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Speaker 1: Why is the media dead?

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, we always talk about stress tests. People

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, I better wear a mask on well, stand

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Speaker 2: The American people fail for.

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Speaker 1: It, and the media has done this time after time

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Speaker 1: I better improve the United States of America, after enduring

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Speaker 1: And what is that improvement? They decided to reject the media.

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Speaker 1: What they're describing is the American people are changing the

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Speaker 1: The American people failed some stress tests and they decided

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Speaker 1: and it's beautiful. All that hopefully made you very comfortable,

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Speaker 1: It was the most fake thing I'd ever seen in

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Speaker 1: Let's talk to Steve about this. Joining me now, author

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Speaker 1: Kelly Show, My friend Steve Krakauer. Steve, you wrote a

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Speaker 6: What we say, Yeah, what an encouraging sign of just

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Speaker 6: And yes, we saw a wholesale rejection of this idea

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's why I stay so humble. Steve, thank you

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Speaker 1: My friend hosted the Brianna Morello Show, Brianna Morello. Brianna,

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Speaker 5: of be quiet about it and leave quietly. I don't

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Speaker 5: think that's the best way to handle it. And it's

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Speaker 5: also worth noting too, there was a Foyer request that

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Speaker 5: was done by The Blaze a couple of years ago,

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Speaker 5: and it added all of the big outlets that took

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Speaker 5: money from HHS to push the vaccines onto the American people.

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Speaker 5: Now we don't know the exact dollar amount, but over

447
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Speaker 5: one hundred million dollars who's advocated through legislation to go

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Speaker 5: to the media. But ultimately Fox was on that list

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Speaker 5: of media outlets that took that money to promote the jabs.

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Speaker 5: And I've reported it constantly. I mean, I was there

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Speaker 5: when certain interviews were edited where if you criticize the

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Speaker 5: vaccines or told people maybe just hold up forgetting it

453
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Speaker 5: because you don't know the long term effects of all

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Speaker 5: of this. You actually got that interview the complete if

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Speaker 5: it was a pre tape deleted or that little clip

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Speaker 5: was cut out. Peter Navarro was the victim of that

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Speaker 5: when we had him one of the shows that I

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Speaker 5: booked for, and so just time and time again, it

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Speaker 5: was just a reminder that this wasn't the company that

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Speaker 5: I agreed to work for.

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Speaker 2: A freak. It sucks.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, now you have a show in fact, people

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Speaker 1: can watch you right here on the first How did

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Speaker 1: you get a show to watch us through this whole journey.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's been quite interesting, right, So I've been going

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Speaker 5: through the process. I'm doing my own digging and doing

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Speaker 5: my own stories, and I just figured why not just

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Speaker 5: do this every single day? That would be fun, right,

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Speaker 5: So we started this show. It's a one hour show

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Speaker 5: every single day, and it's also featured on the First

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Speaker 5: TV on the weekends at seven pm Eastern Time. On Saturdays,

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Speaker 5: we kick it off and it's great. It's got all

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Speaker 5: these people who were kind enough that I've known through

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Speaker 5: my Fox years. They're joining me. We have all these discussions.

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Speaker 5: I even do exclusive stories. You know, I was the

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Speaker 5: reporter who broke that story about Chelsea Gabbert being added

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Speaker 5: to a terror watchless heads up Fox News how that

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Speaker 5: story before I did. They refused to run it. They

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Speaker 5: didn't run it before I did. And I know this

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Speaker 5: because they verified it with my sources and they just

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Speaker 5: decided how to run it. So that's the reason why

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Speaker 5: people tune into shows like mine, because we don't censor things.

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Speaker 5: I publish everything that I've made aware of that I

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Speaker 5: could prove is real, and the corporate media refused to

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Speaker 5: do that. So that's the alternative that you have these days.

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Speaker 5: You have the independent world or we're not afraid to

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Speaker 5: publish the truth, and then you have the corporate media world.

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Speaker 5: That's the reason why you guys want to tune in

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Speaker 5: every single day at seven pm Eastern time?

