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Speaker 1: It's the Son of a Butch podcast. We come to

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Speaker 1: you every Wednesday. This week's guest cult nost You've been

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Speaker 1: seeing him on CBS. He's got his podcast subpar and

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Speaker 1: he's someone I've known for a long time, one of

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Speaker 1: the good guys on on the PGA Tour. I think

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Speaker 1: one of the reasons why he's become so successful and

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Speaker 1: become a fan favorite and has people that hate on

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Speaker 1: him on social media's because Colt is cult. If you

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Speaker 1: like him, that's okay. If you don't like him, he

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Speaker 1: doesn't care either. He's going to be who he is.

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Speaker 1: But someone who I really respect, not only as a broadcaster,

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Speaker 1: but Colt was a hell of a player. Didn't have

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Speaker 1: the big wins on the PGA Tour, obviously that I

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Speaker 1: think he would have wanted, but an unbelievable amateur career,

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Speaker 1: and you know, certainly someone that I think is going

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Speaker 1: to be around in the game of golf on the

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Speaker 1: airwaves at CBS for a very very long time time.

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Speaker 1: When I decided to do the podcast, he was somebody

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Speaker 1: that I always wanted to get on and we talked

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Speaker 1: about it at the US Open out in LA I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: will you come on we we are are stars aligned

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Speaker 1: and our dates aligned. So I'm really excited. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a great one. Lots of good things to say.

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Speaker 1: Cult Ghost Enjoy Colts joins the Son of a Books podcast.

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Speaker 1: I've never been on your podcast subpar so I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get you on mine first. Cult. With all the craziness,

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Speaker 1: we just craziness in golf. We just had the third major.

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Speaker 1: I figured who best to make sense of all this

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Speaker 1: craziness than you.

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Speaker 2: Well, first off, it was great to catch up with

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Speaker 2: you out at the US Open. Got to spend some

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Speaker 2: time with you and Dustin and AJ and Wink and

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Speaker 2: I miss you guys obviously. I know you start working

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Speaker 2: with some of the tour guys, but it's just not

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Speaker 2: the same. I always are some of my favorite people

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Speaker 2: to catch up with when we're on the range out there.

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Speaker 2: That was a blast out in LA.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Dustin Johnson. I went through. He was on

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Speaker 1: your Walker Cup team in two thousand and seven. You

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Speaker 1: guys won against Roy McElroy, Danny Willett, Royal County down

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Speaker 1: one of the iconic I'm just gonna go through the

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Speaker 1: list of the names on your Walker Cup team, Ricky

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Speaker 1: Fowler Billy Horschel, Dustin Johnson, Chris Kirk, Trip Keney, Jamie Lovemark,

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Speaker 1: Jonathan Moore, Websins, and Kyle Stanley. That was a stacked,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was so much fun. You know, we had

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Speaker 2: won over there and quite some time, so heading over there,

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Speaker 2: I had never been over there and played golf, was

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Speaker 2: looking forward to it. And you know, to put on

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Speaker 2: the red, white and blue. I don't care what level

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Speaker 2: you're at, it's something really special. And you know, to

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Speaker 2: play alternate shot with your guy Dustin Johnson. Both days.

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Speaker 2: We had so much fun out there. Man, he is

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Speaker 2: one of the biggest characters. I'll tell you a quick

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Speaker 2: story about your guy, Dustin. The first team on Saturday,

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Speaker 2: the first matchup, we're playing Roy mcelroana kid Jonathan Caldwell

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Speaker 2: and you know, they announced the matchup and Dustin. We

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Speaker 2: decided Dustin's gonna hit off the odds and they say

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Speaker 2: now representing Team USA. Dustin washed Johnson. He hit it

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Speaker 2: before they finished saying his name, and I just started laughing,

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Speaker 2: I go, what was that? He goes, bro, I'm so nervous.

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Speaker 2: I had to get that over with. He hit it

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Speaker 2: four hundred yards off the first team. It was up

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Speaker 2: that I'll never forget, I laugh, go down the fairway

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Speaker 1: Obviously, Colt. A lot of those players went on to

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Speaker 1: do some amazing things, win major championships. Jamie Lovemark was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be the next big superstar. But back then,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you you were coming, You were part of

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Speaker 1: the US AM so you guys a lot of fanfare.

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Speaker 1: Everybody knew that that was a pretty stacked, stacked group.

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Speaker 1: Who did you think out of your crew on that team,

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Speaker 1: who did you think going to be the superstar?

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Speaker 2: Back then? I think we all agreed and it was

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Speaker 2: it was Dustin. I mean not to continue just talking

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Speaker 2: I mean, he hit it nine miles, He had no fear.

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Speaker 2: we were sitting down one day just talking about it, like,

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Speaker 1: Rory McRoy was part of that crew back then. What

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Speaker 2: He was eighteen. Yeah, coming off that awesome finish at Carnoustie.

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Speaker 2: I think in the Open Championship he was with Some

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Speaker 2: him and Ricky was he was a chubby Rory. Things

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Speaker 2: just like Rory is now nice. You could see had

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Speaker 2: the game. Now, did I think he was gonna do

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Speaker 2: what he's done in the game of golf. No, So

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Speaker 2: that was a little bit of surprise. But it's going

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Speaker 2: to look back and see that you know, I've known

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Speaker 1: What do you think separates You know, there have been

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Speaker 1: Is there a common theme? I mean, obviously Rory won

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Speaker 2: Well, like all of them have great physical talent. It's

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Speaker 2: professional golf is just a different level for me. When

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Speaker 2: it takes a while. Like Matt Coocher is in a

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Speaker 1: You talk about confidence and cockiness. Wyndam Clark, who I

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Speaker 1: The confidence and I think that is a is a huge,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his his sports, like I mean, that's

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Speaker 2: With the guys like Dustin. He was in the final

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Speaker 2: Juliaelion has done some awesome work with him to get

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Speaker 1: Why do you think it took him a little longer

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Speaker 2: He was one of those guys, like you said, he

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Speaker 2: I mean it took basically what his team calls it,

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Speaker 2: his own best friend. Now. His caddie, John Allis, does

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Speaker 1: What do you think having a play a guy on

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Speaker 2: because I mean they throw it down there. You get

429
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Speaker 2: to give information and then boom, it's onto the next shot.

430
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Speaker 2: But at the same time they're like, oh, tell us

431
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Speaker 2: a story. I'm like, well, I can't tell a story

432
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Speaker 2: in five six seconds, but yeah you. And one thing

433
00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,080
Speaker 2: I have noticed is a lot more people chime in

434
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,360
Speaker 2: on social media. Some good, but you do recognize the positive.

435
00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 2: There are a lot of people out there that shut up,

436
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 2: I'm the worst thing they've ever heard on TV. That's fine,

437
00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:46,480
Speaker 2: that's their opinion. Hit the mute button. But you mentioned like,

438
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,119
Speaker 2: you don't realize how fast it goes. I did the

439
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 2: serious XM coverage at the US Open, and I was

440
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: the lead analyst, and I got serious. I mean it's radio,

441
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:56,640
Speaker 2: so you get to talk just NonStop. It was fantastic.

442
00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,280
Speaker 2: I had so much fun. Yeah, I didn't want to

443
00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,560
Speaker 2: shut up. I was like this, this is great. We

444
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 2: can talk over the shot. Just keep on rolling.

445
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Speaker 1: It's been We're three majors in now. John Rahm wins

446
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,679
Speaker 1: the Masters, Brooks wins the PGA. Now Wyndam Clark wins

447
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 1: the US Open. Which one of those wins have been

448
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Speaker 1: the most impressive to you.

449
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Speaker 2: I mean they're all three extremely impressive. Obviously Windham it's

450
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Speaker 2: a life changer, John Ron Brooks Koepka. They're meant to

451
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Speaker 2: win majors. John's was impressive at the Masters because of

452
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Speaker 2: the wave he was in. He had to play in

453
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Speaker 2: those terrible conditions that one morning, and to go out

454
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Speaker 2: there and do it, I mean when everyone else was

455
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Speaker 2: just falling apart. And then Brooks, I mean, you know, eventually,

456
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Speaker 2: I'm sure we're gonna get into this whole lift thing.

457
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Speaker 2: Which that's what kind of what I get it. It

458
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Speaker 2: is what it is. I said, going into Augusta and

459
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Speaker 2: No one listens to me or anything about that, and

460
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,879
Speaker 2: they don't have to. That's fine. But when Brooks won

461
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Speaker 2: in Orlando, I said, the healthy Brooks Koepka is a

462
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 2: problem in major championships. He is just, you know, talking

463
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Speaker 2: to other guys, talking to some of the best in

464
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Speaker 2: the world. They are blown away by what Brooks does

465
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Speaker 2: in major championships. It is truly unbelievable. And what I

466
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 2: saw in Orlando, it looked like the knee was great.

