1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, it is. We're live. Let me turn this 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:06,440 Speaker 1: off so I don't mess this up. 3 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 2: There we go, Hi, We're live. Everyone, it is. Let's 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: see the fourth. It is still the fourth. Usually we 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: do this the day after because the fights have ended 6 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 2: late into the night. Today that is not the occasion. 7 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: Welcome. 8 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: This is the Beltiore two ninety Morning Combat Post fight Show, 9 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: Instant Reaction, you name it. My name is Lou Thomas. 10 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 2: Of course, I'm one half of the hosting duo from 11 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: regular Morning Combat. Brian Campbell is off doing CBS Sports 12 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: HQ stuff. You can go see his analysis if you like, 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: But if you stick around here, I'll host this program 14 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: here tonight. We'll go through the results from the main 15 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,640 Speaker 2: card for Beltore two ninety, which just finished on CBS. 16 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: This was Belatore's debut on CBS. We'll talk some about that, 17 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 2: and of course it was fedro million ACO's last fight. 18 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: He retired in the cage. It was a depressing affair. 19 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: All right. 20 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: So if you excuse me, if you don't want spoilers, why, 21 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah. 22 00:00:57,600 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: Who cares anymore? Who cares? Who cares? 23 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 2: Many of that stuff? Right, Let's just get this party started, 24 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: shall we thumbs up on the video. Hit subscribe, you 25 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 2: know all the good stuff that makes everything here better. 26 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: All right, let's do this please. 27 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 2: And we're back all right, all right, all right, And 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 2: as a reminder, YO, hit that subscription button. Do us 29 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 2: a solid. All right, let's get to these results. So 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: this took place. I didn't realize they had renamed the forum. 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 2: So it's now called the Kia Forum or just Kia 32 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 2: Forum anyway in Inglewood, California. This is just outside Los Angeles. Basically, 33 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: it's a suburb of some kind of a. 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,040 Speaker 1: Way of looking at it. All right, neither here nor there. 35 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: Bellat or two ninety headlined Ryan Bader defeats Faedo million 36 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 2: Anco via Tko at two thirty of round one. 37 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you know, we knew it was 38 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: not going to go any other way. 39 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: I even on Friday's MK when we were breaking it down, 40 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: I wanted to sort of give life to the idea 41 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: about what a fad or pick might look like if 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: you could make one, and I hitched my wagon to it. 43 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: But I even openly said that like BC's pick and 44 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 2: the pick for Bader was the correct one, and it was. 45 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 2: I mean, there was listen, we you know, I mean, 46 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,239 Speaker 2: I could go down the list. This is hardly exhaustive, 47 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 2: but even just recently Frankie Edgar. I'm not putting Frankie 48 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: as necessarily on par with Fador's achievements, but I think 49 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: a beloved figure of the game who was highly accomplished 50 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 2: trying to get a retirement fight in NASA Square Garden, 51 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: and that was a little bit different. 52 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: You know. 53 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: They kind of booked him Chris Gutierrez, which was a 54 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 2: very difficult fight for him to win at that juncture. 55 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: But of course he gets iced terrible. And then we 56 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: had Showgun recently at UFC two eighty three against Ehorre 57 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 2: Potieria and. 58 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: Same thing. 59 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,359 Speaker 2: We were all like, all right, maybe there's just a 60 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 2: little bit of that showgun magic left. And of course 61 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 2: he gets iced. And then you thought you thought maybe 62 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: maybe maybe like you knew Baier was gonna win, you know, 63 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: but you thought, maybe a guy like Fador could pull 64 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 2: out something spectacular and wow, it was one last time, 65 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: and it just wasn't to be. 66 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't. He got iced. 67 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,440 Speaker 2: What happened, he gets hit with the punch basically kind 68 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: of like on the back of the head, he falls. 69 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 2: Ryan Bader gets on top, tries to finish him from 70 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,919 Speaker 2: full guard, moves to half Fador tries to turn over. 71 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 2: Bator goes behind the back and then captures his wrist, 72 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 2: pulls it baut from under him. That does two things. One, 73 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 2: it sucks the near side shoulder into the mat. That's 74 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: the first thing that it does when you pull it. 75 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 2: I mean, just think about it. This is the end 76 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: of the lever, right, So if you pull it enough, 77 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: what happens to the shoulder. It turns so that partly 78 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 2: it drives them back into the mat. And also, if 79 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 2: you watched one of my Mackenzie Durham breakdowns, one of 80 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: the things I talked about was getting a stable position 81 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: from which the ground and pound. And one of the 82 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: ways you can do that, of course, is from the 83 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 2: back when you have risk control. And of course she 84 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: finds the back very often. Bader didn't have the back, 85 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: but that behind the back control effectively has a very 86 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: similar kind of property where you can also balance yourself 87 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: to you know, fire down shots. And they only have 88 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: one hand to protect themselves, which is insufficient to do 89 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 2: the job effectively, and so referee Herbdean intervenes and then 90 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 2: that's that Ryan Bader wins, he retains his Bellator heavyweight title, 91 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: and that's that Ryan Bader becomes the second excuse me, 92 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,200 Speaker 2: the first person to her defeat fad Or twice. Although 93 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 2: at this point, certainly I don't want to take anything 94 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: away from Ryan Bader. He even said when this fight 95 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: was offered to him, he wasn't necessarily all that interested 96 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: in it. And Fadar is forty six, it'll be forty 97 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: seven in September. You know, I think he had some 98 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: other designs. But perhaps because the perhaps because the promotion 99 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 2: wanted it. Perhaps it was something that it would try 100 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 2: to make big enough for CBS that they booked the fight. 101 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 2: But you know, I think, let this be a reminder 102 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: to everyone that the last how about this, It almost 103 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:02,359 Speaker 2: doesn't even matter how good they were, how much money 104 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 2: they made, or how otherwise they were adored by the 105 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 2: fan base. It turns out that effectively sticking the landing 106 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 2: of the last part of your career as a prize fighter, 107 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 2: it trips a lot of them up. Even the very 108 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: best ones can't get it right, and that tells you 109 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: how hard it must be. For all the myriad reasons. 110 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 2: Sometimes they are broke. Sometimes they're not. Sometimes they don't 111 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 2: know when to quit. Sometimes they I mean, who knows, 112 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,799 Speaker 2: it's myriad reasons why they want to prove to themselves 113 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: something or whatever. Faed Or seemed to be ready to 114 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 2: be done with it, So I don't think he had 115 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 2: anything to prove left to himself. He had nothing left 116 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: to prove Tonight would have been great if he had 117 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: won in terms of all the fields, but he didn't 118 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:49,920 Speaker 2: have anything to prove. But anyway, it's just, you know, 119 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: it's depressing. But anyway, Bader didn't really want to take 120 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 2: the fight, and he did anyway, and it's a good 121 00:05:56,680 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 2: win in the sense that he stays relevant. It was 122 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: on CBS, but you know, it's significant value. 