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Speaker 1: Celeb. So, Phil, you're a girlfriend put out an article

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Speaker 1: Invanity Fair.

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Speaker 2: Which one?

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Speaker 1: It's too bad you're vegan. Now you're gonna live forever.

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Speaker 2: Oh, don't you know it? Oh, you're talking about Paula Jones.

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Speaker 2: Hillary know, I'm sorry about that. I don't even like her.

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Speaker 2: She's real bony.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the big.

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Speaker 2: Big am Marylyn. Oh no, no, that was my predecessor.

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Speaker 2: Fortunately I never got to touch the scan.

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Speaker 1: Don't make let me say it, Phil, Are you kidding?

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk out right now. The only thing keeping

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Speaker 1: me here is my leechy Martini rocks. They know how

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Speaker 2: Now. I know you're talking about Mono Costa. I know

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Speaker 2: it's being a little bit silly before I know, but

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Speaker 2: I haven't read her article.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Fanny Fair, you know what I mean. That's

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Speaker 1: basically a tabloid. I mean, good for her since that

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Speaker 1: horrible bagline. I'm sorry, it's so hippie. You think being

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Speaker 1: from Beverly Hill, she'd have better taste something like Saint John's.

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Speaker 2: Well, I think she's actually from the Bay Area, not

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Speaker 2: that I remember.

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Speaker 1: You're digging yourself a big hole here, Bill.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, Hill, Sorry, Hill.

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Speaker 1: She's going on about feminists. Please, I was with Glorious

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Speaker 2: Help listen. You know, Mona Cushing may not have the brains,

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Speaker 2: but she's got a dream, and let's just let her

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Speaker 2: be her, you know what I mean. We don't need

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Speaker 2: to call the hounds on her. No whatever.

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Speaker 1: I literally don't even care. I don't even care.

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Speaker 2: I know you don't care, because we got each other,

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Speaker 2: and we got our books, and we've got our careers

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Speaker 2: and our initiatives.

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Speaker 1: How is your draft with James Patterson going?

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Speaker 2: James sent in the last I have to I haven't

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Speaker 2: gotten a run to reading it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping, Oh you're busy reading Monica's article. Let

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Speaker 2: No, I wasn't check my ip head. There's nothing on

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Speaker 1: So I found your log in your online log into

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Speaker 1: vindypear dot com.

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Speaker 2: Pale. We don't need to call our friend and have

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Speaker 2: him deal with Monica, Okay, we we could.

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Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean I think we could just scare her

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Speaker 2: No, she's scared right, Pale, Pale, just.

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Speaker 1: A little bit of a cyber attack, a little anthrap.

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Speaker 1: Let's in her apartment. It would be easy. You know what,

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Speaker 1: where's my BlackBerry Pale? I'm doing it, Bill, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: it pal, Bill, can we get this to go?

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Speaker 2: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.

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Speaker 2: You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books

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Speaker 2: and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,

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Speaker 2: it's gossip. I'm sure it's Martini.

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Speaker 1: Get Celebrity puff Club. Co reat it while it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity Puff Club, tell your secrets. We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 2: No boys are a loud celeto say it loud and pounds.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity Pook Club buzzed me in.

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Speaker 1: I brought the queer feel, Hi Bell, Now you doing

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Speaker 1: how well?

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Speaker 2: A long way from Marcans.

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Speaker 1: But as hot as a mother outside right now. It

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Speaker 1: reminds me of those little rock summers when I used

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Speaker 2: I remember saying, all floating in the flopping river.

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Speaker 1: And I said, I gotta say this country, keep it pure.

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Speaker 2: One nice and under titties. Just doing a little Bill

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Speaker 1: Just a little It never gets old.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean, what a dog?

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Speaker 1: What an iticnic dog, one of the sexiest.

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Speaker 2: Well women you know to this day, women of a

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Speaker 1: And he put a hand on the lower back.

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Speaker 2: Multi generational, multi generational small of the bag.

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Speaker 1: And my sister's friend once was walking and she felt

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Speaker 2: I mean some people have it with the capital I.

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Speaker 1: So you probably think we're about to do this six

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Speaker 1: hundred page book Life or Hillary Clinton's book.

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Speaker 2: Hard Choices, or her other wait, what if, what happened?

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Speaker 1: And then I was staring my girlfriend's parents vacation home

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, we did not decide to Rea.

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Speaker 1: We're doing the original third wave feminist. Yes, the starter

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Speaker 1: Anti bullying activist Beret A Fishonauto hold her of a

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Speaker 2: None other than Monica Luyski and her article for Vanity

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Speaker 2: Fair from twenty fourteen, Shame and Survival by Monica Lewinsky.

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Speaker 1: With support from some of her other articles that she

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Speaker 1: And I have that at my house, and you know,

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Speaker 2: If you don't know who Monica Lewinsky is, honey, I

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Speaker 1: No, everyone probably listenings podcast knows Monica.

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Speaker 2: Via my your famous web series.

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Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen web series Monica, the miniseries.

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Speaker 2: Where you playing Monica Lewinsky who moved to moving to

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Speaker 1: How did we treat women, How did we treat women

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Speaker 1: It was much for eyes wide show like long news.

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Speaker 2: No, I feel like it is. It's like she's the

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Speaker 2: It's so not like oops, none of that.

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Speaker 2: The bags are so now, they're so coastal Grandma.

