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Speaker 1: When you first got to both leagues. Who's the first

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Speaker 2: J and uh?

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Speaker 3: You know I was his team, you know, as a square,

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Speaker 3: you know. So I was his in seventy three. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Right up, I said, I'm a boy when I come in.

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Speaker 4: A little roll with that. Yo yo yo.

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Speaker 5: We live on location, me and d Miles out here

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Speaker 5: in Orlando, staying at home and staying safe. But this

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Speaker 5: is so so special right here, y'all, y'all not ready

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Speaker 5: for this man. We got one of the fifty greatest

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Speaker 5: got we got Jersey hanging up in the stadium.

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Speaker 4: We got mister.

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Speaker 5: Cool himself, the iceman, George Garvin in the building.

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Speaker 2: O G.

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Speaker 5: You don't know how much this means to us, coming

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Speaker 5: on here and chopping it up with us.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate, We over appreciate you, O G. We do.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I appreciate that man. Good to be here.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 5: If the nickname iceman come while you were in the

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Speaker 3: ABA Fatty Taylor, did the guys start naming me out

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Speaker 3: there again. I'm from Detroit, Man, you know, you know

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Speaker 3: what I would a big hat man address room. You know,

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Speaker 3: I mean I drove Cadillac, you know, Eldorado.

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Speaker 4: I mean.

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Speaker 3: I had that kind of styling. He started calling me

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Speaker 3: Ice man. You know, Man, I height, you know, and

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 3: So that's kind of like how I got my nickname man.

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Speaker 3: And you know, hey, man, I was just a part

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Speaker 3: of man. How we you know, how we came up

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Speaker 2: When I come up and they called me man. So

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Speaker 2: you can imagine that man, a brother like me, man

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Speaker 2: no crap like that man. When Ice came Man, that

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Speaker 2: Ice Man, I mean, amen, you know what what it

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, it's just being me man. You

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Speaker 3: know again, Man, you know, I just you know, done

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Speaker 3: some things and people thought it was.

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Speaker 4: Cool, right, ain't Joe? They thought it was cool. You

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Speaker 4: were just doing you d.

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Speaker 1: Me onein Luther King High School where it all started,

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Speaker 1: you had a gross spurt your senior year. How was

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Speaker 3: And then when I you know, okay, and sophomore, you know,

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Speaker 5: So so so so you now, one year you did

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Speaker 2: Man, I jumped up man. Man.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't believe it, but you know it was welcome,

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Speaker 5: So yeah, so in high school, right when you went

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Speaker 1: It made it easier because you can dribble, and all

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and once I you know, knew I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So your senior year, you was like feeling yourself

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Speaker 6: Man, you know, I had a brother man that was

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Speaker 6: real good before me, you know, Booker, and uh, he

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Speaker 2: He was about six two, but he was you know,

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Speaker 7: My brother was mine. Man, he was something special.

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Speaker 1: You was gonna go to Long Beach University with Jerry Torcine, like,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I mean, and it was a good

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Speaker 2: But man, it just didn't fit me. Man, California didn't

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Speaker 5: And I just you know, how was it for you

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Speaker 5: when you after you know, experiencing that seeing it didn't

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Speaker 5: How like you instantly started I started averaging almost thirty points.

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Speaker 3: I was comfortable, you know, I mean real comfortable. And

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Speaker 2: With me in high school. He was that Eastern you know,

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Speaker 3: Know I felt right at home when I you know,

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Speaker 1: Say, it was all nothing was the point guard that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and then I wasn't really that saw that,

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Speaker 3: It basically my grades, you know, my grades would let

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Speaker 2: So you know that's what we tell the young audience. Man.

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Speaker 3: You know, if you don't get good grades, man, you

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Speaker 3: and that don't work out all the time, you know.

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Speaker 2: But for me, it.

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Speaker 1: I want you to kind of explain the difference back

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Speaker 1: difference between the ABA and the NBA, Like what was

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Speaker 1: the difference Like most of the black players was in

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Speaker 3: Well, you know it was more young because you know

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Speaker 2: You know, and the CBA I was having about thirty eight.

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Speaker 2: So he told Earl Kate to take a look at him.

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Speaker 3: And they flew me in man, and you know, they

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Speaker 3: told me to shoot around man, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: Twenty seven out of thirty threes.

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 3: They signed me on the spot. So that's how I

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Speaker 2: So the ABA was really the only professional league for me,

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Speaker 3: I mean, we had a lot of young guys that

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Speaker 3: where he was going seventy and eighty point and in

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Speaker 3: the ABA was going one hundred and fifteen.

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Speaker 2: Hundred and twenty at night. So you know that was

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Speaker 4: Okay, so let let me ask you this.

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Speaker 5: Back when you was in the A B A, right,

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Speaker 5: who would you consider to be the person who talked

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Speaker 5: the most trash in the ABA doing during your hey day.

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Speaker 3: Man, y'all familiar with guy John Williamson played with the Nets.

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Speaker 4: I heard, yeah, I heard that name before.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Man. I mean, you know he was like a buffalo, man.

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Speaker 2: I mean the kind of brothers man that you know,

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Speaker 3: To say nothing to him, man, I mean, because he

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Speaker 3: was really intimidating.

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Speaker 2: And then on one to VOI was another guy.

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Speaker 4: Man, Okay, you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you get.

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Speaker 2: Man, but he was another one talking a lot of stuff.

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Speaker 2: But you know, overall, man, the league was beautiful. Man.

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Speaker 3: It really got me ready man for for the NBA. Man,

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Speaker 5: But you what you consider yourself a trash or was

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Speaker 2: You're gonna knock you out. I'm gonna get you.

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Speaker 5: I'm still from Detroit now, I don't forget that, but

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Speaker 4: Let's not forget that.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get you back, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: So you get rhythm, right, you know, I mean, so

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Speaker 3: I said fifty one, said career man. So I'm real

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Speaker 4: You know, that's big fifty.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, man, you should be.

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Speaker 1: When the NBA and the ABA was merged, and what

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Speaker 8: Like how did that feeling around the league?

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Speaker 1: And you know everybody can't go you know, when you

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Speaker 4: So how was that?

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Speaker 2: It was good? Man? I mean it was good for us,

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean because we had all the young guys.

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Speaker 3: You know, once we merged, you man, I mean, we

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Speaker 3: had ABA guys had something to prove.

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Speaker 2: You know, we had to prove to the NBA guys

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Speaker 3: So you know, we went in with a chip on

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Speaker 3: we could play too. You know, a lot of them

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Speaker 2: Man, it was great, man.

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Speaker 3: You know, like what Indiana joined the NBA Senate tone

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Speaker 2: But these four teams that joined the league, Man, what happened?

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Speaker 4: You know, what.

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Speaker 2: Happened to the other guys.

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Speaker 3: They had like a dispersal draft, you know, where they

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Speaker 2: Put them all in the draft, and then they had

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Speaker 1: So some teams were kind of a few little couple

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Speaker 4: Yeah, man, I mean they're good, man.

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Speaker 3: I mean I mean you know, if you look at

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Speaker 3: the guys on the from the ABA that made the

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Speaker 3: All Star team. You know, we was, man, you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, we came in man, proven that.

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Speaker 6: You know, we was a big part of.

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Speaker 1: I like that the finger roll. What what year did

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Speaker 3: You know I was doing it. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 4: Man.

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Speaker 2: But I guess it became famous.

