my phone at the time. I'm
Speaker 3: not really sure, but either way, the audio's fine. She
Speaker 3: has so many stories, not just ghost stories, a lot
Speaker 3: of extraterrestrial type stories, and I got the tea, I
Speaker 3: got her to open up about it, and she.
Speaker 1: Really delivered.
Speaker 3: And it's a two part episode and I recommend if
Speaker 3: you've never heard it to go back and listen because
Speaker 3: she has so many stories.
Speaker 1: They're so good.
Speaker 3: Anyway, So she's in Spain right now and we hopped
Speaker 3: on Zoom and we had this conversation, so I hope
Speaker 3: you enjoy. And as always Patreon, I've got bonus episodes
Speaker 3: on my second tier, and I just did one of Delaware.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm doing all the states and going through
Speaker 3: the paranormal phenomena of each state, and so Delaware that
Speaker 3: would mean Florida is the next one, which I will
Speaker 3: be releasing at some point this week. And I really
Speaker 3: appreciate when you support the show like that. But either way,
Speaker 3: I appreciate you for listening, and I hope you enjoy
Speaker 3: this conversation with Clinton Loop aka Coco Peru on with
Speaker 3: the show. Oh my God, I am joined once again
Speaker 3: by Coco Peru Hello.
Speaker 2: Also known as Clinton Loop, and this I believe this
Speaker 2: is the first interview I'm doing out of Troy because
Speaker 2: I just don't give a and my curse.
Speaker 1: Usually not, but I don't give up.
Speaker 2: I don't give up anymore.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 3: You know, I'm so honored because you also told me
Speaker 3: that the last time you were on this podcast was
Speaker 3: the first time you had talked about your paranormal experiences.
Speaker 1: So what is it about me that I keep.
Speaker 3: Getting all of these exclusives from Coco Peru. I'm honored.
Speaker 2: I guess you have powers. Ross. What can I say?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Okay, I know you do.
Speaker 2: Okay. So since the last time we spoke, I think
Speaker 2: I went to Roswell because, you know, during the pandemic
Speaker 2: when my shows were canceled, so I got these plane tickets.
Speaker 2: I had to use some of them. So when they
Speaker 2: first let us out and rough and I felt safe,
Speaker 2: we went to Santa Fe and I said, can we
Speaker 2: please go to Roswell for one day? So we drove
Speaker 2: there and I went to the UFO Museum and I
Speaker 2: bought this hat and I bought a shirt as well
Speaker 2: that I'm wearing. I went crazy.
Speaker 3: My god, the city of Roswell owes you so much
Speaker 3: money for that advertisement?
Speaker 2: Right now, Well, let me tell you it was a
Speaker 2: real kind of dump. You know. That added the charm
Speaker 2: to me, I absolutely town in general, the town in
Speaker 2: general is nothing like spectacular, but you know, I kind
Speaker 2: of loved that about it. And the museum was a
Speaker 2: little tacky, but come on, you know, I love taki,
Speaker 2: so I was eating it all up. But I will
Speaker 2: say this, it offered the story of what happened there.
Speaker 2: They did a really good job at that in museum.
Speaker 2: And also they had an entire library, and that library,
Speaker 2: for some reason, really impressed me. With newspaper or people
Speaker 2: go they had to actually research. And so it was
Speaker 2: the first time in my life where I was standing
Speaker 2: somewhere where I felt like, Okay, there's other people that
Speaker 2: get get this and take it seriously. And for that
Speaker 2: reason it felt very affirming to me and I and
Speaker 2: for that reason I loved it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, my full name is Roswell Hernandez.
Speaker 2: It is not.
Speaker 1: No, it's not, But I thought about that.
Speaker 3: I do have a theory that aliens come to Earth
Speaker 3: to feel better about wherever they live. So if you
Speaker 3: say it was a dump, maybe they were. Maybe that's
Speaker 3: why they chose that area. They came down here and
Speaker 3: they were like, oh my god, look at this place.
Speaker 3: And then they crashed because they were looking at everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 2: It's a theory.
Speaker 1: So you you okay.
Speaker 3: I listened back to the last time you were on
Speaker 3: and you had thirty thousand stories. Most of them were
Speaker 3: from childhood. A lot of them were alien type stuff.
Speaker 3: Do you have anything that's happened since then?
Speaker 2: No? And I had to laugh because you sent me
Speaker 2: that email with all the bullet points of what I
Speaker 2: had talked about.
Speaker 1: Those were.
Speaker 2: I thought, that's a lot. I really I went overboard.
Speaker 1: No you didn't.
Speaker 3: People tell me all the time that they want you
Speaker 3: back and how much they love your episode. People loved
Speaker 3: your episode so much, and I'm always like, I don't
Speaker 3: want to bother Cocoa Peru because, first of all, she's
Speaker 3: the star of a Netflix TV show right now. She's
Speaker 3: very busy. She travels around the world. She's currently in
Speaker 3: Spain right now. So thank you for taking the time.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm happy to be here. I love talking
Speaker 2: about this kind of stuff because I really get I
Speaker 2: rarely get to talk about it with people who aren't
Speaker 2: looking at you like mm hm. You know, it's still
Speaker 2: hard for me to talk about it. But that's why
Speaker 2: I loved that museum so much, truly, it felt so.
