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Speaker 3: Her name is Monique Rodriguez.

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Speaker 2: She is the CEO of Mayel Organics, one of the

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Speaker 2: Glory in Your Story. Activating a fearless faith to change

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Speaker 2: You didn't create a beauty brand maybe to go then

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Speaker 2: How many staffs do you have so you have your own,

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Speaker 1: No. So our team we have over about three hundred

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Speaker 2: That's wonderful. And it is in Indiana. Did I get

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Speaker 4: Yes? Correct, Indiana.

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Speaker 4: Way a suburb. If you would say, like it's like

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Speaker 3: Oh got it? I figured as such.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well, I mean and that you are a

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Speaker 2: In this climate right now, with all this trade debacle,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I believe that every sector of business is

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Speaker 4: So we try to say competitive.

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Speaker 1: We pride ourselves and being an affordable luxury brand. But

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Speaker 2: U am. I right that it may take a while,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I said.

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Speaker 1: Eventually we see brands that will start increasing their prices.

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Speaker 1: It's not something that's going to happen overnight, but I

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Speaker 2: That show I gotcha, So go get your Mayel at

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Speaker 2: the price you can Now. I reupped on some the

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Speaker 2: with Monique Rodriguez, the CEO of Mayel Organics. Al rightba fan,

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Speaker 2: we're back. Enjoy more of my conversation with Monique Rodriguez,

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Speaker 2: the CEO of my l organics and the brand new

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Speaker 2: How material increase in the cost of doing business can

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Speaker 3: Have you had anyone come to you. I know that

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Speaker 3: I'm the worst at combining so many questions. You think

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Speaker 2: Like whatever, Well, we're going to get there, because immediately

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Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a second, because you had this angel investor.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it's called an angel investor. I

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Speaker 3: It Shaye Moisture? Yeah, yes, rachel Aadennis.

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Speaker 2: He invested in MAYEU when y'all were in the middle

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's to your point, it's really going to

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Speaker 4: But I look you to do it.

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Speaker 3: It's just reality, right.

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Speaker 4: It's the reality.

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Speaker 1: And I look at myself ten years ago Vinde's tier

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Speaker 1: may mean surrounding yourselves with mentors, and eventually that mentor

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Speaker 1: may turn into an investor. So yes, Melvin and I

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Speaker 1: We have not publicly announced it because we just haven't.

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Speaker 4: So absolutely, you.

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Speaker 2: Were a labor and delivery nurse by the way, thank

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Speaker 2: It was really born out of grief, you know, the

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Speaker 2: And in those early days, I know that it was

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Speaker 1: networking events that you can go to and attend. You

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Speaker 1: can have mentors in your head, people that you admire,

442
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Speaker 1: and you can stalk them in a healthy way.

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Speaker 4: And I.

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Speaker 3: Love a light stocking.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and not to.

446
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Speaker 1: The point of like you're possessive and you're crazy, but like, oh,

447
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Speaker 1: she's speaking it such and such. Let me go and

448
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Speaker 1: try to see if I can meet her and give

449
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Speaker 1: it my product. Like you just have to just start

450
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Speaker 1: doing things and stop trying to worry or figure out

451
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Speaker 1: how it's going to get done, because it can cause

452
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Speaker 1: what you call analysis paralysis, Like you're sitting there overthinking

453
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Speaker 1: and you're overthinking of trying to see, Okay, well I

454
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Speaker 1: need to get my product into such and such hand,

455
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Speaker 1: but I don't know how exactly to do that, and

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Speaker 1: it's going to take this step to get to her

457
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Speaker 1: and this stuff, and you're going to think so hard,

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Speaker 1: you're going to talk yourself out of it, and nothing's

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Speaker 1: gonna ever happen. So that's analysis paralysis.

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Speaker 2: I know many BA fan members are right now in

461
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Speaker 2: that analysis paralysis. Stage your book again, BA fam, just

462
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Speaker 2: to remind you, because you need to go to get

463
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Speaker 2: your copy. It's called The Glory in Your Story, Activating

464
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Speaker 2: a fearless faith to change your life, if your career,

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Speaker 2: and the world.

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Speaker 3: What a subtitle.

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Speaker 2: I'm working on my first book right now. I actually

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Speaker 2: just submitted the manuscript yesterday. I'm a little bet Oh, congra,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. I don't have a subtitle yet,

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Speaker 2: but I'm just like finding myself really looking at that

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Speaker 2: point for the book yet. Congratulations to you, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: What are you hoping people take from the book?

