WEBVTT - Top Model’s Toccara EXCLUSIVE 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.760 Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 0:00:07.080 --> 0:00:10.239 I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.520 favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.360 and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:23.040 Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:27.680 Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:31.680 addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 0:00:31.720 --> 0:00:32.920 scripted as well. 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:37.040 Rain drops. 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:40.080 On today's episode of Reality with the King, I am 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:43.479 reunited with one of my bestdies, our laugh inter We 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:46.519 broke the Internet and fuck the introduction. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:52.720 Yes, you are skinny. 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:53.680 Look at yob. 0:00:54.320 --> 0:00:59.680 You might to stand down, you might have show it off. Yeah, 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:05.920 but what you're doing I'm eating ring. 0:01:07.440 --> 0:01:10.960 That the simping, what it's like, the g l P 0:01:11.240 --> 0:01:13.280 one drug and something bit what you're doing. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:14.959 No, I promise you what you promise? 0:01:15.120 --> 0:01:18.440 I want to know tell us. 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:19.120 I promise you. 0:01:19.200 --> 0:01:20.280 I E clean. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:21.959 But you know that's about me. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:22.640 Yeah you do. 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:25.280 I'm gonna work out fanatic, I'm begging. I don't drink, 0:01:25.319 --> 0:01:26.040 I don't smoke. 0:01:26.319 --> 0:01:29.880 Right, you look damn fucking tastic. I mean, look who's talking. 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:33.440 Thank you baby, you look good. That wig is everything, 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:34.400 Thank you everything. 0:01:34.440 --> 0:01:38.440 She's a classic, she's ventage China. Yes, it's all the necklace. 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:39.399 You know, I wear my ship. 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.959 You know? Is that? You know? Because it's classic? You see? 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:52.880 Yes, how I said restorational because you didn't even help 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:55.800 me out restoration. 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:59.600 I wasn't even thinking at the time. But what's what's so. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:04.320 Funny out our friendship is the fact that our interview 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:05.200 was that last year. 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:06.800 I think it was last year. 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.760 I think it was last year broke the internet. People 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.840 were saying, Carlos is your best interview? 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:13.480 Oh? We were. 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:14.440 We were just talking. 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:17.120 We were we were just chip chatting everything. But I 0:02:17.160 --> 0:02:18.680 was thinking when I came over here, I was like, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:19.840 what what? 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:20.919 Why was I even on? 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:22.720 Carlos? 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:24.080 He set me up? 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.320 God, No, you didn't send me up. 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:30.680 Did you hear from some people after our interview? 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:32.760 Don't have me so much? 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.200 It was so fantastic and it went everywhere. The interview 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.560 went everywhere. A lot of people picked it up. 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:40.919 A lot of people pick up their phone and call 0:02:41.040 --> 0:02:41.800 you bag. 0:02:41.960 --> 0:02:44.640 Everything was good. I enjoyed being on the show. 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:46.280 Carlos, did anybody text you? 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:47.120 You know what I was about? 0:02:47.120 --> 0:02:52.519 To say, yeah, because your muscles. 0:02:52.080 --> 0:02:54.239 Were like popping, Like you still got a nice shape, 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:55.320 but you don't have. 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.320 That like do you miss that? 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:00.560 Amanda? 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:04.360 Wow? 0:03:05.000 --> 0:03:09.240 Hey, all right, okay, well look I'm we're laughing. 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:14.680 So rain drops obviously listened. 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.840 There's a lot going on in the world right now, 0:03:19.919 --> 0:03:26.880 but the America's Next Top Model documentary has completely broken 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:34.200 the internet. You are one of the few who have 0:03:34.760 --> 0:03:41.200 transcended from that franchise into creating your own brand and 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:42.520 your own celebrity. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:43.840 I would I would. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:51.200 Say you Eva, Yaga, Da Costa, Winnie Harlow, you know. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:53.760 Girls, you know the girl you know, I feel like you. 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:58.600 I feel like you four especially have definitely taken that 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.120 momentum and rent with them. But what is so fascinating 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:04.920 is with you. You didn't even win. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:06.640 No, I didn't even win. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:07.880 Were you even Top five? 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:09.119 No? 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:12.560 You were I was seven? Yeah, I was seven. I 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.240 made it halfway through. I made it halfway through. And 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:21.440 also I didn't even get selected. What do you mean, Oh, 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:23.200 I think we talked about it before, Like they didn't 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.760 even pick me to be on the show in the beginning. Right, 0:04:26.120 --> 0:04:28.680 had to go and reaudition because when I auditioned the 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.400 first time I didn't get selected, and I was like, oh, 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:32.880 somebody made a mistake. