Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to
Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guest cult nost You've been
Speaker 1: seeing him on CBS. He's got his podcast subpar and
Speaker 1: he's someone I've known for a long time, one of
Speaker 1: the good guys on on the PGA Tour. I think
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he's become so successful and
Speaker 1: become a fan favorite and has people that hate on
Speaker 1: him on social media's because Colt is cult. If you
Speaker 1: like him, that's okay. If you don't like him, he
Speaker 1: doesn't care either. He's going to be who he is.
Speaker 1: But someone who I really respect, not only as a broadcaster,
Speaker 1: but Colt was a hell of a player. Didn't have
Speaker 1: the big wins on the PGA Tour, obviously that I
Speaker 1: think he would have wanted, but an unbelievable amateur career,
Speaker 1: and you know, certainly someone that I think is going
Speaker 1: to be around in the game of golf on the
Speaker 1: airwaves at CBS for a very very long time time.
Speaker 1: When I decided to do the podcast, he was somebody
Speaker 1: that I always wanted to get on and we talked
Speaker 1: about it at the US Open out in LA I said, hey,
Speaker 1: will you come on we we are are stars aligned
Speaker 1: and our dates aligned. So I'm really excited. I think
Speaker 1: it's a great one. Lots of good things to say.
Speaker 1: Cult Ghost Enjoy Colts joins the Son of a Books podcast.
Speaker 1: I've never been on your podcast subpar so I wanted
Speaker 1: to get you on mine first. Cult. With all the craziness,
Speaker 1: we just craziness in golf. We just had the third major.
Speaker 1: I figured who best to make sense of all this
Speaker 1: craziness than you.
Speaker 2: Well, first off, it was great to catch up with
Speaker 2: you out at the US Open. Got to spend some
Speaker 2: time with you and Dustin and AJ and Wink and
Speaker 2: I miss you guys obviously. I know you start working
Speaker 2: with some of the tour guys, but it's just not
Speaker 2: the same. I always are some of my favorite people
Speaker 2: to catch up with when we're on the range out there.
Speaker 2: That was a blast out in LA.
Speaker 1: You mentioned Dustin Johnson. I went through. He was on
Speaker 1: your Walker Cup team in two thousand and seven. You
Speaker 1: guys won against Roy McElroy, Danny Willett, Royal County down
Speaker 1: one of the iconic I'm just gonna go through the
Speaker 1: list of the names on your Walker Cup team, Ricky
Speaker 1: Fowler Billy Horschel, Dustin Johnson, Chris Kirk, Trip Keney, Jamie Lovemark,
Speaker 1: Jonathan Moore, Websins, and Kyle Stanley. That was a stacked,
Speaker 1: stacked Walker Cup team.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so much fun. You know, we had
Speaker 2: won over there and quite some time, so heading over there,
Speaker 2: I had never been over there and played golf, was
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. And you know, to put on
Speaker 2: the red, white and blue. I don't care what level
Speaker 2: you're at, it's something really special. And you know, to
Speaker 2: play alternate shot with your guy Dustin Johnson. Both days.
Speaker 2: We had so much fun out there. Man, he is
Speaker 2: one of the biggest characters. I'll tell you a quick
Speaker 2: story about your guy, Dustin. The first team on Saturday,
Speaker 2: the first matchup, we're playing Roy mcelroana kid Jonathan Caldwell
Speaker 2: from Northern Ireland, Royal County down. Obviously Rory's the man
Speaker 2: over there, and all the galleries following our our group
Speaker 2: and you know, they announced the matchup and Dustin. We
Speaker 2: decided Dustin's gonna hit off the odds and they say
Speaker 2: now representing Team USA. Dustin washed Johnson. He hit it
Speaker 2: before they finished saying his name, and I just started laughing,
Speaker 2: I go, what was that? He goes, bro, I'm so nervous.
Speaker 2: I had to get that over with. He hit it
Speaker 2: four hundred yards off the first team. It was up
Speaker 2: that I'll never forget, I laugh, go down the fairway
Speaker 2: the entire time.
Speaker 1: Obviously, Colt. A lot of those players went on to
Speaker 1: do some amazing things, win major championships. Jamie Lovemark was
Speaker 1: supposed to be the next big superstar. But back then,
Speaker 1: I mean, you you were coming, You were part of
Speaker 1: that crew. You won the publics that summer, you won
Speaker 1: the US AM so you guys a lot of fanfare.
Speaker 1: Everybody knew that that was a pretty stacked, stacked group.
Speaker 1: Who did you think out of your crew on that team,
Speaker 1: who did you think going to be the superstar?
Speaker 2: Back then? I think we all agreed and it was
Speaker 2: it was Dustin. I mean not to continue just talking
Speaker 2: about him, but you could just see the natural, raw talent, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, he hit it nine miles, He had no fear.
Speaker 2: I mean, once he figured out how to dial in
Speaker 2: the wedge game, he had all the tools to be
Speaker 2: a monster at the next level. And yeah, it was
Speaker 2: it was him. I mean, Buddy Marouchi and I Remember
Speaker 2: we were sitting down one day just talking about it, like,
Speaker 2: when this kid figures it out, he's going to be
Speaker 2: a problem in professional golf. And he sure was there
Speaker 2: still is.
Speaker 1: Rory McRoy was part of that crew back then. What
Speaker 1: was Rory like as an amateur? I mean how old?
Speaker 1: I mean Rory was young then.
Speaker 2: He was eighteen. Yeah, coming off that awesome finish at Carnoustie.
Speaker 2: I think in the Open Championship he was with Some
Speaker 2: pictures came out last week at the US Open of
Speaker 2: him and Ricky was he was a chubby Rory. Things
Speaker 2: have changed quite a bit. The oh yeah, I had
Speaker 2: some terrible curly hair, which I like to give him
Speaker 2: a hard time about. But he was still he's He's
Speaker 2: just like Rory is now nice. You could see had
Speaker 2: so much talent. Playing against him in that first match
Speaker 2: was a lot of fun. I mean, Dustin was just
Speaker 2: shipping it by him because he ted off on the
Speaker 2: odds as well. But you could see he had all
Speaker 2: the game. Now, did I think he was gonna do
Speaker 2: what he's done in the game of golf. No, So
Speaker 2: that was a little bit of surprise. But it's going
Speaker 2: to look back and see that you know, I've known
Speaker 2: these guys since two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: What do you think separates You know, there have been
Speaker 1: a lot of people that have played on Walker Cups, Colt,
Speaker 1: I mean you were part of that crew. I mean,
Speaker 1: what do you think separates the guys that come from
Speaker 1: that and then go on to do really, really great things.
Speaker 1: Is there a common theme? I mean, obviously Rory won
Speaker 1: a major, Danny Willett won a major, DJ Web Simpson,
Speaker 1: They've all won majors. What do you think is a
Speaker 1: common denominator that all of you guys had that helped
Speaker 1: you get to that next level? Because I think so
Speaker 1: many people listen to this that are trying to play,
Speaker 1: Like they listened to your pod as well, They're trying
Speaker 1: to play. They're trying to get to that next level.
Speaker 1: And you know, professional golf is littered with super I mean,
Speaker 1: a great one I saw last week who I see
Speaker 1: every now and again, Rugiyamada. Trevor Immelman, who you work
Speaker 1: with at CBS, always says Rugiyamada when they were juniors,
Speaker 1: was Lebron James. He was just an absolute superstar. I
Speaker 1: mean so much talent, won everything. He didn't translate into
Speaker 1: a superstar career. Is there anything that you've seen that
Speaker 1: it's been a common theme of all these players that
Speaker 1: have made it and gotten to the show.
Speaker 2: Well, like all of them have great physical talent. It's
Speaker 2: just whether or not they believe in it. And guys
Speaker 2: like Dustin, guys like Rory, I mean, they have that
Speaker 2: self belief they have. I mean it's it's cockiness, let's
Speaker 2: be honest, and it's not. They don't express it outwardly,
Speaker 2: but inside they know they're the best. They belong and
Speaker 2: professional golf is just a different level for me. When
Speaker 2: I finally got out there, it's like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: there's Phil Micholson, There's Tiger Woods, you know, there's these
Speaker 2: great Davis Love the Third. I'm like, holy shit, I've
Speaker 2: actually I've made it. This is incredible, and it's it
Speaker 2: kind of it takes you. Not everybody gets comfortable immediately immediately,
Speaker 2: like a Dustin Johnson, a Justin Thomas at Jordan' speeth,
Speaker 2: it takes a while. Like Matt Coocher is in a
Speaker 2: great example. He's had an unbelievable career, but it took
Speaker 2: him a long time to get out there on the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour and finally get it done. So I think
Speaker 2: the self belief is such a huge thing because we
Speaker 2: don't I don't think we realize how lucky we are
Speaker 2: to see a guy like Dustin Johnson, Roy McRoy, Jordan
Speaker 2: Spied come right out of college and just have a
Speaker 2: major impact on the PGA Tour. There's not many of
Speaker 2: those because it's there's some learning curves involved.
Speaker 1: You talk about confidence and cockiness. Wyndam Clark, who I
Speaker 1: know you're boys with. He lives in Scottsdale. I think
Speaker 1: one of the best things about Wyndham is he has
Speaker 1: always thought he belonged he was. He always has thought
Speaker 1: that this is right where he should be. Nobody is
Speaker 1: less surprised that he won a major championship than Wyndam Clark.
Speaker 1: The confidence and I think that is a is a huge,
Speaker 1: huge part of what makes him a great player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his his sports, like I mean, that's
Speaker 2: what she was preaching to him all week was you know,
Speaker 2: play cocky. You know the crowd's not on your side.
Speaker 2: With the guys like Dustin. He was in the final
Speaker 2: group with Ricky Fowler and then the next to last
Speaker 2: groups Rory Macroy and Scotti Scheffler. I mean, Wyndam was
Speaker 2: hardly talked about heading into the end of the weekend
Speaker 2: out there. Here's a guy had one PGA Tour event
Speaker 2: and that just recently happened. But Wyndham was a guy
Speaker 2: who was really hard on himself throughout his career, and
Speaker 2: he expected so much of himself, like you said, And
Speaker 2: Juliaelion has done some awesome work with him to get
Speaker 2: him to calm down, relax his caddy John Ellis. But
Speaker 2: he's one of those guys. You know, everyone on the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour, everyone in professional golf can hit it. You
Speaker 2: walk up down the range, you're like, good, good, good.
