Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.
Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your
Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey
Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and
Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the
Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in
Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or
Speaker 1: scripted as well.
Speaker 2: Rain drops.
Speaker 3: On today's episode of Reality with the King, I am
Speaker 3: reunited with one of my bestdies, our laugh inter We
Speaker 3: broke the Internet and fuck the introduction.
Speaker 4: Yes, you are skinny.
Speaker 2: Look at yob.
Speaker 4: You might to stand down, you might have show it off. Yeah,
Speaker 4: but what you're doing I'm eating ring.
Speaker 3: That the simping, what it's like, the g l P
Speaker 3: one drug and something bit what you're doing.
Speaker 2: No, I promise you what you promise?
Speaker 4: I want to know tell us.
Speaker 2: I promise you.
Speaker 4: I E clean.
Speaker 2: But you know that's about me.
Speaker 4: Yeah you do.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna work out fanatic, I'm begging. I don't drink,
Speaker 3: I don't smoke.
Speaker 4: Right, you look damn fucking tastic. I mean, look who's talking.
Speaker 3: Thank you baby, you look good. That wig is everything,
Speaker 3: Thank you everything.
Speaker 5: She's a classic, she's ventage China. Yes, it's all the necklace.
Speaker 5: You know, I wear my ship.
Speaker 4: You know? Is that? You know? Because it's classic? You see?
Speaker 5: Yes, how I said restorational because you didn't even help
Speaker 5: me out restoration.
Speaker 2: I wasn't even thinking at the time. But what's what's so.
Speaker 3: Funny out our friendship is the fact that our interview
Speaker 3: was that last year.
Speaker 4: I think it was last year.
Speaker 3: I think it was last year broke the internet. People
Speaker 3: were saying, Carlos is your best interview?
Speaker 4: Oh? We were.
Speaker 2: We were just talking.
Speaker 5: We were we were just chip chatting everything. But I
Speaker 5: was thinking when I came over here, I was like,
Speaker 5: what what?
Speaker 4: Why was I even on?
Speaker 3: Carlos?
Speaker 4: He set me up?
Speaker 5: God, No, you didn't send me up.
Speaker 2: Did you hear from some people after our interview?
Speaker 4: Don't have me so much?
Speaker 5: It was so fantastic and it went everywhere. The interview
Speaker 5: went everywhere. A lot of people picked it up.
Speaker 2: A lot of people pick up their phone and call
Speaker 2: you bag.
Speaker 4: Everything was good. I enjoyed being on the show.
Speaker 2: Carlos, did anybody text you?
Speaker 3: You know what I was about?
Speaker 4: To say, yeah, because your muscles.
Speaker 5: Were like popping, Like you still got a nice shape,
Speaker 5: but you don't have.
Speaker 4: That like do you miss that?
Speaker 2: Amanda?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 3: Hey, all right, okay, well look I'm we're laughing.
Speaker 2: So rain drops obviously listened.
Speaker 3: There's a lot going on in the world right now,
Speaker 3: but the America's Next Top Model documentary has completely broken
Speaker 3: the internet. You are one of the few who have
Speaker 3: transcended from that franchise into creating your own brand and
Speaker 3: your own celebrity.
Speaker 2: I would I would.
Speaker 3: Say you Eva, Yaga, Da Costa, Winnie Harlow, you know.
Speaker 4: Girls, you know the girl you know, I feel like you.
Speaker 3: I feel like you four especially have definitely taken that
Speaker 3: momentum and rent with them. But what is so fascinating
Speaker 3: is with you. You didn't even win.
Speaker 4: No, I didn't even win.
Speaker 2: Were you even Top five?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 5: You were I was seven? Yeah, I was seven. I
Speaker 5: made it halfway through. I made it halfway through. And
Speaker 5: also I didn't even get selected. What do you mean, Oh,
Speaker 5: I think we talked about it before, Like they didn't
Speaker 5: even pick me to be on the show in the beginning. Right,
Speaker 5: had to go and reaudition because when I auditioned the
Speaker 5: first time I didn't get selected, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 5: somebody made a mistake.
Speaker 4: What's going on here? Like I need to see who's
Speaker 4: in charge, right, So.
Speaker 5: I think that is the unique thing about me that
Speaker 5: they didn't pick me originally.
Speaker 4: So I kind of bummed guard my way up on
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 5: And then I didn't win the show. I only made
Speaker 5: it halfway through. But I was the fan favor because
Speaker 5: back then this is when you called in, everybody was
Speaker 5: calling us. I was fan favored. And even though I'm
Speaker 5: not the winner, I'm a winner.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you are.
Speaker 4: You are.
Speaker 3: Listen, everybody loves the Kara you go by one name.
Speaker 3: You're the only to car that we know. But what
Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about, and we'll get
Speaker 3: to the particulars of the documentary. One of the biggest
Speaker 3: things that came out of it was each woman that
Speaker 3: they featured talked about their experience. So before I get
Speaker 3: into the details and get your thoughts on it, I
Speaker 3: do want to just ask you, like, what was your
Speaker 3: experience being on Top Model?
Speaker 4: My experience being on the Top Model.
Speaker 5: Ooh, I was twenty nineteen, twenty years old.
Speaker 4: I loved Tyra.
Speaker 5: I had always wanted to be a model. I had
Speaker 5: started modeling when I was fourteen years old. I was
Speaker 5: going to the agencies fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen, so I
Speaker 5: was already in that world. And then the only black
Speaker 5: models that we knew were Tira, Naomi Aman, Beverly, you know,
Speaker 5: And it was very hard. I didn't even know that
Speaker 5: plus size even existed, right there was.
Speaker 4: I couldn't.
Speaker 5: I couldn't name you a plus size model. I couldn't
Speaker 5: even I didn't even know the term. I don't even
Speaker 5: even know who used the term. So seeing Tire or
Speaker 5: seeing she's doing the reality show, knowing me I've already
Speaker 5: been modeled, I'm like, this is what I need. And
Speaker 5: I was already going to New York. I was like,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, and I want to be on TV. I
Speaker 5: got a great personality, bring it on. That's why I
Speaker 5: came in.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm here. I'm here. I'm big, black,
Speaker 4: beautiful and loving it right hundred in a buck? What right? So?
Speaker 5: I mean for me and I come from Dayton, Ohio, Right,
Speaker 5: I come from the projects, I come from the hood.
Speaker 4: I come from poverty. Right, So.
Speaker 5: I've already experienced a lot. I've already seen a lot.
Speaker 5: I've already dealt with a lot. I was e mascipated
Speaker 5: when I was sixteen fifteen, So for me, it was
Speaker 5: like I wanted to do what we gotta do? You
Speaker 5: want me to cut my hair? You want me to
Speaker 5: what do you want me to do? You wanna shave
Speaker 5: my head ball? I tell him, like you shave my
Speaker 5: head ball. I'm still gonna walk around here like what
Speaker 5: you want me to do? Because I'm trying to make
Speaker 5: it out. I'm you know, I'm confident, but I will
Speaker 5: say that it was a controlled environment, right, So we
Speaker 5: were in a controlled environment. We were micd up all
Speaker 5: the time, and and looking back as a mature, grown woman,
Speaker 5: basically where we were like rats in the mice trap,
Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like we were controlled on
Speaker 5: which way we could go or not go, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: we had a decision to go right and left, but
Speaker 5: if you in a certain way, there might be a roadblock.