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.279 What's going on here? Like I need to see who's 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:37.920 in charge, right, So. 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.440 I think that is the unique thing about me that 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:43.479 they didn't pick me originally. 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.400 So I kind of bummed guard my way up on 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:46.919 in there. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.400 And then I didn't win the show. I only made 0:04:50.440 --> 0:04:53.160 it halfway through. But I was the fan favor because 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.000 back then this is when you called in, everybody was 0:04:55.000 --> 0:04:58.080 calling us. I was fan favored. And even though I'm 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.000 not the winner, I'm a winner. 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:01.640 Yeah, No, you are. 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:01.920 You are. 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.360 Listen, everybody loves the Kara you go by one name. 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:09.359 You're the only to car that we know. But what 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.200 I want to talk to you about, and we'll get 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.120 to the particulars of the documentary. One of the biggest 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:17.360 things that came out of it was each woman that 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:21.480 they featured talked about their experience. So before I get 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:24.080 into the details and get your thoughts on it, I 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:26.560 do want to just ask you, like, what was your 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.760 experience being on Top Model? 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.120 My experience being on the Top Model. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:39.359 Ooh, I was twenty nineteen, twenty years old. 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:41.200 I loved Tyra. 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.000 I had always wanted to be a model. I had 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.560 started modeling when I was fourteen years old. I was 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.919 going to the agencies fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen, so I 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:53.840 was already in that world. And then the only black 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:58.480 models that we knew were Tira, Naomi Aman, Beverly, you know, 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:00.320 And it was very hard. I didn't even know that 0:06:00.400 --> 0:06:03.080 plus size even existed, right there was. 0:06:03.240 --> 0:06:03.640 I couldn't. 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:05.760 I couldn't name you a plus size model. I couldn't 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:09.280 even I didn't even know the term. I don't even 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:13.360 even know who used the term. So seeing Tire or 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:16.760 seeing she's doing the reality show, knowing me I've already 0:06:16.800 --> 0:06:18.479 been modeled, I'm like, this is what I need. And 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:20.479 I was already going to New York. I was like, 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:22.240 oh yeah, and I want to be on TV. I 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.880 got a great personality, bring it on. That's why I 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:25.240 came in. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:27.960 I was like, I'm here. I'm here. I'm big, black, 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:33.040 beautiful and loving it right hundred in a buck? What right? So? 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:38.159 I mean for me and I come from Dayton, Ohio, Right, 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:40.520 I come from the projects, I come from the hood. 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:43.760 I come from poverty. Right, So. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:48.799 I've already experienced a lot. I've already seen a lot. 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:51.600 I've already dealt with a lot. I was e mascipated 0:06:51.600 --> 0:06:55.520 when I was sixteen fifteen, So for me, it was 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:57.880 like I wanted to do what we gotta do? You 0:06:57.880 --> 0:06:59.440 want me to cut my hair? You want me to 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:00.920 what do you want me to do? You wanna shave 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:02.400 my head ball? I tell him, like you shave my 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:04.800 head ball. I'm still gonna walk around here like what 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:09.279 you want me to do? Because I'm trying to make 0:07:09.320 --> 0:07:14.080 it out. I'm you know, I'm confident, but I will 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:18.840 say that it was a controlled environment, right, So we 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.920 were in a controlled environment. We were micd up all 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:31.240 the time, and and looking back as a mature, grown woman, 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.080 basically where we were like rats in the mice trap, 0:07:36.160 --> 0:07:37.640 you know what I'm saying, Like we were controlled on 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:39.920 which way we could go or not go, Like, yeah, 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.840 we had a decision to go right and left, but 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:44.880 if you in a certain way, there might be a roadblock. 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.280 You might have to turn around and go back the 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:46.720 other way. 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.640 You know what do you mean by that in terms 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.080 of like if you were you controlled and felt like 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.640 you were a mouse and a lab experiment is because 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.800 you obviously, well one. 0:08:01.440 --> 0:08:05.480 Insight one from like remembering an experience when I was 0:08:05.480 --> 0:08:07.920 doing it during that time. It's like in the beginning 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.720 of Top Model, the like like the first or Steven episode, 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:12.320 I think you see where they was like, well Eva 0:08:12.360 --> 0:08:14.360 and everyone has said something about Eva, and they did 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.360 a clip and you see all these girls go say 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.360 her name, Poper name out there. You didn't see me 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.600 say that, but the producers backstage, they were trying to 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:22.880 get you to say, like, well, what. 