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Speaker 3: Man, the more I did, and then the more people

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Speaker 2: Bacter they do that. I picked it up, man.

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Speaker 3: You know, Tony Hawkins had a favor role, had a

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Speaker 4: Well you know, well at the yeah, well yeah.

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Speaker 2: So we'll just go back and do that.

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Speaker 3: You know, you know, I kind of took a piece

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Y'all know, man, y'all pros man, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: You if you're a stupid.

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Speaker 2: Of the game, you learn from the vets.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: I mean, ain't nothing but learned from the vets, man.

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Speaker 2: And uh and that's what I did, man. And then

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Speaker 2: I started rolling that thing. Man.

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Speaker 4: That's all about.

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Speaker 5: Say you put you put your on, you put your

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Speaker 4: Yeah you made that thing. Let like what you start

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Speaker 4: you you have to flick the whole everything. It was

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Speaker 4: it's so pretty all right, man.

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Speaker 2: Then they couldn't get it. Man. You know that.

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Speaker 4: Right over there, you start, you know, you start freaking it.

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Speaker 5: Then once you start getting comfortable with you start putting

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Speaker 5: to the point to where all now I'm about to

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Speaker 5: I'm about to flick this thing up way over there

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Speaker 5: and let it float down over you like a like

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Speaker 5: a like a tear drop you can't touch, you know

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Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And like when did you start just

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, really what made it fun man? When

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Speaker 2: God kept talking. Man, I couldn't get that.

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Speaker 3: Man, you know, that's what made it fun man. And

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Speaker 3: and like you said, then it started making me ask

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Speaker 3: stuck with it, you know what I mean? Cause you

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Speaker 3: know you say how you because right, man, ain't a

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Speaker 3: pomer the ball and take the ball up and then

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Speaker 2: In the air. I mean it just made it different,

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Speaker 2: you know. For guys.

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Speaker 3: Now you say, man, I'm going to get that finger roll,

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Speaker 3: I said, okay, I gonna get.

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Speaker 2: It to you. You gonna get it if you can't.

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Speaker 4: And then as you do it from a long ways right,

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean. So man, it just became fun.

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Speaker 2: You know, it was just my shot, man. I mean,

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Speaker 2: they be.

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Speaker 3: Saying, God, finger roll today, man, I'd be saying, man,

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Speaker 3: that ain't no finger roll.

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Speaker 5: Man, Let me tell let me, let me tell you.

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Speaker 5: They got this new thing. Guy, They trying to. They

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Speaker 5: trying to still they try to take your swag. And

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Speaker 5: you know how the youngest do it. They remix it.

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Speaker 5: They called it. They call it what is it, jelly

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Speaker 5: que is it jelly jelly?

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Speaker 4: They call it jelly roll and jelly roll?

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Speaker 5: Like, come on, man, this man, they justle my man

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Speaker 5: finger One thing I can do is singer roll. I've

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Speaker 5: seen the commercial.

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Speaker 8: Hey, but you you know that.

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Speaker 1: You know the real people who really knew how to

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Speaker 1: finger roll, they can finger.

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Speaker 8: Roll from the side of the gold.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people can only do it in the

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Speaker 1: front because the back boy used to help him out

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Speaker 1: if it bounced. But I used to see highlights of

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Speaker 1: you from the side of the gold friend with you

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Speaker 1: gotta hit all and to get this. You can't use

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Speaker 1: no backboard with this roll like like that's man, I only.

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Speaker 3: Did it with one hand, you know, my right little

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Speaker 3: doing that fan right. Look, look you know I man

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Speaker 3: hit you that fan role contest over the back.

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Speaker 2: Jesus that man.

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Speaker 4: So let me ask you this.

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Speaker 5: Was it true that you started finger rolling because you

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Speaker 5: was tired of hurting your wrists dunking it? Yeah, man, everybody,

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Speaker 5: man roll you gotta.

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Speaker 4: Be nice to do that. This required some still right here.

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Speaker 2: This ain't just.

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Speaker 4: Going in there to the basket.

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Speaker 5: Like you gotta you gotta be nice this, This requires

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Speaker 5: somethiness in touch to it.

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Speaker 4: Everybody can't do this, that's the key.

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Speaker 2: Everybody don't. But if you can, you know, that's how

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Speaker 2: you say. I love it?

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Speaker 4: Beautiful right there? That's beautiful right now? Oh man?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Who taught you or who is stilled in you the

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Speaker 1: relentless scorn to have the killer mindset, the killer instant

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Speaker 1: like I'm finna put bucket after bucket and.

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Speaker 8: Ain't nothing y'all can do about it? Who put that

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: My my, my high school coach.

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Speaker 3: Now I give a lot of credit, man, because you

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Speaker 3: know he made me fundamentally sound, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, fundamentally sound.

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Speaker 3: Y'all don't know what that is where I can do

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Speaker 3: a lot, you know I was fundamentally I can go right,

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Speaker 3: I can go left, I can use both hands. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I can live it up with both hands. And you

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Speaker 3: So you know, having that kind of you know, foundation

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Speaker 3: and stuff man, So I mean I could get it better,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: And then I ain't never not practice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I shot the ball five six

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Speaker 3: hundred times a day, going right, going left, bat shots

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Speaker 3: and stuff man. And you know, so I got consistent.

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Speaker 3: So man, you know, I got that confidence man. And

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Speaker 3: you know, once you have confidence that you can do something,

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Speaker 3: you know, That's how I was able to score like I.

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Speaker 8: Have today's player.

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Speaker 1: Like you see a player like James Harden, you know,

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Speaker 1: same pedigree of just scoring just he's a scoring machine.

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Speaker 1: To see the guys in your era, who's the scoring

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Speaker 1: machine evolving forty years later now to the day, to

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Speaker 1: seeing the new scoring machines like over the years, you

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Speaker 1: just send generations from the eighties to the nineties.

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Speaker 8: How do it look to you?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you know, for me, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: so it's two different eras.

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Speaker 3: They added stuff for these guys, you know what I mean.

449
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,320
Speaker 3: It's like when I play, you can put your hands

450
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 3: on me, you can start my forward progress and stuff,

451
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

452
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 2: You know, so it made it a lot for me

453
00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 2: to score.

454
00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 3: I mean for the guys who score today, guys can

455
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 3: put your hand behind the back and guard.

456
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 2: You know.

457
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:19,719
Speaker 3: That's anybody can scold if you put your hand behind

458
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:20,399
Speaker 3: your back, you know.

459
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:24,760
Speaker 2: So I take from these guys and make up that's

460
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 2: how the game is played now. Man.

461
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 3: But uh James flat out shoot the ball, you know,

462
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:34,520
Speaker 3: I mean, is the uh accurate?

463
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 2: He's streaky, you know what I mean? So you know,

464
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 2: am I impressed with that?

465
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 3: I'm impressed with some of the long shots he shoot,

466
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and some of the situations

467
00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,440
Speaker 3: that he's shooting in. But you're talking to a guy

468
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 3: that you know, average thirty and shot fifty percent, where

469
00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:00,439
Speaker 3: guy's average thirty eight in shoot thirty five or forty percent.

470
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,720
Speaker 3: You know, so I ain't gonna be got in press

471
00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 3: or somebody else might say, oh, he's the greatest score

472
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 3: of all time.

473
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:11,760
Speaker 2: Then I'd been saying, what criteria are you using? Ain't

474
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 2: another step? They call it a step crew, you know

475
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 2: what I mean?

476
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 4: So right now he ain't have changed, you know what?

