Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to Movie Crush Friday Interview edition.
Speaker 1: And this week, my friends, we have an old pal
Speaker 1: of mine from the entertainment industry, Mr Brian Kylie Brian. Uh.
Speaker 1: Here's the story of Brian that he is and has
Speaker 1: forever for twenty seven years, been a writer for Conan
Speaker 1: O'Brien writes the monologues, those great, great jokes in the monologues,
Speaker 1: and he's been with Conan for a long long time.
Speaker 1: And Brian got in touch with me, uh jeez, quite
Speaker 1: a few years ago now as a stuff you should
Speaker 1: know listener and just reached out and said, hey, me
Speaker 1: and actually some of the other guys in the writer's
Speaker 1: room are are big fans of the show, and we
Speaker 1: think you and Josh are great and just wanted to
Speaker 1: touch base when you're ever out here. Would love to
Speaker 1: go to lunch or something. And that sort of struck
Speaker 1: a new um kind of email slash online Facebook friendship
Speaker 1: with Brian. I was finally able to meet Brian and
Speaker 1: a few of the other guys in person a few
Speaker 1: years ago when he invited me to the set of
Speaker 1: Conan and out to lunch on the back lot and
Speaker 1: showed me backstage and towards the offices and has always
Speaker 1: just been so kind to me, and UM, I kind
Speaker 1: of joke to him on the episode, UM that he
Speaker 1: always treated me like a professional peer, even though I
Speaker 1: certainly didn't deserve it, because Brian and anyone in that
Speaker 1: writer's room to me, I just hold on such a
Speaker 1: pettus soll Um. Conan was always after Letterman, you know,
Speaker 1: the Letterman years, my favorite late night show and um
Speaker 1: still still remain so today. So always so much respect
Speaker 1: for those guys. And Brian has always been such a
Speaker 1: good guy to me, really one of the nicest guys
Speaker 1: in show business. And a stand up as well, really
Speaker 1: funny stand up, and we we talk a lot about
Speaker 1: that and have a really good conversation about writing jokes,
Speaker 1: and he's very open, unlike a lot of comics about
Speaker 1: the process and and doing stand up and and writing
Speaker 1: great setups and punch lines over and over a year
Speaker 1: after year for himself and for Conan. So we had
Speaker 1: a great conversation. His movie Crush was the nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: five action adventure from John Houston, the Man who would
Speaker 1: be King movie that I had not seen before that
Speaker 1: I liked very much. So here we go, everyone with
Speaker 1: the great Brian Kylie on the man who would be
Speaker 1: king how you doing. I'm okay, how's your little girl?
Speaker 1: She is great? Uh, you know, I mean you know
Speaker 1: the deal. And in fact, you gave me some good
Speaker 1: advice early on, which was, um, the things that you
Speaker 1: just sort of think you'll remember, you won't, and to
Speaker 1: like write down as much as you can. That's the
Speaker 1: only advice I ever give young parents, because there's so
Speaker 1: much No one is funnier than a five year old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, I've been around comedians and comedy
Speaker 1: writers for years. Still five year olds are hilarious every day.
Speaker 1: Well it's funny because we, uh, I'm trying to teach
Speaker 1: her about like the rules of comedy and stuff and
Speaker 1: the rule of threes. And from the very beginning when
Speaker 1: we would go to the playground, I would do this
Speaker 1: silly bit where I would on the swing, I would
Speaker 1: act like I was texting someone or on my phone,
Speaker 1: and she would kick it out of my hands and she,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like at that age is just again
Speaker 1: again again. And I said, I'm only going to do
Speaker 1: it if you call it the phone bit. And so
Speaker 1: from the time she was like three years old, she
Speaker 1: calls everything a bit to the phone bit. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's so fantastic. And then with the again again again thing. Um,
Speaker 1: I had to teach her about a bit having legs.
Speaker 1: I was like, that bit doesn't have legs. What does
Speaker 1: that mean. I was like, well, some some bits you
Speaker 1: can do over and over and over and it's still funny.
Speaker 1: It's some you do it two or three times and
Speaker 1: then it's not so funny anymore. And that means it
Speaker 1: didn't have legs. So now the thing is, come on, daddy,
Speaker 1: that bit has legs. That's so funny. Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Now your kids are both long gone now right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean my daughter is actually home right now, but
Speaker 1: she's she's going to grad school, so she'll she'll be
Speaker 1: going back. You know, she missed out. She graduated in May,
Speaker 1: but she didn't get to have a graduation and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. Man. So um, but she'll be going back
Speaker 1: for the last semester to get out for masters in
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks of And my son actually is
Speaker 1: going to be going to law school, so he's moving
Speaker 1: home for a couple of months until he is what
Speaker 1: he's gotten into a few but he doesn't know what
Speaker 1: you when he's going to yet, so wow, that's great
Speaker 1: until that sort out. So yeah, but both what kind
Speaker 1: of lawsy interested in? I actually think he wants to
Speaker 1: get into politics, so I know, I know, I think
Speaker 1: he's really interested in that, so be interesting to see.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, that's you know, it's funny
Speaker 1: because I came out of college and went into comedy,
Speaker 1: so I have no moral high ground to stay with
Speaker 1: my kids. You know, you're gonna be practical or what
Speaker 1: you know. So yeah, yeah, that was actually I mean
Speaker 1: that Segway is kind of into our first Um. And
Speaker 1: by the way, the recording is going to be fine,
Speaker 1: he said, okay, great, great, so this is the show.
Speaker 1: We're doing the show now we are. I am curious,
Speaker 1: so I know you're from the Boston area. Where were
Speaker 1: you actually born and raised? I was born and raised
Speaker 1: in Newton, mass which is just outside of Boston. It's
Speaker 1: actually touching Boston. Um, and uh yeah, I'm from on
Speaker 1: the middle of five kids and a big Irish Catholic family.
Speaker 1: And then I went to college. I went to Boston
Speaker 1: College and then I started doing comedy in in Boston
Speaker 1: when I was in college, and then I came out
Speaker 1: and just did stand up to Then uh, I got
Speaker 1: hired to Conan. Wow, so you started stand up in
Speaker 1: I mean, what would this have been the mid eighties earlier? Yeah,
Speaker 1: early eighties. I yeah, I graduated in eighty three, so
Speaker 1: I started, I guess eighty two or something at two
Speaker 1: and then, um, I started getting some actual gigs my
Speaker 1: senior year. It would be for like thirty dollars to
Speaker 1: go to New Hampshire or something, and you know and
Speaker 1: do ten or fifteen and you know, I had still
Speaker 1: little time. I only had like ten minutes or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, you build it up, and then um, I
Speaker 1: just came out of college and it was I kind
Speaker 1: of luckily the comedy boom kind of happened right when
Speaker 1: I was graduating. So I came out and there were
Speaker 1: all these gigs and I was able to make a living.
Speaker 1: I mean a meager living, but I was able to
Speaker 1: make my living. And then, um, I was on the
Speaker 1: road probably about one week a month, so most of
Speaker 1: the time I was there. There was enough work in
Speaker 1: Boston because you could go there were colleges, your clubs.
Speaker 1: There were one night ers. You know, you might drive
Speaker 1: to Maine one night and do a show and drive
Speaker 1: back that night, and then the next day you're doing
Speaker 1: a college in Vermont, or the next night you're in
Speaker 1: Connecticut at a at a just a bar or whatever,
Speaker 1: you know. Just but there was a ton of gigs
Speaker 1: in New England in those days. So that's cool. I
Speaker 1: think I remember listening to the Mayrin episode. Did you
Speaker 1: guys overlap there in Boston? Yeah, we actually did open
Speaker 1: mics together, and then and then I when I was
Speaker 1: twenty five, I was hosting Open Mike and we had
Speaker 1: like Louis c K would come as a new comic
Speaker 1: right stuff like that, you know. So yeah, so I
Speaker 1: with Louis c K and Dane Cook and Mark Mayry,
Speaker 1: like I saw, you know, Joe Rogan and all these people.
Speaker 1: Bill Burr. Yeah. Now, what what was your family like?
Speaker 1: Were they funny? Were you always uh like amidst laughter? Uh?
Speaker 1: My older brother was funny, and I think he was
Speaker 1: kind of my role model. And and I would I
Speaker 1: would do bits um just to make him laugh, you know. Um.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say my parents were funny, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know that they I don't know that they that was
Speaker 1: a priority. You know. I feel like you and I,
Speaker 1: I think we were always trying to make our kids laugh.
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think my parents had never
Speaker 1: occurred to them I should try to make my kids
Speaker 1: like kind of kind of the same. And they weren't
Speaker 1: overly serious. It just it never occurred to them. Probably. No,
Speaker 1: I think it's a generational thing of yah, you know, um, yes,
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, it's funny because my younger
Speaker 1: brother went to Harvard and he was the smart one,
Speaker 1: and I think early on I was like, oh, my
Speaker 1: little brother smarter than me, so I had to kind
Speaker 1: of carve my own niche. You know what, how did
Speaker 1: your parents feel about your career? Well, I think that
Speaker 1: they they always knew I was this comedy nerd and
Speaker 1: then I love comedy. And I think that even as
Speaker 1: a little kid, like they'd have company over and I'd
Speaker 1: have some jokes for them, like from a joke board
Speaker 1: or or whatever, you know what I mean. And I
Speaker 1: think they were kind of like, I don't. I think
Speaker 1: they were kind of resigned to it in a way
Speaker 1: of like, but I mean I could make them laugh,
Speaker 1: which which helped Um, but I don't think that they
Speaker 1: were like, oh, we can't wait till our kid goes
Speaker 1: into comedy. Right were you were you listening to like
Speaker 1: comedy albums growing up and stuff? Was something was going
Speaker 1: to had your eye on? Yeah? I was, And there
Speaker 1: was just when I was a teenager, there was this
Speaker 1: guy named Kenny Mayer in Brookline, mass which actually kons
Speaker 1: from who had this radio show and it was from
Speaker 1: like like eleven to midnight or midnight to one am.
