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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it's dead it's coming this way.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute. Hey, I'm sad.

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Speaker 3: I los Ma says, Hey boo, it's me Raz. I'm

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Speaker 3: joined again by an absolute icon of the drag world

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Speaker 3: and a friend of mine named Coco Peru, also known

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Speaker 3: as Clinton Loop and Coco. You may know from so

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Speaker 3: many appearances in movies and TV shows. I mean, Will

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Speaker 3: and Gray's Dead End Paranormal Park, which is a new

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Speaker 1: And Coco is I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, she has an iconic voice, and so she lends

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Speaker 3: it to the show and I got to talk to

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Speaker 3: her out of drag, which is very very rare. There

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Speaker 3: is a video of it on YouTube and that'll be

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Speaker 3: linked in the show notes. And she's one of the

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Speaker 3: most requested guests to come back on the show. She

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Speaker 3: was actually on this show. I looked it up and

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Speaker 3: it was two years ago, almost to the date. It

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Speaker 3: not really sure, but either way, the audio's fine. She

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Speaker 3: has so many stories, not just ghost stories, a lot

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Speaker 1: Really delivered.

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Speaker 3: And it's a two part episode and I recommend if

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Speaker 1: They're so good.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, So she's in Spain right now and we hopped

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Speaker 3: on Zoom and we had this conversation, so I hope

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Speaker 3: you enjoy. And as always Patreon, I've got bonus episodes

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Speaker 3: on my second tier, and I just did one of Delaware.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm doing all the states and going through

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Speaker 3: the paranormal phenomena of each state, and so Delaware that

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Speaker 3: this conversation with Clinton Loop aka Coco Peru on with

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Speaker 3: the show. Oh my God, I am joined once again

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Speaker 3: by Coco Peru Hello.

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Speaker 2: Also known as Clinton Loop, and this I believe this

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Speaker 2: is the first interview I'm doing out of Troy because

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Speaker 2: I just don't give a and my curse.

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Speaker 1: Usually not, but I don't give up.

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Speaker 2: I don't give up anymore.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm so honored because you also told me

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Speaker 3: the first time you had talked about your paranormal experiences.

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Speaker 1: So what is it about me that I keep.

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Speaker 3: Getting all of these exclusives from Coco Peru. I'm honored.

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Speaker 2: I guess you have powers. Ross. What can I say?

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Speaker 2: I do?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know you do.

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Speaker 2: Okay. So since the last time we spoke, I think

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Speaker 2: I went to Roswell because, you know, during the pandemic

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Speaker 2: please go to Roswell for one day? So we drove

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Speaker 3: My god, the city of Roswell owes you so much

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Speaker 2: Right now, Well, let me tell you it was a

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, my full name is Roswell Hernandez.

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Speaker 2: No? And I had to laugh because you sent me

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Speaker 3: People tell me all the time that they want you

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Speaker 3: want to bother Cocoa Peru because, first of all, she's

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm happy to be here. I love talking

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Speaker 2: And also since we've spoken, the actual government has come

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Speaker 2: it exists. So it just that I've always known they

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I have heard that where people will say, no,

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. I hear a lot of stories

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Speaker 2: Can talk about trauma. I remember trauma, you know what

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Speaker 3: Okay, Wait a second, I have a story that I

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Speaker 3: was wondering if you had ever heard about. I did

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Speaker 2: I do because I watched that documentary The Phenomenon, and

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Speaker 3: And that's why are you talking about the new There's

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Speaker 2: Now I'm talking about The Phenomenon, which has a section

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Speaker 1: Okay, well let's talk about it.

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Speaker 3: And for anyone that doesn't know that's listening to this,

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Speaker 3: It's known as the rua Ufo incident at the Aerial

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Speaker 3: There was a young boy that apparently saw something, and

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Speaker 3: So I'm trying to give me an alien husband to

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Speaker 3: Or they're just like straight up, they can look at

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Speaker 3: You know what is funny though, there's this article online

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Speaker 3: Okay, So they reported that these kids, or that these

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Speaker 3: I can't find an accurate number of how many students

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just I find it comforting. I find you know,

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Speaker 3: I want to make sure that I get a chance

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it deals with paranormal stuff a little bit.

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Speaker 2: You disappeared, but you can still hear me.