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Speaker 1: Like literally cows, Mike, are you hearing me?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like sack tody And we had one for

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Speaker 2: ironic way, it's almost part of because of like feminist

441
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 2: backlash and the resurgence of like the trad movement, that

442
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: like Monica would have more of a career today because

443
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,800
Speaker 2: you can just be like an influencer Chica. Yeah, whereas

444
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 2: like in the late nineties, like you would have had

445
00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 2: to be more of like a ball busting, like power lawyer.

446
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's still like stiletto. I'm gonna walk all over you. Yeah,

447
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,920
Speaker 1: because the nineties was a woman smoking a cigar, Yeah,

448
00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 1: midtown boardroom, Somemantha Jones.

449
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like that was never gonna be her, which

450
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: is why it's insane. Wait wait, I just read the

451
00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:39,679
Speaker 2: part where she talks about trying to go to advertising

452
00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: agencies please and one promising job interview that took place

453
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: during the eventive to the two thousand and eight primary season.

454
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,160
Speaker 2: The conversation took an introessing turn. So here's the thing, Monica,

455
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,480
Speaker 2: the interviewer said, you're clearly a bright young woman and affable.

456
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Speaker 2: But for us, and probably any other organization that relies

457
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: on grants and government funding, it's risky. We need a

458
00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 2: letter indemnification from the Clintons. After all, there's a twenty

459
00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: five percent chance that missus Clinton will be the next president.

460
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 2: I gave a fake smile and said, I understand. Okay,

461
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,840
Speaker 2: So that is just like people being afraid of Hillary,

462
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,520
Speaker 2: which honestly like they should be.

463
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 1: They should be.

464
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 2: And one of the things that we liter Tona called open,

465
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: which I do think is impressive, is the fact that

466
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: she has not been mysteriously mur no, I'm yeah, we're

467
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,639
Speaker 2: you're kind of like it's like Jeff Epstein couldn't hack it,

468
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,199
Speaker 2: but Monica.

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00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: Monica, Like what is is Hillary afraid of allan coming? No?

470
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Speaker 2: Her superpower is literally staying alive. She's iconic, Like, teach

471
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 2: me the secrets. Okay. Another job interviewed. This one typical

472
00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: walked into the stark, terminally cool reception area of a

473
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Speaker 2: hip yet prestigious advertising agency in Los Angeles. I mean

474
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: this hip yet prestigious.

475
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,680
Speaker 1: And it's so early two thousands that if you're saying

476
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Speaker 1: the way she describes, people are dressed the gingham with jeans.

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Speaker 2: As always, I put in my best I'm friendly, not

478
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Speaker 2: a diva. Smile. Hi, I'm Monica Ski here to see

479
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 2: So and so, the twenty something receptionist pushed her black

480
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: rimmed hipster frames up her nose. Hipster frame is also stove.

481
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: He's a hipster. Yeah.

482
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Speaker 1: She puts on the a sweater and just like, do

483
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Speaker 1: I look like a hipster?

484
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 2: How many times a month is she on Alan Coming's

485
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 2: couch and he's scrolling through hinge and she's just going, please, no.

486
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Speaker 1: Hipsters and he's like, I loa, just try it.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Before I could answer, another twenty something in skinny jeans,

488
00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 2: plaid shirt and boat tie rushed over and interrupted Miss

489
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Speaker 2: Lewinsky like a mader D, he continued, this is also

490
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Speaker 2: so her writing just being like.

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Speaker 1: No, like a mader D at a hip restaurant and

492
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Speaker 1: down how Los.

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Speaker 2: Angeles pleasure to have you here? I'll let so and so. No,

494
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 2: you're soy latte green tea filtered water. So then, like

495
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,919
Speaker 2: the agency's head of strategy and planning, they're talking. She

496
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 2: kept wincying this was not going well. I tried to

497
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,880
Speaker 2: keep myself from getting flustered. Now she was not only

498
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: wincy but also clearing her throat. Was that perspiration on

499
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,239
Speaker 2: her brow? It hitting she was nervous. I got it.

500
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 2: It must be disconcerning to sit across from quote that

501
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: woman needs to say. I didn't get the position. But

502
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: it's just like, yeah, Monica, you're interviewing to be like

503
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Speaker 2: what like a junior copywriter at an ad agency.

504
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 1: At a hip ad agency in Los Angeles, California.

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00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean, that's truly the most random thing. Monica walks

506
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 2: into your podcasting agency and she's just like yeah, I'm

507
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 2: I'm pretty good at Avid Avid Illustrator.

508
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,360
Speaker 1: You're just like on an email and it's just like

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Speaker 1: m Lewinsky at like ldcreative dot Com.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wait, Monica, you're listening like I'd love for you

511
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Speaker 2: to maybe help us out with social Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No, I'm at a video social assets video that's a Kusha.

513
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, because she got her master's in social psychology.

514
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 1: I guess if I was Monica, I maybe would have

515
00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 1: opened who knows what I've opened, Like, I guess this

516
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 1: is what she's doing now, just like a community space

517
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: where just like they do give blazers to women, you

518
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: know what I mean.

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00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: I mean she basically is doing that. I mean like

520
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: the penter was just like a churnity. No, I mean yeah,

521
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: she would be so dressed for success.

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00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, just like Operation Backpack.

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00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I might help women get backpacks because I just

524
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: feel like if I were Monica would have been selling Like, okay,

525
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: I'm opening up a restaurant.

526
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Speaker 1: Like, well, I guess that was her bag era, It's

527
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: like it was bag, it was mister personality.