Speaker 4: You might have to turn around and go back the
Speaker 4: other way.
Speaker 3: You know what do you mean by that in terms
Speaker 3: of like if you were you controlled and felt like
Speaker 3: you were a mouse and a lab experiment is because
Speaker 3: you obviously, well one.
Speaker 5: Insight one from like remembering an experience when I was
Speaker 5: doing it during that time. It's like in the beginning
Speaker 5: of Top Model, the like like the first or Steven episode,
Speaker 5: I think you see where they was like, well Eva
Speaker 5: and everyone has said something about Eva, and they did
Speaker 5: a clip and you see all these girls go say
Speaker 5: her name, Poper name out there. You didn't see me
Speaker 5: say that, but the producers backstage, they were trying to
Speaker 5: get you to say, like, well, what.
Speaker 4: Do you think about Eva? What about Eva?
Speaker 5: Like you know, they would, you know, get you, you know,
Speaker 5: get you to say things, but it was up to
Speaker 5: you to say it right.
Speaker 4: You still had to say it.
Speaker 5: But they were very that was their job too, as
Speaker 5: we know now, so right, so being in that experience
Speaker 5: back then we didn't know, but that was one of
Speaker 5: the experiences where but looking back at it as a
Speaker 5: grown woman like, oh yeah, that was a definitely control environment.
Speaker 5: Like when they were not having clothes in my size,
Speaker 5: they could definitely get closed in my size.
Speaker 4: I get dressed every day.
Speaker 5: I said it on the show, like I wanted to
Speaker 5: first the ball slap that bitch who pinched me, and
Speaker 5: I wanted to.
Speaker 4: I wanted to, you know, but it's like, oh on
Speaker 4: TV and.
Speaker 3: Our fairness, you did you did not want to lose
Speaker 3: the competition competition? Yeah, and and defend yourself the same
Speaker 3: way that Kenya was being.
Speaker 4: And moaned on and all those things. Yeah, correct, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could you didn't feel comfortable speaking out.
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 5: Well, no, because you want to win and you're right,
Speaker 5: did it? You're in a competition and it and like
Speaker 5: I said, it's control environment and looking back on it, right,
Speaker 5: like they I got eliminated because they said I didn't
Speaker 5: have any personality and.
Speaker 2: What what's so interesting about the day you got for
Speaker 2: real exhibit as real?
Speaker 3: No? Yeah, and I remember the pickure they chose of
Speaker 3: you with your with the hat on and stuff, the
Speaker 3: back list photo and you're looking like this.
Speaker 4: But well that's another thing too. I always felt that.
Speaker 5: That they don't think they always chose the best photos,
Speaker 5: Like I watched the DIG documentary and everything, but still
Speaker 5: I'm like, I know those couldn't have been the best photos,
Speaker 5: but it was admitted in the documentary like later on,
Speaker 5: but I'm in the beginning of I'm season cycle three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I want to go back to the EVA
Speaker 3: thing because I remember watching the EVA season and Tyra
Speaker 3: and the panel did say we're hearing pretty much you're.
Speaker 2: Bitch, and like you said, they flashed back to that.
Speaker 3: In hindsight, do you think that the producers were setting
Speaker 3: even Eva up to be the villain of that season
Speaker 3: since they didn't ask you guys talk to us about
Speaker 3: Eva talks to us by Eva was even really being
Speaker 3: a bitch behind the scenes or was it or exaggerated?
Speaker 5: Hmm, I'm gonna say it was fifty to fifty because
Speaker 5: Eva does. She's a scorpio, she's feisty, she got her personality,
Speaker 5: she's confident. You see how she walked up in that
Speaker 5: room like she was given very much. Eva the diva,
Speaker 5: but even it was a sweetheart to me. Eva was
Speaker 5: a sweetheart to me. Eva said, my bed with me,
Speaker 5: helped me stitch up my dress. Eva shared with me,
Speaker 5: talk to me about her best friend and her mother
Speaker 5: like me. And Eva was very personable from the very beginning,
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying. So they couldn't get me to
Speaker 5: say anything, but I couldn't, but I was. I did
Speaker 5: witness them trying to, you know, make conversations, but us like,
Speaker 5: that's that's not my story, right, And we heard the
Speaker 5: remarks even said about the girl who had to eat
Speaker 5: in disorder and things like that.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna to say.
Speaker 3: It was fifty to fifty when you when you look
Speaker 3: at your experience during cycle three, were you ever put
Speaker 3: in a situation that made you feel uncomfortable?
Speaker 5: I don't even know if I had set boundaries for that,
Speaker 5: So my answer is no. But I think that's as
Speaker 5: a young girl just once again willing to be and
Speaker 5: do what it is I think it takes to be
Speaker 5: on top. Nah nah nah nah nah.
Speaker 4: Now let me so much. You're so serious.
Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead, mister journalist, ahead, let me, but I'm serious. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but no, I don't think that I did like set
Speaker 5: those type the boundaries like and I mean and of
Speaker 5: course like we're grown now, so I've been behind the scenes,
Speaker 5: worked with production. I know how production works now, right,
Speaker 5: So that wasn't a thing for me. So looking at
Speaker 5: it from that lens, and it's hard for me not
Speaker 5: to have that LANs because you can't you only know
Speaker 5: what you know, right, I can't take away the experiences
Speaker 5: that I've gained, right, So I didn't know that then,
Speaker 5: but the things that I know now, I can see
Speaker 5: how the game was being played.
Speaker 3: Right, Hence, obviously, when they couldn't find clothes in your side,
Speaker 3: did you I want to go back to that moment
Speaker 3: because you were the first plus size contestant on Top Model,
Speaker 3: So did you feel that in that moment, like, obviously,
Speaker 3: I'm confident, I'm Takara, and these other girls obviously look.
Speaker 2: Different than me, but I don't care. I'm me. I'm confident.
Speaker 3: Did you feel like when that woman poked you, in
Speaker 3: addition to them not finding clothes, they had to get
Speaker 3: a reaction out of you because you weren't giving them
Speaker 3: anything because you're not jealous of anybody, you don't care about.
Speaker 3: You don't want to be skinny. So in hindsight, did
Speaker 3: you feel like y'all really pushed me to the limits
Speaker 3: because y'all needed to get a reaction out of me?
Speaker 5: You know, I never thought about it like that, but
Speaker 5: obviously yes, because every set that we went on, every
Speaker 5: time we did a photo shoot, it was like I
Speaker 5: was anticipating to see what they were going to pull
Speaker 5: out for me, And this seemed like I was always
Speaker 5: the last person that they were going to bring out
Speaker 5: wardrobe for, so everyone's clothes were already up and on
Speaker 5: the rag and it's like, are you going to even
Speaker 5: bring my clothes out?
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 5: And then everyone had options and this was basically like
Speaker 5: you're wearing this, like when we did the challenge at Lapearola.