Speaker 1: But I remember I wasn't I was supposed to be asleep,
Speaker 1: and I would be listening in my radio when my
Speaker 1: little transistor or whatever, and he would play whole whole
Speaker 1: comedy albums, could play like half of an album and
Speaker 1: I have some commercials and then play another half of
Speaker 1: another album or whatever. So I would stay up secretly
Speaker 1: and be listening to Bill Cosby albums or Bob new
Speaker 1: Heart albums or whatever. Um, and I just love that stuff,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean I did the same. I
Speaker 1: mean I think I had a George Carlin album and
Speaker 1: of course Bill Cosby himself was just sort of a
Speaker 1: life changing record for me. Um, Like I'd never had
Speaker 1: a comedy album that I listened to over and over
Speaker 1: and over and memorized, and I remember when I finally
Speaker 1: saw it was years later when I saw the actual
Speaker 1: performance on HBO. It really freaked me out as something
Speaker 1: I had listened to dozens of times and pictured in
Speaker 1: my head as a certain way, and I remember actually
Speaker 1: seeing it was was weird. That's so interesting. And you
Speaker 1: know I saw him. I got to see him perform
Speaker 1: live when I was in my early twenties, and you
Speaker 1: could just see almost like the technical skills that he had,
Speaker 1: you know, and he did this whole bit about how
Speaker 1: how your memory as you get older it goes from
Speaker 1: your head down really basically to your ass. And he'd say,
Speaker 1: he go, he had leave the room, you go in
Speaker 1: the other room, could remember what he went in. Therefore
Speaker 1: came back and as soon as he sat down it
Speaker 1: would occur to him, all that's what I was looking for,
Speaker 1: you know, so that he was able to weave that
Speaker 1: into his set. But you know, he could walk around
Speaker 1: talk about something else and what was I gonna talk
Speaker 1: about and sitting in the stool and go, oh, now
Speaker 1: I remember, and it was such an ingenious callback, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But it's also that thing of you know, like I
Speaker 1: love Boody Allen and I loved Bill Cosby and it's
Speaker 1: so hard you know, you kind of have to keep
Speaker 1: that to Yeah, it's both very problematic individuals. Yeah, um yeah,
Speaker 1: and that sucks, you know because Bill Bill Cosby himself
Speaker 1: was a big part of my childhood and you know,
Speaker 1: I can't listen to it now without thinking like, what
Speaker 1: a what a creep he is? Absolutely, and it's it's
Speaker 1: so disappointing because you know, so for so many of us,
Speaker 1: we had him on such a pedestal, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's like wait what you know, Yeah, when your heroes
Speaker 1: are exposed like that, it's, um, it's tough. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: it wasn't when it wasn't someone got drunk and did one.
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, this is a forty years series
Speaker 1: of awful. You know, it's not hard to make up
Speaker 1: your mind about how you feel about that. So you
Speaker 1: met Conan, like, we'll tell me that story. Okay, well
Speaker 1: this is this is a little bit insane. So uh, Conan.
Speaker 1: I grew up in Newton and Conan grew uprom Brookline,
Speaker 1: which are adjacent towns. And we actually did the Google
Speaker 1: maps one day and he grew up exactly four miles
Speaker 1: from me, and we went to the same Sunday school
Speaker 1: when we were a little kid. Oh yeah, So I
Speaker 1: was in his brother Luke's class and he was in
Speaker 1: my brother Dan's class. Luke and I would sit it
Speaker 1: was like a Monday afternoon, you know, and and we
Speaker 1: were taught by nuns. And before the nun would come in,
Speaker 1: Luke and I would talk about the football games the
Speaker 1: day before, which is it's just hilarious because would be
Speaker 1: doing the same thing now, you know, like fifty years later.
Speaker 1: It would be like I would be having the same
Speaker 1: conversations that we had then, you know. Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: knew who Conan was. And then my brother went to
Speaker 1: Harvard within the same class as Conan, so he would
Speaker 1: when I was in college, he would show me, he go,
Speaker 1: remember that guy Conan O'Brien, And he would show me
Speaker 1: the Harvard lampoons that Conan was the editor and the
Speaker 1: president or whatever he was, and I read these really
Speaker 1: funny things and from uh so, and then when he
Speaker 1: started working on SNL and The Simpsons, I kind of
Speaker 1: followed his career at some extent. And it's the kind
Speaker 1: of thing, is I hadn't seen him since we were
Speaker 1: little kids, so I would have walked by him on
Speaker 1: the street and not known who he was. But I
Speaker 1: knew his name, and I was aware of his success
Speaker 1: and stuff. So when they announced Conan's gonna take over
Speaker 1: for Letterman, I was kind of like, oh, I kind
Speaker 1: of know that guy, you know. And then some friends
Speaker 1: of mine got hired at Conan h my friends tom
Speaker 1: Agna and Chuck clar and Louis c. K for all
Speaker 1: Boston Comics, and then um, somebody got fired and they
Speaker 1: were looking for somebody to write his monologue, and I
Speaker 1: used to. At that time. I was writing a lot
Speaker 1: of topical jokes in my act. So I joke in
Speaker 1: the paper every day. It's funny because there's no internet.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm a hundred years sol. But I
Speaker 1: got through the newspaper and I would write jokes from
Speaker 1: that and I would do them that night on stage.
Speaker 1: And so I was so used to writing topical jokes,
Speaker 1: so I wrote some new ones, but I also put
Speaker 1: some jokes from my act to look at some new
Speaker 1: I just sent them a packet of like fifty jokes
Speaker 1: and then they called said, yeah, okay, you start tomorrow.
Speaker 1: And the show was so shaky then, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: so I had these thirteen week contracts and there will
Speaker 1: constantly you'll be reading the New York Post and your
Speaker 1: daily news and maybe rumors of who's going to take
Speaker 1: over for Conan, like was going to be fired and
Speaker 1: they get to take over. And then, um, the show
Speaker 1: just kind of slowly built and slowly built. And then
Speaker 1: when we started getting uh Emmy nominations, that kind of
Speaker 1: gave us some credibility. Um, but it was a long
Speaker 1: time before we felt kind of secure, like, oh, I
Speaker 1: think we're okay here, you know. Um. But yeah, and
Speaker 1: then so as in March, I'll be there twenty seven years. Wow,
Speaker 1: that is unbelievable. Man. I was an early adopter. I
Speaker 1: mean I was a Letterman guy growing up. I mean
Speaker 1: as a kid, I watched Carson, of course, because that's
Speaker 1: just what you did, and he was, you know, just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And I learned so much about um comedy, I think
Speaker 1: from watching Carson. And then I have an older brother,
Speaker 1: you know, a few years older, so that's usually the entre.
Speaker 1: Like he goes to college and says, oh, you gotta
Speaker 1: start watching David Letterman, and then he said, Oh, there's
Speaker 1: this new guy, Conan O'Brien. You gotta watch. It's really great.
Speaker 1: It's right up your alley. And so I started watching Conan.
Speaker 1: I mean, what, what was the first year he's So
Speaker 1: he started in September of ninety three, and then I
Speaker 1: started in March of Yeah, I mean I was. I
Speaker 1: was in college then, and I can't say that I
Speaker 1: started in ninety three, but I bet you anything it
Speaker 1: was ninety four. It was pretty early, and it was
Speaker 1: just sort of perfect being the age that I was
Speaker 1: then in college, I felt like Conan was the late
Speaker 1: night host for my generation and really just sort of
Speaker 1: as much as I love Letterman, still he was still
Speaker 1: a little bit above my generation. Um and Conan just
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, there was always that connection, and
Speaker 1: I think it's amazing. I think it speaks to your
Speaker 1: talent and also to his loyalty. I know he's a
Speaker 1: pretty loyal guy. He really a great guy. And it's
Speaker 1: so funny because so many times I would have a
Speaker 1: meeting and it'd start the meeting and everyone's in there,
Speaker 1: all the red and he'd have a five minute conversation
Speaker 1: with me first about some Boston sports thing like Okay,
Speaker 1: what happened last night? Whatever? Everyone else is like these guys. Uh,
Speaker 1: but yeah, he's a great like I think people would
Speaker 1: love to know about what a day is like. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of in the in the prime of
Speaker 1: the show what is the what is the day like?
Speaker 1: For a monologue writer for and I guess it was
Speaker 1: it was you and Rob Kuttner sort of as a
Speaker 1: team for a while, right, Yeah. He well, he didn't
Speaker 1: start until we were out in l A. So he
Speaker 1: wasn't parad of the New York shows, but he came
Speaker 1: out here and he's a joke machine, that guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so funny. What what used to in the old days?
Speaker 1: I mean it's still it's shipped a little bit. But
Speaker 1: and the old days, I'd come into work and they'd
Speaker 1: be a stack of newspapers on my desk and you
Speaker 1: go through and you just look for the premises and
Speaker 1: you just try to find stuff that Conan will joke about,
Speaker 1: you know, if if there's a plane crash or something,
Speaker 1: when you know, sometimes the big story is some kind
Speaker 1: of tragedy that we're not going to do anything without that.
