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Speaker 1: But here's the thing. The president can take these actions.

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Speaker 2: Can't.

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Speaker 1: People simply reject it?

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Speaker 3: Before I entered office, one hundred percent of all new

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Speaker 3: hundred percent of new jobs we're going to migrant These

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Speaker 4: No, I didn't come up.

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Speaker 3: I'm just migrant workers and illegal alienists got one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: But since I took office, one hundred percent of all

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Speaker 4: How about them? Now?

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Speaker 2: How about them?

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Speaker 3: Even I will give myself a hand.

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Speaker 2: Now think of it.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent went to American citizens before one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent went to people that came into the country illegally. Again,

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Speaker 3: More Americans are working today than at any time in

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Speaker 4: I didn't say no, you did.

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Speaker 5: A bad vision, like a really dumb vision and a

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Speaker 6: Over the last eight decades eighty years, since the end

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Speaker 6: a massive, massive departure. It is the most radical farm

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Speaker 6: This is essentially the end of the post World War two,

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Speaker 4: It's a it's a let's adjust.

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Speaker 6: It is a radical document, it is a radical departure,

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Speaker 2: I love this.

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Speaker 4: Whatever the hell with.

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Speaker 7: Little German, I love her.

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Speaker 7: In the world.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 2: They have no military, they.

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Speaker 3: Have no nothing, they have no parliament, they don't know

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Speaker 3: She comes to our country and she's always complaining about

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Speaker 2: She married her brother in order to get in, right,

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Speaker 3: Can you imagine if Donald Trump married a beautiful she's

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Speaker 4: She should get the hell out, Throw the hell out.

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Speaker 4: She does nothing but complain.

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Speaker 3: Together, we're repairing four years of disaster by the radical

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Speaker 3: It's just the worst president in the history of our country.

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Speaker 3: The damage he thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: The damage he's.

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Speaker 3: After just ten months, our border is secure, our spirit

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Speaker 8: Andrew Breibart said, politics is downstream of culture, and I

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Speaker 8: think Trump has always innately understood that that he is

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Speaker 4: He is shaping the culture.

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Speaker 2: Will it swing back when he's gone.

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Speaker 4: Maybe, But a lot of that stuff we're down the

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Speaker 1: What, when you try to force a cultural shift, you

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Speaker 4: Well, I hope you're right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. We'll soon find out.

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Speaker 4: This is the final scream of a dying regime.

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Speaker 8: Pray for our enemies, because we're going to medieval on

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Speaker 4: You've not got a free shot. All these networks lying

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Speaker 2: And where do people like that go to share the

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Speaker 6: I wish in my soul, I wish that any of

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Speaker 8: Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?

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Speaker 3: If that answer is to save my country, this country

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Speaker 2: He's your host, Stephen k Back.

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Speaker 8: Wednesday, ten December, the year Earler, twenty twenty five. Welcome

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Speaker 8: to the morning edition of the War Room. We have

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Speaker 8: both Dave Brett and Joe Allen's going to join us

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Speaker 8: a moment in our command module in the Imperial Capital.

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Speaker 8: President Trump goes to Scranton, and it's not that he

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Speaker 8: to thank Ernie Preate and all the Real American Voice

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Speaker 4: Dave Brett joins me.

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Speaker 8: Dave first, first off, Chrisnome number two, Perencil get number two,

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Speaker 8: Principal held illehan Omar. I think the President has said

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Speaker 8: What are we starting the denaturalization process? Asking for a friend?

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Speaker 8: Dave Bratt. President went up there for the affordability, and

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Speaker 8: he didn't fall into the affordability trap of the Democrats.

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Speaker 8: The twenty inflation. In fact, I think Scott Bessen rates

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Speaker 4: It was like forty percent inflation, but the inflation accumulative inflation.

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Speaker 8: Out of Biden, he talked about growth, He talked about jobs,

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Speaker 8: start an investment, higher wages, taxes that are tax cuts

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Speaker 4: Your thoughts, Dave Brat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's the right setup. You know, it's unfortunately

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Speaker 2: debating right now. It's basically God versus no God, truth

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Speaker 2: when the people say they're hurting, they're hurting. But we

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Speaker 2: the economists have been looking to link tariffs to higher prices.

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Speaker 8: So last night was was Miami. I don't think that's

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Speaker 8: That's why President Trump fighting back last night, and they

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Speaker 4: I want I want the I want.