Speaker 4: I'm so glad my.
Speaker 5: Memory is working for me. Thank your memory, because i'd
Speaker 5: be forgetting everything.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I remember with that Laparola and like, I can't
Speaker 5: fit Lapearola right, and my breasts you see these titties, right,
Speaker 5: it's a big, beautiful bress that.
Speaker 4: I make bras for myself now.
Speaker 5: But we did Lapearola, right, I can't fit their their undergarments,
Speaker 5: so I had to wear a robe. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 5: I mean the challenge was dumbe because we had to
Speaker 5: like be like manne cains. I didn't really understand what
Speaker 5: was going on, but to the point of that.
Speaker 4: I didn't have options.
Speaker 5: You gonna wear this robe, and if it's a medium
Speaker 5: or smaller wetherside, you're gonna we won't even have your
Speaker 5: right size rope. This is what you're gonna wear and
Speaker 5: take these thongs or pennies or whatever. Like there was
Speaker 5: no fault, there was, you know, but I didn't see it.
Speaker 5: I mean, I've seen it, but it I was still
Speaker 5: happy to be there, and I did have the confidence
Speaker 5: that I'm the big girl in the room. Y'all about
Speaker 5: to get rid of me no time soon. I know,
Speaker 5: I got least happy y'll beat you know what I mean,
Speaker 5: Like I always knew that, Like I at least.
Speaker 4: Got most of y'all. Bet y'all, y'all. It's not even
Speaker 4: a competition.
Speaker 3: Yet, period, Right, I'm not going anywhere, yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 3: But the thing about as I was watching the documentary,
Speaker 3: obviously Tara created the show.
Speaker 2: She owns twenty five percent of it.
Speaker 3: So I as a journalist, hey, Portia, I did my research.
Speaker 2: Tara admitted to Howard.
Speaker 4: Stern Howard Stern that she well, he right, he brought
Speaker 4: it up.
Speaker 2: He brought it up. He said, how much did you own?
Speaker 3: She won't saying, and he said, you owned about twenty
Speaker 3: five percent, and.
Speaker 2: She said, you know, you know, I'm not confirming it, though.
Speaker 3: So what what was your experience like with Tara Banks
Speaker 3: during cycle three?
Speaker 5: My experience, I mean, even to this day, I still
Speaker 5: remember the first time that I've seen her when she
Speaker 5: came out, like I was so enthralled, like oh wow,
Speaker 5: like she did not look real. You know, I've bangrowed out.
Speaker 5: I was excited and during the show. I've always held
Speaker 5: her in that regard and she always took up for me.
Speaker 5: Remember when Janni's was like, well then she needs to
Speaker 5: lose one hundred pounds, She's like, she'll be thirty pounds.
Speaker 4: She's like, you know, So it's like Tyra stood up
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 5: And but she always was the judge, so it wasn't
Speaker 5: never well she did she said, she came into the
Speaker 5: room and she listened to our stories.
Speaker 4: You know. It is the episode where I cried and
Speaker 4: I'm crying on her lap.
Speaker 5: I mean, my experience with Tyra was was totally different
Speaker 5: because I feel in those moments she was being personable
Speaker 5: and that she did care. And a lot of a
Speaker 5: lot of my story wasn't revealed far as like what
Speaker 5: my parents and stuff was going through, you know, so
Speaker 5: like I don't know if it just wasn't a big
Speaker 5: enough story, but like a lot of my personal things weren't.
Speaker 4: Weren't you in a bad way towards me? You know?
Speaker 5: But on the show, on season three, Tyre was the judge.
Speaker 5: She was the main girl, and I've all you know,
Speaker 5: I always just was fangirl and I never really looked
Speaker 5: at her in a bad light during the season, or never.
Speaker 4: Until this documentary. But I don't even mean it like that.
Speaker 2: Like yeah no, But the thing is this when you.
Speaker 3: One thing I know about you and and and I
Speaker 3: said this for my Monday night live show. One thing
Speaker 3: that I can see as a producer too, is I
Speaker 3: thought it was on purpose that the directors did not
Speaker 3: contact you.
Speaker 2: Eva.
Speaker 4: When I first seen I said they did a documentary, I.
Speaker 5: Said, oh, okay, I just knew even it was gonna be
Speaker 5: on it because I knew. I wasn't knowing as I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: let me see. And then I've seen the trailer and
Speaker 5: I didn't see Eva.
Speaker 4: Then I didn't see ya Yah. I'm like, okay, Yah,
Speaker 4: y'all is going to be on.
Speaker 5: It, right, So no, I'm not on it me even
Speaker 5: in Yah Yeah, I said, oh okay, well I'm in
Speaker 5: good company.
Speaker 2: Why do you think they on perfect because that's a choice.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it's definitely a choice.
Speaker 3: Do you think the reason why the directors then I
Speaker 3: contact Eva Tokara, Yah y'all Nacosta three successful black women
Speaker 3: whose career ballooned because of the show, and from my knowledge,
Speaker 3: never publicly disparaged Tyra. Do you think the reason they
Speaker 3: didn't contact you is because I feel like.
Speaker 5: They didn't contact me because I didn't have a negative
Speaker 5: thing to say so because when I watched the documentary,
Speaker 5: it's like, oh, or when I seen the clips or
Speaker 5: the trailers and stuff, it was just like, Oh, that's
Speaker 5: not my story because they can't get that out of me.
Speaker 5: Once again, the producers they not going to be able
Speaker 5: to get that out of me. I can't give you.
Speaker 5: I only can give you the truth. I can only
Speaker 5: give you the truth.
Speaker 3: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.
Speaker 3: Let's get back into the show. And that's what I
Speaker 3: want our conversation to be. Because the thing is this.
Speaker 3: I looked at the documentary. I am the biggest fan
Speaker 3: of Top Model. I watch all the cycles, and who
Speaker 3: I saw Tabary Banks be on that show was not
Speaker 3: what she was being talked about on the documentary, and
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: Hard for even me to watch.
Speaker 3: But what I will say, and we'll get to the
Speaker 3: rest later, but what I wanted to say when it
Speaker 3: comes to you girls, you even ya ya not being contacted.
Speaker 3: It felt like they definitely wanted this to be nothing
Speaker 3: but negative. And because I am a journalist, one thing
Speaker 3: I know is you got to get both sides.
Speaker 2: It has to be a balanced story.
Speaker 3: Now, look, Tyra definitely didn't help herself out with the
Speaker 3: trench coat. Hey, you give a little bit of trick.
Speaker 4: You're not the mother.
Speaker 2: So we definitely didn't see that.
Speaker 3: But what I will say is it was a choice
Speaker 3: that they didn't contact people who had a pleasant experience.
Speaker 3: But when you watched a documentary, was it hard for
Speaker 3: you to see that Tyra because is that the Tyra
Speaker 3: that you know?
Speaker 5: That was a good question. I was heartbroken. I was heartbroken.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question. Was that the Tyra?
Speaker 4: What was your question? Is that the tire I know?
Speaker 4: Or was that this? Wait? Was your question?
