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Speaker 1: What up WelCom and I'm Doug Godly Bent you well,

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Speaker 1: you've been nice enough to download, subscribe rate listen to

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Speaker 1: All Ball where we tell stories usually around hoop, sometimes

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Speaker 1: around football or whatever. And um, this is a pretty

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Speaker 1: well critically acclaimed podcast. I gotta tell you you're like, wow,

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Speaker 1: you kind of fell into something if you haven't listened

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Speaker 1: to previous ones. I do want to before we get

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Speaker 1: to part three with John sun Bold as we got

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Speaker 1: to broadcast and tell some broadcasting stories and how we

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Speaker 1: got in it, and it's it's I think it's one

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Speaker 1: there's been other leagues as well. You'd announced you're gonna

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Speaker 1: not able to participate in the CIA Conference tournament, and

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Speaker 1: there will always people what about the kids? What about

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Speaker 1: the kids? But but what recourse do conferences really have?

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Speaker 1: I mean, how can they what are they supposed to

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Speaker 1: which wait for it, was that James Madison University. Now,

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Speaker 1: huge win for the school, for the local area, and

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Speaker 1: of course building that new arena. So you go from

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Speaker 1: But I do get it. And what's the point of

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Speaker 1: This is part three if you missed Part one. Part two.

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Speaker 1: It's about his career as a basketball player, first in

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00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: Joe was young, confident, cocky, which was great. I'm probably

428
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: a little more humble on the side. If I'm not

429
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,560
Speaker 1: gonna tell some producer, don't show me that right until

430
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,200
Speaker 1: I worked with Joe, Like, Joe was my guy going.

431
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: But that Illinois Missouri game was okay. So I did

432
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: it once with Bob Costas. I did it once with

433
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 1: John Rooney who's a voice of the Cardinals. All those

434
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: guys had worked for missoo it's some former fashion doing

435
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: Missouri radio. So that was the I mean, there's guys

436
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: you're thinking, Okay, your first guy's Joe buck. Well, if

437
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: Joe is not the best, he's one of the best

438
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:11,879
Speaker 1: ever Joe see joke Stiglio, Pete Duri to get this

439
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 1: guy in your league in the league, right, So they did.

440
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: I mean they called, and like everybody, they're worried that

441
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 1: you're a homer for your home team. I mean, that's

442
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: what always the concerns. So the games I got initially

443
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: weren't Missouri, which you're probably the same way. I don't

444
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 1: think many guys that played are fanaticals of their team.

445
00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 1: I hope they went like I hope Missouri does great.

446
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: But if I'm doing a game, I have no, you know, concern.

447
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 1: I think that's I think I think here's where people struggle.

448
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: And it's a little different because you have Columbia has

449
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: been has been home for you, you know. But most guys, um,

450
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 1: you're connected to your team and your guys, your teammates.

451
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: When they're gone, it's like I still love my coach

452
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: and my school, Whereas when you're a fan, you don't

453
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 1: see it that way at all. And so a lot

454
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 1: of people in in management of these they they think

455
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: of it from a fan mindset, I'll give you. I'll

456
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: give you a hilarious one, okay, because I want to

457
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: get to I know you call it games for CBS

458
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: in the tournament. When I was at CBS, they I

459
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: never did an Oaklahoma State game and they had they

460
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,919
Speaker 1: had a couple of months, and it bothered me, like

461
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: I didn't do os U Kansas, Like how can you

462
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: not have me do os U Kansas? Like right, anybody,

463
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of synonymous with that game and that

464
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: rivalry and even the shorts on backwards game, like that's

465
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 1: probably one of the five most known moments of the

466
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: Big Twelve, like in the history of when it was

467
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: a twelve team league, like that was a moment. But anyway,

468
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: but there they were very concerned. So, um my second

469
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 1: or third year doing games, and it was my second

470
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: year and I had asked them, Hey, look, I know

471
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: I'm down the totem pole. I know nance and those

472
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 1: guys they get the whatever the biggest games are, could

473
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: you put me in Spiroudidas in San Diego because the

474
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: games are March and and my son's birthday is the

475
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: nineteen and I'm an Orange County an hour away, and

476
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: you know how hard marches, like, could I just see

477
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 1: my kid, you know, on his birthday? That would be

478
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: really cool. You know, we'll do it, would do the

479
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: best we can. So that year, Oklahoma State gets into

480
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: into San Diego and they called me to like and

481
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: And a guy who I really like and I really

482
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,159
Speaker 1: trust and I admire a great deal. I'll leave his

483
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: name out of it. He said, you know, I had

484
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: to go into San Diego, but Oklahoma States did it.

485
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 1: I was like, so, where did you put me? He's like, well, spokeman.

486
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, oh, using spoke camp. He's like, so,

487
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: I said, look, I said, you have to understand the

488
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: hundred people who would think I'm a Homer dude an

489
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State game, there's two fifty thousand people who would

490
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: think I'm the same Homer doing a no you game.

491
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: You actually didn't change it. You just you just kind

492
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: of move the it's the you're gonna have you have

493
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: the same exact thing. You know. They over they just

494
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: overthink it, just overthink it. Whereas and And that's honestly

495
00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: one of the things that I always admired about your style,

496
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: which is a very matter of fact, I couldn't tell

497
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: if you like the coach. It didn't like the coach.

498
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 1: If you like the player, you just analyze the game

499
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: and told the story and paying the picture of what why,

500
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: what's really happening here what you should pay to. And

501
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: it's the ability to disconnect from any sort of emotional

502
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 1: ties to it, right. I don't know if everybody has that,

503
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 1: by the way, but I do a job as anyone

504
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: who's ever done it does well, and and some of

505
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: that personality probably so. Again, I'm the youngest of four boys.

506
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: My oldest brother would say I lost my sense of

507
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: wonderment when I was a kid. Like you know, he

508
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: used to say, Hell, the President of United States could

509
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: walk in here and you would treat him like he's

510
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: just another guy. And to me, he's just another guy, right,

511
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: And so as a wonderment as a kid, that's an

512
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: amazing that's an amazing, amazing line. And he has always

513
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: he's always used that because he's opposite like he's the firstborn, right,

514
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: everything is new and adventurous and exciting. I don't it's

515
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: not a big deal to me. Now. What was interesting

516
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 1: for me doing games was Kansas was always the dominant

517
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: team right in this league, and I was on all

518
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: those broadcasts, like they're gonna be on they were gonna

519
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: be on every Monday night. Once I got big Monday,

520
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,959
Speaker 1: so if if if Colorado could play, they weren't on Monday,

521
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: so they gave him a game. It was gonna be

522
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Kansas and Colorado. Right, So, I mean, whether it was

523
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: ever a test to me, I had no problem doing

524
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Kansas teams. And I got Kansas buddies that would go, god,

525
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: you act like you like them, and I said, well, hell,

526
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 1: they're good. I mean, I'm just doing the game, right,

527
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: I'm just doing and and you know, some some people

528
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: would ask, what's hard? Is it hard to do any

529
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: of those games? I said, the reality is all I look,

530
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about who's playing well. I'm not gonna

531
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: hammer the team that's not playing well. And ideally I

532
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: had a game a couple of weeks ago. Let's see

533
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 1: who was it? Uh it was Georgia Vanderbilt Georgia maybe

534
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 1: where Vanderbilt played great the first half, Georgia played great

535
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 1: second half. Perfect I covered both teams well, and Georgia

536
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: comes back and wins by three points. Right, perfect I

537
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: got everything in that first half about that team. I'm not.