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Speaker 1: Is that why people are tuning out? Is that why

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Speaker 1: they're there? They've moved on from this mainstream media thing.

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Speaker 1: The numbers are amazing.

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Speaker 5: Isn't it crazy? I think one thousand percent? Right, we're

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Speaker 5: listening to the incoming administration say that they're going to

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Speaker 5: be open to giving podcasters and influencers potentially press credentials

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Speaker 5: to cover the White House, and I think it's because

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Speaker 5: they see the value in all of this. You know,

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Speaker 5: if we just had the corporate media coverage on President Trump,

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Speaker 5: he wouldn't have made his way back into the White House.

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Speaker 5: I think Americans are tuning out the cable world. They

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Speaker 5: know that the cable world is garbage. They lie, they

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Speaker 5: continue to lie. You know, I was just listening to

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Speaker 5: ABC News talk about Lakelann Riley and the conviction that

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Speaker 5: just came in for Lake for the person who did

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Speaker 5: murder the Legalalen who didn't murder Lakeland Riley, and they

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Speaker 5: made it seem political. They actually pinned it against President

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Speaker 5: President Donald Trump, saying that President Trump is the reason

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Speaker 5: why there's so much toxic coverage in all this this situation,

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Speaker 5: rather than the people who let him in. I think

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Speaker 5: Americans see things like that, They've had enough, they're tapping out,

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Speaker 5: They're turning to independent outlets to tell them the truth.

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Speaker 5: And that's exactly what the rest of us are doing.

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Speaker 1: Brianna elon Musk, I'm very standoffish with really everybody, especially

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Speaker 1: politicians and billionaires and celebrities on the cynic by nature,

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Speaker 1: as you know, and so I don't worship anybody, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but I'm impressed at this point in time, I was

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Speaker 1: very very cautious and I'm still cautious. But at this point,

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Speaker 1: how do we not acknowledge that his purchase of Twitter,

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Speaker 1: which he then called X, which is still weird, but

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Speaker 1: his purchase of Twitter and giving people a platform there.

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Speaker 2: It has been huge.

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Speaker 5: He has been great for free speech, It really has been.

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Speaker 5: I mean, as an independent journalist, I am making great

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Speaker 5: money from X and I'm very thankful for that. I mean,

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Speaker 5: if it wasn't for Elon Musk, I'd be very eliminated

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Speaker 5: with the platforms like a broadcast on because of many

527
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Speaker 5: of you guys know at home, places like YouTube and

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Speaker 5: other platforms do censor and do as people who are

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Speaker 5: covering certain topics that are controversial. So the fact that

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Speaker 5: Elon Musk purchase Twitter and is coming out saying, you know,

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Speaker 5: I'm going to allow these independent journalists to do whatever

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Speaker 5: they want to do, cover whatever they want to do,

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Speaker 5: and I'm not stepping in. It's really really important. You know,

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Speaker 5: we are in a fight between good and evil, and

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Speaker 5: if this latest election doesn't highlight that, I don't know

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Speaker 5: what else will for the American people. I mean, we

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Speaker 5: need all of the superheroes we can get. Right now,

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Speaker 5: Elon Musk has become the rights George Sorows and he's

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Speaker 5: funding things that are really really important. It's not even

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Speaker 5: that he's political at this point. He's a common sense

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Speaker 5: kind of person and it has somehow made him a

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Speaker 5: popular figure on the right. And it's strange, but I

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Speaker 5: think it's what's waking up so many people because Elon Musk,

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Speaker 5: keep in mind, used to actually donate to the ACLU,

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Speaker 5: and he was a big donor for them. Now all

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Speaker 5: of a sudden, he's woken up to realize the ACLU

547
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Speaker 5: doesn't actually support what it pretends to support, and he's

548
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Speaker 5: fighting and he's putting his own money where his mouth is.

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Speaker 5: The purchase of Twitter was actually massive, and I don't

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Speaker 5: know if we understand that fully yet. But I don't

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Speaker 5: think if Elon Musk didn't purchase Twitter and didn't push

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Speaker 5: for free speech like he did, if President Trump would

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Speaker 5: have gotten his way back into the White House.