Speaker 3: Was it hard for you to watch that Tyra during
Speaker 3: the documentary because that's not the Tyra that you know?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought when I watched the documentary and I've
Speaker 5: seen how Tira was an interview, how she connected herself
Speaker 5: in the interview, I do feel that it was very
Speaker 5: much performative, right, And I do feel like I don't
Speaker 5: think it was very genuine. I don't think that it
Speaker 5: was very very genuine. And I think I think I
Speaker 5: think she didn't show vulnerability, and I didn't think and
Speaker 5: I didn't think she showed empathy. And I think if
Speaker 5: she would have did that, then we would have forgiven her,
Speaker 5: you know, because we all understand the climate back then.
Speaker 5: We all under stand the business now, right, so we
Speaker 5: all understood what the culture was.
Speaker 4: We get that.
Speaker 5: And if she would have just said that, you know,
Speaker 5: or just admitted with honesty was just vulnerability, we would
Speaker 5: have been like, oh girl, we get it, we understand right,
Speaker 5: you know, Like I don't think they would have been
Speaker 5: nailing her to the stake like they are. But then
Speaker 5: I think it's hard too because I think now like
Speaker 5: I'm one of the old people, because it's like when
Speaker 5: I talk about the show, it's like back in my day, right,
Speaker 5: I'm forty four, I'd be forty four, I'm forty three.
Speaker 4: I'd be forty four in March.
Speaker 5: At thirteenth, nineteen eighty two because wikipedm messed up my stuff.
Speaker 4: So let's just get that, right, Let's get the real
Speaker 4: age on the out there right March the thirteenth.
Speaker 5: But I think the documentary did a good job. Like
Speaker 5: when I watched it from the beginning, it was like,
Speaker 5: this is what happens, right when you go out to
Speaker 5: a competition. This is and this is interesting to see
Speaker 5: what happens to all the hundreds of thousand girls who
Speaker 5: came out to audition for a show that there was
Speaker 5: only going to be one winner, Like.
Speaker 4: We all have to take in that factor, you know.
Speaker 5: Some girls dropped out of school, some girls left their jobs,
Speaker 5: Like these are life changing choices that you have to
Speaker 5: that you were conscious of, and you know there's only
Speaker 5: one spot, you know. So it brought to light right
Speaker 5: unveiled what really happens in the real world. There are
Speaker 5: plenty of girls who then came out and tried to
Speaker 5: make it in this modeling world. And the mardeling world
Speaker 5: is very tough and it's very limited, it's very short lived,
Speaker 5: you know. So watching it, I was like wow, because
Speaker 5: these are the stories that I want to see of,
Speaker 5: like what happens when you do go back home and
Speaker 5: you don't have you know, what you thought you were
Speaker 5: going to get and it you know, the letdown, And
Speaker 5: the thing is it happened to me too, right when
Speaker 5: I got eliminated. People from Top Model didn't reach out
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 4: They didn't.
Speaker 5: Follow up with me. Tyra did give me her number.
Speaker 5: She did ever ever had any questions and stuff, I
Speaker 5: can call. But it wasn't like I got off the
Speaker 5: show and they Top Model created opportunities where oh, you
Speaker 5: can go to this agency or you know, gathered us
Speaker 5: and made us like a America's Next Top Model sorority
Speaker 5: or association a handbook. Right like we all were let go.
Speaker 5: We got eliminated, and we all were let go. That's
Speaker 5: my story too. But my goal was when I was
Speaker 5: on the show, my goal was, Oh, just get me
Speaker 5: on TV.
Speaker 4: Somebody just need to see me. I just need to
Speaker 4: get me.
Speaker 5: Here first, my dad was My first goal was let
Speaker 5: me get on TV. Like I said earlier, Oh I audition,
Speaker 5: they didn't pick me. Oh I was in the wrong room.
Speaker 5: The right person didn't see me, you know, like no, like,
Speaker 5: oh no, let me get on and because of the
Speaker 5: show I did see. I think it was like a
Speaker 5: Twitter or ex or I don't know, some social media
Speaker 5: posts where it's like I remember when a car got eliminated.
Speaker 5: My office was calling her phone calling her from Astrey
Speaker 5: Stewart because we wanted to give her a deal with
Speaker 5: Ashley Stewart.
Speaker 4: And it's so true. I remember them calling me.
Speaker 5: They send a car, black car to my house, and
Speaker 5: I thought that this is what happens to all the girls.
Speaker 4: I didn't even really realize that I was special like that,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: But it is true, like they blew me up, shout
Speaker 5: out to Ashley Stewart. They blew me down there and
Speaker 5: it was fun. I didn't even have an agent. I
Speaker 5: didn't have nothing. That's why I didn't know, you know,
Speaker 5: and different people just saw after me once again because
Speaker 5: I was on TV. People saw me and they came
Speaker 5: for me. But Top Model gave me that platform. They
Speaker 5: didn't necessary help me after the show, but then Tyrod did.
Speaker 5: Once I would start doing Ashy Stewart, start doing other things,
Speaker 5: and then you know, I worked with BT. So now
Speaker 5: I'm in the circle. And so now I'm running into
Speaker 5: Tyra or I moved to LA and so Tyra has
Speaker 5: called me to work on her model land to you know,
Speaker 5: do a photo shoot to be part of her talk show.
Speaker 5: You know, I was in Italian Vogue. I got fourteen
Speaker 5: pages that wasn't because of Tyra that was because of
Speaker 5: Tracy Christian. Thank you, Yeah, on and on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The thing is this, the reason why I love this
Speaker 3: conversation is because two things can be true.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I'm a fencer. I'm like this
Speaker 4: two things.
Speaker 2: No no, no, no no, no, You're not a fencer. It's your reality.
Speaker 2: This is the thing.
Speaker 3: The reason why I had to really say, like, look, guys,
Speaker 3: they didn't contact a kara Eva and from my understanding,
Speaker 3: Yaga da Costa because publicly they've never said anything disparaging
Speaker 3: about Tyra. And listen, I'm not here to defend Tyra
Speaker 3: because Tyra, in my opinion, did a his poor job
Speaker 3: defending herself.
Speaker 2: So I'm not here to do that.
Speaker 3: But what I am here is to offer that Look,
Speaker 3: everybody had a different experience, and what I feel like, listen,
Speaker 3: you and our friends in real life, so you never,
Speaker 3: even our private conversations, ever say anything bad about your
Speaker 3: experience of Tomado or Retira. And the thing is, I
Speaker 3: think this what I'm hearing is I was a woman
Speaker 3: who was going to get it by any means necessary,
Speaker 3: in the sense of put me on and I'll take
Speaker 3: care of the rest, because I'll let my ambition take
Speaker 3: me and open up doors, because you really wanted this
Speaker 3: same thing with Eva Eva one. But there's listen, there's
Speaker 3: been twenty four other winners. Let's have a real conversation,
Speaker 3: and Eva is the most. I don't think people understand
Speaker 3: how Eva is relevant and that show her seas y'all
Speaker 3: season on two thousand and five something like that. So
Speaker 3: it is about the fact that everybody experience is different.
