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Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King.

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Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your

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Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey

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Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and

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Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the

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Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in

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Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or

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Speaker 1: scripted as well.

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Speaker 2: Rain drops.

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Speaker 3: On today's episode of Reality with the King, I am

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Speaker 3: reunited with one of my bestdies, our laugh inter We

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Speaker 3: broke the Internet and fuck the introduction.

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Speaker 4: Yes, you are skinny.

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Speaker 2: Look at yob.

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Speaker 4: You might to stand down, you might have show it off. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: but what you're doing I'm eating ring.

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Speaker 3: That the simping, what it's like, the g l P

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Speaker 3: one drug and something bit what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: No, I promise you what you promise?

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Speaker 4: I want to know tell us.

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Speaker 2: I promise you.

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Speaker 4: I E clean.

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Speaker 2: But you know that's about me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah you do.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna work out fanatic, I'm begging. I don't drink,

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Speaker 3: I don't smoke.

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Speaker 4: Right, you look damn fucking tastic. I mean, look who's talking.

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Speaker 3: Thank you baby, you look good. That wig is everything,

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Speaker 3: Thank you everything.

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Speaker 5: She's a classic, she's ventage China. Yes, it's all the necklace.

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Speaker 5: You know, I wear my ship.

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Speaker 4: You know? Is that? You know? Because it's classic? You see?

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Speaker 5: Yes, how I said restorational because you didn't even help

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Speaker 5: me out restoration.

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Speaker 2: I wasn't even thinking at the time. But what's what's so.

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Speaker 3: Funny out our friendship is the fact that our interview

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Speaker 3: was that last year.

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Speaker 4: I think it was last year.

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Speaker 3: I think it was last year broke the internet. People

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Speaker 3: were saying, Carlos is your best interview?

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Speaker 4: Oh? We were.

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Speaker 2: We were just talking.

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Speaker 5: We were we were just chip chatting everything. But I

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Speaker 5: was thinking when I came over here, I was like,

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Speaker 5: what what?

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Speaker 4: Why was I even on?

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Speaker 3: Carlos?

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Speaker 4: He set me up?

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Speaker 5: God, No, you didn't send me up.

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Speaker 2: Did you hear from some people after our interview?

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Speaker 4: Don't have me so much?

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Speaker 5: It was so fantastic and it went everywhere. The interview

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Speaker 5: went everywhere. A lot of people picked it up.

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Speaker 2: A lot of people pick up their phone and call

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Speaker 2: you bag.

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Speaker 4: Everything was good. I enjoyed being on the show.

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Speaker 2: Carlos, did anybody text you?

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Speaker 3: You know what I was about?

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Speaker 4: To say, yeah, because your muscles.

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Speaker 5: Were like popping, Like you still got a nice shape,

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Speaker 5: but you don't have.

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Speaker 4: That like do you miss that?

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Speaker 2: Amanda?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Hey, all right, okay, well look I'm we're laughing.

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Speaker 2: So rain drops obviously listened.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot going on in the world right now,

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Speaker 3: but the America's Next Top Model documentary has completely broken

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Speaker 3: the internet. You are one of the few who have

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Speaker 3: transcended from that franchise into creating your own brand and

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Speaker 3: your own celebrity.

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Speaker 2: I would I would.

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Speaker 3: Say you Eva, Yaga, Da Costa, Winnie Harlow, you know.

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Speaker 4: Girls, you know the girl you know, I feel like you.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you four especially have definitely taken that

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Speaker 3: momentum and rent with them. But what is so fascinating

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Speaker 3: is with you. You didn't even win.

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't even win.

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Speaker 2: Were you even Top five?

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Speaker 4: No?

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Speaker 5: You were I was seven? Yeah, I was seven. I

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Speaker 5: made it halfway through. I made it halfway through. And

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Speaker 5: also I didn't even get selected. What do you mean, Oh,

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Speaker 5: I think we talked about it before, Like they didn't

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Speaker 5: even pick me to be on the show in the beginning. Right,

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Speaker 5: had to go and reaudition because when I auditioned the

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Speaker 5: first time I didn't get selected, and I was like, oh,

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Speaker 5: somebody made a mistake.

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Speaker 4: What's going on here? Like I need to see who's

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Speaker 5: I think that is the unique thing about me that

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Speaker 5: they didn't pick me originally.

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Speaker 4: So I kind of bummed guard my way up on

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Speaker 5: And then I didn't win the show. I only made

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Speaker 5: it halfway through. But I was the fan favor because

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Speaker 5: back then this is when you called in, everybody was

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Speaker 5: calling us. I was fan favored. And even though I'm

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Speaker 5: not the winner, I'm a winner.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, No, you are.

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Speaker 4: You are.

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Speaker 3: Listen, everybody loves the Kara you go by one name.

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Speaker 3: You're the only to car that we know. But what

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Speaker 3: I want to talk to you about, and we'll get

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Speaker 3: to the particulars of the documentary. One of the biggest

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Speaker 3: things that came out of it was each woman that

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Speaker 3: they featured talked about their experience. So before I get

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Speaker 3: into the details and get your thoughts on it, I

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Speaker 3: do want to just ask you, like, what was your

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Speaker 3: experience being on Top Model?

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Speaker 4: My experience being on the Top Model.

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Speaker 5: Ooh, I was twenty nineteen, twenty years old.

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Speaker 4: I loved Tyra.

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Speaker 5: I had always wanted to be a model. I had

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Speaker 5: started modeling when I was fourteen years old. I was

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Speaker 5: going to the agencies fifteen, sixteen, seventeen eighteen, so I

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Speaker 5: was already in that world. And then the only black

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Speaker 5: models that we knew were Tira, Naomi Aman, Beverly, you know,

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Speaker 5: And it was very hard. I didn't even know that

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Speaker 5: plus size even existed, right there was.

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Speaker 4: I couldn't.