Speaker 1: It's usually about Okay, what's the president doing today? What
Speaker 1: is is there some celebrity in the news, there's there's
Speaker 1: some you know. I think in the early days there
Speaker 1: was a we did a lot of celebrity stuff, but
Speaker 1: I think it's less less of that now for whatever reason.
Speaker 1: But um, you'd find areas that you go, okay, you
Speaker 1: know what, there's something funny about this, and and so
Speaker 1: you kind of write down the topics that you thought
Speaker 1: were good to explore, and and sometimes it would be
Speaker 1: like an obscure story. But he he didn't like to
Speaker 1: focus on those. He wanted he wanted us to talk
Speaker 1: about the big stories for the most part. Pick out
Speaker 1: the stories. And I'd write a bunch of jokes, and
Speaker 1: then I'd get together with the other guys, the other
Speaker 1: monolig writers, and would kind of pool our jokes, and like,
Speaker 1: how many jokes when you say a bunch of jokes
Speaker 1: would each of you on a daily basis, Right on
Speaker 1: every day, I'd write about forty. Wow, but it's amazing.
Speaker 1: I'd tried about forty and he would do two of them.
Speaker 1: So bad jokes, not bad jokes though, you know. It's
Speaker 1: like that's why these I mean, that's why these shows
Speaker 1: are so great. It is because they pull together you
Speaker 1: know hundreds of jokes and tell you know twelve of them. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's true, and and and some sometimes you have to
Speaker 1: get the bad ones out first to kind of get
Speaker 1: the juices, you know. Um, so in the morning until
Speaker 1: like eleven or eleven thirty or so, I'd probably write
Speaker 1: about fifteen or twenty and then would pull them with
Speaker 1: the other guys and um, we'd um read through them,
Speaker 1: and it might be like sometimes someone else's joke might
Speaker 1: t you're a different idea for you. You might oh
Speaker 1: and so that way, what if we did this instead
Speaker 1: or whatever? And then we'd give him the jokes, uh,
Speaker 1: and then he would mark the ones he'd liked and
Speaker 1: say more on this or more on that, and then
Speaker 1: we'd write some new ones, and then we'd go down
Speaker 1: to meet with them, and he had read through the
Speaker 1: new ones and pick up the ones elect and then
Speaker 1: he'd read the ones he liked from the first match
Speaker 1: and see if they still hold up, and pretty much
Speaker 1: that was kind of so maybe there's ten or twelve
Speaker 1: from there, and then he's like, okay, So we'd put
Speaker 1: all those on qute cards and then uh, you know it,
Speaker 1: say it's the president's birthday or something he'd be like, oh,
Speaker 1: we don't have a good joke on this, we might
Speaker 1: go back and try to have some last minute hail
Speaker 1: Mary is there. Yeah, And then we get in the
Speaker 1: qute card meeting and have all the jokes that he
Speaker 1: liked earlier on que cards and then a couple of
Speaker 1: new ones, and then he reads through them with Andy
Speaker 1: and our our head writer and and our producer, and
Speaker 1: we're all there and we pick out the jokes at
Speaker 1: work and then we picked the order and then he
Speaker 1: goes and does them. So's and there are times there's
Speaker 1: a few times where you know, now with this show,
Speaker 1: we go out at four thirty in New York, it
Speaker 1: was five thirty, but there were times that the last
Speaker 1: minute to come up with something, but they'd like and
Speaker 1: it was it was like home ranked in the bottom
Speaker 1: of the ninth or something, you know, like like, well,
Speaker 1: at the very last second, we got that one in there,
Speaker 1: and then he went out and did it five minutes later.
Speaker 1: And it actually is nice to having that kind of
Speaker 1: immediacy of you know, you write it and then he
Speaker 1: goes out and does it that that you know, that
Speaker 1: afternoon or you know a few minutes later or whatever.
Speaker 1: I imagine the monotony is pretty intense, and being a
Speaker 1: joke machine, there's a lot of pressure to be funny
Speaker 1: every day. And we all have bad days as humans
Speaker 1: and days where we feel terrible or where you have
Speaker 1: personal things in your life, Like how hard is it
Speaker 1: to cast that aside and trudge on? That's a that's
Speaker 1: a very good question. You know. It's funny because I
Speaker 1: never got migraines until I started working there. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: usually people start getting migraines when they were in their
Speaker 1: teens or their twenties, and I wasn't. It wasn't for me.
Speaker 1: It was like in the late nine I would say,
Speaker 1: I was in my late thirties when I started getting migraines.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you do have those days. I do think
Speaker 1: sometimes you do have stuff in your personal life or whatever,
Speaker 1: but sometimes it can actually be a nice escape actually,
Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, I mean that definitely happens. There are
Speaker 1: times when you're tired, your brain is tired, and you're like,
Speaker 1: I just don't have it. You know. That happens sometimes too,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, but then sometimes you like it
Speaker 1: took you know, sometimes you're like, oh, it took me
Speaker 1: a while to get going like my morning match was terrible,
Speaker 1: and then you know, and that's sometimes I've had my
Speaker 1: morning batch is terrible, in the afternoon's terrible, and then
Speaker 1: the third match it's like, oh I finally kind of
Speaker 1: came alive there and saved it at the last minute.
Speaker 1: You know. So sometimes you get that little adrenaline boost
Speaker 1: or something like that. Um, but you know, luckily, I'm
Speaker 1: you know, you have other people to work on two,
Speaker 1: so hopefully you know other Yeah, absolutely, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's a job where you can't. I you're not allowed
Speaker 1: to have writer's block. Um, you kind of probably not
Speaker 1: allowed to like Collins sick if you don't feel great.
Speaker 1: I mean you have to you have to be that
Speaker 1: joke joke factory. That's just an amazing thing to do
Speaker 1: for twenty seven years. Well it's funny because now it's
Speaker 1: just it's just Laura Kilmartin and me writing the monologue.
Speaker 1: And she's great. He is great, and she's so funny.
Speaker 1: But it is the thing of you know, we can't
Speaker 1: have a bad day. You know, one of us is
Speaker 1: a bad day. It's a lot of pressure on the
Speaker 1: other one, you know. Um, but before we've had three
Speaker 1: or four or even six monologue writers. So as the shows,
Speaker 1: you know, this shows kind of changed and that's only
Speaker 1: half hour and we have the writers and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But um, yeah, I mean there are those times we're
Speaker 1: like h And also sometimes what you're looking at in
Speaker 1: the news is is bleak. You know. I remember when
Speaker 1: I was first there, the first month or two, everything
Speaker 1: was fine, and then we had the Oklahoma City bombing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think Jackie Onassis died at like the same well,
Speaker 1: like right at the same time, and like every story,
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, we can't touch any of this stuff.
Speaker 1: And you know how they have in the USA today
Speaker 1: they had a little state by state So Conan would
Speaker 1: come out and be like, hey, did you hear about
Speaker 1: this controller in St. Palm And what are you talking about? Noe,
Speaker 1: no one's heard about the right No one cares, you know,
Speaker 1: but we couldn't talk about the big stuff. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that's interesting. You gotta you gotta drill down and
Speaker 1: find the nuggets in there when the national news is
Speaker 1: so bleak, especially lately, you know, I mean we're recording
Speaker 1: this in real time, you know, a handful of days
Speaker 1: after the capital riots and cheese. Sometimes it's just hard
Speaker 1: to find humor anywhere. Oh my god. Yeah, and especially
Speaker 1: when someone's killed or something that it's like, you know, um,
Speaker 1: I remember when I was first there, we had some
Speaker 1: joke about a guy fell into a vat of cheese,
Speaker 1: and it was the joke was like he's getting better
Speaker 1: with age, but you know, the guy was seriously hurt,
Speaker 1: so we couldn't do a joke. But like a month later,
Speaker 1: ConA would be like, like, we'll be having a bad
Speaker 1: day and ConA would be like, how's that guy in
Speaker 1: the cheese doing right? Right? Well, I'm sure in that
Speaker 1: writer's room, you know, you bat around all manner of
Speaker 1: inappropriate jokes and just sometimes you just have to get
Speaker 1: those out. And also sometimes you know, sometimes shockingly that
Speaker 1: you said one as a joke for the room and
Speaker 1: it's on the show. You're like, wait, he picked that.
Speaker 1: He picked that? When I was I was actually kidding,
Speaker 1: you know, um uh. We said this thing called staring contest.
Speaker 1: Do you remember seeing those where Conan and Andy would
Speaker 1: have staring contest? Oh yeah, yeah, that was one of
Speaker 1: my favorite. Oh my god, it was so great and
Speaker 1: whoever would break so behind Conan he would have these
Speaker 1: things to come out to distract Andy to get him
Speaker 1: to break, so it would be all these sight gangs.
Speaker 1: And it was an amazing bit because it was a
Speaker 1: silent bit for like five minutes on National TV, and
Speaker 1: it was really funny. Luisy k came up with that.
Speaker 1: So I was home, I think, on a paternity leave,
Speaker 1: and I was submitting jokes remotely, and I submitted a
Speaker 1: bunch of sight gangs, and I had one that I
Speaker 1: was just kidding. Was us to make the room laugh?
Speaker 1: I don't know this is too inappropriate for your show here,
Speaker 1: but it was a quarterback going under center and then
Speaker 1: pulling out a gerbil and I swear I was just kidding.