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Speaker 1: How do we handle our responsibility going forward? I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you I try to be extremely careful about things. I've

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Speaker 1: made a mistake here and there, but not running things

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Speaker 1: not running with things that I can't verify are true.

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Speaker 1: I get the impression we should be careful with the

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Speaker 1: power we've been given now because just like the mainstream media,

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Speaker 1: people will move on if we abuse it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, well, I constantly will not publish a story

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Speaker 5: if I cannot prove it to be factually true. There's

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Speaker 5: a lot of defamation lawsuits that you have to be

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Speaker 5: cautious of. But you also don't want to discredit yourself.

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Speaker 5: As independent journalists, your income usually comes directly from your audience,

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Speaker 5: and so you don't want to abuse that trust because

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Speaker 5: once you do, they could just pull all their money

568
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Speaker 5: and then you'd have nothing. You wouldn't have a job,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's really important for folks to understand.

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Speaker 5: So I'm constantly calling people, asking the uncomfortable questions and

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Speaker 5: vetting things. I get tips all the time. A lot

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Speaker 5: of those tips, I would say about probably eighty percent

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Speaker 5: of them don't really hold much in the way of

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Speaker 5: truth or you can't verify them, so you can't run them,

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Speaker 5: and you can't be afraid to do that. There's a

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Speaker 5: lot of ways to verify tips, and I've learned that

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Speaker 5: throughout my career as journalists. But for those of you

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Speaker 5: at home, there's a lot of people also, and I

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Speaker 5: don't support all independent journalists because some of them aren't

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Speaker 5: actual journalists. I don't vet things. I'll hear something and

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Speaker 5: then they'll publish it online is if it's actually true.

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Speaker 5: I don't do that because I fear being sued for defamation.

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Speaker 5: That's a massive, massive legal flight to take up, and

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Speaker 5: so you have to be cautious. So I think the

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Speaker 5: rest of us should be okay with not publishing everything

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Speaker 5: that we hear or see it first, because you don't

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Speaker 5: want to be on the wrong side of things. But

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Speaker 5: making phone calls, reaching out to both parties for comment

589
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Speaker 5: is the best way to avoid any of that because

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Speaker 5: once you give both sides the opportunity to tell you

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Speaker 5: if it's true or false, you could kind of make

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Speaker 5: your own make your own way from that, and that's

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Speaker 5: what I've always done. So I think that's really really

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Speaker 5: important for folks to understand follow journalists who actually reach

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Speaker 5: out for comment.

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Speaker 2: I've got a.

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Speaker 1: Tip for you and everybody else, although you don't have

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Speaker 1: to reach out for comment. The pepperoni puffs that Little

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Speaker 1: Caesar's are unbelievable. It's one of the best kept secrets

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Speaker 1: in the country right now, and I highly recommend you

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Speaker 1: try them today today.

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Speaker 5: If you can't, Rihanna, well, RFK might shut it down soon.

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Speaker 5: And I'm pretty sure Caesars isn't probably the best for us,

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Speaker 5: and so everyone should go out there and grab them now.

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Speaker 5: I'm a big fan of their stuff. Crust pizza. There's

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Speaker 5: something in there. It might be crack, but there's something

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Speaker 5: in it.

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Speaker 1: Gosh, it's so freaking good. Now I'm starving. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: let you go. I need to go eat.

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Speaker 2: Brianna Morello, host of The Brionna Morello Show, thank you.

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Speaker 1: I need to go eat some Pepperoni puffs and then

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to Matthew Peterson from The Blaze next. We

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Speaker 1: have incredible options today, and I love that the mainstream

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Speaker 1: media hates it, but you me, we have options on

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Speaker 1: things we watch, things we can listen to. And while

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Speaker 1: I love the First, I'm a fan of others too,

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Speaker 1: big fan. Daily Wire does incredible stuff. The Blaze. I

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Speaker 1: just love The Blaze. I'm so impressed by the things

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Speaker 1: they do with The Blaze, And in fact, I want

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Speaker 1: to talk to Matthew Peterson about that.