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Speaker 1: And you're seeing was it the did the chiller hand

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Speaker 2: The otherness of something. But also you know when you

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Speaker 1: Don't drag me into this. I am not some monster.

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Speaker 2: Honey, you are well fear on out.

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Speaker 1: Hey, let me do another thing with you. Can I

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Speaker 1: play you some ghost voices?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, it's time for ev I'm.

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Speaker 2: Hoping I'm helping one of them's Jackie b.

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Speaker 3: Oh, she's still with us, actually still alive. Last time

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Speaker 1: It's time for EVP.

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Speaker 3: Or ev please, EVPs or ev police.

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Speaker 1: We did this last time. So what I do. I

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Speaker 3: captured by ghost hunters and they believe that they are

443
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,399
Speaker 3: ghosts speaking, and I'm going to play them for you,

444
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: and I'm gonna have you tell me what you think

445
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: you hear, and we're gonna guess what the ghost hunter

446
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 3: believes they heard.

447
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: This first one is from.

448
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,800
Speaker 3: Grim Ghost Tours and it's in Salt Lake City at

449
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 3: the City and County Building in Old Town and it's creepy.

450
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,439
Speaker 3: I guess I'm just gonna hold my phone up hopefully

451
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:45,640
Speaker 3: this will work. Okay, there's obviously a lot of background noise,

452
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 3: but there's a voice whispering above it.

453
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: So let's try it.

454
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: I hear you o Coco two thousand because I worked

455
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: in Salt Lake City once and they didn't pay me.

456
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: But no, I don't hear anything.

457
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Is it the ghost of the promoter that owes you money.

458
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that's what it is. I owe Coco

459
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: two thousand dollars.

460
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, I really do hear it, so I think

461
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: this is a zoom problem.

462
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: But tell me what it is.

463
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: Okay, let me just try it one more time.

464
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: It's like, Okay, I hear the whisper, but I can't

465
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: make out what it is.

466
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 3: Okay, well one of these is the correct answer. Is

467
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 3: it A we owe you two thousand dollars?

468
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: No, it's not that. Is it A she must leave?

469
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: Is it B?

470
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: Hey fix your cleave like you know when your cleavage

471
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: is kind of like weird? Is it C, I don't

472
00:28:53,960 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 3: believe you? Or D where's the beef? Okay, let me

473
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: play it again.

474
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: It's where's the beef?

475
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: Is that what you call two thousand dollars? It is

476
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 1: a she must leave?

477
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 2: She must leave. Okay, now that we know that that's

478
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 2: a shady ghost.

479
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: She must leave.

480
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 3: She's never getting her money from us. Okay, Hopefully this

481
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: one will be more successful. This is from pist Ghost

482
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 3: pissed Ghost. It is at the old Cemetery office in

483
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: Mount olivet Cemetery in Nashville, Tennessee.

484
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: What is it saying?

485
00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 2: Girl? I mean it's creepy, but I can't think it out.

486
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, is it a call Reddit? Like maybe you

487
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: got some gossip call reddit? Put it on reddit?

488
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 2: Is it B?

489
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: Come right in?

490
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,280
Speaker 2: Is it C? You ready? Or D?

491
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 1: Try right aid like you know when CBS doesn't have it. Okay,

492
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: let's come right in, come right in.

493
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, see I forgot that was one of the options.

494
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: But that's what I heard. Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's creepy.

495
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: That is creepy.

496
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: Also, I feel like I can hear like the mouth noises,

497
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: like them right in, Like, I feel like I can

498
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: hear that, which usually don't hear from a ghost.

499
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, it's a horny ghost.

500
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: The cemetery I told you?

501
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 2: Did I tell you about the time I because you've

502
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 2: been going to places that I wanted now, like actually doing.

503
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: Your own as much as I can. I love it.

504
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a hotel I stayed in in Sacramento.

505
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: Did I tell you this on the last show?

506
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

507
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 2: Oh well, anyway, as soon as I well, it was

508
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: an old building, so that is always a little but

509
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: you know how you can walk into a place and

510
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 2: you automatically feel like you're being looked at, or you

511
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: just feel something. And so I said that, I said

512
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 2: to me, it's.

513
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: Turning a look though, So I can't help that. I'm

514
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: just used to that.