477
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 3: Sayce I played, you know, so it's hard to compare

478
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,680
Speaker 3: to what I did the versus how they do it.

479
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:31,480
Speaker 2: You know. And again I ain't got nothing, you know,

480
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 2: I ain't ad at nothing.

481
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,919
Speaker 3: You know, like when Klay Thompson broke my record, you

482
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 3: know when I got thirty three and the four. You know,

483
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,639
Speaker 3: Clay got twenty seven points and three, you know, and

484
00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 3: end up getting it thirty seven points.

485
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 4: You know, I got mine with no threes.

486
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 8: Right, you know, tell so you.

487
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 2: Know what I mean. So what did he break my record?

488
00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 3: Well, you could put an asterist behind it and say

489
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 3: he broke my but then he really of the press

490
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 3: called me the ice man.

491
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 2: He broke your record. Ain't breaking my record? He shot.

492
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 3: Right.

493
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,159
Speaker 4: Listen, this is this is one of the things that

494
00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 4: I did.

495
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:15,880
Speaker 3: I don't.

496
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 4: I know.

497
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 5: I was unaware about you, and I'm unsure of a

498
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 5: lot of other people know about you because we see

499
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,160
Speaker 5: it about how you was a you know what I'm saying,

500
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 5: scoring machine, scoring title three four years and stuff like that.

501
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,080
Speaker 5: But when you retired, you had the most blocks by

502
00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:33,880
Speaker 5: any guard in NBA history, not until recently when my boy,

503
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 5: my boy d Wade broke that record as far as

504
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 5: like like talk about that side of the ball, because

505
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,680
Speaker 5: obviously you're you know what I'm saying, revered and Hall

506
00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 5: of Fame for getting buckets and scoring being ice man.

507
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,359
Speaker 5: But I didn't know that part about you having the

508
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 5: most shots of all time as a guard, I mean

509
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 5: blocking the most shots as a guard.

510
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 4: Talk about that side.

511
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 5: Of the ball and how you how you obviously impacted

512
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 5: the game on that end as well, But that's not

513
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 5: talking about as much.

514
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 9: They don't let me and they, you know, they say

515
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 9: I couldn't play no d and I mean, you know,

516
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,919
Speaker 9: but I could score so well. I mean it's like

517
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 9: anything else, they'll find something else to say about you.

518
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 9: But I mean I had one year, I had one

519
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 9: hundred and ten block shots year one year, you know,

520
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 9: and that forwards and centers didn't have that type of

521
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 9: you know, a block.

522
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 3: So you know, I took pride in guarding people. You know,

523
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: I took pride in going up and getting them. You know,

524
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 3: you think you beat me and I come up behind

525
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,359
Speaker 3: here and go get it. You know, you know I

526
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: took pride in that, man, And I'm glad you brought

527
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: that up, man, because you know, for these young guys

528
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 3: to think you just play on one end, I mean no,

529
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 3: I don't play on one end, man.

530
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,639
Speaker 2: You know I wanted to stop you with it.

531
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: I wanted to come down and score, So I took

532
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 3: pride in blocking guys shots.

533
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 1: Since you retired. Who was that one guy that's played

534
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 1: that kind of reminds you of you with KD? I

535
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: mean we call it his I was just Red, That's

536
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: who I see.

537
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 3: He scores different than me, you know, but as far

538
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: as putting it in.

539
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,479
Speaker 2: The hole, he just is effective, you know.

540
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 3: And once he added that in between games, he even

541
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 3: gonna be more effective, you know, because I can tell

542
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: him that once you start shooting that in between, man,

543
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:26,159
Speaker 3: you six to eleven, ain't nobody there, you know what

544
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: I mean? And he shoots deeper than me. I mean,

545
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 3: I mean he he just to me an unbelievable player.

546
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,240
Speaker 3: Man at his side and what he's able to do. Man,

547
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 3: he definitely wanted to top in the league. Man, sad

548
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 3: man that you know he hurt himself, but you know,

549
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 3: injuries all part of the game.

550
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: Man. Any one of us kept on somebody foot will

551
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 2: come down bad and get hurt. Man, that's just all

552
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 2: part of it. Man. You just hope that they can recover.

553
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to uh to be on the

554
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: front cover or something, take pictures or with the N

555
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: b A. And you know, some of the pictures turned

556
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: out to be iconic, turned out to move the culture.

557
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: One of the most famous pictures, one of the pictures

558
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,080
Speaker 1: I love the most is when you're sitting on the

559
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 1: ice throng and you take us through that photo shoot

560
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: where you know, the ice throng with the ice ball

561
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 1: like till this day, that's one of the dopest photos

562
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: in NBA history I've ever seen.

563
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 8: And it's still iconic to this day.

564
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: I know people probably still say stuff to you about

565
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 1: the iconic photo. So can you just take us to

566
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 1: that photo shoot and then did you think that photo

567
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: be laughing so long?

568
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 8: Where people love it?

569
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: And remember that that's a good story.

570
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 4: Man.

571
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 6: Man, you know, we did it and they you.

572
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 3: Know, you know when we did that poster, man, you know,

573
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 3: Nike started.

574
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: Doing poster you know what I mean.

575
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 6: But you know, they didn't want for a double gig

576
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 6: Gar doll games, they didn't want for.

577
00:26:53,720 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 3: Maurice Lucas duncan Stein. You know, they did the iceman. Man,

578
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 3: and man, you know, I went into Portland, man, and

579
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 3: they put me in this uh, this ice house, you know,

580
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 3: and they had the ice in the wait so.

581
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 5: Wait, oh, see that was the real ice on It

582
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:15,960
Speaker 5: wasn't like a fake thing.

583
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: That was like a real ice blood.

584
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man.

585
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 5: Oh I never knew that that real.

586
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 4: Oh that's that's dope right now, Like I never knew

587
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 4: that was real ice. Yeah.

588
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: Man.

589
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 3: They carved that thing that day in front of me, man,

590
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 3: And they carved that ice chair. And then you know,

591
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 3: if you really looked real close, you could see me

592
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: sitting on plastic. You know, you know it's noa matal,

593
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 3: I'm sitting on the plastic.

594
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 8: Man.

595
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 3: So they carved that ice chair out man, and start

596
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 3: taking They.

597
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: Took about a thousand pictures.

598
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 5: See now you defined it cool and the whole other way.

599
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,439
Speaker 5: You're telling me you was in the ice cold breeze

600
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 5: ice house and you were sitting there looking like everything

601
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 5: was cochesthetic and everything like that ice feel me for

602
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 5: the ice man.

603
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 3: You gotta have it like that ice care man.

604
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 5: That's crazy. Some people get looked ice thams for the parties.

605
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 5: The ice coach is a littles conscious thing that they

606
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 5: get it.

607
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 4: They can get a man the whole ice thrown.

608
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 3: That's so that's that's how they did it, man, And

609
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 3: and that's how that postal got started, and you know,

610
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: you're right.

611
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: I mean I never knew, man, that people would have

612
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: that thing on their wall.

613
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,120
Speaker 5: Man.

614
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 2: Throughout my career.

615
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 3: And after, I mean people still a man, I had

616
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: that postal man.

617
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: On my wall, man, and you know, I mean, it's

618
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: it's a good feeling.

619
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 3: Man, to to know, man, that you know, people appreciate

620
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: your game, man, you know, and I always been a

621
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 3: people person anyway, man, So you know, man, I truly

622
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: respect that.