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Speaker 5: I couldn't name you a plus size model. I couldn't

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Speaker 5: even I didn't even know the term. I don't even

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Speaker 5: even know who used the term. So seeing Tire or

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Speaker 5: seeing she's doing the reality show, knowing me I've already

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Speaker 5: been modeled, I'm like, this is what I need. And

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Speaker 5: I was already going to New York. I was like,

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Speaker 5: oh yeah, and I want to be on TV. I

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Speaker 5: got a great personality, bring it on. That's why I

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Speaker 4: I was like, I'm here. I'm here. I'm big, black,

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Speaker 5: I mean for me and I come from Dayton, Ohio, Right,

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Speaker 5: I come from the projects, I come from the hood.

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Speaker 4: I come from poverty. Right, So.

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Speaker 5: I've already experienced a lot. I've already seen a lot.

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Speaker 5: I've already dealt with a lot. I was e mascipated

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Speaker 5: like I wanted to do what we gotta do? You

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Speaker 5: want me to cut my hair? You want me to

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Speaker 5: what do you want me to do? You wanna shave

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Speaker 5: my head ball? I tell him, like you shave my

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Speaker 5: head ball. I'm still gonna walk around here like what

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Speaker 5: you want me to do? Because I'm trying to make

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Speaker 5: it out. I'm you know, I'm confident, but I will

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Speaker 5: say that it was a controlled environment, right, So we

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Speaker 5: were in a controlled environment. We were micd up all

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Speaker 5: the time, and and looking back as a mature, grown woman,

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Speaker 5: basically where we were like rats in the mice trap,

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Speaker 5: you know what I'm saying, Like we were controlled on

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Speaker 5: which way we could go or not go, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: we had a decision to go right and left, but

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Speaker 5: if you in a certain way, there might be a roadblock.

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Speaker 4: You might have to turn around and go back the

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Speaker 3: You know what do you mean by that in terms

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Speaker 3: of like if you were you controlled and felt like

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Speaker 3: you were a mouse and a lab experiment is because

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Speaker 3: you obviously, well one.

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Speaker 5: Insight one from like remembering an experience when I was

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Speaker 5: doing it during that time. It's like in the beginning

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Speaker 5: of Top Model, the like like the first or Steven episode,

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Speaker 5: I think you see where they was like, well Eva

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Speaker 5: and everyone has said something about Eva, and they did

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Speaker 5: a clip and you see all these girls go say

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Speaker 5: her name, Poper name out there. You didn't see me

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Speaker 5: say that, but the producers backstage, they were trying to

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Speaker 5: get you to say, like, well, what.

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Speaker 4: Do you think about Eva? What about Eva?

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Speaker 5: Like you know, they would, you know, get you, you know,

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Speaker 5: get you to say things, but it was up to

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Speaker 4: You still had to say it.

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Speaker 5: But they were very that was their job too, as

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Speaker 5: we know now, so right, so being in that experience

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Speaker 5: back then we didn't know, but that was one of

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Speaker 5: the experiences where but looking back at it as a

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Speaker 5: grown woman like, oh yeah, that was a definitely control environment.

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Speaker 5: Like when they were not having clothes in my size,

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Speaker 5: they could definitely get closed in my size.

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Speaker 4: I get dressed every day.

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Speaker 5: I said it on the show, like I wanted to

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Speaker 5: first the ball slap that bitch who pinched me, and

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Speaker 5: I wanted to.

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Speaker 4: I wanted to, you know, but it's like, oh on

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Speaker 3: Our fairness, you did you did not want to lose

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Speaker 3: the competition competition? Yeah, and and defend yourself the same

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Speaker 3: way that Kenya was being.

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Speaker 4: And moaned on and all those things. Yeah, correct, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, could you didn't feel comfortable speaking out.

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 5: Well, no, because you want to win and you're right,

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Speaker 5: did it? You're in a competition and it and like

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Speaker 5: I said, it's control environment and looking back on it, right,

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Speaker 5: like they I got eliminated because they said I didn't

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Speaker 2: What what's so interesting about the day you got for

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Speaker 2: real exhibit as real?

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Speaker 3: No? Yeah, and I remember the pickure they chose of

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Speaker 3: you with your with the hat on and stuff, the

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Speaker 3: back list photo and you're looking like this.

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Speaker 4: But well that's another thing too. I always felt that.

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Speaker 5: That they don't think they always chose the best photos,

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Speaker 5: Like I watched the DIG documentary and everything, but still

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Speaker 5: I'm like, I know those couldn't have been the best photos,

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Speaker 5: but it was admitted in the documentary like later on,

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Speaker 5: but I'm in the beginning of I'm season cycle three.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I want to go back to the EVA

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Speaker 3: thing because I remember watching the EVA season and Tyra

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Speaker 3: and the panel did say we're hearing pretty much you're.

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Speaker 2: Bitch, and like you said, they flashed back to that.

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Speaker 3: In hindsight, do you think that the producers were setting

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Speaker 3: even Eva up to be the villain of that season

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Speaker 3: since they didn't ask you guys talk to us about

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Speaker 3: Eva talks to us by Eva was even really being

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Speaker 3: a bitch behind the scenes or was it or exaggerated?

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Speaker 5: Hmm, I'm gonna say it was fifty to fifty because

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Speaker 5: Eva does. She's a scorpio, she's feisty, she got her personality,

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Speaker 5: she's confident. You see how she walked up in that

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Speaker 5: room like she was given very much. Eva the diva,

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Speaker 5: but even it was a sweetheart to me. Eva was

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Speaker 5: a sweetheart to me. Eva said, my bed with me,

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Speaker 5: helped me stitch up my dress. Eva shared with me,

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Speaker 4: Got most of y'all. Bet y'all, y'all. It's not even

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Speaker 5: I mean, my experience with Tyra was was totally different

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Speaker 4: Weren't you in a bad way towards me? You know?

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Speaker 4: Until this documentary. But I don't even mean it like that.

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Speaker 4: When I first seen I said they did a documentary, I.

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Speaker 5: I didn't see Eva.