528
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 2: She was also just like made twenty bags and that

529
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 2: was kind of because she.

530
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: Had made fun of for the bag so much. It

531
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: was just like it only pushed her down more.

532
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's just like, you know, it was a.

533
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: Chelsea handler being like, so Monica is making bags, let

534
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Speaker 1: me guess they're full of come.

535
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: What's next? Right? And this was a different era. Okay,

536
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 2: could I beat Tina Fay quote? Yeah, but this is

537
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: just like a little bit like a window into her personality.

538
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 2: In the spring of nineteen ninety nine, I participated in

539
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Speaker 2: a secret meeting with Monica Lewinsky, SNU producer Marcy Klein

540
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 2: and fellows SNL writer Paula Pelle. Oh, Paula Pelle Wine Country.

541
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 2: Marci called and asked Holy Paul and I coul get

542
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: her down to her Tourbecco apartment. Monica Lewinsky was coming

543
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 2: over and we three were going to convince her to

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Speaker 2: appear on SNL. Okay, so this is they're trying to

545
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 2: get the gat. This was before Miss Lewinski's infamous Barbara

546
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Speaker 2: Walters interview air. None of us had ever heard her

547
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: speak before. She was still an enigmatic girl in the

548
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: beret who didn't get to the dray clon. It was

549
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: very often we spent the afternoon drinking wine and eating

550
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: with sabby peas. We didn't even buy the girl lunch.

551
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 2: Who do we think we were? Presidents? Monica was bright

552
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 2: and personable and very open with us. Maybe too open

553
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: for a person in her situation. I'm just saying Linda

554
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Speaker 2: Trip might not have been the intelligence gathering mastermind you

555
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: thought she was. I'm obsess and then she goes. We

556
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: talked about thongs, weight watchers, and Brazilian bikini waxes. When

557
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 2: the topic turned to I Cream, I wanted to talk,

558
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: so I shared the one piece of information and retained

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Speaker 2: from the mean woman at the Lamare counter. And see,

560
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 2: you're supposed to gently pat it on with your ring finger,

561
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: I demonstrated. Oh really, Monica asked, with the level of

562
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,959
Speaker 2: interest and gullibility. That explained a lot. Yeah, that's all

563
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 2: she needs to say. It's just her being like, oh

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00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: really with Tina Faytilon rep and I Cream was kind

565
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: of just sums it up right there, and it's like

566
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Speaker 2: she is sweet and again she's in a babysitter and

567
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: Linda Tripp is just being this absolute like so yes,

568
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 2: maniacal eviled up.

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Speaker 1: Also, Okay, the most evil person in this is Linda Trip,

570
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: who Rip died two years ago, and Linda Trup was

571
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: obsessed with Bush basically and was like trying to keep

572
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: herself in the White House, and she was trying to

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Speaker 1: play it off as like her like being true to America,

574
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: but clearly it was just like her being a mean girl.

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00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 2: Well, and also Linda Tripp already knew Monica was having

576
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Speaker 2: an affair and she just basically tried to get it

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Speaker 2: out of her when they were always hanging out the

578
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 2: Pentagon Cafeteria because like everyone knew and they g Lindna

579
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Speaker 2: would be like, so, like, have you seen the President lately?

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00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: And then Moga literally would just be like, oh, he

581
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Speaker 1: hasn't called Linda. I'm freaking out.

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00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: And then she just like turned on her talk boy

583
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: and recording the whole thing. And it's just like I

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00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: watched The Eater Linda though, where it was like her

585
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 2: and someone and she was just like, oh, Linda, like

586
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 2: if the same thing happened to you, like would you

587
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: be happy? And she was like, I'd be grateful, like

588
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 2: because it would teach me a lesson. It's like yours.

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00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: She's sick, and you know it's even in the head.

590
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: This is what she did after the scandal. She remarried

591
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: and opened up a year round Christmas store in Virginia.

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00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: That is so Karen Penn's like, that's so yeah.

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00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: It's sos like just year round Christmas stuff. You can

594
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 1: go visit it. It's still open. I think her kids

595
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Speaker 1: run it.

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00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: Wait, not the trip kids run, the true kids are

597
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: running the Christmas store.

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Speaker 1: If I may, also, this is the article that like

599
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: inspired the web series and this is just so iconic,

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Speaker 1: if I.

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Speaker 2: May, Oh, this is the cut article about her moving

602
00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,920
Speaker 2: back to New York. Yeaeah.

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00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: This is the third month of the second year that

604
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: Monica has lived in Manhattan, and she likes it very much,

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00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: thank you. So this is when she's trying to be

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00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: by the way Bag show. She enjoys yoga, shopping and soho,

607
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: spending afternoons on Museum Mile, nosing around the twenty sixth

608
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: Street flea market, and CosIng out with sex and the city.

609
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: Though she doesn't much care for TV. Parentzi's considering and anyway,

610
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 1: her cable service was really shut off because she forgot

611
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: to pay the bill. Oops, she titters. Also, she likes

612
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: musicals such as Susical and Rent and Les Miss Bingo

613
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: nights at Downtown tex mex Bar, Tortilla Flats, taking subways

614
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: all by herself, hanging out with her mom and step

615
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: daut of their penthouse on Fifth Avenue, and supping at

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Speaker 1: Allison on Dominic when she has a boyfriend, which she

617
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 1: does not right now. So back to our article one,

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Speaker 1: that's like, that's why I want to spend every day

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Speaker 1: Tortilla Flats, Bingo, penthouse, sex city is. She mentions in

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Speaker 1: this article how she was like on a date and

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Speaker 1: a Yankees game, And this just goes back to the

622
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: naive thing where you're like, what she was? She's onody

623
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Speaker 1: with the guy a Yankees game, and then he reveals

624
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: that he's actually married. Oh yeah, and so then she

625
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: leaves and then she priends to kind of like defend herself.