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Speaker 1: What I hope people take from the book is really

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Speaker 1: viewing themselves from a different lens in perspective and identifying, like,

475
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Speaker 1: what is the glory in their story?

476
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Speaker 4: Because we all go through stories.

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Speaker 1: We all go through pains, trials, and tribulations, and we

478
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Speaker 1: have to know that there is beauty on the other

479
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Speaker 1: side of that pain, there is glory in that story.

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Speaker 1: Whatever your story is, your story matters, Your narrative should

481
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Speaker 1: be in your control. It doesn't matter if your story

482
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Speaker 1: has messy parts, broken pieces. God will put everything back

483
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Speaker 1: together and restore. But we have to surrender and submit

484
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Speaker 1: and know that there will be power from our story.

485
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Speaker 1: But we have to own it and we have to

486
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Speaker 1: be able to share it and not be afraid, not

487
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Speaker 1: be a shame because your story matters, and your story

488
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Speaker 1: can help someone overcome a situation that they're going through,

489
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Speaker 1: and we can overcome by sharing our testimony. God put

490
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Speaker 1: us through that to share because it is our testimony.

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Speaker 1: It's been already written for you, and it's nothing that

492
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Speaker 1: you can do to change it. The only thing that

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Speaker 1: you can do is own it. If anyone is looking

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Speaker 1: for hope, if they're looking to increase their faith, if

495
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Speaker 1: they're looking for a blueprint on how to start a

496
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Speaker 1: business from scratch and stop self sabotaging themselves, this book

497
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Speaker 1: is for you. If you're looking to balance your career

498
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Speaker 1: and being a mom a wife, or you're looking to

499
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Speaker 1: eventually have a family and not sure like how all

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Speaker 1: the pieces are going to come together. This book, it

501
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,159
Speaker 1: hits on so many different facets of life. If you

502
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Speaker 1: experienced childhood trauma, this book is for you. So there

503
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Speaker 1: are many different people that can relate to this story.

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Speaker 1: And from the glory in your story.

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Speaker 2: There is a sense of shame sometimes because we're kind

506
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Speaker 2: of we can be self conscious about the missteps or

507
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Speaker 2: pursue missed ups we took along the way. But how

508
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Speaker 2: that's just a part of the fabric. And I love

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Speaker 2: that you point that out, like you don't have to

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Speaker 2: be ashamed of it. It's like you're saying, this is

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Speaker 2: my story, this is a beautiful story, and everyone is.

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Speaker 3: Right along with you. They're like, great, I love a

513
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Speaker 3: beautiful story. This is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and no one can make fun of you for

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Speaker 1: your own story if you have owned it and told

516
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Speaker 1: it yourself. And then you also don't give people permission

517
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Speaker 1: to make up their own story because now you're hearing

518
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Speaker 1: it from my mouth, we do.

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Speaker 2: Be doing Yeah. How is your relationship with social media

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Speaker 2: changed since you launched my l I was one of

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Speaker 2: the early adopters when it was like blown up on

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Speaker 2: TikTok the Rosemary oil.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, my relationship with social media has changed quite a bit.

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Speaker 1: I actually have a love hate relationship with the social media.

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Speaker 3: Is a safe space for that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to be quite honest and transparent with you.

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Speaker 1: I am pretty glad that I don't have to feel

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Speaker 1: so tied and chained to social media like I did

529
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Speaker 1: when I was building the brain, because I felt like

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Speaker 1: I had to show up, I had to post content,

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Speaker 1: stay relevant, and make sure that I'm posting two three

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Speaker 1: times a day engaging with people. And I have a

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Speaker 1: problem with engagement with people. But now I'm like, I'll

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Speaker 1: engage with people when I get a chance to. I'll

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Speaker 1: check my DMS when I get a chance to. I

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Speaker 1: don't feel the pressure to have to always respond right

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Speaker 1: when someone sends me a message, because you can get

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Speaker 1: to a point where you let social media control you

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Speaker 1: and dominate your life. And I no longer want to

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Speaker 1: have that type of relationship with social media because it

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Speaker 1: is addicting, it can be controlling, and it takes a

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Speaker 1: lot of your energy, your space, your mental clarity for

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Speaker 1: you to be a creative person. And I am a

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Speaker 1: creative so I need to take my mind space from it.

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Speaker 1: So I don't check social media when I first wake up.

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Speaker 1: You know, there are some people that wake up in

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Speaker 1: the morning.

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Speaker 4: That's you.

