WEBVTT - Extraordinary Science of 2014

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind from how Stuff

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<v Speaker 1>Works dot com. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Julie Douglas. This

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<v Speaker 1>is part two where we're rolling through some of the

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<v Speaker 1>big science that occurred in some of the little science.

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<v Speaker 1>It's amazing that you might have missed that. In some

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<v Speaker 1>cases we initially missed. Uh. It's not an exhaustive set

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<v Speaker 1>it in gold launch it into Space list. We likely

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<v Speaker 1>missed some things that you thought were amazing, and we

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<v Speaker 1>definitely would love to hear from you about those, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>those particular topics, those particular studies. But this is what

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<v Speaker 1>was what was on our brain. Yes, the stuff that

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<v Speaker 1>we thought was pretty extraordinary and wanted to share with you. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I do want to just throw in here real quick though. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>there was some of these issues. There might be a

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<v Speaker 1>slight uh so called shrimp on a treadmill scenario that

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<v Speaker 1>can pop up if you're not familiar with that. I

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<v Speaker 1>think we've talked about in the podcast before you have

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<v Speaker 1>to study where essentially a shrimp was put on a

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<v Speaker 1>treadmill all and it became kind of the uh, this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just pointless science money on this even though

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<v Speaker 1>it was actually a very good study. Was it had

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<v Speaker 1>some importance to it. It wasn't just you know, rogue

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<v Speaker 1>scientists doing silly things with no with no payoff, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of the charge. And I'm not even sure

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<v Speaker 1>if it was actually federally federally fund in the first place. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd have to I'd have to to review the story

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<v Speaker 1>to get into the details of it. But you still

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<v Speaker 1>see this, uh, this idea kind of continue on our

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook page. UM I share not only our content, but

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<v Speaker 1>we try and share links to you know, current science,

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<v Speaker 1>it's trending, neat studies, that sort of thing, And invariably

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<v Speaker 1>there's one particular user who will chime in, we'll find uh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, find flight three seventy instead, why can't we

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<v Speaker 1>find find flight three seventy if we're you know, chronicling

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<v Speaker 1>the genome of the of the Mantish shrimp or doing

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<v Speaker 1>this study or that, always chiming in with well where

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<v Speaker 1>the three So what you're saying is that you'll post

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<v Speaker 1>something you're like, oh, like extraordinary science, and then someone

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<v Speaker 1>will be like, but but where's that fight? Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 1>how can and and I don't want to completely discredit

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<v Speaker 1>it because it's uh. On one level, yes, it's your

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<v Speaker 1>your kind of poo pooing on our celebration of science

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<v Speaker 1>here um and and it's not that fun. But on

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<v Speaker 1>the other hand, I understand how, you know, one can

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<v Speaker 1>look around at this world. We're finding so much about

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<v Speaker 1>the world around is we're landing things on commets for

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<v Speaker 1>the first time in human history. And and then to

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<v Speaker 1>turn around and say, but wait, how can we do

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<v Speaker 1>that and not do this? How can there? How are

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<v Speaker 1>there still so many holes in our understanding of the

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<v Speaker 1>world and and just our ability to even keep track

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<v Speaker 1>of our things in this world? Well, and yes, there

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<v Speaker 1>are very there are so many unanswered questions and um and,

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<v Speaker 1>and many of them will remain that way. But of

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<v Speaker 1>course we have accums razor at our disposal, so we

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<v Speaker 1>can always turn to logic to try to cull out

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<v Speaker 1>what matters and what doesn't and what we can't answer

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<v Speaker 1>and what we can't and oncom's razor and logic and

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<v Speaker 1>all of that is predicated on something called symbolic thought.

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<v Speaker 1>And that just happens to be the first thing that

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about in terms of extraordinary science,

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<v Speaker 1>because we Homo sapiens are so proud of our neo

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<v Speaker 1>cortex sitting atop our brain, those cortical folds that help

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<v Speaker 1>us manage our lives and ascribe meaning and symbolism to them.