Speaker 3: And yes, when it comes to what they didn't help me,
Speaker 3: I didn't look at that and say it's not the
Speaker 3: producer's job.
Speaker 4: And so I said, did she owe us that? Did
Speaker 4: she promise us that? No, they didn't.
Speaker 5: Always they didn't say they were going to, Okay, you're
Speaker 5: going to show it after the show, We're gonna take
Speaker 5: care of you, We're gonna help you out, or you know,
Speaker 5: there was no sideals. There was no we didn't get paid.
Speaker 5: You know, nothing of those things happened. But I will
Speaker 5: say this too watching the documentary, because I wasn't unaware
Speaker 5: of a lot of these things too, because honestly, after
Speaker 5: my season, I was popping.
Speaker 4: I really didn't watch the show.
Speaker 5: I didn't go back for the All Star and tyre
Speaker 5: called me for that too, and I turned it down.
Speaker 4: She called me.
Speaker 2: Again, like why did you turn it down?
Speaker 4: Because I went' get paid?
Speaker 5: They say he can't pay you, And it was like,
Speaker 5: I'm working, I live in LA, I got bills. It's
Speaker 5: like it's the world world. I'm getting offers. I did
Speaker 5: Celebrity Fit Club, you know. And then I guess I
Speaker 5: felt a little bad in hindsight because it's like, damn,
Speaker 5: I guess I should have did didn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I do feel a little bad that I didn't do
Speaker 5: it because I did get my start, But I was like.
Speaker 4: What what is it going to do for me that
Speaker 4: I'm not doing like I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: You're not getting paid.
Speaker 4: For everything? Yeah, but I'm there, I'm getting nothing. I'm
Speaker 4: not getting nothing. That's not do you think that's messed up?
Speaker 3: But I'm like, okay, I could see if you turned
Speaker 3: it down and you felt like you should have got
Speaker 3: more money, Like you give.
Speaker 4: Me something, I got bills to pay. You want me
Speaker 4: to like not that, and.
Speaker 3: Listen, you weren't making offers in other places, I mean
Speaker 3: getting offers in other places.
Speaker 2: So I don't think you should feel bad about that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, But what I was saying, thank you was that.
Speaker 5: Was that when I watched the show right and I
Speaker 5: see the other people's stories that I wasn't aware of
Speaker 5: or knew about, it does make me feel like I
Speaker 5: don't want to be I don't want to be friends
Speaker 5: with someone who is nice to me but not not
Speaker 5: nice to everyone else. Or I don't want to be
Speaker 5: in a relationship with a man who's good to me,
Speaker 5: but it's treating a waiter some kind of where, you know,
Speaker 5: treating a valet some kind of way.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 5: So it's like that fence because like just because they're
Speaker 5: nice to you doesn't make it right, you know, how
Speaker 5: they treat other people.
Speaker 4: That's like a character trait, you know.
Speaker 5: So then it does my heart does go out to
Speaker 5: the jays, you know, the contestants. You know, it's like,
Speaker 5: once again, the truth is the truth. That wasn't right,
Speaker 5: you know what's it right?
Speaker 4: When you.
Speaker 2: Heard Shandy story about.
Speaker 3: Being said, and I'm saying sad because it's YouTube and
Speaker 3: they have their they have regulations, but she mentioned being
Speaker 3: said when she was drinking and she said, the producer said,
Speaker 3: we're gonna buite the guys over to the house, and
Speaker 3: they filmed her having sex. She said she was not
Speaker 3: even in her right state of mind and she was
Speaker 3: pretty much assaulted. When you hear her story about what happened,
Speaker 3: and they filmed her contacting her boyfriend and you know,
Speaker 3: she's crying and he's crying. And even when they asked
Speaker 3: Tyra like can talk about Shandy's story and she's like,
Speaker 3: I think, what were your thoughts about.
Speaker 4: All of that?
Speaker 5: That's what I mean about the vulnerability and the empathy.
Speaker 5: And I guess also like watching everything that you know,
Speaker 5: everything is online so you can see everything. And it's like, Tyra,
Speaker 5: you did know you had her on a talk show,
Speaker 5: you talked about that, you talked about editing, you talked
Speaker 5: about the family. You know, you knew she didn't want
Speaker 5: to see it, and it's like you just didn't validate her,
Speaker 5: and then to do the documentary instill not But even
Speaker 5: when is it, mister J, even when mister J and
Speaker 5: the phone call, like you know and missus Jay, everybody,
Speaker 5: I don't like you said she didn't do a good
Speaker 5: job at defending herself.
Speaker 4: She she.
Speaker 5: She didn't do a good job at defending herself. I
Speaker 5: don't know how I can defend somebody.
Speaker 4: Who didn't do a good job at definished stuff.
Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to defend her, right, I'm not
Speaker 5: trying to defend her. She showed up, she did the interview.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just speaking on my experience, and I
Speaker 5: can't jump ship or change my experience. But I can
Speaker 5: recognize what happened, and I can't see, you know, I
Speaker 5: can see clearly like everybody else can see that that
Speaker 5: wasn't right, you know, and.
Speaker 4: Right, that wasn't right.
Speaker 5: A lot of things that happened. And once again, if
Speaker 5: everyone got the same story, it gotta be some truth
Speaker 5: in it. And even before I got on TV or Hollywood,
Speaker 5: people used to talk about tier too, you know, godsaid
Speaker 5: that she was.
Speaker 4: Cheap or not nice to people at restaurants or whatever.
Speaker 4: These are just rumors.
Speaker 5: So I don't mean to keep spreading rumors, but just
Speaker 5: to add to the narrative that we were talking about,
Speaker 5: you know, she has have had a reputation of maybe
Speaker 5: not being such the nicest person. And then to see
Speaker 5: the contestants, I mean, I was there with Tiffany was
Speaker 5: on the show too, you know, because but you know,
Speaker 5: with the contestants, with the judges, it's just not nice
Speaker 5: and it's heartbreaking.
Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: Were you shocked when you heard that Miss J who
Speaker 2: at the time of filming and film last year, he suffered.
Speaker 4: A stroke, had a stroke. He taught her how to walk.
Speaker 4: You know, they've been friends and she was a teenager.
Speaker 5: Both of them, mister J and missus J, been friends
Speaker 5: with them since they were teenagers. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: It was just it was very heartfelt. And then like
Speaker 5: missus J is my girl. She was like this, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I love her too. And she felt like the most
Speaker 5: closest to home on the show. You know, she was
Speaker 5: like my black girlfriend. You know, she was like she
Speaker 5: felt the closest to home on the show that we
Speaker 5: could touch and talk to and interact with. So yeah,
Speaker 5: and for her to try and even just everybody, I'm
Speaker 5: just shocked, Like I I'm shocked, and I really can't
Speaker 5: believe she I don't know, I don't you know what
Speaker 5: I think?
Speaker 4: So right, So this is my thing too for Tyra
Speaker 4: right look at you right now.
Speaker 5: So she's the producer too, so she's coming from both
Speaker 5: ends of it. She's trying to be professional and give
Speaker 5: the correct answers.
Speaker 4: Or not put. I don't know what she was trying
Speaker 4: to do, but.