Speaker 1: And then that night that was the closer and no
Speaker 1: one was more shocked than me. Hey, I gotta turn
Speaker 1: off my fridge real quick. Holder hit this world up.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so funny because I was so hoping
Speaker 1: that I would get to throw or commercial for me
Speaker 1: Andy's we could do that. Uh. You know, that's one
Speaker 1: of the things I always appreciated about your stand up two,
Speaker 1: which I love, which is and I've told you this before,
Speaker 1: but you know, there are all kinds of different ways
Speaker 1: to do comedy and and I think when the I
Speaker 1: hate the labels, but alternative comedy comes around and these
Speaker 1: weird storytelling storytelling bits, which can all be great, but
Speaker 1: I always appreciated just your dedication to the craft of
Speaker 1: the joke and writing a joke with a setup and
Speaker 1: a punchline. You get in, you get out, and it's
Speaker 1: just so clean and uh, I mean, there's this. It's
Speaker 1: just such an art form. It's really hard to write
Speaker 1: a joke and you've written tens of thousands of them,
Speaker 1: probably hundreds of thousands of them over the years. It's
Speaker 1: just amazing. Well, I do think it's I think early on,
Speaker 1: I you know, I tried sort of Seinfeld esque sort
Speaker 1: of observational things. I tried to impression. I tried to
Speaker 1: do impressions. I was the worst impression is in the
Speaker 1: World's like what was I think? Did you do? I
Speaker 1: tried to do like Peter Falk or whatever. So bad. Um.
Speaker 1: But I think early on I was realized it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm not good at this, and this
Speaker 1: is what I'm good at. Let me just do that.
Speaker 1: And because I kept trying to write longer bits, it's
Speaker 1: you know, if I do forty five minutes if I like,
Speaker 1: do your head and show that's a hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: five jokes. That's a lot of jokes too. And when
Speaker 1: I had my Comedy Central half hour special, you know
Speaker 1: they have it on the they have um teleprompter, So
Speaker 1: put all my stuff on bullet points and the teleprompter
Speaker 1: and they go, you've got nine jokes. That's a record. Well,
Speaker 1: I was gonna talk about just the simple nuts and
Speaker 1: bolts of just memorizing and act that long with that
Speaker 1: many jokes is astounding. It's you know, it's funny. I mean,
Speaker 1: when you're doing it all the time, you just you're
Speaker 1: just so used to it, you know. But there are
Speaker 1: times absolutely where, especially coming out to l A. You
Speaker 1: always every show you're doing short sets, and so when
Speaker 1: they go, okay, we want you to headline this day,
Speaker 1: and before it was like, oh, I haven't done forty
Speaker 1: five minutes like three years, you know, and I've just
Speaker 1: been all day writing up my set and going through
Speaker 1: you know, when it's yeah, there are times like oh
Speaker 1: I forgot that trunk or what right? I try to
Speaker 1: keep stuff like okay, here are my high school jokes
Speaker 1: and here are my jokes. Got to keep Thoms together
Speaker 1: because otherwise, um, you get lost. But also you have
Speaker 1: to keep in the same order. Like if you do
Speaker 1: two or three shows in a night, by the third show,
Speaker 1: you're like, did I do this joker? You know? So
Speaker 1: that's got to be scary as hell. It's and you
Speaker 1: do see comics repeat a joke, and there is that
Speaker 1: feeling of have I done this joke before? And then
Speaker 1: when they laugh, you're like, okay, I few, I didn't write, man,
Speaker 1: But yeah, that is a terrifying feeling. Oh, I imagine
Speaker 1: one of your favorite jokes of mine and I can't.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping you can remember it. But and I know
Speaker 1: it's like saying to do one of your hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of jokes. But it was a joke about, um,
Speaker 1: your wife having sex with your wife and a fireman.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, there was the chuck about we
Speaker 1: we tried to spice things up. We tried some role playing, right,
Speaker 1: so I dressed up as a firefighter and my wife
Speaker 1: dressed up as someone who didn't really feel like having
Speaker 1: sex with a firefighter. That's it. Oh man, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you remembered it because I couldn't. That's one favorite jokes
Speaker 1: I told that joke to friends, giving you credit of
Speaker 1: course for years after I heard it. Uh, there's just
Speaker 1: something about it, man, it just kills me because it
Speaker 1: takes you know, I think that's one of the best
Speaker 1: kinds of jokes, and that it takes you in a
Speaker 1: different direction from where you start in such a brief
Speaker 1: amount of time. Uh, there's that little bit of misdirection
Speaker 1: that Uh, and it's a surprise. The punch line is
Speaker 1: a surprise. You think it's going one way and it's
Speaker 1: a three cent it's joke and it takes you in
Speaker 1: another direction. It's just it's brilliant. Man. I love it.
Speaker 1: I would never retire that joke from act if I
Speaker 1: were you, That's one of the great jokes. Uh. Do
Speaker 1: you walk around every day like is it hard to
Speaker 1: turn off that switch? Or are you constantly is that
Speaker 1: annoyingly les? Yeah? My loved ones hate me. I mean
Speaker 1: it's yeah, it's there's constantly that is this something or
Speaker 1: is this funny? And not on purpose? Like you just
Speaker 1: out doing your life and then something strikes you and
Speaker 1: you're kind of like and I used to keep a
Speaker 1: little notepad and I would kind of jomp something down,
Speaker 1: and now I just had my phone and I just
Speaker 1: put something in the phone if I you know, I
Speaker 1: have that ever note, put something if I think of
Speaker 1: a joke. But yeah, I mean still it's I still
Speaker 1: have that thing of I love when I come up
Speaker 1: with a new joke that I'm excited about that I
Speaker 1: can't wait to try. Yeah, I see certain comics where
Speaker 1: they have not changed their act at all in twenty
Speaker 1: years or something. You think, and even if it kills
Speaker 1: it's like, isn't that boring to just like, you know,
Speaker 1: if I do a hundred jocks, there's times with it
Speaker 1: my whole set, I can't wait till the one new
Speaker 1: joke in the middle, you know, right, And that's the
Speaker 1: fun part of And so many times you're wrong. You think, oh,
Speaker 1: way do they hear this? And then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: well they heard it. How disappointing is that when you
Speaker 1: have a joke that you really love one of your babies,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't fly. It's you know, especially one that
Speaker 1: you're excited about. And sometimes a joke can be it's
Speaker 1: too much of a reach for it. It's like it's
Speaker 1: you think it's clever, but it's a little too contrived
Speaker 1: or something or it's too obscure. And also sometimes it's
Speaker 1: a thing of you do a joke a hundred times
Speaker 1: and it works ninety nine and is that one time
Speaker 1: it doesn't and you want to go, wait, what what's
Speaker 1: wrong with you? People you know want to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, is the audience always right? Do you walk
Speaker 1: out of there sometimes saying like nah, that that ship
Speaker 1: was funny and they didn't get it. Most of the
Speaker 1: time they're right, But there are those exceptions where you go, now,
Speaker 1: I've done that joke five times and it's always worked.
Speaker 1: That's not me, that's on you, you know. Yeah. Um so,
Speaker 1: I mean there are you can get a dumb crowd,
Speaker 1: or you can get you know whatever, were the too
Speaker 1: drunk or whatever. But for the most part, there's most
Speaker 1: of the time I think, oh, waited to hear this,
Speaker 1: and if it doesn't work, I'll look back on it
Speaker 1: three months later and go, yeah, they were right, that
Speaker 1: wasn't that wasn't very well. You just briefly mentioned people
Speaker 1: getting too drunk. What I know, every comic has their
Speaker 1: own Heckler sort of defense plan. How did you handle
Speaker 1: that over the years? What was your move? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I would I um, I would try to ignore as
Speaker 1: much as I could, because sometimes what happened is you
Speaker 1: come out. I would always record my sets, and the
Speaker 1: old days now record them on my phone, but the
Speaker 1: old days I would record them on a tape recorder.
Speaker 1: And sometimes somebody the front row says something and nobody
Speaker 1: else can hear it, and so you lash up. Is
Speaker 1: suddenly the audience is kind of like, why is he
Speaker 1: just suddenly lashing on this guy? Right? You know? So
Speaker 1: I've kind of learned that if but if if it's
Speaker 1: something that everybody is aware of, um, and something my
Speaker 1: friend Barry Kirmen's taught me of try to point out
Speaker 1: in what way they're being a jerk, you know, Um,
Speaker 1: so if you can kind of flip it on them.
Speaker 1: But um, I think I got I think I get
Speaker 1: less heckled now just because I'm older. I think there's
Speaker 1: a certain like it's almost like I think sometimes they're like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be heckling my dad. Like if
Speaker 1: we're both and they're heckling, it's one thing. But if
Speaker 1: they're twenty five and you know, and they see me like,
Speaker 1: I think there's a little bit of Yeah, I guess,
Speaker 1: but I think a little bit of respect for my
Speaker 1: age or whatever you well in your career, Like imagine,
Speaker 1: like people know who you are when they go to
Speaker 1: see you, and what kind of an asshole is going
Speaker 1: to heckle the guy who's been writing like some of
Speaker 1: the greatest monologues in the past twenty seven years. You
Speaker 1: have to be a real shphead. Occasionally there is a
Speaker 1: real shifhead. But yeah, um, but I do think you um,
Speaker 1: And I also think I work in better rooms now too.