Speaker 2: And also since we've spoken, the actual government has come
Speaker 2: forward saying, Okay, we acknowledge that this is happening and
Speaker 2: it exists. So it just that I've always known they
Speaker 2: exist since my childhood. And you keep saying that you're
Speaker 2: crazy or you must have false memories. But I mean
Speaker 2: I even went to a therapist once and this these
Speaker 2: memories came up, and he tried to persuade me to
Speaker 2: think that, you know, I had somehow been molested and
Speaker 2: that's what this was really about, you know.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I have heard that where people will say, no,
Speaker 3: you weren't abducted, you were just disconnecting, you know, trying
Speaker 3: to block out trauma or you know whatever.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I hear a lot of stories
Speaker 1: that convinced me otherwise I.
Speaker 2: Can talk about trauma. I remember trauma, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. That's why it's like I don't I don't
Speaker 2: believe that.
Speaker 3: Okay, Wait a second, I have a story that I
Speaker 3: was wondering if you had ever heard about. I did
Speaker 3: a little bit of research here about a famous UFO
Speaker 3: story in Zimbabwe. Do you have about this one with
Speaker 3: the students?
Speaker 2: I do because I watched that documentary The Phenomenon, and
Speaker 2: it's thought of that. Yeah. I actually wrote to the
Speaker 2: filmmaker like as he was making the I was waiting
Speaker 2: for it to come out, and I kept writing him
Speaker 2: saying when is this coming out? And he actually took
Speaker 2: the time to answer me, which I thought was so sweet.
Speaker 2: So when it finally came out, I bought it for
Speaker 2: twenty dollars all right stream it. I was obsessed.
Speaker 3: And that's why are you talking about the new There's
Speaker 3: a new documentary called The Aerial Phenomenon.
Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about The Phenomenon, which has a section
Speaker 2: of that yes story within it. Now, there's a new
Speaker 2: documentary which I haven't watched yet, but.
Speaker 3: I will, the one that's just about this case. But
Speaker 3: it was my favorite part of The Phenomenon, which you
Speaker 3: can now watch on Discovery plus It.
Speaker 1: Okay, well let's talk about it.
Speaker 3: And for anyone that doesn't know that's listening to this,
Speaker 3: well we'll educate you a bit based on what I've researched.
Speaker 3: It's known as the rua Ufo incident at the Aerial
Speaker 3: School and this was in nineteen ninety four September of
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four and over the days that were leading
Speaker 3: up to the event in Southern Africa, there was a
Speaker 3: glowing ball of fire that was seen passing through the sky,
Speaker 3: which was later debunked.
Speaker 1: It was actually confirmed that it was a rocket. But
Speaker 1: there were other people.
Speaker 3: There was a young boy that apparently saw something, and
Speaker 3: there was a trucker that saw what he believed to
Speaker 3: be alien beings that were on the road. And so
Speaker 3: the main thing that we're talking about here was there
Speaker 3: were sixty two students at this private school that were
Speaker 3: between the age of six and twelve that saw some
Speaker 3: shit at ten am on their recess.
Speaker 1: And the thing is, when there's like a bunch of kids, as.
Speaker 3: You can imagine, they've got different they all have different
Speaker 3: stories or you know, all it appeared different or they
Speaker 3: there's a lot going on there. But basically they said
Speaker 3: that they saw multiple silver, oval shaped crafts of some
Speaker 3: sort with colored lights on them flying around and then
Speaker 3: they land well at least one of them landed right
Speaker 3: beyond their playground right and they saw multiple humanoid creatures
Speaker 3: that were standing next to the craft that they described
Speaker 3: having big black eyes and a black suit or like,
Speaker 3: you know, some kind of which I'm glad. You know,
Speaker 3: these aliens like to let it all hang out. So
Speaker 3: I was happy to hear that they had on a suit.
Speaker 3: You don't always hear that they have on clothes. Whenever
Speaker 3: you've had alien experiences, do you believe that they were
Speaker 3: naked or did they have clothes on?
Speaker 2: I have no memory of encountering aliens, so I wouldn't
Speaker 2: know what they were wearing. I think I have encountered aliens,
Speaker 2: but I don't. I don't have any you know, memory
Speaker 2: of it. I just know that a chunk of time.
Speaker 1: Missing, they're probably naked, Let's be honest.
Speaker 2: Well, I hope.
Speaker 3: So I'm trying to give me an alien husband to
Speaker 3: take me away. So they said that these ones had
Speaker 3: long torsos with little legs. She said that they were
Speaker 3: standing about one meter away from them. And there's so
Speaker 3: in that documentary, there's those really cute videos of the
Speaker 3: little kids and they have their little accents and they're
Speaker 3: talking about what they saw. And if you go to
Speaker 3: YouTube now there's actually the videos of them being interviewed
Speaker 3: and there's drawings that they did of what they saw,
Speaker 3: and it's so cute.
Speaker 2: But it's very it's very compelling. And yes, it's kind
Speaker 2: of I'm not even say kind of, it's beautiful. The
Speaker 2: children are so sincere in what they saw, and then
Speaker 2: they interview them now as adults and their stories stay
Speaker 2: the same, and there's just something about you know, when
Speaker 2: you meet people that have had an experience, and you
Speaker 2: know you've had your experience, they say in such a
Speaker 2: way where you realize, oh, they're telling the truth right.