Speaker 5: She had a guard up, right, so she was very
Speaker 5: guarded and she wanted to give off. I don't know
Speaker 5: what she thought she was even enough she missed the mark,
Speaker 5: but I don't think that that was her intentions, right.
Speaker 5: She felt like she showed up. She felt like she
Speaker 5: was you know, I don't know what she felt like.
Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you, Okay, tell me.
Speaker 3: I don't know tyber Banks, right, I saw a woman
Speaker 3: who chose she just like how they how they did
Speaker 3: not contact y'all.
Speaker 2: They did contact her and she could have.
Speaker 5: Said no, And I feel like they gave her a
Speaker 5: test of her taste of her own medicine, because like
Speaker 5: how we did reality and they edited too, and they
Speaker 5: showed it like I don't know how the editing process
Speaker 5: was too, but it was like the way they edited
Speaker 5: too could have well did play a big part in
Speaker 5: it because we don't know the funt well.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a fair assessment, and that's why I
Speaker 3: have to say, listen, I'm gonna give I'm gonna I
Speaker 3: want to give my audience.
Speaker 2: The entire scope. What I will say is she chose.
Speaker 4: To do it.
Speaker 2: This woman who I adored.
Speaker 3: Growing up watching her be a black woman creating a
Speaker 3: show where she had ownership that is rare in this business.
Speaker 3: And for it to be a franchise in other countries,
Speaker 3: that's insane.
Speaker 5: And that's what I think too, because it's like, what
Speaker 5: do you do when you have that much power and
Speaker 5: you have that much control?
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
Speaker 5: Because we sit here and we can get criticize, or
Speaker 5: we can come up with what I would do, what
Speaker 5: I wouldn't do.
Speaker 4: But she did it right, and she had all this power,
Speaker 4: all this fame, and.
Speaker 5: I've I haven't had that kind of success, right, but
Speaker 5: the type I have been tempted by things right, And.
Speaker 3: You don't know, Well, my thing is this, I'm gonna
Speaker 3: tell you what I would have wished. I'm a producer,
Speaker 3: I produced. My first reality job was two thousand and eight.
Speaker 3: I tell my brain drops. I wasn't an EP, I
Speaker 3: wasn't an associate producer very much on the bottom of
Speaker 3: total poll. I can look at that show and be like, oh, damn,
Speaker 3: we did shoot Kim Zosiak having a rit solo cup
Speaker 3: driving her car. Presumably it could be alcohol in it.
Speaker 3: We would never do that today. But I can look,
Speaker 3: I can look with fresh eyes eighteen years later it Oh,
Speaker 3: that wasn't great for us to shoot.
Speaker 2: But so it's.
Speaker 3: Acknowledging that, look at that time, some things not everything
Speaker 3: that happened, but there are some things you could have said, like, uh,
Speaker 3: I think the thing with Tyra was more so when
Speaker 3: I say this, I'm not trying to be a mean
Speaker 3: sold me. I think she's a narcissist. I think she
Speaker 3: is somebody you can't tell.
Speaker 2: Her what to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I agree that she
Speaker 5: is the bad guy. You know that she don't mind
Speaker 5: being the bad guy, right, and that like whether you're
Speaker 5: famous or infamous, you know, it's like someone gotta be
Speaker 5: evil carel you know.
Speaker 2: Like she no, no, no. The thing with Tyra for
Speaker 2: me was you chose to do it because your ego.
Speaker 3: You could not have Netflix, the biggest streaming platform, talk
Speaker 3: about a show you created, you and you're not a
Speaker 3: part of it. And I think her ego got the
Speaker 3: best of her. And to me, yes, you can make
Speaker 3: mistakes in your professional career.
Speaker 5: We all do.
Speaker 3: There's not one person breathing that can look back and say, oh,
Speaker 3: I would have done things differently. We're human and that's
Speaker 3: the beautiful thing about life is growth. However, the one
Speaker 3: thing that Tyra has that you can't make up, edit
Speaker 3: make mistakes about is your character.
Speaker 2: Till this day, this man.
Speaker 3: Taught you how to walk and that show was successful,
Speaker 3: Yes because of her, but baby, also because of him,
Speaker 3: mister Jay and Nijo.
Speaker 2: The fact that you can't even.
Speaker 3: Say, baby, here's a couple of thousand we ain't gotta speak,
Speaker 3: but here you go. Even the fact that mister Jay
Speaker 3: is somebody who y'all grew up in the game together.
Speaker 3: And yes he quit, but during filming you will only
Speaker 3: talk to him on camera and during breaks you would
Speaker 3: give him a cold shoulder. Until this day, when they
Speaker 3: brought up his name, you say I should call him.
Speaker 3: A year later he announced you haven't called him. That
Speaker 3: to me is character. And that's of all the things
Speaker 3: I was disappointed in the character of the woman. The
Speaker 3: fact that outside of you not acknowledging your role in
Speaker 3: the television production. And yes, she's right, bosses have bosses.
Speaker 3: She is one thousand percent right. She's one thousand percent right.
Speaker 3: When she had to defend herself against Les Moonvez where
Speaker 3: they almost fought she was right in that reguard, but
Speaker 3: acknowledge that, Hey, guys, I could have done things differently.
Speaker 4: Here I was.
Speaker 6: I was trying to teach the girls how the modeling
Speaker 6: industry was at a time, and guess what, I may
Speaker 6: have failed them, and I'm sorry we all have been
Speaker 6: like But to me, it was.
Speaker 3: Her character of how till this day, these men who
Speaker 3: made your show what it is too you can even
Speaker 3: fly to meet them in your trench coat, but you
Speaker 3: can fly to the green screen of a Netflix documentary.
Speaker 2: That to me is character. And I can't. I can't
Speaker 2: reconcile that. I can't.
Speaker 3: You can't fly to visit this man in the hospital,
Speaker 3: but you can fly to go to set and say.
Speaker 2: Cycle twenty five, we have so much in store for you.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see Cycle twenty five.
Speaker 3: Well, you created was so magnificent in the sense of
Speaker 3: it's in the pop culture history.
Speaker 2: Let it go, sist, let it go?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Would you would? Would you want to?
Speaker 5: I mean I said this though earlier in the conversation,
Speaker 5: that that is character, right. You don't want someone I
Speaker 5: can't say, oh, well, my experience was nice, so she's
Speaker 5: not this person. Two things could be true. They are true.
Speaker 5: That's terrible. The please you haven't even known me as
Speaker 5: long as you've known these people. These are your friends,
Speaker 5: your real friends, right You're sleeping in their beds, going
Speaker 5: to their homes, You're having real conversations.
Speaker 4: He's still so respectful.
Speaker 5: It's I know things about her that I'm still not
Speaker 5: going to talk about, right, So, like a true friend,
Speaker 5: right So yeah, like no, that is character.
Speaker 4: I'm a grown woman.
Speaker 5: I would tell my child, I would tell my sister, like,
Speaker 5: you know, watch out for people, how watch how they
Speaker 5: treat other people. Watch believe people when they show you
Speaker 5: who they are, you know, like, and everyone's not making
Speaker 5: these stories up. It's a list. It was not just
Speaker 5: one or two people who have a story. I think
Speaker 5: the scale our weighs itself.
