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Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Blowing out of the backfield,

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Speaker 1: flumbing down the sidelines. He's Hanging with the Boys, broadcasting

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Speaker 1: live from Dallas Cowboys World Headquarters at the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 1: Now your host, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and Shannon Gross

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Speaker 1: Gross Thankful Thursday, Thankful that the Cowboys had a losing record,

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Speaker 1: Thankful for the victory Sunday. Thankful for the gumbo that

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Speaker 1: they served at lunch curtain. Blew it you blew it.

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Speaker 1: It was good, guy, and I'm a Louisiana boy, and

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Speaker 1: it was good. It was a little thick, the roue

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Speaker 1: was a little bit, but the flavor was delicious. It

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Speaker 1: was had three three bowls up. Yeah, and it had

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Speaker 1: okry in it, and I don't like okre, but man,

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Speaker 1: this this was special. Man, it was good. It was great.

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Speaker 1: And we're also thankful that Kurt finally did something on

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Speaker 1: this show and booked us a special guest today, Gary Myers,

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Speaker 1: author of the brand new book How About Them Cowboys?

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Speaker 1: Inside the Huddle with the stars and legends of America's team.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. Gary I am just honored to

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Speaker 1: me my greatness. What about me and Kurt? Yeah, hey,

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Speaker 1: I was there when they was a rookie. I forget

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Speaker 1: what your was, yeah, eighty six, but we knew right

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Speaker 1: away this felt guy from Florida it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: a big time player. I have heard a lot of

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Speaker 1: words to describe you, but spelt has never been one.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I would hope that that Garretten

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Speaker 1: really felt that way becomes. And they looked at me

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Speaker 1: and said, if the Cowboys leading this guy on the team,

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Speaker 1: they are doing it. All seriousness dropped because I remember,

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Speaker 1: I like, I didn't remember what year was, but I

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Speaker 1: do remember out in Thousand Oaks. Didn't take long for

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Speaker 1: us to realize that this guy was was specially the

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Speaker 1: USFL experienced right, yes, sir, And he stepped right in

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Speaker 1: there and was irking back. Was he the line coach? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he the one that gave me my big chance because

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Speaker 1: member coach Myers like the smaller guys, right guys, you

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Speaker 1: know around two sixty five to seventy, you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got that right. Jim lurking Back came in and

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Speaker 1: said he saw the new slogan. You know, we got

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Speaker 1: big new and we're gonna bringing the biggest wood possible.

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Speaker 1: And don't take that the wrong way, you but man, Gary,

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Speaker 1: tell us what we get into this. Nate doesn't like

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Speaker 1: to talk about himself. Do you have any stories about

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Speaker 1: Nate that you can tell us? Now this is a

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Speaker 1: PG show. Do you have any any stories that you

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Speaker 1: We're gonna keep it to PG none. Because he was

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Speaker 1: one of the great Uh. He was a journalist, he

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Speaker 1: was a columnist, He was everything that said journalism. So

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Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna do nothing wrong. Back in the day

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Speaker 1: they had they had that integrity, so they weren't gonna

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Speaker 1: hang out with us. You know. He was a professional. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I tell people that, and this is really the truth.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying it because I just wrote

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Speaker 1: a book about the Cowboys. I'm not saying it because

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Speaker 1: I'm sitting here and I've been gone from Dallas for

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Speaker 1: twenty nine years. The most fun and the best job

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Speaker 1: Morning News covering the Cowboys from eighty one to eighty nine. Yeah. Right,

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Speaker 1: as that great newspaper war between the Morning News and

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Speaker 1: the Times, Harold had really hit its height. The Cowboys

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Speaker 1: were the most important beat, not just in the sports section,

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Speaker 1: all in uncovering the Cowboys, and it was energizing. And

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Speaker 1: wouldever I've accomplished in my career was because of being

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Speaker 1: surprised to hear that in a little ways because you

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Speaker 1: And all the writers prior to me in eighty one nothing,

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Speaker 1: And I just came here with a kind of a

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Speaker 1: get into that. You're actually doing another book sign today.