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<v Speaker 1>But it turns out that Homo erectus was also doing

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing way back when. Yeah, this was pretty groundbreaking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we already had some strong evidence that Neanderthals

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<v Speaker 1>engaged in this. We had there's some fifty thousand year

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<v Speaker 1>old perforated painted seashells and pignic containers that were discovered

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<v Speaker 1>on the Iberian Peninsula and a while back region that

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<v Speaker 1>was inhabited solely by Neanderthals at the time. But but

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<v Speaker 1>here is another non human hominid who seems to have

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<v Speaker 1>have I mean, in a sense, it's almost like some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of ones attempted to make some sort of biblical

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<v Speaker 1>comparison to you know, myths of of eating the fruit

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<v Speaker 1>of of one sacred tree or another, like taking that

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<v Speaker 1>that crucial step towards becoming uh, this kind of uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this kind of rational being that stands apart from everything

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<v Speaker 1>else on earth. Yeah, and this symbolism um we far

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<v Speaker 1>too often take as sort of a modern Homo sapien thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But this year researchers discovered a shell engraved with a

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<v Speaker 1>geometric pattern at an h erectus site known as Tranil

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<v Speaker 1>on the Indianesian island of Java that dates to between

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<v Speaker 1>five hundred and forty thousand and four hundred and thirty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago. Yeah, that is crazy because that is

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<v Speaker 1>at least three hundred thousand years older than the the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest previously known engravings from US South Africa. And when

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<v Speaker 1>they analyze the engraving, they feel that it was probably

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<v Speaker 1>made with like a sharp tooth or another hard pointed

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<v Speaker 1>object to create that that that that fascinating geometric design. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>now why is this important? Well? Uh, someone like Peter

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<v Speaker 1>also say, the professor of psychological and brain sciences that

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<v Speaker 1>Dark Mouth might say, well, it's because the emergence of

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<v Speaker 1>symbolic thought had profound consequences for human moral cognition. And

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<v Speaker 1>he says, you might say that the birth of symbolic

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<v Speaker 1>thought gave rise to the possibility of true morality and

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<v Speaker 1>immorality of good and evil. Once acts become symbolized, they

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<v Speaker 1>could now stand for and be instances of abstract classes

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<v Speaker 1>of action, such as good, evil, right or wrong. Symbolic

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<v Speaker 1>thought permitted new dimensions of behavior. And I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was very interesting because in this way, symbolic thought, which

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<v Speaker 1>is of course what our languages are built upon, is

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<v Speaker 1>the organizing factor. Yeah, I mean, this is the basics

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<v Speaker 1>of language here, this is the basics of the brains

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<v Speaker 1>operating system itself. You know that that we're able to

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<v Speaker 1>take symbols, were able to take signifiers uh, written or verbal,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're able to have these stand in for more

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<v Speaker 1>complicated ideas. And then and then essentially, then you can

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<v Speaker 1>combine two complicated ideas, you can combine a third, you

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<v Speaker 1>can start It's almost an externalization of of of of

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<v Speaker 1>of thinking and UH and cognition, and then a a

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<v Speaker 1>re to to reincorporate that back into the mental processes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and um, I mean the fact of that matters is

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<v Speaker 1>that Homo sapiens are but one of several human lineages

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<v Speaker 1>that use abstract intellect to ponder the world. So that

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<v Speaker 1>tells us that it's far more ancient than we ever knew. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it just drives home again that the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>humans have ascended to this UH status in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a lot of it simply has to do

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<v Speaker 1>with with our our ability to adapt a different environments

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, and to what extent we were we were

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<v Speaker 1>able to roll with with with with catastrophic changes that

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<v Speaker 1>were occurring well. And it also means that something as

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<v Speaker 1>rudimentary as a line drawing of a woman in a