Speaker 1: I think you know, when you're in the beginning, you're
Speaker 1: in every dive and every you know, and also sometimes
Speaker 1: your rooms where they didn't come for comedy, they don't
Speaker 1: want comedy, they're out of bar, and okay, we're forcing
Speaker 1: the show on you. And there sometimes where it's like
Speaker 1: I think I'm the rude one. This is a couple
Speaker 1: that's on a date. I'm like, no, sorry, I'm here.
Speaker 1: You can't talk now, you know? Wow, man, that is
Speaker 1: so cool. I mean, I love this insight. Uh. I
Speaker 1: haven't had a bunch of stand ups. I mean I've
Speaker 1: had a handful, but um, I don't know. It feels
Speaker 1: like people don't talk about it that much and always
Speaker 1: that you're kind of open to talking about things I
Speaker 1: have just said. I love I mean, it's one of
Speaker 1: the things I do. Love stand up and I love
Speaker 1: talking about it because it's you never really master it
Speaker 1: in a way, you know, it's it's always a challenge.
Speaker 1: It's it's that the challenge never ends. Really. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: and just on a personal level, like you started, I
Speaker 1: think you've got in touch with me many years ago
Speaker 1: because you listen to stuff you should know, and um,
Speaker 1: some of the other guys, Rob Kuttner, who is originally
Speaker 1: from Atlanta when your monologue writing partners listened and Dan
Speaker 1: Cronin from the show listened, and all of a sudden, like,
Speaker 1: I'm this guy who never had a job in show
Speaker 1: business and sort of lucked into this weird career and
Speaker 1: I'm getting, uh, I'm getting these heroes of mine that
Speaker 1: work on the show, that all those all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: you're getting in touch with me saying you like my
Speaker 1: work and it always just meant so much to me.
Speaker 1: How you in particular, Uh, And I don't know if
Speaker 1: you've got the book that I've seen, Yeah, yesterday, And
Speaker 1: part of the inscription was, you know, thank you for
Speaker 1: always pretending like we were professional peers that always meant
Speaker 1: so much to me and was such a big boost
Speaker 1: for me and how I felt about Um, did I
Speaker 1: deserve to even do this job? Please? I mean the
Speaker 1: amount of hours you guys have logged, it's I mean,
Speaker 1: how many thousands now, I mean it's incredible over four
Speaker 1: episodes for stuff you should know, and it's it's such
Speaker 1: a great show because it's it's funny, but it's also you.
Speaker 1: I've learned so much and it's entertained, you know, and
Speaker 1: it's never dry, it's it's and you guys have a
Speaker 1: great chemistry. I don't know, Um, I love it. I
Speaker 1: think it's it's really been my favorite podcast for years.
Speaker 1: So thanks man. I mean, it always meant so much
Speaker 1: to me that you uh kind of treated me with
Speaker 1: such kindness and when I went to l at that
Speaker 1: time and uh you invited me out for lunch and
Speaker 1: gave me the backstage tour in uh, I mean, I
Speaker 1: was like a kid in a candy store. You know.
Speaker 1: It was just amazing, So big thanks, my friend. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: all right, Do you want to talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about the man who would be king? Sure should not.
Speaker 1: Did you get to see in I did, of course, Um,
Speaker 1: This is the first time I've actually seen this movie
Speaker 1: from nine directed by the great John Houston, Um written
Speaker 1: by John Houston, and I think Gladys Hill from the
Speaker 1: Rudyard Kipling uh novella was like a short novel. Um,
Speaker 1: Where did this movie come into your life? And why
Speaker 1: is why is this your movie? Crush? My friend Barry Crimmins,
Speaker 1: who was sort of my mentor, my comedy mentor, he
Speaker 1: he showed it to me, and I guess I was
Speaker 1: in my early twenties, and I remember my older brother
Speaker 1: had mentioned it to me. When you know, there's so
Speaker 1: many movies. You know, my older brother is seven years
Speaker 1: older and my older sisters nine and a half years older.
Speaker 1: So when I was, you know, twelve and thirty ten
Speaker 1: or whatever, they were going to see these movies in
Speaker 1: the seventies that had all this cashe in my mind
Speaker 1: of like, oh, I'd like to see that, you know,
Speaker 1: but I couldn't go or whatever. And then a lot
Speaker 1: of them, as I've gotten older and watched them, you know,
Speaker 1: at Blockbuster or Netflix or whatever, I'm like, ah, that
Speaker 1: movie wasn't very good. I've been waiting forty years to
Speaker 1: one that movie it was, you know, and somebody don't
Speaker 1: hold up, but this, this was this really holds up
Speaker 1: because it's it's such an ingenious story where I read
Speaker 1: the short story, the novella or whatever it was this
Speaker 1: week to kind of this. But um, the movie is
Speaker 1: very true to the to the I mean, the movie
Speaker 1: is very true to the story. And um, the way
Speaker 1: he plants these seeds that they all pay off is
Speaker 1: is so remarkable to me. And I also love my
Speaker 1: favorite thing. You know, I used to watch you know,
Speaker 1: when I watch Batman as a little kid, and when
Speaker 1: you watch James, there's always this elaborate way they're going
Speaker 1: to be killed and whatever, and then they get out
Speaker 1: of it, and it's always whenever. So many movies where
Speaker 1: the heroes in danger and the way they get out
Speaker 1: of it is so sort of they just shoot somebody
Speaker 1: in the hand or whenever they beat them up or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's so lame. And this one in particular, where you
Speaker 1: can have spoilers, you're right. It's a where they're they're
Speaker 1: crossing the mountains and then is that the giant crevice
Speaker 1: and they can't get across and they're gonna die, and
Speaker 1: they just sit there and they start talking, telling their
Speaker 1: old stories and they start laughing and they laughed so
Speaker 1: hard that they caused the avalanche. And I just thought
Speaker 1: that was the most ingenious way of getting over an obstacle,
Speaker 1: in the way of getting out of the situation I've
Speaker 1: seen in any TV show or any movie. I just
Speaker 1: thought that was so brilliant, you know. Yeah. Um, just
Speaker 1: to sort of overview for the listeners if you haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, it's about to former English soldiers who basically
Speaker 1: are turned into a con artist, like a con artist
Speaker 1: team a couple of grifters. Danny Dravat in uh one
Speaker 1: of the great names of all time. Peachy Carnahan is
Speaker 1: Michael Caine's character, and Sean Connery just like peaque handsome
Speaker 1: Sean Connery in this movie and he Uh. They decide
Speaker 1: to leave India and basically go to the Middle East
Speaker 1: and grift these um and this is I guess, uh,
Speaker 1: late eight hundreds, and they decided to a plan for
Speaker 1: them would be to go and sort of grift these
Speaker 1: people in the Middle East who they see as as
Speaker 1: savages into thinking they are kings and eventually gods and
Speaker 1: and in looting them and leaving and uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of this crazy plan that that kind of works
Speaker 1: until like the very end. It's pretty remarkable, it really is.
Speaker 1: And the way it's so it's so plausibly done, and
Speaker 1: the way that they keep every scenario where they get
Speaker 1: in danger, there's such an ingenious way that they get
Speaker 1: out of it and win. Yeah, it's it's just so
Speaker 1: cleverly done. That's what I That's what I love about it. Um.
Speaker 1: And they're such great actors, you know, oh man, I
Speaker 1: mean what appairing. I know that earlier Houston tried to
Speaker 1: develop it with Bogart and Gable. Yeah, Clark Gable is
Speaker 1: the Sean Connery role and then Bogart is Michael Caine's role.
Speaker 1: But when you see these guys, I mean, their chemistry
Speaker 1: is great. Um. It's not the movie that I thought
Speaker 1: it was. I I think I thought it was a
Speaker 1: bit more of a Lawrence of Arabia type of thing.
Speaker 1: I didn't know how funny it was gonna be. Um,
Speaker 1: But I think he he hit just the right tone.
Speaker 1: I think if it were remade today, it would be
Speaker 1: way bloodier and also way more um played for laughs
Speaker 1: kind of been the wrong way. It would be like
Speaker 1: Owen Wilson in the Rock or something, and probably a
Speaker 1: lot of dumb jokes. But I think they hit the
Speaker 1: comedy just right in this movie. I always felt this
Speaker 1: way that really good dramas because they set the tension
Speaker 1: up so well that that the comedy always pays off
Speaker 1: because you're not expecting it and they've created this tension
Speaker 1: and you're nervous, and then it's like it's such your release,
Speaker 1: you know, And also you're not looking for a joke there,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, but I did think that has a
Speaker 1: bunch of funny lines in it. Yeah, that's I just
Speaker 1: love the the elaborateness of it and how cleverly it's.
Speaker 1: It's it's constructed, you know. Yeah, and it's a movie
Speaker 1: even though it's um At times it feels like it's
Speaker 1: going to an inevitable conclusion. But for a lot of
Speaker 1: the movie, you're kind of guessing what's going to happen
Speaker 1: to these eyes? And is there Like for a while
Speaker 1: I was wondering, is there any treasure? Like I kind
Speaker 1: of thought the conclusion was going to be they go
Speaker 1: and they do sort of install themselves as a king
Speaker 1: and his I guess, sort of right hand man. But
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be any treasure and it'll be all
Speaker 1: for not but there is treasure, uh, and they discover that.