123 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: I don't really know anymore. 124 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: But getting back to the point about sticking the landing, 125 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 2: Like Habib stuck the landing right, and you could say, well, 126 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: he got out early, is that really sticking the landing? 127 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 2: What I mean is you're just not crawling out in 128 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 2: a diminished state relative to what you were, right, That's 129 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 2: what I mean. Like you could add on a loss 130 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: and it wouldn't necessarily be some kind of tragic thing. 131 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,040 Speaker 2: And this isn't tragic necessarily. Either it wasn't some like 132 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 2: prolonged beating or something like that. 133 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't that. 134 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 2: But the point being is Fador went out in this 135 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: kind of a state, which was not terrible. And by 136 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 2: the way, like Scott Cooker doing that thing where there's 137 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: Josh Burnett and Katore and Frank Shamrock and Henzo and 138 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 2: like all these Mark Coleman's and all these other guys 139 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 2: up there, that was a cool scene for him to 140 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: retire like that. But to point out like in terms 141 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: of the how the fight went, it didn't go wit 142 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: great for Fad Or in terms of how the fight 143 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 2: went for Silva in MMA, it didn't really go the 144 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 2: way he wanted to. It wasn't some kind of beating, 145 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: but it was just, you know, felt so unnecessary after 146 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: the fact, like why do we have to go through that? 147 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 2: That seemed pointless to a degree. And then of course 148 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: they're the ones I've already mentioned, like it's very very 149 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 2: difficult to stick the landing. The very very best prize 150 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: fighters don't get it right. Habib got it right, and 151 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 2: GSP got it right, and GSP almost got it wrong. 152 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 2: I mean he got it right in the sense that 153 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: he walked away after the Hendricks fight, which I thought 154 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: he lost that fight, But either way, he wins it 155 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: and then gives a title back. That was pretty good 156 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: coming back, and then win the title against Bissing. That's crazy, 157 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: next level amazing. But what did he also do? He 158 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 2: got right back the fuck out. He got right out again. 159 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: You know he didn't. He didn't waste any time. You 160 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: can't beat the clock in this game. You just can't. 161 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: You have to get out early. You ha had some 162 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: some version of early, some version of you know, GSP 163 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,680 Speaker 2: did the thief in the night bit, but in general, 164 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 2: you have to get out early. And he didn't, and 165 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 2: tonight Faeder didn't and he and you know, this is 166 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: the this is what you're gonna get. I mean, there's 167 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: a few thoughts I had about the whole thing. There's 168 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 2: not really a big fight to break down in this case, 169 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: but it's more about the career of fad Or. You know, 170 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: is he the best heavyweight of all time? I think 171 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 2: that he is, at least at a bare minimum. I 172 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 2: think he's got the most distinguished record. Let me just 173 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: say a couple things about fad Or beyond just the 174 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: fact of either he is the best heavyweight of all time, 175 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: or he's certainly like at worst number two. He used 176 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: to be in much more of a contention for best 177 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 2: fighter of all time. I think that has slipped through 178 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,119 Speaker 2: his grasp a little bit, But at the heavyweight division, 179 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: I think it stays. But there's something else that really 180 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,319 Speaker 2: occurs to me beyond just how difficult it is to 181 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: stick the landing and fad or status, which is that 182 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 2: Tonight felt for me, as someone who's been watching MMA 183 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 2: quite a while at this point and then covering it 184 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 2: professionally for also a pretty long time. Tonight to me 185 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: felt more like the end of Pride than I'd felt 186 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: in a long time. Mike Bond had a tweet recently 187 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: where with the retirement of Shogun, he was the last 188 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: guy on the existing UFC roster to fight in Pride 189 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: in Japan. You have Nick Diaz and Robbi Lawler, who 190 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 2: by the way, are not going to be in the 191 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 2: promotion much longer. They did fight in Pride, but never 192 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,439 Speaker 2: in Japan. They fought in the Las Vegas show. Uh, 193 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:18,959 Speaker 2: and so that doesn't really I mean, it's not that 194 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: doesn't count. That was that was real Pride, But it 195 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 2: wasn't real Pride in Japan fade or excuse me, Shogun 196 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 2: was the last. So that means that there's no one 197 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: on the UFC roster's done that. I don't think there's 198 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 2: anyone on the bill to ur roster who did that, 199 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: either fad or like like he was the guy at Pride. 200 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 2: He was the most important guy there, I mean. And 201 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: from the Japanese perspective, maybe a't soakar Raba. I'm not sure, don't. 202 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: I don't know how historically they view that. Certainly he 203 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,240 Speaker 2: was a massive figure for folks who may not know 204 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 2: soakar Aba Kauzushi saka Raba was like the best way 205 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 2: to explain because sushi saka raba is what someone once 206 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: told me was imagine if Hulk Hogan in his prime 207 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 2: could fight like actually really well in Mma and did both, 208 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 2: You'd be like, you know, like what, like it's hard 209 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 2: to even fathom what that would mean, Like that's what 210 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 2: he was. So maybe to the Japanese that's different, but 211 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 2: at least to them, to I think to fans like 212 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: me at the time, you know, and in North America 213 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 2: he's he's the most important figure out of that organization. Again, 214 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 2: a guy who had acclaimed to be the best ever 215 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 2: at a certain point, certainly the best heavyweight out of 216 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 2: that crop, no doubt about it. And you know, again 217 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,559 Speaker 2: arguably in the in the overall scope of MMA history. Man, 218 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 2: if you have, we did it for resume review and 219 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 2: it like, honestly, I took my breath away when I 220 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 2: did it. If you have a fight Pass of subscription, 221 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: someone once asked me who it was. I forget who 222 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 2: it was, Like, what's the value of a fight passers subscription? 223 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 2: I don't watch anything live on fight Pass. I pay 224 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: just for the library, and to me, it's worth every penny. 