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<v Speaker 1>dress or a skirt that's put on a bathroom door

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<v Speaker 1>to indicate that this this room is for females has

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<v Speaker 1>so many more layers upon it than you could ever imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>In your brain, there's the whole database built up about

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<v Speaker 1>that one image, and there are consequences for that image

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<v Speaker 1>as well. Now, another important thing about the power of

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<v Speaker 1>simple is of course that that that when you engage

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<v Speaker 1>with a symbol, uh, be it the symbol in the bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>be it be a cross beat, the Apple logo, be

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<v Speaker 1>it a swastika, uh, you know, Eastern or or western. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you are actually your brain is actually doing an unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>analysis and interpretation of that symbol before it ever enters

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<v Speaker 1>into your into your conscious mind. Like that's how powerful

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<v Speaker 1>symbol is. And as we discussed in our Symbols on

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<v Speaker 1>the Brain episode that published, I think uh um a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years ago. Perhaps maybe it was um as

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<v Speaker 1>we discussed in that episode. I mean, that's that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of core to the power of these things, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why when you walk around through your environment, you're just

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<v Speaker 1>bombarded with symbols, be it symbols for the bathroom or corporate, political,

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<v Speaker 1>religious iconography, you name it. Yeah, And I think that

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<v Speaker 1>goes back to David Eagleman and his assertations that the

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<v Speaker 1>conscious I is really sitting on the sidelines of the unconscious,

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<v Speaker 1>that all of this decisions that we're making, all those

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<v Speaker 1>judgment calls are happening under cover, and all of that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff gets served up in this kind of like uh

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<v Speaker 1>consciousness belch of the brain and we think, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>just had this epiphany or I just happened to think this. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this this thinking thing that you just made about that

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<v Speaker 1>bathroom symbol has been in the works for years and

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<v Speaker 1>whatever I is that come along with it. Well, and

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<v Speaker 1>there have been studies before that have have suggested that

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<v Speaker 1>the Christians behave more honestly when they're exposed to a crucifix,

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<v Speaker 1>that people think more creatively if they're exposed to that

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<v Speaker 1>applehole like the light bulb or the apple logo. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you have the if you're culturally preloaded to be

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<v Speaker 1>affected by that symbol. Then you're kind of it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like having like little magnets on the wall pushing

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<v Speaker 1>a little metal do Dad down the hallway, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>the metal do Dad my now, which always gets back

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<v Speaker 1>to the whole thing of constructing your own reality, And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what is reality? What is illusion in the first place?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's that's another But that's all the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>this is a great study and one that was easy

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<v Speaker 1>to miss. It's easy to you know, just scroll through

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<v Speaker 1>the headlines and you see, oh, well they found a

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<v Speaker 1>shell with some scratches on it. Big deal. I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go to read about, um, you know, what's happening with curiosity.

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<v Speaker 1>But but when you get down into the deep power

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<v Speaker 1>of it, and it really drives home how how substantial

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<v Speaker 1>the finding was. Indeed it does. Alright, we're gonn take

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<v Speaker 1>a quick break. When we get back, we're gonna talk

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<v Speaker 1>about chromosomes and tractor beans. All right, we're back. Um, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about let's talk about chromosomes and more specifically,

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk about yeast. Let's talk about yeast, shall we This?

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds like a p S A Uh. In March

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<v Speaker 1>of this year, undergraduate students in John Hopkins University, UH,

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<v Speaker 1>their their course called Build a Genome recreated yeast chromosome three,

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<v Speaker 1>which controls sexual reproduction. This is kind of huge. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this marks the first time in history, uh that a

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<v Speaker 1>a chromosome has been synthesized by humans and adopted by

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<v Speaker 1>the yeast, which and by the way, yeast serves as

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<v Speaker 1>one of biotechnologies model organisms. So this is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>ground level for any kind of future UM breakthroughs that

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<v Speaker 1>will happen. Among those future breakthroughs that they hope to