Speaker 2: Wyndham's got a little different sound to it. I mean,
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety mile an hour ball speech, so
Speaker 2: different everything. Yeah, and that's that's that's special. There's only
Speaker 2: a handful of guys, I would say, for you and
Speaker 2: I when we walk up and down the range with
Speaker 2: out there every week, that you're like, Okay, that's that's
Speaker 2: different right there.
Speaker 1: Why do you think it took him a little longer
Speaker 1: than he probably thought it would take.
Speaker 2: He was one of those guys, like you said, he
Speaker 2: believed in himself, but he also if one thing went bad,
Speaker 2: it was game over. He would absolutely lose it. And
Speaker 2: I mean it took basically what his team calls it,
Speaker 2: a little bit of an intervention. They sat him down, like,
Speaker 2: all right, if you want to continue, if you want
Speaker 2: to be as good as you can, then we got
Speaker 2: to change some things. And they did, and he's become
Speaker 2: his own best friend. Now. His caddie, John Allis, does
Speaker 2: an awesome job. I love. I hate having to lay
Speaker 2: out when the players and caddies talk because that takes
Speaker 2: away from my time talking. But when John Allis gets
Speaker 2: in there, it's really good.
Speaker 1: What do you think having a play a guy on
Speaker 1: your bag, because obviously you played, does it help to
Speaker 1: have someone on your bag that has played in major championships,
Speaker 1: that is played on tour that was a good, good,
Speaker 1: good good player. Do you think that helps? Because obviously
Speaker 1: there's two ends of the spectrum. There's a lot of
Speaker 1: caddies that are great caddies that weren't superstar players. But
Speaker 1: what do you think having someone that is in there
Speaker 1: before down the streets. I mean, I think that's one
Speaker 1: of the reasons why my dad has been so successful
Speaker 1: with players, because players know he played the PGA Tour.
Speaker 1: He kept his card. He won even though it was
Speaker 1: a one day event back when the PGA Tour had
Speaker 1: one day's event, but she won one. He qualified for
Speaker 1: US Opens. He played him. What does that bring as
Speaker 1: a player when you have someone like that on the bag.
Speaker 2: It's it's hard. I think it's so different for everyone, right,
Speaker 2: Like I just I think people need somebody that makes
Speaker 2: them comfortable in these really stressful moments. And once again,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go use Dustin a lot as an example
Speaker 2: because he's a freak. But Austin Johnson, he's never teaed
Speaker 2: it up on PGA Tour, but he keeps Dustin so relaxed,
Speaker 2: so calm. He knows exactly what Dustin's thinking at all times.
Speaker 2: He knows what he needs to say. Now, John ellis
Speaker 2: great player, never made it. He's probably one of the
Speaker 2: best players I've ever seen that never made it out
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour. So yeah, there's not many major
Speaker 2: championship that are caddies now, so it's hard for them
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, hey, when I did this, But yeah,
Speaker 2: I think it helps to know, like, Okay, my guy
Speaker 2: when he gets nervous, like all of us, we get
Speaker 2: going a lot faster. We get walking a lot faster.
Speaker 2: I thought one of the best things I've heard from
Speaker 2: a caddy was Joe s govern when he was with
Speaker 2: Ricky Fowler. Ricky used to get to walking really really
Speaker 2: fast when coming down the stretch, and they had a
Speaker 2: rule that Ricky was never allowed to walk in front
Speaker 2: of Joe. That was Joe's way of slowing him down.
Speaker 2: And I was like, that's some of the best advice
Speaker 2: I've heard from a caddy. Just a little trigger to say, Okay, hey,
Speaker 2: you're going a little quick. You know the rule you
Speaker 2: can't cross in front of this bag rid here.
Speaker 1: My dad, it it's funny that you mentioned that back
Speaker 1: in the day. I remember Tiger when he first came
Speaker 1: out on tour. He was leading a tournament. I think
Speaker 1: it was one of the bigger tournaments that he had
Speaker 1: a chance to win, and my dad, Butch, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: do everything from the time you wake up today, do
Speaker 1: everything slower. Get dressed slower, so give yourself more time.
Speaker 1: Eat your breakfast slower, warm up slower, walk slower, because
Speaker 1: you're going to want to get to the first team.
Speaker 1: You're gonna want to get down there and get everything going,
Speaker 1: and I think that is fantastic. But Colt, how what
Speaker 1: does it feel like? I mean, I've never played, you played,
Speaker 1: What does it feel like when you're Because I know
Speaker 1: what it's like when I'm watching you know, the guys
Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to work with. You know, Brooks just
Speaker 1: won a major championship. I know what it's like for
Speaker 1: me when I'm watching that, and I'm nervous. And I
Speaker 1: have no idea how people like yourself and everybody else
Speaker 1: that has played professional. I don't know how you guys
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It is fascinating to me how you somehow are able
Speaker 1: to get your brain to let your body do what
Speaker 1: it's doing. But when you are in that situation, Colton,
Speaker 1: you've won tournaments before, you won, you know, one of
Speaker 1: the biggest amateur tournaments, you've won on the nationwide. When
Speaker 1: you're in that pressure situation, what does it feel like?
Speaker 2: It feels like you're about to puke at all times?
Speaker 2: It is, It's it's awesome, slash awful. Like you hate
Speaker 2: the feeling because I mean, you know, it's no fun
Speaker 2: to puke. But at the same time, you know, this
Speaker 2: is what I worked my entire life for is to
Speaker 2: get in this moment and have a chance to win.
Speaker 2: But you're a one hundred percent right, everything gets going
Speaker 2: so fast, Like I mean, if you're a guy that
Speaker 2: warms up for forty five minutes, you go through your
Speaker 2: warm up and you look, you're like, okay, stuff. Thirty left,
Speaker 2: I thought I was almost done. Like it is. Just
Speaker 2: it's so hard to because even though it is Sunday
Speaker 2: and every stroke counts the same throughout the whole week,
Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like Thursday. I mean, it takes that
Speaker 2: morning leading up to when you're in contention takes so long.
Speaker 2: Like for those guys on Saturday that teed off after
Speaker 2: three point thirty in the afternoon at the US Open,
Speaker 2: like I would have lost my mind. I would have
Speaker 2: been up at seven because I couldn't sleep because I
Speaker 2: was so nervous, breakfast, try to go back to sleep,
Speaker 2: maybe watch some coverage. It would have felt like an eternity.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's some guys that are really good
Speaker 2: at it, and that's that's why the best in the world.
Speaker 2: It's incredible for me to watch them coming down the
Speaker 2: stretch at tournaments and how they control they're adrenaline because
Speaker 2: the ball goes so far when you're when you're amped up,
Speaker 2: and to come come there and you're, you know, seventeen
Speaker 2: at Sawgrass and I know it's a short shot, but
Speaker 2: your heart's beating a million miles an hour and you've
Speaker 2: got to hit it on this little target and you
Speaker 2: know the history. I want to be one of those
Speaker 2: guys that makes this massive number or hits it in
Speaker 2: the water on Sunday and loses the championship. It takes.
Speaker 2: That's why these guys are so great. I use Justin
Speaker 2: Thomas as you know, it's a shot that never gets
Speaker 2: talked about. But if you go back to the PGA
Speaker 2: Championship at Tulsa the year before last, they go to
Speaker 2: the playoff, first hole is a part five. He was
Speaker 2: forced to lay up. He had seventy two yards off
Speaker 2: a downslope to a rock hard green and he just
Speaker 2: took this long, beautiful slow swing, controlled it in there,
Speaker 2: put some zip on it, and hit it's like six
Speaker 2: feet And I was like, that was very impressive, and
Speaker 2: people don't realize how good that was because he could
Speaker 2: easily just gas that one over the bunker and probably
Speaker 2: been tournament over.
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Speaker 1: in your new role as on course for CBS, which
Speaker 1: I think you're doing a great job. One of the
Speaker 1: things I think you're doing a great job with Cold
Speaker 1: is because you're part of this modern generation, and you're
Speaker 1: part of this new generation. I think you and Trevor
Speaker 1: and Amanda, you guys, there's some new blood in television now.
Speaker 1: And one of the things I like if if Roy
Speaker 1: mcroy's come down stretch and he's on seventeen and he's
Speaker 1: got one hundred and eighty five yards and he pulls
Speaker 1: out a six iron, which everybody is thinking on TV,
Speaker 1: You're gonna think there's gotta be something wrong. You expect
Speaker 1: him from that distance because of the adrenaline, because of
Speaker 1: how far he's hitting it. You expect him I mean,
Speaker 1: nine iron, and it wouldn't surprise you from that at
Speaker 1: that time of the tournament if he tried to nuke
Speaker 1: a wedge from one eighty five either.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hilarious when my man Parker gives me
Speaker 2: the signal of what club it is sometimes and I
Speaker 2: just start laughing. I'm like, these guys, they hit it
Speaker 2: so far. But it first off, walking with these guys
Speaker 2: weekend and week out made me realize I definitely made
Speaker 2: the right decision to quit, because you know, I'm not
Speaker 2: walking with the grinders out there that are grinding to
Speaker 2: make the cut every week. I'm walking with the best
Speaker 2: in the world and the guys that are on their
Speaker 2: game every weekend, and they're just so good. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's so hard to explain. I mean, they make it
Speaker 2: look like a video game out there. They hit it
Speaker 2: nine miles, they hit their irons to the moon and
Speaker 2: get them to land so soft, and then they get
Speaker 2: it up and down from I mean, like what Wyndam
Speaker 2: Clark getting up and down on eleven like he did,
Speaker 2: Like that was just insane, even the one I'm crazy,
Speaker 2: the one on seventeen was pretty straightforward, but in the circumstances,
Speaker 2: that was unbelievable. And then they make everything they need to.
Speaker 2: So it's uh man, I feel so lucky just to
Speaker 2: be out there still walking with the guys. And like
Speaker 2: you said, I have a great relationship with ninety nine
Speaker 2: percent of the guys in professional golf, and so you know,
Speaker 2: they let me in. We have a lot of fun
Speaker 2: out there still and it's just I'm so lucky to
Speaker 2: still get to be out there every week.
Speaker 1: You're year two into your role on course, with everything
Speaker 1: that you've seen over almost the last year and a half,
Speaker 1: if you could take what you've learned and then go
Speaker 1: back to your professional career and start with the information
Speaker 1: that you've seen from the best of the best under
Speaker 1: the gone in the last year and a half, do
Speaker 1: you think it would change the way you play golf?