623
00:28:58,400 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: Man, I really do.

624
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 5: One of the things you said when you said about

625
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 5: the you know, the style and the swag that y'all

626
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 5: brought in the way you was doing it. Like the

627
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 5: first time I ever met you, right, I was in college.

628
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 5: So you know I went to De Paul my freshman year.

629
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: Your son g was playing for Houston.

630
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 5: Now, this was one of the last games that they

631
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 5: had in Lumna Hall before they tore it down.

632
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: Now, I'll never.

633
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 5: Forget this, right cause I'm like, I'm not expecting you know,

634
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 5: you to be there, none of that. I knew that

635
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 5: you know your son plays, so we you know, I'm

636
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 5: there whatever this third third, like we in.

637
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 4: That one, man, I turned around.

638
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 5: Iceman standing there in the full lane, first coat White

639
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 5: Giant would have had on a match boy like on

640
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 5: some Frank Lucas John. I'm sitting there like, you know,

641
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 5: it's snowing. It as cold in Chicago right now, so

642
00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 5: he was he was. He was dressed with a k

643
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 5: because you know we in the up line. Woman up

644
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 5: there they thinking.

645
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: Man. When he came in, it was like you already

646
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 4: know the whole building.

647
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 5: Like, oh ice, man, there he's standing in there, got

648
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 5: a long first I say, don, the man got.

649
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 4: On the He was the epitome of cool.

650
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 5: He was just standing out like, oh, that's hestman, George

651
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 5: Gerdon right there. And it was like you just made

652
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 5: me thinking that when we would sitting here saying that story.

653
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 4: Man, that's crazy.

654
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: When I was young, I watched the ceremony with a

655
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: halftime ceremony of the top fifties greatest players and then.

656
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 8: Y'all came out.

657
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 1: Y'all had y'all jackets and all that stuff, like it

658
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: was like, man, your your all time favorites. I remember

659
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: Mike them come out after, you know, after halftime, with

660
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 1: their jerseys and stuff on and put them on to

661
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: get selected to the top fiftiest greatest players. Guys who

662
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: was older than you, and guys who came behind you

663
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: in this group of fifty and some of the most

664
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,320
Speaker 1: killers people in this game.

665
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 5: And it's only fifty. You are part of the only

666
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 5: special fifty.

667
00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 6: It really is Man as a tribute Man to what

668
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 6: you accomplish Man in the game.

669
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 8: Man.

670
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 3: And you know, to be recognized Man as one of

671
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: the fifty greatest Man. And you know what I mean,

672
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: think about it. Man, Like I said, I didn't win

673
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: a championship, Man, but I'm in the hall and I'm

674
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 3: one of the fifty greatest. I mean, so I have honors,

675
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 3: Man and the individual honors.

676
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: Man.

677
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 3: But you know, in the end, as you know, we

678
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 3: go in there to win it all. Yet we still

679
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 3: go in there, Man to do our best.

680
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: You know, I ain't play Man to be a Hall

681
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: of Famer. Man. I played it because I loved it.

682
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: Man, I understood it and I got pretty good at it.

683
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 2: Man, and they put me in all right, you know,

684
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 2: So you don't. Purpose wasn't to be a Hall of Famer.

685
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 3: My purpose was to get numbers entertained, you know, and

686
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 3: try to win a championship, Man, so to be able

687
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 3: to have that honor.

688
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 5: Man.

689
00:31:56,840 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 2: You know, Man, and y'all know what y'all.

690
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 3: Ballplayer Man to be right and last one of the

691
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 3: fifty greatest Man for Man and I truly appreciate it.

692
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 5: Tell me about like U two at the end, because

693
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: I see this with a lot of the ogs when

694
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 5: you guys placed out, Like my coach was Bob Mackuldo

695
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 5: and when I played for Miami and he spent time

696
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 5: overseas after his time in the NBA.

697
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: To tell me about how how that was for you.

698
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 5: Like you still like after having a long ABA and

699
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 5: NBA career, you went and played in Europe and you

700
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 5: still was a walking bucket, still went over there averaging

701
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 5: twenty five twenty six points a game, And just tell

702
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 5: me about your experience overseas and how that was in

703
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 5: contrast to when you, you know, had your years in

704
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: the AB and the NBA.

705
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: Well, you know, good for me, Man, because you know, Man,

706
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: once I left your cog on Man and you know

707
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: I left MIC and.

708
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: Them, you know, I knew I was had my turn.

709
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 3: You know, So that being able to go over to

710
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 3: Italy and play Man, it was a good.

711
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: Come down for me, you know, because you only played

712
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: one game a week right on Sunday at five o' five.

713
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: I mean, and but you played, we had eighteen thousand

714
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: CE arena. You know, I'm living in a unbelievable country

715
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: as far as it ley. I mean, it was more

716
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: of our kids than have a chance to go over

717
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: there and just see that history.

718
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: And fortunately for me, my kids went over there.

719
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: When an international school. You know, my wife and you know,

720
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: we all went over there and lived over there, and

721
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: we played for a team called Michael di Roma and.

722
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: I played against Macado who played for Milan, you know,

723
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 2: and him and.

724
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 5: Dan Tony Heyday, yeah right.

725
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: Then played with me for Santario for a year.

726
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 3: Two okay, you know, so we went over there and

727
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: played man at me man when when Malone played Rome, Man,

728
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 3: we couldn't get nobody in the gym man. I mean,

729
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,479
Speaker 3: it's eighteen thousand seats man, and you couldn't get nobody

730
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 3: in the gym man. So it was a it was

731
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: a great experience for me, man, I mean, and you

732
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: know then I left there and went over and played

733
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: in Barcelona for a year, and uh so you know,

734
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 3: international ball man was really starting to take off. You know,

735
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 3: I think me and ma could do was probably two

736
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 3: of the first premier guys to go over there and.

737
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 2: Play, man. And it was good for me.

738
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 8: Man.

739
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed it.

740
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 8: Man.

741
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: It really helped me understand man that you know, it

742
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 2: was time to say goodbye, you know.

743
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 4: What I mean.

744
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: You know I had my turn, man, and you know

745
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: I was satisfied with it.

746
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 2: Man. You know I didn't win the championship.

747
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: Man.

748
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 3: I was sad about that, man, just being you know,

749
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 3: a guy that love the game.

750
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 2: Man. But you know wrong, I felt like a champion, man.

751
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 3: So it was time to hang up my shoes, man,

752
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: and take off my golf club.

753
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 4: Right. That's right, that's right. Pick up the fishing polls too.

754
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's all I do.

755
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this, do you think do you

756
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 5: think that time when you, like you said, the time

757
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 5: you spent, the experiences you had over the overseas, that

758
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,400
Speaker 5: kind of that kind of position your son g to

759
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,320
Speaker 5: be able to do it. He's doing that because I

760
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 5: know he I talked to him off and on. I

761
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 5: know he's coaching overseas and doing and doing that whole thing.

762
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 5: So you think that kind of opened his eyes at

763
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 5: the early age of that being a possibility and things

764
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 5: like that.

765
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: Man, I'm so proud of him, Q Man.

766
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm proud of him, man, because you know

767
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:19,080
Speaker 6: I really thought, man, his ability, Man, that he could

768
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 6: play in the league.

769
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 5: He could have He could, like I tell people all

770
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 5: the time, like he was leading not conference and scoring

771
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 5: a was like almost like thirty or something.

772
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 4: He was a walking bucket.