Speaker 2: And to me, these kids, both as the children when
Speaker 2: they were first interviewed and later are clearly for me
Speaker 2: telling the truth about what they saw. And what was
Speaker 2: the most beautiful for me as an adult, and what
Speaker 2: really resonated with me was what the aliens were telling them,
Speaker 2: and that was, you know, these kids were being like
Speaker 2: they were transmitting these images to these children, and the
Speaker 2: images were the destruction of our planet.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's probably the most important part of this. That
Speaker 3: and the only people that have told stories like this,
Speaker 3: like it seems that these extraterrestrials literally are like, hey,
Speaker 3: we can see you from up above and it's a
Speaker 3: mess down there. You need to get it together, especially
Speaker 3: these young children. You know, it seems like some of
Speaker 3: them were saying that they were under the impression or
Speaker 3: whatever that the aliens were telling them, You guys are young,
Speaker 3: you're the future. You're gonna be here for a long time,
Speaker 3: so you need to tell people to recycle and take
Speaker 3: care of the earth.
Speaker 1: I just it's a beautiful story.
Speaker 2: It is. And how it triggered me in a way
Speaker 2: about that is since I'm a little kid, I have
Speaker 2: been obsessed with litter. And my first job was cleaning
Speaker 2: my neighborhood. There was a time when I don't know
Speaker 2: if I talked about this on the last but I
Speaker 2: was driving with my mother and we had had a
Speaker 2: terrible storm that they call North Easters in the where
Speaker 2: I grew up, and we lived on a little island,
Speaker 2: and the tide had come up and when it receded,
Speaker 2: it left all this garbage behind and bushes on the
Speaker 2: streets and sidewalks. And my mother and I were driving
Speaker 2: and my mother said, look at how look at the mess.
Speaker 2: And I said, Mother, nature threw up on us. I
Speaker 2: was really little, And what are you talking about? I said,
Speaker 2: we made her sick and she threw up, and so yeah,
Speaker 2: then I was obsessed with That's why one of the
Speaker 2: live in Disney World, because it was clean and they
Speaker 2: took care of things, and I was always as a
Speaker 2: child wanting to take care of the water where we
Speaker 2: grew up. It was just an obsession of mine. So
Speaker 2: when I saw this documentary and these kids talking about it,
Speaker 2: I thought, wow, you know, ever since I was little,
Speaker 2: that has been something that has consumed me.
Speaker 1: Do you think that there is some kind of connection there?
Speaker 1: Do you think that?
Speaker 2: Yes? I do. And one of the gentlemen in the
Speaker 2: phenomenon that works for the government, where they were talking
Speaker 2: about how these crafts were hovering over nuclear sites where
Speaker 2: you know, these bombs are, and it was hovering over
Speaker 2: and it beamed down this red light and shut down
Speaker 2: the entire system and they had no control over it.
Speaker 2: And what he said was the impression that he was
Speaker 2: left was clearly this was an intelligence and they were saying,
Speaker 2: you're playing with matches and you're going to get burned.
Speaker 2: Be careful. And if as if these aliens were treated
Speaker 2: them like children, like you really don't have control. You
Speaker 2: think you do, but you know, so I hope that
Speaker 2: you know, there were days where I just want a
Speaker 2: big mass, you know, meteor to hit this earth and
Speaker 2: let some new creatures evolve and take over because I
Speaker 2: feel like we don't deserve this planet. I said that
Speaker 2: to my mother recently, and she goes, you're sick. I
Speaker 2: do have these fantasies, But I do think that that's
Speaker 2: tied into the alien experience is the taking care of
Speaker 2: the Earth. I feel like, whether or not there's some
Speaker 2: sort of alternate reality or alternate planes of existence, how
Speaker 2: we treat this earth is somehow affecting their reality.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: Or they're just like straight up, they can look at
Speaker 3: us and they're like like maybe it's like the Truman
Speaker 3: Show or something, and they're like, we love the show,
Speaker 3: but it's going to get canceled.
Speaker 1: You guys need to do something here.
Speaker 3: You know what is funny though, there's this article online
Speaker 3: I can't remember what the publication is, but they talked
Speaker 3: to They catch up with one of these girls.
Speaker 1: This was before the documentary.
Speaker 3: I think it was like twenty fourteen or something, and
Speaker 3: they interview her and she's sitting at a bar and
Speaker 3: she's talking about this experience as she's smoking a cigarette.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, we are humans.
Speaker 3: That's true, or are we? Okay, wait a second, let's
Speaker 3: get back to listen.
Speaker 2: Listen over there and has studio.
Speaker 3: Okay, So they reported that these kids, or that these
Speaker 3: alien beings were about the height of a grade six
Speaker 3: and they one of the things that they said they
Speaker 3: saw two little guys and one of them was running
Speaker 3: in slow motion across the ship, which is really crazy
Speaker 3: to think about. And it was one big ufo surrounded
Speaker 3: by smaller ones. Where it landed, the grass was burnt,
Speaker 3: So that's something. And though I should note that not
Speaker 3: every student at the school saw something, and it allegedly
Speaker 3: lasted about fifteen minutes, so I have some questions there.
Speaker 3: And also I feel like that would be me if,
Speaker 3: like that would be the one day that the string
Speaker 3: cheese that my mom packed me just didn't sit right
Speaker 3: at snack time and I'm sitting over here on a
Speaker 3: toilet during recess and then I.
Speaker 1: Come back and I'm like, hey, guys, what I miss.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, h.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: I can't believe there was I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't find an accurate number of how many students
Speaker 3: were at the school, but there was like definitely over
Speaker 3: a hundred that didn't see it, and none of the.