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Speaker 4: Then I didn't see ya Yah. I'm like, okay, Yah,

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Speaker 5: It, right, So no, I'm not on it me even

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Speaker 2: Why do you think they on perfect because that's a choice.

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Speaker 4: Oh no, it's definitely a choice.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the reason why the directors then I

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Speaker 5: They didn't contact me because I didn't have a negative

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Speaker 3: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King.

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Speaker 3: Let's get back into the show. And that's what I

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Speaker 3: I looked at the documentary. I am the biggest fan

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Speaker 3: It felt like they definitely wanted this to be nothing

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Speaker 3: Now, look, Tyra definitely didn't help herself out with the

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Speaker 4: You're not the mother.

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Speaker 2: So we definitely didn't see that.

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Speaker 3: But when you watched a documentary, was it hard for

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Speaker 5: That was a good question. I was heartbroken. I was heartbroken.

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I thought when I watched the documentary and I've

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Speaker 5: And if she would have just said that, you know,

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Speaker 5: At thirteenth, nineteen eighty two because wikipedm messed up my stuff.

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Speaker 5: this is what happens, right when you go out to

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00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 5: a competition. This is and this is interesting to see

444
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 5: what happens to all the hundreds of thousand girls who

445
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 5: came out to audition for a show that there was

446
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 5: only going to be one winner, Like.

447
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 4: We all have to take in that factor, you know.

448
00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 5: Some girls dropped out of school, some girls left their jobs,

449
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 5: Like these are life changing choices that you have to

450
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 5: that you were conscious of, and you know there's only

451
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 5: one spot, you know. So it brought to light right

452
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 5: unveiled what really happens in the real world. There are

453
00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 5: plenty of girls who then came out and tried to

454
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:35,640
Speaker 5: make it in this modeling world. And the mardeling world

455
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 5: is very tough and it's very limited, it's very short lived,

456
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,800
Speaker 5: you know. So watching it, I was like wow, because

457
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 5: these are the stories that I want to see of,

458
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 5: like what happens when you do go back home and

459
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 5: you don't have you know, what you thought you were

460
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,840
Speaker 5: going to get and it you know, the letdown, And

461
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:02,800
Speaker 5: the thing is it happened to me too, right when

462
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 5: I got eliminated. People from Top Model didn't reach out

463
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 5: to me.

464
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 4: They didn't.

465
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 5: Follow up with me. Tyra did give me her number.

466
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 5: She did ever ever had any questions and stuff, I

467
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 5: can call. But it wasn't like I got off the

468
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 5: show and they Top Model created opportunities where oh, you

469
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,520
Speaker 5: can go to this agency or you know, gathered us

470
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 5: and made us like a America's Next Top Model sorority

471
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,080
Speaker 5: or association a handbook. Right like we all were let go.

472
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 5: We got eliminated, and we all were let go. That's

473
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 5: my story too. But my goal was when I was

474
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 5: on the show, my goal was, Oh, just get me

475
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 5: on TV.

476
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 4: Somebody just need to see me. I just need to

477
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 4: get me.

478
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 5: Here first, my dad was My first goal was let

479
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 5: me get on TV. Like I said earlier, Oh I audition,

480
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 5: they didn't pick me. Oh I was in the wrong room.

481
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 5: The right person didn't see me, you know, like no, like,

482
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,919
Speaker 5: oh no, let me get on and because of the

483
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 5: show I did see. I think it was like a

484
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 5: Twitter or ex or I don't know, some social media

485
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 5: posts where it's like I remember when a car got eliminated.

486
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,959
Speaker 5: My office was calling her phone calling her from Astrey

487
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 5: Stewart because we wanted to give her a deal with

488
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 5: Ashley Stewart.

489
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 4: And it's so true. I remember them calling me.

490
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 5: They send a car, black car to my house, and

491
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,360
Speaker 5: I thought that this is what happens to all the girls.

492
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: I didn't even really realize that I was special like that,

493
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

494
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 5: But it is true, like they blew me up, shout

495
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 5: out to Ashley Stewart. They blew me down there and

496
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 5: it was fun. I didn't even have an agent. I

497
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 5: didn't have nothing. That's why I didn't know, you know,

498
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 5: and different people just saw after me once again because

499
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 5: I was on TV. People saw me and they came

500
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 5: for me. But Top Model gave me that platform. They

501
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 5: didn't necessary help me after the show, but then Tyrod did.

502
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 5: Once I would start doing Ashy Stewart, start doing other things,

503
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 5: and then you know, I worked with BT. So now

504
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: I'm in the circle. And so now I'm running into

505
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 5: Tyra or I moved to LA and so Tyra has

506
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 5: called me to work on her model land to you know,

507
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 5: do a photo shoot to be part of her talk show.

508
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 5: You know, I was in Italian Vogue. I got fourteen

509
00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: pages that wasn't because of Tyra that was because of

510
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 5: Tracy Christian. Thank you, Yeah, on and on.

511
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

512
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 3: The thing is this, the reason why I love this

513
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 3: conversation is because two things can be true.

514
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. I'm a fencer. I'm like this

515
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 4: two things.

516
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: No no, no, no no, no, You're not a fencer. It's your reality.

517
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 2: This is the thing.

518
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: The reason why I had to really say, like, look, guys,

519
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 3: they didn't contact a kara Eva and from my understanding,

520
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: Yaga da Costa because publicly they've never said anything disparaging

521
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 3: about Tyra. And listen, I'm not here to defend Tyra

522
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,720
Speaker 3: because Tyra, in my opinion, did a his poor job

523
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 3: defending herself.

524
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: So I'm not here to do that.

525
00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: But what I am here is to offer that Look,

526
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 3: everybody had a different experience, and what I feel like, listen,

527
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 3: you and our friends in real life, so you never,

528
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 3: even our private conversations, ever say anything bad about your

529
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 3: experience of Tomado or Retira. And the thing is, I

530
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: think this what I'm hearing is I was a woman

531
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 3: who was going to get it by any means necessary,

532
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: in the sense of put me on and I'll take

533
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 3: care of the rest, because I'll let my ambition take

534
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: me and open up doors, because you really wanted this

535
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 3: same thing with Eva Eva one. But there's listen, there's

536
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 3: been twenty four other winners. Let's have a real conversation,

537
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 3: and Eva is the most. I don't think people understand

538
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 3: how Eva is relevant and that show her seas y'all

539
00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: season on two thousand and five something like that. So

540
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: it is about the fact that everybody experience is different.