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Speaker 2: He is the editor in chief of The Blaze.

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Speaker 1: Matthew, you guys have something kind of big going on

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Speaker 1: right now, and it looks freaking cool. The man in

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Speaker 1: me is already in love with it. But I'm going

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Speaker 1: to hand it to you. You'll let you make the

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Speaker 1: pitch for it.

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Speaker 7: Yeah. Well, look, I mean we're in this unique environment

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Speaker 7: right now where everyone's realizing what a lot of us

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Speaker 7: have said for years, which is that there's really no

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Speaker 7: value left anymore in mainstream media. On the other hand,

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Speaker 7: as good as these new outfits are, like what you're doing,

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Speaker 7: like what Daily Wire is doing, like what we're doing.

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Speaker 7: You know, look, what we're doing is good because it's

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Speaker 7: new when we're trying to do something different, not because

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Speaker 7: we're doing the same thing the right has done, which

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Speaker 7: is generally sucked for a long time, as we all know.

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Speaker 7: So I don't know how many times I'm just so

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Speaker 7: excited to be part of this.

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Speaker 2: I'm lucky.

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Speaker 7: I don't know how many times I've talked to people

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Speaker 7: over the last twenty years really about creating a conservative,

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Speaker 7: you know, a right leaning or just non borg magazine,

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Speaker 7: and that just did all the things that had profiles

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Speaker 7: talked about, not politics, but like life, what's.

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Speaker 8: Going on out there?

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Speaker 7: Right, interesting descriptive stuff that's not just someone pontificating, no

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Speaker 7: op eds, no white papers, right, but just really interesting

648
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Speaker 7: content that grabs you and.

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Speaker 8: In a in a beautiful format.

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Speaker 7: And so we we created Frontier and you know, after

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Speaker 7: the election, we're all living in a new Frontier. I

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Speaker 7: couldn't be pleased that we started before then. And this

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Speaker 7: is the kind of thing that you can pick up

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Speaker 7: and read. And you know, I did an interview with

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Speaker 7: Glenn Beck in this for instance, and not not Glenn

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Speaker 7: Beck the media figure, you know, but Glenn Beck, the

657
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Speaker 7: guy who spends a lot of time saving American artifacts,

658
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Speaker 7: right and is very concerned with American history and what

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Speaker 7: he does with that. Matt Tayebi wrote for us about

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Speaker 7: what it was like to walk into Elon's uh you know,

661
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Speaker 7: uh office, and and going too the Twitter Twitter offices

662
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Speaker 7: and create the Twitter files with Barry Wise and Michael Schellenberg.

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Speaker 7: You have reviews of whiskey restaurants. Uh, you know, the

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Speaker 7: kind of normal stuff that just represents a holistic vision

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Speaker 7: of media. And so you know, this is a work

666
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Speaker 7: in progress, but zero to one we got this out

667
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Speaker 7: of the bag, and I think it hits the mark,

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Speaker 7: and I think if you check it out, you'll agree.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I haven't gotten my hands on a physical copy of

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Speaker 1: one yet, and I'm gonna freaking nerd out on it.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: I'm a magazine guy, Matthew.

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Speaker 2: Maybe I'm an old school guy. I'm a magazine guy.

675
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Speaker 2: I dig it. I'm totally in on it. Anyway, I'm back,

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Speaker 2: all right. So let's what's that. They're coming back.

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Speaker 8: People want the physical thing again, you know they are.

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Speaker 1: You know, physical books are coming back to I don't

679
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Speaker 1: know why we're going off on this, but now that

680
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Speaker 1: we're on it, I'm on it too. I used to

681
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Speaker 1: be and I still am when I travel a kindle guy,

682
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Speaker 1: right because you have all your stuff right there. But

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Speaker 1: me and my sons, you know, my boys are fifteen

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Speaker 1: and sixteen. My sons prefer physical books.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: Really, I don't know what that is. Maybe there's something

687
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Speaker 1: cave Man and all of us. I don't know what

688
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Speaker 1: that is, but I like having a physical copy of something.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think I think there's a snapback or a