Speaker 1: Teachers said that they saw it.
Speaker 3: Though in that documentary they did interview a teacher who
Speaker 3: was like, I should have believed the kids, and I
Speaker 3: do now, and she apologized, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, a woman that was a UFO researcher named
Speaker 3: Cynthia Heine arrived at the scene the next day and
Speaker 3: she started interviewing the kids, and then media outlets started
Speaker 3: coming in, and there was this controversial psychiatrist from Harvard
Speaker 3: that was a Poltzer Prize winner and he interviewed the
Speaker 3: kids and that's when they really started to get into
Speaker 3: the telepathy that they because it was like the kids
Speaker 3: went into like a trance and looked into the big
Speaker 3: eyes of these beings and that's when they believe that
Speaker 3: the aliens told them telepathically about the.
Speaker 1: Planet and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And then yeah, there's a new documentary it's called Aerial
Speaker 3: Phenomenon by Randall Nickerson and I haven't seen it yet,
Speaker 3: but it is streaming on the website for that movie,
Speaker 3: I believe it's like twenty dollars to stream, but I
Speaker 3: really want to see it because it's all about this
Speaker 3: and this is maybe my favorite UFO story ever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just I find it comforting. I find you know,
Speaker 2: I love mysteries and all that stuff. But for me,
Speaker 2: it's just it just it just makes me go, Okay,
Speaker 2: I didn't imagine all of that. It was real. Can
Speaker 2: you hear the people talking in the background, Now, okay,
Speaker 2: that's all right.
Speaker 1: I think you're hearing voices.
Speaker 2: No, it's I'm telling you. My Spanish neighbors are very loud.
Speaker 1: No, I can't hear anything.
Speaker 3: I want to make sure that I get a chance
Speaker 3: to talk to you about this TV show that you're on,
Speaker 3: which I watched. It's really cute. Congratulations on doing this show.
Speaker 3: You're so perfect for it. And it's paranormal. I mean
Speaker 3: it literally has paranormal in the title.
Speaker 2: Yes, originally it didn't. It was called dead Endia and
Speaker 2: Hamish Steele, who wrote the graphic books that it's based on,
Speaker 2: I got to work with Netflix, and he was so
Speaker 2: nervous about bringing up the whole storyline about the hero
Speaker 2: of the show and the books is trans and they
Speaker 2: were all in you know that. They were like, no,
Speaker 2: that's why we want the show. So I think it
Speaker 2: was a wonderful why. But I think that his challenges
Speaker 2: were when they changed it to dead End Paranormal Park
Speaker 2: because they want to give the audience an idea of
Speaker 2: what they're going to see before they even see.
Speaker 3: It, so it's not like an adult cartoon or anything
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 1: I found it very cute and I.
Speaker 2: Will it's young adult really and it's I think seven
Speaker 2: and above. What's fascinating to me that the response has
Speaker 2: been because I've been pushing up on my fans, which
Speaker 2: are not children obviously there so I people my age
Speaker 2: watching it and being I can't wait for season two.
Speaker 2: I thought, well, they'll watch it as a favorite for me,
Speaker 2: but no, they're actually into it. And part of the response,
Speaker 2: and it's a response I had, was I thought I
Speaker 2: would enjoy it. It's cute, great, the whole transling was
Speaker 2: going to be empowering. But I watched it going, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I didn't have this going, and I grieved
Speaker 2: for myself that there was nothing back then and nothing
Speaker 2: for a very long time in my life. And so
Speaker 2: it hit me again of how important representation is for
Speaker 2: kids to see themselves. Is important.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it deals with paranormal stuff a little bit.
Speaker 3: I mean like an acute cartoony kind of way age
Speaker 3: appropriate way it's it is, but some.
Speaker 2: Of it's creepy Night of the letting kids but and
Speaker 2: the noises that they're making, it's and there's kind of
Speaker 2: jolting shots, and uh so they keep it. But I
Speaker 2: think I think kids are drawn to horror for sure.
Speaker 2: We used to have chiller in this hand with you know,
Speaker 2: this clay animated hand would come out with six fingers
Speaker 2: and oh I just I lost it.
Speaker 1: You lost what.
Speaker 2: You disappeared, but you can still hear me.
Speaker 1: And you're seeing was it the did the chiller hand
Speaker 1: turn me off?
Speaker 2: I think the chiller hand knocked something off, but I'm back.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so I've always loved horror, and I think
Speaker 2: queer people especially, we love horror for many reasons that
Speaker 2: we can talk about. But I think horror has and
Speaker 2: the queer community sort of have always gone hands, you know.
Speaker 1: I've also always felt a a lot of reasons.
Speaker 3: You know, of course, paranormal goes along with horror, but
Speaker 3: I think that there's there's certain reasons why I think
Speaker 3: the paranormal and queerness go hand in hand, and I
Speaker 3: think about it a lot. But I was recently thinking
Speaker 3: a lot about how aliens goes are so misunderstood and
Speaker 3: thought of as being terrifying and have been for so
Speaker 3: long and they've been demonized and villainized, and I wonder
Speaker 3: if there's a connection there as well, for some kind
Speaker 3: of fascination.