Speaker 2: You know, I it's a good question, like would I
Speaker 2: go back and get in the gym and do all
Speaker 2: the speed training and try to hit it a lot farther? Probably,
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's just not me. Like I hit
Speaker 2: it extremely straight, but I was extremely short, and those
Speaker 2: guys just really there's no place for them a professional
Speaker 2: golf anymore. There's very few that still make it. So No,
Speaker 2: and honestly, I don't want to. I think this is
Speaker 2: what I was meant to do. I've never been happier,
Speaker 2: I've never been less stressed, and people, for the most part,
Speaker 2: there are obviously a lot of haters out there. I'm
Speaker 2: not for everyone, but for the most part, people seem
Speaker 2: to enjoy listening to me.
Speaker 1: What's been the hard what's been surprising to you because
Speaker 1: I've done TV. They put me on course twice when
Speaker 1: I did TV for Sky, and I was terrible at it.
Speaker 1: I did some commentary for Sky last week. By the
Speaker 1: weekend I felt like I was getting better. But one
Speaker 1: of the things I always would surprises me whenever you
Speaker 1: do TV is when you're watching and the abuse that
Speaker 1: you get is everybody says, shut up, quit talking, you're
Speaker 1: talking too much. But when you're actually doing TV, it's
Speaker 1: amazing how little time you really have to say anything.
Speaker 2: Oh it's unbelievable. I was, especially as an encourse guy,
Speaker 2: because I mean they throw it down there. You get
Speaker 2: to give information and then boom, it's onto the next shot.
Speaker 2: But at the same time they're like, oh, tell us
Speaker 2: a story. I'm like, well, I can't tell a story
Speaker 2: in five six seconds, but yeah you. And one thing
Speaker 2: I have noticed is a lot more people chime in
Speaker 2: on social media. Some good, but you do recognize the positive.
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people out there that shut up,
Speaker 2: I'm the worst thing they've ever heard on TV. That's fine,
Speaker 2: that's their opinion. Hit the mute button. But you mentioned like,
Speaker 2: you don't realize how fast it goes. I did the
Speaker 2: serious XM coverage at the US Open, and I was
Speaker 2: the lead analyst, and I got serious. I mean it's radio,
Speaker 2: so you get to talk just NonStop. It was fantastic.
Speaker 2: I had so much fun. Yeah, I didn't want to
Speaker 2: shut up. I was like this, this is great. We
Speaker 2: can talk over the shot. Just keep on rolling.
Speaker 1: It's been We're three majors in now. John Rahm wins
Speaker 1: the Masters, Brooks wins the PGA. Now Wyndam Clark wins
Speaker 1: the US Open. Which one of those wins have been
Speaker 1: the most impressive to you.
Speaker 2: I mean they're all three extremely impressive. Obviously Windham it's
Speaker 2: a life changer, John Ron Brooks Koepka. They're meant to
Speaker 2: win majors. John's was impressive at the Masters because of
Speaker 2: the wave he was in. He had to play in
Speaker 2: those terrible conditions that one morning, and to go out
Speaker 2: there and do it, I mean when everyone else was
Speaker 2: just falling apart. And then Brooks, I mean, you know, eventually,
Speaker 2: I'm sure we're gonna get into this whole lift thing.
Speaker 2: Which that's what kind of what I get it. It
Speaker 2: is what it is. I said, going into Augusta and
Speaker 2: No one listens to me or anything about that, and
Speaker 2: they don't have to. That's fine. But when Brooks won
Speaker 2: in Orlando, I said, the healthy Brooks Koepka is a
Speaker 2: problem in major championships. He is just, you know, talking
Speaker 2: to other guys, talking to some of the best in
Speaker 2: the world. They are blown away by what Brooks does
Speaker 2: in major championships. It is truly unbelievable. And what I
Speaker 2: saw in Orlando, it looked like the knee was great.
Speaker 2: Everything I mean, obviously, I know everyone on his team
Speaker 2: sounded like everything was great. I said, I would not
Speaker 2: surprise me one bit if he's a factor. At Augusta.
Speaker 2: He was obviously a huge factor. Finished a second, and
Speaker 2: then he goes to the PGA and I got to
Speaker 2: walk with him on Saturday, him and Bryson, and he
Speaker 2: just put on a clinic and he just ran away
Speaker 2: from that field. And I don't know, you know way
Speaker 2: more about it than I do, but I and I
Speaker 2: don't think he'll ever share the secret. I know he
Speaker 2: broke down that one time about why he thinks major
Speaker 2: championships are easier to win, But it's just so impressive
Speaker 2: that he puts himself up there every single time, and
Speaker 2: then of course I go out and I pick him
Speaker 2: at La Country Club and he plays horrible for him
Speaker 2: and finished the seventeenth. So I'll take that one.
Speaker 1: At one time, you both shared the same agent, Blake Smith,
Speaker 1: who's also Scotti Shuffler's agent. When you look at Brooks,
Speaker 1: I mean, you know him well, You've spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time around him. You obviously we know the mental
Speaker 1: strength in the that that extra thing that he has.
Speaker 1: But when you look at Brooks's game, what do you
Speaker 1: like about it? And what do you what what impresses
Speaker 1: you and what you've known him for a long time,
Speaker 1: and what have you seen over the course of the
Speaker 1: last ten years about how his game has evolved.
Speaker 2: Nothing bothers him like I mean, he wants the biggest
Speaker 2: moment possible. He wants all the lights to be on him,
Speaker 2: and I just love how he just gets up there
Speaker 2: and he just sends it. He does not hold back
Speaker 2: one bit. Him and Ricky Elliott, they are two of them.
Speaker 2: I mean they make decisions faster than anybody in the game,
Speaker 2: which which I love. And also he has no weaknesses
Speaker 2: and you can see it in his eyes. I mean,
Speaker 2: he is a man on the on a mission. He's
Speaker 2: a he's an athlete. Like I said, he loves the
Speaker 2: stage and he goes out there and he performs. I mean,
Speaker 2: I know it bothered him a lot what happened at
Speaker 2: Augusta on Sunday, How he let that one get away
Speaker 2: and he said it will never happen again. And it
Speaker 2: only took a few weeks for him to prove that statement, right.
Speaker 1: I think one of the things, and you've seen it
Speaker 1: up close, I think one of the things that just
Speaker 1: changed a lot about Brooks's I don't think he gets
Speaker 1: nearly enough credit for how good he is. From one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty and in he can really hit. I mean, obviously,
Speaker 1: to me, Justin Thomas is the best in the game,
Speaker 1: and it isn't even close with regards to wet shots,
Speaker 1: off speed, web shots, controlling trajectory, controlling the spin. But
Speaker 1: Brooks is sneaky good in the ability to flight and
Speaker 1: hit that kind of no spin one bouncer that just
Speaker 1: kind of stays in the area that he needs to stay.
Speaker 1: I think that's a part of his game that has
Speaker 1: gotten better. And then I think he's very underrated the
Speaker 1: work that he's done with Pete Cowen Brooks short game
Speaker 1: is pretty legit as well.
Speaker 2: It really is. And I mean, if you look at
Speaker 2: his major championship record again, I believe going into last
Speaker 2: week he was he had eighteen top tens and thirty
Speaker 2: six majors. Five of those are wins, obviously, but how
Speaker 2: many of those were he actually healthy? I mean there's
Speaker 2: sick seven eight of those where he was he was
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent Brooks Koepka, So you can kind
Speaker 2: of throw those out the window. And so when you
Speaker 2: break it down, you're looking at that around sixty five percent.
Speaker 2: He puts himself in attention at major championships, and then
Speaker 2: there was the ones early in his career where he
Speaker 2: definitely didn't have the skill that he does now. So
Speaker 2: you got to give him credit about his major championship record.
Speaker 2: It is. It is truly something special. And when other
Speaker 2: players text you and you're and tell you how amazing,
Speaker 2: how amazed they are of how good he is during
Speaker 2: those championships, it's something truly special.
Speaker 1: You live in Scottsdale, John Rahm lives out there. You
Speaker 1: can make an argument cold I wonder how John rom
Speaker 1: doesn't win every week. I mean, that is how good
Speaker 1: he is. I've had his coach, Dave Phillips from the
Speaker 1: Titleist Performance Institute on the pod in the past. We've
Speaker 1: talked about it. He is so good. I'm sure you
Speaker 1: probably see him a lot in Scottsdale and play and stuff.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have any weaknesses in my opinion. So what
Speaker 1: wrests you about him as a player From a technique
Speaker 1: and ball striking standpoint.
Speaker 2: It just looks like the same shot every single time.
Speaker 2: Like with the driver, he sets up down the left,
Speaker 2: hits that just hard fade. He's really good at changing trajectories,
Speaker 2: which I don't think everyone is. And then his iron game,
Speaker 2: I mean the ball just barely curves. If anything. He
Speaker 2: just throws darts at all times. But he's another guy
Speaker 2: like Brooks. He's got that killer instinct. It doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if your Sunday have a major championship or Tuesday at
Speaker 2: Whisper Rock or Silver Leaf and he's playing for fifty bucks,
Speaker 2: he wants to absolutely kill you. Oh.
Speaker 1: Pat Perez says he throws more clubs at home when
Speaker 1: he hits a bad shot. Pat says he has to.
Speaker 1: When they play at silver Leaf, he says, if they're
Speaker 1: playing for money at least three times around. He's got
Speaker 1: to go into the middle of the desert and go
Speaker 1: get his driver, Go get an iron, go get the putter,
Speaker 1: because he just flings it because he gets so mad
Speaker 1: at home.
Speaker 2: It is hilarious. It's great. And when we play now
Speaker 2: he has to give me two a side and so
Speaker 2: when I par my stroke, call and let him know
Speaker 2: that that's four for three. That really gets the Spaniard
Speaker 2: fired up.
Speaker 1: Wyndham Clark A. I mean it was a dominant, impressive
Speaker 1: performance as you mentioned Scotty Scheffler, Ricky Rory. How how
Speaker 1: good can he be?
Speaker 2: Colt?
Speaker 1: And is he now somebody that we are going to
Speaker 1: start seeing in major championships for the next five years
Speaker 1: like we see you know, Scotty and DJ and Cam
Speaker 1: Smith and all these other great players. Is Wyndham now
Speaker 1: do you think he's going to be that guy?
Speaker 2: Now? It'll be interesting to see how good he can get.
Speaker 2: You know, when he was in contention at Quail Hollow
Speaker 2: earlier this year, I said on CBS, I said, you know,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, this guy's underachieved in his career. He
Speaker 2: was ranked eightieth in the world, hadn't won yet. Like
Speaker 2: I just I see all the tools, and I think
Speaker 2: he's a top twenty player in the world. And of
Speaker 2: course the haters on social media absolutely abused me for
Speaker 2: that and said he hadn't done anything to show that.