515
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 2: So I said to the person working there, I excuse me,

516
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: is this place haunted? And she said, we're not supposed

517
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 2: to say anything unless you ask. And and since you've asked, yes,

518
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 2: it is haunted by two children. Had been a place

519
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: where prostitutes would work, and they also lived there, and

520
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: two of them had children, and they wanted two different rooms.

521
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: So they said, one child will bounce the ball in

522
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 2: the middle of the night, and the other one will

523
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 2: pull the blanket off for you standing at the end

524
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 2: of the bed. And then she said, would you like

525
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: either of those rooms? Now? What would your answer? What

526
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 2: would your answer be?

527
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:31,800
Speaker 1: Hell? No, I really no. I am not dealing with

528
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: kids alive or dead.

529
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: That I said no as well, but I'm surprised I

530
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,280
Speaker 2: would have assumed you being so intrigued by the after.

531
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: No, That's where I draw the line is I will

532
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 3: stay at a haunted hotel. I'm not sleeping in that

533
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 3: room unless there's something in it for me, or if

534
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 3: I'm with people that will stay up all night, whatever.

535
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: But if I'm there to rest, hell no, I'm not

536
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: dealing with Bobby Brady with his little ball bouncing everywhere.

537
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 2: No way, I'm the same way. I can't.

538
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 3: I do love that rule, though, like we won't tell

539
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 3: you it's haunted and listen. But since you asked, that's

540
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 3: so funny.

541
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I stayed in another hotel they had the same rule.

542
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 2: I don't remember where in Colorado. I asked if that

543
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 2: hotel was haunted, and they said the same thing. We're

544
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: not supposed to say anything, but since you asked, and

545
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: that was haunted by.

546
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: A minor another child.

547
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 2: No, a minor, not a minor, but someone like who

548
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 2: digs in the earth and collects. Oh, I guess got it,

549
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: got it?

550
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: Bold different kind of minor.

551
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, with our last little bit of time we

552
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: have together, Coco, I just want to rest it.

553
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 2: I didn't tell any stories, but I guess because I

554
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: told them all the first.

555
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 1: Well you did.

556
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: Listen, the floor is open. Do you got a good

557
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 3: paranormal story that you haven't told us yet?

558
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 2: I really don't. Really. I'm trying to think because I

559
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 2: feel like I told them all, and I told you

560
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 2: how I used to obsessively draw like what probably looked

561
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 2: like hieroglyphics as a kid. Now, yes, I used to

562
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 2: obsessively draw these little designs and lines like hieroglyphics. But

563
00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 2: I knew they weren't hieroglyphics, because I mean, I liked Egypt,

564
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: but but to me it was I was writing. I

565
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: knew it was connected to the alien experience. But but

566
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 2: I was too young to know why. Only years later

567
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: do you see these symbols that look like hieroglyphics in

568
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: a weird way. But I used to obsessively draw these

569
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 2: things little shapes.

570
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 1: Or could it be a past life size?

571
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 2: Maybe I have no idea, but to me, it was

572
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: always related to that experience of missing time. I knew

573
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: that I had something to do with the missing time

574
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: that I had, but I couldn't put it together.

575
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: M Maybe they taught you how to draw hieroglyphics in

576
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: that time.

577
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 2: And well, you've seen now as an adult, I've seen

578
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 2: on you know now that we have an Internet when

579
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 2: people have reported seeing stuff and then they remember it

580
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: and they can draw it out and it looks so

581
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: much like what I used to draw as a kid.

582
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: Cool.

583
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:31,280
Speaker 2: It is cool. Anyway, that was my one little other story.

584
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 3: Well, I was thinking that I could just kind of

585
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 3: list a bunch of paranormal things and see if maybe

586
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: something comes up. All right, what about okay, Well, sleep paralysis,

587
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 3: which is, like, you know, it's one of these things

588
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,120
Speaker 3: that there are explanations for, but it goes into that

589
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: murky area where you can also sometimes see full on

590
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: demon looking creatures.

591
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: Have you ever had anything like that happen.

592
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,800
Speaker 2: I've never heard anything like that happen, but I know

593
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: people that have. And a very good friend of mine

594
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 2: had that happen, and she said it was absolutely terrifying.

595
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: It's so scary.

596
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: And she said she said that there was it was

597
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: a presence in the room with her. She could see

598
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: the outline of it, and she just could not move.