Speaker 2: The otherness of something. But also you know when you
Speaker 2: when the world is here, right, and everybody who identifies
Speaker 2: and fits into this world, and then there's people like
Speaker 2: you and I who go, I don't exactly fit in
Speaker 2: this world. Well, we start living outside these boundaries and
Speaker 2: we figure out ways to survive. And those monsters, you know,
Speaker 2: going with the werewolf and them them not fitting in
Speaker 2: and figuring out ways to survive. Uh, I think resonates
Speaker 2: with with people like us.
Speaker 1: Don't drag me into this. I am not some monster.
Speaker 2: Honey, you are well fear on out.
Speaker 1: Hey, let me do another thing with you. Can I
Speaker 1: play you some ghost voices?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes, all right, it's time for ev I'm.
Speaker 2: Hoping I'm helping one of them's Jackie b.
Speaker 3: Oh, she's still with us, actually still alive. Last time
Speaker 3: I checked.
Speaker 1: It's time for EVP.
Speaker 3: Or ev please, EVPs or ev police.
Speaker 1: We did this last time. So what I do. I
Speaker 1: go to YouTube.
Speaker 3: I look for Electronic Voice Phenomena or EVPs. These are
Speaker 3: voices that have been allegedly captured by Well, they've been
Speaker 3: captured by ghost hunters and they believe that they are
Speaker 3: ghosts speaking, and I'm going to play them for you,
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna have you tell me what you think
Speaker 3: you hear, and we're gonna guess what the ghost hunter
Speaker 3: believes they heard.
Speaker 1: This first one is from.
Speaker 3: Grim Ghost Tours and it's in Salt Lake City at
Speaker 3: the City and County Building in Old Town and it's creepy.
Speaker 3: I guess I'm just gonna hold my phone up hopefully
Speaker 3: this will work. Okay, there's obviously a lot of background noise,
Speaker 3: but there's a voice whispering above it.
Speaker 1: So let's try it.
Speaker 2: I hear you o Coco two thousand because I worked
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City once and they didn't pay me.
Speaker 2: But no, I don't hear anything.
Speaker 1: Is it the ghost of the promoter that owes you money.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's what it is. I owe Coco
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I really do hear it, so I think
Speaker 1: this is a zoom problem.
Speaker 2: But tell me what it is.
Speaker 1: Okay, let me just try it one more time.
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, I hear the whisper, but I can't
Speaker 2: make out what it is.
Speaker 3: Okay, well one of these is the correct answer. Is
Speaker 3: it A we owe you two thousand dollars?
Speaker 1: No, it's not that. Is it A she must leave?
Speaker 2: Is it B?
Speaker 3: Hey fix your cleave like you know when your cleavage
Speaker 3: is kind of like weird? Is it C, I don't
Speaker 3: believe you? Or D where's the beef? Okay, let me
Speaker 3: play it again.
Speaker 2: It's where's the beef?
Speaker 1: Is that what you call two thousand dollars? It is
Speaker 1: a she must leave?
Speaker 2: She must leave. Okay, now that we know that that's
Speaker 2: a shady ghost.
Speaker 1: She must leave.
Speaker 3: She's never getting her money from us. Okay, Hopefully this
Speaker 3: one will be more successful. This is from pist Ghost
Speaker 3: pissed Ghost. It is at the old Cemetery office in
Speaker 3: Mount olivet Cemetery in Nashville, Tennessee.
Speaker 1: What is it saying?
Speaker 2: Girl? I mean it's creepy, but I can't think it out.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, is it a call Reddit? Like maybe you
Speaker 3: got some gossip call reddit? Put it on reddit?
Speaker 2: Is it B?
Speaker 1: Come right in?
Speaker 2: Is it C? You ready? Or D?
Speaker 1: Try right aid like you know when CBS doesn't have it. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's come right in, come right in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, see I forgot that was one of the options.
Speaker 2: But that's what I heard. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's creepy.
Speaker 1: That is creepy.
Speaker 3: Also, I feel like I can hear like the mouth noises,
Speaker 3: like them right in, Like, I feel like I can
Speaker 3: hear that, which usually don't hear from a ghost.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's a horny ghost.
Speaker 1: The cemetery I told you?
Speaker 2: Did I tell you about the time I because you've
Speaker 2: been going to places that I wanted now, like actually doing.
Speaker 1: Your own as much as I can. I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a hotel I stayed in in Sacramento.
Speaker 2: Did I tell you this on the last show?
Speaker 1: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: Oh well, anyway, as soon as I well, it was
Speaker 2: an old building, so that is always a little but
Speaker 2: you know how you can walk into a place and
Speaker 2: you automatically feel like you're being looked at, or you
Speaker 2: just feel something. And so I said that, I said
Speaker 2: to me, it's.
Speaker 1: Turning a look though, So I can't help that. I'm
Speaker 1: just used to that.
Speaker 2: So I said to the person working there, I excuse me,
Speaker 2: is this place haunted? And she said, we're not supposed
Speaker 2: to say anything unless you ask. And and since you've asked, yes,
Speaker 2: it is haunted by two children. Had been a place
Speaker 2: where prostitutes would work, and they also lived there, and
Speaker 2: two of them had children, and they wanted two different rooms.
Speaker 2: So they said, one child will bounce the ball in
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, and the other one will
Speaker 2: pull the blanket off for you standing at the end
Speaker 2: of the bed. And then she said, would you like
Speaker 2: either of those rooms? Now? What would your answer? What
Speaker 2: would your answer be?
Speaker 1: Hell? No, I really no. I am not dealing with
Speaker 1: kids alive or dead.
Speaker 2: That I said no as well, but I'm surprised I
Speaker 2: would have assumed you being so intrigued by the after.