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, listen, I get to see these
Speaker 2: guys every single week, and when you play with Wyndham Clark,
Speaker 2: you're impressed. That's all I know. So if he ever believe,
Speaker 2: if ever realizes how good he is, I think he's
Speaker 2: gonna be really good in this game. Now, the Major
Speaker 2: Championship happened faster than I thought it would. He's up
Speaker 2: to thirteenth in the world. I'm with a lot of
Speaker 2: people in this The world rankings are absolutely ridiculous. So
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how much I look
Speaker 2: into that, but here's a guy. He's gonna be on
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup team this year. You know his confidence
Speaker 2: is going to continue to grow. Can he be a
Speaker 2: multiple time major champion? Yeah? Could he go the rest
Speaker 2: of his career and only win one? Sure? That's how
Speaker 2: good everyone out there is. I mean, if you would
Speaker 2: have told me at the start of Sergios Garcia's career
Speaker 2: he'd have one major championship, what would you have said,
Speaker 2: you're out of your mind.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he came out, you would have thought he
Speaker 1: would have at least three or four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that's just how hard it is to win.
Speaker 2: And I think that's just another tip of the Captain Brooks.
Speaker 2: To have five in this era is really special.
Speaker 1: Rory McIlroy one shot back. Where are we with Rory?
Speaker 1: He hasn't won a major in nine years. I to me,
Speaker 1: there's about three or four guys that you can make
Speaker 1: an argument for John rom being one of them. Brooks
Speaker 1: DJ right now, I think you've got to throw Scotti
Speaker 1: Scheffler in that mix. When they're playing at their best,
Speaker 1: they're hard to beat. But out of all that crew,
Speaker 1: when Rory McElroy plays his best, he to me, he
Speaker 1: makes the game look as easy as anyone. It's been
Speaker 1: nine years since he's won a major. Do you think
Speaker 1: it's affecting him? Do you think he's running into guys
Speaker 1: that are playing better than he is. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: had legit chances cult in the last three tournaments he's
Speaker 1: played in, especially at Memorial, especially at RBC, we're seeing
Speaker 1: Rory not get it done in ways where we've seen
Speaker 1: him close and expect him to close in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one that baffles me the most. I mean,
Speaker 2: like you said, watching him play the game when he
Speaker 2: is on, it just doesn't look fair. The way he
Speaker 2: drives the golf ball, it is the It's the biggest
Speaker 2: weapon in the game of golf in my opinion. You know,
Speaker 2: he Cam Smith shot an unbelievable final round at Saint
Speaker 2: Andrews last year at the Open. Would Rory go back
Speaker 2: and probably say he played a little safe, I would
Speaker 2: have to say he would, But still Cam played a
Speaker 2: great round. But that's one he definitely should have won.
Speaker 2: You know, last week at the US Open, made nothing
Speaker 2: on Sunday. That's kind of the thing we've seen over
Speaker 2: the last couple of years as he struggled with the putter.
Speaker 2: But to be fair, there was not many putts hold
Speaker 2: on Sunday at the US Open in the last few groups.
Speaker 2: Those greens got so nasty. But I just think there's
Speaker 2: so much pressure on Rory with everything, and even before
Speaker 2: all this other stuff happened. I mean, he's one of
Speaker 2: the most popular players in the game. We expect so
Speaker 2: much from him. He won four major championships so quickly.
Speaker 2: Now he hasn't won one in his last thirty three attempts.
Speaker 2: But he's just that guy. Every single time a major
Speaker 2: comes around, it's like, is this gonna be the week?
Speaker 2: Is this gonna be the week? He went to the
Speaker 2: Masters this year early, got a lot of work in
Speaker 2: fell he was ready, went out and missed the cut,
Speaker 2: and I know it took a lot out of him.
Speaker 1: But there isn't a cult. There isn't a golf course
Speaker 1: on this planet that is designed better for Rory McElroy
Speaker 1: than Augusta National it is. I mean, if you could
Speaker 1: draw up a golf course to suit every element of
Speaker 1: his game, his ability to turn the golf ball from
Speaker 1: right to left, his ability, I mean, he can hit
Speaker 1: it as high probably. I mean, the only person that
Speaker 1: I've seen hit it that high with mid to long
Speaker 1: irons was Tiger in the day. Rory can hit a
Speaker 1: four iron that looks like a like a sixty degree lobwtch.
Speaker 1: It just goes straight up and lands straight down. Augusta
Speaker 1: to me, is the perfect place for him to win
Speaker 1: every single year because of the way his game is.
Speaker 1: Why do you think, I mean, it's been funny for
Speaker 1: me to watch this kind of war rivalry back and
Speaker 1: forth between him and Greg Norman, because if you look
Speaker 1: get Greg and Rory's careers, believe it or not, they're
Speaker 1: very very similar. Number One, they are the dominant players
Speaker 1: of their era. They dominate by the driver. Everyone thinks
Speaker 1: they are underachieving relative to the talent they've got. You know,
Speaker 1: Rory's won four Majors. Everybody thinks he should have won ten.
Speaker 1: Greg's won two, everybody thinks he should have won more.
Speaker 1: They've kind of they've.
Speaker 2: Won all over the world.
Speaker 1: They both have the same type of private jet. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's been interesting. They both haven't been able to get
Speaker 1: it done at Augusta Nashville, which again Greg's game in
Speaker 1: his prime. You couldn't find a better golf course for
Speaker 1: Greg Norman. Yeah.
Speaker 2: For Rory, obviously, he had the league going into the
Speaker 2: second nine there, you know, six seven, eight years ago,
Speaker 2: and he had the disaster when he Snapp pooped it
Speaker 2: on ten and it went into the cabins over there,
Speaker 2: and that obviously I think left some scar tissue. But
Speaker 2: starting to look at Augusta National more and more with Rory, Yeah,
Speaker 2: off the team absolutely per long. Part three's no problem.
Speaker 2: But you know, being out there. When he drives it good,
Speaker 2: he has so many short irons, and that is the
Speaker 2: one weakness in his game in my opinion, when things
Speaker 2: get a little off, is he hits some really poor
Speaker 2: short irons and wedges, and in Augusta National the sections
Speaker 2: you have to hit it into are so small, and
Speaker 2: so when he misses, he leaves himself in a really
Speaker 2: bad spot. That's the only thing I can think of
Speaker 2: of why he struggles there, because for the last decade
Speaker 2: I've always been like, Okay, I don't understand how he
Speaker 2: doesn't win here every single time as well. But when
Speaker 2: I started breaking it down a little more, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 2: that kind of makes sense if you missed the Bowl
Speaker 2: here on seven or seventeen, like you can get in
Speaker 2: a spot where you're in a lot of trouble. But
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how when his career is over
Speaker 2: he doesn't have at least one green jacket.
Speaker 1: I mean, you would think of and are there are
Speaker 1: players cold as you know? I mean now that you're
Speaker 1: working at you know, you work at Augusta National. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's such a privilege to be a part of that broadcast.
Speaker 1: There are players that everybody knows will be unbelievable Masters
Speaker 1: champions right, And I think Rory McElroy to me, out
Speaker 1: of everybody in the game, for him to dawn a
Speaker 1: green jacket, he would be an amazing ambassador for that tournament.
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent. I think he's gonna get it
Speaker 2: done at some point. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: it is it is so tough to win out there.
Speaker 2: I think he puts so much pressure on himself going
Speaker 2: into that week. Obviously he needs it for the career
Speaker 2: Grand Slam. He needs it to shut everybody up about
Speaker 2: him not being able to finish it off there. You know,
Speaker 2: he the year before last one, Scotty Cheffler won. He
Speaker 2: had the amazing final round hold the bunker shot in eighteen.
Speaker 2: It finished second, but he was never really close. I
Speaker 2: mean he was that bucker shot got him within four
Speaker 2: or five. He needed to have Scotty have a disaster
Speaker 2: coming in. But yeah, I'm with you, I would be
Speaker 2: shocked if he doesn't get one before his career is over.
Speaker 1: Do we see him? I mean, I can't see a
Speaker 1: way that he He's not in the mix going to
Speaker 1: Hoylake for the Open Championship, the last major of this year.
Speaker 1: What do you like about the Open Championship? What do
Speaker 1: you like about Links golf? What don't you like about
Speaker 1: Links golf?
Speaker 2: Well, the only thing I didn't like about Links golf
Speaker 2: is when you got on the wrong side of the wave,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's just it's an awesome thing about
Speaker 2: that tournament how everyone tees off number one, but there
Speaker 2: are just some years where if you teed off in
Speaker 2: a certain way, you had no chance of winning. That's
Speaker 2: the only thing that is bad about it. Other than that,
Speaker 2: the Open Championship might be the greatest tournament in golf.
Speaker 2: I mean, those fans over there, they get it. You
Speaker 2: get to play on some of the most historic golf courses.
Speaker 2: The scene coming up eighteen is the best in golf.
Speaker 2: You know, that massive horseshoe grand stand, the big yellow scoreboard.
Speaker 2: When it's twenty nineteen, when Shane Lowry won, I mean,
Speaker 2: was there a better scene in the game of golf?
Speaker 2: Him coming through the crowd, knowing it was over in
Speaker 2: his home country, arms in the air. That was just cool. Man.
Speaker 2: I get goosebumps just thinking about Shane going through there
Speaker 2: and then just absolutely putting the Cleric jet through torture
Speaker 2: for two years.
Speaker 1: I like that you've got a fan, You're you're part
Speaker 1: of the CBS broadcast team. One of my close close friends,
Speaker 1: one of my boys, Trevor Emmlman's part of your team.
Speaker 1: Now you've got jim Nantz, who just I mean, the
Speaker 1: guy is just as a broadcaster, it's you've got to
Speaker 1: have goosebumps where the first time you're at AUGUSSA, you're
Speaker 1: you've got your headset on and jim Nantz comes through
Speaker 1: and you're listening to the broadcast and that whole hello
Speaker 1: friends thing. I mean. To work with the crew that
Speaker 1: you've got, it's got to be pretty cool for you
Speaker 1: because you and and I think the relationship that you
Speaker 1: and Amanda now have that kind of cool moment that
Speaker 1: you guys had at Waste Management, And I mentioned this,
Speaker 1: I think you're part of this new breed of golf.
Speaker 1: But you've got so many veterans on your team at CBS.
Speaker 1: What's the experience been like for you and and what
Speaker 1: have you really really liked about it?