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<v Speaker 1>up to one day, UM synthesize all sixteen yeast chromosomes

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<v Speaker 1>and achieve the goal of what they call synthetic yeast

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<v Speaker 1>two point oh. Now, the researchers designed the chromosome to

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<v Speaker 1>include special markers on genes thought to be non essential,

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<v Speaker 1>and the markers were engineered so that they could be

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<v Speaker 1>triggered by an enzyme to scramble, delete or duplicate genes

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<v Speaker 1>duplica jeens. And then they made fifty thousand changes to

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<v Speaker 1>the synthetic chromosome at specific points in the code which

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<v Speaker 1>could have easily killed off the yeast cell, but instead

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<v Speaker 1>it took the mutations and stride and reproduced. So that

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<v Speaker 1>was the other part of this is that could you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of tinker with this mess with it and and

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<v Speaker 1>could it still survive? And then even though it's synthetic.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the hope here is that in the future this

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<v Speaker 1>will lead to new tests, new methods to uh, to

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<v Speaker 1>go after specific genes and to alove a better understanding

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<v Speaker 1>of junk DNA cell division and evolution itself. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>getting down here to the the core building blocks, and

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<v Speaker 1>and as we discover how to make some of the

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<v Speaker 1>building blocks ourselves, there you go. And does that mean

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<v Speaker 1>that we'll have our teas and all synthetic loaves of bread? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>That would be that would be interesting. And when when

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<v Speaker 1>do we get the first Frankenstein bread? The first because

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<v Speaker 1>you know they'll call it that in the Stein meat

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<v Speaker 1>as well, right, it's made from Alright. The next entry

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<v Speaker 1>that we have is a tiny little tractor beam. And

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<v Speaker 1>when you think about tractor beans, you probably think about

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<v Speaker 1>the Death Star or really any sort of alien civilization

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<v Speaker 1>trying to suck us up into the spaceship. That's right, Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you think of sci fi and it it

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<v Speaker 1>makes perfect sense because the term comes from sci fi.

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<v Speaker 1>The term tractor beam was coined by E. Smith. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>is also a PhD by the way, and a food engineer. UH.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was in his novel novel named a Space

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<v Speaker 1>Hounds of I p C. I p C stood for

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<v Speaker 1>Interplanetary Corporation. Uh. Smith was is considered by many kind

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<v Speaker 1>of one of one of the fathers, at least of

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<v Speaker 1>space opera, which, of course we you know, we see

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<v Speaker 1>in in Star Wars seeing doun Uh. Any of these properties, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he was. A lot of stuff was published in the

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<v Speaker 1>Pulpse of the Day, Amazing Stories and the like, but

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<v Speaker 1>he was also widely read by scientists and engineers and

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<v Speaker 1>future scientists and engineers at the time. Uh. From the

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirties and on up into the nineteen seventies, his

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<v Speaker 1>his series, such as the Linsman series of Skylark series,

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<v Speaker 1>and so he ended up accidentally coining a number of

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<v Speaker 1>scientific terms, terms for things that did not yet exist,

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<v Speaker 1>that were purely science fiction, that ended up becoming a

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<v Speaker 1>part of the language of science in the decades to follow,

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<v Speaker 1>including the tractor being. Indeed, all right, the tractor beam

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<v Speaker 1>we're about to talk about is not actually on par

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<v Speaker 1>with say something like the Death Stars tractor beam. And

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<v Speaker 1>we just want to mention that because we really want

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<v Speaker 1>to square your expectations here. Yeah, it's kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>advances that we've seen over the years with so called

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<v Speaker 1>invisibility cloak technology. UH. It's not as awesome as somebody

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<v Speaker 1>putting on a Harry Potter invisibility cloak or a predator

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<v Speaker 1>stealth system. UH. What we're able to do and those

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<v Speaker 1>experiences takes place at a at a very small level

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<v Speaker 1>and in the future could have much larger possibilities. And

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing with the tractor beams. Tractor beams have

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<v Speaker 1>have been a matter of study, UH for for years now.