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Speaker 8: The tariffs versus inflation, because that's a bald faced lie.

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Speaker 8: Over two million have self deported because they understand the

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Speaker 2: They're supposed to be maximizing human happiness. So when you

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Speaker 2: have twenty million illegal immigration immigrants, a border invasion, and

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Speaker 2: no Federal Reserve economists has studied that phenomenon, Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: you think that might affect the economy? I mean the

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Speaker 2: US government? Right, all of the budget committees. Have any

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Speaker 2: of the economists covered the damage done to the American worker? No,

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Speaker 2: because that's run by the Speaker's office in the Leadership office,

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Speaker 2: and the donors control those offices. So the three mega

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Speaker 2: issues that we've been on, right, the economy, the border invasion.

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Speaker 2: The past two wars were seventeen trillion dollars. Any economic

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Speaker 2: articles on the opportunity cost? Right, that's the first term

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Speaker 2: you learn in an intro book of that of that

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Speaker 2: seventeen trillion, and we have a seven trillion dollar government

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Speaker 2: budget right now, Hey, economists out there, what is the

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Speaker 2: productivity on government spending? Just I haven't seen it lately, right,

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Speaker 2: what's the productivity if GDP growth is too what's the

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Speaker 2: productivity on a seven trillion dollars in government spending? Haven't

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Speaker 2: seen a study on that, guys, Because if the American

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Speaker 2: people found out what that number was, you know, and

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Speaker 2: it's not Republican Democrat, we're spending like drunken salors too.

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Speaker 2: And so we got to get our heads on straight here.

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Speaker 2: This is a total waste of money. We're stealing from

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Speaker 2: the next generation of kids. I was with kids yesterday

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Speaker 2: in the White House working on education and mah and

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. And if you love the kids, you

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Speaker 2: better get this spending and economy going for them. That's

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Speaker 2: the only hope they have.

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Speaker 8: Give me quick, We're going to come back from a

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Speaker 8: break in a few minutes. We're going to have Chris maguire,

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Speaker 8: an expert on chips on over THEO accounts, good on

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Speaker 8: foreign relations, join us with Joe Allen. I want to

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Speaker 8: go to Georgia real quickly. Everybody's making a big deal

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Speaker 8: about Miami. I thought the invasion, I thought Marco's invasion

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Speaker 8: of Venezuela is supposed to take her care of us there.

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Speaker 8: But let's put a pin into that. Enough people yelling

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Speaker 8: about that. Although very low turnout in Georgia. Now, this

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Speaker 8: is a House of Delegates or House of Representative seat,

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Speaker 8: not not for Congress but for the Georgia General Assembly.

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Speaker 4: But it is a Trump district.

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Speaker 8: And once again I think it to me, it reinforces

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Speaker 8: what happened in New Jersey, in the governor's race and

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Speaker 8: in the Commonwealth of Virginia. If you run these basic

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Speaker 8: rhinos or even conservative inc Republicans with no energy and

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Speaker 8: their whole program is just tax gots and size of government,

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Speaker 8: that you've got to do more than that. And this

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Speaker 8: guy got beaten last night on something that was a

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Speaker 8: shocker to people. But you've got give me thirty seconds.

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Speaker 8: You've got some inside information on.

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Speaker 2: This, Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of my good buddies, African

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Speaker 2: American small business pastor, it is just so fed up

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Speaker 2: up with the Republicans. They're in the brawl in house

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Speaker 2: brawls there between the squishes and the Rhinos and the Patriots.

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Speaker 2: There's no energy in the Republican Party, just like in Virginia.

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Speaker 2: It's just totally broken, no energy. As a candidate at

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Speaker 2: the smaller seats, you're fighting the mainstream media, so same predicament,

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Speaker 2: and you can't rely on Trump. I heard new Gingrich

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Speaker 2: might be coming in with some ideas and maybe he

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Speaker 2: can help fix Georgia. He did some great work with

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Speaker 2: a contract. It seems to me we need a new

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Speaker 2: contract with America.

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Speaker 8: Oh man, we'll talk about that. Everybody looks at that

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Speaker 8: as a panacea. But Dave Bratt, you're directionally Okay, short

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Speaker 2: Use your host. Stephen came back.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Brat, we're gonna talk more about the race cut

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Speaker 8: that should come to SA afternoon, what it means in

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Speaker 8: a little while. Joe Allen back from your travels. Joe,

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Speaker 8: you've been working NonStop. Of course, the the AI amnesty

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Speaker 8: got pulled from the second. This is embarrassing. This is

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Speaker 8: why the president's being poorly advised.