Speaker 2: Well? First off, like this was never a plan of
Speaker 2: mine in my life was to be a broadcaster. I
Speaker 2: had no idea that this would ever happen. I'll still
Speaker 2: never forget. When I got the call from CBS about
Speaker 2: doing a couple events, I was like, yeah, I guess,
Speaker 2: I mean, I got nothing else to do. I'll give
Speaker 2: it a try. And it has been such an awesome experience.
Speaker 2: Like you said, Jim Nance, I mean Jim Nantz has
Speaker 2: been with cbsins nineteen eighty five. That's the year I
Speaker 2: was born. So I've listened to him my entire life.
Speaker 2: And now the fact that I work alongside him and
Speaker 2: he sends it down and asked me a question. It
Speaker 2: seriously is a pinch me moment every single It's not
Speaker 2: just Augusta, it's everywhere. The first time he ever did
Speaker 2: it was the PGA Championship at Kiowa Island. That was
Speaker 2: my first real CBS event, and I was just like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, this just happened. It is It's really cool.
Speaker 2: But you know the relationship with Amanda. You got to
Speaker 2: give our producer Sellers Shy a lot of credit for
Speaker 2: that idea to put that set on sixteen at Waste Management,
Speaker 2: and then to have Sam Ryder make a hole in one,
Speaker 2: It's like, couldn't have drawn it up any better. Trevor.
Speaker 2: You know him and I have a great relationship. I
Speaker 2: had agree relationship with Nick as well, but you know,
Speaker 2: Trevor and I are a little closer in age. We
Speaker 2: love talking golf, we love having fun. Frank Nabolo is
Speaker 2: my guy. I mean, we just absolutely abuse each other
Speaker 2: out there. Fincy one of the best to ever do it.
Speaker 2: He's been out there forever. And then you have Dottie
Speaker 2: and Mark as well, who have been so great to
Speaker 2: me and taught me so many things because I had
Speaker 2: no idea what the hell I was doing, and they've
Speaker 2: been great mentors to me. But you know, like I
Speaker 2: said earlier, I know I'm not for everyone. I'm one
Speaker 2: of the youngest to ever do this do this role
Speaker 2: in professional golf, and I want to make it fun.
Speaker 2: It's a show. It's supposed to be entertaining. What the
Speaker 2: guys are doing out there that you're watching. That's the
Speaker 2: serious stuff. I think. I know when it's time to
Speaker 2: be serious. But at the end of the day, like
Speaker 2: I want people to be entertained. I want them to
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, what is col gonna say next? I mean,
Speaker 2: you look at the most successful shows in sports right now,
Speaker 2: there's two, in my opinion, Pat McAfee, who just says
Speaker 2: whatever the hell he wants, and he has one of
Speaker 2: the biggest shows on the planet. And then NBA on
Speaker 2: DNT with Charles, Kenny, Jack and Ernie. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't evenally like the NBA, but I tune in to
Speaker 2: listen to that because they are so funny, they're so loose,
Speaker 2: and that's what people want to hear, and I'm just
Speaker 2: trying to bring more of that to golf.
Speaker 1: It always takes me a little bit when I'm on
Speaker 1: TV to try and not sound like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: be on TV, because that's really really hard, and I
Speaker 1: think it is hard to kind of find your voice,
Speaker 1: find your own personality when you're on TV, because, like
Speaker 1: you said, we've all watched broadcast television forever, We've all
Speaker 1: watched golf forever, and I think you came in. I
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons why you've been successful and
Speaker 1: why you know some people don't like it is you
Speaker 1: kind of take the approach that I think you always
Speaker 1: kind of talk about what's happening in golf, like we
Speaker 1: would be talking about what somebody's doing on the range,
Speaker 1: minus the fact that you can't swear on yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: regular TV. But I think one of the things I
Speaker 1: like about which you there was this I can't remember
Speaker 1: where we were, but I was watching you. I think
Speaker 1: we were at Congare a couple of years ago and
Speaker 1: you were on course and you were going back and
Speaker 1: forth and you were talking to Nick and you asked
Speaker 1: Nick a question and he didn't answer it, and live
Speaker 1: on air you went, well, okay then, and I thought
Speaker 1: it was just perfect. And I thought, of all the people,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you've got to call him. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you call him sir Nick or do you call
Speaker 1: him Nick?
Speaker 2: No? Absolutely not. I always called him Nick. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not calling you, sir. I know that's your My.
Speaker 1: Dad said the same thing last he was doing he
Speaker 1: did Sky and Nick was doing Sky at Augusta and
Speaker 1: my dad said, Man, I'm not calling this guy sir.
Speaker 2: No, no chance, absolutely not no. But like I mean,
Speaker 2: like you said, one of the best pieces of advice
Speaker 2: I got was from the longtime legendary producer at CBS,
Speaker 2: Lance Berrow, and I first got to know him. He
Speaker 2: would always come out to Wist brock Ter and Phoenix
Speaker 2: Open and want to come in and hang out. And
Speaker 2: I would sit with him at lunch occasionally, and you know,
Speaker 2: you know how I am. I talk to everyone that
Speaker 2: walks in the door, hold court, whatever it is. And
Speaker 2: he goes, this is what I want you to be
Speaker 2: on TV. He goes, I want the WISP person sitting
Speaker 2: at the lunch table at Whisp Brock to be that
Speaker 2: on CBS. And I'm like, I actually think. I was like,
Speaker 2: that's hard to do. And then finally I started getting
Speaker 2: a lot more comfortable and just realizing, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna talk just the way I am. Like,
Speaker 2: you know, Trevor and I go back and forth. We
Speaker 2: take jabs at each other all the time. I always
Speaker 2: congratulate him on finishing runner up at the President's Cup.
Speaker 2: It's it's just it's it's supposed to be fun. Like
Speaker 2: get I wake up every day so excited to go
Speaker 2: to work, and I never want to lose that in
Speaker 2: a in a in a world today where you have
Speaker 2: to be so careful with what you say, because I mean,
Speaker 2: you can get canceled at any moment if you offend anyone.
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that terrifies me a little bit.
Speaker 2: But man, I'm just gonna let it all hang out, like,
Speaker 2: I want to enjoy this as long as I can,
Speaker 2: and when when I'm all finished with this career, I
Speaker 2: hopefully go down as one of the best to ever
Speaker 2: do it.
Speaker 1: Do you think that we need this in golf, that
Speaker 1: we need the broadcast to maybe change a little bit
Speaker 1: from what it has been And you mentioned that, you know,
Speaker 1: seller show put you and Amanda on the sixteenth hole
Speaker 1: at waste Management, I mean all of the stuff happening there.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the broadcast needs to change to
Speaker 1: bring in new viewers?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we want to get younger, right, you
Speaker 2: want to get younger viewers. And I have all kinds
Speaker 2: of opinions. I've only done this for a couple of years,
Speaker 2: and so I don't know if anybody would listen to me,
Speaker 2: but I get it. In a day where everyone wants
Speaker 2: they want to see more shots, more shots, more shots,
Speaker 2: that's fine, but God's boring, and we need to tell
Speaker 2: more about these guys. And even if we just show
Speaker 2: brooks Kepka hit a shot, and I've got a great
Speaker 2: story about brooks Kepka that takes longer than six seconds,
Speaker 2: even if it goes into the next shot, like I
Speaker 2: don't understand why I can't continue to say it because
Speaker 2: it's relevant at the time, Like, that's not taking away
Speaker 2: from Scotti Scheffler hitting seven iron from one to eighty
Speaker 2: on the next hole. If he holds it, well, that's
Speaker 2: just really bad luck for me that I was talking
Speaker 2: over it. But yeah, I think I think the broadcast
Speaker 2: does need to change a little bit. I think it
Speaker 2: needs to be looser. I think there needs to be
Speaker 2: you know, they always say, I mean you you listen
Speaker 2: to what the public says. They want more shots, but
Speaker 2: they want more information on the guys. That's pretty damn
Speaker 2: hard to do. You know. In my role, I'm out
Speaker 2: there on the range every day talking with you guys.
Speaker 2: I get some great stuff. I know what I can
Speaker 2: use and I know what I can't use. And I
Speaker 2: think the viewer at home would be fascinated to hear
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that those guys share with me.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that one of the things. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a fine line because you know,
Speaker 1: you're down there, and I always think that those of
Speaker 1: us that are not doing TV and there for the
Speaker 1: tournaments and stuff, if you are going to say something,
Speaker 1: I think those of us as coaches, as caddies, and
Speaker 1: you know, I can't speak for Flayers, but I'm guessing
Speaker 1: they're the same. If you're going to say something about
Speaker 1: a player or about what they're working on, it stuff,
Speaker 1: I think it lends more credibility to do it the
Speaker 1: way you do it, where you're trying to get information
Speaker 1: from the people on the team, You're trying to get
Speaker 1: information from the players. You're trying to get the real
Speaker 1: time information. Whereas your brandle has always taken more of
Speaker 1: the Peter alis mold. He doesn't want to get friendly
Speaker 1: with the players, he doesn't want to come to the range.
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to It's he he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: have his view skewed by other information. How do you
Speaker 1: balance that? Because I do think that if you are
Speaker 1: going to talk, you need to talk from a position
Speaker 1: of strength. You need to talk from a position of knowledge.
Speaker 2: So that's one thing I get asked a lot is like,
Speaker 2: how do you balance you know, being a working relationship
Speaker 2: and a friendly relationship. And I'm so new from quitting
Speaker 2: this game that I mean all these a lot of
Speaker 2: these guys are still my best friends in the world.
Speaker 2: That's who I hang out with when I'm on the road,
Speaker 2: and so I'm very careful of If someone gives me
Speaker 2: something and I think it's interesting, I'll ask if I
Speaker 2: can use it. There is no doubt about it. And
Speaker 2: that's why when I follow Dust and I follow Brooks, like,
Speaker 2: I'm texting you and asking you for inner any information,
Speaker 2: because I want to know that my information is correct.
Speaker 2: I don't want to just go out there and guess
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, this is what I think he's
Speaker 2: working on. Like why do that when I can text
Speaker 2: Claude Harmon and be like, this is what they're working on,
Speaker 2: and so let's look for that today. If that makes sense,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: You need I mean personally, I think you need to
Speaker 1: do that. I think if you're gonna if you're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about what's going on, you better kind of have
Speaker 1: a good idea as to what the guys are trying
Speaker 1: to do and what they're wanting to do. What have
Speaker 1: you found hard about the role Cole, anything that you've
Speaker 1: found hard, because it looks like it's all really really
Speaker 1: easy to you.