690
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Speaker 7: correction to go back, not to get rid of everything digital,

691
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Speaker 7: but to grab onto things that are meaningful and physical.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's talk about the rise of the

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Speaker 1: independent media, and more specifically, let's talk about the rejection

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Speaker 1: of the mainstream media, because it was this last election, honestly,

695
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Speaker 1: as much as anything, it was a rejection of the

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Speaker 1: media that told everybody Trump's hitler forever, over and over

697
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Speaker 1: and over again, and then he goes out and wins

698
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Speaker 1: the popular vote. What that is is the American people saying,

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Speaker 1: we don't believe you anymore.

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Speaker 2: But what was it?

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Speaker 1: And I know it was a series of things over

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Speaker 1: a long period of time, but if you had to

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Speaker 1: point to one or two things that were the thing

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Speaker 1: where the American people finally were all, you know, I'm

705
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Speaker 1: not listening anymore.

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Speaker 2: What was it?

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Speaker 7: So I would actually go back to the start, because

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Speaker 7: I think we can talk about the end, but I

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Speaker 7: think the beginning, right is when they really they really

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Speaker 7: themselves a whole.

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Speaker 8: I would go right back to the.

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Speaker 7: Russian collusion narrative from the very beginning, because they grabbed

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Speaker 7: onto that and did not let go. That was the

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Speaker 7: first big thing. Of course, they've been lying about stuff

715
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Speaker 7: for decades. When it came for Trump, came for Trump,

716
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Speaker 7: something was different and they grabbed onto this, this lie

717
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Speaker 7: that came from the government and major institutions and Obama

718
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Speaker 7: and friends on the way out, and they did not

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Speaker 7: let go. And I remember thinking at the time, you know,

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Speaker 7: it's almost as if they have this spear and they're

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Speaker 7: coming to you know, just spear Trump with it, and

722
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Speaker 7: he grabs it and they won't let go of it.

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Speaker 7: So he uses the fact they won't let go of

724
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Speaker 7: it to turn it around and drive it through them.

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Speaker 7: And He's done this repeatedly. This has happened to them repeatedly.

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Speaker 7: They grabbed onto collusion, they wouldn't let it go. They

727
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Speaker 7: were unrepentant. And then when you go through COVID, of course,

728
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Speaker 7: you know that's that's an enormous one that still people

729
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Speaker 7: are bleeding off of that one where they spout a

730
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Speaker 7: bunch of ridiculous stuff for political reasons, won't let go.

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Speaker 7: People's lives are impacted. I don't think there was a

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Speaker 7: tipping point of these things. I think it started with

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Speaker 7: them just just going in a one hundred percent way

734
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Speaker 7: novack sies no back down against Trump, and those compounded

735
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Speaker 7: over time, and then I think what actually popped the balloon,

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Speaker 7: Jesse was when you saw what happened to the guy

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Speaker 7: on that faithful day this summer, right when when people

738
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Speaker 7: just saw the visuals of the assassination attempt and him

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Speaker 7: stand up and what his initial response was, and there

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Speaker 7: was something viseral about that moment that just stuck with people.

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Speaker 8: You know, they saw.

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Speaker 7: This media aligned to them over time or they started

743
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Speaker 7: to become more unsure of it, and then you see

744
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Speaker 7: the guy and what he did in a world historical

745
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Speaker 7: moment that can't be faked.

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Speaker 8: And I think it was over at that.

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Speaker 2: Point, Matthew.

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Speaker 1: When we talk about how the how the media won't

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Speaker 1: back off, like you just mentioned, how they don't back off,

750
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Speaker 1: they just keep going of something small as they keep going.

751
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Speaker 1: The lack of humility I find fascinating. And obviously I'm

752
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Speaker 1: not pretend like I'm a humble person. Nobody, nobody watching

753
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Speaker 1: thinks that at all. So I'm not gonna act like

754
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Speaker 1: I'm some found of humility here. But I've had several

755
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Speaker 1: things that I've screwed up in my life and periods

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Speaker 1: of my life that I've bottomed down, and they've been

757
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Speaker 1: my fault, and I've been able to look at myself

758
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Speaker 1: in the mirror and say, man, that's on you.