538
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: You know, I never had a problem with can and

539
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: you know what, Kansas fans ever had a problem with me. Ever,

540
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: everyone's even doing I did Missouri Kansas games Big Monday

541
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: and CBS Kevin Harlan, and I did enough Kansas Missouri games,

542
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: and I don't think there's an ever issue. I will

543
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,400
Speaker 1: say this because I've got Missouri buddies, because I live

544
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: in Columbia. I will always tell them that they listened

545
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: to the game with tiger ears, right, every fan fan

546
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: listens to that game with their airs, and they can't

547
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: wait for that guy to make a mistake. That that

548
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: that you know, that's so and so he you know,

549
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: Gottlieb never liked us. You know, Joe Buck gets it

550
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 1: from everybody. I think Joe Bucks, so Homer, Joe Buck

551
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: could care less about anything of that, right and none

552
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 1: of And you don't and I don't. By the way,

553
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 1: that the Joe Buck criticism is that is a great

554
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: litmus test. If you tell me, if you want to

555
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: go something negative about Joe Buck, you officially told me

556
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: you have no ability to evaluate somebody's played by play talent, right,

557
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: correct that that's really what you're you're telling me it's

558
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: like trust me. It's like, I mean, we we both

559
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 1: know there's like five or ten guys in the entire

560
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: world that can do what he can do, right, And

561
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: so if you sit there and go, like, you know,

562
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 1: Joe Buck sucks, like, okay, let's do this from now

563
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 1: until he turned you're no longer allowed to have any

564
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: credible thoughts on broadcasters. That's what you said that you've done, right,

565
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: I'll tell you. I'll tell you good Joe Buck. And

566
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: this is this is where I learned it from a

567
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: young Joe Buck. Okay, we're doing Missouri Illinois, and I

568
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: don't think there's one of the greatest games ever. Missouri

569
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: Illinois played a triple overtime game. I'm not sure it

570
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: was this one. But at the start of the game

571
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: in our ear set, in our ear piece, we can't

572
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: I could tell Joe struggling because he would repeat himself,

573
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: welcome back, welcome back, like he'd say it twice. He

574
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: said something was going on that he wasn't picking something up.

575
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: So we get to the first time out, I mean,

576
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: you know, and he just starts motherfucking the producer. You

577
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: guys better fixes. I mean, he's going crazy now I'm saying,

578
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: Joe's twenty five or six years old. And I look

579
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: at him like Jesus calmed down. He said, no, here's

580
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: the thing. It's only you and me that's gonna be

581
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: blasted for broadcast. And I looked at him and I said,

582
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 1: you know you're right now. I'm not quite that. But

583
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: if if my stuff is not working, I'm saying, hey,

584
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 1: get this fixed, because I can't. I either can't hear him.

585
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: I've got echo, I've got you know, and you know,

586
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: I had a young game doing a game and stuff bad.

587
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: I was His thought is that that's It's funny because

588
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: I had a young woman who, um, she's been elevating

589
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: and she's really improved, and she had just started working.

590
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: I was doing my ESPN radio show and I kept

591
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,719
Speaker 1: having she was working the board and it was like

592
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: it was a mistake like every other segment, and it

593
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: was the type of mistake where it was kind of

594
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: screwing me up, like hitting the wrong piece of sound

595
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 1: and taking me to break a little bit early, just

596
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: a couple of things, and you know, she goes sorry

597
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 1: in my ear and I'm I'm usually like, hey, you know,

598
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: I make a mistake every segment sort of guy like,

599
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 1: I know, I do. So finally I got up out

600
00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: of my chair, but I try and never get up,

601
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't go to the bathroom, I don't do anything.

602
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 1: I have that I'm just three hours, That's what I'm doing.

603
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: And then I but I get up out of my

604
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: chair and I go into the the production booth and

605
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: I I said, She's like, I'm so sorry. I'm just

606
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,320
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just I don't know. I was like, listen,

607
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: I understand, okay, get it, Okay, I do a hundred

608
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: two radio shows. Ear screw up. It was like, but

609
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: when you screw up, I sound When I screw up,

610
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: I sound bad. Okay. So I'm in the process of

611
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: trying to screw up less. But you gotta start. I mean,

612
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: you gotta stop sucking up. This is just like again,

613
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're not going to screw up. I'm

614
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: just saying, can we minima? It's like bad shots? Can

615
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: we take fewer best shots? Please? But that's the that's

616
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: the thing that you have that people have to realize. Um, okay,

617
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: so Joe Buck the most. Who else would you put? Like,

618
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: what's Kevin Harlan like to work with, Uh, you know

619
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 1: the best. I mean, I'm gonna say all these guys

620
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 1: the bet Kevin. If you know Kevin, he's kind of

621
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: a quiet guy. Yeah, you know, simple, humble, as good

622
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: a person as you ever ever meet. When the lights

623
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,760
Speaker 1: come on. When the lights come on, that voice gets

624
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,839
Speaker 1: pretty you know, it's animated. It was a great mix

625
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 1: for me because I'm not that way, and uh, you know,

626
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 1: just to be able to work with him. I think

627
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: we did four years of the tournament, and that meant

628
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: we were gonna do four years with one or two

629
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 1: games prior to the tournament, which was great for us

630
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: and great for me because he was he's a pros

631
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: pro and you know, again, I'll say this about a

632
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of guys, nobody's better. I mean, there's a lot

633
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: of guys to me that nobody's better. And Kevin, because

634
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: we got to do Missouri Kansas. That was fun. He's

635
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: a Kansas grad and um Missouri grad. We did it

636
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 1: in the in the right way. I think it would

637
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: have been fun to do a game in another way,

638
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: like it would have been fun maybe to do one

639
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 1: of those Kansas Missouri games and kind of homer each other.

640
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 1: But we didn't do that. That would have been kind

641
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: of that would that would really that was really in

642
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: today's world you maybe could do it a little bit

643
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: of fun because in the old days, Doug, I'll say,

644
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 1: you really never even talked about your album monitor Like

645
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:54,800
Speaker 1: now guys will say, well, you know, you know, whatever

646
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: highlight they'll say, hey, my Missouri teams winning something. It

647
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: has has kind of changed. It definitely changed. And back

648
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: then whenever you never even really assumed you were a

649
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: Missouri grad. But first tournament game you called in c

650
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: double a h Uh. I was with uh Mike Gorman,

651
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: the Boston Celtics voice of the Celtics, Pittsburgh Coppin state

652
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: fifteen seed beat South Carolina, a two seed. That was

653
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:34,040
Speaker 1: your first game. Yeah, it's in Pittsburgh, Okay, so hey,

654
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: the great part about that So the week the week

655
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,719
Speaker 1: prior and you you'll love this. I was doing the

656
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 1: Big twelve semi final. First game. I don't remember who

657
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 1: it was. CBS had the championship game on Sunday, the

658
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: Big twelve, and actually in it was gonna beat Missouri

659
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: and one three days in a row, they're gonna play Kansas.

660
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: I do the first so Billy packers coming in and

661
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: do that, and then that's where they hosted the unveiling

662
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: of the team CBS did. So Billy comes in there, CBS.

663
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: I do the uh the semi final, the first one

664
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. I go catch a plane to Memphis

665
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: to do the final the SEC tournament. Now back then,

666
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: no phones, no stuff. How did you do it? Well?