599
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 3: That's like back to the hotel thing. I'm not doing

600
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: things where you're messing with my sleep. That to me

601
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,239
Speaker 3: is it's so vulnerable sleep and shower that should be

602
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: off limits if you're a ghost or a demon or

603
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 3: alien or any of it.

604
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: Yes.

605
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 3: Actually, a listener named Vanessa sent me a story about

606
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: sleep paralysis.

607
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: Let me read it here. It's real quick.

608
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: Vanessa writes, So, a while back, I believe I experienced

609
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 3: my first run in with possible sleep paralysis. I am

610
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 3: admittedly a side sleeper, which ps coco. That really seems

611
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: to be People find that if you sleep on your

612
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 3: side or your back, it happens more. Oh really, Yes,

613
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: So I'm not sure if I rolled onto my back

614
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 3: or not during the night, but usually I fall asleep

615
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 3: on my side. Anyways, this night, I woke up to

616
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: the distinct feeling of someone or something slowly pulling on

617
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 3: my blanket.

618
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: Half asleep.

619
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 3: I thought nothing of it, thinking it was my fiance

620
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: tugging on the sheets, until I realized he wasn't there

621
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:28,839
Speaker 3: that night.

622
00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: I was home alone.

623
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: Then I felt something grabbing my foot and pulling me

624
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 3: off the bed. Now panicked, I looked over and saw

625
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 3: a dark, shadowy figure standing right next to my bed.

626
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 3: I truly couldn't make out any discernible features, just this

627
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 3: strange dark energy. I tried to scream, but nothing came out.

628
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: I started flailing, and I think that action is what

629
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: actually woke me up. I immediately sat up in bed,

630
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: and I remember waking up in tears. I felt it

631
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 3: felt way too real to just be a nightmare. I've

632
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: never experienced anything like that before, and I haven't since

633
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,399
Speaker 3: I wrote that in It's Just One. It's just a weird,

634
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,720
Speaker 3: one off event that I truly hoped and never experience again.

635
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: Horrifying, My god, so horrifying.

636
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 1: It is so scary.

637
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I's and that's exactly what my friend described, though

638
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 2: maybe not she's been pulled off, but that dark energy

639
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 2: and trying to scream. Her husband was lying next to her,

640
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 2: but she couldn't get him to notice, and her eyes

641
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 2: were open, so she was completely paralyzed looking around and

642
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: all that she could move over her eyes terrifying.

643
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: I hate that so much now.

644
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 2: I did share with you the story about my sister

645
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: seeing the alien standing next to her bed the last

646
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 2: time we spoke.

647
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: Remind me what that one was, so in the.

648
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: Nineteen you'll remember. So in the nineteen I would say sixties,

649
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: because I was probably two years old. My parents had

650
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 2: taken me on a vacation they were taking out to California,

651
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: so my sister was home alone with my brother, four

652
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 2: much older, but they still lived at home. And my

653
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 2: sister had just laid down to go to bed, and

654
00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 2: she rolled over onto her side, and standing up against

655
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 2: her bed was what she described later as an alien.

656
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 2: At the time, it was just called this greenish bluish man.

657
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,479
Speaker 2: And he had a big head, very short, so really

658
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,840
Speaker 2: only she could only see his head sort of leaning

659
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: into the bed. But here's the really creepy part. And

660
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: had large black eyes and the little mouth and the

661
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 2: mouths started to get into an oh like this, and

662
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 2: it kept getting bigger and bigger, and bigger and bigger,

663
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: and then it started rocking its head like this, and

664
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: she interpreted that as it's laughing at me, and she

665
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: finally screamed and it scampered into the next room. My

666
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: brother heard her screaming and ran up to the third

667
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: floor because she was in the attic, and he said,

668
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: you were dreaming. She said, I literally turned the light

669
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Speaker 2: off and rolled over and this thing was next. I

670
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: didn't I wasn't sleeping. And then two weeks later or so,

671
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: when we came back, our neighbor Anne called and said, Helen,

672
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Speaker 2: I have to talk to I saw something. I've been

673
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: trying to put it out of my mind, but I can't.