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00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: It was only a marriage for a green card.

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00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, she goes. In the early years post impeachment, I

628
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: once left a front row seat along a third baseline

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Speaker 2: a Yankees game when I learned that my date, a

630
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: guy whose company I thoroughly enjoyed, was actually another relationship.

631
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 2: It was only a green card marriage, but I freaked

632
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: out that we could be photographed together and someone might

633
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: call the gossip rag. So just like and you're just like,

634
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: what what Monica sounds like she's getting so ninety fiance

635
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: the other way or whatever.

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00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: That is kind of what I actually fear about her dating.

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00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Who knows. Maybe I heard she was like dating a

638
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: finance guyard for her. Yeah, and I hope that is

639
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: still happening. And obviously being single is amazing.

640
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 2: I kind of think she needs to date more of

641
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: like a Dungeons and Dragons, like.

642
00:31:54,640 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed, she likes power. She's the date his boyfriend.

643
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 2: Because she dated also like her like music teacher. Oh yeah,

644
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 2: who was like forty when she was eighteen or something.

645
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 2: He was married.

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00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she drama teacher. He was like so gross, like

647
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: Polly Portland ponytail. And then he went on TV. This

648
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: is so rude and disgusting of him, obviously to cover

649
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: his ass, and he was like, Monica stalked me.

650
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, his wife. That was helpful for his reputation because

651
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 2: at the time, all the information was coming out about

652
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: Monica being so obsessed with the president and buying him

653
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 2: so many gifts, and when she took out that ad

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Speaker 2: in the newspaper, which was completely insane of her, but

655
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Speaker 2: also like go off, like that's so romantic well.

656
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Speaker 1: You know, because her mom is in pr on and off. Yeah,

657
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: her mom also wrote a book which doesn't really count

658
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: as a memoir, but I've always wanted us to do

659
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,719
Speaker 1: and weigh in if we should do it, called The

660
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: Private Lives of the It's literally about Paveratti Dominique. Who

661
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Speaker 1: are the others?

662
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 2: You're the Italian Santiago, I don't know, but Shelly, but

663
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 2: Shelly whatever.

664
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Speaker 1: But basically, her mom supposedly had an affair with one

665
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Speaker 1: of the three tenors, not pop Rotti, but one of

666
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 1: the others. She comes kind of from a long line of.

667
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 2: A long line of like communications majors.

668
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: Who have affairs with like random men.

669
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Speaker 2: Okay. Also she talks about and this kind of gets

670
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Speaker 2: back to her versus the sort of intellectual catty girls

671
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 2: and how I think she was never totally able to

672
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: like a understand why she was the source of their ire,

673
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: and I think maybe she still doesn't understand that today,

674
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: but like b why she would also like never be

675
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: a part of that world. So she's talking about a

676
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 2: bunch of these like bitchy writers of the day get

677
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: together at Laburn and Dan for cocktails, which is insane,

678
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: and I'm desperate that I wasn't there. I know in

679
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: attendance writers Erica John Nancy Friday, Katie Royf who did

680
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: like writer late for Slate, Elizabeth Benedict's SNL writer Patricia Marx,

681
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Speaker 2: Marissa bo the editor of Word and Online Matter.

682
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Speaker 1: I know that also is so like meet the high

683
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: powered women of today, the editor of Word online magazine.

684
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 2: Fashion designer Cole Miller, former dominatrix Susan Shellogg, who and

685
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 2: their host Le Brendon and cohen aor Maguie Lucoz. Sadly,

686
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: the gal who would really make this coven complete is

687
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: missing Mooring Dowd or more mean dowdy as I used

688
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 2: to refer to her, and then she goes today, I'd

689
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: meet her for a drink, more mean, more mean dowdy,

690
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: beast of all, like, let's get Trump to help you

691
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 2: with the nicknames.

692
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: No, I know, I know, I kind of a wish

693
00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: for her. This is just far up where we do

694
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: the play. Like if she just like had like actually

695
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: gone so rogue and Trump would have been like kind

696
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: of funny.

697
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, she became like such a CONSERVATORI yeah, yeah, I

698
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 2: don't think that she has like such a.

699
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: She's a huge brumber to the LGBTQ plus. Yeah, no,

700
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: it's not like she's there with the puns at the ready. No,

701
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: I have Ellen Comming help you with that. Yeah, okay.

702
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: This Nicole Miller, by the way, just that designer.

703
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: Who doesn't really speak in this transcript.

704
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Speaker 1: Going back, and I was like, where the Nicole Miller quotes?

705
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: Actually think Nicole Miller was just kind of like drinking.

706
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is from a longer transcript. She

707
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 2: just reprinted part of this in her article.

708
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: So then in this as we read this, Monica does

709
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: talkbacks as if she were there. So do you want

710
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: to play?

711
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 2: Maybe I'll play the women and you do the talkbacks. Yeah, okay.