667
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: How about this. I get on the airplane knowing it's

668
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: probably gonna be Kentucky and South Carolina is like one

669
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: of the best teams in the country. I don't I

670
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,359
Speaker 1: know nothing about South Carolina. Kentucky. You just known by osmosis, right,

671
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: I know the history, not quite sure the players yet,

672
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: but I'll figure it out. On this plane right from

673
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: Memphis case, I'm looking at stuff there. There weren't game

674
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: notes back then like they do now. I had a

675
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: media guy that someone sent that South Carolina maybe or

676
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: the blue ribbon or something. Yeah, looking So I'm looking

677
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: through and I'm looking at South Carolina players like I

678
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: know zero about him. I'd land in, I get a

679
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: cab to the Peabody. I walk in and Kentucky blues everywhere,

680
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 1: and a guy says, hey, you know knows me or something,

681
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, what was the South Carolina? How

682
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: big South Carolina win? He goes they didn't win. Georgia

683
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: upset him and I was like, holy shit, I know

684
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: nothing about Georgia. So the CBS guys are there, like, hey,

685
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna go to dinner. I said, well, I'm not.

686
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: I said, I need a TV in my room. I

687
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 1: need to semi final game tape of Georgia South Carolina.

688
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: I need the Kentucky semifinal. I'm gonna order some Ribs Rendezvous.

689
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't think I went to bed, like, I don't

690
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: think I went to bed because now I got to

691
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: do this game that I know nothing about. Now here

692
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 1: was the bad the good part. Maybe I'm working with

693
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: Timmy Brando. So tim who's SEC guy at the time,

694
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 1: he knows everything about him everything, and he tells me,

695
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: he said, John, we're gonna have a blow up. It

696
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: was the same thing I was thinking of Kansas City

697
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 1: because Missouri played three games. Now they're gonna play Kansas

698
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: They're gonna get blown out. And they did close to

699
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,560
Speaker 1: thirty that happened that we played that we did the

700
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:08,319
Speaker 1: four and four days and we played It was two

701
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: two years later and we just had nothing for that

702
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: fun that fourth day. Well, in my final at SEC

703
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: was a blow. Kentucky beat Georgia by a third, so

704
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: all we talked about was the n C double a turn,

705
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,800
Speaker 1: but it was that South Carolina team. Then I had

706
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: at Pittsburgh. Coppin State beats them, which I think the

707
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 1: first time of fifteen, beat up two and then Mitchell

708
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 1: Fank Mitchell. And then the next round Coppin State played Texas,

709
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: which was easy for me, and I want to say,

710
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: I mean it was Penders remember Reggie Freeman. I think

711
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: it was. I think I think Texas won by a point.

712
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: Like Coppin State was close to go to the Sweet

713
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 1: sixteen way back then. So that was my first, uh

714
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:58,480
Speaker 1: first CBS as far my first tournament game was Pittsburgh

715
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: Jamie Dixon Stephen Adams was a freshman. He took on

716
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 1: Wichita State. It was in Salt Lake City and uh,

717
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: and it was actually a close game for about in

718
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: the first half as close game and uh, I think

719
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: Lamar Patterson was Pittsburgh's best player, and he drove to

720
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: the hoop and went by his guy and as he

721
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,439
Speaker 1: did with his left arm, it kind of mistakenly hit

722
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: van Bleet in the face. Fred van Blee was a

723
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: freshman in the face with an elbow. Now he's going

724
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: to lay the ball in in inverted elbow and if

725
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: you remember, and it's still they kind of changed rules

726
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: where now it's a basketball move, but back then, uh,

727
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: it was just if you hit a guy in the

728
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: face with an elbow is a is a flagrant. So

729
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: he had two fouls, he makes it and one they

730
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: wipe that off called foul on him. It's his third

731
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 1: person foul. And what was like a Pittsburgh lead, they

732
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 1: wipe that off the board, which it's called free throwers

733
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: passions out. They get beat by twenty and I went

734
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 1: on this rant about how this is the dumbest thing

735
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: we do in our It was like my first and

736
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: I've done CBS games, I'm working for CBS. Was my

737
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 1: first n C A term game. And you know how

738
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: most and I'm not trying to be critical of guys

739
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: that call, but most of those guys it's really CBS

740
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 1: wants to push. It's about the stories, you know, about

741
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,280
Speaker 1: just the game. You know, it's not really an opinion

742
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: space in how they prefer the tournament to be but

743
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: I've always I'm just me, and so that's true, you know.

744
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, this is the dumbest thing we do.

745
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: Anybody who's ever played basketball knows you're gonna catch an elbow.

746
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: You know. Basketball is a contact sport. There's no way

747
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 1: in which a guy is going to lay the basketball

748
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: in and he purposely lines you up and elbows you

749
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: in the face. It just happened. And now we take

750
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: three points essentially out the board. We put the best

751
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: player in the foul trouble, we stopped the game. We

752
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: reviewed fifty times over. This is the dumbest thing we do,

753
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: and it got picked up on. So then this now

754
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,720
Speaker 1: the second game I did. So it's me and Spirodidas

755
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: and it's Southern taking on Gonzaca, and damn of Southern

756
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: isn't tied with four minutes and change to go bringing

757
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: the ball up the court, and it's in Salt Lake,

758
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: and there's eighteen thousand seat arena, so fourteen thousand people

759
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: come to their feet in their cheering for Southern right,

760
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: and we go to break and that under four time

761
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: out and you get the hey, guys, you know we're

762
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: coming to you now. We didn't I wasn't. This wasn't

763
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: in the world we had them. We had it was Turners,

764
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: so there was all the games were on. You know,

765
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't the where you were because you guys were

766
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: doing games sometimes that nobody actually even saw, right, Yeah,

767
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: certain parts of the country only. Yeah, but you know

768
00:43:57,200 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: we're coming and we're elbowing each other, like are you kidding?

769
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 1: We're gonna do the first six people and uh and

770
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: Southern was amazing, and I mean Gonzaga ends up losing

771
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: the next game to which top, but that was like

772
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: that was my first session was which takes down Pitt

773
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: and Southern almost upsets Gonzaga, and you're like, wow, this

774
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: is this is pretty pretty fantastic. You'll like this. In

775
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: my second year, I worked with Gus Johnson. So Gus

776
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 1: and I not only had the first weekend, but we

777
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: also had the second weekend, Sweet sixteen, lead eight and

778
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: this was Utah that went to the final four. They

779
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 1: beat Arizona. But the night before that game, we're going

780
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: to dinner CBS guys, I'm meeting him there whatever restaurant

781
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: Anaheim and I walk in and over the corner is

782
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: Rick m Jaris and George Carl. So, George Carl Sonics

783
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: are playing the Lakers. They're in town. Yeah, so I

784
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: go over there and have a seat and say hi.

785
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: Those two guys are drawn on a nap well a clothing. Yes,

786
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 1: they were drunk. They were drawn up. True story, boxing

787
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: one triangle too and going through. And I sat there

788
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: for just a few minutes. The only story that would

789
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: have been better is if you said, Rick, you know

790
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: he's trying. I should I shouldn't. I should change it

791
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: since Rick passed away, I should just make a story.

792
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: But true story. So George Carl, they're they're drawing this

793
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 1: triangle too, knowing that you're gonna give up a lot.

794
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: And if and if lud Olson, who's a great coach,

795
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: he says, you know what if if, they're gonna kill us.