Speaker 3: No, That's where I draw the line is I will
Speaker 3: stay at a haunted hotel. I'm not sleeping in that
Speaker 3: room unless there's something in it for me, or if
Speaker 3: I'm with people that will stay up all night, whatever.
Speaker 3: But if I'm there to rest, hell no, I'm not
Speaker 3: dealing with Bobby Brady with his little ball bouncing everywhere.
Speaker 2: No way, I'm the same way. I can't.
Speaker 3: I do love that rule, though, like we won't tell
Speaker 3: you it's haunted and listen. But since you asked, that's
Speaker 3: so funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I stayed in another hotel they had the same rule.
Speaker 2: I don't remember where in Colorado. I asked if that
Speaker 2: hotel was haunted, and they said the same thing. We're
Speaker 2: not supposed to say anything, but since you asked, and
Speaker 2: that was haunted by.
Speaker 1: A minor another child.
Speaker 2: No, a minor, not a minor, but someone like who
Speaker 2: digs in the earth and collects. Oh, I guess got it,
Speaker 2: got it?
Speaker 1: Bold different kind of minor.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, with our last little bit of time we
Speaker 3: have together, Coco, I just want to rest it.
Speaker 2: I didn't tell any stories, but I guess because I
Speaker 2: told them all the first.
Speaker 1: Well you did.
Speaker 3: Listen, the floor is open. Do you got a good
Speaker 3: paranormal story that you haven't told us yet?
Speaker 2: I really don't. Really. I'm trying to think because I
Speaker 2: feel like I told them all, and I told you
Speaker 2: how I used to obsessively draw like what probably looked
Speaker 2: like hieroglyphics as a kid. Now, yes, I used to
Speaker 2: obsessively draw these little designs and lines like hieroglyphics. But
Speaker 2: I knew they weren't hieroglyphics, because I mean, I liked Egypt,
Speaker 2: but but to me it was I was writing. I
Speaker 2: knew it was connected to the alien experience. But but
Speaker 2: I was too young to know why. Only years later
Speaker 2: do you see these symbols that look like hieroglyphics in
Speaker 2: a weird way. But I used to obsessively draw these
Speaker 2: things little shapes.
Speaker 1: Or could it be a past life size?
Speaker 2: Maybe I have no idea, but to me, it was
Speaker 2: always related to that experience of missing time. I knew
Speaker 2: that I had something to do with the missing time
Speaker 2: that I had, but I couldn't put it together.
Speaker 1: M Maybe they taught you how to draw hieroglyphics in
Speaker 1: that time.
Speaker 2: And well, you've seen now as an adult, I've seen
Speaker 2: on you know now that we have an Internet when
Speaker 2: people have reported seeing stuff and then they remember it
Speaker 2: and they can draw it out and it looks so
Speaker 2: much like what I used to draw as a kid.
Speaker 1: Cool.
Speaker 2: It is cool. Anyway, that was my one little other story.
Speaker 3: Well, I was thinking that I could just kind of
Speaker 3: list a bunch of paranormal things and see if maybe
Speaker 3: something comes up. All right, what about okay, Well, sleep paralysis,
Speaker 3: which is, like, you know, it's one of these things
Speaker 3: that there are explanations for, but it goes into that
Speaker 3: murky area where you can also sometimes see full on
Speaker 3: demon looking creatures.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had anything like that happen.
Speaker 2: I've never heard anything like that happen, but I know
Speaker 2: people that have. And a very good friend of mine
Speaker 2: had that happen, and she said it was absolutely terrifying.
Speaker 1: It's so scary.
Speaker 2: And she said she said that there was it was
Speaker 2: a presence in the room with her. She could see
Speaker 2: the outline of it, and she just could not move.
Speaker 3: That's like back to the hotel thing. I'm not doing
Speaker 3: things where you're messing with my sleep. That to me
Speaker 3: is it's so vulnerable sleep and shower that should be
Speaker 3: off limits if you're a ghost or a demon or
Speaker 3: alien or any of it.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Actually, a listener named Vanessa sent me a story about
Speaker 3: sleep paralysis.
Speaker 1: Let me read it here. It's real quick.
Speaker 3: Vanessa writes, So, a while back, I believe I experienced
Speaker 3: my first run in with possible sleep paralysis. I am
Speaker 3: admittedly a side sleeper, which ps coco. That really seems
Speaker 3: to be People find that if you sleep on your
Speaker 3: side or your back, it happens more. Oh really, Yes,
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure if I rolled onto my back
Speaker 3: or not during the night, but usually I fall asleep
Speaker 3: on my side. Anyways, this night, I woke up to
Speaker 3: the distinct feeling of someone or something slowly pulling on
Speaker 3: my blanket.
Speaker 1: Half asleep.
Speaker 3: I thought nothing of it, thinking it was my fiance
Speaker 3: tugging on the sheets, until I realized he wasn't there
Speaker 3: that night.
Speaker 1: I was home alone.
Speaker 3: Then I felt something grabbing my foot and pulling me
Speaker 3: off the bed. Now panicked, I looked over and saw
Speaker 3: a dark, shadowy figure standing right next to my bed.
Speaker 3: I truly couldn't make out any discernible features, just this
Speaker 3: strange dark energy. I tried to scream, but nothing came out.