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Speaker 1: And Nate, if you want to come buy and sign

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Speaker 1: kind of, I don't won't say he broke it up

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Speaker 1: What makes your book? Because I tell you, people, I

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Speaker 1: Junior separately. And there's a lot in the book about

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Speaker 1: the family interaction, how this really is a five billion

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Speaker 1: I said, it's really kind of funny. And unless you

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Speaker 1: And then Nate a chapter that you can really relate to. Um,

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Speaker 1: goos that gravelly, a young man, you are committing career

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine. Never forget that date, Jerry and Techs

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Speaker 1: because you know, he was down in Austin. I first went,

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Speaker 1: atport and Addison looking for him. I went to his

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Speaker 1: house to look for him, and no sign of Tom.

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Speaker 1: We drove out to Valley Ranch. In those days, unlike

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Speaker 1: having security guards every ten feet in this building, the

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Speaker 1: Roger starback. Yeah, right right, and we walked right in.

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Speaker 1: David Moore, who was in on the Star Telegram now

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Speaker 1: at the morning News. I ran into him at Landry's

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Speaker 1: house and we decided to drive out to Valley Rans,

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Speaker 1: thinking maybe we'd luck out. Tom's car was in his

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Speaker 1: parking spot. We'd use the thirty four twelve to get

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Speaker 1: We had free run in the place. We walked back.

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Speaker 1: Tom sitting in his office. Barbara Goodman, who was one

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Speaker 1: of my book signings the other night. I hadn't seen

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Speaker 1: her in thirty years, and wonderful. She looked great. So

446
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 1: she's sitting in front there and said, sorry, but mister

447
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: Landry is busy. He hears our voice. It goes no, Barbara,

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Speaker 1: it's okay. They can come in. So we sat in

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Speaker 1: the office as Tom packed his belongings in the boxes,

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00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 1: and you're thinking, this is like any person in America

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Speaker 1: who just lost their job, and he's going off. I

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00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 1: knew I had this much stuff. I would have cleaned

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Speaker 1: out my desk a lot earlier. I mean, it was

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00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: really compelling and I'm sitting there thinking, I'm sitting in

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Speaker 1: on NFL history here. Yeah, this is one of the

456
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Speaker 1: most famous people in that law history of the NFL

457
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: who just got fired. And just like any Joe Smith

458
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 1: or whatever, is sitting there with these cardboard boxes packing

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Speaker 1: up twenty nine years of memories. And Tom was gracious.

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00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: There was no sign of bitterness when we talked to him.

461
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:23,239
Speaker 1: It was probably the most compelling scene I've ever been

462
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: a part of in forty years of writing about the NFL.

463
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,680
Speaker 1: We wish you would had I wish these would have

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Speaker 1: been Yeah, but you know, you know what, Nate, Here's

465
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Speaker 1: the thing, It was almost better that there wasn't this

466
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Speaker 1: instantaneous need to tweet it or write a quick story

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Speaker 1: for the paper. We sat with Tom for like an

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Speaker 1: hour and a half, and I had had a lot

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Speaker 1: in the story one hundred percent right, and I had

471
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: like a seventh thirty or eight o'clock deadline, so I

472
00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 1: was able to take my time and carefully write the story.

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine if that would happen today. So

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Speaker 1: we'd never be able to get into the building with

475
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 1: before twelve anymore, you'd feel like, after you sat with

476
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: the fifteen minutes, I gotta get the heck out of

477
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: there and go right to the story. I just sat

478
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: in with Tom Landry as he's packing up his office.

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00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: So at least the one good thing in those days

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Speaker 1: was there wasn't this need to get straight? Yeah? Yeah,

481
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Speaker 1: And I was able to spend time, so that that

482
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: is like a lasting memory that I'll I've had about

483
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: my career because I really liked Tom a lot. Who

484
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,719
Speaker 1: didn't Yeah, I mean he was didn't. He just treated

485
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: with the respect. It was no such thing as a

486
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Speaker 1: stupid question, although God knows, I asked plenty of stupid

487
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Speaker 1: questions and um, and he was so gracious. Can you

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Speaker 1: can you hang out a little bit longer? You on

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Speaker 1: a deadline? You want a schedule? No, if you need me,

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Speaker 1: I'll stay, stay for another segment because I know Kurt's

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Speaker 1: got a few more questions. I love to and we'll

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Speaker 1: keep you for another No. No, no, not at all,

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Speaker 1: for being on the show? You get to hang out

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Speaker 1: with Nate for thirty minutes? Ay, so waiting without father dude?