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Speaker 4: Saxon.

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Speaker 8: These guys tried to jam it in again to the NDAA.

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Speaker 8: Of course, the audience and Article three and grace with

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Speaker 8: Bill Blast. Everybody got up on the ramparts and got

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Speaker 8: that pulled. And now they're working on an EO.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have.

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Speaker 8: We'll talk more about the EO later. But what's the

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Speaker 8: sense you've been going around now? Given more of your talks,

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Speaker 8: give me a sense of things, sir.

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Speaker 5: Yes, Steve, Among the public, I don't know anyone who

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Speaker 5: is for the federal preemption. I know a few experts

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Speaker 5: and accelerationists who do, But the public want to keep

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Speaker 5: the power in the States.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 5: I just got back from San Francisco, and I was

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Speaker 5: meeting with mainly transhumanists and you might say former transhumanist

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Speaker 5: turned doomers. The cultural landscape is astounding. I attended a

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Speaker 5: Forestite Institute conference in an old Christian science church what's

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Speaker 5: now the Internet Archive, And as we all sat in

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Speaker 5: pews listen to lectures on how gene editing will lead

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Speaker 5: to the curing of all disease and maybe immortality, how

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Speaker 5: the advancement of AI will both enhance and replace and

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Speaker 5: perhaps destroy all the human race, and of course all

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Speaker 5: the ways in which brain emulation will lead to the

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Speaker 5: possibility of uploading your brain so you can live forever

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Speaker 5: in a data center. So that's the short version of

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Speaker 5: I went into the viper's den, got bit or I'm

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Speaker 5: trying to shake off the venom.

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Speaker 8: We would love to say, we would love to say

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Speaker 8: that this is science for but it's not, folks. As

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Speaker 8: this is why we brought Joe over years ago and

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Speaker 8: what the book dark An is about.

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Speaker 4: Joe just hanging with me for a second. I want

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Speaker 4: to bring in Chris Maguire.

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Speaker 8: Chris is over the Council Front Relations for a member

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Speaker 8: of the National Security Council, an expert on chips and

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Speaker 8: technology in the CCP, and I wanted him to kind

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Speaker 8: of give us some details. Today we've heard the strategic

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Speaker 8: side of it, and the reason is at our beloved

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Speaker 8: Murdoch Wall Street Journal, Trump's shift on the video chips

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Speaker 8: bolsters China's AI ambitions and it's a pretty brutal article

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Speaker 8: about what has been done. Chris, I make the argument

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Speaker 8: that the president to a large extent is just hearing.

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Speaker 8: When he hears about China technology, he's just hearing one

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Speaker 8: side of it because he's got all these guys in

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Speaker 8: Silicon Valley, all the oligarchs, and they always pitch and

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Speaker 8: it just this doesn't make sense if we're if we're

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Speaker 8: at an inflection point and were having a Sputnik moment

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Speaker 8: and we can't have any controls over the frontier labs.

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Speaker 8: In fact, we have to turn over the weapons, lambs

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Speaker 8: and the national lamps to them to have them, you know,

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Speaker 8: work on AI uh, at their you know, at their direction,

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Speaker 8: with no controls.

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Speaker 4: Like I said, there's more controls on it.

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Speaker 8: You have more regulations about launching a nail salon on

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Speaker 8: Capitol Hill than you have on the frontier labs.

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Speaker 4: We have no worthy idea what they're doing. Uh.

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Speaker 8: And at the same time they say it's all about China.

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Speaker 8: You can't you have to do this because China, and

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Speaker 8: I do disagree with with some of my colleagues in

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Speaker 8: this preemption. If we had some sort of apparatus, like

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Speaker 8: the Atomic Energy Commission on Nuclear Weapons, that we had

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Speaker 8: some part of regulatory apparatus, I think federal rules actually

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Speaker 8: be more logical.

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Speaker 4: The states are doing this. The Santus is doing this.

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Speaker 8: Other states are doing this because there is nothing right

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Speaker 8: now and they're not prepared to have their citizens just

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Speaker 8: be at the at the whim of the of the accelerationist. Then,

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Speaker 8: on the other hand, we're now in a situation where

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Speaker 8: the Chinese Communist Party would be nowhere if we didn't

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Speaker 8: give them capital, equity, debt, the ecosystem, train them, educate them,

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Speaker 8: and most importantly give them them. There's milk of artificial intelligence,

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Speaker 8: which is these advanced chips which would come from American technology.