Speaker 2: You know, Ever since I got to go down on
Speaker 2: the ground, it's it's felt pretty easy for the most part,
Speaker 2: you know, I still, you know, do all my homework
Speaker 2: and everything. But I think the thing you go back
Speaker 2: to is, you know, just you never want to cross
Speaker 2: that line. You know. I still go out to dinner
Speaker 2: with Justin Jordan and those guys when I'm on the road,
Speaker 2: and they treat me normal. But at the same time,
Speaker 2: I know, I hope they know that they can trust me.
Speaker 2: And then I'm now are gonna be like, oh, you
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe what he said at dinner last night, and
Speaker 2: just throw somebody under the bus, because at the end
Speaker 2: of the day, those friendships and relationships are much more
Speaker 2: important than me, you know, saying something that I think
Speaker 2: will get me some clicks out in the media world.
Speaker 2: That's that's my number one thing. But for the most part,
Speaker 2: everything's been great. Man. The guys are great, great to me.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, going to the range at
Speaker 2: the US Open, you know, I'm always gonna be out there.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be seen. Whether they want to talk to me,
Speaker 2: that's up to them, but I'm not shy to go
Speaker 2: up say hi, good luck, and then if a conversation
Speaker 2: breaks out, it's great, And I think that just helps
Speaker 2: me do my job better, you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I helped them relax it all or not. But
Speaker 2: you know there's times when Ricky on Saturday I'll never forget,
Speaker 2: went up and him and his him and his caddie
Speaker 2: who I've known forever. We started talking and his caddie,
Speaker 2: Ricky Romano, is a member at Mesa Country Club here
Speaker 2: in Scottsdale. And I said, you know, I got to
Speaker 2: play Mesa Country Club for the first time the other day,
Speaker 2: and it just turned into this conversation. Ricky midwarm up,
Speaker 2: turned around, He's like, oh, what'd you think all this?
Speaker 2: He goes tell me more about it, and I could
Speaker 2: see Sam mcnott and just staring at me, like go away,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, he started this conversation. I'm just
Speaker 2: sitting here. Please don't kill me. But man, yeah, everything's
Speaker 2: been so great, Like CBS is like when we're talking
Speaker 2: about scheduling everything. I was like, look, guys, I'll work
Speaker 2: every week. I really do. I love it that much.
Speaker 2: It is so much fun to go out there, and
Speaker 2: it's crazy now to get recognized more for this than
Speaker 2: when I actually played out there on the PGA tour.
Speaker 1: We couldn't have you on colt without asking your opinion
Speaker 1: on all the craziness of the last two weeks, the
Speaker 1: supposed merger between the PIF and the PGA Tour and
Speaker 1: Live Did you did you see this coming?
Speaker 2: Did you? Did you?
Speaker 1: Did you think it would happen? No?
Speaker 2: I didn't. I mean, I think when that news came
Speaker 2: out that morning, I think we all thought it was
Speaker 2: a joke, just because there was no talk of it
Speaker 2: or anything like this. And hearing everything Jay had to say, Like,
Speaker 2: I've been a huge j Monahan fan. He has been
Speaker 2: great to me. I thought he did a great job.
Speaker 2: And now without everything that happens, obviously he's been very
Speaker 2: hypocritical with everything that The stance he took in Canada
Speaker 2: last year when he was in the booth with Jim
Speaker 2: Nance was obviously extremely aggressive and saying, you know, have
Speaker 2: have you ever had to apologize for being on the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour and then turning the one eighty and saying
Speaker 2: we're gonna merge and we're gonna be you know, supported
Speaker 2: by the p IF. It was it was shocking. You know,
Speaker 2: there's still so much I think that we have to
Speaker 2: learn and figure out what's gonna what's gonna happen. I
Speaker 2: know there was a meeting just recently at Travelers where
Speaker 2: players came out and obviously there there wasn't as much tension,
Speaker 2: but there's still they have no answers, which I think
Speaker 2: is the biggest problem. I think this this announcement got rushed.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they thought it was gonna get
Speaker 2: leaked or what it was, but it was so rushed.
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that no one knew about it
Speaker 2: but other than three or four people is really surprising
Speaker 2: in today's world. But to come out and just say, hey,
Speaker 2: we're merging. We don't really know our plan, but here
Speaker 2: we go. I know that Roff lied a lot of
Speaker 2: feathers the wrong way. Considering, like you said, I mean, well,
Speaker 2: if you like it or not, lives there and lives
Speaker 2: got Infinity money, and a lot of the guys turned
Speaker 2: down massive contracts that they could have went over there
Speaker 2: and made hundreds of millions of dollars. And then now,
Speaker 2: if it works the way people were thinking is they
Speaker 2: get to come back and see it on the PGA tour.
Speaker 2: There's gonna be some pissed off people if that happens,
Speaker 2: And I get it, you know, my whole stance the
Speaker 2: entire time is I want the best players in the
Speaker 2: world playing together as much as possible. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what the behind the scenes like Phil Mickelson did,
Speaker 2: like I mean, obviously he's been very outspoken about it.
Speaker 2: Him and I talked at the US Open. I don't
Speaker 2: know what their books look like. I don't know any
Speaker 2: of that stuff. That's not me. I'm just I'm a
Speaker 2: golf fan. I work in golf, I work on the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour. I'm a fan, and I just want to
Speaker 2: see these guys out there. Like I said earlier, I
Speaker 2: missed seeing Dustin and a aj out there. I want
Speaker 2: to see these guys battling it out. People give me
Speaker 2: a shit all the time about saying how I'm a
Speaker 2: PGA Tour shield. Listen, that's the tour I cover. But
Speaker 2: I'm also, at the end of the day, a golf fan.
Speaker 2: I walked with Brooks and Bryson Saturday at the PGA.
Speaker 2: I sold sellers, give it to me, I'll go with them.
Speaker 2: And I called it just like I would any other thing.
Speaker 2: I called it when they hit great shots, I called
Speaker 2: it when they hit bad shots. I made jokes here
Speaker 2: and there that I did my job, and I will
Speaker 2: always do my job. But if someone asked me my opinion,
Speaker 2: I'm also gonna give it. And I just think it
Speaker 2: sucks in today's world when you give an opinion and
Speaker 2: someone disagrees with it, they think you're the biggest scum
Speaker 2: on the on the planet. Like, like you and I
Speaker 2: are friends. We don't agree about everything, but we're still friends.
Speaker 2: Like what's wrong with that? We disagree on things all
Speaker 2: the time, but at the end of the day we
Speaker 2: can go share a beer and dinner and still get
Speaker 2: along great.
Speaker 1: Pre the announcement, did you, I mean, obviously being a
Speaker 1: did you watch any of the live stuff? Did you
Speaker 1: watch any of the tournaments?
Speaker 2: I've watched. I don't watch every single round, but I
Speaker 2: at some point in the week I have tuned in
Speaker 2: and watched a part part of it. Listen, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of great players out there. Am I the biggest
Speaker 2: fan of the format? No? Do? I?
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so, having watched it, are there things that
Speaker 1: you like about it and things that you don't like
Speaker 1: about lift?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I like the not the political stuff, but yeah, the
Speaker 1: actual way that the tournaments in the format and the
Speaker 1: way the broadcast looks is there anything that you've gone okay,
Speaker 1: I don't mind that, and then there's things you've gone No,
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 2: Now I think it's cool. How I mean they fly
Speaker 2: around in the broadcast, they show so many shots, but
Speaker 2: at the same time, as a person who doesn't know
Speaker 2: what that golf course is, I have no idea what
Speaker 2: number eight is. I have no idea what number twelve is.
Speaker 2: Like I think it's great, like people want shot shot shots,
Speaker 2: but also like, okay, is this a hard shot? Is
Speaker 2: it a tough shot? What is this hole? Like? Is
Speaker 2: he jammed up here? I have no idea, you know,
Speaker 2: the shotgun start that's just not that's not for me.
Speaker 2: That's just my opinion. Like I want the leaders teeing
Speaker 2: off last coming up eighteen, Like I don't want to
Speaker 2: and I don't want to know. Like if I'm finishing
Speaker 2: on eighteen and I'm tied with Brooks Koepka and he's
Speaker 2: finishing on two, is to a birdie hole? Wait? Is
Speaker 2: this whole harder? Like what? There's just so much involved,
Speaker 2: Like I want everybody to play this. I know they're
Speaker 2: playing at the same time, which is great because you
Speaker 2: never have to worry about bad waves. Or anything. But
Speaker 2: I just I like the leaders coming up last with
Speaker 2: a massive gallery around and everything like that. You know,
Speaker 2: the team thing hasn't sold me yet. Maybe one day
Speaker 2: it will. Like I'm just, I guess a traditionalist in that,
Speaker 2: Like professional golf is an individual sport. That's what makes
Speaker 2: it different. Like I use the example of tennis, right,
Speaker 2: are the ratings better in the in the finals of
Speaker 2: the singles in major championships or the finals of the doubles?
Speaker 2: Like just no, no one cares about that part. That's
Speaker 2: not what tennis is. The music is what it is.
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really care. I listen to music
Speaker 2: when I play play golf at home, durerent. Professional golf
Speaker 2: it's not normally out there, but it's different. It's it's
Speaker 2: been a disruptor, there's no doubt about it. I don't
Speaker 2: mind different things, but I don't think I should get
Speaker 2: hated on if I say, hey, I don't like watching
Speaker 2: the live broadcast, like I would rather watch the PGA
Speaker 2: Tour broadcast. I don't want to watch the XFL. I
Speaker 2: want to watch the NFL. That's just that's just my
Speaker 2: personal opinion.
Speaker 1: You know, I've been saying for a couple you know
Speaker 1: of months now you know I'm a big Formula one guy.
Speaker 1: I've gotten to know Denny Hemlin because I've helped him
Speaker 1: for with his golf. He races NASCAR. If he's got
Speaker 1: a chance to win, I'll watch, but if he's not,
Speaker 1: I don't watch it. It doesn't mean that I don't
Speaker 1: like the sport. It doesn't mean that I don't have
Speaker 1: an appreciation for what they do. I got to go
Speaker 1: to Homestead, the race in Miami with Denny and hang
Speaker 1: out of this bus and hang out in the pits,
Speaker 1: and it was unbelievable. And to watch all the things
Speaker 1: that he has to do as a race car driver
Speaker 1: was amazing to me. But I tend to I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Formula One. I have been for years,
Speaker 1: even before the Drive to Survive because I lived in
Speaker 1: Europe for so much of my life. I watched the qualifying,
Speaker 1: I watched the practice. That's my jam. And it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that I don't think that NASCAR is great, and
Speaker 1: it's been. I think it's just my opinion cult. But
Speaker 1: I think that Jay wanted the fans, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: to choose between Live or the PGA Tour and it
Speaker 1: seemed to me that he wanted you to choose, and
Speaker 1: I kept saying, listen, if you like watching golf, there's
Speaker 1: some great golf being played. I mean, honestly call it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a straight shooter. I saw DJ play
Speaker 1: some of the best golf that he's played in a
Speaker 1: long time. Last summer. I saw Cam Smith play some
Speaker 1: great golf. Peter u Liine and Pete Reid are playing
Speaker 1: some great golf. So there is some great golf being played.