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Speaker 1: Let's go, man, Just in case you're catching up, just

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Speaker 1: the Star this afternoon with Jason Witten and O six o'clock.

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00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: So Kurt is a co event take it away? Well,

553
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 1: we've kind of hinted at it a couple of times.

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00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: But in your long career, how much have you seen

555
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,120
Speaker 1: the media change and has that been better or worse?

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00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: It's much Before you answer. Before you answer, let me

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Speaker 1: say this right here. I thank guys for him Brad College,

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Speaker 1: Tim College, y'all, Galloway, uh Black and Sharad. And the

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00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: reason I appreciate y'all because whenever you all came up

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00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: to us on they would they would not really ask

561
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: a question. They would be like, Okay, what do you

562
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: think about this? Because they had already done the research.

563
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: So when they asked you a question, you couldn't back

564
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: out of it. You just had to give you a side, right,

565
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: And that's the difference for me. Yeah, So they don't

566
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: they don't make them like guys. They don't make guys

567
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: like Nate anymore. And I mean that with a great

568
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: deal of respect that back in those days, guys are

569
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: honest with you. They weren't hanging out in the training

570
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 1: room trying to avoid you when you walked in the

571
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: locker room. If they didn't want to answer question, they

572
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 1: would just say, hey, man, you know I can't answer

573
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,720
Speaker 1: that question. That's too sensitive, or they would just talk

574
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: about it off the record. Now these guys now they're

575
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: making too much money, so I think it would happen

576
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Speaker 1: to me. Let me explain this to you. I think

577
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: the whole relationship between players and the media changed when

578
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: the players started making what they deserved now. But what

579
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean by that is, like in the eighties, before

580
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 1: free agency came about, it was really important for these

581
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 1: guys to present a positive image so that Nate can

582
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: go get an endorsement deal with a car company or

583
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: or Danny White can go pitch whatever. And the way

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Speaker 1: they presented a positive image was throw up us. So

585
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,959
Speaker 1: they wanted to cooperate. Am I right about that? Right?

586
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 1: So then once they started when I say too much money,

587
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying when they start making more money, and

588
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: they deserve every penny they get. Its short careers, they're

589
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: putting their bodies on the line every week. But instead

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00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: of making twenty thousand dollars a year as a base salary,

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00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: if they're making three million dollars a year, then getting

592
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 1: that fifty thousand dollars endorsement deal where it used to

593
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: be an additional twenty five percent of their salary, now

594
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 1: it just pays for a long weekend in Las Vegas.

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00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: So it's not as important to them anymore. So it's

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00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 1: they don't think twice about blowing you off when you

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Speaker 1: want to sit down to a long interview with them,

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00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: and they don't need the media as much. And now

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00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: they have Twitter, they get their own points of view

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00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: across They can do the players Tribune, Instagram, stories, Facebook,

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00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,040
Speaker 1: you name it, have their own podcasts. We used to

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00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: be the intermediary between the team and the public, but

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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: they've basically gotten rid of the middleman by controlling the

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00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: message themselves, and that has led to I don't think

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00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 1: the writing is as good today because there's not the

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00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: insight that you need from the players because they don't

607
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 1: want to cooperate as much. The whole game now is

608
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: not to be right. It's to be first, and if

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00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 1: you're wrong, people forget about it. If you're right, you know,

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00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 1: people say, oh, you know, this guy had it first.

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00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: But if you're wrong, it takes about two to three

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Speaker 1: minutes and people forget you were wrong. And it's just

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00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: the immediacy of the business has changed the standards of

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Speaker 1: the business and people just aren is concerned anymore about

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00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 1: their integrity and their credibility because it's more important to

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00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: try to be recognized as the one who breaks the story.

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00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: And I'm serious, you know, a couple of times they

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00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: came with me like when Nate, what do you think

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Speaker 1: acause I've been Anna did something? Wow, what are you?