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Speaker 8: So can you walk us through what exactly has happened

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Speaker 8: over the last forty eight seventy two hours, Why is

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Speaker 8: this so big and what should this audience understand on

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Speaker 8: the technical side, sir.

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Speaker 7: Sure, thanks for having me, Steve.

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Speaker 9: So, yesterday or two days ago, President Trump announced that

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Speaker 9: the Nvidia H two hundred chip could be exported to China.

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Speaker 9: So this is not Vidia's most powerful chip, but it

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Speaker 9: is their second most powerful chip. It's the best chip

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Speaker 9: of the previous generation, and most importantly, it is substantially

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Speaker 9: better than anything available in China. It's six times better

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Speaker 9: than the best chip that is the best US chips

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Speaker 9: that's there now. It's better than any Chinese chip that

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Speaker 9: they're going to make for the next two years. And

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Speaker 9: up till this point, the US policy has been to

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Speaker 9: export control very very advanced AI chips to China, because

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Speaker 9: these chips are the most important thing for the development

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Speaker 9: of AI. You need very large numbers of them to

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Speaker 9: develop the developed and run the most sophisticated bottles, and

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Speaker 9: obviously the most sophisticated bottles are crucial to national security,

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Speaker 9: to economic prosperity. I mean, the entire US stock market

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Speaker 9: is basically being propped up by the spending on the

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Speaker 9: creation of data centers to run these chips, mostly for

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Speaker 9: AI inference, but also for training inferences the process of

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Speaker 9: running them models. So up until this point, the US

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Speaker 9: policy had been to maintain as large of a lead

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Speaker 9: as possible over China by number one, maximally slowing China

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Speaker 9: down and number two investing maximally at home. And the

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Speaker 9: only way the United States has to slow down China's

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Speaker 9: AI progress is export controls on AI chips. And fortunately

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Speaker 9: the United States is much much better than China is

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Speaker 9: at developing AI chips. It's actually across the entire rest

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Speaker 9: of the AI sack, it's more or less a wash

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Speaker 9: if not.

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Speaker 7: China's ahead. Their people are as good as ours.

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Speaker 9: They develop really good algorithms, they have access to as

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Speaker 9: much data, if not more.

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Speaker 7: They're really good at making electricity.

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Speaker 9: But the one thing that they really can't do nearly

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Speaker 9: as well as US is make chips. So therefore the

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Speaker 9: United States has leveraged US maximumly to our advantage and

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Speaker 9: said we're not going to let the most chips go

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Speaker 9: to China, and that has had an impact on AI capabilities.

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Speaker 9: It's why our labs are ahead of theirs. It's why

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Speaker 9: the best models come from US firms and not Chinese firms.

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Speaker 9: It's why data centers around the world are not from

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Speaker 9: Chinese companies, they're from US companies. The Chinese have this

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Speaker 9: Belton Road initiative around the world, but there is no

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Speaker 9: AI Belton Road. There is no there's no competitor to

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Speaker 9: Microsoft data centers, to Microsoft cloud providers. And that's great

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Speaker 9: for American business and it's great for American technology, and

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Speaker 9: it means that the world will use the AI the

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Speaker 9: USAI sack because the Chinese can't make it and can't

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Speaker 9: provide it. The administration changed this policy, and they said

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Speaker 9: that that we're basically, instead of having as large of

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Speaker 9: a lead as over possible as China, we're going to

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Speaker 9: have a relative lead over China, and we're going to

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Speaker 9: be willing to give them maybe not our best chips,

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Speaker 9: but our second best chips, and we think that's acceptable.

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Speaker 9: There are enormous risks in this, like even though they're

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Speaker 9: not the best chips, the game with AI is not

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Speaker 9: about whether you have the best single chip or not.

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Speaker 9: It's about how much computing power in aggregate can you

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Speaker 9: pull together into a data center, into a training run

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Speaker 9: and use to make and then run models. And you

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Speaker 9: can actually use large numbers of less advanced chips to

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Speaker 9: replicate the performance of comparatively slightly smaller numbers of the

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Speaker 9: most advanced chips. So the US advantage over China is

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Speaker 9: predicated on US having very very large gaps on computing

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Speaker 9: and them not having access to any chips that are

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Speaker 9: anywhere near the frontier and the most advanced. That's why

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Speaker 9: previously the US policy was to draw a line in

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Speaker 9: the sand and say you shall not process. Now that

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Speaker 9: policy has been upended, is much more difficult for China

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Speaker 9: for the United States to leverage its advantages over computing

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Speaker 9: power with China and Ai, and therefore the US lead

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Speaker 9: over China and I almost certainly will decrease, if not evaporate.