712
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 2: His whole life is about having to be in control

713
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 2: and really intelligent all the time, and his wife is

714
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 2: really intelligent, in control all the time. And the idea

715
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 2: of just having stupid sex with some not brilliant woman

716
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: in the Oval office, I can see the appeal in that.

717
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm brilliant, but how do you know

718
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: I'm not. My first job out of college was that

719
00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: the White House, Like.

720
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: I know, it's like her parents got her that internship,

721
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 2: and do you think it's tremendously selfish, selfish and demanding

722
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 2: having oral sex and not reciprocating. I mean, she didn't say, well,

723
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: you know, he satisfied me.

724
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 1: And where exactly didn't I say this in which public

725
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: statement that I didn't make, in which testimony that's not

726
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: been released.

727
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 2: I mean, this is an interesting theory because I also

728
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: do think again, in modern times, it would be so

729
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 2: like like if Ice Spice for having an affair with

730
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: the president, she would be so like, yes, like he

731
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: is munching on.

732
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: Me, and it's just like and Jill would have to

733
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I love Ice Spices.

734
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: Versus I mean, he definitely never went down on her

735
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:36,760
Speaker 2: because like men not go on to women in the nineties.

736
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: They literally didn't out if they did. Carrie, I feel

737
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: like was still just being like going down on me.

738
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 1: But what I'd rather a dinner at butter.

739
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 2: But what I think was so like proto sex positive

740
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: about what she's even saying here is that it's just

741
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: like women do get pleasure out of being submissive, and

742
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 2: like that is hot to give a blowjob, especially to

743
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: the president. It's like it was fun and hot for her.

744
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 2: They didn't have pen so yes, they never had pen

745
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: which is famously why he said that he never had.

746
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: Such if you guys remember they were there, only I

747
00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: did not have sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky.

748
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So then Katie Rife goes. I think what

749
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: people are outraged about is the way that Monica looks,

750
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,920
Speaker 2: which is interesting because we like to think of our

751
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: presidents as sort of godlike, and so if JFK is

752
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 2: and afair with Marilyn Monroe and it's all in the

753
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: realm of demigods. I mean, the thing I kept hearing

754
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: over and over again was Monica Lewinsky is not that pretty.

755
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: So this is the ultimately, I think cruxy what we

756
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: were talking about. Everyone's like, oh, of course JFK is

757
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:36,240
Speaker 1: a god. And also every single person in New England

758
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: still is just like JFK, JFK, JFK.

759
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: Right, because it doesn't make him seem like a weak

760
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: man to go for Marilyn Monroe because she's not a

761
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:49,320
Speaker 2: hanging fruit. But it makes Bill Clinton seem weak.

762
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: And again it's the coastally thing. So it's just like

763
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:57,280
Speaker 1: Bill was already being like roasted for like being southern

764
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: and loving hamburgers and going to McDonald's right, and then

765
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: he gets with the intern and it's this whole nineties

766
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: American in a suit.

767
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton was already on thin ice, but the coastal

768
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: elite for being such a like Southern fried like Hoaxter.

769
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: But then they're just like, well, we love that he

770
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: can connect with the common man, but that like he

771
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 2: is so Harvard la Ario or he went to y'all,

772
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 2: and so it's like this like pushes him back into

773
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,600
Speaker 2: the realm of trash.

774
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 1: And they're just like, oh, of course JFK, Like we

775
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: love old movies, Okay, even though obviously like JFK was

776
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: worse than probably like giving like Maryland just like sseudophylls

777
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: or whatever, like weird drugs they're putting in. They were

778
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,720
Speaker 1: all like drugging and gang being her. But they're still

779
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 1: just like, no, JFK is actually the classian hunt. Well. Thanks.

780
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Speaker 1: The first picture that surface was a passport photo. Would

781
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: you like to have a passport photo splattered across publications

782
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: around the world is the picture that defines you. What

783
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: you are also saying here is that the primary quality

784
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: that would qualify a woman to have an intimate relationship

785
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: with a powerful man's physical attractiveness. That's not setting the

786
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: movement back. I don't know what it is, yes.

787
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 2: Mama, Okay.

788
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: It is also insane, like kind of to look back

789
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 1: and people were like Monica was obese, and you look back,

790
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, well I'm fatter than Monica.

791
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: Then, well, you know, the average weight has balloon since

792
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: the late nineties.

793
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: I'm just saying the way it was spoken about.

794
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: Yes, well, I mean she really was not that big. No,

795
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: she's like the size of the average American woman. I

796
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: mean she's probably the same size as Hillary. Yeah, so

797
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 2: it's like, although maybe she's.

798
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: Taller, I think.

799
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Speaker 2: But this comes back to the idea though, of the

800
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: intern You think of interns as small.

801
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Right, and sometimes interns have ds. Yeah, saying she has

802
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: d's and they're like.

803
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: You're saying she is proportional.

804
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:54,760
Speaker 1: Yeah that's what I'm saying.

805
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, we get it. You've noticed her d's. Okay, wait,

806
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 2: back to the endless drinks at Liburnadin, my donald had

807
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 2: Jennis pointed out that she had third stage gum disease.

808
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 2: What do you think will happened to her? I mean,

809
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 2: she'll just fade out quietly or write a book or

810
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 2: people forget about her six fronts from now and then

811
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 2: Nancy Friday goes she can rent out her mouth me speechless.

812
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: But you know, men do like to get close to

813
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: the mouth that's been close to power. Think of the

814
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: fantasy in the man's mind as she's going down on

815
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 2: him and he's thinking, oh my god, do for me?