796
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: But we gotta try something. And George is going through

797
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: some areas of where they could move these guys. So

798
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: the next day, here we are at this game. They

799
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: trianglem to Miles Simon and Mike Bibby. Right, Arizona got

800
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 1: what they wanted. They got what they wanted, They got

801
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: shots they wanted because you can if you're patient enough,

802
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: they shouldn't make them. They didn't make anything, and Utah

803
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: just kick the hell beat him, just drolling, and Arizona

804
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: might have been the best team that. Yeah, they're they're

805
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: defending national champions. Yeah, and I mean that that's a

806
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: story that Yeah. I remember walking in and I knew

807
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 1: George Carl you know NBA stuff right to say hi,

808
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: and Rick was, you know, I've just done their Sweet

809
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 1: sixteen game and here, and I think he offered the

810
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: lady that he would buy the cloth napkin. She was like, no,

811
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: you guys are fine, Like it's literally they're drawing on

812
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: this stuff. Great, great story. I mean, that's pretty good stuff.

813
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: Those are those are the best. I always thought. Um,

814
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 1: I loved the camaraderie of all the CBS guys hanging

815
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 1: out and stuff. But where I struggle with was they

816
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: were like, hey, you gotta go to you should go

817
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: to dinner with your crew, which I agree with the differences.

818
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 1: I like to go to dinner with the coach, you know,

819
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: because you know, like you going to Kansas and Bill

820
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: like come over and just have dinner at the house.

821
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: You find out everything, and so you get back from

822
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: a game, like why didn't you go to dinner with

823
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,040
Speaker 1: the crew, and I was like, well, because I went

824
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: to Bill Sells house like yeah, like we want you

825
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 1: to go to dinner with the really okay, but they

826
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 1: when you have when you have the answers to the

827
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: test beforehand, it's really fun. My I'm my challenge on

828
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: all of it. All of it was because I had

829
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 1: another business. Was when I got to a place the

830
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 1: game site, no matter ESPN, ESPN, Regional, CBS, that was

831
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: when I worked at the the game. Yeah. So if

832
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 1: guys said, hey, let's go to dinner, I said, no,

833
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: I I gotta do my stuff like I'm behind, like

834
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 1: I'll be up and for the tournament was the same way.

835
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: I'd be up like all night to do those four

836
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: gates to know yes yes. And I always felt I

837
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: felt naked if I didn't know everything, even though I

838
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: wasn't going to use everything, but if I didn't know everything,

839
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 1: which was really probably a downfall because sometimes you've overloaded

840
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: your circuits. And I think as a broadcaster, if you

841
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: unload it and just do what's in front of you,

842
00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: right that that's that's all you need to do, is

843
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: what's in front of you. And you've got a lot

844
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:03,919
Speaker 1: of stuff around you and there's a lot of things

845
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: coming in your ear and not your ear. Your play

846
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 1: by play guy might be trying to fire a question

847
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: that you that you're really not thinking about. Right. I

848
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: think Kevin Harland was the best always that during a

849
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 1: time out of a break, he would always say, Hey,

850
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: what can I set you up? What are you thinking?

851
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: And I might be saying, Hey, I'm thinking about Bill

852
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: just put in that third guard and here's what he's doing.

853
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 1: Instead of some guys ask you a question why you're

854
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: doing the game? What that they're thinking that you're not

855
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 1: thinking like you know guys, and then it's it almost

856
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: sounds when they ask you a question you have to

857
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: like stop and make sure you don't sound like a jerk, correct,

858
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: because because that's not even close to what's going on.

859
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 1: That's correct. And it is amazing that we're in the

860
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: communication business. You're sitting right next to each other, and

861
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: there are people that can be a complete disconnect, and

862
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's very similar to kids in terms

863
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: of players these days right where players will um. I

864
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: had a coach tell me like, hey, during a time out,

865
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: if I put five cell phones down their chairs, they

866
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: would actually talk to each other. But they don't, you know.

867
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 1: But we do that same thing in broadcast when we

868
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: go to break and you know, you're talking to a

869
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: producer about hey can we come back with and this

870
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,879
Speaker 1: other guys you know, looking the stat guy where you're

871
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,840
Speaker 1: right next to each other, just talk to talk to

872
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: one another. You know. There's also a lot of fear though,

873
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,439
Speaker 1: I think because some of that back hall stuff gets out.

874
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: There is a lot like they cut you know, like

875
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 1: I've I'm a big hey open up my mic so

876
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: I can we can all talk to one another guy

877
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: and you have to ask them to do that now

878
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: because some of that back hall stuff is it gets out.

879
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,439
Speaker 1: But I think the challenge too is is depending on

880
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: the comfort level the guy you're with, like in his job,

881
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 1: in his job, yes, because everybody's everybody's doing an audition

882
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: for the next gig, right, they want a bigger game,

883
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: bigger gig. So often, not all the time, there'll be

884
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: a play by play guy who wants to throw a

885
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: little because he's been to the shooter a round. Yes,

886
00:50:06,680 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: knows that Kansas runs a two three zone. Yes, so

887
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: let me let me, let let me do the hy

888
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,919
Speaker 1: you do the what you know, and we all know. Look,

889
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 1: it's it's funny. I'll give you a guy's name who

890
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do that, but um, I want to get

891
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: Roxy Bernstein on my my pod. I think Roxy is

892
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:33,480
Speaker 1: a gem of a dude, and he's a very good broadcaster.

893
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: But in his early days of working at ESPN, he'll

894
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: even tell you, like you talked about copious notes, like

895
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: my god, Roxy even know everything. We know the birth

896
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: weight of every kid on the team, which is great,

897
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: but he would try and jam it all in there

898
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: and just you know, with play by play calls, get

899
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,399
Speaker 1: all these notes in. And I work with a guy

900
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: who I thought I've always thought it was very good

901
00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:01,239
Speaker 1: play played Daved Revson, who had the same amount of information,

902
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,719
Speaker 1: only he was much more judicious with how he put

903
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 1: it in. And I think it comes from at least

904
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: for me personally. I told Roxy this. You know, I

905
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: have a level of insecurity that you know I don't.

906
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: I don't want that somebody's gonna find out, like you said,

907
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: like we didn't actually pay attention to every game, every moment,

908
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, So I want to know everything and that

909
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 1: sounds like an idiot, But you can't try and prove

910
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: yourself with every call it just like Reverend We we

911
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 1: both learned from a guy named danced here. Hey, get

912
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: it in at the free throw line, get in during

913
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: a dead ball. You know, take your time. There's no

914
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: reason to jam it in anyway. So like Roxy, I

915
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: think he and I talked about it, like we did

916
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,279
Speaker 1: a tournament in Hawaii together. He's like, what do you think?

917
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, hey, can I just tell you

918
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 1: like friend and friend, like you have all that, you

919
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: have all the information you need, but you don't have

920
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:56,239
Speaker 1: to get it into every broadcast, like leave it on

921
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: the cutting room floor. And he's like, yeah, it's just

922
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: that it's a baseball habit where you have so much

923
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: time to get so much stuff in. And he's bekay,

924
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: I think he's phenomenal now, um, but yeah, it's the

925
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: same thing with with me in terms of doing color

926
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: and then you do you have to play by play guy.

927
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: There's other guys that they want to be the color analyst. Yeah,

928
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 1: and you're like, yeah that changed. You know the old

929
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 1: days we didn't really go to a lot of shoot arounds,

930
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: Like I might see the coach five minutes for the game,

931
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: like as an analyst to say, hey, what are you

932
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: guys trying to do tonight. Nowadays everybody goes to shoot

933
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: around right the everybody's there. I still think if I

934
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: get the coach one on one, he's gonna give me

935
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: a lot more than if I go with the play

936
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,920
Speaker 1: by play guy director, producer. There. There's still a little gunshot.