773
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, he could play, man.

774
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: I mean, but you know, I was so proud of him, man,

775
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: because you know, some guys, man, don't get that opportunity, man,

776
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: and they tank, you know, and their life is changed.

777
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 4: Man.

778
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: But he loved the game, you know.

779
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 3: So you know, by living overseas, he already experienced it.

780
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 2: So I think it was easier for him to go

781
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: over there and play. Yeah, you know, so he went

782
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 2: over there and played.

783
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 4: Man.

784
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: He played over about twelve years. Man. He won up.

785
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: You know, I got a couple of championships over there, man,

786
00:35:57,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: out of in Stockholm, Sweden.

787
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 2: You know, now you coach, you know they got a family, got.

788
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 3: Me three, you know, a two brand kids, yeah, but

789
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 3: another one on the way.

790
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 4: Man, that's a little girls. Yes, you know.

791
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: So I'm real proud in him, man. And you know

792
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: y'all have children, Man, That's what life's all about, man,

793
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 3: I mean, is to see your babies, man grow up

794
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 3: and have that same passion for life as you do.

795
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: Man, and you know you're a good dude.

796
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: That's what I was about to say to you. Man,

797
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:30,760
Speaker 4: you did. I commend you because.

798
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 5: It's you know, growing up with the ice manage your daddy,

799
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 5: you could easily be a little arrogant asshole. And G

800
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 5: is one of the coolest down the earth dudes there is,

801
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 5: So I mean, I definitely salute you guys on the

802
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 5: way you did that, because he's definitely one of the coolest,

803
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 5: humble and good guys that you you know that you

804
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 5: come across and you know, you know, we know how

805
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 5: we are as athletes. We know people when we meet

806
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 5: him and we get to be around, we get to

807
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 5: see what they're about. And to a man, G is

808
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 5: really one of the good dudes all the time, always

809
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 5: cool and positive and pretty much it's the same every

810
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 5: time I talked to him. So that's a good job on.

811
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: That your son had the opportunity to play for the

812
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: famous Globe Trotters, like as a black kid is deav

813
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: like an NBA team coming up.

814
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 8: You know, when you were younger and to see.

815
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: Your son playing for such a historic team. I was

816
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 1: that to see your son play for the Globe Trotters.

817
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 2: It was fun, man. I mean you know he had

818
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 2: all the talents, man.

819
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you know je can do all do everything

820
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: man all man. I mean, I mean he was real

821
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,360
Speaker 3: special man when he came.

822
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 4: To that ball.

823
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 3: So you know that was something man that he just

824
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 3: stuck his hand in man to do for a minute.

825
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: I mean he loved the game the other way like

826
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 2: we loved it.

827
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know that, you know the glove strictly you

828
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 3: know stage, you know what I mean, You know what

829
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 3: I mean, and you know that wasn't something that but.

830
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 8: You know, like like the Globe Trotters is a.

831
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 3: Silver worldwide things.

832
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Like it's simple when it's really a symbol for them

833
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: black kids. Like I remember when I used to see

834
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: it when I was younger, just to see it didn't

835
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,400
Speaker 1: look like the other NBA games or another game. But

836
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: it always sticks out and it's always means something to me,

837
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: and it's always going to be respected because that was

838
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: like something for us to go and see, to put

839
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: a smile on the black kids face, to go and

840
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: see it. To anybody who played with I respect it

841
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: to the team.

842
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: You know, looking at it like that, ain't no question,

843
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, because that was America's basketball team,

844
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 3: I mean and the world's basketball team all over the world.

845
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: I mean, them guys created something man that you know,

846
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,400
Speaker 3: people probably really didn't think that it was gonna last

847
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 3: as long as it did.

848
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 2: But it had a lot of entertainment.

849
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 4: Man.

850
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 2: And but Geta had that chance to play on it.

851
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he enjoyed it, and you know, I think

852
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: he did it for a couple of years, and you.

853
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 2: Know, it was just another part of his history.

854
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 4: Man.

855
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, and then blow is definitely something special. Man.

856
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: Your jersey retirement, you know, to get your jersey, your

857
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 1: time and to go to the stadium and just see

858
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: your name and your family name and your jersey and

859
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: the raptors for what you did. How was that to

860
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: have that like a home, like you will be a

861
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Spur for life, you know, have somewhere to go to

862
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: and like you always be known as Iceman sentence on

863
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: your spur.

864
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 2: I'm a Spur man, I mean I'm a Spur through

865
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: and through.

866
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 4: Man.

867
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 2: You know I'm still in the front office. Yeah, I

868
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 2: still get you know, I mean, man, they treat me

869
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 2: man like I still play, you know.

870
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: And I really am man. You know, people always say, man,

871
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: well they should, man, they owe you. They don't owe

872
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 3: me nothing. They gave me all my money, they owe me.

873
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: I mean, so they don't owe me nothing.

874
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 5: Man.

875
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 6: But this is a relationship that I have with them,

876
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 6: and it's one man, fortunately for me.

877
00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 5: You know, it is uh.

878
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,840
Speaker 2: You know, I had that jersey up in the rapping

879
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 2: with you know, Kim and David and Malo.

880
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 3: I mean, the guys that won five championship year and

881
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 3: you know, I got five championship brings that I would

882
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 3: never wear, you know.

883
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 2: Because I didn't win none of them, know what I mean.

884
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: And y'all know, you know, ain't gonna wear something man

885
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 3: that I just don't believe in that man. I mean,

886
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 3: but man, it's a great franchise, y'all. Man, this Bird franchise. Man,

887
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 3: it's a great franchise.

888
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: Man. And I'm still probably be a part of it.

889
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 4: Man.

890
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 3: People always say, man, when you at the game. I said, Man,

891
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 3: I'm always at the game. Just look up there in

892
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: the Yeah.

893
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 4: I'm not permanently, man, not that thing.

894
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 5: I ain't out every night even when y'all later I'm

895
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 5: in that job I have. I have a special appreciation

896
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 5: for those type of organizations like the Spurs to really

897
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 5: take care of the greats and the and the you

898
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,919
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, the people that paved the way,

899
00:40:56,960 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 5: and they really really put the organization on the because

900
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 5: like you say, you know that's true. And I think

901
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 5: that's why you you know what I'm saying, the situation

902
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 5: that you're in where they take care of you and

903
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 5: it's it's a great relationship because all the things you said,

904
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 5: how you treat people the way you supposed to you

905
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 5: want to be treated, how you do things, and I

906
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 5: think that you know, that's just the good comment is

907
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 5: coming around you that you're supposed to get. But I

908
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 5: think on the other side, when people say that's what

909
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 5: organizations supposed.

910
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 4: To do in the way they are, but we know

911
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 4: that they all don't.

912
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 5: And that's why I appreciate those ones like the Spurs

913
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 5: and those teams.

914
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: That you see those people every eye.

915
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 5: I smile every time I look at anything with Miami

916
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 5: and they you gon't see Alonzo morning, you know what

917
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 5: I'm saying, And next it's gonna you gonna see you

918
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 5: Donni's has them in that same type of vein that you.

919
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 4: See them taking care of Alonzo.

920
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 5: So, I mean, I just feel like that's just on

921
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,280
Speaker 5: something that's only right when you got a guy like yourself,

922
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 5: you are, you know what I'm saying you everybody gonna

923
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 5: relate you to a spur that that's the way it

924
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 5: should be. And they shure honored that that way. And

925
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 5: it's just great to see when those teams do.