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Speaker 8: Has come from Look, David Sackson addrease and a lot

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Speaker 8: of people, but principally Jensen Wong. Let's focus on that

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Speaker 8: Jensen Wong has told us over the last couple of weeks,

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Speaker 8: and look, I'm quite harsh on him. I say he's

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Speaker 8: an agent of influence for the CCP and an arms dealer,

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Speaker 8: but he said things like, it doesn't matter if China

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Speaker 8: wins the race, We're all benefit. It doesn't matter if

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Speaker 8: a Chinese company wins the race, will all benefit benefit

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Speaker 8: from it. What is Jensen to let's take his side

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Speaker 8: for a second. What is the pitch he actually makes

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Speaker 8: and Indres and Sachs make to the President to try

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Speaker 8: to say, hey, let's get these export controls over because

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Speaker 8: then what we want is complete dominance in the American

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Speaker 8: stack in China.

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Speaker 2: US.

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Speaker 8: It give us a sophisticated version of what Jensen Wong

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Speaker 8: is telling the President.

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Speaker 7: Sir, so, I think there's two main arguments that they make.

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Speaker 9: The first is that if we don't export the chips

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Speaker 9: to China, China will make the chips themselves, so therefore

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Speaker 9: US companies might as well make money rather than think

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Speaker 9: the Chinese companies make the money and also have the

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Speaker 9: same capability. That's wrong for a reason I'm going to

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Speaker 9: the tect The second one is that by exporting their technology,

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Speaker 9: it's sticky and it becomes difficult for the Chinese to

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Speaker 9: move off of their ecosystem, and actually they'll be incentivized

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Speaker 9: to not make the advanced chips, and therefore our dominance

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Speaker 9: will reign for a.

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Speaker 7: Longer amount of time.

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Speaker 9: I think both are are incorrect for two different reasons.

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Speaker 9: On the second one, it's just very straightforward to address.

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Speaker 7: I think number one.

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Speaker 9: China has never been satisfied to be reliant on the

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Speaker 9: United States for any sophisticated technology ever, and particularly not

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Speaker 9: advanced semiconductors. They've been very very clear that they're going

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Speaker 9: to not be relyant on the US, and also the

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Speaker 9: US up to this point has been very clear that

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Speaker 9: we are going to use this as a choke point

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Speaker 9: to constrain them. So if you're the Chinese, there's no

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Speaker 9: putting the toothpaste back in the tube. There's no way

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Speaker 9: that we could ever convince it, regardless of whether you

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Speaker 9: think they're pull out.

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Speaker 8: On verse spacific as we talk about all the time.

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Speaker 8: In Maya twenty nineteen, after two years of hard negotiation

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Speaker 8: with Leha Leighttheiser Navarro, the Deal, the Seventh the deal

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Speaker 8: to take care of all the problems with the Chinese

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Speaker 8: economy and integrating to the world economy, they not only

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Speaker 8: said we're not going to do that, they also said

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Speaker 8: we're going to decouple from Western technology. This is they

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Speaker 8: do this all the time. They will not The reason

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Speaker 8: why she Sean and she didn't agree to the deal

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Speaker 8: on the economy and then further took it for and

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Speaker 8: then they went after their tech entrepreneurs and not being

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Speaker 8: tough enough is they will. They don't see a system

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Speaker 8: where they have to countdown to the foreign devils as

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Speaker 8: a system that works. They will always try to decouple

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Speaker 8: from our technology. That is just their pattern over time,

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Speaker 8: is it not, sir?

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Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely, they are one hundred percent incentivized to do

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Speaker 9: this and they're moving as fast as they can. When

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Speaker 9: we were debated, when I was in the White House

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Speaker 9: working on this, when we were debating, you know, what's

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Speaker 9: the Chinese response going to be and is it going

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Speaker 9: to accelerate Chinese indigenization. We thought about that thinking was

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Speaker 9: Chinese indigenization on avand semiconductors is already at the maximum,

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Speaker 9: their pedals already on the floor. They know that they

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Speaker 9: need to really reduce their reliance on us for this,

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Speaker 9: any logical country would, and it's consistent with all of

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Speaker 9: their past practices.