937
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: But what media will throw out there, No, no, no,

938
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,719
Speaker 1: the former players not going to empty. Plus you've done it.

939
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: Plus you've done it for years, there's instant credibility. You know.

940
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: It's like it's like I tell you what I out,

941
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: So now I do my radio show usually from the

942
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: site of you know, from the gym, and that's cool. Yeah,

943
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 1: And it's great because then you're like you're not studying

944
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: their shoe rounds going on the background, or you're in

945
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: a different room, but you'll pop in and see the

946
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: coach and it's just much more organic where they realize,

947
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 1: like you just there's a relationship there when you've done

948
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,439
Speaker 1: in a while, and it's not always the head coach.

949
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you s down in the system that you've known

950
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: forever and they tell you everything you know they do,

951
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: and then you just gotta be judicist with how you

952
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: how you put it out I think what people don't

953
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 1: realize is how much goes into it's your group, it's

954
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 1: your team, right, how you guys work together. Now, if

955
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: you're with the same group all the time, it's pretty easy.

956
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: But when it's different, And again I always say, like

957
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: this with ESPN, everybody's auditioning for the next gig, right right,

958
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 1: So so there's an you can overdo a lot of stuff,

959
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 1: and that's I think that's the challenge, especially in today's

960
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 1: world with younger, younger casts, that's the toughest part. Will

961
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: we ever? Is there a way to get college basketball

962
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: to where it was? And by that, I mean, you

963
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 1: know it's it's um like dick By Tew obviously going

964
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 1: through his cancer stuff. And I don't know if I

965
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: don't believe players today understand the dick By tal thing

966
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,239
Speaker 1: right When I played, and occasionally you would get what's

967
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: called dick right, which is you're getting ready to a

968
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 1: game and they're like, by Tao wants to do it,

969
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: and he does it. But it was a show in

970
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: and of itself. It was so big, so a lot

971
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: most times he would do the Big East Big Monday Game,

972
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 1: or it would be Billis and Raft three with mcdonnaugh.

973
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: Then to you guys, you and Ron Franklin doing Big

974
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 1: Monday like that, that was the biggest when we played

975
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 1: on Big Monday. Literally everyone I knew in basketball watched

976
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: those games, and the numbers were the numbers were huge,

977
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Like viewer of rich Ship was unbelievable for that Monday

978
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: Night unbelievable. How is there any way to get that

979
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: back to the college game. No, because every games on TV, right,

980
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:12,720
Speaker 1: every every game that your album monitor of my album

981
00:55:12,760 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: monitor play is on TV every game. So Monday Night

982
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: is not any more special than Super Tuesday. Or there's

983
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 1: a Wednesday or a Friday gig or a Saturday game

984
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: or Sunday. Every game's on So there's not a moment

985
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: where you're capturing the country. Which back then you did

986
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: you have that Big East, Big twelve, pack twelve or

987
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:38,120
Speaker 1: pack tit whatever it was, right, and those those when

988
00:55:38,120 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: they had to pack, when they had packed or they

989
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: also had Big West. There was a time they were

990
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,680
Speaker 1: were kids and they had Big West. Was the last

991
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: one on Big Monday, and that was a zoo and

992
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: it was always you know, like you see Santa Barbara

993
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: or whatever. But still you had the three in a row. Yeah,

994
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: that's what I grew up with. And I was like,

995
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: if if I was at still Water doing your guys

996
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 1: game and I'm heading back to hotel to watch that

997
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 1: next one, right to say, man, who's gonna you know this?

998
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: I mean it was part of the Monday Night. Was

999
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 1: a big deal. It was a big deal. It was fun,

1000
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,320
Speaker 1: fun for us, fun for Ron and myself because you

1001
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 1: knew the Monday game. They put the teams on that game,

1002
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 1: we're gonna be that was the game, right Oklahoma State, Kansas,

1003
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, Oklahoma, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, Kansas. I would stay

1004
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: when they were great Kansas. I mean every Monday you

1005
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:26,439
Speaker 1: walked into that gym and you were like, oh man,

1006
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: this is fun, Like this is fun. And you mentioned

1007
00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned Ron Ron frankly passed away and you did,

1008
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: you did big Tel games for years with him. Now

1009
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,319
Speaker 1: he was and I kind of plained that, like he

1010
00:56:37,400 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: lived in Austin, he loved the Horns. He doesn't and

1011
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: he wasn't he wasn't a Texas grad, but he loves no. No,

1012
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 1: it was it was a weird. It was a weird thing. Yum,

1013
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: just give me, give me one. Ron Franklin story that

1014
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: that no one's hurt. Uh. You know Ron Ron was

1015
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: a perfectionist and what he did so he he could

1016
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: be really tough on the truck, right, And if Ron

1017
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: didn't want to read card number four, he's not going

1018
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: to read card number four. But but they're putting that

1019
00:57:13,640 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: on the screen. So for people, let me let me

1020
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: just explain. For people who listen to the spot, Okay,

1021
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: so all those uh those it's called a read promotions, liners, whatever.

1022
00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: There's a stage director who's usually on the other side.

1023
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: There's four people at a desk. Okay. The stat guy

1024
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: usually sits right next to the play by play voice,

1025
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: and then the stage director is either standing up or

1026
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: is standing is sitting to the right of you and

1027
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: me right, and they pass it and the producer will say,

1028
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,959
Speaker 1: all right, uh, you know, like John layout, which means

1029
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 1: don't talk layout, run card four. So and then they're

1030
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 1: gonna put a corresponding let's just say advertisement, you know,

1031
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: like a full screen or a or a lower third

1032
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: of a promotion. Duke Carolina March third, coach K's last game.

1033
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: Whatever card goes to. So somebody hands so you're sitting there,

1034
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: it's some really awkward thing. Oftentimes there's a hand comes

1035
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: across and here's the card to run Frank of what happens.

1036
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: So the worst was when uh ESPN was doing Season

1037
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: on the Break, right, that was the Bobby Nights story, Yes,

1038
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: and we were promoting the heck out. I mean it

1039
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: was like every commercial coming up next Tuesday, Season on

1040
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 1: the Break, so we're big Monday and Ron Ron's had

1041
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 1: enough of Season on the Break, like he's had enough

1042
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:48,920
Speaker 1: of promoting Season on the Break. And every time it

1043
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 1: would show up on here's on the screen Jake cutlow.

1044
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:56,400
Speaker 1: Our producers say, Ron read card number four, and he

1045
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 1: hit his talk back and I could hear. I mean,

1046
00:58:58,120 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: I'm not reading. I'm not reading. And Ken Dennis are

1047
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 1: our director who you might know. Ken would say in

1048
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: my ear, hey, Sonny, could you just promote the deal?

1049
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,800
Speaker 1: And I might say, Hey, Tuesday night, Season on the Break,

1050
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Night, blah blah blah blah. So this went on

1051
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 1: the whole game, and the best line ever was came

1052
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 1: back from a time out in the studio. Had it

1053
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: they're promoting Season on the Break. Yeah, let's go out

1054
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: to Ron and John and it's still on our screen

1055
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:32,280
Speaker 1: and Jake Cutlo says, Ron, read the card, and I'm

1056
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: not reading the car. Read the card now this is

1057
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: all going on? Ye Finally Ron says, well then okay,

1058
00:59:38,440 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: He says it's on the air. Okay, then I'll just

1059
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 1: promo the promo and he reads reads the card now

1060
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:46,640
Speaker 1: just sitting there, gone. Oh. He didn't like to do

1061
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 1: with the promotion there, he didn't, but he was you know,

1062
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: he was a perfectionist. And here's what he wanted. He

1063
00:59:53,320 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: wanted our game to be the focal point when it

1064
00:59:56,880 --> 01:00:00,200
Speaker 1: was our time. Right, we were just leaving the Big

1065
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 1: East game. We're about ready to tip off. Now we

1066
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: could have a two minute opening for one minute opening

1067
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,959
Speaker 1: to talk about Oklahoma State Texas. What a game we've got.