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<v Speaker 1>But this particular study comes to us from Australian National

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<v Speaker 1>University UM. They have a laser based tractor beam that

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<v Speaker 1>they wrote to successfully a pull the part of pull

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<v Speaker 1>these tiny particles a distance about eight inches or twenty centimeters,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about a hundred times farther than any previous

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<v Speaker 1>experiments with tractor beams UH. During there During the experiment,

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<v Speaker 1>the researchers used a laser that projected a kind of

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<v Speaker 1>uh Ring shaped beam of light UM with a without

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<v Speaker 1>with a hot outer ring and a cool center and

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<v Speaker 1>they used this, uh, this light being to suck in

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<v Speaker 1>tiny glass spheres, each of which measured about point two

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<v Speaker 1>millimeters or point zero zero eight inches wide. So the

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<v Speaker 1>key here is is heat. Okay, this is how this

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<v Speaker 1>is working. The laser warms up the air around the

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<v Speaker 1>tiny glass sphere, causing tiny hot spots on the surface.

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<v Speaker 1>The air particles hit the hot spots and they bounce

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<v Speaker 1>off and that propels the sphere in the opposite direction.

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<v Speaker 1>So you want to make the back hotter than the

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<v Speaker 1>front and then you can propel it along. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not the stuff of moving around starships or

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<v Speaker 1>capturing the millennium falcon. But uh, the scientists believe that

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<v Speaker 1>there could be possible applications, say dealing with pollution. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you could you could successfully extract toxic particles from a

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<v Speaker 1>given body. Uh. Of course, we have a long way

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<v Speaker 1>to go before this can can deal with with greater

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<v Speaker 1>distances than those plunged in the study. He also wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to mentioned that there was another chapter being Shenanigan's thing

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<v Speaker 1>going on here, and I'm talking about researchers at the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Dundee in the UK. They used acoustic tractor

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<v Speaker 1>beams to pull an object by firing sound waves at it.

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<v Speaker 1>So what they did is they used this ultrasound device

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<v Speaker 1>that was clinically approved for use in mri I guided

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<v Speaker 1>focused ultrasound surgery, and the team was able to move

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<v Speaker 1>surprising large objects will large in this sense, um or

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<v Speaker 1>in this application, of approximately one centimeter in size. And

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<v Speaker 1>so the idea here is that in addition to just

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<v Speaker 1>manipulating objects, you could also manipulate fluids and tissues inside

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<v Speaker 1>the body, and you could deliver encapsulated drugs to the

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<v Speaker 1>exact location in the body that requires treatment. Yeah. So again,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, we're in the early days of tractor beams,

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<v Speaker 1>and and tractor beam is kind of, to a certain

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<v Speaker 1>extent a catch off for a number of different techniques

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<v Speaker 1>of pulling in something, uh without actually grabbing it with

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a grapple or a hook or what

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<v Speaker 1>have you. Because there's also also been experiments where you're

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<v Speaker 1>using the mass of an object in space to pull

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<v Speaker 1>in a smaller body, uh in the same way that

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<v Speaker 1>any smaller massed object can potentially orbit around another. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to imagine this technology fifty years from now

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<v Speaker 1>on the black market you know, you just you're welcomed

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<v Speaker 1>down the street and all of a sudden you're being

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<v Speaker 1>pulled into some sort of direction that it sucks all

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<v Speaker 1>the particles out of your body. Terrible particles, terrible. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we should take a quick break. When we get back,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to talk about how there's another breakthrough this

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<v Speaker 1>year and tinkering with the brain and memory again. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. Um. You know, we love to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the brain and our manipulation of the brain and how

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<v Speaker 1>as we learned to manipulate the brain. I mean, we're

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<v Speaker 1>still learning how the brain works, and then trying to

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<v Speaker 1>learn how the brain works. We're trying to learn how

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<v Speaker 1>we work, how our experience, ourselves in the universe works.