Speaker 3: I started flailing, and I think that action is what
Speaker 3: actually woke me up. I immediately sat up in bed,
Speaker 3: and I remember waking up in tears. I felt it
Speaker 3: felt way too real to just be a nightmare. I've
Speaker 3: never experienced anything like that before, and I haven't since
Speaker 3: I wrote that in It's Just One. It's just a weird,
Speaker 3: one off event that I truly hoped and never experience again.
Speaker 2: Horrifying, My god, so horrifying.
Speaker 1: It is so scary.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I's and that's exactly what my friend described, though
Speaker 2: maybe not she's been pulled off, but that dark energy
Speaker 2: and trying to scream. Her husband was lying next to her,
Speaker 2: but she couldn't get him to notice, and her eyes
Speaker 2: were open, so she was completely paralyzed looking around and
Speaker 2: all that she could move over her eyes terrifying.
Speaker 1: I hate that so much now.
Speaker 2: I did share with you the story about my sister
Speaker 2: seeing the alien standing next to her bed the last
Speaker 2: time we spoke.
Speaker 1: Remind me what that one was, so in the.
Speaker 2: Nineteen you'll remember. So in the nineteen I would say sixties,
Speaker 2: because I was probably two years old. My parents had
Speaker 2: taken me on a vacation they were taking out to California,
Speaker 2: so my sister was home alone with my brother, four
Speaker 2: much older, but they still lived at home. And my
Speaker 2: sister had just laid down to go to bed, and
Speaker 2: she rolled over onto her side, and standing up against
Speaker 2: her bed was what she described later as an alien.
Speaker 2: At the time, it was just called this greenish bluish man.
Speaker 2: And he had a big head, very short, so really
Speaker 2: only she could only see his head sort of leaning
Speaker 2: into the bed. But here's the really creepy part. And
Speaker 2: had large black eyes and the little mouth and the
Speaker 2: mouths started to get into an oh like this, and
Speaker 2: it kept getting bigger and bigger, and bigger and bigger,
Speaker 2: and then it started rocking its head like this, and
Speaker 2: she interpreted that as it's laughing at me, and she
Speaker 2: finally screamed and it scampered into the next room. My
Speaker 2: brother heard her screaming and ran up to the third
Speaker 2: floor because she was in the attic, and he said,
Speaker 2: you were dreaming. She said, I literally turned the light
Speaker 2: off and rolled over and this thing was next. I
Speaker 2: didn't I wasn't sleeping. And then two weeks later or so,
Speaker 2: when we came back, our neighbor Anne called and said, Helen,
Speaker 2: I have to talk to I saw something. I've been
Speaker 2: trying to put it out of my mind, but I can't.
Speaker 2: And my mother said, what's going on? She said, I
Speaker 2: have all these kids, you know, And I forgot the
Speaker 2: laundry out on the line. I went out late at
Speaker 2: night to take in the laundry and as I'm taking
Speaker 2: it down, I looked over and standing up against the
Speaker 2: fence in my backyard was this little greenish bluish man
Speaker 2: with these large black eyes who had this little mouth.
Speaker 2: And it just started getting bigger and it started rocking.
Speaker 2: And my mother is listening to this, knowing that my
Speaker 2: sister had experienced it. When did you see this? And
Speaker 2: it turned out they both saw it on the same night.
Speaker 2: And what always fascinated me was whenever they talked about it,
Speaker 2: because I asked Dan years later about this, and they
Speaker 2: would turn their head while talking about it when they
Speaker 2: got to the mouth, when they tried to describe what
Speaker 2: it was doing with its mouth, is when they would
Speaker 2: sort of really try to picture it, you know, And
Speaker 2: that little detail always up triggered, you know, creepy to me,
Speaker 2: that they'd be talking to you like this and then
Speaker 2: when they got to the mouth, it was over here.
Speaker 2: But it's just that visual of the head doing this.
Speaker 2: And you know, Jeff Plotnik stole that from me. I
Speaker 2: told him that story and he put in one of
Speaker 2: his weird videos years back. But yeah, so, and I
Speaker 2: told you on the last thing that when I read
Speaker 2: Whitney Striver's book years later and not in the nineties
Speaker 2: when it came out, maybe nineteen ninety, I don't remember
Speaker 2: when it came out, but that was the first time
Speaker 2: I read something exactly what my sister described. It was
Speaker 2: the first time I ever heard of outside of my family.
Speaker 2: He describes something similar with the mouth, and what is that?
Speaker 1: Are they literally laughing at people?
Speaker 2: Or I don't think they're laughing. I don't know what
Speaker 2: that is. Who knows? But apparently there were there's you know,
Speaker 2: you grow I grew up when I got to see
Speaker 2: close and Kata's third behind that white, gray alien, you know,
Speaker 2: but apparently there were other kinds, and he described in
Speaker 2: his book the gray alien, but also this sort of
Speaker 2: bluish greenish one that is maybe more of a worker.
Speaker 2: And anyway, I just found that. I know I told
Speaker 2: this to you because you had it in your list
Speaker 2: of bullets. That years later, my niece was living in
Speaker 2: that same room and she would wake up crying that
Speaker 2: the smiling man was standing next to her bed.
Speaker 3: I feel like I remember that detail. I don't remember
Speaker 3: this first detail.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I wouldn't have told you that detail that
Speaker 2: I hadn't told you the other one. But since I'm
Speaker 2: actually seeing you, I wanted to do the head rocking
Speaker 2: exactly because I find it so creepy. And my sister
Speaker 2: to this day knows that that happened to her, and
Speaker 2: she is not a horror paranoid person, you know, She's
Speaker 2: not into it, never was.