225 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,320 Speaker 2: It's so valuable to have a resource like that, to 226 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 2: be able to go and look stuff up. If you've 227 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: never seen like the three four five version of fad 228 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: Or and really kind of closer to three to four. 229 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: If you've never seen that, dude, you just never seen 230 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,559 Speaker 2: fad Or like what you saw tonight. I mean, this 231 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,719 Speaker 2: is the you know, I don't want to diminish the man. 232 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 2: He is obviously a figure of adoration and we revere 233 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:20,079 Speaker 2: him all but the version that was there tonight, that's 234 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: not even a pimple on the ass of the guy 235 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: who fought in Pride. It's they're not they barely, it's 236 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: barely the same guy at all. If you go back 237 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 2: and watch like the fights against Shilt Hearing, the first 238 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 2: Nogara fight obviously, the crow Cop fight is a fucking 239 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 2: technical masterpiece, you know, the Mark Hunt fight. And I 240 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: could go on and on and on through even like 241 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: when shitty noia O Gabwa refused to shake his hands 242 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: and he went in there and just fucking drop bombs 243 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 2: on him, the Fujia fight where he got hurt. Dude, 244 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 2: you have to go see what at a prime Fataleka 245 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 2: looked like. I did a totally unscientific but kind of 246 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 2: fun little thread on Twitter today. I asked, what was 247 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: the first time you ever saw fad Or compete live? Right, 248 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,199 Speaker 2: Not like I caught a DVD. I caught a clip, like, 249 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: sat down and watched a live fatal for what was 250 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:10,599 Speaker 2: the first one? And the vast majority of them quite understandably, 251 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 2: given who I was polling, we're giving basically giving answers 252 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 2: like strike force or affliction or you know, whenever MMA 253 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 2: had made its way to US airwaves basically, which tells 254 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 2: you that they've the vast majority. Yes, you could have 255 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: gotten Pride, but that most of them were like post Pride, 256 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 2: Bodog and after that, Like, it's kind of crazy that 257 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 2: Pride and all its illustrious splendor never got noticed and 258 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 2: Bodog did. But and what that tells me is that 259 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: the vast majority of people who watched Fador today barely 260 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 2: understand who he actually was. Even by the time he 261 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 2: got to Strike Force, he was a diminished version of 262 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: himself a little bits still very good, but not not 263 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: the guy that he once was. And so this is 264 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 2: he like he should have retired in my judgment, quite 265 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 2: a long while ago, just to you know, well, you 266 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: know what he got Timothy Johnson. The Timothy Johnson win 267 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 2: should have been probably the end, right because that was 268 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 2: in Russia. He gets this incredible win of a ranked 269 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 2: top guy in this organization. He puts his lights out 270 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 2: like that was tremendous. And to do that at forty 271 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 2: five or whatever he was forty six potentially even its 272 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,280 Speaker 2: just it's insane. It's insane that he was able to 273 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: do that. So that's great, that probably should have been 274 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: the end. But you know, he retired several times before this, 275 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 2: and then he had the terrible Fabio Maldonado fight, which 276 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 2: was a. 277 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: Disaster for him. 278 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 2: He's had a series of these where he kind of 279 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 2: thought like he could have hung it up a little 280 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 2: bit earlier. 281 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: But either way, man. 282 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:36,080 Speaker 2: If you just if you've never taken the time to 283 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 2: do it, you're only hurting yourself if you've never taken 284 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 2: the time to go through fight pass and actually sit 285 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: down and watch that run. That run he was on 286 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 2: when he was like the top guy in his twenties 287 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 2: as the Pride Heavyweight champion. You've just never you've never 288 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,839 Speaker 2: seen Fator and you've never seen another fighter quite like that. 289 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:56,959 Speaker 2: Kane Velaska's was an overwhelming force of nature, but in 290 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: a very different way. Right, brock Lesner was an over 291 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,320 Speaker 2: wing force of nature, but in a very different kind 292 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 2: of way. And they were just you know, this was 293 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 2: a middleweight who was up there competing with heavyweights basically, 294 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: and he was throwing them around, and he was catching 295 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: it with punches from angles and with timing that they 296 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: never saw and blending the game and putting a blueprint, 297 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: blueprint to ground dude, he wrote the fucking blueprint on 298 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 2: you know how to beat No garap basically at the 299 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,640 Speaker 2: time that was you know, considered impossibly difficult. He did 300 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:32,680 Speaker 2: it like it was nothing. So, you know, I don't 301 00:14:32,720 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 2: know how much these entreaties ever actually work and get 302 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 2: people to go do it, But let me just just say, 303 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: like if you do it, if you actually sit down 304 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: and really go and watch, you will be so rewarded 305 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 2: with an additional perspective on what like greatness looks like 306 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 2: and how early he was achieving it and in what 307 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: ways he was so vastly ahead. 308 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: Of the game. 309 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 2: But like this was the other part too, Like I 310 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: remember when I was doing research for the resume review 311 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: that we did for Morning Combat, I remember that I 312 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 2: was watching him, like, you know, for example, like tonight 313 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: he gets underneath bat or Bader, goes behind the back 314 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 2: and again gets that risk control and then sucks that 315 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: wrist out. You know, guys just weren't doing that in 316 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,120 Speaker 2: the era in which he was great. Like there's parts 317 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: of the game that have just technically evolved past what 318 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 2: he really knows how to do. And that's that's sports, right, 319 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 2: Like the game is just different as it moves on. 320 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 2: But the other part about the reality of him is 321 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: that like he never spent a lot of time underneath 322 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: like guys would take him down and they need to 323 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 2: get armbard, like Mark Coleman got armboard, for example, a 324 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: very similar kind of way. You know, even Hongman Choi 325 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: was a similar kind of situation. But like you know, 326 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 2: that would happen fairly regularly, or you know, he would 327 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 2: at least threaten from underneath, or he would get reversals, 328 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 2: he would end up back on top, and with like 329 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 2: the modern wrestler, he would kind of get trapped. But 330 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 2: the other part is when you just look at how 331 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: athletic he was in his prime, you can tell that, like, 332 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 2: it's not like he didn't have things him technically advanced 333 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 2: he was was, but there was also a reality that 334 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: his game was very much lifted and affected the style 335 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: that he brought by at the time. He was really 336 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: benefited by extraordinary athleticism and explosive athletic ability, Like he 337 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: really had it in spades during his late twenties. But 338 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: as that faded, so too did his game. And again, 339 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: he was so great that he was able to make 340 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: it work for in other ways for a long period 341 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: of time. 342 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: But you know, that was always going to be a thing. 