Speaker 1: And I think one of the positive things is once
Speaker 1: everybody got to the Masters and Brooks did what he did,
Speaker 1: Phil did what he did, and Patrick reed, I think
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people that thought that that
Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought that those guys were going to show up in
Speaker 1: big tournaments now and not be able to play. And
Speaker 1: as a player, you and I both know it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter where you're winning golf tournaments. If you're winning a
Speaker 1: lot of golf tournaments on the mini tours, that means
Speaker 1: that you're doing the right things. And I think if
Speaker 1: you're winning golf wordless of where you're winning, it means
Speaker 1: that you're playing great golf. And that was the thing
Speaker 1: that I think upset me the most is I was
Speaker 1: seeing these guys work as hard as they've always worked,
Speaker 1: and I think the golf. Everybody kept saying the golf
Speaker 1: is different, and I was like, the golf isn't any different.
Speaker 1: The golf might be different, Yeah, the golf not any different.
Speaker 1: You still got to go out there.
Speaker 2: You can only beat who you're teeing it up against,
Speaker 2: which you know Brooks Kopka's won twice out there. Dustin Johnson,
Speaker 2: I believe he's won twice out there. Now, like you said,
Speaker 2: it's it's your opinion. Do you want to watch golf,
Speaker 2: then turn it on. It's very simple. If you don't
Speaker 2: want to watch it, great, You know those guys, if
Speaker 2: they have time to prepare now, I would say if
Speaker 2: they did a good job of making their schedule the
Speaker 2: way it is so that therefore they can kind of
Speaker 2: get some get some starts before the major championships, because
Speaker 2: if they didn't start their schedule till you know, middle
Speaker 2: of April and the Masters was their first tournament four months,
Speaker 2: I don't think, as you know a player, you'd probably
Speaker 2: feel a little rusty going in. So they've done a
Speaker 2: great job. But as I said at the start of
Speaker 2: the show, I thought brooks Koepka when when he won
Speaker 2: in Orlando and he looked really healthy, I thought we
Speaker 2: were about to see another dominant major performance by brooks Kepka,
Speaker 2: and it's it's starting to turn out that way. Well.
Speaker 1: One of the things behind the scene that you know,
Speaker 1: because I've been a part of Live since it started,
Speaker 1: that's not by choice, it's just all my guys went
Speaker 1: to Live. But the tournament in Orlando, they added that
Speaker 1: tournament because the players that were going to be playing
Speaker 1: in the Masters said hey, can we have another tournament
Speaker 1: week before the Masters so we can get some more reps.
Speaker 1: So in that respect, I think that that's not something
Speaker 1: that a lot of people that are against Live realized.
Speaker 1: It has been very very player centric. I remember the
Speaker 1: first one in London less than a you know, a
Speaker 1: year ago. It finished on Saturday so that they could
Speaker 1: get everybody that was playing in the US Open. Everybody
Speaker 1: could either leave Saturday night or Sunday and get to
Speaker 1: the US and because we were in London. So in
Speaker 1: that respect, I think they've done some cool things. Do
Speaker 1: you think Colt not Live coming about has made some
Speaker 1: positive change. I mean one of the positive changes that
Speaker 1: I think coming about is I mean last year, if
Speaker 1: you before Live London, if somebody would have told you, hey,
Speaker 1: there is going to be a pathway for college golfers
Speaker 1: now to immediately get onto the corn ferry. I think
Speaker 1: if Live doesn't come around, I don't know if that happens.
Speaker 1: And I think that is something that as soon as
Speaker 1: it happened, everybody said should have happened ten years ago.
Speaker 2: The two things that come to my mind when I
Speaker 2: think about what positive things Live has brought to the game.
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of money for these guys because the
Speaker 2: PGA Tour had to step up and be like, okay,
Speaker 2: there's another option for guys to go play. If we
Speaker 2: don't react and improve, like, we could lose some of
Speaker 2: our top guys, which they did lose some, but they
Speaker 2: could have lost more. They got a lot more money involved,
Speaker 2: which is great. Is it sustainable? Don't? Maybe this is
Speaker 2: what this whole PIF thing's about. And the other thing
Speaker 2: is what you mentioned PGA two are you. I am
Speaker 2: a huge fan of this, you know. I think Lives
Speaker 2: one of the things they could have done to make
Speaker 2: their tour really strong is to get all the top
Speaker 2: college players out and now with this program, how you
Speaker 2: can have the number one guy get direct access to
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour, the next nine get access out on
Speaker 2: the corn Ferry Tour. I mean, look what's just happened
Speaker 2: since NC double As The first two winners on the
Speaker 2: corn Ferry Tour are PGA Tour Are you guys? And
Speaker 2: then fred Byondi who won NC double As individually contended
Speaker 2: in his first one. So this is great for these guys.
Speaker 2: I love that they can get out there right now
Speaker 2: and try to get their feet wet in professional golf.
Speaker 2: And hell, I mean, I don't want to butcher the
Speaker 2: guy's name that won the first won the BMW just
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago, but then he finished high up
Speaker 2: and recently in Wichitall and he's already seventh on that
Speaker 2: corn Ferry Tour points list. Like he's gonna play his
Speaker 2: way on the PGA Tour most likely.
Speaker 1: So where does this end up in your opinion? I
Speaker 1: heard rumors at Scotty Golden Offer. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: that Scotty was asking about questions. Scotty said that one
Speaker 1: of the reasons he didn't go is because he was
Speaker 1: told by Jay and the guys in Ponavidra that there
Speaker 1: was no pathway back, and now it seems like there
Speaker 1: is going to It sounds like there's going to be
Speaker 1: a pathway back. But one of the things that nobody's
Speaker 1: talking about is if Live continues, which I think it
Speaker 1: probably will for the for twenty four and then might
Speaker 1: morph into something different. But if Live continues in the
Speaker 1: same way that it's continued fourteen events and then you've
Speaker 1: got guys playing in the majors, the players that I've
Speaker 1: talked to Colt, there's this big I think it's a
Speaker 1: myth that everybody wants to rush back and start playing
Speaker 1: every week on the PGA Tour. Some of the players
Speaker 1: I've talked to have said, listen, I'd play maybe two
Speaker 1: maybe three tournaments max. And there are tournaments that I've
Speaker 1: won at, there's tournaments that I like, the course, whatever.
Speaker 1: So where do you see all of this playing out?
Speaker 1: And is there a way that you could see that
Speaker 1: Live in the PGA Tour coexist in the same way
Speaker 1: that Live in the DP World and I mean the
Speaker 1: PG Tour and DP World, PGA Tour in Asia, all
Speaker 1: those things. Do you see there's a way to coexist.
Speaker 2: On your first point about not everybody wanting to come back,
Speaker 2: you know, I agree with you on that. I'm whether
Speaker 2: people believe it or not. I'm still very friendly with
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys that play on live. I
Speaker 2: talked to him a lot, and I'm not going to
Speaker 2: use his name, but I was talking to one last
Speaker 2: week at the US Open, and he's like, cold, I
Speaker 2: don't want to come back. He goes, I am having
Speaker 2: a great life out here. I have four kids at home.
Speaker 2: I get to spend a lot more time with them.
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, I respect that. That is perfectly fine.
Speaker 2: Like at least you're owning up to. The problem I
Speaker 2: had at the start was when everybody complained about how
Speaker 2: they don't want to play this many events. They can
Speaker 2: go do this and they can only play at start
Speaker 2: I think it was eight Now it's fourteen events. They
Speaker 2: get to spend more time, but then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: they're fighting to play more tournaments, and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well which one is it. Do you want to play
Speaker 2: a lot of tournaments or do you not want to
Speaker 2: play a lot of tournaments. So for that guy, like
Speaker 2: I totally get it. You know, is there going to
Speaker 2: be a pathway back? I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 2: what the whole thing, what's gonna come of this. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Yaser is gonna have a big say in everything. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's the money behind this. The PGA Tour says, you know,
Speaker 2: they've agreed that they're going to stay in control. So
Speaker 2: there's just so many like I don't understand in my opinion,
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the guy with all the money
Speaker 2: who's putting it up is going to have no say.
Speaker 2: But you listen to Jimmy Dunn, you listen to Jay Monahan.
Speaker 2: Now take Jay Monahan's word for what it's worth. Right now,
Speaker 2: I mean people are like, hey, he's lied once, why
Speaker 2: wouldn't he lie again? So I get that. Jimmy Dunn
Speaker 2: has been very outspoken. He's the one who's given us
Speaker 2: the most information of anyone. And so if things go
Speaker 2: the way Jimmy says, yes, there will be a pathway
Speaker 2: back and one day, you know, I just I want
Speaker 2: I want the best in the world to be there.
Speaker 2: We got to figure out a lot of things. You
Speaker 2: got to figure out the world rankings, because there's there's
Speaker 2: as it lived that their ranking has fallen so far
Speaker 2: that they're not going to be in the majors and
Speaker 2: that sucks. Like Bryson should be in the majors, Patrick
Speaker 2: Reed should be in the majors. Obviously Brooks is going
Speaker 2: to be in the majors, Dustin is going to be
Speaker 2: in them. But there's some Taylor goots, Like what happened
Speaker 2: to him at the US Open. I disagreed with I
Speaker 2: flat out side, Like he qualified. I get it, it was
Speaker 2: he qualified through a PGA Tour category, but that was
Speaker 2: wrong to take that away from him.
Speaker 1: And then you've got mikes And then you've got Mike
Speaker 1: Wand from the USJA coming out in the middle of
Speaker 1: that controversy saying I don't care about the quality of
Speaker 1: the field. I was just like, dude, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: How are you?
Speaker 1: How are you running the USGA And you've got the
Speaker 1: US SO but it's one of the four majors that
Speaker 1: you are actually on record saying you don't care about
Speaker 1: the quality of the field. I just couldn't. I just
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that comment.