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:24.480 Do you think about Eva? What about Eva? 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.920 Like you know, they would, you know, get you, you know, 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.160 get you to say things, but it was up to 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:32.320 you to say it right. 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:34.360 You still had to say it. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:39.360 But they were very that was their job too, as 0:08:39.400 --> 0:08:41.480 we know now, so right, so being in that experience 0:08:41.520 --> 0:08:43.679 back then we didn't know, but that was one of 0:08:43.720 --> 0:08:45.920 the experiences where but looking back at it as a 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.760 grown woman like, oh yeah, that was a definitely control environment. 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:52.520 Like when they were not having clothes in my size, 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:54.600 they could definitely get closed in my size. 0:08:54.840 --> 0:08:56.160 I get dressed every day. 0:08:56.600 --> 0:08:59.000 I said it on the show, like I wanted to 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:04.720 first the ball slap that bitch who pinched me, and 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:05.480 I wanted to. 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:08.240 I wanted to, you know, but it's like, oh on 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:10.640 TV and. 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:19.760 Our fairness, you did you did not want to lose 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:24.480 the competition competition? Yeah, and and defend yourself the same 0:09:24.480 --> 0:09:29.920 way that Kenya was being. 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.520 And moaned on and all those things. Yeah, correct, yeah. 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.040 Yeah, could you didn't feel comfortable speaking out. 0:09:38.600 --> 0:09:38.840 Right? 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:42.400 Well, no, because you want to win and you're right, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:47.160 did it? You're in a competition and it and like 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:50.240 I said, it's control environment and looking back on it, right, 0:09:50.440 --> 0:09:52.680 like they I got eliminated because they said I didn't 0:09:52.720 --> 0:10:01.600 have any personality and. 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:06.959 What what's so interesting about the day you got for 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.560 real exhibit as real? 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:13.160 No? Yeah, and I remember the pickure they chose of 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.800 you with your with the hat on and stuff, the 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.600 back list photo and you're looking like this. 0:10:20.280 --> 0:10:23.120 But well that's another thing too. I always felt that. 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.080 That they don't think they always chose the best photos, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.160 Like I watched the DIG documentary and everything, but still 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:33.199 I'm like, I know those couldn't have been the best photos, 0:10:33.200 --> 0:10:35.440 but it was admitted in the documentary like later on, 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.800 but I'm in the beginning of I'm season cycle three. 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.520 Yeah, well, I want to go back to the EVA 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.720 thing because I remember watching the EVA season and Tyra 0:10:45.880 --> 0:10:48.800 and the panel did say we're hearing pretty much you're. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.080 Bitch, and like you said, they flashed back to that. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:56.160 In hindsight, do you think that the producers were setting 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.880 even Eva up to be the villain of that season 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.280 since they didn't ask you guys talk to us about 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.520 Eva talks to us by Eva was even really being 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.240 a bitch behind the scenes or was it or exaggerated? 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:15.679 Hmm, I'm gonna say it was fifty to fifty because 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:19.120 Eva does. She's a scorpio, she's feisty, she got her personality, 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:21.160 she's confident. You see how she walked up in that 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.720 room like she was given very much. Eva the diva, 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.880 but even it was a sweetheart to me. Eva was 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.360 a sweetheart to me. Eva said, my bed with me, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.200 helped me stitch up my dress. Eva shared with me, 0:11:35.360 --> 0:11:37.280 talk to me about her best friend and her mother 0:11:37.480 --> 0:11:42.280 like me. And Eva was very personable from the very beginning, 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.040 That's what I'm saying. So they couldn't get me to 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.920 say anything, but I couldn't, but I was. I did 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:50.320 witness them trying to, you know, make conversations, but us like, 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:55.240 that's that's not my story, right, And we heard the 0:11:55.320 --> 0:11:57.880 remarks even said about the girl who had to eat 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:59.199 in disorder and things like that. 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:00.600 So I'm gonna to say. 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.640 It was fifty to fifty when you when you look 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:08.160 at your experience during cycle three, were you ever put 0:12:08.320 --> 0:12:11.240 in a situation that made you feel uncomfortable? 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:23.080 I don't even know if I had set boundaries for that, 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:35.040 So my answer is no. But I think that's as 0:12:35.080 --> 0:12:39.520 a young girl just once again willing to be and 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:42.640 do what it is I think it takes to be 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:49.040 on top. Nah nah nah nah nah. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:50.439 Now let me so much. You're so serious. 