1068
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, Syracuse and Georgetown just finished, but

1069
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna interview be hund Well, Ron, it's like, what

1070
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:22,040
Speaker 1: the hell they gonna interview him for when it's our

1071
01:00:22,120 --> 01:00:23,840
Speaker 1: time to have a two minute open. Well, now, all

1072
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:25,479
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we're down to a one minute open,

1073
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,160
Speaker 1: down to thirty seconds down to Hey, you're gonna get

1074
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 1: it on the tip No, no on camera, no on camera.

1075
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 1: And then Ron is m f and the people out

1076
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 1: East to go, hey, it's our time at eight o'clock,

1077
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: our game, get it to us. And I always thought,

1078
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: you know what, Yeah, I'm with you, I'm riding with

1079
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,440
Speaker 1: you that it should come to us earlier than to

1080
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,560
Speaker 1: talk to a player and a coach. But you and

1081
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: I both know. I mean, Big East basketball back then

1082
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: was Big East basketball. But Ron Ron was I was

1083
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 1: precious to work with it. I mean it was fun

1084
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,560
Speaker 1: and he had a tent of Longhorn in it, which

1085
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't never get because he was an old miss

1086
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,800
Speaker 1: grand and I. But he loved the low he loved

1087
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: Rick Barnes. Uh. If it was Texas, Oklahoma, Texas, Oklaoma State, Texas, Kansas. Uh,

1088
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, I was kind of buckle up. We're gonna

1089
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: have a we're gonna have a we're gonna have a

1090
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: great broadcast. But it was always gonna be interesting. Give

1091
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: me a coach who you generally maybe didn't have relationship with,

1092
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: didn't know where, maybe he didn't even like, and then

1093
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: you got to know him and became a friend. I

1094
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: don't know if I had any that I didn't know

1095
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,640
Speaker 1: or like. Here here's where my advantage was. Doug is

1096
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:41,560
Speaker 1: probably because I played in the league and not only

1097
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 1: played in the old Big Eight, but then played in

1098
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: the NBA. When I came back, every coach was very receptive,

1099
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 1: had great relationship, like Tim Floyd. I did Tim Floyd's

1100
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: first Kansas Iowa State game at Iowa State. Uh. He

1101
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:02,960
Speaker 1: called me, said, I'll pick you up for breakfast and

1102
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:06,520
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I believe it was Jack Bonds. Team

1103
01:02:06,680 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: could have been Hoiberg. I'm not sure if it was,

1104
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 1: but I told him, I said, dude, there's magic in

1105
01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,880
Speaker 1: this freaking building. You got You're gonna play great today.

1106
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: But you know, things like that. I remember going to

1107
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:20,960
Speaker 1: I did a lot of Oklahoma games, going into a

1108
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: practice Kelvin. I had my sport code on traveling. Calvin

1109
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 1: called me out and said, if he makes two free throws,

1110
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:33,240
Speaker 1: practices done. Now again, this is the whole team standing there.

1111
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: I've got probably a button shirt on, and you know,

1112
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: in your mind you're thinking, well, this is easy, but

1113
01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:43,160
Speaker 1: this ain't easy, Like these dudes are not is not

1114
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 1: not like quality shooting, and and you know, here are

1115
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: these guys looking at me. They kind of know who

1116
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,600
Speaker 1: I am, don't know. I mean, I get it, and uh,

1117
01:02:52,080 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 1: but both of those were all net But I never

1118
01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: really had dad a bad relationship with anybody. I just

1119
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 1: only say because I ran into Billy Kennedy, who's official

1120
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: Billy Kennedy, the African American offishal. So my junior year,

1121
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 1: again you're calling the games. We we were picked a

1122
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 1: winning league and we're kind of disappointing. And again we

1123
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: had that fifth place. We beat Baylor, and then the

1124
01:03:19,280 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: next night and that was that was the coach got fired.

1125
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 1: And then we pay and then and then we played, Um,

1126
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 1: I think we played must play Texas next night. If

1127
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: the five played, they played the one for the four player. Now,

1128
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,640
Speaker 1: if I think we played the one, we played Texas

1129
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 1: who won the league. And it was ricks first year there.

1130
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,520
Speaker 1: They started six and ten and they went in a

1131
01:03:44,600 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 1: win the league. And it's a really close, really physical game,

1132
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:52,480
Speaker 1: and we're taking the ball out go in the other

1133
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: direction at like right in front of Rick's pitch, and

1134
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:59,400
Speaker 1: I look at Billy Kennedy and I turned to Rick

1135
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 1: and I said, hey, coach Duddy looked like Danny Glover

1136
01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: and and Billy kind of got he he got a

1137
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 1: little flustered. And then the whole bench is dying laughing,

1138
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 1: and and Rick says, why don't you just shut the

1139
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 1: funk up and play, you know, because it caught him

1140
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: totally off guard, and and Rick was and he was

1141
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: he was like, I didn't realize he was such a

1142
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: smartass for the longest time, you know, Like the ball

1143
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 1: would go out in front of him, and he's like,

1144
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:31,840
Speaker 1: I don't even know why you're in the game. You

1145
01:04:31,880 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: can't shoot at all, Like just talking a little bit,

1146
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:37,160
Speaker 1: little bit of Norm Stewart in him. So I'll never forget,

1147
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: you know. I started broadcasting games and uh my first year,

1148
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: they had a gut uh Botaker I think was his name,

1149
01:04:46,880 --> 01:04:50,280
Speaker 1: the Big White Kid, Yes, and he was one of

1150
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: those guys that every game there was a foul that

1151
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,280
Speaker 1: was a little too hard, you know, and everybody in

1152
01:04:56,320 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: the league hated him and thought he was he was

1153
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: the Jason Sutherland of the of the of the Big

1154
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:03,800
Speaker 1: Twelve at that point in time. And I said something

1155
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: along lines of like, the only people who like Bodiker

1156
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: are guys in Texas much everybody else hates that kid.

1157
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 1: And I said on TV, and I'll never get a

1158
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: couple of years in, I went to Austin a little

1159
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 1: early and Rick said like, hey, let's have you ever done?

1160
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: You should go do yoga, and he set me up

1161
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 1: with a hotel placed to yoga placed eat. He and

1162
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 1: I met up for coffee and I was like, this

1163
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,600
Speaker 1: guy is the greatest guy ever. I had no idea

1164
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: that Rick was just he's just as smart ass like

1165
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,960
Speaker 1: like everybody else. And he pulls me at one time

1166
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: we're having a cup of coffee and he says, uh,

1167
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: you know what you said about Potoker? I said, yeah,

1168
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:44,560
Speaker 1: he goes. You know, the truth is we all kind

1169
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:46,360
Speaker 1: of didn't like him either, because in practice he would

1170
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: foul just as hard and we're like, hey, same, you know,

1171
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: like friendly fire. But it's just interesting on how when

1172
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:56,320
Speaker 1: you unwrap some of the layers of somebody's guys, you

1173
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: start to realize most of them are really good guys.