541
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 3: And yes, when it comes to what they didn't help me,

542
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: I didn't look at that and say it's not the

543
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: producer's job.

544
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 4: And so I said, did she owe us that? Did

545
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 4: she promise us that? No, they didn't.

546
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 5: Always they didn't say they were going to, Okay, you're

547
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 5: going to show it after the show, We're gonna take

548
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 5: care of you, We're gonna help you out, or you know,

549
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 5: there was no sideals. There was no we didn't get paid.

550
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 5: You know, nothing of those things happened. But I will

551
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 5: say this too watching the documentary, because I wasn't unaware

552
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 5: of a lot of these things too, because honestly, after

553
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 5: my season, I was popping.

554
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 4: I really didn't watch the show.

555
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 5: I didn't go back for the All Star and tyre

556
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 5: called me for that too, and I turned it down.

557
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 4: She called me.

558
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 2: Again, like why did you turn it down?

559
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:48,920
Speaker 4: Because I went' get paid?

560
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 5: They say he can't pay you, And it was like,

561
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 5: I'm working, I live in LA, I got bills. It's

562
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 5: like it's the world world. I'm getting offers. I did

563
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 5: Celebrity Fit Club, you know. And then I guess I

564
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 5: felt a little bad in hindsight because it's like, damn,

565
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 5: I guess I should have did didn't.

566
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.

567
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 5: I do feel a little bad that I didn't do

568
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 5: it because I did get my start, But I was like.

569
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: What what is it going to do for me that

570
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 4: I'm not doing like I'm doing it.

571
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 2: You're not getting paid.

572
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 4: For everything? Yeah, but I'm there, I'm getting nothing. I'm

573
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 4: not getting nothing. That's not do you think that's messed up?

574
00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 3: But I'm like, okay, I could see if you turned

575
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: it down and you felt like you should have got

576
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 3: more money, Like you give.

577
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 4: Me something, I got bills to pay. You want me

578
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: to like not that, and.

579
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: Listen, you weren't making offers in other places, I mean

580
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: getting offers in other places.

581
00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 2: So I don't think you should feel bad about that.

582
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 4: Thank you, But what I was saying, thank you was that.

583
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 5: Was that when I watched the show right and I

584
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: see the other people's stories that I wasn't aware of

585
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 5: or knew about, it does make me feel like I

586
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 5: don't want to be I don't want to be friends

587
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: with someone who is nice to me but not not

588
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 5: nice to everyone else. Or I don't want to be

589
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 5: in a relationship with a man who's good to me,

590
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 5: but it's treating a waiter some kind of where, you know,

591
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 5: treating a valet some kind of way.

592
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 4: You know.

593
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 5: So it's like that fence because like just because they're

594
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 5: nice to you doesn't make it right, you know, how

595
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 5: they treat other people.

596
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 4: That's like a character trait, you know.

597
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 5: So then it does my heart does go out to

598
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 5: the jays, you know, the contestants. You know, it's like,

599
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 5: once again, the truth is the truth. That wasn't right,

600
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 5: you know what's it right?

601
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: When you.

602
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: Heard Shandy story about.

603
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 3: Being said, and I'm saying sad because it's YouTube and

604
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: they have their they have regulations, but she mentioned being

605
00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: said when she was drinking and she said, the producer said,

606
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 3: we're gonna buite the guys over to the house, and

607
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 3: they filmed her having sex. She said she was not

608
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 3: even in her right state of mind and she was

609
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: pretty much assaulted. When you hear her story about what happened,

610
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 3: and they filmed her contacting her boyfriend and you know,

611
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 3: she's crying and he's crying. And even when they asked

612
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 3: Tyra like can talk about Shandy's story and she's like,

613
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 3: I think, what were your thoughts about.

614
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 4: All of that?

615
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 5: That's what I mean about the vulnerability and the empathy.

616
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 5: And I guess also like watching everything that you know,

617
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 5: everything is online so you can see everything. And it's like, Tyra,

618
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 5: you did know you had her on a talk show,

619
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 5: you talked about that, you talked about editing, you talked

620
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 5: about the family. You know, you knew she didn't want

621
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 5: to see it, and it's like you just didn't validate her,

622
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 5: and then to do the documentary instill not But even

623
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 5: when is it, mister J, even when mister J and

624
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 5: the phone call, like you know and missus Jay, everybody,

625
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 5: I don't like you said she didn't do a good

626
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 5: job at defending herself.

627
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 4: She she.

628
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 5: She didn't do a good job at defending herself. I

629
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 5: don't know how I can defend somebody.

630
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: Who didn't do a good job at definished stuff.

631
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 5: And I'm not trying to defend her, right, I'm not

632
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 5: trying to defend her. She showed up, she did the interview.

633
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 5: You know, I'm just speaking on my experience, and I

634
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 5: can't jump ship or change my experience. But I can

635
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 5: recognize what happened, and I can't see, you know, I

636
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 5: can see clearly like everybody else can see that that

637
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:51,320
Speaker 5: wasn't right, you know, and.

638
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 4: Right, that wasn't right.

639
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 5: A lot of things that happened. And once again, if

640
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 5: everyone got the same story, it gotta be some truth

641
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 5: in it. And even before I got on TV or Hollywood,

642
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 5: people used to talk about tier too, you know, godsaid

643
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 5: that she was.

644
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 4: Cheap or not nice to people at restaurants or whatever.

645
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 4: These are just rumors.