0:12:50.440 --> 0:12:57.320 Okay, go ahead, mister journalist, ahead, let me, but I'm serious. Yeah, 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.440 but no, I don't think that I did like set 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:04.000 those type the boundaries like and I mean and of 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:08.080 course like we're grown now, so I've been behind the scenes, 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.800 worked with production. I know how production works now, right, 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:15.199 So that wasn't a thing for me. So looking at 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.360 it from that lens, and it's hard for me not 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:19.480 to have that LANs because you can't you only know 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.440 what you know, right, I can't take away the experiences 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.120 that I've gained, right, So I didn't know that then, 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.160 but the things that I know now, I can see 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:28.599 how the game was being played. 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:36.040 Right, Hence, obviously, when they couldn't find clothes in your side, 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.520 did you I want to go back to that moment 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:46.319 because you were the first plus size contestant on Top Model, 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:52.400 So did you feel that in that moment, like, obviously, 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:58.760 I'm confident, I'm Takara, and these other girls obviously look. 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:01.360 Different than me, but I don't care. I'm me. I'm confident. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:05.480 Did you feel like when that woman poked you, in 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:08.679 addition to them not finding clothes, they had to get 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.880 a reaction out of you because you weren't giving them 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:16.480 anything because you're not jealous of anybody, you don't care about. 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:19.720 You don't want to be skinny. So in hindsight, did 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.640 you feel like y'all really pushed me to the limits 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.240 because y'all needed to get a reaction out of me? 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:28.000 You know, I never thought about it like that, but 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.840 obviously yes, because every set that we went on, every 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.840 time we did a photo shoot, it was like I 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:36.800 was anticipating to see what they were going to pull 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:38.640 out for me, And this seemed like I was always 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:40.560 the last person that they were going to bring out 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.560 wardrobe for, so everyone's clothes were already up and on 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:45.520 the rag and it's like, are you going to even 0:14:45.520 --> 0:14:46.720 bring my clothes out? 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:47.120 You know? 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:52.520 And then everyone had options and this was basically like 0:14:52.760 --> 0:15:01.440 you're wearing this, like when we did the challenge at Lapearola. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:02.560 I'm so glad my. 0:15:02.440 --> 0:15:04.400 Memory is working for me. Thank your memory, because i'd 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:05.280 be forgetting everything. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:05.800 Thank you. 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.520 Yeah, I remember with that Laparola and like, I can't 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.320 fit Lapearola right, and my breasts you see these titties, right, 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:12.920 it's a big, beautiful bress that. 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:14.480 I make bras for myself now. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:18.160 But we did Lapearola, right, I can't fit their their undergarments, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:20.520 so I had to wear a robe. And I'm like, well, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.320 I mean the challenge was dumbe because we had to 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.320 like be like manne cains. I didn't really understand what 0:15:24.440 --> 0:15:26.920 was going on, but to the point of that. 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:27.600 I didn't have options. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.320 You gonna wear this robe, and if it's a medium 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.440 or smaller wetherside, you're gonna we won't even have your 0:15:32.600 --> 0:15:36.520 right size rope. This is what you're gonna wear and 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:39.280 take these thongs or pennies or whatever. Like there was 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:44.520 no fault, there was, you know, but I didn't see it. 0:15:44.560 --> 0:15:46.640 I mean, I've seen it, but it I was still 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:50.920 happy to be there, and I did have the confidence 0:15:51.040 --> 0:15:54.360 that I'm the big girl in the room. Y'all about 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:55.760 to get rid of me no time soon. I know, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.800 I got least happy y'll beat you know what I mean, 0:15:57.840 --> 0:15:59.640 Like I always knew that, Like I at least. 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:02.400 Got most of y'all. Bet y'all, y'all. It's not even 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:03.520 a competition. 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:09.520 Yet, period, Right, I'm not going anywhere, yeah, yeah, no. 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.320 But the thing about as I was watching the documentary, 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:18.400 obviously Tara created the show. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.000 She owns twenty five percent of it. 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:26.880 So I as a journalist, hey, Portia, I did my research. 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:29.520 Tara admitted to Howard. 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:32.880 Stern Howard Stern that she well, he right, he brought 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:33.160 it up. 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:34.960 He brought it up. He said, how much did you own? 0:16:35.040 --> 0:16:37.600 She won't saying, and he said, you owned about twenty 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:38.200 five percent, and. 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.880 She said, you know, you know, I'm not confirming it, though. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:49.720 So what what was your experience like with Tara Banks 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:53.200 during cycle three? 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.800 My experience, I mean, even to this day, I still 0:16:56.840 --> 0:16:58.880 remember the first time that I've seen her when she 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:02.600 came out, like I was so enthralled, like oh wow, 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:07.480 like she did not look real. You know, I've bangrowed out. 