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Speaker 7: So they're going to do this.

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Speaker 9: The other thing I would also argue, just from a

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Speaker 9: technical perspective, is this technical argument that well, but it

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Speaker 9: makes it really difficult for them to switch off of

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Speaker 9: chips is actually not that hard. And the reason you

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Speaker 9: know it's not that hard is that the big USAI

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Speaker 9: labs have done it. Anthropic has done it, Google has

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Speaker 9: done it. The big labs are actually moving away from

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Speaker 9: this sticky ecosystem, either away from n video.

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Speaker 7: Chips or from the kind of software that they use.

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Speaker 9: The Kuda software that and video argues gets peeple hooked

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Speaker 9: to their ecosystem.

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Speaker 7: But if you have a lot of resources, if you.

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Speaker 9: Have a lot of resources like a USAI AI lab does,

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Speaker 9: they have already done it.

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Speaker 7: They've been able to leverage all research to do it.

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Speaker 9: The Chinese Communist Party, the entire state back apparatus, and

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Speaker 9: all all thesephisticated Chinese companies also have large amounts of

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Speaker 9: resources and also will be able to break through that.

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Speaker 9: So the point there is there's not a moat there.

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Speaker 9: There's this kind of relying on them not being able

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Speaker 9: to figure out how to get off of our chips

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Speaker 9: at some point in the future is not a technically

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Speaker 9: accurate assessment. And so if that's being pitched to the president,

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Speaker 9: I think that's incorrect.

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Speaker 7: And then the one separate question, if you want to do.

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Speaker 8: It on the production side, Yeah, yeah, I want to

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Speaker 8: hold you through the break before we go to break,

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Speaker 8: We've got about a minute. The coming on the same

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Speaker 8: day that the Justice Department says they got this black

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Speaker 8: market operation of industrial espionage that was selling the exact

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Speaker 8: same tips for showing it does show that they're desperate

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Speaker 8: to get the chips and try to somehow recreate them. Correct,

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Speaker 8: not just the chips they can steal, but also recreate them.

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Speaker 8: That's part that's that is an active part of their program,

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Speaker 8: is it not.

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Speaker 9: Absolutely Yeah, they're trying to steal the chips there, and actually, look,

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Speaker 9: there are loopholes in controls that should be closed separately.

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Speaker 9: I will you know, there's things that the Biden administration

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Speaker 9: while they pushed this forward building what the trudministration did,

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Speaker 9: there were loophles the trumpstration should close. Chinese companies can

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Speaker 9: they can, They can get chips from third countries that

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Speaker 9: should be stopped. Chinese companies can access US chips via

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Speaker 9: the cloud, that should be stopped. But to actually sell

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Speaker 9: the chips instead is the complete reversal.

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Speaker 7: And we should be moving completely the.

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Speaker 9: Other direction in terms of closing loopholes, not opening giant

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Speaker 9: new ones.

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Speaker 8: Back up, uh, Chris Canting hangover second, we're taking a

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Speaker 8: short Chris McGuire joins us.

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Speaker 4: Joe Allen's in the house.

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Speaker 8: We're going to talk about the executive orders. A bunch

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Speaker 8: of executive voters now floating around. They're going to try

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Speaker 8: to go a different direction than you've.

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Speaker 4: Killed the putting into the nba A, the AI amnesty for.

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Speaker 8: Stopping the preemption or not stopping prection anyway. Short commercial break, Chris.

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Speaker 4: McGuire, Joe Allen, Dave Brett. On the other side, we.

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Speaker 7: Let's take.

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Speaker 2: Use your host Stephen K.

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Speaker 8: Bat CHRISTM Grier joins us Chris just so we get

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Speaker 8: a level set here with with because I'm gonna go

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Speaker 8: the argument of why you can't have any state regulations

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Speaker 8: and really no federal regulations. The accelerat accelerationists not just

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Speaker 8: have to be accelerationists. My concern is that they're just

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Speaker 8: going to do what they're going to do and accelerate

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Speaker 8: and we just have to live with it. How close now,

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Speaker 8: given Chinese commis party capabilities, are they really, let's leave

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Speaker 8: this deal aside, are they really in mounting a true

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Speaker 8: competition for us in the area of artificial intelligence given

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Speaker 8: the entire ecosystem of Chinese technology, training, education, and capital.