467
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,560
Speaker 2: Everything I mean, obviously, I know everyone on his team

468
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: sounded like everything was great. I said, I would not

469
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Speaker 2: surprise me one bit if he's a factor. At Augusta.

470
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Speaker 2: He was obviously a huge factor. Finished a second, and

471
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Speaker 2: then he goes to the PGA and I got to

472
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Speaker 2: walk with him on Saturday, him and Bryson, and he

473
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Speaker 2: just put on a clinic and he just ran away

474
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Speaker 2: from that field. And I don't know, you know way

475
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Speaker 2: more about it than I do, but I and I

476
00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 2: don't think he'll ever share the secret. I know he

477
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,160
Speaker 2: broke down that one time about why he thinks major

478
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Speaker 2: championships are easier to win, But it's just so impressive

479
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 2: that he puts himself up there every single time, and

480
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 2: then of course I go out and I pick him

481
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Speaker 2: at La Country Club and he plays horrible for him

482
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Speaker 2: and finished the seventeenth. So I'll take that one.

483
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Speaker 1: At one time, you both shared the same agent, Blake Smith,

484
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Speaker 1: who's also Scotti Shuffler's agent. When you look at Brooks,

485
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know him well, You've spent a lot

486
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Speaker 1: of time around him. You obviously we know the mental

487
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 1: strength in the that that extra thing that he has.

488
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Speaker 1: But when you look at Brooks's game, what do you

489
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Speaker 1: like about it? And what do you what what impresses

490
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: you and what you've known him for a long time,

491
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Speaker 1: and what have you seen over the course of the

492
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Speaker 1: last ten years about how his game has evolved.

493
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Speaker 2: Nothing bothers him like I mean, he wants the biggest

494
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Speaker 2: moment possible. He wants all the lights to be on him,

495
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 2: and I just love how he just gets up there

496
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 2: and he just sends it. He does not hold back

497
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 2: one bit. Him and Ricky Elliott, they are two of them.

498
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean they make decisions faster than anybody in the game,

499
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Speaker 2: which which I love. And also he has no weaknesses

500
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: and you can see it in his eyes. I mean,

501
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: he is a man on the on a mission. He's

502
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 2: a he's an athlete. Like I said, he loves the

503
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Speaker 2: stage and he goes out there and he performs. I mean,

504
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: I know it bothered him a lot what happened at

505
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Speaker 2: Augusta on Sunday, How he let that one get away

506
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: and he said it will never happen again. And it

507
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 2: only took a few weeks for him to prove that statement, right.

508
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 1: I think one of the things, and you've seen it

509
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: up close, I think one of the things that just

510
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: changed a lot about Brooks's I don't think he gets

511
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 1: nearly enough credit for how good he is. From one

512
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty and in he can really hit. I mean, obviously,

513
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 1: to me, Justin Thomas is the best in the game,

514
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: and it isn't even close with regards to wet shots,

515
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: off speed, web shots, controlling trajectory, controlling the spin. But

516
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: Brooks is sneaky good in the ability to flight and

517
00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 1: hit that kind of no spin one bouncer that just

518
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 1: kind of stays in the area that he needs to stay.

519
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a part of his game that has

520
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: gotten better. And then I think he's very underrated the

521
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: work that he's done with Pete Cowen Brooks short game

522
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 1: is pretty legit as well.

523
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Speaker 2: It really is. And I mean, if you look at

524
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Speaker 2: his major championship record again, I believe going into last

525
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Speaker 2: week he was he had eighteen top tens and thirty

526
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Speaker 2: six majors. Five of those are wins, obviously, but how

527
00:24:57,920 --> 00:24:59,760
Speaker 2: many of those were he actually healthy? I mean there's

528
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: sick seven eight of those where he was he was

529
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 2: not one hundred percent Brooks Koepka, So you can kind

530
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,159
Speaker 2: of throw those out the window. And so when you

531
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,719
Speaker 2: break it down, you're looking at that around sixty five percent.

532
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: He puts himself in attention at major championships, and then

533
00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 2: there was the ones early in his career where he

534
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 2: definitely didn't have the skill that he does now. So

535
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: you got to give him credit about his major championship record.

536
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,400
Speaker 2: It is. It is truly something special. And when other

537
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 2: players text you and you're and tell you how amazing,

538
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: how amazed they are of how good he is during

539
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 2: those championships, it's something truly special.

540
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Speaker 1: You live in Scottsdale, John Rahm lives out there. You

541
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Speaker 1: can make an argument cold I wonder how John rom

542
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Speaker 1: doesn't win every week. I mean, that is how good

543
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Speaker 1: he is. I've had his coach, Dave Phillips from the

544
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: Titleist Performance Institute on the pod in the past. We've

545
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: talked about it. He is so good. I'm sure you

546
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: probably see him a lot in Scottsdale and play and stuff.

547
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 1: He doesn't have any weaknesses in my opinion. So what

548
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: wrests you about him as a player From a technique

549
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: and ball striking standpoint.

550
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: It just looks like the same shot every single time.

551
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,880
Speaker 2: Like with the driver, he sets up down the left,

552
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: hits that just hard fade. He's really good at changing trajectories,

553
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: which I don't think everyone is. And then his iron game,

554
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 2: I mean the ball just barely curves. If anything. He

555
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,400
Speaker 2: just throws darts at all times. But he's another guy

556
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: like Brooks. He's got that killer instinct. It doesn't matter

557
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 2: if your Sunday have a major championship or Tuesday at

558
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,840
Speaker 2: Whisper Rock or Silver Leaf and he's playing for fifty bucks,

559
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: he wants to absolutely kill you. Oh.

560
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Speaker 1: Pat Perez says he throws more clubs at home when

561
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Speaker 1: he hits a bad shot. Pat says he has to.

562
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Speaker 1: When they play at silver Leaf, he says, if they're

563
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 1: playing for money at least three times around. He's got

564
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Speaker 1: to go into the middle of the desert and go

565
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 1: get his driver, Go get an iron, go get the putter,

566
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Speaker 1: because he just flings it because he gets so mad

567
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Speaker 1: at home.

568
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Speaker 2: It is hilarious. It's great. And when we play now

569
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: he has to give me two a side and so

570
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 2: when I par my stroke, call and let him know

571
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 2: that that's four for three. That really gets the Spaniard

572
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Speaker 2: fired up.

573
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Speaker 1: Wyndham Clark A. I mean it was a dominant, impressive

574
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Speaker 1: performance as you mentioned Scotty Scheffler, Ricky Rory. How how

575
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Speaker 1: good can he be?

576
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 2: Colt?

577
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: And is he now somebody that we are going to

578
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: start seeing in major championships for the next five years

579
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Speaker 1: like we see you know, Scotty and DJ and Cam

580
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: Smith and all these other great players. Is Wyndham now

581
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Speaker 1: do you think he's going to be that guy?

582
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: Now? It'll be interesting to see how good he can get.

583
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Speaker 2: You know, when he was in contention at Quail Hollow

584
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Speaker 2: earlier this year, I said on CBS, I said, you know,

585
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: in my opinion, this guy's underachieved in his career. He

586
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,439
Speaker 2: was ranked eightieth in the world, hadn't won yet. Like

587
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,479
Speaker 2: I just I see all the tools, and I think

588
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,439
Speaker 2: he's a top twenty player in the world. And of

589
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,199
Speaker 2: course the haters on social media absolutely abused me for

590
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 2: that and said he hadn't done anything to show that.

591
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,200
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, listen, I get to see these

592
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 2: guys every single week, and when you play with Wyndham Clark,

593
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,200
Speaker 2: you're impressed. That's all I know. So if he ever believe,

594
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: if ever realizes how good he is, I think he's

595
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: gonna be really good in this game. Now, the Major

596
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 2: Championship happened faster than I thought it would. He's up

597
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: to thirteenth in the world. I'm with a lot of

598
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: people in this The world rankings are absolutely ridiculous. So

599
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know how much I look

600
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: into that, but here's a guy. He's gonna be on

601
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup team this year. You know his confidence

602
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: is going to continue to grow. Can he be a

603
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,120
Speaker 2: multiple time major champion? Yeah? Could he go the rest

604
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: of his career and only win one? Sure? That's how

605
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,280
Speaker 2: good everyone out there is. I mean, if you would

606
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 2: have told me at the start of Sergios Garcia's career

607
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:34,960
Speaker 2: he'd have one major championship, what would you have said,

608
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 2: you're out of your mind.

609
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, when he came out, you would have thought he

610
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: would have at least three or four.

611
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's that's just how hard it is to win.

612
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 2: And I think that's just another tip of the Captain Brooks.

613
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 2: To have five in this era is really special.

614
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 1: Rory McIlroy one shot back. Where are we with Rory?