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.800 I was excited and during the show. I've always held 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:13.600 her in that regard and she always took up for me. 0:17:13.720 --> 0:17:16.320 Remember when Janni's was like, well then she needs to 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.600 lose one hundred pounds, She's like, she'll be thirty pounds. 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:22.000 She's like, you know, So it's like Tyra stood up 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:22.320 for me. 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:26.800 And but she always was the judge, so it wasn't 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:29.159 never well she did she said, she came into the 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:30.840 room and she listened to our stories. 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:32.440 You know. It is the episode where I cried and 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:33.639 I'm crying on her lap. 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:40.040 I mean, my experience with Tyra was was totally different 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.040 because I feel in those moments she was being personable 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.399 and that she did care. And a lot of a 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.280 lot of my story wasn't revealed far as like what 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.840 my parents and stuff was going through, you know, so 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.240 like I don't know if it just wasn't a big 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.000 enough story, but like a lot of my personal things weren't. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:04.000 Weren't you in a bad way towards me? You know? 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.000 But on the show, on season three, Tyre was the judge. 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:14.159 She was the main girl, and I've all you know, 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.200 I always just was fangirl and I never really looked 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:20.880 at her in a bad light during the season, or never. 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:25.400 Until this documentary. But I don't even mean it like that. 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:30.960 Like yeah no, But the thing is this when you. 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.879 One thing I know about you and and and I 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:39.400 said this for my Monday night live show. One thing 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:43.520 that I can see as a producer too, is I 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:48.119 thought it was on purpose that the directors did not 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:49.360 contact you. 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:52.920 Eva. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:56.159 When I first seen I said they did a documentary, I. 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:57.960 Said, oh, okay, I just knew even it was gonna be 0:18:58.000 --> 0:19:00.520 on it because I knew. I wasn't knowing as I'm like, okay, 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.560 let me see. And then I've seen the trailer and 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:04.680 I didn't see Eva. 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:06.920 Then I didn't see ya Yah. I'm like, okay, Yah, 0:19:07.000 --> 0:19:07.960 y'all is going to be on. 0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.960 It, right, So no, I'm not on it me even 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:12.920 in Yah Yeah, I said, oh okay, well I'm in 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:13.640 good company. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:18.320 Why do you think they on perfect because that's a choice. 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:19.760 Oh no, it's definitely a choice. 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.200 Do you think the reason why the directors then I 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:31.000 contact Eva Tokara, Yah y'all Nacosta three successful black women 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:37.320 whose career ballooned because of the show, and from my knowledge, 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:42.199 never publicly disparaged Tyra. Do you think the reason they 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.840 didn't contact you is because I feel like. 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:47.880 They didn't contact me because I didn't have a negative 0:19:48.160 --> 0:19:51.399 thing to say so because when I watched the documentary, 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.480 it's like, oh, or when I seen the clips or 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:55.240 the trailers and stuff, it was just like, Oh, that's 0:19:55.320 --> 0:19:58.000 not my story because they can't get that out of me. 0:19:58.080 --> 0:20:00.280 Once again, the producers they not going to be able 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.440 to get that out of me. I can't give you. 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:05.480 I only can give you the truth. I can only 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:06.240 give you the truth. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:11.000 This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.840 Let's get back into the show. And that's what I 0:20:15.920 --> 0:20:18.640 want our conversation to be. Because the thing is this. 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:24.360 I looked at the documentary. I am the biggest fan 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:27.800 of Top Model. I watch all the cycles, and who 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:31.359 I saw Tabary Banks be on that show was not 0:20:31.960 --> 0:20:36.240 what she was being talked about on the documentary, and 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:36.800 it was. 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:38.560 Hard for even me to watch. 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:40.919 But what I will say, and we'll get to the 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.919 rest later, but what I wanted to say when it 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:50.520 comes to you girls, you even ya ya not being contacted. 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.119 It felt like they definitely wanted this to be nothing 0:20:55.160 --> 0:20:59.160 but negative. And because I am a journalist, one thing 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:01.360 I know is you got to get both sides. 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:03.880 It has to be a balanced story. 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.920 Now, look, Tyra definitely didn't help herself out with the 0:21:06.960 --> 0:21:12.800 trench coat. Hey, you give a little bit of trick. 0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:16.760 You're not the mother. 0:21:18.240 --> 0:21:22.040