646
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: So I don't mean to keep spreading rumors, but just

647
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 5: to add to the narrative that we were talking about,

648
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 5: you know, she has have had a reputation of maybe

649
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 5: not being such the nicest person. And then to see

650
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: the contestants, I mean, I was there with Tiffany was

651
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 5: on the show too, you know, because but you know,

652
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,080
Speaker 5: with the contestants, with the judges, it's just not nice

653
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,480
Speaker 5: and it's heartbreaking.

654
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 4: It's heartbreaking.

655
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: Were you shocked when you heard that Miss J who

656
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,919
Speaker 2: at the time of filming and film last year, he suffered.

657
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: A stroke, had a stroke. He taught her how to walk.

658
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 4: You know, they've been friends and she was a teenager.

659
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 5: Both of them, mister J and missus J, been friends

660
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 5: with them since they were teenagers. Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

661
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 5: It was just it was very heartfelt. And then like

662
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 5: missus J is my girl. She was like this, Yeah,

663
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 5: I love her too. And she felt like the most

664
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 5: closest to home on the show. You know, she was

665
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 5: like my black girlfriend. You know, she was like she

666
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 5: felt the closest to home on the show that we

667
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 5: could touch and talk to and interact with. So yeah,

668
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 5: and for her to try and even just everybody, I'm

669
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 5: just shocked, Like I I'm shocked, and I really can't

670
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,320
Speaker 5: believe she I don't know, I don't you know what

671
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 5: I think?

672
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 4: So right, So this is my thing too for Tyra

673
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: right look at you right now.

674
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 5: So she's the producer too, so she's coming from both

675
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 5: ends of it. She's trying to be professional and give

676
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 5: the correct answers.

677
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: Or not put. I don't know what she was trying

678
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 4: to do, but.

679
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 5: She had a guard up, right, so she was very

680
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 5: guarded and she wanted to give off. I don't know

681
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 5: what she thought she was even enough she missed the mark,

682
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 5: but I don't think that that was her intentions, right.

683
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 5: She felt like she showed up. She felt like she

684
00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 5: was you know, I don't know what she felt like.

685
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 5: I'm going to tell you, Okay, tell me.

686
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: I don't know tyber Banks, right, I saw a woman

687
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 3: who chose she just like how they how they did

688
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,479
Speaker 3: not contact y'all.

689
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 2: They did contact her and she could have.

690
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 5: Said no, And I feel like they gave her a

691
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: test of her taste of her own medicine, because like

692
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 5: how we did reality and they edited too, and they

693
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 5: showed it like I don't know how the editing process

694
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 5: was too, but it was like the way they edited

695
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 5: too could have well did play a big part in

696
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 5: it because we don't know the funt well.

697
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: I mean, that's a fair assessment, and that's why I

698
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 3: have to say, listen, I'm gonna give I'm gonna I

699
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: want to give my audience.

700
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 2: The entire scope. What I will say is she chose.

701
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: To do it.

702
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 2: This woman who I adored.

703
00:37:01,200 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 3: Growing up watching her be a black woman creating a

704
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 3: show where she had ownership that is rare in this business.

705
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 3: And for it to be a franchise in other countries,

706
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:12,759
Speaker 3: that's insane.

707
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 5: And that's what I think too, because it's like, what

708
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 5: do you do when you have that much power and

709
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 5: you have that much control?

710
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 4: You know what I mean?

711
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: Because we sit here and we can get criticize, or

712
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 5: we can come up with what I would do, what

713
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 5: I wouldn't do.

714
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 4: But she did it right, and she had all this power,

715
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 4: all this fame, and.

716
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 5: I've I haven't had that kind of success, right, but

717
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 5: the type I have been tempted by things right, And.

718
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 3: You don't know, Well, my thing is this, I'm gonna

719
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 3: tell you what I would have wished. I'm a producer,

720
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 3: I produced. My first reality job was two thousand and eight.

721
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,400
Speaker 3: I tell my brain drops. I wasn't an EP, I

722
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 3: wasn't an associate producer very much on the bottom of

723
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 3: total poll. I can look at that show and be like, oh, damn,

724
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 3: we did shoot Kim Zosiak having a rit solo cup

725
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 3: driving her car. Presumably it could be alcohol in it.

726
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 3: We would never do that today. But I can look,

727
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: I can look with fresh eyes eighteen years later it Oh,

728
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:19,720
Speaker 3: that wasn't great for us to shoot.

729
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 2: But so it's.

730
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 3: Acknowledging that, look at that time, some things not everything

731
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 3: that happened, but there are some things you could have said, like, uh,

732
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,839
Speaker 3: I think the thing with Tyra was more so when

733
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 3: I say this, I'm not trying to be a mean

734
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 3: sold me. I think she's a narcissist. I think she

735
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:40,760
Speaker 3: is somebody you can't tell.

736
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 2: Her what to do.

737
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. I agree that she

738
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 5: is the bad guy. You know that she don't mind

739
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 5: being the bad guy, right, and that like whether you're

740
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: famous or infamous, you know, it's like someone gotta be

741
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 5: evil carel you know.

742
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: Like she no, no, no. The thing with Tyra for

743
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:06,680
Speaker 2: me was you chose to do it because your ego.

744
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 3: You could not have Netflix, the biggest streaming platform, talk

745
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,160
Speaker 3: about a show you created, you and you're not a

746
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 3: part of it. And I think her ego got the

747
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 3: best of her. And to me, yes, you can make

748
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 3: mistakes in your professional career.

749
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 5: We all do.

750
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: There's not one person breathing that can look back and say, oh,

751
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 3: I would have done things differently. We're human and that's

752
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 3: the beautiful thing about life is growth. However, the one

753
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 3: thing that Tyra has that you can't make up, edit

754
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 3: make mistakes about is your character.

755
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: Till this day, this man.

756
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: Taught you how to walk and that show was successful,

757
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: Yes because of her, but baby, also because of him,

758
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: mister Jay and Nijo.

759
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: The fact that you can't even.

760
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 3: Say, baby, here's a couple of thousand we ain't gotta speak,

761
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 3: but here you go. Even the fact that mister Jay

762
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 3: is somebody who y'all grew up in the game together.