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Speaker 1: That's totally fine. You wake up in the morning and

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Speaker 1: the first thing you do is scroll. I don't scroll

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Speaker 1: or get on social media maybe till about ten thirty eleven,

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Speaker 1: and then I try to set my timer or my

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Speaker 1: social media limit on my phone for like an hour

554
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Speaker 1: of scrolling to like remind me, okay, you've been scrolling

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Speaker 1: too much, like get off. And I also have stopped

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Speaker 1: like aimlessly scrolling. So now when I go on there,

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Speaker 1: I'm being intentional. So if there are people that I

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Speaker 1: want to intentionally check on or like make sure that

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Speaker 1: I'm commenting and supporting them, I will go directly to

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Speaker 1: their page and like a few pictures, support them, comment,

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Speaker 1: I'll look at a few stories, engage with people that way,

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Speaker 1: check a few dms. But I'm not aimlessly scrolling with

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Speaker 1: no point or mission. Like when I get on there,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to have some type of purpose, even though

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Speaker 1: sometimes it is purposeless when you're just scrolling. I try

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Speaker 1: to be mindful of just like the time that I

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Speaker 1: spend on social media. And also as far as me posting,

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Speaker 1: I have a team that posts a lot of content

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Speaker 1: for me with the book because I just don't have

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Speaker 1: the capacity to do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm very free spirited now.

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Speaker 1: With what I post I post what I want to

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Speaker 1: post when I want to post it, don't care what

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Speaker 1: people think. And I'm not posting because I'm looking for

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Speaker 1: likes or engagement. I really post and because I feel like, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is something inspirational that I want people to see.

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Speaker 4: And that's why I would really post that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I wonder, I know. I mean, I'm

579
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Speaker 2: in it right now. I'm in that building phase for

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'll be in that building phase from my

581
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Speaker 2: book and from always feel like I'm always building with

582
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Speaker 2: the podcast. And yeah, that relationship with social media, it

583
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Speaker 2: is it's like a love hates It.

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Speaker 3: Can be toxic.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like what helped me was someone said, like,

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Speaker 2: you know, you're in control, right, you can control like

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Speaker 2: what you do where you go. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: you know, just like you've acknowledged, it's a lot of

589
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Speaker 2: people building out there who are still feeling like I

590
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Speaker 2: gotta drag myself, put a lip on, show.

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Speaker 3: Up, like talk to the people. But one other ways.

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Speaker 2: Besides like showing up on social What are the other

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Speaker 2: ways that y'all built a community early on or was

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00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: it really just word of bounce and social Yeah, no.

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Speaker 4: Not just social media alone.

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Speaker 1: We would get out there and go to trade shows,

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Speaker 1: lots of networking events, brunches, any type of women empowerment events.

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00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: We had to be out there in the community. Engaging

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Speaker 1: with them as well. Was a huge part of our

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Speaker 1: success and building up that momentum for MYO. Because social media,

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Speaker 1: you know, and especially now, the algorithm has changed so

602
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 1: much where they're only showing your content to a certain

603
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: group of small percentage of your audience, so not everyone

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00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: seeing your content unless you're paying for it. So that's

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00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: a challenge in itself. So can't you can't just rely

606
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: on social media to build your fan base. You have to,

607
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: like get out there. You have to be in the

608
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 1: community talking with people, telling them about your product, letting

609
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Speaker 1: them feel your love and your passion for whatever it

610
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: is that you do, and also helping them build trust

611
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Speaker 1: in you as a brand founder CEO, because building a

612
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 1: brand is about relationship, connection and engagement and building trust.

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Speaker 1: And in order to build trust, I have to have

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Speaker 1: a relationship with you. I have to engage with you.

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00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 1: I have to get to know you. I have to

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Speaker 1: like you, and that will equate to me trusting you eventually.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you agree with us, But do

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Speaker 2: you feel like that's kind of our nature as women

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Speaker 2: of color is to we have this there is a

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Speaker 2: level of inherent trust among us. Like even how you

621
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 2: showed up today, you're like, oh, I feel good, I'm

622
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 2: that brown ambisioned, like seems like this is for me.

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Speaker 2: Have you always kind of had that sense of sisterhood

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Speaker 2: and support from the other women of color in your life,

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00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 2: whether like family, friends, entrepreneurs, mentors along the way.

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00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: It's fifty to fifty yes and no.