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Speaker 2: You gotta you gotta get it cleaned up.

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Speaker 1: You're you're drinking too much, You're you're not working out,

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Speaker 1: You're you're doing these things.

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Speaker 2: No one in the media can do that.

763
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Speaker 1: Nobody in the media can look in the mirror and say, hey,

764
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Speaker 1: maybe the lies without end, maybe we should back off

765
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Speaker 1: that that no one can.

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Speaker 7: Uh no, you're right, they can't, because you know, the

767
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Speaker 7: rest of us can look in the mirror and self

768
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Speaker 7: reflect and.

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Speaker 8: These people, maybe some of them as individuals can, but.

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Speaker 7: There it's because their job, right, their job is not

771
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Speaker 7: to tell the truth. They're you know, you know how

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Speaker 7: I knew that Biden was going to have to step

773
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Speaker 7: aside because the New York Times came out and said so.

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Speaker 8: Not because the New York Times is so powerful, but

775
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Speaker 8: because they.

776
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Speaker 7: Would ever speak truth to actual power. They would never

777
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Speaker 7: get out in front of power. That's not their job.

778
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 7: Their job is to be the mouthpiece for power. So

779
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Speaker 7: you knew when they came out and said Biden should

780
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Speaker 7: step down. It wasn't a brave stand. There was a

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Speaker 7: powerful force that was behind this, and they were the

782
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Speaker 7: mouthpiece of it. So they're mouthpieces. They're like they're like PR.

783
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Speaker 7: They're like salesmen. They're paid to go out and say

784
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Speaker 7: what they're going to say, and it's almost it's degrading

785
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Speaker 7: to the human person, you know, and Tucker talks about this,

786
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 7: he's right. To actually have to do this every day

787
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Speaker 7: and get paid to lie is just a disgraceful thing.

788
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Speaker 7: And I'm sure some of these people are like tortured.

789
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Speaker 7: Some of them are beyond you know, they don't even

790
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 7: care anymore. But it's not their job right to be humble,

791
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 7: because they're not wrong in their mind. Their job is

792
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Speaker 7: to go out and say what they're supposed to say.

793
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 7: And at this point it's so obvious, right, it's bad PR,

794
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 7: it's bad sales, and that's why it's not working.

795
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Speaker 1: Matthew, I want to go back to something you were

796
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: talking about about Glenn Beck in his preservation of History.

797
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Speaker 1: It's funny the last time I actually sat down with Glenn,

798
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Speaker 1: he had to pause our interview for a couple of

799
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Speaker 1: minutes because he was doing exactly that. It was a painting,

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Speaker 1: something to do with Washington. I forget exactly what it was,

801
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: but he was emphatic that he had to buy this

802
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Speaker 1: to save it. And you actually recently sat down with

803
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Speaker 1: him and talked about how the people who write history

804
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Speaker 1: don't always do so accurately.

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Speaker 2: Talk about that.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, so, I mean, just first off, in case anyone's

807
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 7: been living under a rock, right, I mean, they need

808
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 7: to realize that this is what we've done in our

809
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Speaker 7: schools for a long time.

810
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Speaker 8: We have sold a version of history in which we

811
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Speaker 8: lie about ourselves.

812
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Speaker 7: It's one of the most bizarre things you can imagine

813
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 7: human civilization, But we've lied about ourselves, saying that we

814
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Speaker 7: are bad, we are intrinsically evil in some ways a nation.

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Speaker 8: We've done that systematically.

816
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Speaker 7: I mean, Howard Zinn's history books is common history books

817
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 7: were selling like hotcakes decades ago, and that influenced the

818
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Speaker 7: entire nation.

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Speaker 2: So what you have now is.

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Speaker 8: Precisely what we've seen in the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: This comes to fruition.