343 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: I heard him in at forty six. That was just. 344 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: You know, I mean that's the fight game, Like you can't. 345 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 2: You can't fight at these ages and beat guys. Vader's 346 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: not young, but he's still in his thirties, you know, 347 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 2: thirty nine barely so he's still barely there, but you 348 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 2: know he's still got I mean, imagine fad or seven 349 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: years ago. Right, that's what we're talking about here, So 350 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: kind kind of a real bookend moment for Pride f 351 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 2: Sea tonight, kind of a real bookend moment. It's a 352 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: new sport, it's a new era, it's a new day. 353 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: And that's that's the way that it goes. Kind of 354 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 2: sad that there's a lot of people who never saw 355 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:12,679 Speaker 2: fade or there are familiar with Pride and got to 356 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 2: enjoy it while it was around. It was when I 357 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: tell you that there's been absolutely not a single thing 358 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 2: like it, since I'm not exaggerating it. 359 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:21,159 Speaker 1: It really is. 360 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: And I know people hate to hear this sometimes it's like, ah, 361 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 2: you know, why are you tellings about things we can enjoy? 362 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 2: I don't know, It's it's still a living part of 363 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: our experiences in a way, right, Like I can go 364 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 2: back and watch them. I remember where I was when 365 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 2: I watched some of these in real time and how 366 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 2: I felt and who I was with and anyway. You know, 367 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 2: it's kind of old man reminiscing, but that's what you 368 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,119 Speaker 2: got tonight. Before we move on to the Coleman, I 369 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 2: do want to talk about the broader, like the overall 370 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 2: broadcast and then the like how this event went. Obviously, 371 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 2: I have no idea how the ratings are going to go. 372 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: I don't know what something like this can pull in 373 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 2: modern television. I also aired on Paramount Plus. I don't 374 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 2: know what that's gonna do to viewership. I really have 375 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: no idea. I will say I wasn't I didn't think 376 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:12,720 Speaker 2: it was a heavily promoted card. I didn't think it 377 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 2: was crazily promoted. I thought it was promoted okay, but 378 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 2: not like overwhelmingly. I thought that was a bit of 379 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 2: an issue. I don't know how much of the promos 380 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 2: aired at all on CBS, because I don't really watch 381 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 2: linear TV hardly at Also, maybe you guys can speak 382 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 2: better to that, so that'd be curious to see. In 383 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 2: terms of the broadcast itself, I thought that they did 384 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: a good job with fad Or and making it feel 385 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: big and like being reverential towards him. I thought that 386 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: was great, But I thought there's a couple of missed opportunities. One, 387 00:18:45,280 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: why did they not show the Lorenz Larkin fight. The 388 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:50,439 Speaker 2: whole thing was a minute in forty one seconds. They 389 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: had a minute in forty one seconds to sneak into 390 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 2: that broadcast to show that, which I thought would have 391 00:18:55,480 --> 00:18:57,640 Speaker 2: been just great for the viewers at home and really 392 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 2: added to the overall enjoyment actor of the evening. And 393 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 2: again we're only talking about a minute and forty one seconds, 394 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: you know a little bit more than that, because they 395 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 2: have to show a few things, but not a substantial 396 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: amount of time in the broadcast. And I feel like 397 00:19:10,600 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 2: there's so many things that they throw to in the 398 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 2: broadcast that it doesn't give them the leeway to add 399 00:19:15,280 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: things like that. This is just my personal opinion. I 400 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 2: don't speak on my behalf of I am a CBS employee, 401 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: so you know, I'm just telling you how I felt 402 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: as a viewer. I would have preferred to have seen 403 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 2: the Red's Larkin versus Burkhamov or Berkhmaalf Harvey pronounced it 404 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: a Berhamov. I'm not sure how they pronounced it on 405 00:19:31,560 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 2: the broadcast. I would have preferred to have seen that 406 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 2: for sure, versus not on that broadcast. I think it 407 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 2: would have been great for them. So that was interesting. 408 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 2: What else did I notice about the broadcast? The crowd 409 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 2: seemed very silent. I don't know if that's I don't 410 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 2: know what that was. I don't know how many numbers 411 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 2: on the attendance. It seemed well attended, but the crowds, 412 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 2: you know, they would perk up when actually what happened, 413 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: but they weren't otherwise super we're engaged, So that kind 414 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 2: of got my attention. I'm trying to think of other 415 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 2: things that sort of stood out on the broadcast and 416 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 2: I thought were kind of interesting. Yeah, aside from the 417 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 2: Larkin thing and then the crowd being silent, I I 418 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 2: overall enjoyed the broadcast. It was pretty quick in the 419 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: sense that, like you know, it was two hours, you 420 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: got three fights, it's about what you want. 421 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: One of them was five rounder. 422 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 2: That was fine, But in terms of like the impact 423 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,600 Speaker 2: it had, like I don't even know if it's trending. 424 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 1: Let me see if it's trending on Twitter. I don't 425 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: even know if it is. 426 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean UFC Vegas sixty eight is trending on 427 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: mine and I don't see. Let me pull up is 428 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 2: it trending in sports? Even Alicia Bumgardner, Ryan Bater is 429 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 2: Ryan Bater is surprise fad Or is not. That's amazing 430 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 2: that right? Oh yeah, Fader kind of is, yeah, a 431 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 2: little bit. But you know, the vet by name isn't. 432 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: So you know, I don't know how this one's gonna do. Candidly, 433 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: I don't know it might do well. I really I 434 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: don't know what the benchmarks are internally for success either, 435 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 2: Like what do they consider success. 436 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: I don't know. 437 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: They don't share these memos with me, but I think 438 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 2: they made a mistake not showing the lark and fight 439 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:23,160 Speaker 2: and crowd was a little weird. Crowd was a little weird. 440 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,959 Speaker 2: I don't really know what to make of that. But okay, 441 00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 2: moving down the card, your comin event, Johnny Eblin defeats 442 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,239 Speaker 2: anatotally Tokov fifty forty five and then two forty nine 443 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: forty six is unanimous decision. Johnny Eblin is the most 444 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 2: unheralded champion among major MMA organizations today in any way, class, 445 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 2: I don't that's not me telling you that I can 446 00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 2: declare with total confidence that he's the very best middleweight. 447 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: I don't know that. I don't know if he's the 448 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: very best middleweight. This is not me declare to you 449 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 2: he's gonna beat all of your favorite fighters at the 450 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: UFC ever signs him. It's not what I'm suggesting either. 