615
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: He hasn't won a major in nine years. I to me,

616
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: there's about three or four guys that you can make

617
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: an argument for John rom being one of them. Brooks

618
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: DJ right now, I think you've got to throw Scotti

619
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,479
Speaker 1: Scheffler in that mix. When they're playing at their best,

620
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: they're hard to beat. But out of all that crew,

621
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: when Rory McElroy plays his best, he to me, he

622
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: makes the game look as easy as anyone. It's been

623
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Speaker 1: nine years since he's won a major. Do you think

624
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: it's affecting him? Do you think he's running into guys

625
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: that are playing better than he is. I mean, he's

626
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 1: had legit chances cult in the last three tournaments he's

627
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: played in, especially at Memorial, especially at RBC, we're seeing

628
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: Rory not get it done in ways where we've seen

629
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: him close and expect him to close in the past.

630
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the one that baffles me the most. I mean,

631
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: like you said, watching him play the game when he

632
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 2: is on, it just doesn't look fair. The way he

633
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 2: drives the golf ball, it is the It's the biggest

634
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: weapon in the game of golf in my opinion. You know,

635
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: he Cam Smith shot an unbelievable final round at Saint

636
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: Andrews last year at the Open. Would Rory go back

637
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: and probably say he played a little safe, I would

638
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 2: have to say he would, But still Cam played a

639
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: great round. But that's one he definitely should have won.

640
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 2: You know, last week at the US Open, made nothing

641
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 2: on Sunday. That's kind of the thing we've seen over

642
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: the last couple of years as he struggled with the putter.

643
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 2: But to be fair, there was not many putts hold

644
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: on Sunday at the US Open in the last few groups.

645
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 2: Those greens got so nasty. But I just think there's

646
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: so much pressure on Rory with everything, and even before

647
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 2: all this other stuff happened. I mean, he's one of

648
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 2: the most popular players in the game. We expect so

649
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: much from him. He won four major championships so quickly.

650
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 2: Now he hasn't won one in his last thirty three attempts.

651
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: But he's just that guy. Every single time a major

652
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 2: comes around, it's like, is this gonna be the week?

653
00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 2: Is this gonna be the week? He went to the

654
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: Masters this year early, got a lot of work in

655
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: fell he was ready, went out and missed the cut,

656
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: and I know it took a lot out of him.

657
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 1: But there isn't a cult. There isn't a golf course

658
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 1: on this planet that is designed better for Rory McElroy

659
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: than Augusta National it is. I mean, if you could

660
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 1: draw up a golf course to suit every element of

661
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: his game, his ability to turn the golf ball from

662
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 1: right to left, his ability, I mean, he can hit

663
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 1: it as high probably. I mean, the only person that

664
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: I've seen hit it that high with mid to long

665
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: irons was Tiger in the day. Rory can hit a

666
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: four iron that looks like a like a sixty degree lobwtch.

667
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,800
Speaker 1: It just goes straight up and lands straight down. Augusta

668
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: to me, is the perfect place for him to win

669
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: every single year because of the way his game is.

670
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: Why do you think, I mean, it's been funny for

671
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: me to watch this kind of war rivalry back and

672
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 1: forth between him and Greg Norman, because if you look

673
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: get Greg and Rory's careers, believe it or not, they're

674
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: very very similar. Number One, they are the dominant players

675
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: of their era. They dominate by the driver. Everyone thinks

676
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: they are underachieving relative to the talent they've got. You know,

677
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: Rory's won four Majors. Everybody thinks he should have won ten.

678
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: Greg's won two, everybody thinks he should have won more.

679
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: They've kind of they've.

680
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: Won all over the world.

681
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: They both have the same type of private jet. I mean,

682
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: it's been interesting. They both haven't been able to get

683
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: it done at Augusta Nashville, which again Greg's game in

684
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 1: his prime. You couldn't find a better golf course for

685
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 1: Greg Norman. Yeah.

686
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: For Rory, obviously, he had the league going into the

687
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: second nine there, you know, six seven, eight years ago,

688
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: and he had the disaster when he Snapp pooped it

689
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 2: on ten and it went into the cabins over there,

690
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 2: and that obviously I think left some scar tissue. But

691
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 2: starting to look at Augusta National more and more with Rory, Yeah,

692
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: off the team absolutely per long. Part three's no problem.

693
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,240
Speaker 2: But you know, being out there. When he drives it good,

694
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: he has so many short irons, and that is the

695
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: one weakness in his game in my opinion, when things

696
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: get a little off, is he hits some really poor

697
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: short irons and wedges, and in Augusta National the sections

698
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: you have to hit it into are so small, and

699
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 2: so when he misses, he leaves himself in a really

700
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,400
Speaker 2: bad spot. That's the only thing I can think of

701
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 2: of why he struggles there, because for the last decade

702
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: I've always been like, Okay, I don't understand how he

703
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: doesn't win here every single time as well. But when

704
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,480
Speaker 2: I started breaking it down a little more, I'm like, okay,

705
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 2: that kind of makes sense if you missed the Bowl

706
00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 2: here on seven or seventeen, like you can get in

707
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: a spot where you're in a lot of trouble. But

708
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: I just don't understand how when his career is over

709
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: he doesn't have at least one green jacket.

710
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: I mean, you would think of and are there are

711
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: players cold as you know? I mean now that you're

712
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: working at you know, you work at Augusta National. I mean,

713
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: it's such a privilege to be a part of that broadcast.

714
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:06,840
Speaker 1: There are players that everybody knows will be unbelievable Masters

715
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: champions right, And I think Rory McElroy to me, out

716
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: of everybody in the game, for him to dawn a

717
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: green jacket, he would be an amazing ambassador for that tournament.

718
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: Oh one hundred percent. I think he's gonna get it

719
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 2: done at some point. But at the end of the day,

720
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: it is it is so tough to win out there.

721
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: I think he puts so much pressure on himself going

722
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 2: into that week. Obviously he needs it for the career

723
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 2: Grand Slam. He needs it to shut everybody up about

724
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: him not being able to finish it off there. You know,

725
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: he the year before last one, Scotty Cheffler won. He

726
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: had the amazing final round hold the bunker shot in eighteen.

727
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 2: It finished second, but he was never really close. I

728
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: mean he was that bucker shot got him within four

729
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: or five. He needed to have Scotty have a disaster

730
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: coming in. But yeah, I'm with you, I would be

731
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 2: shocked if he doesn't get one before his career is over.

732
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: Do we see him? I mean, I can't see a

733
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: way that he He's not in the mix going to

734
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: Hoylake for the Open Championship, the last major of this year.

735
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,319
Speaker 1: What do you like about the Open Championship? What do

736
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: you like about Links golf? What don't you like about

737
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: Links golf?

738
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,479
Speaker 2: Well, the only thing I didn't like about Links golf

739
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 2: is when you got on the wrong side of the wave,

740
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: because you know, it's just it's an awesome thing about

741
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: that tournament how everyone tees off number one, but there

742
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: are just some years where if you teed off in

743
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 2: a certain way, you had no chance of winning. That's

744
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 2: the only thing that is bad about it. Other than that,

745
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: the Open Championship might be the greatest tournament in golf.

746
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: I mean, those fans over there, they get it. You

747
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 2: get to play on some of the most historic golf courses.

748
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: The scene coming up eighteen is the best in golf.

749
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: You know, that massive horseshoe grand stand, the big yellow scoreboard.

750
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 2: When it's twenty nineteen, when Shane Lowry won, I mean,

751
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 2: was there a better scene in the game of golf?

752
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 2: Him coming through the crowd, knowing it was over in

753
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: his home country, arms in the air. That was just cool. Man.

754
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 2: I get goosebumps just thinking about Shane going through there

755
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 2: and then just absolutely putting the Cleric jet through torture

756
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 2: for two years.

757
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: I like that you've got a fan, You're you're part

758
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: of the CBS broadcast team. One of my close close friends,

759
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: one of my boys, Trevor Emmlman's part of your team.

760
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: Now you've got jim Nantz, who just I mean, the

761
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: guy is just as a broadcaster, it's you've got to

762
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: have goosebumps where the first time you're at AUGUSSA, you're

763
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: you've got your headset on and jim Nantz comes through

764
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: and you're listening to the broadcast and that whole hello

765
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: friends thing. I mean. To work with the crew that

766
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: you've got, it's got to be pretty cool for you

767
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: because you and and I think the relationship that you

768
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: and Amanda now have that kind of cool moment that

769
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: you guys had at Waste Management, And I mentioned this,

770
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: I think you're part of this new breed of golf.

771
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: But you've got so many veterans on your team at CBS.

772
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: What's the experience been like for you and and what

773
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: have you really really liked about it?

774
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 2: Well? First off, like this was never a plan of

775
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 2: mine in my life was to be a broadcaster. I

776
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 2: had no idea that this would ever happen. I'll still

777
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: never forget. When I got the call from CBS about

778
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 2: doing a couple events, I was like, yeah, I guess,

779
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 2: I mean, I got nothing else to do. I'll give

780
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: it a try. And it has been such an awesome experience.

781
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 2: Like you said, Jim Nance, I mean Jim Nantz has

782
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 2: been with cbsins nineteen eighty five. That's the year I

783
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: was born. So I've listened to him my entire life.