1174
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,720
Speaker 1: They wouldn't be. You can't be a head coach if

1175
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:07,600
Speaker 1: you're not incredibly engaging in personal because that's more of

1176
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:10,479
Speaker 1: the job than the actual X and o's and Rick's

1177
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: a perfect example of who I think is a gem

1178
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:15,760
Speaker 1: of a dude. And I had as a player. I

1179
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: just thought it was kind of weird and kind of

1180
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: a jerk and I had no idea. I'll tell you

1181
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 1: a good Rick story. Did did you play against t J? Ford?

1182
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: Or was he before? You know? He he was after?

1183
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,360
Speaker 1: He was after me? Okay, So anyway, I'm doing a

1184
01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: Saturday and Saturday afternoon game Texas and Okloma State, and

1185
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 1: then so I go to shoot around is in the

1186
01:06:36,040 --> 01:06:37,959
Speaker 1: morning because the game was at two o'clock or something

1187
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 1: three o'clock. So Rick says, you got us Monday night, right,

1188
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:44,680
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, that in Austin. He said, how you

1189
01:06:44,720 --> 01:06:48,560
Speaker 1: getting there? I said, well, I'm gonna drive tomorrow morning

1190
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,000
Speaker 1: to Tulsa and I'll fly from Tulsa to Austin. He goes, well,

1191
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: why don't you just fly with us? I said it

1192
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: would be great, but I've got this National rental car.

1193
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 1: I have to get back to Tulsa. He said, I

1194
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: don't about just meet us at the bus afterwards. So

1195
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: I parked in my spot GALLAGHERAI, but you know, a

1196
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: really good spot. Have my suitcase, whatever I had with

1197
01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 1: me in my bag. Wait for Texas to come out.

1198
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 1: Rick's going, y'all set, got your stuff? I go, yeah,

1199
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:17,880
Speaker 1: He takes my keys. He locks the car at National.

1200
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 1: He said, you got the National number. I go, yeah,

1201
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,720
Speaker 1: throws the keys in, locks the door, says okay. Now

1202
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 1: call National and say their cars in You know what

1203
01:07:26,560 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 1: is it lots see parking spot four and you gotta

1204
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,560
Speaker 1: go catch a plane and they can come get their car.

1205
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: I was like, should this is great? So I called National,

1206
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 1: got on his airplane. You flew with the long hoards

1207
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: and then Rick took me to the Marriott, you know which.

1208
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: Now here's another funny part. I used to tell this

1209
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: to my wife. ESPN Regional. I would stay at some

1210
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 1: little small whatever place in Austin, move up. The ESPN

1211
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: was at the Good Marriott. If I did a CBS

1212
01:07:54,800 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: games at the Ritz, right, yeah, you know hey, different

1213
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: different size cars at different I mean everything was different.

1214
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: Bigger room, bigger stuff everything, bigger food bills. Yeah, and

1215
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:08,320
Speaker 1: it was the same game I was doing, just a

1216
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 1: different different That's funny. Um, I'll never forget. Like Dave

1217
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 1: Revson and I we did a game in Vegas and

1218
01:08:16,280 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: it was like I remember, it was an ESPN game

1219
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: and we stayed at like the Amera Amera Suits, which

1220
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: is basically like in the runway of McCarron Airport. And

1221
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: I remember calling Tree like I was I was you know,

1222
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: we're both I was very I was probably twenty eight

1223
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: at the time doing games, and I've been doing a

1224
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:37,160
Speaker 1: couple of years, and so I didn't say anything to anybody, right,

1225
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,320
Speaker 1: but revers like calling them like, are you fucking kidding me?

1226
01:08:40,400 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 1: We're in Las Vegas, like we I we don't need

1227
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 1: to stay at the you know, we don't need to

1228
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: stay at the High But you can't find something better

1229
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: than the runway. Um, But part of that is, I

1230
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 1: don't know, part of it is the the I actually

1231
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: enjoy it in the ruggedness of Hey, I really love

1232
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 1: what I'm doing. I don't really care, but there is

1233
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 1: a certain level of I was CBS always would send

1234
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:08,000
Speaker 1: you a town car. Yeah, that's what they do now,

1235
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: is a town car. And I remember we did an

1236
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,000
Speaker 1: organ Arizona game and I fly into Eugene and they

1237
01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:17,120
Speaker 1: got like a car service waiting for me, and I

1238
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 1: just felt like the biggest cheese ball ever, Like I

1239
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: got a guy driving, like, Eugene's not the kind of

1240
01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: place you need to if you're in the city, get it.

1241
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: You're in Chicago, understood, You're in Eugene, Oregon. I can

1242
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:29,280
Speaker 1: rent a car and drop it off. When I'm done,

1243
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: I'm good. Well, I always I always rented a car

1244
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: only because I wanted access to go. Come we go

1245
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,720
Speaker 1: when I want it, and I really never. Yes, they

1246
01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: want to drive you, I I But but CBS always

1247
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: had a lot more stuff than ESPN or ESPN Regional

1248
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: did back in the day. Last things. Um, you've done

1249
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:55,960
Speaker 1: just about everything in broadcasting. Do you what what's what's

1250
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: what's the goal? I mean, like you do it? You

1251
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 1: don't need the money. No, you love the game? Yeah,

1252
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:06,440
Speaker 1: you love calling? You love calling the game? Yeah? Um,

1253
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:10,160
Speaker 1: and but but what's the like? Do you want to

1254
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: get back to doing the tournament? Do you just like

1255
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: doing you know, the league and occasionally a big twelve game? Like?

1256
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 1: What's your personal If I asked you and and nobody

1257
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:21,840
Speaker 1: was listening, what do you really want to do in

1258
01:10:21,880 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 1: broadcasting for these next five years, ten years? What would

1259
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:27,839
Speaker 1: it be? Honestly, I don't think I have an answer.

1260
01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:30,880
Speaker 1: I every year I think it will be my last

1261
01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: until then they call up again, Stay, hey, will you

1262
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Speaker 1: do twenty five games because you're because you I'm competitive enough.

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01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: When I don't do some games I think I should do.

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01:10:41,400 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 1: But then again, I don't talk to anybody about it.

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01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 1: For instance, this year Big twelve SEC Challenge there were

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01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 1: ten games, right, ten games Big twelve SEC. Now, I

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01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: think I'd be a perfect guy on a Big twelve

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01:10:58,720 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: SEC Challenge game. Did the Big twelve played the Big Eight? Uh?

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01:11:04,280 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: One with one would think yeah, I would think I

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01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 1: didn't have one of those games. I had one of

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01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 1: the two games that were the SEC games on the

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01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:16,320
Speaker 1: SEC network. Right. So that's when you kind of get

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01:11:16,320 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 1: a little competitive to go, what the hell is going

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01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 1: on here? Like why wouldn't you? Uh? Is the goal

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01:11:22,680 --> 01:11:27,639
Speaker 1: to do more stuff? Not necessarily there really isn't a goal.

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01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:31,960
Speaker 1: Uh could be if I made contacts to say, hey,

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01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: I need to do more stuff, But we'll see. It's

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01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,200
Speaker 1: kind of plays its way every year. I kind of

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01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 1: think I'm done. Every year. I think, wow, that's probably enough. Now,

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01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 1: what's changes COVID? Because we've done it from home. It

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01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: took two years and I haven't been traveling. That's pretty

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01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: easy when you don't travel. Now, when you go back

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01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,240
Speaker 1: on the road, you wear out. I mean you know it,

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01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: you get tired. Uh, But so far, I mean I don't.