674
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 2: And my mother said, what's going on? She said, I

675
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: have all these kids, you know, And I forgot the

676
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: laundry out on the line. I went out late at

677
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: night to take in the laundry and as I'm taking

678
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 2: it down, I looked over and standing up against the

679
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: fence in my backyard was this little greenish bluish man

680
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Speaker 2: with these large black eyes who had this little mouth.

681
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: And it just started getting bigger and it started rocking.

682
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Speaker 2: And my mother is listening to this, knowing that my

683
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: sister had experienced it. When did you see this? And

684
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: it turned out they both saw it on the same night.

685
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Speaker 2: And what always fascinated me was whenever they talked about it,

686
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: because I asked Dan years later about this, and they

687
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: would turn their head while talking about it when they

688
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: got to the mouth, when they tried to describe what

689
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,439
Speaker 2: it was doing with its mouth, is when they would

690
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 2: sort of really try to picture it, you know, And

691
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 2: that little detail always up triggered, you know, creepy to me,

692
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 2: that they'd be talking to you like this and then

693
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: when they got to the mouth, it was over here.

694
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Speaker 2: But it's just that visual of the head doing this.

695
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 2: And you know, Jeff Plotnik stole that from me. I

696
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 2: told him that story and he put in one of

697
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: his weird videos years back. But yeah, so, and I

698
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: told you on the last thing that when I read

699
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 2: Whitney Striver's book years later and not in the nineties

700
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,439
Speaker 2: when it came out, maybe nineteen ninety, I don't remember

701
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: when it came out, but that was the first time

702
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 2: I read something exactly what my sister described. It was

703
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: the first time I ever heard of outside of my family.

704
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 2: He describes something similar with the mouth, and what is that?

705
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Speaker 1: Are they literally laughing at people?

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Speaker 2: Or I don't think they're laughing. I don't know what

707
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 2: that is. Who knows? But apparently there were there's you know,

708
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,359
Speaker 2: you grow I grew up when I got to see

709
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 2: close and Kata's third behind that white, gray alien, you know,

710
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,800
Speaker 2: but apparently there were other kinds, and he described in

711
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 2: his book the gray alien, but also this sort of

712
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 2: bluish greenish one that is maybe more of a worker.

713
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: And anyway, I just found that. I know I told

714
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Speaker 2: this to you because you had it in your list

715
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,840
Speaker 2: of bullets. That years later, my niece was living in

716
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: that same room and she would wake up crying that

717
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,399
Speaker 2: the smiling man was standing next to her bed.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I remember that detail. I don't remember

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Speaker 3: this first detail.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I wouldn't have told you that detail that

721
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Speaker 2: I hadn't told you the other one. But since I'm

722
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: actually seeing you, I wanted to do the head rocking

723
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 2: exactly because I find it so creepy. And my sister

724
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 2: to this day knows that that happened to her, and

725
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: she is not a horror paranoid person, you know, She's

726
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 2: not into it, never was.

727
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Speaker 3: Do you think that aliens are from another planet or

728
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Speaker 3: where do you think they live?

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Speaker 2: Well, years I always thought, yeah, they live in some

730
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: other galaxy. But years ago I had this feeling that

731
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:29,439
Speaker 2: they were us traveling back in time, skipping back through time,

732
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 2: and that everything exists all at once maybe, and that

733
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 2: they're they're traveling back in time to make sure that

734
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Speaker 2: we don't screw up things. And who knows, but I

735
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: had that that idea, and and and then one of

736
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 2: the symbols I used to draw as a kid was

737
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: like sort of a triangle going this way and another

738
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: one coming to me it this way, and then I

739
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 2: would draw this dot in the middle and for some reason,

740
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: this side was us and side was them. Isn't that weird?

741
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:03,919
Speaker 1: Hmm?

742
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 2: And whatever that middle part was where it's all. I

743
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,800
Speaker 2: don't know what that is, but that, to me is

744
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 2: a memory as a kid that when I drew this symbol,

745
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:18,760
Speaker 2: this was us and that's them. That strange.

746
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: I've never seen the TV show This Is Us? But

747
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: is that what it's about.

748
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 2: I've never watched it either. Now I'll have to check

749
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Speaker 2: it out.

750
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Speaker 3: Wait, So that is an interesting theory that they're like

751
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 3: that that's what we turn into, or that little dot

752
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 3: that you drew. Is that some kind of machine we

753
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 3: go through and we turn into them?