763
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,879
Speaker 3: And yes he quit, but during filming you will only

764
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 3: talk to him on camera and during breaks you would

765
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: give him a cold shoulder. Until this day, when they

766
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 3: brought up his name, you say I should call him.

767
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: A year later he announced you haven't called him. That

768
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 3: to me is character. And that's of all the things

769
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 3: I was disappointed in the character of the woman. The

770
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 3: fact that outside of you not acknowledging your role in

771
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 3: the television production. And yes, she's right, bosses have bosses.

772
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 3: She is one thousand percent right. She's one thousand percent right.

773
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 3: When she had to defend herself against Les Moonvez where

774
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 3: they almost fought she was right in that reguard, but

775
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: acknowledge that, Hey, guys, I could have done things differently.

776
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 4: Here I was.

777
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 6: I was trying to teach the girls how the modeling

778
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 6: industry was at a time, and guess what, I may

779
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 6: have failed them, and I'm sorry we all have been

780
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 6: like But to me, it was.

781
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 3: Her character of how till this day, these men who

782
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: made your show what it is too you can even

783
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 3: fly to meet them in your trench coat, but you

784
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 3: can fly to the green screen of a Netflix documentary.

785
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:41,879
Speaker 2: That to me is character. And I can't. I can't

786
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 2: reconcile that. I can't.

787
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: You can't fly to visit this man in the hospital,

788
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 3: but you can fly to go to set and say.

789
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: Cycle twenty five, we have so much in store for you.

790
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to see Cycle twenty five.

791
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: Well, you created was so magnificent in the sense of

792
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 3: it's in the pop culture history.

793
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: Let it go, sist, let it go?

794
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 4: Yeah?

795
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 2: Would you would? Would you want to?

796
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 5: I mean I said this though earlier in the conversation,

797
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 5: that that is character, right. You don't want someone I

798
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 5: can't say, oh, well, my experience was nice, so she's

799
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 5: not this person. Two things could be true. They are true.

800
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 5: That's terrible. The please you haven't even known me as

801
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 5: long as you've known these people. These are your friends,

802
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 5: your real friends, right You're sleeping in their beds, going

803
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,800
Speaker 5: to their homes, You're having real conversations.

804
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 4: He's still so respectful.

805
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 5: It's I know things about her that I'm still not

806
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 5: going to talk about, right, So, like a true friend,

807
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 5: right So yeah, like no, that is character.

808
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: I'm a grown woman.

809
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 5: I would tell my child, I would tell my sister, like,

810
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 5: you know, watch out for people, how watch how they

811
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 5: treat other people. Watch believe people when they show you

812
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 5: who they are, you know, like, and everyone's not making

813
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 5: these stories up. It's a list. It was not just

814
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 5: one or two people who have a story. I think

815
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 5: the scale our weighs itself.

816
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: Do you think it's unfair that Tyra is the only

817
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 3: person giving them backlash? And do you think mister J

818
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 3: Miss j Nigel, do you think they should also share

819
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 3: in some of that backlash too?

820
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 4: Yes? I think so.

821
00:43:25,000 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 5: I think they should share in some of the backlash too,

822
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 5: because they are the judges and you know, they were

823
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 5: key king and going along or whatever, you know, Like, yeah,

824
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 5: I think everyone should just admit to it.

825
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:39,280
Speaker 4: It's fine.

826
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 5: I mean, you know it's twenty something, twenty plus years ago.

827
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 5: Twenty plus years ago. We are not the same people.

828
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 4: So yes, like missus J admitted it, Mister J admitted it.

829
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 5: He said, you know, he Tyra and Janice was going

830
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 5: at it, and so he would be a little more

831
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 5: feisy with Janet, you know, so you know, to help.

832
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: Tire out right, So you did say that.

833
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 5: He did say that, Yes, they they're they're just there

834
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,399
Speaker 5: ca who I just to show, right, I did miss

835
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 5: stick House on the Shade Room.

836
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 4: I had judges.

837
00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,320
Speaker 5: I'm the host, you know, like, yeah, we and Caho's

838
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 5: we're friends, like the different layers, you know, So.

839
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, they should sharing some of that, and I think

840
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 4: they are. That's what I say. They We're not giving it.

841
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 5: They're not putting the fire on them, but I think

842
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 5: if we did, they would, and I think they are

843
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 5: slowly omitting. Like yeah, you know, I've heard missus Jay,

844
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 5: mister J say like what I hear him say. I

845
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 5: don't want to misquote them, but basically they are he

846
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 5: has you know, like, did I make some bad choices

847
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:42,400
Speaker 5: that I did not do?

848
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 4: Some things? You know, Yeah, it's not running from it.

849
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: When it comes to the legacy of Top Model, do you.

850
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: Does it sadden you a bit? Because one thing that

851
00:44:54,200 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 3: Eva Togail King was it was like we were like

852
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,840
Speaker 3: these sorority sisters, like we were part of this club

853
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 3: of top model girls. And she said the same thing

854
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: you said. She said, I had no idea what was

855
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: going on behind the scenes. It wasn't my experience. However,

856
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: I can acknowledge what I've been shown and that that's

857
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 3: messed up. Does it sad in you a bit that

858
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 3: this show that, for all intents and purposes, we know

859
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: you because of that show.

860
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: We know Eva because of that show. Same with y'all, y'all.

861
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 2: The list goes on and on.

862
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 3: Is it sad that this show that made Jorn famous

863
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 3: and gave y'all a big break is now being diminished

864
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 3: based on this dark cloud that's not over it?

865
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 4: Do I think it's being diminished?

866
00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 2: Like there's a negative stain?

867
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 4: And now I never looked at it like that. But

868
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 4: the truth is I was on cycle three.

869
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 5: After certain cycles anyway, we already they had to staying

870
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 5: a stigma to it. They said it, you know, in

871
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 5: the documentary, it's like Oh, she's a top model girl.