451 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,200 Speaker 2: What I am saying is relative to what he can 452 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: do and relative to what he's accomplished, matched against the 453 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: acclaim he gets for it. I mean, there's just a 454 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: yawning gap in between. I got news for you. Like, 455 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 2: I don't know if Johnny Evelin is the best middleweight 456 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: on earth. I tend to think probably not at He's 457 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: not right now, not right now, but he probably gives 458 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 2: Pata a hard time, real hard time, just stylistically, he 459 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: gives him a hard time and might just beat his ass, 460 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,480 Speaker 2: like it could actually be ugly like that. I'm not 461 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: declarant to you like that would happen, but that you 462 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 2: could add not dismiss that at all. I mean, let's 463 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: talk about what makes him good. 464 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: Right. 465 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 2: He has striking that still is in development. I think 466 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 2: you can see that. But he's got the ability to 467 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: He's got good linear punches, right, I mean, what was 468 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 2: the punch that was giving Tokov so many problems. The 469 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: one too, the one too. He could not miss with 470 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: that one too. That right hand was sticking to call 471 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: flush over and over and over again. I was like, 472 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: holy smoke, that thing is just dynamite. And you know, 473 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: he had a lot of winging punches off balance and 474 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 2: then try and switch through stances like that stuff needs 475 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 2: a little bit of work. You know that that's not 476 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 2: like his strong suit. But he's got good, respectable power. 477 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 2: I would call his striking more than functional, like valuable, 478 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:36,119 Speaker 2: like he can he can stand with it and do 479 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: with it. 480 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:37,080 Speaker 1: He can win. 481 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: But what really sort of set him apart is that 482 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: his striking is not the best, but it's good and 483 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 2: he's got good power. He's got great cardio, and that 484 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 2: that dude can just wrestle you until until he's for forever. 485 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 2: He's a perpetual motion machine. And that's at that's side 486 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,520 Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty five pounds. He reminds me a 487 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 2: little bit, a little bit, this is not quite the 488 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: right thing, because the guy I'm about to as much 489 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 2: better as a at weaving in the Submission Threat. But 490 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: like when Chris Widman was on his game. It was 491 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,320 Speaker 2: a little bit like this again. Wideman had a little 492 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: bit more slickness with the boxing, a little more slickness 493 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 2: with the submission game. But it felt a little bit 494 00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 2: like what you're getting out of this, Like a big, 495 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 2: strong middleweight who has the gas tank to go forever. 496 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 2: He can push the pace if he needs to. He's 497 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 2: got good power, he can push you back with his striking, 498 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: he can land on you, he can he has, you know, 499 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 2: reasonable striking defense, and when he mixes all of it together, 500 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: it just becomes overwhelming. Like that's the kind of game 501 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: that he's got, and it's I don't know who in 502 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,359 Speaker 2: that organization. 503 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: Can beat him. 504 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 2: He will only get beat if he makes some kind 505 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 2: of error or one in a million shot lands, or 506 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 2: he doesn't prepare right. But if he's healthy, and if 507 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: he prepares and if you know, Father Time doesn't whip 508 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: his ass, he's gonna hold onto that belt for some time. 509 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 2: Let me pull up to bellatore Middleway rankings. I don't 510 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: do the rankings for Bellatour, so I couldn't tell you. 511 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: Who they have up here. Let's see so current middleweight. 512 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: Here's your middleweights. 513 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 2: Fabian Edwards probably the next one, Tokov was the one 514 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 2: sitting in that same space. Psalter, who he already beat 515 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 2: Ross has only got eight fights, eight or nine fights. 516 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 2: Then Aaron Jeffrey Austin, Vanderford, Lorenz Larkin was an interesting one, 517 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 2: and then Romero Cotton. So does a couple of names 518 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 2: in there, you know, and Larkin is obviously a much 519 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 2: better a much better striker than Johnny Eblin. But overall 520 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: game in terms of just the amount of effort that 521 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,960 Speaker 2: guy can apply to you and what it can result in, 522 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 2: that's a lot to deal with. That's a lot to 523 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 2: deal with. So early I thought I thought Tokov took 524 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,479 Speaker 2: maybe the first or second round. I think the first round, 525 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 2: I thought Eblin made a strong comeback. In the second 526 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 2: had to push through like the tide like. I think 527 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,200 Speaker 2: he kind of squeaked it out. And in the third 528 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 2: round I thought Tokov was really taking it to him. 529 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 2: But then Eblin ended strong, dropping him with that elbow. 530 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 2: I believe that's right. Fourth round, he just wrestled him 531 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: to death. Fifth round, more or less the same thing. 532 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,119 Speaker 2: Tokoff couldn't get him off. Tokoff's gas tank heard him. 533 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 2: That's something that like you've noticed in the past. We've 534 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,199 Speaker 2: seen Tokoff fights. His gas tank is not terrible, but 535 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,879 Speaker 2: I don't know that it's suited well for five rounds. 536 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,239 Speaker 2: He can usually be much more of a force through three, 537 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,280 Speaker 2: so your gas tank was a bit of a problem. 538 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:31,240 Speaker 2: He had good punching power, he a good striking but 539 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 2: I think that once he became a little flat footed 540 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 2: and not able to be as reactive. In that third round, 541 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 2: when he got stung with some of those hard rights, 542 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 2: everything just began to slow and he couldn't really ever 543 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: get get back out into another gear. He couldn't catch 544 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 2: his breath, really, he couldn't. He couldn't put uh, he 545 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,479 Speaker 2: couldn't put Eblin on the back foot enough. And he 546 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 2: was on the back foot metaphorically and literally constantly after that. 547 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: You know, he just could never look back. 548 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: So I think stealing that second round and the third, 549 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: dash say, taking the second round, stealing the third, and 550 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: then just mopping him up after that, and then in 551 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 2: that fifth round get out of here with the souplex, 552 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 2: with the release no less, I mean no, I don't. 553 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:21,719 Speaker 2: I think he held on to him, don't think there 554 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 2: was a release, but drove him, I mean right into 555 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 2: the canvas, amazing, amazing flare. So I would like to 556 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 2: see Evelin continue to work on his overall game, in 557 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 2: particular the striking. I think obviously the wrestling is pretty 558 00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 2: far advanced, so bringing other parts of his game up 559 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,479 Speaker 2: overall fight IQ working on all the pieces of his 560 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 2: game with a particular focus on striking. The other part 561 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 2: two is like getting to dominant ground positions for ground upound. 562 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,719 Speaker 2: He's good at setting up positions to stifle and ride, 563 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 2: not so much for maximum punishment, which is understandable because 564 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: there's a trade off inherent there, but you know, getting 565 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: that equation right and better. And dude, he's off to 566 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 2: the he's off to the races. He's absolutely i think, 567 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:13,080 Speaker 2: top five middleweight in the world, bare minimum, bare minimum. 