784
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 2: And now the fact that I work alongside him and

785
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: he sends it down and asked me a question. It

786
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 2: seriously is a pinch me moment every single It's not

787
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: just Augusta, it's everywhere. The first time he ever did

788
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 2: it was the PGA Championship at Kiowa Island. That was

789
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: my first real CBS event, and I was just like,

790
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 2: oh my god, this just happened. It is It's really cool.

791
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 2: But you know the relationship with Amanda. You got to

792
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 2: give our producer Sellers Shy a lot of credit for

793
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,760
Speaker 2: that idea to put that set on sixteen at Waste Management,

794
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: and then to have Sam Ryder make a hole in one,

795
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: It's like, couldn't have drawn it up any better. Trevor.

796
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: You know him and I have a great relationship. I

797
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: had agree relationship with Nick as well, but you know,

798
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 2: Trevor and I are a little closer in age. We

799
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 2: love talking golf, we love having fun. Frank Nabolo is

800
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 2: my guy. I mean, we just absolutely abuse each other

801
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 2: out there. Fincy one of the best to ever do it.

802
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:16,320
Speaker 2: He's been out there forever. And then you have Dottie

803
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: and Mark as well, who have been so great to

804
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: me and taught me so many things because I had

805
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 2: no idea what the hell I was doing, and they've

806
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: been great mentors to me. But you know, like I

807
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 2: said earlier, I know I'm not for everyone. I'm one

808
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 2: of the youngest to ever do this do this role

809
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: in professional golf, and I want to make it fun.

810
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: It's a show. It's supposed to be entertaining. What the

811
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: guys are doing out there that you're watching. That's the

812
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: serious stuff. I think. I know when it's time to

813
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: be serious. But at the end of the day, like

814
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 2: I want people to be entertained. I want them to

815
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, what is col gonna say next? I mean,

816
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 2: you look at the most successful shows in sports right now,

817
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 2: there's two, in my opinion, Pat McAfee, who just says

818
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,800
Speaker 2: whatever the hell he wants, and he has one of

819
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: the biggest shows on the planet. And then NBA on

820
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 2: DNT with Charles, Kenny, Jack and Ernie. I mean, I

821
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:06,840
Speaker 2: don't evenally like the NBA, but I tune in to

822
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,840
Speaker 2: listen to that because they are so funny, they're so loose,

823
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: and that's what people want to hear, and I'm just

824
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: trying to bring more of that to golf.

825
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: It always takes me a little bit when I'm on

826
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: TV to try and not sound like I'm trying to

827
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: be on TV, because that's really really hard, and I

828
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: think it is hard to kind of find your voice,

829
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 1: find your own personality when you're on TV, because, like

830
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: you said, we've all watched broadcast television forever, We've all

831
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 1: watched golf forever, and I think you came in. I

832
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: think one of the reasons why you've been successful and

833
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 1: why you know some people don't like it is you

834
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: kind of take the approach that I think you always

835
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 1: kind of talk about what's happening in golf, like we

836
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: would be talking about what somebody's doing on the range,

837
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: minus the fact that you can't swear on yeah, you know,

838
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: regular TV. But I think one of the things I

839
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: like about which you there was this I can't remember

840
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: where we were, but I was watching you. I think

841
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: we were at Congare a couple of years ago and

842
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: you were on course and you were going back and

843
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 1: forth and you were talking to Nick and you asked

844
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 1: Nick a question and he didn't answer it, and live

845
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: on air you went, well, okay then, and I thought

846
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 1: it was just perfect. And I thought, of all the people,

847
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,319
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you've got to call him. I mean,

848
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: do you call him sir Nick or do you call

849
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: him Nick?

850
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: No? Absolutely not. I always called him Nick. I was like,

851
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 2: I'm not calling you, sir. I know that's your My.

852
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: Dad said the same thing last he was doing he

853
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: did Sky and Nick was doing Sky at Augusta and

854
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: my dad said, Man, I'm not calling this guy sir.

855
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 2: No, no chance, absolutely not no. But like I mean,

856
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 2: like you said, one of the best pieces of advice

857
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 2: I got was from the longtime legendary producer at CBS,

858
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 2: Lance Berrow, and I first got to know him. He

859
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: would always come out to Wist brock Ter and Phoenix

860
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: Open and want to come in and hang out. And

861
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 2: I would sit with him at lunch occasionally, and you know,

862
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 2: you know how I am. I talk to everyone that

863
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: walks in the door, hold court, whatever it is. And

864
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,840
Speaker 2: he goes, this is what I want you to be

865
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: on TV. He goes, I want the WISP person sitting

866
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 2: at the lunch table at Whisp Brock to be that

867
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: on CBS. And I'm like, I actually think. I was like,

868
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 2: that's hard to do. And then finally I started getting

869
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: a lot more comfortable and just realizing, you know what

870
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm gonna talk just the way I am. Like,

871
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 2: you know, Trevor and I go back and forth. We

872
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: take jabs at each other all the time. I always

873
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: congratulate him on finishing runner up at the President's Cup.

874
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: It's it's just it's it's supposed to be fun. Like

875
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 2: get I wake up every day so excited to go

876
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: to work, and I never want to lose that in

877
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 2: a in a in a world today where you have

878
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 2: to be so careful with what you say, because I mean,

879
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 2: you can get canceled at any moment if you offend anyone.

880
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that terrifies me a little bit.

881
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 2: But man, I'm just gonna let it all hang out, like,

882
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: I want to enjoy this as long as I can,

883
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: and when when I'm all finished with this career, I

884
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: hopefully go down as one of the best to ever

885
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 2: do it.

886
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: Do you think that we need this in golf, that

887
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 1: we need the broadcast to maybe change a little bit

888
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: from what it has been And you mentioned that, you know,

889
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 1: seller show put you and Amanda on the sixteenth hole

890
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: at waste Management, I mean all of the stuff happening there.

891
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: Do you think that the broadcast needs to change to

892
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: bring in new viewers?

893
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we want to get younger, right, you

894
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: want to get younger viewers. And I have all kinds

895
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: of opinions. I've only done this for a couple of years,

896
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: and so I don't know if anybody would listen to me,

897
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: but I get it. In a day where everyone wants

898
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: they want to see more shots, more shots, more shots,

899
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 2: that's fine, but God's boring, and we need to tell

900
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 2: more about these guys. And even if we just show

901
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: brooks Kepka hit a shot, and I've got a great

902
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 2: story about brooks Kepka that takes longer than six seconds,

903
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 2: even if it goes into the next shot, like I

904
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,479
Speaker 2: don't understand why I can't continue to say it because

905
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 2: it's relevant at the time, Like, that's not taking away

906
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: from Scotti Scheffler hitting seven iron from one to eighty

907
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: on the next hole. If he holds it, well, that's

908
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,160
Speaker 2: just really bad luck for me that I was talking

909
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: over it. But yeah, I think I think the broadcast

910
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 2: does need to change a little bit. I think it

911
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 2: needs to be looser. I think there needs to be

912
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 2: you know, they always say, I mean you you listen

913
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: to what the public says. They want more shots, but

914
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 2: they want more information on the guys. That's pretty damn

915
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 2: hard to do. You know. In my role, I'm out

916
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: there on the range every day talking with you guys.

917
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 2: I get some great stuff. I know what I can

918
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,799
Speaker 2: use and I know what I can't use. And I

919
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 2: think the viewer at home would be fascinated to hear

920
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 2: some of the stuff that those guys share with me.

921
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I think that one of the things. Uh,

922
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a fine line because you know,

923
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: you're down there, and I always think that those of

924
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: us that are not doing TV and there for the

925
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: tournaments and stuff, if you are going to say something,

926
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 1: I think those of us as coaches, as caddies, and

927
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: you know, I can't speak for Flayers, but I'm guessing

928
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: they're the same. If you're going to say something about

929
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 1: a player or about what they're working on, it stuff,

930
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: I think it lends more credibility to do it the

931
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: way you do it, where you're trying to get information

932
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: from the people on the team, You're trying to get

933
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: information from the players. You're trying to get the real

934
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: time information. Whereas your brandle has always taken more of

935
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 1: the Peter alis mold. He doesn't want to get friendly

936
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: with the players, he doesn't want to come to the range.

937
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to It's he he doesn't want to

938
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: have his view skewed by other information. How do you

939
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: balance that? Because I do think that if you are

940
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: going to talk, you need to talk from a position

941
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: of strength. You need to talk from a position of knowledge.

942
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 2: So that's one thing I get asked a lot is like,

943
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 2: how do you balance you know, being a working relationship

944
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: and a friendly relationship. And I'm so new from quitting

945
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 2: this game that I mean all these a lot of

946
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 2: these guys are still my best friends in the world.