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<v Speaker 1>And some memory comes up quite a bit. We've we've

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<v Speaker 1>done whole episodes on the sciences memory, the fallibility of memory.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't trust it. You change a memory every time

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<v Speaker 1>you draw it out of your head. And uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>inevitably come back to the the issue of what about

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<v Speaker 1>what about bad memories? What about memories that are traumatic,

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<v Speaker 1>even that that mess up our our our lives on

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<v Speaker 1>a daily basis. Is there a way we can zap them?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there a way we can deal with them. Can

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<v Speaker 1>we eternal sunshine them? Inevitably that the movie is referenced

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<v Speaker 1>in any news article covering these breakthroughs. Yes, Eternal Sunshine

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<v Speaker 1>of the Spotless Mind clinics popping up around the country

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Uh No, but this is interesting Stanford psychiatrists

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<v Speaker 1>and neuroscientists, Dr Carl That's Roth uses optogenetics. This is

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<v Speaker 1>a technique that manipulates neuronal activity with beams of light.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we go again, with beams of light. He and

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<v Speaker 1>his researchers show that they can manipulate specific memories in mice.

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<v Speaker 1>They can delete existing memories, and they can implant false ones,

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<v Speaker 1>and they went so far as to switch the emotional

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<v Speaker 1>content of a mouse memory from good to bad and

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<v Speaker 1>vice versa. Yeah, it was important here to to break

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<v Speaker 1>down is that we're talking about contextual information about an

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<v Speaker 1>event where and what they happen, and that's recorded in

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<v Speaker 1>the brains of a campus, whereas you also have the

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<v Speaker 1>emotional component of the memory and that's stored separately in

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<v Speaker 1>the amygdala. So you know, you have like one file saying, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we went to the beach and uh saw a shark

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<v Speaker 1>in the water, that memory is is filed away. But

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<v Speaker 1>but then there's the emotional context. Did you see that

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<v Speaker 1>shark in your feet were still you were in the

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<v Speaker 1>water up to your ankles and it just freaked you

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<v Speaker 1>out to an amazing degree. Or was it a moment

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<v Speaker 1>of wonder where you're like, ah, there is a shark

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<v Speaker 1>and I live in an amazing world and being alive

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<v Speaker 1>is fantastic. The emotional coloring of that experience has a

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<v Speaker 1>huge effect on our lives. Yeah. I was just thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about in terms of tattoos, like a sort of tattooed

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<v Speaker 1>on your brain, and this this process, and this goes

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<v Speaker 1>back to the symbolic thought too. That tattoo of what

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<v Speaker 1>a shark is in your brain could be lightened a bit, right,

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<v Speaker 1>or could be reduced. You could have a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of that tattoo thought removal. You could have the residue

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<v Speaker 1>of what that symbol means, but maybe not fully. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously this isn't as simple. It's just zapping a memory

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<v Speaker 1>and there there's a bunch of complexity involved in here.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's one more uh research study that is showing

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<v Speaker 1>us that memory manipulation is on the horizon. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>just another way to get at it. And I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to mention that optogenetics are predicated on proteins called options,

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<v Speaker 1>and these are found in human eyes, in microbes and

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<v Speaker 1>other organisms. And when light shines on an option, it

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<v Speaker 1>absorbs a photon and changes it. And that's how uh

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Dysrerov has really gone about this. And by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>dest Wroth is huge in this field. He's done a

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<v Speaker 1>ton of stuff in turn of um options and optic genetics.

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<v Speaker 1>And he also created something called hydro gel. Oh, yes, hydrogel.

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<v Speaker 1>This was This is another really cool study that came

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<v Speaker 1>out this year which basically answers that question, Hey, if

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<v Speaker 1>I had a dead rat um and I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>make that rat translucent, how would I go about that?