816
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: We eat it to the president?

817
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: Do that me speechless?

818
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,879
Speaker 2: That is an issue point. The idea of like her

819
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: proximity to power. I think like it is interesting probably

820
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 2: to potential sexual suitors for her these days, in like

821
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: a meme way, you know what I mean, where you're

822
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 2: just like, oh, like, she's famous. But I feel like

823
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 2: you don't necessarily get proximity to power via association. What

824
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 2: do you depends like if you slept with someone who

825
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 2: had slept with someone who was powerful, would you feel

826
00:40:58,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: that you sort of afterglow?

827
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: Basically, would you feel milk Brothers With Clinton? I think

828
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: you'd feel something I don't know, but you wouldn't feel

829
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,919
Speaker 1: the other person. You would feel what like a little

830
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: bit like I just had sex with Monica Lewinsky. I'm

831
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,720
Speaker 1: if you were getting a blow job from Monica Lewinsky

832
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: the first time not to be cross right, there's no

833
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: way your mind wouldn't.

834
00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 2: Go there for a Yeah, you're like, my dick is

835
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: in this mouth that's had the mouth of power.

836
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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say power, but it would just be like

837
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 1: this is the famous.

838
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 2: But then because that's just like fame, you know what

839
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 2: I mean, It's like the same reason why you would

840
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,480
Speaker 2: want to fuck. I don't know Andy Dick even though.

841
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: But I'm doing about the certain act of the blowjob.

842
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I see that. It's the act, the.

843
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,839
Speaker 1: Blow the act. Yeah, I think actually sex and monical

844
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: because the.

845
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:50,399
Speaker 2: Blowout for Monica Lewinsky, it's like you're getting the blow

846
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,760
Speaker 2: off special.

847
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like classic heterosexual penetrative sex. You could like

848
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: actually be like I went on a day with this

849
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: one in her name is okay?

850
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: Now this is so when you go to the restaurant

851
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: that James Candelfeini died at, you're like, I want the

852
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: heart attack, I want I want the extra trip, you

853
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 2: want to get the order.

854
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,399
Speaker 1: I remember when I sat down at Paisano's Deep Dish

855
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,719
Speaker 1: pizza place in downtown Chicago, waitress came up to me

856
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 1: and said he'th let hers out at the stable two

857
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:27,359
Speaker 1: days ago.

858
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: Stop.

859
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's feeling Batman. Wow, so I felt something. It's

860
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: not a bull drop for Monica. But okay, well we'll

861
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: just what's crazy is the last line Erica Jong says

862
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,279
Speaker 1: you should read.

863
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 2: She goes, I think it's a tribute to how far

864
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 2: we've come that we're not trashy monicolas.

865
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Speaker 1: Because that's what they don't think they're trashing.

866
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: They don't think they're trashing. They're not necessarily, you know,

867
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: as we are like trashy. Monica Lewinsky would be saying,

868
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 2: like she is what Hillary said, which I also don't

869
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 2: think is true.

870
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: No, that part is so weird of Hillary.

871
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: I think that's her really trying to like pretend that

872
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 2: Bill wasn't into it.

873
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 1: She's doing the oh, well this bitch was crazy.

874
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, my husband's slept with her once.

875
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 1: She's obsessed, but also then she'd be obsessed with herself.

876
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: It makes no sense.

877
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: Her argument would be that I've gotten a lot more

878
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 2: reciprocation from Bill over the years, whereas like Bail finely

879
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: got head from her a couple of times, but she's

880
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: in love with him and it's kind of like, well,

881
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:35,400
Speaker 2: he did get her the sweatshirt got.

882
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,839
Speaker 1: Her the sweatshirt and like other charms.

883
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 2: And again it's like that comes back to the you

884
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 2: know what all of my boomer friends have experienced meeting.

885
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: Bill, they're still horny for her.

886
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 2: It's the eye contact. He does make you feel like

887
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: you're the only person in the room, and he knows

888
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: what he's doing.

889
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: And that's why he was elected. That's why I still

890
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: have a doll of him playing saxophone exactly that sways

891
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: from side to side.

892
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 2: So anyway, so at the end of this article, she

893
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 2: launches her like Ted Talk by Center revolution. She's against

894
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: bullying and her career is kind of random, and she's

895
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: still just so like retweeting like the DNC and just

896
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 2: being like, uh, Trump not today.

897
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, this article was a revolution though when it did

898
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: come out, I'll say, and the last line is I

899
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: remained stuck for far too many years. No longer. It's

900
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 1: time to burn the beret and bury the blue dress

901
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,879
Speaker 1: and move forward. So I'm just saying now every day

902
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: is a new Brittany documentary about how we wronged her

903
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: or how David Letterman was sexist to Lindsay Lohan.

904
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: Hight right right, No, And it's like it was just

905
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: not her time.

906
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: A reflection on tabloid speak. Yeah, and a lot of

907
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,320
Speaker 1: those some of those boomer moms backtracked.

908
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 2: You know what apologize is so the photo shoot for

909
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: this article, she's wearing kind of what looks like a

910
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 2: veau wang wedding dress. It's like this white yes, like

911
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 2: embroidered form.

912
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: The descoltage on a couch.

913
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: It is a little bit like marry me.

914
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: Now, you do think she is a nursss marry me

915
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: Mary Mary.

916
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 2: She's also okay, there's a quarter here where she goes.

917
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:14,960
Speaker 2: Paul Rud looks the same. How is that possible?