872
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,640
Speaker 5: So girls thought that they were going to America's next

873
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 5: Top Model and because they were on Top Model that

874
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 5: doors were open, but doors were shut because they were

875
00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 5: on Top Model.

876
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:30,800
Speaker 4: No, that wasn't That's what I'm saying. But I was

877
00:46:30,840 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 4: in season three.

878
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 5: I was there before that started before I don't know

879
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 5: when it began, but lucky for me that I was

880
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,880
Speaker 5: in the beginning before it had that type of stigma

881
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 5: to it.

882
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 3: Brandy another winner, that's the one who said that it

883
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 3: opened up no doors for her, and there was this

884
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: negative connotation that the modey industry felt that if you

885
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 3: came from that show, we don't want from.

886
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 5: All the girls, all the top model girls because they

887
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 5: were looking at me. And so when they would come

888
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 5: to me to Carra well you know, and they would

889
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 5: tell me this. So I did hear this, like they

890
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 5: don't want us because they don't want me because I

891
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 5: was on Top Model, or I've been turned away because

892
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 5: I was on Top Model. They yeah, this was then

893
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 5: it was said verbally like that that there was a

894
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 5: hard time because I was on the show. I've heard

895
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 5: it from multiple girls in real time back then. So

896
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 5: this that that part wasn't new to me.

897
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: Danielle said that.

898
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,439
Speaker 5: When she and that broke my heart when I heard

899
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 5: Danielle and she said that. Tyra said, yeah, there were

900
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 5: doors that you rooms that you didn't come into because

901
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 5: you know, I was on the fence with you, you know,

902
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 5: or I didn't give you the stemp of approval or

903
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 5: however way she phrased that, And that's very hurtful. And

904
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 5: I felt like, Wow, why would you even say that?

905
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 5: Like what was if you did that, that's terrible. And

906
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 5: then too to admit it and say it years fifteen

907
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 5: years later. That's so hurtful. That's just like another like job.

908
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 5: I feel like when you say things out your mouth,

909
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 5: you should ask yourself, isn't necessary?

910
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:09,840
Speaker 4: Is it kind?

911
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: You know?

912
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: I think, don't just let things. I thought that was

913
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 4: I thought that was fucked up.

914
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: No, it is, it is, it's it's it's it's I

915
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 3: don't know. I what what what would you like for

916
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 3: Tyra to do? If Tyra is watching right now, Sokara,

917
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 3: what would.

918
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: You say to her?

919
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 4: I love you so much, Carlos King? If what would

920
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 4: I like.

921
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:48,480
Speaker 2: Tyra to do or know or hear from you? Because

922
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: in your defense.

923
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 5: You.

924
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 4: You know what I think, I do.

925
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 5: This is what I think, and I've always thought this,

926
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 5: and I believe I've always said this too. I do

927
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 5: wish that Tyra, and I know it was not her responsibility,

928
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 5: she don't owe it to us or anything, but I

929
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 5: would have loved if she would have really made us

930
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 5: into a sorority or a you know, just like we.

931
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 4: I probably need to do it.

932
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 5: I'm about to start a top Model association or something

933
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 5: really because we all these beautiful girls, all these we

934
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 5: could have had an agency. I don't know, just so

935
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 5: much potential that was just left and no one came

936
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 5: along to help or pick us up. Like I do

937
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 5: wish that there was some after maths, some after care

938
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 5: for us.

939
00:49:36,680 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 4: I do wish that. I do wish that.

940
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 5: And even when we're like other shows they would do

941
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 5: things with their contestants, you know, I don't know, like

942
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 5: Real World or it was like other shows that would

943
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 5: take their contestants and maybe they made them do competitions.

944
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,760
Speaker 4: Or do you know, it was just different things.

945
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 5: You know that different networks too, you know VH one,

946
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,360
Speaker 5: B Table, you know, bring people back and do reunion

947
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 5: shows or you know, like just yeah, maybe.

948
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 2: You're on the real world, then you could be.

949
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 4: On the own exactly.

950
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: You know.

951
00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 5: Now I kind of got traders and you you were

952
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 5: on this show, you know, like where is ours? Why

953
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 5: are we not doing the like yeah, I really wish

954
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 5: that that we had opportunity to do that. That would

955
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 5: have been awesome.

956
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: Well, it was the last time you communicated or had

957
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 2: any communication.

958
00:50:26,560 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 5: The last time I talked to Tyr we were I

959
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,560
Speaker 5: was actually working with her on her model lamp. Well,

960
00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 5: I wasn't working with her, but she called me to

961
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 5: do some merch what you call it. Yeah, so we

962
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 5: did a photo shoot but it never got released. And

963
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 5: that was back right before the pandemic happened. And then

964
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 5: she switched up because I don't know if you remember

965
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 5: the model lamp, remember model? And so after that, now

966
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 5: she's doing ice cream. And that hurt my feelings too,

967
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 5: because I did hear her say, hey, my legacy I wanted.

968
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 4: You know, just like beauty is fading. You know.

969
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 5: It was vanity, which is true, which is like, but

970
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 5: I want my legacy to be ice cream.

971
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 4: It's like you have you already? Yeah that hurt, No,

972
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 4: that hurt No, no.

973
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 2: No, I'm not laughing at that part. I'm just laughing

974
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: at the fact that.

975
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 3: You listen, I'm gonna give this black woman all the

976
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:28,800
Speaker 3: props in the world legendary supermodel.

977
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:30,160
Speaker 2: Legacy.

978
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 3: Just I mean, I sometimes and y'all do to watch

979
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 3: her runaway walks and mama had the I and the

980
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: T inmy award winning talk show host. Yes, do you

981
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:49,120
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying? And to say that I want

982
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 3: my legacy to be ice cream is wild. And that's

983
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: the reason why.

984
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 2: Listen. Everything happens for a reason.