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Speaker 1: I've had that you know, have supported me, that are

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Speaker 1: rooting for me, cheering for me. And it's not just

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Speaker 1: what they say in my face, but I can actually

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Speaker 1: see the actions or I hear about their actions behind

631
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Speaker 1: my back, and then vice versa. I've had women that

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Speaker 1: you know don't support me or don't like me for

633
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: whatever reason. And that's quite all right as well, because

634
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: we're not meant to be liked by everyone, and I'm

635
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: not a people pleaser.

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00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 4: I've heard and.

637
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: Have experienced women that were, let's say, competitors or in

638
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 1: the entrepreneurship space that don't give or reciprocate the same

639
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: type of energy that I give out. And it's quite alright,

640
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: Like I just feel like those are just not my people.

641
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: So I just redirect my energy into the people that

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00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: you know reciprocate that same type of energy me.

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Speaker 4: On my end, all I can do is control how.

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Speaker 1: I respond to the energy that's put out in the atmosphere,

645
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: and I have control over my emotions. And if I'm

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Speaker 1: presented with bad energy or bad emotions, I'm still going

647
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: to give out and be a light and positivity to

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Speaker 1: that person. I mean sometimes, I mean, I'm human. I

649
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: can be a little shady, but I can be shady

650
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,239
Speaker 1: and it's still in a positive I mean, or not

651
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 1: in a disrespectful way. But I still will let people

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00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 1: know like just because I'm nice, Like, don't take my

653
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: kindness for weakness, but I'm gonna still treat you with respect,

654
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Speaker 1: and I expect for at least respect to be returned.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to like me, we don't have to

656
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Speaker 1: have dinner together, break bread, but.

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Speaker 4: At least we have to respect each other as black women.

658
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean, you're raising two girls, right, and

659
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 2: I just feel like, what is what your oldest daughter?

660
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 2: Is she in college yet or she was about to

661
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 2: go to college?

662
00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, she's nineteen, she's in college.

663
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 3: Oh, congratulations to her.

664
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 4: Thank you.

665
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: Is she asking you for advice?

666
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 2: What's happening? Because you are very like accomplished and everything

667
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 2: like that. But does she want to hear from mommy

668
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 2: the founder of Mayel.

669
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: Absolutely, She's always talking to me.

670
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:12,640
Speaker 1: She's always asking me for advice on how to navigate

671
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: and deal with people, dealing with friendships, dealing with women.

672
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been a little challenging for her,

673
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: especially first year in college, being away from home and

674
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: just dealing with all different walks of life. So I've

675
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: had to sit her down a couple of times and

676
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: like give her some wisdom from my own experience on

677
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: how to navigate certain situations. I'm glad that she comes

678
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: to me because I know that she feels comfortable enough

679
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: to ask me for advice. I feel that she takes

680
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: my advice and she applies it to her life. But

681
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,480
Speaker 1: I'm just thankful that she even is okay with telling

682
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: me about situations. But you know, I'm that mom that like,

683
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 1: if my daughter is telling me about you or your friend,

684
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: then me and you gonna have a problem because and

685
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: I've probably never even met the person. But you know,

686
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: I think all moms were. I'm a mama bear. I

687
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: think all moms are like that, but yeah, she definitely

688
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: comes to me for advice.

689
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

690
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: I took my kid, I have a five year old

691
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: and a two year old and took him to a

692
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: birthday party at those one of those trampoline parks. Those

693
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: kids are fairal in there, like it's wild, and I

694
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 2: saw some little kid try to push my kid into

695
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: the phone pit and the way I was like, Ah,

696
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: come over here, get this little boy. You just knalk

697
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: my boy down like I'm getting the teenagers that they hire.

698
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, you need to be on this. He needs

699
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: to be ejected.

700
00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I don't blame you.

701
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 3: Listen, don't blame you.

702
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: You have to take up for your babies.

703
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 5: Mm hmm.

704
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, And the mama bear energy is so crucial.

705
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 3: You're also a WiFi.

706
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: Your partnership with your husband is so unique, especially because

707
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: y'all didn't necessarily set out to launch a business together.

708
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 2: But I'd love to hear just any gems you might

709
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: have as far as navigating business with your partner and

710
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: how do you I can hardly navigate life as with

711
00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: my husband and having two kids and businesses like let

712
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 2: alone being in it together.

713
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: It's like, are you good at the end of the night.

714
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: Okay, cool, I'll see you in the morning maybe. And

715
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: I'm just how did give me advice? Give me free

716
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: advice is what I'm asking for. Let me just keep

717
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 2: it one hundred Yeah.