Speaker 1: That's one of the funny bits is when Sean Connery
Speaker 1: holds up that ruby and he's like, look at the
Speaker 1: shows of this ruby, and then Michael Caine holds one
Speaker 1: up it's like three times as big. It's just it's
Speaker 1: a great little sight gag, especially for those guys who
Speaker 1: are like pickpockets and whatever. Suddenly they're in the wealthiest
Speaker 1: room that it's there. You know, it's so great, beyond
Speaker 1: their wildest beings. Um, it's so awesome. Well, and it
Speaker 1: looks amazing, like uh, I know, we sound like old
Speaker 1: guys to say like they don't make them like this anymore,
Speaker 1: but they truly don't. When you see these these scenes
Speaker 1: with three hundred extras and fifty camels and thirty goats
Speaker 1: and all the costuming, he's just so real and everything
Speaker 1: would be c G I now or whatever, and yeah,
Speaker 1: there it is. He like the excuse there are how
Speaker 1: there's a Yeah, it's incredible. It did remind me of
Speaker 1: Lawrence of Arabia a little bit, except just for that
Speaker 1: big sort of sweeping you know, this is John Houston.
Speaker 1: It's in technicolor, and it's just it's it's just a
Speaker 1: real movie. It feels like something not made in n
Speaker 1: I know, I'm actually surprised it didn't get more acclaimed
Speaker 1: awards wise or whatever. But yeah, and there's this, you know,
Speaker 1: Michael Caine is great, and there's all these little side
Speaker 1: stret So there's a story. He told he was in
Speaker 1: some movie, some terrible movie in the seventies and it
Speaker 1: might have been The Swarm or something like that. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure which movie was, but they asked him about
Speaker 1: it and he said, you know, I haven't seen the film.
Speaker 1: I hear it's dreadful, but I have seen the house
Speaker 1: that had paid for and it's beautiful. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: just such a legend and he's uh and this is
Speaker 1: sort of peaque Michael Caine as well, um in the
Speaker 1: mid seventies, so funny, and that that just he he's
Speaker 1: an actor, who uh. I know, he had a harder
Speaker 1: time getting work at first because of his accent, and
Speaker 1: he was always sort of told to be to put
Speaker 1: on a bit more of the posh English accent, but
Speaker 1: that no one has a better speaking voice than Michael Caine.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love that scene. Is it road Trip?
Speaker 1: What's that scene with those two guys have the dueling
Speaker 1: Michael Caine. Oh, I don't know. It's a great He's
Speaker 1: two British guys again and one guy does that Michael Caine.
Speaker 1: He does look really good Michael Caine, and the other
Speaker 1: guy's like no, no, no, and then he does his
Speaker 1: Michael Caine and you're like, okay, you win. It's better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's even better. It's so good. I'm blanking on. Um.
Speaker 1: Their their names, but it's so good. Um. But I
Speaker 1: was so the woman that Sean Connery tries to marry
Speaker 1: in the movie. So that's Michael Caine's real life. What right?
Speaker 1: I saw that afterwards? Shakira Kane Kirakane, so I looked
Speaker 1: up in Wikipedia. So he had seen her on a
Speaker 1: Maxwell House coffee commercial and he got her number from
Speaker 1: her agent and he called her like ten days in
Speaker 1: a row and she's like no, no, no, whatever, and
Speaker 1: then she agreed to go on a date with him
Speaker 1: or whatever. But can you imagine that you see someone
Speaker 1: on a commercial and you're like, you know, like I
Speaker 1: had the power to just say I want to date her.
Speaker 1: I tried that years ago with flow from progressive and
Speaker 1: didn't work out. I got nowhere. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to tell, but I was just meaning that I thought
Speaker 1: that was such a cool thing of like, really, you
Speaker 1: can do that and they're still married. I mean they've
Speaker 1: been married since three or something like, Yeah, unbelievable. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very cool. I wondered, Um, actually I looked her
Speaker 1: up to because I wondered if they had met on
Speaker 1: this movie, but um, they had met previous. And you know,
Speaker 1: I guess she got the part because it was Michael
Speaker 1: Caine's wife and she was beautiful, right, and yeah, and
Speaker 1: she had the good look the look for that that
Speaker 1: you know, because it's funny because I remember seeing around
Speaker 1: the world in Eighty Days and at one point they're
Speaker 1: in India and David Niven meets this Indian princess and
Speaker 1: it's Shirley McClain and you're like, wait, I love Shirley McClain.
Speaker 1: However I don't. She hasn't seen that Indian to me,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I mean those are the days
Speaker 1: when they would, you know, appropriate whatever they wanted. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So but it was it's kind of cool that it
Speaker 1: his his wife had this memorable part, you know, oh totally.
Speaker 1: And then that wedding scene too was so creepy. I mean,
Speaker 1: this movie does have some intense moments. Then I think
Speaker 1: it's sort of interesting to balance out sort of the
Speaker 1: lighter comedic parts with some really I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: very intense scene, that wedding scene. The movie is really
Speaker 1: very grounded, Like those guys seem very real. Their friendship
Speaker 1: seems like they've been friends forever and they've been through
Speaker 1: everything together. And um, it's such a plausible movie for
Speaker 1: for considering what what the stakes are and what's happening.
Speaker 1: You know. Um, that's what I love about it. You
Speaker 1: you totally you go, okay, I'm with you for this ride.
Speaker 1: Because some always were like okay, come on, you know,
Speaker 1: but this is like, all right, I'm on board here,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah. I mean it's kind of a buddy
Speaker 1: comedy adventure movie. Um, what was your take on The
Speaker 1: one thing I didn't quite get my head around was
Speaker 1: this the contract they signed to not woman eyes or
Speaker 1: to not drink, Like, what what was your take on that?
Speaker 1: Why they did that? Oh? I My take was that,
Speaker 1: you know, they were these sort of m delinquent soldiers
Speaker 1: for so long yeah. You know. My take was that
Speaker 1: they were constantly drinking and constantly womanizing, and I think
Speaker 1: that they had been I got the impression that they've
Speaker 1: been so much trouble and for years and years, so
Speaker 1: they're like, Okay, we're finally going to cut it out
Speaker 1: and do this right this right? Yeah, okay, Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's a good read. That's the way I looked
Speaker 1: at it. Yeah. Uh. And you know Christopher Plumbers in
Speaker 1: those early scenes as Rudyard Kipling and that great set
Speaker 1: up at the beginning when Michael Caine comes in unrecognizable
Speaker 1: as Michael Caine, but you hear the voice and you're like, well,
Speaker 1: of course it's Michael Caine. But he's got that great
Speaker 1: line though he's kind of grotesque looking, and Christopher Plumber
Speaker 1: looks at him and then kind of looks away, and
Speaker 1: he goes keep looking at me. It helps, It helps
Speaker 1: to keep my soul from flying off. It's like such
Speaker 1: a great line. Yes, yes, and it's this And reading
Speaker 1: the novella, there was a lot of things you go, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this went right into the movie. It's usually
Speaker 1: they take a lot of liberties with these things. But
Speaker 1: I mean, there's beautiful lines that are just in the movie,
Speaker 1: but there's also beautiful lines that they took from the
Speaker 1: story that's like, yeah, why why would you lose that?
Speaker 1: You know? Yeah, yeah, that's cool. But that is a
Speaker 1: very lyrical thing because it's great. I love that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I thought I thought it was also cool how
Speaker 1: they I mean, there's never any thought given to to
Speaker 1: this not working, uh, this crazy idea against all odds,
Speaker 1: even making it to where they're trying to go, which
Speaker 1: is sort of I guess near what would be Afghanistan today,
Speaker 1: through the you know, through the mountains in the winter,
Speaker 1: and like can they even get there? And their attitude
Speaker 1: is just so casual about the whole thing. And he's
Speaker 1: got that other great line when Chris for plumbers Kipling
Speaker 1: is telling him kind of the story of Alexander the
Speaker 1: Great is the last like white man who had been there,
Speaker 1: uh and left, and he said Alexander the Great, Well,
Speaker 1: if a Greek can do it, we can do it.
Speaker 1: And I love the idea that it seems like he
Speaker 1: had never heard of Alexio the Great. No, Yeah, it
Speaker 1: definitely that kind of came across. I love the setting
Speaker 1: to there's something about I think being a kid raised
Speaker 1: on Raiders of the Lost Dark, and uh, there was
Speaker 1: this great war movie called The Gallipoli with Mel Gibson
Speaker 1: from when I was a kid that I watched on
Speaker 1: HBO a hundred times. There's something about the setting in
Speaker 1: this period of India and these these bazaars that they
Speaker 1: would walk through in these markets that, uh, I just
Speaker 1: it has so much energy, I think, And it was
Speaker 1: one of the things that I loved about Raiders so much.
Speaker 1: This this land where you're a kid from Georgia, like
Speaker 1: it just seems so fantastical and interest. And the movie
Speaker 1: opens with that with just like three or four minutes
Speaker 1: of just life there at this bizarre and it just
Speaker 1: it has to be real footage, right, just of you
Speaker 1: know people, you know, a guy putting the scorpion on
Speaker 1: his tongue and all that, and you're like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: you know these things that um there's a great um
Speaker 1: frans Copa story I think it's called like the Hunger
Speaker 1: Artist or something, where this guy is out where he
Speaker 1: doesn't he's on a like a hunger strike, and people
Speaker 1: are following. People would gather to look at the guy
Speaker 1: as he's in public, like just sitting there, not eating
Speaker 1: for fort like each day to build up, and it
Speaker 1: gets to forty days and and and then people lose
Speaker 1: interest and start drifting away. And it's like, well, is
Speaker 1: it not eating for fifty days more more of an
Speaker 1: accomplishment than not on But the people like, we're bored
Speaker 1: with this, so then they've kind of feeled away. Mh. Well.