918
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 1: I mean she's so yeah, and that's why we love

919
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: her again. She's drag bingo, fag cag tortilla, flat sex

920
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: and the city. What does she eat?

921
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 2: What does she wear? How does she live?

922
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: What does she eat? I mean, she's a fucking Chico.

923
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: She loves like upscale Italian. She's going to like Lascala, Sorrento.

924
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: She's sushi.

925
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 2: She's Mexican, she's tons of sushi deliveries.

926
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: She's Tai Yeah, and she's also not Roman. She's making

927
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: them Melissa Clark and my tea recipe.

928
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:04,760
Speaker 2: I made a Melissa Clark last week.

929
00:46:05,560 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: Nothing that was Melissa Clark.

930
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: It was would you romans to be honest? You know,

931
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:15,280
Speaker 2: it was snappeas and like tons of dill and torn

932
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: herbs on a bed of like Greek yogurt. Okay, lemon

933
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: and olive oil.

934
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 1: Wait, it was just snappeas torn herbs on Greek yogurt.

935
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: There was there was like one other vegetable in, there

936
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 2: was one other green. It was beautiful.

937
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: It sounds gorgeous.

938
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I have I know it sounds like it

939
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: wasn't a recipe, but it was a recipe.

940
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 1: No. Hilariously, I have a ridiculous cookbook called Fifty Shades

941
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 1: of Chicken and it's Ghosts written by Melissa Clark. Oh

942
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: and it's fifty chicken recipes and it's photos of chicken

943
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 1: and like bedsum photos.

944
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fun.

945
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: So she's fun, and we love Melissa clarkers over at

946
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: the pod but also famously not to beating my websters again,

947
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: like she's cheesecake factory, like she's La She's also that

948
00:47:08,200 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: she used to be cheesecake factory.

949
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: Now she's arowon like she's a basic girl throughout every

950
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 2: like basic goals being basic. Then she's not being basic now.

951
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: Whatever basic ghost, you were chased a.

952
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: Tractory in two thousand and one, you're arow On now.

953
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:21,800
Speaker 1: And we're going to get into my first visit to

954
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 1: Arawon in the lounge. What does she wear? She's I

955
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: mean inside the actress studio. Of course, styling this for

956
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: my websters again was amazing. But currently, I mean she's

957
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,280
Speaker 1: gown and she was just so wide leg black dress

958
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: pants for so long.

959
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think she's still like I think she's always

960
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,640
Speaker 2: going to have maybe subconscious but like a little bit

961
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 2: of the like I'm going to court apology outfit, which

962
00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 2: is like the cardigan over dress with like a simple

963
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 2: lot and like a simple belt. Like there's always it's

964
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: gonna be a little bit of this, like I have

965
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 2: to seem demure because I'm the nation slut and so

966
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 2: I have to like cover.

967
00:48:08,280 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, if you watch on the HBO, you know

968
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:14,760
Speaker 1: it's this kind of like big blazer. Yeah, and now

969
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 1: she is more like I'm wearing a gown that's form

970
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: fitting but high neck at a God's Love, we deliver gala. Yeah,

971
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: that's like a designer that is.

972
00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 2: Expensive absolutely is wearing like the most heathered. Kamala. I'm

973
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:32,920
Speaker 2: speaking tea like at home.

974
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:37,480
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, at home it's Kamala. Ours low top

975
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 1: converse that are like baby blue.

976
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: Okay, that's too far. They're black, but okay.

977
00:48:45,080 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? Black converse? What does she Courtney love?

978
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 2: Black convers are like so normal based, they're.

979
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: Really not basic girls where maroon sand washed. They're all

980
00:48:58,520 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: other colors besides black.

981
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 2: And she's not hearing about sanwas. She's not gen fucking z.

982
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die on Magnolia Bakery Hill.

983
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 2: There's no black Monica. Send a photo of your chucks.

984
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: You're beat up chucks, all right?

985
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: How does she live? So?

986
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: I think she has like a freaking huge apartment in ELC.

987
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 1: She had West Village, then try backup, but now I

988
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: think it's Chelsea. I think the couch is comfortable, but

989
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: it's not.

990
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: Moved to LA.

991
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:35,720
Speaker 1: She still lives in New York for her like bullying

992
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: activism randomly unless she's by coast.

993
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: I just feel like during the pandemic she like moved

994
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 2: to LA to be closer, like to her dog or something, right.

995
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,840
Speaker 1: Because she's so close with like her mom.

996
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just feel like a I never hear about

997
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: her like going out to restaurants. Well, I know it

998
00:49:56,640 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: can be more anonymous in LA.

999
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: It's so funny because I was and say, you can

1000
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: be anonymous in New York because quin would people always

1001
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 1: say no one cares who you are here, you know,

1002
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: people say that, which is like not true.

1003
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: But she's just being so car in sunglasses, you know,

1004
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: and she's like keys again, keys sunglasses in the big

1005
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: hard sunglasses case, huge.

1006
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 1: Huge Chanel sunglass case.

1007
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 2: It's tall, and she's driving and she's iced coffee like

1008
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: I just kind of yeah, it's col brew.

1009
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 1: In the tesla. Yeah, and it's a house, and I

1010
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: guess I just I just have this feeling that she

1011
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:35,919
Speaker 1: lives in New York. But she could have gone home.

1012
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 1: It's actually not you.

1013
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: Could just argue about this hour instead of looking it up.