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01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 1: I haven't have worn out. And I think sometimes they're

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01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,920
Speaker 1: probably looking for younger people than me. But you know,

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01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,120
Speaker 1: if I get good game, any game could be a

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01:12:02,120 --> 01:12:04,720
Speaker 1: good game. Any any game. I mean that Auburn and

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01:12:04,720 --> 01:12:07,160
Speaker 1: Georgia went down the last bucket. I the game, the

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01:12:07,200 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 1: game I saw you, Hey and m in Kentucky. The

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01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 1: atmosphere was unbelievable. Right, so any game could be a

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01:12:12,760 --> 01:12:15,519
Speaker 1: good game. Well, I'll leave you. I'll leave you with this,

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01:12:15,640 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: and I do I want to I want to do

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01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 1: some more, do some more storytelling and more more pot talk.

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01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: I'll leave with this. There's three guys who called games who.

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01:12:26,240 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: When I started doing it, I said, I want to

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01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: be a mix of those three. Okay, you and Billy Packer.

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01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: You and you and Billy Packer were two, and I

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01:12:42,479 --> 01:12:45,800
Speaker 1: love and Jeff Van Gundhy like, those are the those

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01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 1: are the those are the three. Well, what I've always

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01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:54,000
Speaker 1: been impressed by is obviously your economy of words is

1302
01:12:54,040 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: really good. You can say a lot, but while not

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01:12:56,320 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 1: saying a ton matter of factness of it where it

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01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 1: doesn't come across either too too excited or mean spirited.

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01:13:07,400 --> 01:13:12,360
Speaker 1: It's it just it's just this is why, and this

1306
01:13:12,439 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 1: is this is what I'm saying. It's just that there's

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01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: a there's an ability you have that very few people

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01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:21,679
Speaker 1: have two in the in the in the biggest of moments.

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01:13:21,720 --> 01:13:26,240
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound over the top cheesy energy, but it

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01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: doesn't lack and some people just they've done it too

1311
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,639
Speaker 1: long and they lack the energy and you can tell

1312
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,479
Speaker 1: they're kind of done doing it. It's it's right in

1313
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:36,559
Speaker 1: the middle, and then you see things that other people

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01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:39,040
Speaker 1: don't and you're willing to say it, but you also

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01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:41,959
Speaker 1: say it in a way which it's much more palatable.

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01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,240
Speaker 1: I can come across, especially early when I did it

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01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: a little bit too harsh because it's like because like

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01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:49,360
Speaker 1: watching I always feel like it's like watching film with

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01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: your dad with a coach where they're pointing things out,

1320
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:54,920
Speaker 1: which everybody in basketball knows the way which you you

1321
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 1: gotta be, so you're like an artist with how you

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01:13:57,520 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 1: do it. It's really really impressive. I appreciate the kind words.

1323
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: I know this as some people like what you do

1324
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,719
Speaker 1: and some don't like what you do. That's the reality

1325
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:09,840
Speaker 1: of it, right, So what you said is it makes

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01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 1: me feel good because I also know there's some others

1327
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,200
Speaker 1: going he's got a bad voice, he doesn't get excited yeah,

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01:14:15,240 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: I understand both sides of him, but you know, we

1329
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:20,719
Speaker 1: are who we are individually. And Joe Buck here, here's

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01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: I'll leave it with this. Joe Buck. And he's twenty

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: five years old. We're sitting we're gonna do Missouri game.

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01:14:26,439 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: They're out in Hilo, Hawaii the game before that. We're

1333
01:14:30,200 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: just watching. We're not just not We're just gonna do

1334
01:14:32,800 --> 01:14:35,519
Speaker 1: Missouri game. And we're talking and he says, hey, what

1335
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: do you And I'm telling him, hey, look at the

1336
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:40,559
Speaker 1: little lefty over there right and watch what he doesn't

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01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 1: And Joe says to me, says, just do that. I

1338
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,760
Speaker 1: said what he goes, Just do that because I was

1339
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:49,639
Speaker 1: just learning TV goes. Just do what you just told me.

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01:14:50,280 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: Just just do what you told me about the last

1341
01:14:53,080 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: five minutes. And that should be how you do your games.

1342
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:58,559
Speaker 1: You don't have to be screaming, you don't have to

1343
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:03,200
Speaker 1: be this. So you know, again, I appreciate your kind

1344
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 1: words because you know, we do what we do. And

1345
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 1: and if the and you know this too, if the

1346
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 1: game is good, it's really easy. Right. If it's a

1347
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: bad game, we're we're searching for something, something to something

1348
01:15:18,200 --> 01:15:20,040
Speaker 1: to get to. That's that's what that's what what that's

1349
01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: when the sports radio background kicks in. That's when you

1350
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,160
Speaker 1: can be entertaining and you know, you don't want to

1351
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 1: get yourself fired, but you have a little have a

1352
01:15:25,800 --> 01:15:27,719
Speaker 1: little bit fun. But yes, when the game is easy,

1353
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:30,800
Speaker 1: but also when the game is easy, that's when you

1354
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:33,960
Speaker 1: have you you understand your egos in check at least

1355
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:37,400
Speaker 1: enough as a broadcaster that you don't you don't choke it, right,

1356
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 1: You let it breathe, and you let let the play

1357
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,519
Speaker 1: I play guy do his job. You let the gnats

1358
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 1: sound do its job, and you're just there again. Like

1359
01:15:45,080 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: these are all things that if you've done it and

1360
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 1: you get it, you I watch it and I appreciate it,

1361
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:52,840
Speaker 1: and you still you had it a long time ago,

1362
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:55,360
Speaker 1: you have it to this day. And I don't think

1363
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,920
Speaker 1: everybody has that. And a part of it is most

1364
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 1: of us there's no training, right, correct, player, you're coach,

1365
01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,880
Speaker 1: try it, Oh, you're pretty good, and then everybody tells

1366
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:07,720
Speaker 1: you after the game that you are great. No one

1367
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: ever gives you legit, honest, credible feedback. Correct, They don't

1368
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,559
Speaker 1: help you at all, Like nobody helps you. Well, Hey,

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01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,120
Speaker 1: I appreciate I appreciate your time. I do appreciate. No,

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01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:21,679
Speaker 1: actually that's me to say to you, so thanks. Hopefully

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01:16:21,680 --> 01:16:23,599
Speaker 1: we'll can. I love to again as we get close

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01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 1: to the tournament talk a little bit more ball and

1373
01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:28,599
Speaker 1: tell some more stories. But thank you again, perfect, Thanks Doug.

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01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:37,120
Speaker 1: I'll be enjoyed that. That was incredibly fun to reminisce

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01:16:37,160 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 1: and tell some stories. And you know, I do think

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01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: that as we get closer and closer to the n

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01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: c A tournament, it's important to to tell the stories

1378
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 1: of what it's really like to cover somebody these incredible moments.

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01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,639
Speaker 1: I do think that one of the things I've always

1380
01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:53,559
Speaker 1: admired about John and most people in our profession is

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01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:56,759
Speaker 1: that we cover the moments, we're not part of the moments.

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01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: I think it's it's a very interesting thing that there

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01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: are some people who cover the moments that think they're

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01:17:01,120 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: very much a part of the moment. I do not.

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01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:06,719
Speaker 1: I just enjoy watching it and relating to people why

1386
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:08,920
Speaker 1: and what really happened. A remind of The Doug Gotlip

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01:17:08,960 --> 01:17:11,960
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