Speaker 1: The character of Billy Fish is pretty great. He is
Speaker 1: the I guess sort of soldier who serves as translator
Speaker 1: in the movie, played by said Joffrey uh And one
Speaker 1: of the more fun characters is sort of the third
Speaker 1: leg of of this of this duo who meets his
Speaker 1: I guess kind of tragic end. But he's such a
Speaker 1: fun character in the movie. I think he's so great,
Speaker 1: and I think I think he was like an Indian
Speaker 1: soldier or something who got captured and then um ended
Speaker 1: up just staying there. And so he you know, speaks
Speaker 1: perfect English and he had, you know, has affection for
Speaker 1: these British guys when they show up, and yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think they could have done it without without him
Speaker 1: explaining what's going on or explaining this is the local
Speaker 1: chieftain that you wanted, you know, getting good with or
Speaker 1: take over his thing or what over. He kind of
Speaker 1: guided them along the way. Um, he was a great character.
Speaker 1: I was that actor and other things that I would know.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Man, he looks sort of familiar. Let
Speaker 1: me see, I'm kind of looking now. Of course, he's
Speaker 1: probably one of these guys who was in hundreds of movies.
Speaker 1: I'm looking now. He was in My Beautiful Laundrette, he
Speaker 1: was in Gandhi. Uh, and I'm sure a whole host
Speaker 1: of movies from India. Uh. He's probably like their biggest actor,
Speaker 1: like in history or something in Bollywood. Um. He's got
Speaker 1: one of the great lines too, when he meets them
Speaker 1: sort of early on and they meet Utah, the local
Speaker 1: sort of tribal leader or king, and he says, uh,
Speaker 1: he said, I often tell Utah about Englishman's giving names
Speaker 1: to dogs and taking hats off at the women giving
Speaker 1: names to dogs. That's such a great line, like, and
Speaker 1: I love that. It's such a cool thing of because
Speaker 1: they're going and looking at their customs, like what are
Speaker 1: these people doing and the idea of it of flipping
Speaker 1: it and being like why would you name a dog
Speaker 1: and why would you own? That kind of thing is
Speaker 1: so great of them looking at British customs is crazy,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean it also it does touch
Speaker 1: a little bit on some more uh some deeper pools
Speaker 1: of thought about cultural relativism without really kind of getting
Speaker 1: to self serious. But there, you know, there there is
Speaker 1: this sort of theme that runs through the whole thing
Speaker 1: about these white men coming to a Middle Eastern country
Speaker 1: who they think are savages, imposing their will on them.
Speaker 1: Everything from uh peac trying to train these soldiers in
Speaker 1: the British way and a scene that ends up being
Speaker 1: very funny the one to three just trying to get
Speaker 1: them to march and to these things too, then sort
Speaker 1: of accepting them and working with what they have rather
Speaker 1: than trying to make them British soldiers. That's interesting, the
Speaker 1: statement it makes off and on. That's true. And so
Speaker 1: I think that the those people, they they kind of
Speaker 1: won them over in a way. They they you know,
Speaker 1: I felt like I felt like both Sean Connery and
Speaker 1: Michael Kaine's character really kind of had affection for these
Speaker 1: people towards the end, you know, oh for sure. I
Speaker 1: mean that's the whole sort of hook of that third
Speaker 1: act is when it comes time to split with the
Speaker 1: Gold they have that four months left until the spring thaw,
Speaker 1: I guess, and you kind of see it coming that
Speaker 1: Sean Connery is bought in and he likes being king.
Speaker 1: He likes being king, and he's like, hey, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I feel like he's got like a he feels like
Speaker 1: he's the father to these people or something in a way,
Speaker 1: and and doesn't want to leave them, you know, wants
Speaker 1: to marry one of their women and stay there. And um, yes,
Speaker 1: it is. There is sort of a maturation on them
Speaker 1: their in a way, I think from where they start out,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean there's that great scene where he's, uh,
Speaker 1: he's sort of playing judge and settling disputes between local tribes,
Speaker 1: and it's sort of in that moment I think where
Speaker 1: he really turns and and feels like, you know, there's
Speaker 1: a better way that you should be doing things, that
Speaker 1: is more fair, more equitable. Um, but it doesn't feel
Speaker 1: like forcing the Western way on these people. It feels
Speaker 1: more like, hey, you'd be smarter if you sort of
Speaker 1: did these things in a and your tribe would be
Speaker 1: better for it, right, right. And that's such a funny
Speaker 1: thing where there's you know, the guy's wife there's a
Speaker 1: rule of wife sleeps with If you sleep with someone
Speaker 1: else's wife, you have to give the guy five goats
Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, so he would on his wife out, yeah,
Speaker 1: and never sleep with these guys. And now he's got
Speaker 1: like forty ghosts because he's pimping his wife, you know.
Speaker 1: And he's like, yeah, you know. That's and the way
Speaker 1: that Sean Parney is like wait, wait, he's taking a
Speaker 1: good law and twisting it around. And then he makes
Speaker 1: the guy's wife sleep with excellent number of guys to
Speaker 1: pay off the debt or whatever. Um, it's really funny. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: and that's when he starts taking it seriously and you
Speaker 1: sort of see the switch when and I think Houston
Speaker 1: played it totally correct. I think if it were made today,
Speaker 1: it would be way more of a sinister feeling of
Speaker 1: like when he asked Peach to start like, I think
Speaker 1: you should start bowing when I come in, just to
Speaker 1: sort of, you know, keep up appearances. And and Michael
Speaker 1: Caine sort of gives him that side. I like, he's
Speaker 1: really buying into this. And when he talks about destiny,
Speaker 1: it was his destiny. I think Houston hit the right
Speaker 1: tone there. And today that would be way melodramatic and
Speaker 1: even sinister. Yes, yes, absolutely, and yes, and I think
Speaker 1: that beast some more. It would be more heavy handed
Speaker 1: where they're that are that racism that they come in
Speaker 1: with or is something? And I think, you know, I
Speaker 1: think this really it's the subtlety of the film. I
Speaker 1: really like, you know, yeah, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: I mean, you've got two of the bigger actors of
Speaker 1: the day. And uh and I did see I read
Speaker 1: Pauline Kale's review from six is really really great, super
Speaker 1: long review, and she kind of makes that same point
Speaker 1: you do, with the subtlety and how John Houston feels
Speaker 1: content to just sort of sit back and let let
Speaker 1: it happen rather than try and force too many things
Speaker 1: to happen, right, right, And and it is an adventure story,
Speaker 1: and it is the kind of thing of the fact
Speaker 1: that they are these ordinary guys. Yeah, and they're gonna
Speaker 1: go try to take over, and they've got this big plan.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's such a cool adventure that you
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, I mean, he's he refers to himself.
Speaker 1: I can't remember the king's name. Uh, I can't remember
Speaker 1: the name, but it's you know, very sort of regal,
Speaker 1: sort of Middle Eastern name uh. And I think it's
Speaker 1: very key that there their names are Danny and Peachy,
Speaker 1: uh and not like Richard and James, because every time
Speaker 1: you started to start to buy into this thing, Michael
Speaker 1: Caine comes in with that Cockney accent and calls him
Speaker 1: Dan Danny, and he gets called Peache in return, and
Speaker 1: it's sort of this constant reminder to them and to
Speaker 1: the audience I think of who these guys are. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I love when you know, in the beginning, before
Speaker 1: they go, before they leave in their adventure, they get
Speaker 1: caught and they get in trouble and the local official
Speaker 1: calls them detriments or whatever, right right, you know, and
Speaker 1: then um, they was saying we decided to leave the country,
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, and the Kipling characters like, I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure you were asked, right. There's such a great
Speaker 1: comic duo that the one part where you know they're
Speaker 1: not supposed to be womanizing, and the naked temptress comes
Speaker 1: in and disrobes in front of Peachy and he's just
Speaker 1: sort of babbling about like, you know, not supposed to
Speaker 1: be doing this, and then Sean Connery comes In Danny
Speaker 1: comes in and immediately puts an into it and Michael
Speaker 1: Caine's line is, Danny, thank god you arrived. But by
Speaker 1: all accounts, they do stay. I guess cell of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, they don't break that contract it seems like,
Speaker 1: and it does seem and they don't drink, and you
Speaker 1: get the feeling that these guys this is like a
Speaker 1: big departure for these guys of what they past, you know, well,
Speaker 1: and their success follows because they do succeed and kind
Speaker 1: of most everything they do um and you actually get
Speaker 1: sort of sad when you know they're gonna split up
Speaker 1: in and Peach is like, I'm leaving and Danny says
Speaker 1: I'm not, and uh he tries to talk him into it,
Speaker 1: but you you know that it can it's not going
Speaker 1: to end well. At that point, I think, well, I
Speaker 1: also have I I love British actors, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel like they're they're always seem to be classically trained,
Speaker 1: and there so many of our American actors are sort
Speaker 1: of personality actors, you know what I mean, Like like
Speaker 1: I love Bruce Willis, but he's Bruce Willis in every
Speaker 1: movie and he's just kind of being Bruce Willis, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And these guys that they really
Speaker 1: they know they're craft so well, Um, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I always I just think they're great, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and boy Connery was just there's one of the lines
Speaker 1: from pollin Kale which you should you probably appreciate, is uh.
Speaker 1: She talks about his lack of hairpiece, which I guess
Speaker 1: he wore a lot back then. She says, Connery plays
Speaker 1: this role without his usual hairpieces and undisguised and bare domed.