718
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 1: I mean I think that first we have to give

719
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: each other grace and know that it's not going to

720
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: be perfect, and you will have disagreements and arguments with

721
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: your spouse or whatever. You're not going to always agree,

722
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: so you have to like say, Okay, we're gonna make

723
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: a commitment to make sure we give each other grace.

724
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: For us, we keep God first, and we understand that

725
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: we have a mission. We have a bigger picture, and

726
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: that's impact and legacy that we want to leave for

727
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: our family and generations to come.

728
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 4: And having great mentors.

729
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: That are married, that have been married for years that

730
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 1: can give us sound advice and looking at them as

731
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: an example of how they've been able to navigate things

732
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: in their relationships and how they have still maintained to

733
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: be together. Because for Melvin and I, we realize that

734
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: we were husband and wife before Mayo, and we're not

735
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 1: going to let Mayo come in between us. So that

736
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 1: means we have to take our egos out of it.

737
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: We have to have a mutual level of respect for

738
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: each other and each other's Roland Lane. We have to

739
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 1: identify what are some of our strengths and weaknesses, and

740
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: for us, we compliment each other's in areas where I

741
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: may be weak, he's strong, and where he's weak in

742
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: certain areas I'm strong. So we truly believe that Mayo

743
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: will not be what it is today if it wasn't

744
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: for us knowing where we were strong and where we

745
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: were weak, and coming together and complimenting each other with

746
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: different skill sets to build a dynamic duo. He obviously

747
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: didn't know anything about hair.

748
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,359
Speaker 4: Products, but I did.

749
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: But he knew about operations, logistics, and finance, and combining

750
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: those skill sets together, we've been able to build this

751
00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 1: amazing company because we respect each other's gifts and that's.

752
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 4: What worked for us.

753
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:57,279
Speaker 1: But again I also tell like, when you're married, you

754
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: have to keep certain things sacred. You shouldn't be going

755
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: to other especially if you are a married woman. Don't

756
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 1: go to single woman for advice and vice versa for

757
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: a man. Make sure that the circle that you hang

758
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 1: around is a circle that's uplifting you and holding marriage

759
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 1: to a high standard because your community is also important

760
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: as well too. So I mean that's kind of like

761
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: what our code and what we go by and having boundaries.

762
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: I talk about boundaries a lot in the book, and

763
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: setting those boundaries of what makes me feel good and

764
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: comfortable as his wife and then what makes him feel

765
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: comfortable as my husband, and being respectful of each other's

766
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: boundaries and not crossing those.

767
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: I also think there's something in that I've seen in

768
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 2: interviews where he's like talked about how he's allowed you

769
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: to shine. And I imagine I've just heard from so

770
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 2: many other founders who are women that if there's a

771
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: man nearby, sometimes it'll be like they'll defer to the

772
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 2: man at the table. And I'm sure, how have you navigated,

773
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: if at all, those situations and does he understand that

774
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 2: may happen? And then like, here's how we're going to

775
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,200
Speaker 2: handle this as a team.

776
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

777
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: So the crazy thing is people think that I'm such

778
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: just extroverted personality, but I'm not.

779
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: I am an introvert person by nature. I just weep

780
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 4: out of the world.

781
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 1: Introverts, Yeah, sneaky, I step out of my comfort zone.

782
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: I stretch myself and so that's how I'm able to

783
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: like be the person that I am.

784
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 4: And to them it comes off as.

785
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: Like, oh, you're this extroverted, friendly person. No, I'm really

786
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: like stretching myself and I'm very uncomfortable, but it just

787
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: looks like I'm comfortable in the moment. And he is

788
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: a more extroverted person, big personality, and that would be me.

789
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: I would shy away and say, okay, you speak, I

790
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 1: don't want to speak, but he would tell me, no,

791
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: you speak, You get up there and you talk. So

792
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: having him push me into different roles and positions that

793
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,919
Speaker 1: I didn't even think that I was capable of doing,

794
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: Like he would always encourage me when I used to

795
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: do panels back in the day.

796
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 4: I used to be so nervous.

797
00:36:58,440 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: I didn't want to do them, but I knew I

798
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: had to because again, how do people know about your

799
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: brand if you don't talk about it.

800
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 4: And he would give me these pep talks.

801
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: Before it, and you know, just give me just words

802
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 1: of encouragement to go out there and just be the best.