926
00:41:55,800 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's important, man, patient know what I mean,

927
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 3: And that going way back to the ABA day, you know,

928
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 3: that's just good to see, man. I mean, that's what

929
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 3: you know. Like you say, Man, I wish more franchised

930
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 3: man would bring a lot of the guys that helped

931
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: build this foundation and make them a face, you know,

932
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: make them a part of you know, the success that

933
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 3: they have. And I mean we got probably one hundred

934
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 3: and fifteen ABA guys left man, you know that don't

935
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: have pensions, you know, And that's something man. I wish

936
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 3: that the NBA man would step in and do, man

937
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: and help these guys out being two thousand.

938
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 2: Dollars a month. Man for these guys.

939
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: Man while they still living, man, I mean, it ain't

940
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 3: gonna hurt the lead, you know what I mean.

941
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it can.

942
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 3: Really change these guys' lives, man, all the pioneers, Man

943
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 3: that you.

944
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 2: Get this lead to where it is today.

945
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: Man, A sad part about you know these guys Man,

946
00:42:59,120 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 3: that's struggling.

947
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know what I want to ask you, like

948
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 5: speaking of like how you saying you still you know,

949
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 5: you've been in the front office with the Spurs and

950
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 5: all that stuff all these times. So just thinking back

951
00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 5: to like how you guys used to travel in the

952
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 5: ABA in the early days of the NBA.

953
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:16,399
Speaker 4: Tell me about the.

954
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 5: First time when you when you got on a team

955
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 5: charter and start like, oh, man, like.

956
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 4: This, how they doing it now?

957
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 5: Like this is this is like tell me the differences

958
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 5: of just how you guys had to travel as far

959
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 5: as like getting on regularly scheduled flights at the airport

960
00:43:29,880 --> 00:43:32,439
Speaker 5: and stuff like that, and then just how it is now.

961
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: It's scary, man, you know, But I coached with John

962
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 2: Lucas with the Spurs out you know, in the early

963
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: two thousands, man, and I.

964
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 3: Got all that charter plank. Man, I say, Man, you

965
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 3: gotta be kidding me. Man, We got on Southwest you know,

966
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 3: when I was playing, I mean we got on running fairlines, man,

967
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 3: and you know some of them didn't have the first class.

968
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: And then when we got on first class, man on

969
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 3: the starters or riding first class.

970
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 2: I mean it was I.

971
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: Mean we stayed in Motel sixes man, you know, I mean,

972
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 3: you know, we took vans to the game.

973
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 2: Sometimes sometimes we drove our own cars to the game.

974
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 8: Man.

975
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: So you know, you know for the training room, man,

976
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: you know, we had you know how they have these

977
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: hot tubs and all that kind of stuff. Man, we

978
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,640
Speaker 2: had that silver hotub with the motor on the side. Man,

979
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: I mean in the bathroom in the show. So it

980
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: was it was still beautiful, man. I mean you know,

981
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 2: I mean because I'm in the lead, you know, right,

982
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: I never lost sight of that. Man. I was still

983
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 2: getting a check. But the sea weed has grown, man,

984
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,360
Speaker 2: God leave man.

985
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 3: I mean, it's just to see the facilities these guys got, man,

986
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 3: the nutrition these guys got, man, they got everything in

987
00:44:58,880 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 3: front of them.

988
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 2: Men to to get back, you know.

989
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 4: Excuse me, it's no excuses, right.

990
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:06,960
Speaker 2: Shot it man.

991
00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 3: For you have to make a creek though, Man, you

992
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 3: not to be to shoot forty eight percent, man, with

993
00:45:13,600 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: all of the shooting machines.

994
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 5: All man, I told my friend you so you know,

995
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 5: I did direct the player development for two years in Detroit,

996
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 5: and I was sitting there and I was like, yo,

997
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:25,280
Speaker 5: I was really telling them, like, you know, a couple.

998
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:26,839
Speaker 4: Of my peers is not in the league no more.

999
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 5: I be talked to my like, dude, it's no excuse

1000
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 5: for anything anymore.

1001
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 4: Like if it's not like.

1002
00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:35,160
Speaker 5: Literally, if they don't have it available where you have

1003
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 5: in your hand, somebody's thinking of it and trying to

1004
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 5: do it whatever they could possibly need. Like right now,

1005
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 5: coming out of this quarantine, everything, like people are making

1006
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 5: up things for them to have available to them, to

1007
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 5: just have for whatever, for what, like whatever you want

1008
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 5: to talk about, conditioning, lifting, shooting, whatever, dribbling, like every

1009
00:45:56,840 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 5: they are creating things every single day. It's no excuse

1010
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 5: for you to not get better at all. There's no excuse.

1011
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 5: So how do you look at it now? When you

1012
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 5: see you know, you look back last year, you see

1013
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 5: a kid like you know Zion, he goes number one,

1014
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 5: he gets you know, these kids now when they get

1015
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 5: picked number one or get drafted, they making tens, twenties, thirties,

1016
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 5: you know.

1017
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 4: How many millions of dollars?

1018
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,239
Speaker 5: Like when you signed your deal with the Squires, you

1019
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 5: signed for forty thousand. Like, how do you look at

1020
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 5: it from from you being a you know, an og

1021
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 5: in the game, looking at it from where it's come to?

1022
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 5: How far these guys have gotten it too? Now what

1023
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 5: how do you look at it? And does that blow

1024
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 5: your mind to see the type of money that's being

1025
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 5: made compared to where it started at?

1026
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:44,920
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, I come up from welfare

1027
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: and I come up from my mom raised six kids.

1028
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 3: Man trying to make forty thousand back in the seventies

1029
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 3: with good money for me?

1030
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 4: You know, you know what I mean?

1031
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 2: Again, I signed a three year deal, but like one

1032
00:46:57,840 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousands, you know, so that's.

1033
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 3: Good money what the guy's making to day. You I

1034
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: mean for me, I'm just so glad to see it,

1035
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Because it ain't even well

1036
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 3: or not you you know, you know, we'll say, you mean,

1037
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 3: you think he good enough to make a hundred million?

1038
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: Well it ain't.

1039
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 3: Why or not he good enough to make a hundred million.

1040
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 3: That's the lead that he is and that's the salary

1041
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 3: that they got to pay if they.

1042
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: Want to amend the lead. So I'm proud to be

1043
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:28,320
Speaker 2: a part.

1044
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: Of that foundation to really get this game, you know,

1045
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: and the lead solid for guys like that can make

1046
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 3: a lot of money, man. So you know, I don't

1047
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 3: really care what a guy made, man, I just care

1048
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 3: about him being able to take care of it, you know.

1049
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: I think that's the key for older guy man that

1050
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 3: you know understand and value that dollar.

1051
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 4: Man.

1052
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: So I don't mind, man, I just it ain't how

1053
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 3: much you make it, how much you learn how to

1054
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 3: keep you know.

1055
00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: So that's what we understand.

1056
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 5: And and we we we gotta tell you another appreciation

1057
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 5: because you definitely wanted the one of the forefils that

1058
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 5: helped us get.

1059
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:06,919
Speaker 4: To this point.

1060
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 5: And you know, you were one of the people that

1061
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 5: was that they helped lay them break papers to get

1062
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 5: get this game to where it is right now. So

1063
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 5: we definitely always you don't want to go overboard with

1064
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 5: salute you on neck because because all of you, all

1065
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 5: of you guys that that came before us, there's no

1066
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 5: way we would be able to make the type of

1067
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 5: money or live the type of lives we live without

1068
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: you guys doing everything y'all, did you know, in all

1069
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 5: of those early years, making sure that we could even

1070
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 5: get to this point.