568 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 2: And you know you're gonna look a part of his 569 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 2: game and be like, it's a little there's nothing super 570 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: flashy about it, right, there's no part of it that's 571 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 2: super flashy. It's the combo of everything. It's a and 572 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 2: and it's a deceptive too. It's deceptive to watch a 573 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:32,080 Speaker 2: guy that big who doesn't have super flashy striking or 574 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: like crazy submission ability still kind of take it to 575 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: these guys. Uh, and I just I it's a it's 576 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 2: it's this. It's this combination of having his ace in 577 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 2: the hole is the cardio and the wrestling combined. But 578 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,280 Speaker 2: but dude, he didn't even really use that until much 579 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: of Like I don't recall that being a huge part 580 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 2: of the first two rounds, even where that really didn't 581 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 2: get going until as like a real thing he could 582 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: hold onto. I think he got to take down in 583 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 2: the second. I don't have any stats because Belatore doesn't 584 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: offer stats. There's another thing that about BELITOI that drives 585 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 2: me a little bit crazy, if I can be honest, 586 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 2: Like they don't have stats that they compile and share, 587 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 2: and it drives me up the wall. But here we are, 588 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 2: so I don't I don't have any stats. But he 589 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: got to take that. Really didn't do a whole lot 590 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: with them. But really the takedowns didn't get to become 591 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: a meaningful part I think until the third a little bit, 592 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 2: and maybe even the second half of. 593 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 1: The third something like that. 594 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 2: So but even before that, you know, also he has 595 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 2: to make adjustments, Like, dude, he got beat up a 596 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: little bit early. You know, his initial read, his initial 597 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 2: way of doing it. He had had to kind of 598 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 2: deal with it. His eye was swollen shut. He had 599 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 2: to persevere and throw. And then once he found his 600 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 2: reins and once he found i think some of the 601 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 2: timing and then what the setups were that worked better, 602 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: he just went back to them and that was it. 603 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 2: And again that right hand off the one two, And 604 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 2: it was the timing too, because though the looping hands, 605 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 2: they take longer to travel, so you can kind of 606 00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 2: get out of the way of the them and you 607 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: can anticipate them coming or whatever. You can roll and 608 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: make big motions. But the one too, bob bob, And 609 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 2: it's not like a one two like dot dot. It's 610 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,959 Speaker 2: not dot, it's like right behind it, switching that switching 611 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 2: that timing up like George Foreman on Mark Michael Moore. 612 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 2: Go watch the timing on Foreman's one two that sits 613 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: him done. It is bobop, it's right behind each other. 614 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:20,840 Speaker 2: He pops them not quite with the same speed, but 615 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: an off speed kind of rhythm, and it catches them constantly, 616 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: constantly in that fight. So that was supposed to be 617 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,760 Speaker 2: in that Cobine event role. That was supposed to be 618 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 2: a deem Nemkov taken on Uel Romero, but it all 619 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:44,360 Speaker 2: fell through. This was the kind of substitute for a 620 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 2: substitute fight given the circumstances. 621 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: I don't mind it. I thought it was fine. 622 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 2: And Eblin getting some promotion I think is what you want, 623 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 2: and him ending with a little bit of a dramatic 624 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: flare is great. But I believe that there is work 625 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: to be done to make sure that that guy gets 626 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 2: the credit that he deserves. Quite frankly, sore more should 627 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: be done to that effect. How about we talk about 628 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: very quickly if we can, the opening bout at welterweight, 629 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: Brendan Ward taken on Sabajo Massi. He stops Sabaja Masi 630 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: at one thirty four of round two via tk O 631 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: head kick and then punches dude. Sobajo Massi was tearing 632 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 2: Brendan Ward up in that first round. Punches he was 633 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 2: walking into, he was getting leg kicked to death, and 634 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: a lot of the stuff that Ward was throwing was missing. 635 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 2: Now towards the end he had Ward had a nice 636 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 2: flurry and he was able to slow things down because 637 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 2: Homasi would throw these wild strikes, slip and then try 638 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 2: and like you know, scramble out of it, and then 639 00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 2: Ward would get his back and he couldn't do a 640 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 2: whole lot with it, you know, in terms of like 641 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: getting actual chokes, but it slowed Homasi down. It slowed 642 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 2: the fight down. And then he gets a little a 643 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: little bit of a flurry to like a more tired Homasi. 644 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 2: Second round comes out, Ward lands big punches again and 645 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 2: a headkick that drops Homasi at least hurts him. He 646 00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: kind of falls over and then finishes him off with punches, 647 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 2: tries to get a choke, couldn't get it, and then 648 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: fallows up with more punches and elbows and everything else 649 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 2: than Holmasi is a bloody mess. So, first of all, 650 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,360 Speaker 2: Ward versus Homasi is your first fight to return to 651 00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 2: CBS since what the Strike Force brawl basically in Nashville. 652 00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 2: First fight back is a bloodfest. I mean, it wasn't 653 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: the bladest fight you've ever seen, but it was pretty bloody. 654 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 2: Loved it perfect. That's exactly what EMMA should be doing. 655 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 2: So that was great. And then for Ward, man, this 656 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,200 Speaker 2: is a guy at thirty four years of age who 657 00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: just punted on basically five plus years of his career. 658 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 2: Even before that, he wasn't taking great care of himself 659 00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 2: in the way that he should have been. He lost 660 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 2: all that time with jail and rehab and everything else, 661 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 2: and was losing this fight. Early Homasi was landing the heavier, 662 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,840 Speaker 2: cleaner strikes. He was the one who had great takedown 663 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 2: defense early, great ability to cause separation. Like he was 664 00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 2: doing great stuff. And then the game we talked about 665 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,160 Speaker 2: Ward getting the back, taking advantage of the mistakes, put 666 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 2: some punches together, finding a range, keep walking hom Asi down, 667 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: slow him down a little bit. And then once he 668 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 2: slowed down, the big punches from Ward. Ward's always been 669 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 2: a big puncher. They caught up with him, they landed, 670 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 2: he lands a head kick, he follows up. Just a great, 671 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 2: great job by Brendan ward Man. And I even said 672 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:17,840 Speaker 2: this on Friday, like, I don't know how far he's 673 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: gonna go. Man, the guy missed a lot of time, 674 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: you know. And I'll tell you that he missed a 675 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: lot of time there. That's there. Some cost has to 676 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,520 Speaker 2: be paid there, there always is. There's no such thing 677 00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 2: as a free lunch in this life. But you know, 678 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 2: I know that he has put himself in the best 679 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 2: place he could possibly be to get something out of it. 680 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 2: And the two guys he had beaten since he got 681 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: back to his career to resume things. You know, they 682 