Speaker 3: Do you think that aliens are from another planet or
Speaker 3: where do you think they live?
Speaker 2: Well, years I always thought, yeah, they live in some
Speaker 2: other galaxy. But years ago I had this feeling that
Speaker 2: they were us traveling back in time, skipping back through time,
Speaker 2: and that everything exists all at once maybe, and that
Speaker 2: they're they're traveling back in time to make sure that
Speaker 2: we don't screw up things. And who knows, but I
Speaker 2: had that that idea, and and and then one of
Speaker 2: the symbols I used to draw as a kid was
Speaker 2: like sort of a triangle going this way and another
Speaker 2: one coming to me it this way, and then I
Speaker 2: would draw this dot in the middle and for some reason,
Speaker 2: this side was us and side was them. Isn't that weird?
Speaker 1: Hmm?
Speaker 2: And whatever that middle part was where it's all. I
Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but that, to me is
Speaker 2: a memory as a kid that when I drew this symbol,
Speaker 2: this was us and that's them. That strange.
Speaker 1: I've never seen the TV show This Is Us? But
Speaker 1: is that what it's about.
Speaker 2: I've never watched it either. Now I'll have to check
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 3: Wait, So that is an interesting theory that they're like
Speaker 3: that that's what we turn into, or that little dot
Speaker 3: that you drew. Is that some kind of machine we
Speaker 3: go through and we turn into them?
Speaker 2: Or well, how is that the big bang moment and
Speaker 2: we came out this side of the universe and they
Speaker 2: came out that side of the union.
Speaker 1: I don't know, but do you want to Sorry, go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just saying again, as you know, these were not These
Speaker 2: were not things that I was doing an adult to create.
Speaker 2: These were drawings that I made as a kid, and
Speaker 2: in my childish mind it didn't make sense. But I
Speaker 2: can recall feeling like this side of them and that
Speaker 2: side of them, and to me, that's that's an eerie
Speaker 2: detail to remember.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
Speaker 2: All I hope is that I witness it again in
Speaker 2: my lifetime, and I would love to be alive when
Speaker 2: they finally make contact because I want answers. I've suffered
Speaker 2: in a weird way with this. It's bad enough being
Speaker 2: a gay kid, but a gay kid that has something
Speaker 2: strange happened to them, and then you're made to believe
Speaker 2: that it didn't happen, or you're made fun of when
Speaker 2: you try to share it with people. That's doubly traumatizing.
Speaker 2: So I would like answers.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I get that, but it's so fun
Speaker 3: to just get little peaks into what it could be,
Speaker 3: you know, because that it's just like, oh yeah, Larry,
Speaker 3: my neighbor, the alien Like it's like that's no longer
Speaker 3: fun for me if they're just they're just.
Speaker 2: Like, well, I guess that's true. Like part of even
Speaker 2: if you believe in any kind of religious experience or
Speaker 2: religious it's like it's meant to be a mystery, and
Speaker 2: that's the joy really is getting to live in a
Speaker 2: mystery rather than knowing everything. And so mysteries can be fun. Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: they most religions have said this is this is it,
Speaker 2: and this is what you have to you know, and
Speaker 2: that's not really what provokes imagination and creativity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, well, r.
Speaker 2: Us, did I bring you down?
Speaker 3: Just extreme as right now? I'm they're on my last
Speaker 3: nerve me too, and I think.
Speaker 2: Bringing it back to dead End Paranormal Park.
Speaker 1: Now on Netflix.
Speaker 2: I'm available now Netflix. I do believe that's why it's
Speaker 2: important for not only kids to watch the show, but
Speaker 2: any LGBTQ plus people, their allies, they tune into the
Speaker 2: show just to let Netflix know these are the shows
Speaker 2: we want on television. For us and for our children.
Speaker 2: We want our children to be raised in a community
Speaker 2: of diversity. That nature is diverse and so and so
Speaker 2: we as a species are diversed, and we should be
Speaker 2: celebrating that and embracing it, because that's when the magic happens,
Speaker 2: is when you know, and you and I rous we've
Speaker 2: experienced that kind of magic in our own mind. And
Speaker 2: when you experience that, you want other people to share
Speaker 2: that with you. Otherwise, why why go on? It's that mad,
Speaker 2: you know, and so that I think that's one of
Speaker 2: the roles of LGBTQ people is to share with others
Speaker 2: that sort of magic of stepping outside.
Speaker 1: This little box.
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for sharing your magic with me all
Speaker 3: the way from Athana. We have to wrap it up, Coco,
Speaker 3: but I appreciate you. Well, yeah, I mean, as I've
Speaker 3: said before, you're literally you're.
Speaker 1: One of the best.
Speaker 3: I never know the right word monologists, monologuists, you're the best.
Speaker 3: You're a storyteller, bullshit artist, my mother would say. And
Speaker 3: I could listen to your stories for hours and hours,
Speaker 3: and I hope to talk to you again on this
Speaker 3: podcast sometime, But in the meantime, can you tell everyone
Speaker 3: where to find you and all the stuff you want
Speaker 3: to know.
Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram, and I'm on Twitter and all the
Speaker 2: other social stuff, but and then my website cococo dot
Speaker 2: com and really ask you to please watch Dead End
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Speaker 3: I love you all, both living and dead.
Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't
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