947
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 2: That's who I hang out with when I'm on the road,

948
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 2: and so I'm very careful of If someone gives me

949
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 2: something and I think it's interesting, I'll ask if I

950
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 2: can use it. There is no doubt about it. And

951
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 2: that's why when I follow Dust and I follow Brooks, like,

952
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 2: I'm texting you and asking you for inner any information,

953
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 2: because I want to know that my information is correct.

954
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: I don't want to just go out there and guess

955
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: and be like, hey, this is what I think he's

956
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 2: working on. Like why do that when I can text

957
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 2: Claude Harmon and be like, this is what they're working on,

958
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,959
Speaker 2: and so let's look for that today. If that makes sense,

959
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 2: I think.

960
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: You need I mean personally, I think you need to

961
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: do that. I think if you're gonna if you're gonna

962
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: talk about what's going on, you better kind of have

963
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: a good idea as to what the guys are trying

964
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: to do and what they're wanting to do. What have

965
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: you found hard about the role Cole, anything that you've

966
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: found hard, because it looks like it's all really really

967
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: easy to you.

968
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 2: You know, Ever since I got to go down on

969
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: the ground, it's it's felt pretty easy for the most part,

970
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 2: you know, I still, you know, do all my homework

971
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: and everything. But I think the thing you go back

972
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: to is, you know, just you never want to cross

973
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 2: that line. You know. I still go out to dinner

974
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 2: with Justin Jordan and those guys when I'm on the road,

975
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: and they treat me normal. But at the same time,

976
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: I know, I hope they know that they can trust me.

977
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: And then I'm now are gonna be like, oh, you

978
00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: wouldn't believe what he said at dinner last night, and

979
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: just throw somebody under the bus, because at the end

980
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: of the day, those friendships and relationships are much more

981
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: important than me, you know, saying something that I think

982
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 2: will get me some clicks out in the media world.

983
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: That's that's my number one thing. But for the most part,

984
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 2: everything's been great. Man. The guys are great, great to me.

985
00:46:19,480 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 2: I mean, like I said, going to the range at

986
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 2: the US Open, you know, I'm always gonna be out there.

987
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be seen. Whether they want to talk to me,

988
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 2: that's up to them, but I'm not shy to go

989
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: up say hi, good luck, and then if a conversation

990
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 2: breaks out, it's great, And I think that just helps

991
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: me do my job better, you know, I don't know

992
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 2: if I helped them relax it all or not. But

993
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: you know there's times when Ricky on Saturday I'll never forget,

994
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 2: went up and him and his him and his caddie

995
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 2: who I've known forever. We started talking and his caddie,

996
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Ricky Romano, is a member at Mesa Country Club here

997
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:48,560
Speaker 2: in Scottsdale. And I said, you know, I got to

998
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 2: play Mesa Country Club for the first time the other day,

999
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: and it just turned into this conversation. Ricky midwarm up,

1000
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: turned around, He's like, oh, what'd you think all this?

1001
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: He goes tell me more about it, and I could

1002
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: see Sam mcnott and just staring at me, like go away,

1003
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 2: and I'm like, dude, he started this conversation. I'm just

1004
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 2: sitting here. Please don't kill me. But man, yeah, everything's

1005
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 2: been so great, Like CBS is like when we're talking

1006
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:13,839
Speaker 2: about scheduling everything. I was like, look, guys, I'll work

1007
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:16,480
Speaker 2: every week. I really do. I love it that much.

1008
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 2: It is so much fun to go out there, and

1009
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 2: it's crazy now to get recognized more for this than

1010
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 2: when I actually played out there on the PGA tour.

1011
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 1: We couldn't have you on colt without asking your opinion

1012
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: on all the craziness of the last two weeks, the

1013
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: supposed merger between the PIF and the PGA Tour and

1014
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: Live Did you did you see this coming?

1015
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 2: Did you? Did you?

1016
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Did you think it would happen? No?

1017
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: I didn't. I mean, I think when that news came

1018
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: out that morning, I think we all thought it was

1019
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,759
Speaker 2: a joke, just because there was no talk of it

1020
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 2: or anything like this. And hearing everything Jay had to say, Like,

1021
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 2: I've been a huge j Monahan fan. He has been

1022
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 2: great to me. I thought he did a great job.

1023
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: And now without everything that happens, obviously he's been very

1024
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 2: hypocritical with everything that The stance he took in Canada

1025
00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: last year when he was in the booth with Jim

1026
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 2: Nance was obviously extremely aggressive and saying, you know, have

1027
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: have you ever had to apologize for being on the

1028
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: PGA Tour and then turning the one eighty and saying

1029
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: we're gonna merge and we're gonna be you know, supported

1030
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 2: by the p IF. It was it was shocking. You know,

1031
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 2: there's still so much I think that we have to

1032
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 2: learn and figure out what's gonna what's gonna happen. I

1033
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 2: know there was a meeting just recently at Travelers where

1034
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: players came out and obviously there there wasn't as much tension,

1035
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,799
Speaker 2: but there's still they have no answers, which I think

1036
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: is the biggest problem. I think this this announcement got rushed.

1037
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 2: I don't know if they thought it was gonna get

1038
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: leaked or what it was, but it was so rushed.

1039
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:43,920
Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that no one knew about it

1040
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 2: but other than three or four people is really surprising

1041
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 2: in today's world. But to come out and just say, hey,

1042
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 2: we're merging. We don't really know our plan, but here

1043
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: we go. I know that Roff lied a lot of

1044
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: feathers the wrong way. Considering, like you said, I mean, well,

1045
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 2: if you like it or not, lives there and lives

1046
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 2: got Infinity money, and a lot of the guys turned

1047
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: down massive contracts that they could have went over there

1048
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: and made hundreds of millions of dollars. And then now,

1049
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 2: if it works the way people were thinking is they

1050
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 2: get to come back and see it on the PGA tour.

1051
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 2: There's gonna be some pissed off people if that happens,

1052
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: And I get it, you know, my whole stance the

1053
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 2: entire time is I want the best players in the

1054
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 2: world playing together as much as possible. You know, I

1055
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,879
Speaker 2: don't know what the behind the scenes like Phil Mickelson did,

1056
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 2: like I mean, obviously he's been very outspoken about it.

1057
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 2: Him and I talked at the US Open. I don't

1058
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 2: know what their books look like. I don't know any

1059
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 2: of that stuff. That's not me. I'm just I'm a

1060
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 2: golf fan. I work in golf, I work on the

1061
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: PGA Tour. I'm a fan, and I just want to

1062
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 2: see these guys out there. Like I said earlier, I

1063
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 2: missed seeing Dustin and a aj out there. I want

1064
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: to see these guys battling it out. People give me

1065
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 2: a shit all the time about saying how I'm a

1066
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 2: PGA Tour shield. Listen, that's the tour I cover. But

1067
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 2: I'm also, at the end of the day, a golf fan.

1068
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 2: I walked with Brooks and Bryson Saturday at the PGA.

1069
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 2: I sold sellers, give it to me, I'll go with them.

1070
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: And I called it just like I would any other thing.

1071
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: I called it when they hit great shots, I called

1072
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 2: it when they hit bad shots. I made jokes here

1073
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 2: and there that I did my job, and I will

1074
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: always do my job. But if someone asked me my opinion,

1075
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm also gonna give it. And I just think it

1076
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: sucks in today's world when you give an opinion and

1077
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 2: someone disagrees with it, they think you're the biggest scum

1078
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 2: on the on the planet. Like, like you and I

1079
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 2: are friends. We don't agree about everything, but we're still friends.

1080
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 2: Like what's wrong with that? We disagree on things all

1081
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 2: the time, but at the end of the day we

1082
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 2: can go share a beer and dinner and still get

1083
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 2: along great.

1084
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:37,880
Speaker 1: Pre the announcement, did you, I mean, obviously being a

1085
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: did you watch any of the live stuff? Did you

1086
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: watch any of the tournaments?

1087
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 2: I've watched. I don't watch every single round, but I

1088
00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: at some point in the week I have tuned in

1089
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: and watched a part part of it. Listen, there's a

1090
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 2: lot of great players out there. Am I the biggest

1091
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 2: fan of the format? No? Do? I?

1092
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: Okay, So, so, having watched it, are there things that

1093
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: you like about it and things that you don't like

1094
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: about lift?

1095
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 2: Well?

1096
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 1: I like the not the political stuff, but yeah, the

1097
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 1: actual way that the tournaments in the format and the

1098
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 1: way the broadcast looks is there anything that you've gone okay,

1099
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: I don't mind that, and then there's things you've gone No,

1100
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 1: I don't like that.

1101
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 2: Now I think it's cool. How I mean they fly

1102
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 2: around in the broadcast, they show so many shots, but

1103
00:51:21,960 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 2: at the same time, as a person who doesn't know

1104
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: what that golf course is, I have no idea what

1105
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 2: number eight is. I have no idea what number twelve is.