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Speaker 1: And I couldn't even refute it because they don't been

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Speaker 1: a guy. They had sources and they and they'd be

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Speaker 1: working and they have to have them, you know, because

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Speaker 1: in nowadays, like he said, it was almost to the

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00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 1: point where people would sue you if you did it wrong,

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00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: and so the new so we had to put you

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Speaker 1: on the front page, and now they put you in

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Speaker 1: the back. Hey yeah, man, we got it wrong. Hey,

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Speaker 1: but you gotta you know, nobody cares because, like I say,

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Speaker 1: these phones, yeah get it, you know everybody. It do

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00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: really become I mean maybe not so much with sports

631
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: as other aspects, and we don't have to get into that,

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00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: but it's just really the media. Though there's still really

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00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 1: good journalists around the ones who really care, but there's

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00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: too many who don't care enough and they're very careless,

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00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 1: and it's just the standards aren't the same that So

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00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: that's my best way of describing how the media has

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00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: changed on all the years I've been in it. When

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Speaker 1: when I had a big story at the Morning News,

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640
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:44,560
Speaker 1: sure we would run it, and if it had any

641
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 1: legal aspect to it, they had to call the lawyers

642
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: into it. But now a lot of writers can just

643
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: file their stories themselves on their websites without anybody reading it. Yes,

644
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: and it's just it can be dangerous. What you're go

645
00:33:58,360 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: go back to the book a little bit. What's your

646
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: favorite story in the book that you can pull the

647
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: curtain back a little bit for people that kind of

648
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 1: want to know what a little bit more about what

649
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 1: the book's about. Yeah. Um, I think that the anecdote

650
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,320
Speaker 1: that I have in there that probably sums up the

651
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: last twenty five years of the Cowboys, because we all

652
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 1: know when Jimmy left how upset Troy was. Troy was

653
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: a big Jimmy guy, hated Switzer back to the days

654
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma when Troy broke his leg and he comes

655
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: back and they changed the offense and he transferred to Ula.

656
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: So then Barry becomes the coach of the team and

657
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: Troy's thinking of anybody but Switzer, right, So he's really

658
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: kind of bitter about that because he liked a discipline

659
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: of Jimmy and and really felt because that team was

660
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: so young and so good. What was your last year?

661
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: My last nine, seven, ninety Okay, so you lived through

662
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: all this. And Troy was just really upset because he

663
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 1: felt this team was capable winning four or five in

664
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: a row. And so he's sitting with Jimmy probably like

665
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 1: in the last five years or whatever, a lot of

666
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: years had passed, and the sitting having a beer together,

667
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: and Troy looks at him and he says, you know,

668
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: we could have been Brady and Belichick. Wow, and that

669
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: they would have been Brady and Belichick before Brady and

670
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 1: Belichick with Brady and Belichick. And he's right, because when

671
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: you think about it, Cowboys win in ninety two and

672
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: ninety three despite Switzer, they get to the MC Championship game.

673
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 1: The next year, would have won that game with Jimmy

674
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 1: because you never would have fell behind. I think it

675
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 1: was twenty one nothing in the first quarter or something

676
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: like that and nearly came back to win the game.

677
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: And then next and then the forty nine Ers killed

678
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: the Chargers in the Super Bowl, so you know, the

679
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: Cowboys would have done the same. And then the next year,

680
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: the Cowboys beat the Steelers, so that would have been

681
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: four in a row. Even though free agency had hit.

682
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: As good a coach as Jimmy was, he was even

683
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 1: better with the personnel, so he wouldn't replenish the personnel

684
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: as they were losing the Alvin Harper's and the noons.

685
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: You wasn't gonna last. No, I agree, Go ahead on

686
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: All I'm saying is that so Troy I don't think

687
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: to this day has gotten over Jimmy leaving because of

688
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: what they could have accomplished together. And Troy wasn't a

689
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 1: me guy, you know that. I mean, he was all

690
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 1: about the team and he's just thinking, this is a

691
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: team that could have been considered the greatest in NFL

692
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 1: history because they were young, and they were talented, and

693
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: they had a great coach who was a great personnel guy.