803
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 1: And even now he still like talks to me on

804
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,240
Speaker 1: panels even though I'm a lot better I still get nervous,

805
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 1: but he's always there to like reassure me and encourage

806
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: me to like speak up. My voice matters, and I

807
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,959
Speaker 1: think it's important to have someone beside you that will

808
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: not let you shy away.

809
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 4: And that's okay.

810
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: And he's also okay with stepping aside and saying I'm

811
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: gonna I'm okay with being behind the scenes so I

812
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 1: can push you forward and let you shine. And him

813
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: pushing me forward has allowed me to evolve into the

814
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: woman that I am today.

815
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:43,760
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.

816
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,520
Speaker 2: I remember, like you know, you see these viral videos

817
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,879
Speaker 2: and listen social media. It gets me sometimes and viral

818
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 2: videos of like husbands at weddings and how they'll like

819
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,359
Speaker 2: steal a white group of bride's moment or like take

820
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 2: the shine away, and how they say potentially portend like

821
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: issues later on. And there's nothing more incredible for me

822
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 2: to see than like a partner who is willing to

823
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: shine on their partner and not feel threatened by that.

824
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: So that's wonderful. Now you talk a lot about faith,

825
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: I have to talk to you about this and I

826
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 2: want to do it with an open heart, open mind.

827
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 2: I'm from the South and I have a complex relationship

828
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: with faith myself. And I was listening to an interview

829
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: that you gave and you were talking about the importance

830
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 2: in a marriage. The word that you use was submissive,

831
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: like how it's important to be submissive to your partner,

832
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: and that word triggered something in me. But with an

833
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: open heart and open mind, I want to I want

834
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 2: to talk about that because I believe that it's so

835
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 2: important for us to find the intersection where faith can

836
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: cohabitate with like progression and feminism and these modern ideals.

837
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 2: So I kind of I just want to chat about

838
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: that for a second and give you a chance to

839
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 2: give me your perspective on how submission in your marriage

840
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 2: has helped with your business and with your relationship.

841
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: Well, that's a great question. I feel like for me,

842
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: I want to embrace my femininity. I feel that the

843
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: stigma has been for a woman to enter into the

844
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: business space that she has to take on this masculine energy.

845
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:20,400
Speaker 1: And I think it has also been a trend on

846
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 1: social media for a woman to say, well I don't

847
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 1: need a man, and you know I can do this

848
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: all by myself. And for me, I feel that is

849
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 1: a defense mechanism of women who may have been hurt

850
00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:37,759
Speaker 1: by men who should have been there their protective whether

851
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: it was our father's growing up, a boyfriend, or whatever.

852
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,240
Speaker 1: But I don't think that it's in our mother nature

853
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: to take on and mask masculine qualities. I think that

854
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: being a woman and being in touch with my intuition,

855
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 1: the reason why I'm so in touch with my intuition

856
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,440
Speaker 1: is because of that softness.

857
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,240
Speaker 4: In that femininity that I carry. And I never.

858
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 1: Felt that I had to lose my softness to run

859
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: a company. I never felt that I had to be

860
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 1: what some may perceive as a bitch, but they're really.

861
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 4: Taking on masculine energy. To get my.

862
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: Point across, I felt that part of the reason why

863
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: the brand is so successful is because I've led with empathy, compassion.

864
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: I understand, I work with women, I serve women. I

865
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: feel that I understand a woman better than a man does.

866
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: And in order for me to understand women and women

867
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: intuition and instincts, I still have to be in touch

868
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: with that feminine side. So I don't want to put

869
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 1: on that masculinity. I don't want to own that because

870
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: I don't feel that's how God built us.

871
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 4: I feel that even watching my mom grow up, she was.

872
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: Tough and she has some of those characteristics of like

873
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: she doesn't feel that she needs a man, but I

874
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 1: know that it came from the trauma that she had

875
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: growing up with her dad and also dealing with my dad,

876
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: and it caused her to feel like she had to

877
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: be independent and she had to carry the weight of

878
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,239
Speaker 1: the world on her shoulders. And I just don't think

879
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: that we're built that way. So I just want to

880
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,719
Speaker 1: embrace who God.

881
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 4: Created me to be.

882
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:11,520
Speaker 1: He created me to be a woman, and there are

883
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: certain characteristics that a woman have that quite frankly, men

884
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: don't have. And that's what makes us special. Like, that's

885
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,520
Speaker 1: what makes us unique, and that is our superpower. And

886
00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: when you combine femininity, your power, and your purpose, that

887
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 1: is a great dynamic du altogether. And we can lead

888
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:32,399
Speaker 1: and change.