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Speaker 7: Sir, Yeah, so I think the Chinese are close there.

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Speaker 9: There are probably months behind us, which is which is

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Speaker 9: a problem and is really concerning. It means that they're

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Speaker 9: very close to us and developing asphisticated military capabilities will

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Speaker 9: be link to this from capturing you know, a big

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Speaker 9: percentage of the projected sixteen trillion dollars in economic value

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Speaker 9: that AI is going to generate.

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Speaker 7: So they are close.

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Speaker 9: Where they're not close is in the production of the chips,

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Speaker 9: in infrastructure in or to do it. The reason they're

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Speaker 9: close is because they still have access to our computing power,

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Speaker 9: either because of smuggling or because of loopholes in controls.

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Speaker 9: Without that, they wouldn't. So they know if they were

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Speaker 9: forced to build the infrastructure themselves, they would probably fall

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Speaker 9: far behind two years relatively quickly, which in AI is

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Speaker 9: an eternity.

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Speaker 4: And so that gives us back to do these chips. Now.

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Speaker 8: One of the arguments Silicon Values making is that, hey,

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Speaker 8: once the West gets accommodated to Chinese technology and Chinese

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Speaker 8: use that all the people that threw up these arguments

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Speaker 8: before turn out they're wrong.

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Speaker 4: Is that correct?

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Speaker 8: And there's some examples, particularly with Huawei, where actually proves

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Speaker 8: our case.

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Speaker 9: Sir, Yeah, I mean, I think the key thing here

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Speaker 9: where I frankly think that the based on the Bloomberg

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Speaker 9: reporting that says that this decision was linked to saying

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Speaker 9: Huawei is actually really capable, I think that they're frankly not.

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Speaker 9: And this is actually one of the few things that

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Speaker 9: the Chinese really do lag at, and it's important to

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Speaker 9: kind of draw out the distinctions here. It's true that

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Speaker 9: Huawei can make a chip that is slightly worse on

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Speaker 9: paper than this Age two hundred, but they can't make

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Speaker 9: that many of them, and That's what's important, because you

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Speaker 9: need to be able to aggregate very large numbers of

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Speaker 9: these chips. Right now, the total number of chips that

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Speaker 9: the Chinese can make, you're the total amount of AI

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Speaker 9: computing power that the Chinese can make is probably in

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Speaker 9: the one to two percent range of what the US

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Speaker 9: can make. If you're really generous to the Chinese and

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Speaker 9: you assume their production is much much higher than the

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Speaker 9: estimates we've seen to date, it's no more than say

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Speaker 9: the five percent range. And actually the best US chip

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Speaker 9: right now is about five times better than the best

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Speaker 9: Chinese chip, which is pretty good. That is objected to

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Speaker 9: increase to about twenty times better in just two years.

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Speaker 9: And the reason for that is that our chips are

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Speaker 9: getting better and better if they're using more advanced technology

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Speaker 9: that the Chinese don't have access to, and Chinese chips

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Speaker 9: are more or less stagnating. So the gap between the

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Speaker 9: United States and China on this is projected to radically increase.

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Speaker 9: That means that our export controls and our ability to

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Speaker 9: actually restrain China's AI capabilities is going to go up

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Speaker 9: as long as we don't give them the chips themselves

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Speaker 9: to actually to actually develop the AI. That's so dangerous, right,

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Speaker 9: So if we actually stay the course, the policies will

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Speaker 9: probably start to have a pretty significant impact on the Chinese.

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Speaker 7: But by reversing them, we run.

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Speaker 9: A huge risk that actually the gap between US and

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Speaker 9: China will close an AI, and that will have massive

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Speaker 9: impacts on our national security and economic prospers.

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Speaker 8: One of the biggest breaks we had with the global

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Speaker 8: so far polm establish for sixteen was the confrontation with

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Speaker 8: China and certain aspects. There's continuity from what President Trump

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Speaker 8: did and the team did in his first term and

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Speaker 8: what Biden did.

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Speaker 4: If you were able to sit.

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Speaker 8: With the president day and just say, hey, look, I

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Speaker 8: got a couple thoughts, what would that be to the

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Speaker 8: President the United States?

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think that's worth emphasizing that. Really this is

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Speaker 9: in any bipartisan policy. That Trump administration started with the

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Speaker 9: restrictions on semi character manufacturing equipment in twenty nineteen and twenty,

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Speaker 9: and then the Biden administration continued.