1014
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: They're like, please leave the studio. Anyway. Let's talk about

1015
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,960
Speaker 1: the interiors. I don't know. It's medium bed, it's a

1016
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,320
Speaker 1: medium couch. It's kind of just like medium.

1017
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 2: It's definitely not like funky. There's obviously not like so

1018
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: many oriental rugs everywhere. But I do think she's.

1019
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:59,400
Speaker 1: Buddha absolutely, And if she does live in La almost

1020
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 1: meditation room, and I think.

1021
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you ready for this. I'm more

1022
00:51:05,560 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 2: right than you are, but you're also right because said

1023
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: it was huge. Monica Lisby lives in a thirteen thousand

1024
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: square foot luxury home in Sacramento.

1025
00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: What the fuck?

1026
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: Because she's originally from the Bay Area, so this is like,

1027
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 2: I think it's about being close to your family.

1028
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:19,720
Speaker 1: But she went to Beverly Hills High.

1029
00:51:20,120 --> 00:51:22,840
Speaker 2: Okay, this is born to her Wikipedia.

1030
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: Who were you in the book?

1031
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: Who were you in the article? I mean, obviously we're

1032
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,280
Speaker 2: at the dinner, We're at the Laburna Dan dinner.

1033
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm Nancy Friday.

1034
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 2: She can rent out our mouth.

1035
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you're Erica Jong.

1036
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,480
Speaker 2: Being just like we're not even trashing her. Yeah.

1037
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: After like, because I think you're posing these questions and

1038
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: what if a woman.

1039
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: Right was to have sex and her mouth is close

1040
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: to power?

1041
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: I give this article hall. I mean again, as I said,

1042
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: it's started revolution. And oh and by the way, yes,

1043
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: Arcole came out.

1044
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: After your web series.

1045
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, one week after.

1046
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,400
Speaker 2: I remember she copied you by being famous.

1047
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: Stupid bitch. I don't know. I give it like rock

1048
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: and roll, like three point five Berets out of five

1049
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 1: for like what it didn't it started the like resurgence

1050
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: of Monica.

1051
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the resurgence included at one Ted

1052
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 2: Talk and like this one other article three years later

1053
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 2: with her twenty five random things I'm remembering on the

1054
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 2: anniversary of the Clinton scandal.

1055
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: Well now she like tweets more like kind of Amanda

1056
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: knocks down that way where like no one asked. She'll

1057
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I don't shop at the Gap anymore,

1058
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean.

1059
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 2: No, no, no, Like the end of this article, she's like,

1060
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,320
Speaker 2: and I'm burying the dress. And yet she's always tweeting,

1061
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 2: just like don't ask me to find my beret, like

1062
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 2: sharing an article about Trump or something, and you're kind

1063
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: of like, okay, you're just still making the joke.

1064
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 1: And I also like half this article is her being

1065
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 1: like me speechless at this random ass dinner, right talking

1066
00:52:58,360 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: back right to a dinner.

1067
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 2: That she wasn't at.

1068
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: Its goals.

1069
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I give this. I don't know. Two and

1070
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: a half thirteen thousand square foot homes in Zacremento out

1071
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 2: of five. Like again, I love the photo of her

1072
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: I'm now describing as a wedding dress. And I love

1073
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 2: the sort of her just reprinting this transcript of another conversation.

1074
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 2: And I do love her like print saying the web

1075
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:34,359
Speaker 2: and bullying, but it's a little disappointing. It's like, I think, with.

1076
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: Her, you want a little more, but we.

1077
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 2: Already have so much. And that's why I do love it,

1078
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 2: because then it brings up the ken Star Report, It

1079
00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: brings up Monica Black and White, which I am giving

1080
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 2: five out of five two right, you know, it brings

1081
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: up all the literature and the cultural discussion.

1082
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: Of the years, and that I want to.

1083
00:53:52,719 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 2: Reaction point I have it. It's really I think it's

1084
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 2: a doorstopper. You're gonna love it. And you know, she's

1085
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,200
Speaker 2: just such an interesting character. I think part of everything

1086
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 2: we talked about her personality is what makes her so

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Speaker 2: interesting because you're never really going to be able to

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Speaker 2: nail her down, no.

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Speaker 1: Unless you are like literally at tortilla Flats with her. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and maybe then even we're still just kind of like,

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Speaker 1: who is Monica?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Who is Monica?

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Speaker 2: Because ultimately Monica is an idea.

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Speaker 1: She like, yeah, it does she even considers herself Monica. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. It's an idea, all right, Okay, of kids,

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Speaker 1: let us know if you've ever seen her in Sacramento.

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Speaker 2: Seen her in Sacramento, done the Cigar Act? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Have I ever done the Cigar Act?

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Speaker 2: This episode was produced by White House Chief of Staff

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Speaker 2: Darby Mastress. It was executive produced by Assistant to the

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Speaker 2: President Christina Everett. It was supervisingly produced by Department of

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Speaker 2: Defense and Communications Director Abu Zafar. It was recorded at

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Speaker 2: the Pentagon Cafeteria otherwise known at CDM Studios in Midtown Manhattan.

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Speaker 2: The idea for it came from an internship that we

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Speaker 2: did at Prolog Projects, which is located in DuPont Circle.

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Speaker 2: The theme music was made by disgraced White House interned

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Speaker 2: Stephen Phillipsors. And we encourage you to go leave a

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Speaker 2: review on white House dot gov because we need those reviews, honey,

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Speaker 2: So go get that out there.