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and and that's what what we're talking about here,

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to to take a a cadaver even and

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<v Speaker 1>make it into this translucent, visible man, visible rat body,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course has a tremendous importance when it comes

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<v Speaker 1>to studying anatomy, looking at the physiology of diseases, etcetera. Yeah, this,

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<v Speaker 1>this substance they created, hydro gel, is similar to that

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<v Speaker 1>used for contact lenses, and the method is called clarity,

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<v Speaker 1>and the result is you get the see through brains

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<v Speaker 1>and the innerds are revealed in a way that no

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<v Speaker 1>current technologies cand We're talking about large structures like the

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<v Speaker 1>hippocampus showing up with the clarity of organs and transparent fish.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty exciting. It's like putting a flashlight into the

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<v Speaker 1>brain there, and you can even see neural circuits and

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<v Speaker 1>individual cells. So yes, um, you know, you could dissect it.

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<v Speaker 1>You can have ultra thin slices, examining each slide under

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<v Speaker 1>a microscope and and this is what is traditionally done

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<v Speaker 1>heretofore um before this technique came along. But when you

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<v Speaker 1>do that, you're you're you're changing that sample and you're

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<v Speaker 1>effectively removing some clues that you might not otherwise see

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<v Speaker 1>unless it were whole, a whole brain that you could

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<v Speaker 1>just see through. Indeed, I do have to say when

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<v Speaker 1>I'm initially discovered the study, I was a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>disappointed when I of course realized that the individual must

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<v Speaker 1>be dead, because for a split second, I was imagining,

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<v Speaker 1>like the new fashion trend would be to make yourself translucent,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was, you know, French run white models walking

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<v Speaker 1>around with translucent skin. It was, it was, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a great like three seconds of my life. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I realized that, well, this is actually a practical thing.

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<v Speaker 1>You never know again, hundred years from now we could

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<v Speaker 1>have translucent engineered models possibility. Now, I wanted to mention

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<v Speaker 1>that hundreds of papers have been published about not just

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<v Speaker 1>the hyndrogail, but also the opto genetics, and according to

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<v Speaker 1>Huge Escoff at the University of California, Berkeley, researchers are

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<v Speaker 1>using and developing techniques to study brain wave sleep, memory, hunger, addiction, aggression, courtship,

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<v Speaker 1>sensory modalities, and motor behavior. Of course this is in

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<v Speaker 1>mice and rats. But again, the extra appolation here is

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<v Speaker 1>that we're getting a far better picture of the brain.

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<v Speaker 1>Um and even three years ago, two years ago, you

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<v Speaker 1>and I were talking about reverse engineering the brain and

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<v Speaker 1>how difficult that is. But now there's more technologies online

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<v Speaker 1>to actually do that in a more meaningful way. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 1>now when it comes to changing the I keep getting

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<v Speaker 1>hung up on just the idea of changing the emotional

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<v Speaker 1>context of a memory. Uh, Like, I can't help but

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<v Speaker 1>imagine like a future scenario we're say it's say say

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<v Speaker 1>Julie Douglas goes into her local doctor's office, and the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor says, look, I can't do anything about that bad

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<v Speaker 1>memory that you have about clowns that just set off

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<v Speaker 1>this whole clown phobia for you. But I can change

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<v Speaker 1>the context. But you might have to buy some grease pain,

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<v Speaker 1>you might have to behavioral therapy. You might end up

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<v Speaker 1>in enrolling in clown colleging. I mean, I'm thinking probably

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<v Speaker 1>not because because phobias are a little more more complicated

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<v Speaker 1>than that. But imagine a world where you could you

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<v Speaker 1>could simply change a life altering fear into a life

0:24:51.359 --> 0:24:56.280
<v Speaker 1>altering enthusiasm for something uh with just with just a

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<v Speaker 1>little uh neural tinkering. But see, I don't want clowns