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Speaker 7: People actually want to rip down physical manifestations of American

823
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Speaker 7: history and heroes. They want to take statues down and

824
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Speaker 7: melt them down and destroy the physical right remnants of

825
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Speaker 7: our actual history. And I think what Glenn recognizes and

826
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Speaker 7: really has pointed out to me in ways that I've

827
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Speaker 7: really learned from is just how story is so important

828
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Speaker 7: right to memory and to describe who you are now

829
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Speaker 7: in the present. And the story for in history comes

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Speaker 7: from actual physical artifacts, right, you know, the actual copy

831
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Speaker 7: of the Federal's papers you can touch, or George Washington's

832
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Speaker 7: compass which.

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Speaker 8: He has at the museum.

834
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Speaker 7: And what they want to do is get rid of that,

835
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Speaker 7: so they really put it in the memory hole. And

836
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Speaker 7: you know, he tells a story about about one of

837
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Speaker 7: the bells of the Santa Maria and at an auction

838
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 7: a guy tries to buy it and the seller he

839
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 7: wins the auction, and he tries to actually take possession.

840
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Speaker 8: Of the bell, and he's the guy selling it says,

841
00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 8: what are you doing with this?

842
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 7: He says, oh, I'm going to melt it down because

843
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,359
Speaker 7: that represents colonialism, and I'm going to melt it down

844
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Speaker 7: and put him in some postmodern architecture.

845
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Speaker 8: And the guy refused to sell it to him. I mean,

846
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Speaker 8: they're going back to erase it.

847
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 7: So saving it, right means saving actual physical things representations

848
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Speaker 7: of the past that tell our story. And you know,

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Speaker 7: I think this is a really noble thing that Glenn

850
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Speaker 7: is doing here that more people should know about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do too.

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Speaker 1: I should note I don't want to brag I've actually

853
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Speaker 1: held that compass. I stood right there with Glenn and

854
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Speaker 1: I held George Washington's compass and it was six.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the coolest things ever.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Matthew, one more time, I want you to tell.

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Speaker 2: Us Frontier magazine. How do I get my hands on it?

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Speaker 7: You want to go to the Blaze dot com slash

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Speaker 7: Frontier the Blaze slash Frontier. If you get there, you're

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Speaker 7: gonna find a few articles are free, but most of them,

861
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Speaker 7: you know, won't be released to the public.

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Speaker 8: It's a print only sort of thing.

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Speaker 7: If you're a subscriber, you can also see it on digital,

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Speaker 7: but we're not releasing all those articles to everyone. This

865
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Speaker 7: is a very special Sick quarterly you can put on

866
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Speaker 7: your coffee table and everyone will know that you and

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Speaker 7: it are awesome.

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Speaker 2: I dig it.

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Speaker 1: I'm so in Matthew. Thank you, brother, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: All Right, we have final thoughts next. Now let's finish

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Speaker 1: this with some final thoughts on the mainstream media, because

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00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: you and I actually still have a role to play here.

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Speaker 2: The mainstream media is not dead. It is dying. As

874
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Speaker 2: we just talked about. We laid out all the reasons.

875
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: But it is not dead yet, and so there may

876
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: be opportunities for you to help them out, or should

877
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 1: I should say, to not.

878
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 2: Hurt them anymore? Maybe your maybe.

879
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 1: Your brother comes over and he says, some think about

880
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: something you saw on CNN.

881
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 2: It is important for you and I to.

882
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: Keep up the pressure and make sure every person in

883
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: the United States of America knows CNN is an evil

884
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: news network that lies about everything.

885
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: So tell your brother that essentially the mainstream.

886
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: Media they're in the middle of the pool and they're drowning,

887
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: and they're asking for help. Every single chance you get,

888
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: toss them a cinder block to ensure they sink to

889
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: the bottom of the pool. It could not possibly happen

890
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: to a more evil entity than the American media. I've

891
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: watched the American media and the things they've done. I've

892
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: watched it kill people in this country. I've watched them

893
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 1: cause race riots. I've watched them lie after lie after lie.

894
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: Don't have an ounce of sympathy for these people.

895
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: Finish them off, Change the channel and tell your liberal

896
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: aunt Peggy everything she believes is a lie.

897
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 2: All right, all right, we'll do it again.