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Speaker 7: I think we should number one.

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Speaker 9: Semi conductor manufacturing equipment is the foundation of this.

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Speaker 7: The ability to produce the chips. The Chinese are very restrained,

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Speaker 7: but not fully restrained.

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Speaker 9: We should be blocking the export of all semi conductor

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Speaker 9: manufacturing equipment to China that's capable of any advanced production,

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Speaker 9: and just basically make sure that they have no chance

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Speaker 9: of having an advanced chip making industry. I think our

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Speaker 9: controls have been effective, but they really need to be

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Speaker 9: maximu effective and shouldn't have zero risk. So I also

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Speaker 9: think we should basically should stop the Chinese from making, buying,

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Speaker 9: or renting AI chips. So that means no semi conductor

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Speaker 9: manufacturing equipment, it means no sales of AI chips, and

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Speaker 9: it also means no Chinese access via the US cloud.

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Speaker 7: If we're going to be in.

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Speaker 9: A competition with CHINAI, then they should use their own

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Speaker 9: chips and their own infrastructure in order to fuel their

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Speaker 9: own models. That's the way that we can best ensure

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Speaker 9: American competitiveness. If we're have leaks in any part of

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Speaker 9: that stack, making, buying, and renting AI chips, China is

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Speaker 9: going to be able to leverage the single greatest asset

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Speaker 9: the US has the most advanced technology in the world

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Speaker 9: to produce the very technology that they want to use

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Speaker 9: to overtake the United States.

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Speaker 7: It's dangerous and we shouldn't.

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Speaker 8: Let them do it, Chris last You know these guys

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Speaker 8: in the way they negotiate and the way they think

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Speaker 8: if the Chinese county.

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Speaker 4: If the roles were reversed.

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Speaker 8: What would the Chinese Commanists Party do to the United

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Speaker 8: States of America in this regard, Sir.

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Speaker 9: There is absolutely no way that the Chinese Communist Party

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Speaker 9: would ever let the United States have advanced AI chips

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Speaker 9: if they were the only ones in the world that

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Speaker 9: made them.

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Speaker 4: That's simple.

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Speaker 8: So where do people go to find out more about

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Speaker 8: you and more about your thinking and writing on this topic.

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Speaker 7: On Twitter? I'm at Chris Armaguire, I am.

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Speaker 9: I'm at the Council and Form Relations as the senior

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Speaker 9: Fellow for China and Emerging Technologies.

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Speaker 7: We will have actually I mentioned some of the production

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Speaker 7: numbers on Huawei.

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Speaker 9: We're going to have a report on this either today

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Speaker 9: or tomorrow, kind of going through these numbers in detail

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Speaker 9: and really looking at the assessment on US and China

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Speaker 9: compute capabilities. So ye, mostly CFR and Twitter, but I

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Speaker 9: will be speaking on this until we get this policy

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Speaker 9: to a good place. So thanks for all your help

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Speaker 9: on the Steve.

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Speaker 8: No, thank you, and we will push out all of

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Speaker 8: those reports and studies and make sure that the war

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Speaker 8: and posse is a full understanding this.

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Speaker 7: Thank you, sir, appreciate it.

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Speaker 8: Thanks It's ironic that we leave today's the First Hour

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Speaker 8: with the right Stuff a masterpiece by Tom Wolfe as

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Speaker 8: a book, the movie is a masterpiece by Philip Kaufman.

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Speaker 8: The score is a masterpiece by Conte. And it was

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Speaker 8: about the last time I would say we had a

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Speaker 8: race with an enemy, with the Soviet Union, about the

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Speaker 8: space program, nuclear weapons, all of it, and we had

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Speaker 8: the right stuff. Our focus was on total and complete victory.

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Speaker 4: Total and complete victory. Chris McGuire just said it. If

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Speaker 4: the Chinese commedist is part of.

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Speaker 8: The roles are reversed, there is zero probability that they

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Speaker 8: would assist the United States of America in anything. And

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Speaker 8: that's what we have to do. The Chinese Commiest party

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Speaker 8: is very simple. We must win this race. We will

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Speaker 8: win this race as we've won others in the past.

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Speaker 8: But we cannot give them a helping hand at all.

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Speaker 8: They're a murderous dictatorship that is a threat, existential threat

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Speaker 8: to allow Bijing their people, and a threat to every

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Speaker 8: nation on Earth.

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Speaker 7: Short break