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: weren't great names. And so bajo MASSI you know the 683 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 2: is he the number one welterweight in the world. No, 684 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 2: but he's a tough guy. He was certainly a much 685 00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: tougher guy than who Ward had been fighting. And he 686 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 2: comes from a good camp and he was sticking it 687 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: to Ward early for Ward to overcome all of that 688 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 2: and then come back and get the stoppage win man 689 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 2: and then bring in Jean Claude van Dam for a 690 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: very awkward hug. But the guy he brought in Mighty 691 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 2: Matt who he was talking about. That's the guy who 692 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: founded high Rollers. BJJ shouts to Mighty Matt. 693 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,080 Speaker 1: That dude is super cool, super cool. 694 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,839 Speaker 2: He invited us out to his high Rollers place out 695 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: in Vegas, so BBC in a couple of the Showtime guys. 696 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:19,560 Speaker 2: We all went out, some of the Showtime producers. We 697 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 2: all went out there and he treated us like fucking 698 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 2: kings man. So that dude is just, you know, a 699 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 2: cool person, tries to do right by everybody. I think 700 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 2: he's also involved. I think He's like he runs you 701 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,799 Speaker 2: know Nick and Adas have that game up nutrition thing. 702 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 2: I think he runs that. So you know, some cool 703 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,000 Speaker 2: people all the way around. So that was cool to 704 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 2: see as well. But great, great win by Brendan Ward. 705 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 2: Let's talk very briefly if we can, about some of 706 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 2: the highlights from the preliminary card. I won't get into 707 00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 2: too many of these, but we have to talk about it. 708 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 2: I mean, I was killing CBS. We're not putting on 709 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 2: the broadcast, so we got to mention it here. Lorenz Larkin, 710 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 2: are you kidding me? Apparently was a welterweight fight against 711 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,560 Speaker 2: They got him ranked a middleweight, so it's thing against Muhammad. 712 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 2: I'm gonna say Berkhamov. I don't know the proper pronunciation 713 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 2: via ko with a fucking elbow. Did y'all see this? 714 00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 2: First of all, want to point out something about Lorenz Larkin. 715 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,320 Speaker 2: He got signed by UFC. I think, excuse me, he 716 00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: got signed by Belatore. I believe his last win in 717 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 2: UFC was against It was the back to back wins 718 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 2: over Jorge Masvidal and then he stops Neil Magni. Then 719 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 2: he goes to Bellatore and fights Douglas Lima and loses. 720 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,319 Speaker 2: Then he fights Paul Day and gets knocked out. 721 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: Terrible. 722 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:35,759 Speaker 2: I mean, his start to Bellatore could not have gone worse, 723 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 2: and he was like a prized acquisition. They brought him 724 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: out there for that Bellatore NYC Deis and everything like 725 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: this was a big deal. That Yes, of course Larkin 726 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: had fought in Strikeforce under Scott Cooker, but this was 727 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,040 Speaker 2: a huge deal for him to go back home. This 728 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,040 Speaker 2: was twenty sixteen, only two years after Scott took over Belatore, 729 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 2: still trying to do big things, and he just it 730 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 2: just didn't work, like none of it worked, or at 731 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 2: least early. So then he fights Fernando Gonzalez, doesn't look right, 732 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 2: and he fights Ion pascued. Looks okay. He barely beats 733 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 2: koresh Karov, but that's a tough win. He beats kait Nakamora, 734 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 2: who's an underrated name, a little bit long in the tooth, 735 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,880 Speaker 2: but a good one. He barely beats Raphael Carvalio. He 736 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,279 Speaker 2: beats Kyle Stewart in Paris, but Kyle Stewart like took 737 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,880 Speaker 2: that fight on short notice. And then he has the 738 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:20,800 Speaker 2: illegal excuse me was the no contest the illegal elbow 739 00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 2: from his fight with McCaw Berkhamov at BULTWO twenty three 740 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:25,480 Speaker 2: back in July. 741 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: So this was like the rematch. I'm just pointing out this. 742 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 2: Guy has slowly he dug himself a huge hole after 743 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,320 Speaker 2: the Magni fight and has slowly kind of clawed out 744 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 2: and then had this performance. How did he set it up? 745 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 2: He goes for a punch, it misses, but he ends 746 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:43,959 Speaker 2: up overshooting it, and then as he retracts his hand 747 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:45,960 Speaker 2: he pulls the collar tie and then he had the 748 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:46,760 Speaker 2: outside elbow. 749 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: So what does he do? 750 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,919 Speaker 2: He fucking snaps that that dude down and turns him. 751 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 2: He turns him. So what does Burt Berkhamov or Berkmov do. 752 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,600 Speaker 2: He takes his foot, his right foot and plants it 753 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,800 Speaker 2: on the ground to stop getting turned and to balance himself. Well, dude, 754 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 2: if someone is turning you and you plant to stop, 755 00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 2: you are setting up I If I turn you from 756 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,279 Speaker 2: here from my left to my right and then you 757 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 2: stop and plant so I can't turn you. I'm gonna 758 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,960 Speaker 2: keep coming with this left bah and you are driving 759 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,440 Speaker 2: yourself back into it. You are driving yourself back into it. 760 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 2: That's exactly what he did. He fucking snaps and turns 761 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,560 Speaker 2: this dude who plants his weight to stop, and fucking 762 00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 2: Larkin just whips that elbow. As soon as the guy plants, 763 00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,920 Speaker 2: he keeps going, whips that elbow. Actually, wait, he waits 764 00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,640 Speaker 2: a beat on him, so he gets him on the 765 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,320 Speaker 2: half beat. Actually, but then still same same physics. Supply 766 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,360 Speaker 2: the guy stops, he's going into it. It's you know, 767 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:50,480 Speaker 2: almost two forces essentially colliding, brings that elbow over the 768 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 2: top and fucking smokes this dude, I mean somemoked him 769 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,440 Speaker 2: goes flat. He actually did like the Rick Flair where 770 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,439 Speaker 2: he kind of like took a step and then fell. 771 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,440 Speaker 2: But once he fell, eyes wide open, like you know, 772 00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,839 Speaker 2: completely out, like light saw on No One's Home. One 773 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,840 Speaker 2: of the best knockouts from a standing elbow you'll ever see. 774 00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 2: I know it's only February, but that's you can add 775 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 2: that at least to the list of like Knockouts of 776 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,280 Speaker 2: the Year content contenders or knock out of the ear contenders. 777 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: I should say amazing. 