754
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:43,279
Speaker 2: Or well, how is that the big bang moment and

755
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: we came out this side of the universe and they

756
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 2: came out that side of the union.

757
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, but do you want to Sorry, go ahead, I'm.

758
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: Just saying again, as you know, these were not These

759
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 2: were not things that I was doing an adult to create.

760
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 2: These were drawings that I made as a kid, and

761
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 2: in my childish mind it didn't make sense. But I

762
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: can recall feeling like this side of them and that

763
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,600
Speaker 2: side of them, and to me, that's that's an eerie

764
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: detail to remember.

765
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Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

766
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Speaker 2: All I hope is that I witness it again in

767
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: my lifetime, and I would love to be alive when

768
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 2: they finally make contact because I want answers. I've suffered

769
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 2: in a weird way with this. It's bad enough being

770
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 2: a gay kid, but a gay kid that has something

771
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: strange happened to them, and then you're made to believe

772
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: that it didn't happen, or you're made fun of when

773
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:57,439
Speaker 2: you try to share it with people. That's doubly traumatizing.

774
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: So I would like answers.

775
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, I get that, but it's so fun

776
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 3: to just get little peaks into what it could be,

777
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: you know, because that it's just like, oh yeah, Larry,

778
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 3: my neighbor, the alien Like it's like that's no longer

779
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 3: fun for me if they're just they're just.

780
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 2: Like, well, I guess that's true. Like part of even

781
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: if you believe in any kind of religious experience or

782
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 2: religious it's like it's meant to be a mystery, and

783
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: that's the joy really is getting to live in a

784
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 2: mystery rather than knowing everything. And so mysteries can be fun. Unfortunately,

785
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 2: they most religions have said this is this is it,

786
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: and this is what you have to you know, and

787
00:47:52,120 --> 00:47:56,400
Speaker 2: that's not really what provokes imagination and creativity.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, well, r.

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Speaker 2: Us, did I bring you down?

790
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 3: Just extreme as right now? I'm they're on my last

791
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: nerve me too, and I think.

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Speaker 2: Bringing it back to dead End Paranormal Park.

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Speaker 1: Now on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: I'm available now Netflix. I do believe that's why it's

795
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,440
Speaker 2: important for not only kids to watch the show, but

796
00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 2: any LGBTQ plus people, their allies, they tune into the

797
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 2: show just to let Netflix know these are the shows

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Speaker 2: we want on television. For us and for our children.

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Speaker 2: We want our children to be raised in a community

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Speaker 2: of diversity. That nature is diverse and so and so

801
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: we as a species are diversed, and we should be

802
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 2: celebrating that and embracing it, because that's when the magic happens,

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00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 2: is when you know, and you and I rous we've

804
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 2: experienced that kind of magic in our own mind. And

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00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:05,359
Speaker 2: when you experience that, you want other people to share

806
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 2: that with you. Otherwise, why why go on? It's that mad,

807
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 2: you know, and so that I think that's one of

808
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 2: the roles of LGBTQ people is to share with others

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00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: that sort of magic of stepping outside.

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Speaker 1: This little box.

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Speaker 3: Well, thank you for sharing your magic with me all

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Speaker 3: the way from Athana. We have to wrap it up, Coco,

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Speaker 3: but I appreciate you. Well, yeah, I mean, as I've

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Speaker 3: said before, you're literally you're.

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Speaker 1: One of the best.

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Speaker 3: I never know the right word monologists, monologuists, you're the best.

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Speaker 3: You're a storyteller, bullshit artist, my mother would say. And

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Speaker 3: I could listen to your stories for hours and hours,

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Speaker 3: and I hope to talk to you again on this

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Speaker 3: podcast sometime, But in the meantime, can you tell everyone

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Speaker 3: where to find you and all the stuff you want

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Speaker 3: to know.

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Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram, and I'm on Twitter and all the

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Speaker 2: other social stuff, but and then my website cococo dot

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Speaker 2: com and really ask you to please watch Dead End

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Speaker 2: Paranormal Park and support support it.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much to Coco Peru. Hey are you

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Speaker 3: dres false. There's a link in the description of this episode. Anyway,

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Speaker 3: I love you all, both living and dead.

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Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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Speaker 1: haunt me.

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Speaker 2: Hey, back stars.

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