889
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: The world by just embracing who we are.

890
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: We don't have to embrace someone else's energy to get

891
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: and accomplish our goals.

892
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 3: Okay, I hear you.

893
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: So as a business partner, does that mean that if

894
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 2: you're like what your husband says goes no, okay.

895
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 4: No, So let me no actlutely not.

896
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: So let me be clear and my husband knows like

897
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: I am not a punk by no means like I

898
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: will stand up to him and and like and he

899
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:03,839
Speaker 1: knows when I'm mad. So that and that's the thing

900
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: I think when women think submissive, it thinks like, oh,

901
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 1: I have to shrink who I am.

902
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 3: It's a very triggering word.

903
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:10,919
Speaker 4: It is a triggering work.

904
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: But yes, the Bible talks about it, right, But to me,

905
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that I have to shrink who I am.

906
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that I don't have a voice. It

907
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I can't speak up. I can fully

908
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: embrace being a woman and letting you lead because I

909
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: trust you to lead.

910
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 4: And if I I trust you to lead.

911
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: But it has to be you have to have a

912
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: strong man and he has to be a good leader

913
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: and protective and he has to be submitted under God

914
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 1: in order for me to submit under him. Because the

915
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 1: Bible talks about our wives submit to their husbands. It

916
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: doesn't say like, wives be stupid, or it doesn't say

917
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 1: wives you don't have a voice. It doesn't say wives

918
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: just go on the back end, just sit there and

919
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: let your husband do everything.

920
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 4: It doesn't say that. It just says wives be submissive.

921
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 1: To your husband because he's submissive to me, And so

922
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: I can be submissive and you know, let my husband

923
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,920
Speaker 1: lead and still speak up for myself because I trust

924
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: that he's also guiding us correctly. But if he wasn't

925
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: guided or leading us or protecting us correctly, then I

926
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: will speak up and I will say something.

927
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 4: And I'm okay with that.

928
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: So I don't want to confuse like submissive, submissive with

929
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: being like a punk, because by no means you have

930
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,760
Speaker 1: to be that. You still can be a strong woman

931
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: and submit to your husband, but the husband has to

932
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: be able to lead properly. Yeah, I mean, and obviously

933
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: I didn't know that at that time, but you know.

934
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 3: He'll prejudice situation. You taught he was like so cocky

935
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 3: and obnoxious.

936
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, And I think we see that now, Like

937
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:45,759
Speaker 1: even with the issue with Shadora Sanders, how he's been

938
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: labeled as being cocky and arrogant, and it's really like

939
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: just the world is afraid of a black man's confidence.

940
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: You can't be a black man and be confident, can't

941
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: be a black woman and be confident. So what I

942
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: misconstrued as arrogance was really like his confidence. And I

943
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,480
Speaker 1: see that now, because my husband will walk in a

944
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: room and not care. He doesn't care who he's talking to.

945
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: You don't care if you are big celebrity or you're

946
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: just a regular everyday person. He will talk to you

947
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: the same and interact the same no matter who you are.

948
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: He doesn't care what anyone thinks of him. He's just

949
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: gonna be himself. And that is a level of confidence

950
00:44:23,520 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't have, and quite frankly,

951
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: it's admirable, right.

952
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 5: Self love is in a way, it's self love.

953
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 2: Self love Like I stand fully in my body here,

954
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 2: I belong here, I'm taking up space. Yeah, and like

955
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: it can be threatening.

956
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:40,279
Speaker 1: It can be very threatening for those that are insecure.

957
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: So like when a sche George Sanders says I'm legendary,

958
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: it's intimidating to people that don't, that don't have the

959
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: courage to speak up and speak positivity over their life.

960
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: It's a sports guy, I don't really know.

961
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, my husband.

962
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 2: All talk about being legendary, isn't what happens when you

963
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,240
Speaker 2: get in sports. You have to think you're God.

964
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: Not and I think your God, I don't think, but

965
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 1: you we have to speak greatness over your life.

966
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:02,560
Speaker 4: Like Muhammad Ali.

967
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: He would always say I'm the greatest, and he was

968
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: the greatest, and his attitude could have been misconstrued as

969
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,280
Speaker 1: kacky and arrogant. But you should be allowed to speak

970
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: greatness over your life. We have to speak life over us.

971
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: We don't speak death. So if you're speaking life over

972
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: yourself and someone's considering that it's like arrogance, then that's

973
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: their own insecurities that they're projecting onto you.