778 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 2: And he, by the way, was the underdog. Lorenz Larkin 779 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,240 Speaker 2: was in this fight. Like I'm telling you, his stock 780 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,919 Speaker 2: has dropped to a dramatic degree, When was the last 781 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 2: time you saw like a Lorenz Larkin interview? What was 782 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,799 Speaker 2: the last time he was part of something like in 783 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 2: the news cycle? You just his name has just almost 784 00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,439 Speaker 2: been forgotten to a degree, and that's been a part 785 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,200 Speaker 2: because of like the way the billet or run has 786 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:45,360 Speaker 2: gone it. He had signed with all his hype and 787 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 2: went and he just had this slow, weird, kind of 788 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 2: quiet climb back. Well, dude, if this is the announcement 789 00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 2: that he's back and ready to start fighting other elite 790 00:38:55,080 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 2: top guys, I can't think of a better commercial than 791 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:06,840 Speaker 2: the one he started in today. Phenomenal, phenomenal. And you 792 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,560 Speaker 2: know another thing about it is, you know, keep your 793 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 2: hands up on the clinch break. But the way he 794 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: does it, he turns him and he gets the guy. Dude, 795 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 2: Larkin is waiting for the guy to do that. It's 796 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,800 Speaker 2: the same thing in wrestling. If I snap a guy down. 797 00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,040 Speaker 2: What's the reaction gonna be if I snap you down? 798 00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,239 Speaker 2: What's the reaction gonna be from a call from an 799 00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:27,279 Speaker 2: elbow tie and a collar tie? Ah, snap you down? 800 00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 2: The reaction is gonna be from the normal person is 801 00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 2: gonna want to if I'm pulling you down? What are 802 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,439 Speaker 2: they gonna want to do. They're gonna want to go up, 803 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,880 Speaker 2: and when they go up, you hit him. You just 804 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 2: time the double, so you snap him down waiting for 805 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 2: the rebound, and then you pop the double in between. 806 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,520 Speaker 2: That's the same thing he does here. He pulls the 807 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 2: guy waiting for him to step and all that does 808 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 2: is boom, set him up for the elbow, and. 809 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: He smoked him. He smoked him. 810 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,960 Speaker 2: He completely shut the lights off with one shot. It 811 00:39:55,160 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 2: was brutal, very very job well done. Kudos all of 812 00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:06,160 Speaker 2: that to Lorenz Larkin. Tonight just an absolutely massive, massive 813 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,440 Speaker 2: win that should have been shown on the main broadcast. 814 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 2: Henry Carrals gets a nice win Aliiev and then Steve 815 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 2: Mallory had a weird fight where Isiav kind of wins 816 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:19,680 Speaker 2: the first round, gets demolished in the second round, and 817 00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: then wins the third kind of like in a very 818 00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 2: body of Hohme top control Lamprey kind of way. So 819 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 2: it ends up being a draw because the second round 820 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 2: was an easy ten eight. 821 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:29,640 Speaker 1: Anyway. 822 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,279 Speaker 2: Chris Gonzalez defeating Max Roskoff. I might save that one, 823 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 2: you know what, else, that's the last one. 824 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: I'll go on. 825 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 2: I'll save the rest. Yeah, okay. I remember when Usmin 826 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 2: Nimerga madeff beat Chris Gonzalez. I had people being like, dude, 827 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,960 Speaker 2: nimer goa made's not beating anybody good, and I'm like, 828 00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 2: you're out of your fucking mind. Gonzalez is a team 829 00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 2: ALFA Milk guy, you know, NCAA, All American, the whole 830 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,439 Speaker 2: nine yards, great athlete. Yeah, like, it's hard to look 831 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:02,319 Speaker 2: good against usman Nimerga made off, Okay, but that doesn't 832 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,920 Speaker 2: mean you're not a good fighter. And he goes in 833 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 2: here against Max Roschkoff, who, by the way, hit an 834 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 2: amazing like turning inside arm throw he hit. He hit 835 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,440 Speaker 2: an amazing duck under to get the back. But Chris 836 00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 2: Gonzalez is a great striker. I think he was able 837 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 2: to connect and think with the right hand. I have 838 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,000 Speaker 2: to go back and look that also kind of landed. 839 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 2: It was legal, but kind of landed in the back 840 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:25,799 Speaker 2: of the head, and then just polished him off, and 841 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,880 Speaker 2: dude Gonzalez was his down blocking was excellent in this contest, 842 00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 2: Like Roschkoff had to really dig to get any takedowns 843 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 2: and couldn't do a whole lot with him when he 844 00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,439 Speaker 2: got him and dude, that's a very good grappler. He's 845 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,240 Speaker 2: very much reborn. I still think highly of his future 846 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 2: over extreme guitur. But this is my point. It's like 847 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,799 Speaker 2: everyone was like, oh, Gonzalez is a tomato. Can get 848 00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 2: the fuck out of here with that, dude, Chris Gonzalez 849 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:50,839 Speaker 2: is a very good fighter. Here's what happens, man. There's 850 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 2: a lot of people who actually don't watch Belatour. They 851 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 2: kind of half assed watch Belatore, and then they make 852 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,759 Speaker 2: these grand proclamations about who is there and how good 853 00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 2: it is. No Bellatore is not any organization to the UFC, 854 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 2: not even close. But you can't let that get in 855 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,080 Speaker 2: the way of identifying what our actual like, good fighters 856 00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,040 Speaker 2: like if you have to give them their due if 857 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,040 Speaker 2: they are owed it, and of course how that matches 858 00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 2: across any kind of aisle one or UFC or PFL. 859 00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:17,960 Speaker 2: We can get into those debates. But if you see 860 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:19,839 Speaker 2: a good fighter doing good things, you should say as much. 861 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,440 Speaker 2: Chris Gonzales is a good fighter, is a very good fighter, 862 00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 2: and this was a very good win that he was 863 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,439 Speaker 2: able to get. All right, I don't have anything else 864 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 2: there's I don't know if there's any bonuses. I mean, 865 00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 2: Beltmore does that, But overall, I guess we'll see how 866 00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:41,280 Speaker 2: things go for I'll say this, you know, it's almost 867 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,160 Speaker 2: kind of ho hum that Mma returned to CBS. This 868 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 2: was a big counterculture thing when it happened the last time. 869 00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 2: Let me tell you, it was a huge deal. It 870 00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 2: was a shake up in sports, and today it was 871 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 2: just another day, which I think is kind of a 872 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,720 Speaker 2: good thing, right, success, Like we don't have to constantly 873 00:42:54,760 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 2: fight for every inch of space to be treated as 874 00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 2: a sport, worth celebrating, worth broadcasting, worth being a part of. 875 00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 2: So that's really kind of nice. And last time, like 876 00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 2: they would have weird cruise for like the CBS shows, 877 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 2: like Gus Johnson was doing them, It's like, why is 878 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 2: he here here? They stuck with, you know, the reliable 879 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,880 Speaker 2: people who do all of their broadcasts, which is probably 880 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 2: the right call. I was glad to see that too. 881 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 2: Like they didn't try to go too crazy with it. 882 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 2: They wanted it to look nice, it seems to me, 883 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 2: but not be like over the top. They didn't want 884 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,640 Speaker 2: to They didn't want to have like the grandest show ever. 885 00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 2: They just want to have a good, solid, meaningful, impactful show. 886 00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 2: I think they got that. Whether or not they got 887 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,479 Speaker 2: the viewership for it very much remains to be seen. 888 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:42,399 Speaker 2: You know, I don't know. I don't know how that's. 889 00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: Going to go. 890 00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,840 Speaker 2: So we'll see that. Is it for me tonight? I 891 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 2: think yeah, it's it for me tonight. We'll call it 892 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,759 Speaker 2: an early one here back on Monday and they were 893 00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:53,920 Speaker 2: off to London. Yeah, that's it. So we got a 894 00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,600 Speaker 2: lot of stuff going on. So thank you guys so 895 00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,880 Speaker 2: much for watching, thumbs up, hit, subscribe, all that good stuff. 896 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,279 Speaker 2: And yeah, I'll see you guys on Monday with the 897 00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 2: wonderful Bryan Campbell and until then, enjoy the fights. 898 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,959 Speaker 1: Oh, get some sleep, do that? How about that? Bye, guys, 899 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:13,799 Speaker 1: see y'all later.