1071
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, make a difference, man.

1072
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: You know, you think about it, man, Oscar Robertson in

1073
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 3: them in that era, them guys you know, had jobs

1074
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:41,240
Speaker 3: in the summer.

1075
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't making money. I made, you know, so

1076
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, just to see it grow, you know,

1077
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: over the years, man, that's all we want, man, I.

1078
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 3: Mean, because you know, I gotta know, man, you know,

1079
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 3: if you look at geographically, man, and you look who's

1080
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 3: in the NBA, you know, that's a good job for us.

1081
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:00,399
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1082
00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a that's a good job, man.

1083
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 3: I mean, so more guys had that kind of opportunity,

1084
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, you know all of us, you know, but.

1085
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 2: Everybody gonna be a next one x NBA player. And

1086
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: if you're NBA player.

1087
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 8: I got a little fun question for you.

1088
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: You have to start, you have to bench, and you

1089
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: have to cut one of these people, doctor j.

1090
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 8: Elgen Baylor, Oscar Robson, Man.

1091
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 4: I mean, uh.

1092
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's only three of them. Now when you're playing

1093
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: three on three, you know, when you know what I mean,

1094
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 2: it's hard to cut any one of them, man.

1095
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 3: I mean because of of who they are. I don't

1096
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 3: know enough about Elder, but I Bill Russell telling me

1097
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 3: how he can put it in the hole. You know,

1098
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 3: we all know Ostgar.

1099
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: I mean he done things that haven't anybody else done.

1100
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: I mean they say somebody'd done it, but you know

1101
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 2: I didn't done it. I don't ask.

1102
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,560
Speaker 3: And then talk about Doc. You know, man, it's hard

1103
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 3: for me to put Doc Darryn Man. But if I

1104
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 3: was a coach and you gotta make decisions to do things, man,

1105
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: I would put Els in there. Mm hmm, you know,

1106
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 3: cause you gotta make a choice. I mean, you know,

1107
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 3: sometimes you gotta make choices. Man, they might not be

1108
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 3: a right one.

1109
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 2: I would keep Doc and Uh and and me.

1110
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 1: That's just who is your favorite five NBA players my NBA?

1111
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well you mean of all time?

1112
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, just just yours? Just the ones that stuck out

1113
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: to you that you like the most.

1114
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson, Michael Jordans, Julius Irv and Kareem, Jujah Barr

1115
00:50:56,040 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 3: and Uh, you know Lebron. You know I put Ron

1116
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 3: and Kevin what I mean, you know, I put them

1117
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: in them same kind of bags and stuff.

1118
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 4: Man.

1119
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 2: So you know, none of my top guys man that

1120
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: I think of.

1121
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,000
Speaker 4: Man, you know, I have to let KD know.

1122
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to let KD know that the Iceman

1123
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 5: look at him like like, that's the comparison.

1124
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 4: That's that's that's hey, listen.

1125
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 5: I can't really think of many more compliments just so

1126
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 5: that they could top that.

1127
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: That's that's. That's a big one right there.

1128
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: Man, he's something special.

1129
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 4: Man, Man, boy, tell me this question.

1130
00:51:32,200 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 5: I like to ask everybody like you know, because like

1131
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 5: you said, you from Detroit, from not the most wealthiest scenario.

1132
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 5: So when you first started getting that bread, what was

1133
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 5: the first time when you.

1134
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:43,160
Speaker 4: What did you get yourself?

1135
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 5: When you first said, Man, I got some money in

1136
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 5: my pocket, I gotta treat myself. It was was it

1137
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 5: a bro hand? Was it? Was it a fleetwood? What

1138
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 5: was was it a chain? A necklace?

1139
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 4: Like? What did you do?

1140
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 5: What the man on the planet iceman? Yeah, what iceman, dude?

1141
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 2: When I first did man, I got.

1142
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 3: So I went home and I gave my mom two

1143
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 3: thousand and then I split the rest up with my brothers.

1144
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: And that first thing I did. The second thing I did,

1145
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 2: I bought me in El Doorado.

1146
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 4: Man.

1147
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 7: Right there.

1148
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,240
Speaker 2: It was seven days you're a drop top triple black.

1149
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 4: Oh and you know that don't that thing? That's what

1150
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 4: I'm talking about.

1151
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 2: But you know that's them bark I lived in Man.

1152
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: You know, I ain't have a dad. You know, my

1153
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: mom six of me.

1154
00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:44,839
Speaker 3: So you know what's gonna impress me the things that

1155
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:45,479
Speaker 3: look good.

1156
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: You know, that's why father man come in and man.

1157
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 3: You know we say, Man, oh, Man, I ain't caught

1158
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 3: you know, you know.

1159
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: What I mean? That was my impression.

1160
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 8: Man.

1161
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,479
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why it's so important to us. Man.

1162
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,759
Speaker 3: And you know, older man man to teach you know,

1163
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 3: younger men to be better man.

1164
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,479
Speaker 2: Man, I mean, that's our job. Man.

1165
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, we know something cute.

1166
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Man, we know something, Man,

1167
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: I mean, and you know that's saying something.

1168
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:15,239
Speaker 5: That's one of the that's one of the reasons why

1169
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:17,920
Speaker 5: we have this podcast, O g to be able to

1170
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 5: tell these stories and have people like you to have

1171
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 5: that voice to talk to everybody so they can hear

1172
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:26,760
Speaker 5: different things and hear different situations and know that we

1173
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 5: we resilient.

1174
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: Man.

1175
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:29,880
Speaker 5: We can make it through the worst of the worst

1176
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,399
Speaker 5: and the toughest of the toughest situations and still come

1177
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,440
Speaker 5: out looking like nothing ever happened to us.

1178
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 4: We don't never look like what we've been through and

1179
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 4: we still be good.

1180
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 5: So it's like having you up here and having everybody

1181
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,480
Speaker 5: else that's that this is really the reason why we

1182
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 5: do that, so that these kids are hit to see

1183
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 5: that it's always away, They.

1184
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 2: Always away, man, and take away your freedom. Man, it's

1185
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 2: a better way.

1186
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:53,800
Speaker 4: Yep.

1187
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 5: We had our O G Dead Coleman on here three

1188
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 5: D and just to hear him a kid, you know,

1189
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 5: he was from Detroit, just like you came up obviously

1190
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 5: after you idolizing you wore number forty four.

1191
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 4: Number forty four is you know.

1192
00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:14,359
Speaker 5: Hanging in Syracuse because of you really like obviously by

1193
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 5: way of him, but that like he wore that number

1194
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 5: because how much he looked up and how much you

1195
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 5: impacted him.

1196
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,839
Speaker 4: How like looking at stuff like that.

1197
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 5: When you get a chance to, you know, impact somebody

1198
00:54:25,320 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 5: like that, and then they make it and they become

1199
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 5: a star, and they put thyself in the position to

1200
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 5: take care of their family. And you know, and when

1201
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 5: you hear him speak and he gives a lot of

1202
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 5: credit because like you was his favorite. He did he

1203
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 5: try you wanted to be like you, and he kind

1204
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 5: of had a hand in recreating a game a little

1205
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 5: bit as a point for it and being a big

1206
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 5: guy that could do the things that he did.

1207
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 4: And when you see.