1106
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 2: Like I think it's great, like people want shot shot shots,

1107
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 2: but also like, okay, is this a hard shot? Is

1108
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 2: it a tough shot? What is this hole? Like? Is

1109
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 2: he jammed up here? I have no idea, you know,

1110
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: the shotgun start that's just not that's not for me.

1111
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 2: That's just my opinion. Like I want the leaders teeing

1112
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 2: off last coming up eighteen, Like I don't want to

1113
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 2: and I don't want to know. Like if I'm finishing

1114
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,319
Speaker 2: on eighteen and I'm tied with Brooks Koepka and he's

1115
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 2: finishing on two, is to a birdie hole? Wait? Is

1116
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: this whole harder? Like what? There's just so much involved,

1117
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 2: Like I want everybody to play this. I know they're

1118
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: playing at the same time, which is great because you

1119
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: never have to worry about bad waves. Or anything. But

1120
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: I just I like the leaders coming up last with

1121
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 2: a massive gallery around and everything like that. You know,

1122
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: the team thing hasn't sold me yet. Maybe one day

1123
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: it will. Like I'm just, I guess a traditionalist in that,

1124
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 2: Like professional golf is an individual sport. That's what makes

1125
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 2: it different. Like I use the example of tennis, right,

1126
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,920
Speaker 2: are the ratings better in the in the finals of

1127
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: the singles in major championships or the finals of the doubles?

1128
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 2: Like just no, no one cares about that part. That's

1129
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:35,000
Speaker 2: not what tennis is. The music is what it is.

1130
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: I don't I don't really care. I listen to music

1131
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: when I play play golf at home, durerent. Professional golf

1132
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: it's not normally out there, but it's different. It's it's

1133
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 2: been a disruptor, there's no doubt about it. I don't

1134
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: mind different things, but I don't think I should get

1135
00:52:48,080 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 2: hated on if I say, hey, I don't like watching

1136
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 2: the live broadcast, like I would rather watch the PGA

1137
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: Tour broadcast. I don't want to watch the XFL. I

1138
00:52:54,320 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 2: want to watch the NFL. That's just that's just my

1139
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 2: personal opinion.

1140
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: You know, I've been saying for a couple you know

1141
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: of months now you know I'm a big Formula one guy.

1142
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,480
Speaker 1: I've gotten to know Denny Hemlin because I've helped him

1143
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: for with his golf. He races NASCAR. If he's got

1144
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: a chance to win, I'll watch, but if he's not,

1145
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,879
Speaker 1: I don't watch it. It doesn't mean that I don't

1146
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: like the sport. It doesn't mean that I don't have

1147
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: an appreciation for what they do. I got to go

1148
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: to Homestead, the race in Miami with Denny and hang

1149
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 1: out of this bus and hang out in the pits,

1150
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: and it was unbelievable. And to watch all the things

1151
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: that he has to do as a race car driver

1152
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: was amazing to me. But I tend to I mean,

1153
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with Formula One. I have been for years,

1154
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 1: even before the Drive to Survive because I lived in

1155
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: Europe for so much of my life. I watched the qualifying,

1156
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: I watched the practice. That's my jam. And it doesn't

1157
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 1: mean that I don't think that NASCAR is great, and

1158
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: it's been. I think it's just my opinion cult. But

1159
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:55,040
Speaker 1: I think that Jay wanted the fans, in my opinion,

1160
00:53:55,080 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: to choose between Live or the PGA Tour and it

1161
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: seemed to me that he wanted you to choose, and

1162
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: I kept saying, listen, if you like watching golf, there's

1163
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: some great golf being played. I mean, honestly call it.

1164
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a straight shooter. I saw DJ play

1165
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: some of the best golf that he's played in a

1166
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: long time. Last summer. I saw Cam Smith play some

1167
00:54:18,680 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 1: great golf. Peter u Liine and Pete Reid are playing

1168
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: some great golf. So there is some great golf being played.

1169
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 1: And I think one of the positive things is once

1170
00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: everybody got to the Masters and Brooks did what he did,

1171
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: Phil did what he did, and Patrick reed, I think

1172
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,359
Speaker 1: there were a lot of people that thought that that

1173
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen. I think a lot of people

1174
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 1: thought that those guys were going to show up in

1175
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: big tournaments now and not be able to play. And

1176
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: as a player, you and I both know it doesn't

1177
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 1: matter where you're winning golf tournaments. If you're winning a

1178
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,720
Speaker 1: lot of golf tournaments on the mini tours, that means

1179
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 1: that you're doing the right things. And I think if

1180
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: you're winning golf wordless of where you're winning, it means

1181
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:05,520
Speaker 1: that you're playing great golf. And that was the thing

1182
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: that I think upset me the most is I was

1183
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,760
Speaker 1: seeing these guys work as hard as they've always worked,

1184
00:55:11,800 --> 00:55:15,720
Speaker 1: and I think the golf. Everybody kept saying the golf

1185
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: is different, and I was like, the golf isn't any different.

1186
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: The golf might be different, Yeah, the golf not any different.

1187
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: You still got to go out there.

1188
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 2: You can only beat who you're teeing it up against,

1189
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,280
Speaker 2: which you know Brooks Kopka's won twice out there. Dustin Johnson,

1190
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 2: I believe he's won twice out there. Now, like you said,

1191
00:55:31,200 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 2: it's it's your opinion. Do you want to watch golf,

1192
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 2: then turn it on. It's very simple. If you don't

1193
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 2: want to watch it, great, You know those guys, if

1194
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 2: they have time to prepare now, I would say if

1195
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 2: they did a good job of making their schedule the

1196
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 2: way it is so that therefore they can kind of

1197
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: get some get some starts before the major championships, because

1198
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: if they didn't start their schedule till you know, middle

1199
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: of April and the Masters was their first tournament four months,

1200
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 2: I don't think, as you know a player, you'd probably

1201
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,000
Speaker 2: feel a little rusty going in. So they've done a

1202
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: great job. But as I said at the start of

1203
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 2: the show, I thought brooks Koepka when when he won

1204
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 2: in Orlando and he looked really healthy, I thought we

1205
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: were about to see another dominant major performance by brooks Kepka,

1206
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,839
Speaker 2: and it's it's starting to turn out that way. Well.

1207
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: One of the things behind the scene that you know,

1208
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: because I've been a part of Live since it started,

1209
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,879
Speaker 1: that's not by choice, it's just all my guys went

1210
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 1: to Live. But the tournament in Orlando, they added that

1211
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 1: tournament because the players that were going to be playing

1212
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: in the Masters said hey, can we have another tournament

1213
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,880
Speaker 1: week before the Masters so we can get some more reps.

1214
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 1: So in that respect, I think that that's not something

1215
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:41,880
Speaker 1: that a lot of people that are against Live realized.

1216
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:45,799
Speaker 1: It has been very very player centric. I remember the

1217
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: first one in London less than a you know, a

1218
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: year ago. It finished on Saturday so that they could

1219
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: get everybody that was playing in the US Open. Everybody

1220
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: could either leave Saturday night or Sunday and get to

1221
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,839
Speaker 1: the US and because we were in London. So in

1222
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: that respect, I think they've done some cool things. Do

1223
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 1: you think Colt not Live coming about has made some

1224
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: positive change. I mean one of the positive changes that

1225
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 1: I think coming about is I mean last year, if

1226
00:57:15,600 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: you before Live London, if somebody would have told you, hey,

1227
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: there is going to be a pathway for college golfers

1228
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: now to immediately get onto the corn ferry. I think

1229
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 1: if Live doesn't come around, I don't know if that happens.

1230
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 1: And I think that is something that as soon as

1231
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,479
Speaker 1: it happened, everybody said should have happened ten years ago.

1232
00:57:37,080 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 2: The two things that come to my mind when I

1233
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: think about what positive things Live has brought to the game.

1234
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 2: Obviously a lot of money for these guys because the

1235
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: PGA Tour had to step up and be like, okay,

1236
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: there's another option for guys to go play. If we

1237
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 2: don't react and improve, like, we could lose some of

1238
00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:54,320
Speaker 2: our top guys, which they did lose some, but they

1239
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 2: could have lost more. They got a lot more money involved,

1240
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: which is great. Is it sustainable? Don't? Maybe this is

1241
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: what this whole PIF thing's about. And the other thing

1242
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: is what you mentioned PGA two are you. I am

1243
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: a huge fan of this, you know. I think Lives

1244
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: one of the things they could have done to make

1245
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 2: their tour really strong is to get all the top

1246
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 2: college players out and now with this program, how you

1247
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 2: can have the number one guy get direct access to

1248
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour, the next nine get access out on

1249
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: the corn Ferry Tour. I mean, look what's just happened

1250
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 2: since NC double As The first two winners on the

1251
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: corn Ferry Tour are PGA Tour Are you guys? And

1252
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: then fred Byondi who won NC double As individually contended

1253
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: in his first one. So this is great for these guys.

1254
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:34,640
Speaker 2: I love that they can get out there right now

1255
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: and try to get their feet wet in professional golf.