Speaker 3: Do you think it's unfair that Tyra is the only
Speaker 3: person giving them backlash? And do you think mister J
Speaker 3: Miss j Nigel, do you think they should also share
Speaker 3: in some of that backlash too?
Speaker 4: Yes? I think so.
Speaker 5: I think they should share in some of the backlash too,
Speaker 5: because they are the judges and you know, they were
Speaker 5: key king and going along or whatever, you know, Like, yeah,
Speaker 5: I think everyone should just admit to it.
Speaker 4: It's fine.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know it's twenty something, twenty plus years ago.
Speaker 5: Twenty plus years ago. We are not the same people.
Speaker 4: So yes, like missus J admitted it, Mister J admitted it.
Speaker 5: He said, you know, he Tyra and Janice was going
Speaker 5: at it, and so he would be a little more
Speaker 5: feisy with Janet, you know, so you know, to help.
Speaker 2: Tire out right, So you did say that.
Speaker 5: He did say that, Yes, they they're they're just there
Speaker 5: ca who I just to show, right, I did miss
Speaker 5: stick House on the Shade Room.
Speaker 4: I had judges.
Speaker 5: I'm the host, you know, like, yeah, we and Caho's
Speaker 5: we're friends, like the different layers, you know, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they should sharing some of that, and I think
Speaker 4: they are. That's what I say. They We're not giving it.
Speaker 5: They're not putting the fire on them, but I think
Speaker 5: if we did, they would, and I think they are
Speaker 5: slowly omitting. Like yeah, you know, I've heard missus Jay,
Speaker 5: mister J say like what I hear him say. I
Speaker 5: don't want to misquote them, but basically they are he
Speaker 5: has you know, like, did I make some bad choices
Speaker 5: that I did not do?
Speaker 4: Some things? You know, Yeah, it's not running from it.
Speaker 2: When it comes to the legacy of Top Model, do you.
Speaker 3: Does it sadden you a bit? Because one thing that
Speaker 3: Eva Togail King was it was like we were like
Speaker 3: these sorority sisters, like we were part of this club
Speaker 3: of top model girls. And she said the same thing
Speaker 3: you said. She said, I had no idea what was
Speaker 3: going on behind the scenes. It wasn't my experience. However,
Speaker 3: I can acknowledge what I've been shown and that that's
Speaker 3: messed up. Does it sad in you a bit that
Speaker 3: this show that, for all intents and purposes, we know
Speaker 3: you because of that show.
Speaker 2: We know Eva because of that show. Same with y'all, y'all.
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on.
Speaker 3: Is it sad that this show that made Jorn famous
Speaker 3: and gave y'all a big break is now being diminished
Speaker 3: based on this dark cloud that's not over it?
Speaker 4: Do I think it's being diminished?
Speaker 2: Like there's a negative stain?
Speaker 4: And now I never looked at it like that. But
Speaker 4: the truth is I was on cycle three.
Speaker 5: After certain cycles anyway, we already they had to staying
Speaker 5: a stigma to it. They said it, you know, in
Speaker 5: the documentary, it's like Oh, she's a top model girl.
Speaker 5: So girls thought that they were going to America's next
Speaker 5: Top Model and because they were on Top Model that
Speaker 5: doors were open, but doors were shut because they were
Speaker 5: on Top Model.
Speaker 4: No, that wasn't That's what I'm saying. But I was
Speaker 4: in season three.
Speaker 5: I was there before that started before I don't know
Speaker 5: when it began, but lucky for me that I was
Speaker 5: in the beginning before it had that type of stigma
Speaker 5: to it.
Speaker 3: Brandy another winner, that's the one who said that it
Speaker 3: opened up no doors for her, and there was this
Speaker 3: negative connotation that the modey industry felt that if you
Speaker 3: came from that show, we don't want from.
Speaker 5: All the girls, all the top model girls because they
Speaker 5: were looking at me. And so when they would come
Speaker 5: to me to Carra well you know, and they would
Speaker 5: tell me this. So I did hear this, like they
Speaker 5: don't want us because they don't want me because I
Speaker 5: was on Top Model, or I've been turned away because
Speaker 5: I was on Top Model. They yeah, this was then
Speaker 5: it was said verbally like that that there was a
Speaker 5: hard time because I was on the show. I've heard
Speaker 5: it from multiple girls in real time back then. So
Speaker 5: this that that part wasn't new to me.
Speaker 2: Danielle said that.
Speaker 5: When she and that broke my heart when I heard
Speaker 5: Danielle and she said that. Tyra said, yeah, there were
Speaker 5: doors that you rooms that you didn't come into because
Speaker 5: you know, I was on the fence with you, you know,
Speaker 5: or I didn't give you the stemp of approval or
Speaker 5: however way she phrased that, And that's very hurtful. And
Speaker 5: I felt like, Wow, why would you even say that?
Speaker 5: Like what was if you did that, that's terrible. And
Speaker 5: then too to admit it and say it years fifteen
Speaker 5: years later. That's so hurtful. That's just like another like job.
Speaker 5: I feel like when you say things out your mouth,
Speaker 5: you should ask yourself, isn't necessary?
Speaker 4: Is it kind?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: I think, don't just let things. I thought that was
Speaker 4: I thought that was fucked up.
Speaker 3: No, it is, it is, it's it's it's it's I
Speaker 3: don't know. I what what what would you like for
Speaker 3: Tyra to do? If Tyra is watching right now, Sokara,
Speaker 3: what would.
Speaker 2: You say to her?
Speaker 4: I love you so much, Carlos King? If what would
Speaker 4: I like.
Speaker 2: Tyra to do or know or hear from you? Because
Speaker 2: in your defense.
Speaker 5: You.
Speaker 4: You know what I think, I do.
Speaker 5: This is what I think, and I've always thought this,
Speaker 5: and I believe I've always said this too. I do
Speaker 5: wish that Tyra, and I know it was not her responsibility,
Speaker 5: she don't owe it to us or anything, but I
Speaker 5: would have loved if she would have really made us
Speaker 5: into a sorority or a you know, just like we.
Speaker 4: I probably need to do it.
Speaker 5: I'm about to start a top Model association or something
Speaker 5: really because we all these beautiful girls, all these we
Speaker 5: could have had an agency. I don't know, just so
Speaker 5: much potential that was just left and no one came
Speaker 5: along to help or pick us up. Like I do
Speaker 5: wish that there was some after maths, some after care
Speaker 5: for us.
Speaker 4: I do wish that. I do wish that.
Speaker 5: And even when we're like other shows they would do
Speaker 5: things with their contestants, you know, I don't know, like
Speaker 5: Real World or it was like other shows that would
Speaker 5: take their contestants and maybe they made them do competitions.
Speaker 4: Or do you know, it was just different things.
Speaker 5: You know that different networks too, you know VH one,
Speaker 5: B Table, you know, bring people back and do reunion
Speaker 5: shows or you know, like just yeah, maybe.
Speaker 2: You're on the real world, then you could be.