985
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 3: If I was Tabard Banks and I knew I wasn't

986
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: going to give any rulnerability, I would not have as

987
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 3: it would have been because the thing is this, if

988
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: if and this is why you gotta have a good

989
00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: team around you and listen, maybe her team just say like,

990
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 3: you are in no position based on what you're telling guys,

991
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 3: even do that. I would have been like, let me

992
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 3: see what y'all to say first, and I would have

993
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 3: watched it and been like, okay, and maybe release a

994
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,719
Speaker 3: statement and that would have been it. But but but

995
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: to you are a forever meme. People ticked how you

996
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: you She's a forever meme. If if if I make

997
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 3: this faith, you're not getting a promotion at work, right,

998
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 3: I'm not.

999
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 5: Apologizing, Yes, and this is That's what I'm saying.

1000
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: But she's intimate, So that's what I'm saying. Hated or

1001
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: love it?

1002
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: Right, She may like that.

1003
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 4: She might like that somebody got.

1004
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 5: To be the bad guy, and and usually those are

1005
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:00,320
Speaker 5: the people who get the most attention. Anyway, she probably

1006
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 5: we probably we probably it probably would have just passed

1007
00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 5: us by. If she would have just home, we would

1008
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 5: have for gave reel tyrant and I would have been it.

1009
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 5: We would it would have been going on. It wouldn't

1010
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 5: still be going on. She would have been there forever.

1011
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 5: Means I'm just saying, I'm just paying devil's advocate. I

1012
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 5: never thought about that this she made like this.

1013
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 4: I don't like this. I don't like it because some.

1014
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 2: All narcissists talk about me. Better good, I'm a topic

1015
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 2: of conversation, the.

1016
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: Topic of motherfucking conversation. Honey, talk about me. Okay, what

1017
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:47,760
Speaker 4: you said about me? Pay me? Honey? We don't know, okay,

1018
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:49,640
Speaker 4: So and giggles.

1019
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,840
Speaker 2: Well, look what's next for you, Takara.

1020
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 5: Well, I'm relaunching. My brawl line is coming out in

1021
00:53:56,640 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 5: the fall. Yeah, so I have a braw line for

1022
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 5: naturally big breasted women. I'm wearing one today. It has

1023
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 5: no padding, it lifts, it's support, it separates, and it's

1024
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 5: and it's beautiful.

1025
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:11,720
Speaker 4: It's sexy.

1026
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 5: It makes you feel sexy. You want it to be seen,

1027
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 5: because you know the history of girls with big breasts.

1028
00:54:16,600 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 5: We always wear some ugly brawl and we don't want

1029
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 5: to be seen. It's always the same color, it doesn't

1030
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 5: look cute, doesn't have the best support. Not here, Come

1031
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 5: get your brawl, Come on over here, hit me up.

1032
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 2: And you and are you still doing the sound bath?

1033
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: And I do the soundbath? Yes, I love, I love

1034
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:38,799
Speaker 4: I do the sound baths. I do it all over

1035
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 4: the world. Right, I was in Marra Cash.

1036
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 5: I actually did a sound bath over there, Yes, thank you.

1037
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,279
Speaker 5: And I do sound baths for corporate corporations, corporations, right.

1038
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 5: I just did one for the ward off Astoria. Yeah, okay,

1039
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 5: don't even play with me. But I do one for

1040
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,800
Speaker 5: the community every thurs Sunday. I do one on a

1041
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 5: soundstage out by the airport. It is beautiful. I do

1042
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 5: it on a big, beautiful sound stage. And then I

1043
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 5: also do one over in Smyrna at like a yoga

1044
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 5: yoga studio. But I've been doing this for about since

1045
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 5: I've been in Atlanta, and I've been in Atlanta about

1046
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 5: four years, but I've been in the wellness field for

1047
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 5: about ten years now.

1048
00:55:19,719 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 4: I started working with Queena Fula.

1049
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: Oh wow, look at you.

1050
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:28,000
Speaker 4: I'm just out here.

1051
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: Well, listen, you have made lemonade out of the lemons.

1052
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 4: You really have.

1053
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 2: And listen, we're friends in real life.

1054
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: But I'll say this publicly, and you know, I'm proud

1055
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,600
Speaker 3: of you, thank you and everything that you're doing. And

1056
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 3: I will go and record saying this. Who she is

1057
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 3: on camera is exactly who she is behind the scenes.

1058
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 4: Thank you.

1059
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:53,800
Speaker 3: Like we had an interview scheduled last week, Yes, but

1060
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 3: she has some family situation going on, and.

1061
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 2: This is my friends.

1062
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: I said, Okay, we'll reschedule it. She's sent me to

1063
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 3: prove that she wasn't. I'm like to car Us, you're

1064
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 3: not somebody. You have nothing to prove to me.

1065
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 2: But no, I want the world to know that fame

1066
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 2: has never changed you.

1067
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 3: You are still the homegirl from Ohio and that's why

1068
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 3: God continuously blesses you, because in real life you are

1069
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: a gem. And I'm so proud of you, that in

1070
00:56:25,320 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: this crazy industry, you have not allowed it to change you.

1071
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 3: And that and and and that should be celebrated. And

1072
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 3: I want us to celebrate that more. How listen, you

1073
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:37,360
Speaker 3: can say, well they were mean to me.

1074
00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 4: No, No, you had it hard.

1075
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 3: I've had it hard. I'm not mean to people. You're

1076
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: not mean to people, so there's no excuse. And that's

1077
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 3: why my biggest thing was character, and your character has all.

1078
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,760
Speaker 3: You are the same girl I met back at BT

1079
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:56,919
Speaker 3: and you have not changed. You have not changed one

1080
00:56:58,040 --> 00:56:58,719
Speaker 3: and neither of you.

1081
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 5: Your energy, he's so sweet, it's always so kind. You've

1082
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 5: always been about your business. Yes, thank you, I love

1083
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 5: you too.

1084
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 4: Yes, get the world.

1085
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: Reality with the King is executive produced by me Carlos King,

1086
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: produced by Lizzie.

1087
00:57:23,280 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 2: Nimitz, and a partnership with the Lack Effect Network.

1088
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: You can also find us on my YouTube channel at

1089
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: be Carlos King Underscore