1256
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,840
Speaker 2: And hell, I mean, I don't want to butcher the

1257
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: guy's name that won the first won the BMW just

1258
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: a couple weeks ago, but then he finished high up

1259
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 2: and recently in Wichitall and he's already seventh on that

1260
00:58:46,440 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: corn Ferry Tour points list. Like he's gonna play his

1261
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 2: way on the PGA Tour most likely.

1262
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: So where does this end up in your opinion? I

1263
00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:58,920
Speaker 1: heard rumors at Scotty Golden Offer. I mean, I know

1264
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: that Scotty was asking about questions. Scotty said that one

1265
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,840
Speaker 1: of the reasons he didn't go is because he was

1266
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: told by Jay and the guys in Ponavidra that there

1267
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,280
Speaker 1: was no pathway back, and now it seems like there

1268
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: is going to It sounds like there's going to be

1269
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: a pathway back. But one of the things that nobody's

1270
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: talking about is if Live continues, which I think it

1271
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: probably will for the for twenty four and then might

1272
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:32,320
Speaker 1: morph into something different. But if Live continues in the

1273
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: same way that it's continued fourteen events and then you've

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Speaker 1: got guys playing in the majors, the players that I've

1275
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: talked to Colt, there's this big I think it's a

1276
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: myth that everybody wants to rush back and start playing

1277
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,280
Speaker 1: every week on the PGA Tour. Some of the players

1278
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 1: I've talked to have said, listen, I'd play maybe two

1279
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: maybe three tournaments max. And there are tournaments that I've

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Speaker 1: won at, there's tournaments that I like, the course, whatever.

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Speaker 1: So where do you see all of this playing out?

1282
01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: And is there a way that you could see that

1283
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:13,400
Speaker 1: Live in the PGA Tour coexist in the same way

1284
01:00:13,400 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: that Live in the DP World and I mean the

1285
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: PG Tour and DP World, PGA Tour in Asia, all

1286
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 1: those things. Do you see there's a way to coexist.

1287
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Speaker 2: On your first point about not everybody wanting to come back,

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01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,800
Speaker 2: you know, I agree with you on that. I'm whether

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Speaker 2: people believe it or not. I'm still very friendly with

1290
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys that play on live. I

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01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 2: talked to him a lot, and I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: use his name, but I was talking to one last

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01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: week at the US Open, and he's like, cold, I

1294
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 2: don't want to come back. He goes, I am having

1295
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: a great life out here. I have four kids at home.

1296
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Speaker 2: I get to spend a lot more time with them.

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Speaker 2: I was like, dude, I respect that. That is perfectly fine.

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 2: Like at least you're owning up to. The problem I

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01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 2: had at the start was when everybody complained about how

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01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 2: they don't want to play this many events. They can

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01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 2: go do this and they can only play at start

1302
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,600
Speaker 2: I think it was eight Now it's fourteen events. They

1303
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 2: get to spend more time, but then all of a sudden,

1304
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: they're fighting to play more tournaments, and I'm like, Okay,

1305
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 2: well which one is it. Do you want to play

1306
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Speaker 2: a lot of tournaments or do you not want to

1307
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 2: play a lot of tournaments. So for that guy, like

1308
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: I totally get it. You know, is there going to

1309
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 2: be a pathway back? I don't know. I don't know

1310
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Speaker 2: what the whole thing, what's gonna come of this. Obviously,

1311
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 2: Yaser is gonna have a big say in everything. I mean,

1312
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,280
Speaker 2: he's the money behind this. The PGA Tour says, you know,

1313
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: they've agreed that they're going to stay in control. So

1314
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: there's just so many like I don't understand in my opinion,

1315
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:28,840
Speaker 2: I don't understand why the guy with all the money

1316
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: who's putting it up is going to have no say.

1317
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 2: But you listen to Jimmy Dunn, you listen to Jay Monahan.

1318
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 2: Now take Jay Monahan's word for what it's worth. Right now,

1319
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 2: I mean people are like, hey, he's lied once, why

1320
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: wouldn't he lie again? So I get that. Jimmy Dunn

1321
01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 2: has been very outspoken. He's the one who's given us

1322
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 2: the most information of anyone. And so if things go

1323
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 2: the way Jimmy says, yes, there will be a pathway

1324
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 2: back and one day, you know, I just I want

1325
01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 2: I want the best in the world to be there.

1326
01:01:56,080 --> 01:01:57,240
Speaker 2: We got to figure out a lot of things. You

1327
01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,840
Speaker 2: got to figure out the world rankings, because there's there's

1328
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 2: as it lived that their ranking has fallen so far

1329
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:03,720
Speaker 2: that they're not going to be in the majors and

1330
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 2: that sucks. Like Bryson should be in the majors, Patrick

1331
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 2: Reed should be in the majors. Obviously Brooks is going

1332
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 2: to be in the majors, Dustin is going to be

1333
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 2: in them. But there's some Taylor goots, Like what happened

1334
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: to him at the US Open. I disagreed with I

1335
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 2: flat out side, Like he qualified. I get it, it was

1336
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: he qualified through a PGA Tour category, but that was

1337
01:02:20,280 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: wrong to take that away from him.

1338
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: And then you've got mikes And then you've got Mike

1339
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: Wand from the USJA coming out in the middle of

1340
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: that controversy saying I don't care about the quality of

1341
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 1: the field. I was just like, dude, what are you doing?

1342
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: How are you?

1343
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: How are you running the USGA And you've got the

1344
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 1: US SO but it's one of the four majors that

1345
01:02:37,600 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 1: you are actually on record saying you don't care about

1346
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: the quality of the field. I just couldn't. I just

1347
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that comment.

1348
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, sometimes the mouth moves faster than the brain, and

1349
01:02:48,000 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: I have a feeling he probably was like oh, I

1350
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 2: shouldn't have said that. That's not very good at a

1351
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 2: major championship or ever. But my biggest thing is, like

1352
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 2: I just it's we got to sit back and just

1353
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,320
Speaker 2: see what happens because we don't know enough. We're all

1354
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 2: just speculating what's gonna happen. You know. I hate the

1355
01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: division in golf. I hate that some people over there

1356
01:03:05,240 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 2: and some other people are over here, Like I want

1357
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,200
Speaker 2: as whether it's twelve events, fourteen events a year, the

1358
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 2: best players in the world because for the PGA Tour

1359
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:16,320
Speaker 2: just on their side, Like the designated events have gone

1360
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: so well, they have been so exciting. We've had incredible

1361
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 2: leader boards. We've had the random, you know, long shot

1362
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 2: coming up and contending against the guys. Nick Taylor I

1363
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,000
Speaker 2: comes to mind at Phoenix and now he wants to

1364
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 2: Kitty Bayhill, Great Kitty Yama exactly. I mean, there's some

1365
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 2: of these guys and that's why I mean, I disagree

1366
01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: with a lot of the PGA Tours do it. I

1367
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 2: love the money, this limited field, no cut thing, I hate,

1368
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:41,520
Speaker 2: it's terrible. I like the way things are. I like

1369
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 2: the openness of the PGA Tour, being able to qualify

1370
01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 2: and get in the mix and having a guy that

1371
01:03:47,160 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 2: you've never heard of, or at least the average golf

1372
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 2: fan has never heard of up there competing with Roy

1373
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:53,440
Speaker 2: McElroy jordan' speith on a Sunday.

1374
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's interesting times. Do you does Jay survive?

1375
01:04:02,040 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're on the PGA Tour and you

1376
01:04:05,280 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: listen to what Jay said, you listen to probably what

1377
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 1: Jay was telling you, what Jay was telling your agent,

1378
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: what Jay was telling everybody on your team, stay loyal,

1379
01:04:16,480 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 1: there's no pathway back. The PGA Tour is the place

1380
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 1: to be and then nine to eleven human rights, all

1381
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: of that. So if you were still playing, would you

1382
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:30,240
Speaker 1: be saying I mean, I talked to a player at

1383
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: the Grove Sunday before we went out to the US

1384
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: Open who is currently still playing on tour, and he said,

1385
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 1: I'll never believe anything anyone from Pana Vidra, from the

1386
01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. J Monahan tells me again, I will never

1387
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: believe that this is a player that has won tournament.

1388
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: He has won, he's had a great career, and he said, listen,

1389
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 1: it's just going to be hard for me moving forward

1390
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 1: to believe them. So where do they go? And how

1391
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 1: do they try and get the player's confidence back.

1392
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,320
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think that's the big question is because I

1393
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: mean everything took a one to eighty with that announcement,

1394
01:05:09,800 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: and you know, for the average guy like listen, they

1395
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 2: might have gotten a small live off for whatever it is.

1396
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,439
Speaker 2: Like the big guys are the ones who turned down

1397
01:05:18,600 --> 01:05:21,120
Speaker 2: all the money and said trust us, stay with us.