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes the mouth moves faster than the brain, and
Speaker 2: I have a feeling he probably was like oh, I
Speaker 2: shouldn't have said that. That's not very good at a
Speaker 2: major championship or ever. But my biggest thing is, like
Speaker 2: I just it's we got to sit back and just
Speaker 2: see what happens because we don't know enough. We're all
Speaker 2: just speculating what's gonna happen. You know. I hate the
Speaker 2: division in golf. I hate that some people over there
Speaker 2: and some other people are over here, Like I want
Speaker 2: as whether it's twelve events, fourteen events a year, the
Speaker 2: best players in the world because for the PGA Tour
Speaker 2: just on their side, Like the designated events have gone
Speaker 2: so well, they have been so exciting. We've had incredible
Speaker 2: leader boards. We've had the random, you know, long shot
Speaker 2: coming up and contending against the guys. Nick Taylor I
Speaker 2: comes to mind at Phoenix and now he wants to
Speaker 2: Kitty Bayhill, Great Kitty Yama exactly. I mean, there's some
Speaker 2: of these guys and that's why I mean, I disagree
Speaker 2: with a lot of the PGA Tours do it. I
Speaker 2: love the money, this limited field, no cut thing, I hate,
Speaker 2: it's terrible. I like the way things are. I like
Speaker 2: the openness of the PGA Tour, being able to qualify
Speaker 2: and get in the mix and having a guy that
Speaker 2: you've never heard of, or at least the average golf
Speaker 2: fan has never heard of up there competing with Roy
Speaker 2: McElroy jordan' speith on a Sunday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting times. Do you does Jay survive?
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're on the PGA Tour and you
Speaker 1: listen to what Jay said, you listen to probably what
Speaker 1: Jay was telling you, what Jay was telling your agent,
Speaker 1: what Jay was telling everybody on your team, stay loyal,
Speaker 1: there's no pathway back. The PGA Tour is the place
Speaker 1: to be and then nine to eleven human rights, all
Speaker 1: of that. So if you were still playing, would you
Speaker 1: be saying I mean, I talked to a player at
Speaker 1: the Grove Sunday before we went out to the US
Speaker 1: Open who is currently still playing on tour, and he said,
Speaker 1: I'll never believe anything anyone from Pana Vidra, from the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. J Monahan tells me again, I will never
Speaker 1: believe that this is a player that has won tournament.
Speaker 1: He has won, he's had a great career, and he said, listen,
Speaker 1: it's just going to be hard for me moving forward
Speaker 1: to believe them. So where do they go? And how
Speaker 1: do they try and get the player's confidence back.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the big question is because I
Speaker 2: mean everything took a one to eighty with that announcement,
Speaker 2: and you know, for the average guy like listen, they
Speaker 2: might have gotten a small live off for whatever it is.
Speaker 2: Like the big guys are the ones who turned down
Speaker 2: all the money and said trust us, stay with us.
Speaker 2: You know, if you leave, you can't come back all
Speaker 2: this and then all of a sudden, boom, it flips. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'd have a hard time trusting that guy, you know. Especially.
Speaker 2: Another thing he kept saying throughout this whole time is
Speaker 2: it's the player's tour, right, I'm I'm just there to
Speaker 2: run it. I go through the players. This is the
Speaker 2: player's tour. Well, you just made this decision without talking
Speaker 2: to any players. So therefore that puts a lot of
Speaker 2: doubt in the leadership. Now can they swim out of it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I probably think they can. Honestly, having Jimmy Dunn involved,
Speaker 2: which he's so close to a lot of the players,
Speaker 2: I think can can help a lot. But they got
Speaker 2: a lot of work to do. They have so much
Speaker 2: work to do to get these the trust back in
Speaker 2: these players. Does he survive? Man, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: don't even know how the hell. I don't know if
Speaker 2: the players can come together and vote him off. I
Speaker 2: don't know how any of that works. I was never
Speaker 2: on the pack or any of that, so I'm not
Speaker 2: sure how that process goes. But I just know they
Speaker 2: have a lot of work ahead of them.
Speaker 1: Nobody player, caddy, agent, manufacturer, broadcast partner, reporter, nobody knows anything.
Speaker 1: Then it comes out the Jays come down with some
Speaker 1: health issues. Nobody knows any information about that. When you're
Speaker 1: part of Live and you come back to the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour ecosystem, all you do is get questions about Live.
Speaker 1: And after the Masters, when all the guys went back
Speaker 1: to the next live event and got back into the
Speaker 1: live ecosystem, everybody that didn't go to the Masters, all
Speaker 1: the players, all the caddies, everybody was asking us, Okay.
Speaker 2: What was it like?
Speaker 1: Some of the sting and some of the the animosity
Speaker 1: in the venom was out. Because now the live guys
Speaker 1: are in the same group as the PGA Tour goes,
Speaker 1: they don't have a clue what the hell's going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think going back to a gust everybody
Speaker 2: was hoping there was gonna be this massive animosity between
Speaker 2: the guys, there'd be some scene or something happened. Dude,
Speaker 2: that's not how it is. These guys still hang out,
Speaker 2: they practice together, they play together, they still talk a lot.
Speaker 2: So I think the Masters was a big one to
Speaker 2: answer all that. Then the PGA happened and there was
Speaker 2: a little bit, But now they're like, Okay, this is
Speaker 2: two events we've played. There's been no issues, like, we
Speaker 2: don't need to talk about it this week. And I
Speaker 2: think the US Open is that range was down there
Speaker 2: and it was kind of secluded. There was no gallery
Speaker 2: members down there or anything, so guys could just sit
Speaker 2: down there and mucket up if they wanted, talk about
Speaker 2: whatever they wanted, talk about sports like and just show
Speaker 2: that like, hey, we're still friends, Like this is no
Speaker 2: big deal. He made a choice to go over here
Speaker 2: and play golf. I don't hate him for it. He
Speaker 2: made a hundred and something million dollars. Good for him.
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you take that? But you know what, now
Speaker 2: he's here this week, we can hang out like old times.
Speaker 2: I mean, Gary Woodland, who's one of my best friends
Speaker 2: in the world, played both of his practice rounds with
Speaker 2: Brooks and Dustin like, there's there's none of that between
Speaker 2: these guys. I just think there's some players that are
Speaker 2: very frustrated with the fact that they got told one
Speaker 2: thing about going over there, and now it looks like
Speaker 2: it might go the other way. But we're just gonna
Speaker 2: have to sit back and wait and see.
Speaker 1: Lastly, your podcasts, SuPAR with your cohort Drew Stoltz. Have
Speaker 1: you been surprised by the popularity and what have you
Speaker 1: liked about doing it?
Speaker 2: I really have. Yeah. I w when golf dot Com
Speaker 2: came to us, I don't know how long ago it
Speaker 2: was and said would you be interested in doing this,
Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, we'll try it and see what happens.
Speaker 2: And it's it's gone way different than I thought it would.
Speaker 2: You know. Obviously we have a great relationship with so
Speaker 2: many of the guys, but just the success of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, when I'm going up and down Fairways, people
Speaker 2: yelling Birdie juice and who's on the pod next and
Speaker 2: all this, it's great. It's I love that people are
Speaker 2: tuned in and listening to it and I have so
Speaker 2: much fun. I mean, I don't know how you feel
Speaker 2: about doing it, but it's just for me, Like I
Speaker 2: just want these guys to come in and feel like
Speaker 2: there's no microphone. It's just three dudes or two dudes
Speaker 2: in a great LPGA golfer sitting down and just chopping
Speaker 2: it up and having a good time and showing that,
Speaker 2: you know what, everyone here is just a human and
Speaker 2: we can we can have fun, we can talk about
Speaker 2: other things. But yes, I'm very surprised of how well
Speaker 2: it's gone. But it's been a it's been a blast.
Speaker 1: I mean you've got a studio. I'm doing this from
Speaker 1: my kitchen. I mean I've never felt more kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, insignificant and inferior to you with your big
Speaker 1: studio and all that. I'm doing this all on the fly.
Speaker 1: I've got shit propped up here, the cameras are going off.
Speaker 1: You don't have any of that problem.
Speaker 2: Cold Yeah, I think you're doing just fine. I wouldn't
Speaker 2: stress too much about it.
Speaker 1: Listen, I appreciate you coming on the pot. If you
Speaker 1: ever need me to come on you know subpart I
Speaker 1: will do it. But are you coming over for the British.
Speaker 2: I am not so NBC has that, so I'll be
Speaker 2: off and I'm actually gonna have two weeks off, which
Speaker 2: i haven't felt like I've done it forever, So a
Speaker 2: little downtime and then we roll through the playoffs and
Speaker 2: then I'm gonna just take a little break. I need,
Speaker 2: I need some sleep. I'm having too much fun.
Speaker 1: Well, I think you're doing a great job and continued success.
Speaker 2: Thanks Scott. I really appreciate it. Man.
Speaker 1: So that was cult ghost and listen, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: opinions from Colton and that's why I like it. But
Speaker 1: I do think that what Colt said is is something
Speaker 1: that that I think is really important. Listen, Colt is
Speaker 1: a big PGA tour guy, and rightly so. He played
Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, he broadcasts for CBS. They broadcast
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. He gets a lot of grief for
Speaker 1: his stance as someone that is pro PGA tour on
Speaker 1: social media. I don't have a problem with that. And
Speaker 1: Colt is somebody that I respect. I like his opinion.
Speaker 1: I like the fact that he has opinions. We don't
Speaker 1: know we see eye to eye, but he's certainly not
Speaker 1: somebody that I'm not going to talk to because we
Speaker 1: don't see eyed ie on what's going on with Live.
Speaker 1: I think he's informed. I think he is thoughtful in
Speaker 1: what he says, and I think there is an irreverence
Speaker 1: about what he says and his takes and opinions. And
Speaker 1: that's what I like. And that's why I think he's
Speaker 1: doing great on TV because he says things that a
Speaker 1: lot of people are thinking. And he also says things
Speaker 1: that people say, man, I can't believe you said that,
Speaker 1: And to me, that's what makes great TV. So thank
Speaker 1: him for coming on. If you don't listen to his podcast, Subpar,
Speaker 1: check it out. He's got some great guests and they've
Speaker 1: got some great shows and they're doing great stuff over there,
Speaker 1: he and his partner Drew Stoltz. If you don't listen,
Speaker 1: check it out. Keep checking out Son of a Butch.
Speaker 1: We're gonna keep getting some really really good guests, one
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