974
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I mean this concept of submission. I'm trying

975
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 2: to be very curious about why I feel certain ways

976
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: about certain words or certain I mean, this armchair that

977
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 2: I'm sitting in is actually a trigger for me because

978
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 2: as a kid, when I was growing up, I used

979
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 2: to get so annoyed at my mom because she would

980
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: move everybody out.

981
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 3: Of the armchair.

982
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 2: It had to be like the father figure. My mother's

983
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 2: married a couple times of the father figure's chair in

984
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: like that space. And as a kid, I remember being like,

985
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: why don't we get that? Like why don't we and

986
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 2: like it hasn't necessarily done wonders for me because my

987
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 2: husband's like, girl, can I just sit in the chair.

988
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 2: I like having a nice Drea, and I don't even

989
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,359
Speaker 2: have an answer for myself. I was just really I

990
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 2: was really like triggered emotionally by that term. And I

991
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: appreciate you kind of sharing your perspective. What I'm taking

992
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 2: from this is I am learning. We're eight years into

993
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 2: our marriage. I'm learning the give and the take. It's

994
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: like I could do a lot more giving in not

995
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 2: giving in, but like I could do a lot more

996
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: compromising and meeting.

997
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 3: In the middle.

998
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's not necessarily like I wouldn't say I'm

999
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 2: submitting because again the emotional tie up of that word,

1000
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 2: but that part of being in a partnership I wasn't

1001
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 2: necessarily prepared. I feel like I'm part of that generation

1002
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 2: of like kids, and I mean we're the same age, run,

1003
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: the same age, late thirties, but like they built us

1004
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 2: up to be women who could have it all, but

1005
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,880
Speaker 2: they forgot how to also create men who could support

1006
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 2: a woman who thinks she can have it all, and

1007
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: how to do that in a healthy, supportive way.

1008
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's exactly what it is.

1009
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,719
Speaker 1: So I don't want you to look at the word

1010
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 1: even if this word, if the word submissive triggers you,

1011
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: take that word out of it and look at it

1012
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,879
Speaker 1: as I just trust you to lead. Right, Submissive does

1013
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,560
Speaker 1: not mean you're weak. It's just I'm trusting you to lead,

1014
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: and I'm trusting that in your leadership, you're going to

1015
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: support me and what I do. So if you're supporting

1016
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: me and what I do, I do have a voice.

1017
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 1: I can stand up for myself. I can say that

1018
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: you're wrong in certain aspects. I'm not going to just

1019
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: sit down and tolerate disrespect or any craziness, right, because

1020
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 1: you're supporting me and you respect me, and I'm trusting

1021
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: you that you're going to do all of that.

1022
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,920
Speaker 2: And that trust has to be earned, like you have

1023
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: to absolutely, Yeah, you earn that trust. You don't take

1024
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: it for granted, like, Oh, it's a man, so I

1025
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 2: must trust that he will have my best interest.

1026
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, he has to show it.

1027
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: He has to show it. Okay, Well, thanks for going

1028
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 2: down that little rabbit hole with me. The book again

1029
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: is called The Glory in Your Story. Y'all please go

1030
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: check it out.

1031
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: I know you have a.

1032
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: Website gloryanyourstory dot com.

1033
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,919
Speaker 2: Gloryanyourstory dot com. I'll put a link in the show notes.

1034
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: What else do you want to tell a BA fan.

1035
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:02,839
Speaker 2: What else do you want to leave us with?

1036
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can purchase The Glory in your Story anywhere

1037
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: books are sold and tell a friend to tell a

1038
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:13,560
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1039
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1040
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1041
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1042
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Speaker 5: So that was it.

1043
00:48:24,640 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for sharing your story. I can't wait

1044
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 2: to get my hands on the physical copy. I got

1045
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 2: a pdf. I don't like the PDFs, but I'm going

1046
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 2: to go. I'm going to go to my barns and

1047
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 2: note and be like, you need to book. Put this

1048
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 2: book on the shelves please. Monique, thank you so much

1049
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: for sharing your story, your insights, your gems with BA

1050
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: fam and we hope to have you back on some day,

1051
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: pushing you so much success.

1052
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 5: Thank you again, thank you, wishing you much success as well.

1053
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:49,839
Speaker 4: Thank you for having me.

1054
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,200
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1055
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1062
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1064
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Speaker 2: to know that ba Fan is still writing with brown ambition.

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1073
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Speaker 2: there in the world.

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Speaker 3: And make money on the outside. Okay, all right, va

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