1398
01:05:21,560 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 2: You know, if you leave, you can't come back all

1399
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:26,439
Speaker 2: this and then all of a sudden, boom, it flips. Yeah,

1400
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 2: I'd have a hard time trusting that guy, you know. Especially.

1401
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 2: Another thing he kept saying throughout this whole time is

1402
01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 2: it's the player's tour, right, I'm I'm just there to

1403
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 2: run it. I go through the players. This is the

1404
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,880
Speaker 2: player's tour. Well, you just made this decision without talking

1405
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:42,960
Speaker 2: to any players. So therefore that puts a lot of

1406
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 2: doubt in the leadership. Now can they swim out of it? Yeah?

1407
01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 2: I probably think they can. Honestly, having Jimmy Dunn involved,

1408
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 2: which he's so close to a lot of the players,

1409
01:05:51,120 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 2: I think can can help a lot. But they got

1410
01:05:54,200 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 2: a lot of work to do. They have so much

1411
01:05:56,360 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 2: work to do to get these the trust back in

1412
01:05:58,960 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 2: these players. Does he survive? Man, I don't know. I

1413
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: don't even know how the hell. I don't know if

1414
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 2: the players can come together and vote him off. I

1415
01:06:05,040 --> 01:06:06,360
Speaker 2: don't know how any of that works. I was never

1416
01:06:06,400 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 2: on the pack or any of that, so I'm not

1417
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,280
Speaker 2: sure how that process goes. But I just know they

1418
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 2: have a lot of work ahead of them.

1419
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: Nobody player, caddy, agent, manufacturer, broadcast partner, reporter, nobody knows anything.

1420
01:06:24,040 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: Then it comes out the Jays come down with some

1421
01:06:27,480 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: health issues. Nobody knows any information about that. When you're

1422
01:06:31,880 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: part of Live and you come back to the PGA

1423
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:38,240
Speaker 1: Tour ecosystem, all you do is get questions about Live.

1424
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: And after the Masters, when all the guys went back

1425
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: to the next live event and got back into the

1426
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: live ecosystem, everybody that didn't go to the Masters, all

1427
01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 1: the players, all the caddies, everybody was asking us, Okay.

1428
01:06:49,720 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 2: What was it like?

1429
01:06:51,080 --> 01:06:54,439
Speaker 1: Some of the sting and some of the the animosity

1430
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: in the venom was out. Because now the live guys

1431
01:06:57,640 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: are in the same group as the PGA Tour goes,

1432
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: they don't have a clue what the hell's going on.

1433
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think going back to a gust everybody

1434
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 2: was hoping there was gonna be this massive animosity between

1435
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:09,640
Speaker 2: the guys, there'd be some scene or something happened. Dude,

1436
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 2: that's not how it is. These guys still hang out,

1437
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:14,200
Speaker 2: they practice together, they play together, they still talk a lot.

1438
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 2: So I think the Masters was a big one to

1439
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 2: answer all that. Then the PGA happened and there was

1440
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 2: a little bit, But now they're like, Okay, this is

1441
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 2: two events we've played. There's been no issues, like, we

1442
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 2: don't need to talk about it this week. And I

1443
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 2: think the US Open is that range was down there

1444
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:30,520
Speaker 2: and it was kind of secluded. There was no gallery

1445
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 2: members down there or anything, so guys could just sit

1446
01:07:32,840 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 2: down there and mucket up if they wanted, talk about

1447
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: whatever they wanted, talk about sports like and just show

1448
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,360
Speaker 2: that like, hey, we're still friends, Like this is no

1449
01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 2: big deal. He made a choice to go over here

1450
01:07:41,080 --> 01:07:42,680
Speaker 2: and play golf. I don't hate him for it. He

1451
01:07:42,720 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 2: made a hundred and something million dollars. Good for him.

1452
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you take that? But you know what, now

1453
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: he's here this week, we can hang out like old times.

1454
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 2: I mean, Gary Woodland, who's one of my best friends

1455
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:54,040
Speaker 2: in the world, played both of his practice rounds with

1456
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,360
Speaker 2: Brooks and Dustin like, there's there's none of that between

1457
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,439
Speaker 2: these guys. I just think there's some players that are

1458
01:08:00,560 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: very frustrated with the fact that they got told one

1459
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 2: thing about going over there, and now it looks like

1460
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 2: it might go the other way. But we're just gonna

1461
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: have to sit back and wait and see.

1462
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 1: Lastly, your podcasts, SuPAR with your cohort Drew Stoltz. Have

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Speaker 1: you been surprised by the popularity and what have you

1464
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:17,960
Speaker 1: liked about doing it?

1465
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 2: I really have. Yeah. I w when golf dot Com

1466
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 2: came to us, I don't know how long ago it

1467
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Speaker 2: was and said would you be interested in doing this,

1468
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, we'll try it and see what happens.

1469
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Speaker 2: And it's it's gone way different than I thought it would.

1470
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Speaker 2: You know. Obviously we have a great relationship with so

1471
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Speaker 2: many of the guys, but just the success of it.

1472
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Speaker 2: I mean, when I'm going up and down Fairways, people

1473
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Speaker 2: yelling Birdie juice and who's on the pod next and

1474
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 2: all this, it's great. It's I love that people are

1475
01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 2: tuned in and listening to it and I have so

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Speaker 2: much fun. I mean, I don't know how you feel

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Speaker 2: about doing it, but it's just for me, Like I

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Speaker 2: just want these guys to come in and feel like

1479
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,200
Speaker 2: there's no microphone. It's just three dudes or two dudes

1480
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Speaker 2: in a great LPGA golfer sitting down and just chopping

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Speaker 2: it up and having a good time and showing that,

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Speaker 2: you know what, everyone here is just a human and

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,799
Speaker 2: we can we can have fun, we can talk about

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Speaker 2: other things. But yes, I'm very surprised of how well

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Speaker 2: it's gone. But it's been a it's been a blast.

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Speaker 1: I mean you've got a studio. I'm doing this from

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Speaker 1: my kitchen. I mean I've never felt more kind of,

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01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: you know, insignificant and inferior to you with your big

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01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: studio and all that. I'm doing this all on the fly.

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01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: I've got shit propped up here, the cameras are going off.

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01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: You don't have any of that problem.

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Speaker 2: Cold Yeah, I think you're doing just fine. I wouldn't

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01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 2: stress too much about it.

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01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:32,880
Speaker 1: Listen, I appreciate you coming on the pot. If you

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: ever need me to come on you know subpart I

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01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 1: will do it. But are you coming over for the British.

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Speaker 2: I am not so NBC has that, so I'll be

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Speaker 2: off and I'm actually gonna have two weeks off, which

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01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 2: i haven't felt like I've done it forever, So a

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Speaker 2: little downtime and then we roll through the playoffs and

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Speaker 2: then I'm gonna just take a little break. I need,

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01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:54,080
Speaker 2: I need some sleep. I'm having too much fun.

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Speaker 1: Well, I think you're doing a great job and continued success.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Scott. I really appreciate it. Man.

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Speaker 1: So that was cult ghost and listen, you're gonna get

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: opinions from Colton and that's why I like it. But

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Speaker 1: I do think that what Colt said is is something

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01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,240
Speaker 1: that that I think is really important. Listen, Colt is

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01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:19,439
Speaker 1: a big PGA tour guy, and rightly so. He played

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Speaker 1: on the PGA Tour, he broadcasts for CBS. They broadcast

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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. He gets a lot of grief for

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Speaker 1: his stance as someone that is pro PGA tour on

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Speaker 1: social media. I don't have a problem with that. And

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Speaker 1: Colt is somebody that I respect. I like his opinion.

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Speaker 1: I like the fact that he has opinions. We don't

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01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: know we see eye to eye, but he's certainly not

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01:10:40,520 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 1: somebody that I'm not going to talk to because we

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01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: don't see eyed ie on what's going on with Live.

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01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,120
Speaker 1: I think he's informed. I think he is thoughtful in

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01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: what he says, and I think there is an irreverence

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 1: about what he says and his takes and opinions. And

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01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: that's what I like. And that's why I think he's

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01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 1: doing great on TV because he says things that a

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01:11:01,240 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: lot of people are thinking. And he also says things

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01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: that people say, man, I can't believe you said that,

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01:11:05,840 --> 01:11:09,639
Speaker 1: And to me, that's what makes great TV. So thank

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Speaker 1: him for coming on. If you don't listen to his podcast, Subpar,

1528
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: check it out. He's got some great guests and they've

1529
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,640
Speaker 1: got some great shows and they're doing great stuff over there,

1530
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 1: he and his partner Drew Stoltz. If you don't listen,

1531
01:11:22,720 --> 01:11:26,639
Speaker 1: check it out. Keep checking out Son of a Butch.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep getting some really really good guests, one

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01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: more major coming up, and lots and lots to talk

1534
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Speaker 1: about in the coming weeks and the coming months. Subscribe

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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcast. Son of a Butch comes

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Speaker 1: to you every Wednesday. We will see you next week.