1208
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 5: Guys like that and you were able to be have

1209
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 5: a have a hand in or impact on him, how

1210
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 5: does that make you feel? A kid from your same hometown,

1211
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 5: to know that you were able to you know, a

1212
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,919
Speaker 5: lot of times we could just touch one that's good enough,

1213
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,479
Speaker 5: and like you were able to obviously impact so many,

1214
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 5: But when you see one right there from your city

1215
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 5: be able to become what you were, how does that

1216
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 5: make you feel?

1217
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 2: Man?

1218
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: Made me feel good, man, because most of it is

1219
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,359
Speaker 3: by example, you know what I mean.

1220
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 2: He saw me, he saw me going to work, you know,

1221
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 2: I mean.

1222
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,760
Speaker 3: And being from Detroit, and you know, in the same

1223
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 3: place he did, playing in the same league that he

1224
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 3: played in in Detroit, and you know, and and.

1225
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 2: It's by example, man, I mean, you know that's the

1226
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: whole key. Man.

1227
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 3: You gotta be a good example and people will follow,

1228
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 3: you know, Steve Smith from Detroit tell me the same thing, man, Man,

1229
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 3: you know, you know, man, And it's by example, man,

1230
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 3: I mean, you know I wanted to work.

1231
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: Man, I entertained. Anybody got to tell me.

1232
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 5: I know, I went to work, you know, talking about ice.

1233
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 3: Know, I know what man, I mean, So having that

1234
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 3: example before you.

1235
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 2: But that's how I was about doctor j Right. I

1236
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 2: ain't no doctor, but I knew of it, but I

1237
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 2: saw his work happens.

1238
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: Man, That brother played, so you know, I started my

1239
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:15,959
Speaker 3: career with doctor Jay and finished it with Mike.

1240
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: Both of them brothers played so hard. Man, I mean,

1241
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 2: in practice and in the game. I followed that example, man.

1242
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 3: I mean, and the guys followed you example, man, And

1243
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 3: that's what you appreciate, man.

1244
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 2: And that's what they're telling me. They said, Man, thanks

1245
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 2: for you know, man, what you're.

1246
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:35,839
Speaker 3: Doing, man, because I do what I do because you

1247
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 3: did what you did. You did you positive man. When

1248
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 3: you're a positive role model for God, may look at

1249
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 3: the results. It can happen the other way too. We're

1250
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 3: seeing a lot of it.

1251
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,320
Speaker 2: Happen the other way. You know, I rob a bank,

1252
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go rob one too, you know. I mean,

1253
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,040
Speaker 2: so you be a positive example for somebody.

1254
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 3: Man, you know, especially when you got little people coming

1255
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 3: up behind you doing wrong.

1256
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,399
Speaker 2: Don't think they ain't gonna come up.

1257
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 4: And do more. They watching everything.

1258
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 3: Everything, And but when say that, man, daring him say that, man,

1259
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 3: it's an example that I gave before before them.

1260
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: Man, that make them do the same thing.

1261
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 5: And you can see the intangibles too, because they have

1262
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 5: a lot of the same type of values and morals

1263
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 5: and they care themselves in the same ways, and I

1264
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 5: respect them in that same way. I work with Steve

1265
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 5: over there, Turner and don't get to spend enough like

1266
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 5: that type of time with DC. But every time we've

1267
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 5: ever encounted each other, it's always been the same type

1268
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 5: of way.

1269
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 8: So always been loved.

1270
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the beauty of it, y'all.

1271
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you this, like, I know, when

1272
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: when you was in the ABA and the NBA back

1273
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 1: in the seventies, you know the racial tension, and you know,

1274
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: the NBA and the ABA wasn't too far one too

1275
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: quick to just jump and help us out to say

1276
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: a Black Lives Matter or so forth on to having

1277
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 1: the league how they was in the seventies. To see

1278
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: where the NBA is trying to help promote Black lives

1279
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:07,000
Speaker 1: matter and doing all this stuff for the African American

1280
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 1: community and generation. Because it's a lot of African American

1281
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: players in the league. How is it for you to

1282
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,040
Speaker 1: see the change and how the league was in the

1283
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: seventies to now how you see this league is stepping up,

1284
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: trying to support callses and stuff like that that's coming

1285
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: from the players.

1286
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:25,040
Speaker 2: Well good to see, man, I mean, because you go

1287
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 2: back and uh, you know Bill Russell Day, you know

1288
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 2: what I mean. You know what I mean?

1289
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 8: It was you know still, yeah, I was hearing some

1290
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:32,680
Speaker 8: of the stories.

1291
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 1: He was saying, an older guy like you, I wanted

1292
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 1: to know just what you felt and how you feel

1293
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 1: to see that that these people that the NBA is

1294
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 1: really stepping up for their players and stuff that they

1295
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: believe in and trying to support because you know, in

1296
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 1: the seventies or sixties, they might not have been too

1297
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: fine or too quick to jump up at that time.

1298
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: Sixties and seven. Mean, when I came off, I mean,

1299
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: you didn't really have a voice, you know, But it's

1300
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 2: good to see now. I mean, you know you got

1301
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: them players.

1302
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 3: Speaking up and fortunate that again, you know, you got

1303
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 3: to always remember that, and you know, the players make

1304
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,240
Speaker 3: the lead, you know, so when you got guys like

1305
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 3: levonn you know, Chris Paul you know, them guys speaking

1306
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 3: up saying, man, we.

1307
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 2: Ain't you know, we ain't gonna a lot of this.

1308
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 3: Man, y'all got to do something, you know what I mean.

1309
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 3: You've got to help, you know what I mean? And

1310
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 3: and see now things are being done. I mean, if

1311
00:59:22,760 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 3: these guys wouldn't say that, you know, we don't know

1312
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 3: what could be done. You know, So you have to

1313
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 3: step up. The players have to step up, you know,

1314
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: and be the voice.

1315
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 8: Man.

1316
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you know we've been oppress. Man when you

1317
00:59:36,120 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 3: say the black man a year, you know, we're growing

1318
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 3: up here, you know, and not you know, I mean,

1319
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 3: so it's when you start talking about race, man.

1320
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean, you know you can go on and go on, man.

1321
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 2: I mean, and I'm older.

1322
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 3: Now, So I try to get all my answers, man,

1323
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 3: from the scriptions, from the Bible, you know what I mean,

1324
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 3: Because I can't depend on man out helping me, you know,

1325
01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 3: I mean, because look what he had done all these years. Man,

1326
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:08,240
Speaker 3: So the scripture got the answer man for a racism

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Speaker 3: prejudice man, and hope.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: So being sixty eight almost seventy now, man, that's kind

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Speaker 3: of like where I get my answers from. Man, and

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Speaker 3: I wish more people man would look at the scriptures

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Speaker 3: for answers. Man, so I don't think we'll have as

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Speaker 3: much prejudice that we do if you did, I agree,

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Speaker 3: tell us.

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Speaker 5: All right, all right, all you younger is out there. I

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Speaker 5: hope y'all been paying attention and taking notes. This was

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Speaker 5: a history lesson, a lesson and cool at that.

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Speaker 4: We appreciate you for coming through and chopping it up

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Speaker 4: with us, OG. This was legendary. Thank you, hey man,

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Speaker 4: truly a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Man, you fellas man.

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Speaker 6: Keep doing what y'all doing. Man, Keep letting the yell

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Speaker 6: folks know. Man, there's a better way, Yes, sir, straight up.

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