Speaker 1: He seems larger, more free. If baldness ever needed redeeming,
Speaker 1: he's done it for all time. Well, I'm sure that
Speaker 1: part of my me going, wait, you can be a
Speaker 1: leading man as a bald guy. This this is the
Speaker 1: greatest movie I've ever seen. Well Connery, Bruce Willis, you
Speaker 1: know there was a famous story when he was a
Speaker 1: young man where he somebody recommended him to Hitchcock to star,
Speaker 1: and was it, Martie, there's some Hitchcock movie that you know.
Speaker 1: So somebody recommended him to Hitchcock. And the two guys
Speaker 1: are in the meeting, and the guys like, oh here
Speaker 1: he comes now. And Hitchcock looks out the window and
Speaker 1: sees Connie walking down the street and goes, yeah, he'll
Speaker 1: do and you know, he's so charismatic, this handsome, but
Speaker 1: I just loved it. It's just just seeing him walk
Speaker 1: down the street. Gop. Okay, yeah, let's put this guy
Speaker 1: in my movie. You know, let's let him say. Of course, well,
Speaker 1: he just had that gravity toss and uh absolutely, it
Speaker 1: was so sad. I mean we lost him just just
Speaker 1: last to your right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was such
Speaker 1: a big loss. He had such graviy toss. And in
Speaker 1: this movie, you know, he's clearly going to be the one.
Speaker 1: He takes that arrow in that first battle, which becomes
Speaker 1: sort of they event eventually give him a golden air.
Speaker 1: It becomes sort of his riding crop that he carries
Speaker 1: around or a scepter, and they really fall into their roles.
Speaker 1: Like my appeaci is it seems content to slide in
Speaker 1: there is the number two because in his mind he's
Speaker 1: they're just biding their time until they can get out
Speaker 1: of there. But Connery buys into it. It's a really
Speaker 1: interesting thing it does, and it's just it's just another
Speaker 1: one of their scams, but it's just a bigger one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, um, but you did feel like but you
Speaker 1: do feel like those actors. I don't know if they personally,
Speaker 1: they just they just seem to like it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you believe their friendships so much,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if what they were like personally together,
Speaker 1: but um, you know, my friend always talks about in
Speaker 1: that You've got mail where it's Tom Tom Hanks and
Speaker 1: um Dave Chappelle are best friends, and it's like they
Speaker 1: have three years apart, like talking about you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a pretty odd pairing. These two seem like
Speaker 1: like it would really break my heart if I read
Speaker 1: that behind the scenes Connery and Kane hated each other
Speaker 1: or something like that. I agree, I agree, you really
Speaker 1: want that thing of no, no, no, they they had
Speaker 1: this bond or something. You know, I know that at
Speaker 1: some point who else was it? It was Peter O'Toole, God,
Speaker 1: I want to say Laurence Olivier were also. I know
Speaker 1: it was Peter O'Toole and I can't remember the other.
Speaker 1: But we're also kind of cast as the two leads
Speaker 1: after Gable and bog Art. But I don't know, it
Speaker 1: just feels like it was meant to be with these guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about these other these other attempts or whatever,
Speaker 1: but um, yeah, and this is one I'm so glad
Speaker 1: because there are movies that I loved when I was young,
Speaker 1: and then I watched now and go, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I was a more yea. Um, but I I love
Speaker 1: it when a movie holds up and you're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what this is. Uh, this is still great,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, it definitely holds up. And I think
Speaker 1: as you get older, they are probably other things you
Speaker 1: can read into it. Lessons about greed and uh, like
Speaker 1: I mentioned before, cultural relativism and um, colonialism, you know,
Speaker 1: being the conquering white men in pith helmets probably would
Speaker 1: have been lost on me as a my young twenties.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, But I do think there are certain things
Speaker 1: that work on different levels. And there are things that
Speaker 1: I didn't think about when I saw in my young
Speaker 1: twenties that I think about now. But I could still
Speaker 1: appreciate it then and now too, you know, yeah, yeah absolutely.
Speaker 1: And then that ending, you know, the inevitable conclusion, you know,
Speaker 1: you know it's over when he in the wedding scene
Speaker 1: he bleeds and they're like, you're not a god. And
Speaker 1: he's sort of delusional at that point that he can
Speaker 1: sort of keep his rain going in the in the
Speaker 1: face of being found out. Um. Hard not to kind
Speaker 1: of think about what's going on in the news these
Speaker 1: days about the delusional king. But Michael Caine is by
Speaker 1: his side, is like the jig is up made, like
Speaker 1: like we gotta get out of here. And they start
Speaker 1: closing in on them, and you know, they have a
Speaker 1: handful of guns. But when you have seven guys coming out,
Speaker 1: you're with Rocks, You're dead absolutely. And that's also he's
Speaker 1: the same line is in the story where he goes
Speaker 1: the slut bit me and it's like, you know, you're
Speaker 1: marrying this virgin whatever. I don't think she's a slut.
Speaker 1: I don't know what. No, that was a weird line.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're forcing yourself on this woman. She's scared
Speaker 1: to death of you because she thinks, uh, sleeping with
Speaker 1: a god will kill her. Um, that's Michael Caine's wife.
Speaker 1: And I was shocked to see that was the line
Speaker 1: in the story. I'm like, wow, I didn't know that
Speaker 1: word was around back then. Yeah. No, me, neither neither.
Speaker 1: And it was completely inappropriately Yeah. Uh shocking amount of
Speaker 1: um or a lack of blood and there. You know,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of big fight scenes, but you know,
Speaker 1: like I said, would be way bloodier today and more
Speaker 1: sort of gory and in your face. There are a
Speaker 1: lot of battle scenes, but you just see sort of
Speaker 1: swinging of swords and things. Uh, you don't actually see anyone,
Speaker 1: you know. It's a pretty tame movie. Yes, yes, And
Speaker 1: it do feel like the battle scenes seem sort of
Speaker 1: oddly realistic in terms of what like a primitive battle
Speaker 1: would have looked like a thousand years ago or something.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Uh. And that that
Speaker 1: bridge scene at the end is just brutal. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys they know it's over. And for a movie
Speaker 1: that sort of danced on the lines of comic leaf
Speaker 1: all throughout, it has a really heavy ending. Do you know,
Speaker 1: a man going to his noble death and singing that song.
Speaker 1: It's just and like waiting as they chopped that rope
Speaker 1: bridge down and yet carry up, you know. And yeah, god,
Speaker 1: it was just it was brutal to watch that fall,
Speaker 1: that endless fall that he has. It's like it looked
Speaker 1: really real. Yeah, yeah, I'm so glad that that you
Speaker 1: watched it and we got to talk about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great. Um, you know, Peach ending up crucified it.
Speaker 1: Coming back around to the explanation of why he looked
Speaker 1: the way he did. It was just tough. Man. I
Speaker 1: didn't expect it to end on in such a brutal way. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was almost like the inevitable ending though. You know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so, uh great movie. Man, It's been on
Speaker 1: my list forever. It's uh, you know, every review I
Speaker 1: read from back then it was just are stars. I
Speaker 1: think you got four Academy Award nominations. Some of the
Speaker 1: legends of the business worked on it. The great Edith
Speaker 1: Head did the costuming, and um, I think I don't
Speaker 1: think anyone won the Academy Wear but she was certainly
Speaker 1: nominated along with John Houston. I mean the fact that
Speaker 1: I know her name and she's a costume design I
Speaker 1: was like, you have to a certain you know, foot
Speaker 1: level do you have to get at? But she's a
Speaker 1: household name, you know, she must have been amazing. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I remember when I worked as a p A in
Speaker 1: l a um at the Universal Building. I would do
Speaker 1: a lot of costumer runs and the wardrobe building was
Speaker 1: the Edith Head Building, and so that's why I always
Speaker 1: knew her name. It was like, you get the Universal
Speaker 1: Costumer department is named after you, then your your legend.
Speaker 1: Well good stuff, man, thanks for coming on. Oh thanks
Speaker 1: so much for having me it so uh, it's I'm
Speaker 1: honored to be part of this. Yeah. I wish we
Speaker 1: could have done it in person, and we we've talked
Speaker 1: about it for a long time about when on my
Speaker 1: one of my l A trips, but it kind of
Speaker 1: got to the point with the lockdown where I was
Speaker 1: just like, we just need to get you on here
Speaker 1: anyway we can. You can't do anything in person these days.
Speaker 1: So I know, I talked to my kids over zoom
Speaker 1: and they're living at home, So all right, thanks Brian Kylie.
Speaker 1: And where can people follow you on Twitter and anything
Speaker 1: else you want to? I'm at Kylie Noodles. Conan calls
Speaker 1: me Noodles, so that's where that And then I'm on
Speaker 1: Instagram at Brian Kylie Comics. Oh cool. I just got
Speaker 1: on Instagram semi recently, so well, I'm pretty new to
Speaker 1: it to Actually, my daughter is like, what that's not
Speaker 1: a post that should be part of your story? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Emily tells me that stuff too. I don't know the difference,
Speaker 1: all right, Thanks Brian, all right, buddy, thank you so much. Okay, everyone,
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed that as much as I did.
Speaker 1: It was great to hook up with Brian. It was
Speaker 1: fun to pick his brain about comedy and writing jokes
Speaker 1: and what that's like and being a joke machine. Pretty
Speaker 1: astounding and a very cool job that he's done exceptionally
Speaker 1: well for many, many years. One of the best in
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