Speaker 4: On the own exactly.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: Now I kind of got traders and you you were
Speaker 5: on this show, you know, like where is ours? Why
Speaker 5: are we not doing the like yeah, I really wish
Speaker 5: that that we had opportunity to do that. That would
Speaker 5: have been awesome.
Speaker 2: Well, it was the last time you communicated or had
Speaker 2: any communication.
Speaker 5: The last time I talked to Tyr we were I
Speaker 5: was actually working with her on her model lamp. Well,
Speaker 5: I wasn't working with her, but she called me to
Speaker 5: do some merch what you call it. Yeah, so we
Speaker 5: did a photo shoot but it never got released. And
Speaker 5: that was back right before the pandemic happened. And then
Speaker 5: she switched up because I don't know if you remember
Speaker 5: the model lamp, remember model? And so after that, now
Speaker 5: she's doing ice cream. And that hurt my feelings too,
Speaker 5: because I did hear her say, hey, my legacy I wanted.
Speaker 4: You know, just like beauty is fading. You know.
Speaker 5: It was vanity, which is true, which is like, but
Speaker 5: I want my legacy to be ice cream.
Speaker 4: It's like you have you already? Yeah that hurt, No,
Speaker 4: that hurt No, no.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not laughing at that part. I'm just laughing
Speaker 2: at the fact that.
Speaker 3: You listen, I'm gonna give this black woman all the
Speaker 3: props in the world legendary supermodel.
Speaker 2: Legacy.
Speaker 3: Just I mean, I sometimes and y'all do to watch
Speaker 3: her runaway walks and mama had the I and the
Speaker 3: T inmy award winning talk show host. Yes, do you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? And to say that I want
Speaker 3: my legacy to be ice cream is wild. And that's
Speaker 3: the reason why.
Speaker 2: Listen. Everything happens for a reason.
Speaker 3: If I was Tabard Banks and I knew I wasn't
Speaker 3: going to give any rulnerability, I would not have as
Speaker 3: it would have been because the thing is this, if
Speaker 3: if and this is why you gotta have a good
Speaker 3: team around you and listen, maybe her team just say like,
Speaker 3: you are in no position based on what you're telling guys,
Speaker 3: even do that. I would have been like, let me
Speaker 3: see what y'all to say first, and I would have
Speaker 3: watched it and been like, okay, and maybe release a
Speaker 3: statement and that would have been it. But but but
Speaker 3: to you are a forever meme. People ticked how you
Speaker 3: you She's a forever meme. If if if I make
Speaker 3: this faith, you're not getting a promotion at work, right,
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 5: Apologizing, Yes, and this is That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: But she's intimate, So that's what I'm saying. Hated or
Speaker 4: love it?
Speaker 2: Right, She may like that.
Speaker 4: She might like that somebody got.
Speaker 5: To be the bad guy, and and usually those are
Speaker 5: the people who get the most attention. Anyway, she probably
Speaker 5: we probably we probably it probably would have just passed
Speaker 5: us by. If she would have just home, we would
Speaker 5: have for gave reel tyrant and I would have been it.
Speaker 5: We would it would have been going on. It wouldn't
Speaker 5: still be going on. She would have been there forever.
Speaker 5: Means I'm just saying, I'm just paying devil's advocate. I
Speaker 5: never thought about that this she made like this.
Speaker 4: I don't like this. I don't like it because some.
Speaker 2: All narcissists talk about me. Better good, I'm a topic
Speaker 2: of conversation, the.
Speaker 4: Topic of motherfucking conversation. Honey, talk about me. Okay, what
Speaker 4: you said about me? Pay me? Honey? We don't know, okay,
Speaker 4: So and giggles.
Speaker 2: Well, look what's next for you, Takara.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm relaunching. My brawl line is coming out in
Speaker 5: the fall. Yeah, so I have a braw line for
Speaker 5: naturally big breasted women. I'm wearing one today. It has
Speaker 5: no padding, it lifts, it's support, it separates, and it's
Speaker 5: and it's beautiful.
Speaker 4: It's sexy.
Speaker 5: It makes you feel sexy. You want it to be seen,
Speaker 5: because you know the history of girls with big breasts.
Speaker 5: We always wear some ugly brawl and we don't want
Speaker 5: to be seen. It's always the same color, it doesn't
Speaker 5: look cute, doesn't have the best support. Not here, Come
Speaker 5: get your brawl, Come on over here, hit me up.
Speaker 2: And you and are you still doing the sound bath?
Speaker 4: And I do the soundbath? Yes, I love, I love
Speaker 4: I do the sound baths. I do it all over
Speaker 4: the world. Right, I was in Marra Cash.
Speaker 5: I actually did a sound bath over there, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 5: And I do sound baths for corporate corporations, corporations, right.
Speaker 5: I just did one for the ward off Astoria. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: don't even play with me. But I do one for
Speaker 5: the community every thurs Sunday. I do one on a
Speaker 5: soundstage out by the airport. It is beautiful. I do
Speaker 5: it on a big, beautiful sound stage. And then I
Speaker 5: also do one over in Smyrna at like a yoga
Speaker 5: yoga studio. But I've been doing this for about since
Speaker 5: I've been in Atlanta, and I've been in Atlanta about
Speaker 5: four years, but I've been in the wellness field for
Speaker 5: about ten years now.
Speaker 4: I started working with Queena Fula.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, look at you.
Speaker 4: I'm just out here.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, you have made lemonade out of the lemons.
Speaker 4: You really have.
Speaker 2: And listen, we're friends in real life.
Speaker 3: But I'll say this publicly, and you know, I'm proud
Speaker 3: of you, thank you and everything that you're doing. And
Speaker 3: I will go and record saying this. Who she is
Speaker 3: on camera is exactly who she is behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 3: Like we had an interview scheduled last week, Yes, but
Speaker 3: she has some family situation going on, and.
Speaker 2: This is my friends.
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, we'll reschedule it. She's sent me to
Speaker 3: prove that she wasn't. I'm like to car Us, you're
Speaker 3: not somebody. You have nothing to prove to me.
Speaker 2: But no, I want the world to know that fame
Speaker 2: has never changed you.
Speaker 3: You are still the homegirl from Ohio and that's why
Speaker 3: God continuously blesses you, because in real life you are
Speaker 3: a gem. And I'm so proud of you, that in
Speaker 3: this crazy industry, you have not allowed it to change you.
Speaker 3: And that and and and that should be celebrated. And
Speaker 3: I want us to celebrate that more. How listen, you
Speaker 3: can say, well they were mean to me.
Speaker 4: No, No, you had it hard.
Speaker 3: I've had it hard. I'm not mean to people. You're
Speaker 3: not mean to people, so there's no excuse. And that's
Speaker 3: why my biggest thing was character, and your character has all.
Speaker 3: You are the same girl I met back at BT
Speaker 3: and you have not changed. You have not changed one
Speaker 3: and neither of you.
Speaker 5: Your energy, he's so sweet, it's always so kind. You've
Speaker 5: always been about your business. Yes, thank you, I love
Speaker 5: you too.
Speaker 4: Yes, get the world.
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