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<v Speaker 1>to to be eradicated from my memory. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>part of the rich tapestry of narrative, right, Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that's that's kind of what you get into

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<v Speaker 1>when you discuss any changing of the brain or or

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<v Speaker 1>certainly with you know, talking about would you change something

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<v Speaker 1>in the past. What you're what you're talking about when

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<v Speaker 1>you're changing the memory of the something in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>you're essentially changing the past is in terms of your

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<v Speaker 1>your perception of it, So you kind of get into

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<v Speaker 1>the same time travel paradox uh situation. Well, if I

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<v Speaker 1>remove that uh trauma from my history, am I the

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<v Speaker 1>same person anymore? And is that good or bad? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>And if I smoked from cannabis, how does that change

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<v Speaker 1>the perception of all of it? Yeah, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a really crappy way to try to transition

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<v Speaker 1>and not into a section about cannabis. We're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, but just to mention that this this

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<v Speaker 1>might have been the year of cannabis. Oh yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean this was even the year that we actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a single country fully legalized marijuana, that being Uruguay, UM

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<v Speaker 1>and number of US states following along with parts of

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<v Speaker 1>Europe moving in a similar direction. Yeah. So perhaps we

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<v Speaker 1>will do an episode in the future here about cannabis

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<v Speaker 1>and medical marijuana recreational And we've already touched on it

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<v Speaker 1>a bit when we've talked about hacin genics and um

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<v Speaker 1>how they made treat depression and and and help the

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<v Speaker 1>brain in certain ways. But it's a it's sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a minefield this year, if you ask me, there's so

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<v Speaker 1>many studies that have come out. Yeah, there's been a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of studies. Some one in particular that came to

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<v Speaker 1>mind was really more dealing with the with the adverse

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<v Speaker 1>effects from it. But even this study was only looking

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<v Speaker 1>at it really from an addiction point of view, and

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<v Speaker 1>and and not a medication point of view, and in

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<v Speaker 1>terms of developing brains too, because we know that that

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<v Speaker 1>this is not good to introduce substances that can alter

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<v Speaker 1>brain structures in someone who is not fully developed as

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<v Speaker 1>not just even a person, but their brain. So interesting

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<v Speaker 1>stuff here and uh and if you doubt the reach

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<v Speaker 1>of cannabis, then just consider I would say the reach

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<v Speaker 1>of reefer. That would have been the reach of refer

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<v Speaker 1>the reach of reefer. Then know that the word of

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<v Speaker 1>the year for I believe it was Oxford Dictionary O

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<v Speaker 1>is vape? Oh yes, I mean the vape technology is

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<v Speaker 1>very impressive in terms of marijana, but's certainly in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of just um normal tobacco cigarettes as well. I've uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's several people in my life, um, including my mother

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<v Speaker 1>in law who has has transition from traditional cigarettes to vaping. Um. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, for health reasons, for personal life choice reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh that the technology is is fascinating. The whole

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<v Speaker 1>growth industry is people, do you know, making their own

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<v Speaker 1>technology and tinkering with it. It's uh, I mean, just

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<v Speaker 1>from a purely technological standpoint, it's it's it's really fascinating stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, you nineteen twenties people sitting around going, did

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<v Speaker 1>you guys hear that pouka is the word of the year,

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<v Speaker 1>trying to imagine that. Yeah, equivalent individual in our office

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<v Speaker 1>who will remain nameless. I guess that has like a

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<v Speaker 1>vape puuka. Yes he does, alright, So there you have it. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>just till you know, a run through some of the

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<v Speaker 1>the studies that caught our eyes this year. Again, that's

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<v Speaker 1>not an exhaustive list. Certainly there were other studies that

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<v Speaker 1>that we got to kick out off, that we've blogged about,

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<v Speaker 1>that we podcasted about, that we did videos on, and

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<v Speaker 1>you'll find all of those. It's stuff to blow your

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