694
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: They had an owner who wasn't afraid to spend money,

695
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: they had tremendous fans support, and they had a cooking

696
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: And what they lost after Jimmy left was the discipline

697
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 1: that's necessary to sustain it, and they lost the personnel

698
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: guy who was necessary to sustain it as free agency hit.

699
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: So whereas Troy I think people would agree Troy is

700
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: not a good quarterback as Tom Brady. But Troy was

701
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: perfect for that Cowboy team because he had had Michael,

702
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: and he had Emmett, and he had other weapons, and

703
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: he had a great offensive line. And by this guy,

704
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: and you could have won a bunch. More felt this.

705
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: I feel he was wrong with the town Brady Troy

706
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: Atman deals Troy with Troy. Maybe I don't know even

707
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: about the intellect part. I want to get Brady a

708
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:13,479
Speaker 1: lot of it. But arm talent, man, Oh no, Troy something.

709
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 1: You know. I'm talking about arm talent, you know. And

710
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: so I think Jimmy would have because Jimmy he was

711
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: a little ahead of his time because he could see

712
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: when a player was declining and he would, you know,

713
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: he would be like, hey man, it's nothing personal, but

714
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: you gotta go. He was good at that. And uh man, yeah,

715
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: I agree with you. Man. I mean, but Tom Brady

716
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: is he demand, you know, And maybe Troy would have

717
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: been thought about, like he said, we could have been

718
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: Brady and Belichick if Troy had won four in a row. Now,

719
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: he never had the numbers that these quarterbacks are today

720
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: had because the game has changed, and he also had.

721
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: Brady's never had a great receiver and a great running

722
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: back at the same time. In fact, He's never really

723
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: had a great running back, and his best receiver was

724
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: Randy Moss and he only had him for a few

725
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: years and now grunk. So Troy was surrounded by more talent,

726
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: which led to a more balanced offense. The Cowboys offensive

727
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: line those days was much better than the offensive line

728
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 1: that Brady's had, But Troy might have. You know, if

729
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: Troy won four or five in a row, or just

730
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: four or five total, he might have been considered despite

731
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: the numbers not being there, he might have been considered

732
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 1: the greatest quarterback of all time because he's right. I mean,

733
00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 1: nobody could throw it like I'm telling His arm talent

734
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: was this is gared. This is what makes it so special, man.

735
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: Is the fact that you were right man as soon

736
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: as Jimmy Levitt took like a year, and the discipline

737
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: because I noticed it because I won the wild Guys,

738
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: So it was at that time I thought it was

739
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: till my favorite. As you look back, I wish you

740
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: would have stayed more distilal because he would tell Troy

741
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: would come in the room. You know, Truck had just

742
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: walked through, he could be out there laughing, but if

743
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: he was walking into a football atmosphere, his whole demeanor, Yeah,

744
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: he becomes straight, nothing but football. That's how Brady is. Yeah, yeah,

745
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: And you know, so Jimmy's reaction when when Troy said

746
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: to him, we could have been Brady and Belichick was

747
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: because Jimmy told me the story and I said, well,

748
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: what do you say when he said that, you know

749
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: he's right, and he goes, I wasn't phased by it.

750
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: He goes, the most important thing in my life is

751
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: to be happy, and I just wasn't happy. When I

752
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:29,399
Speaker 1: talked to Jerry about it, he admitted he's still bitter

753
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: about the way and ended, you know, Jimmy saying that

754
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: Jacksonville was an appealing situation, and then a bunch of

755
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 1: other things that happened. But he did admit to me

756
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 1: that he wished in those days he was more patient

757
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: and said that he's always been able to handle failure

758
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: better than success. And when the Cowboys were one in

759
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: fifteen and eighty nine, as you remember, you know well,

760
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: and then got a little better in the second year

761
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. The third year, Jerry said they handled

762
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: the first couple of years together much better than when

763
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: they won. Well, why because they were losing and everybody's saying,

764
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Jerry doesn't know what the heck he's doing, and Jimmy's

765
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: a college coach, so the criticism bonded them to it.

766
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: We'll show them. But then when they started winning, and

767
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 1: everybody's saying, well, Jimmy made the herschel Walker trade, Jimmy

768
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: traded up frem and Smith. Jimmy did this, and Jimmy

769
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: did that. What did Jerry do? Jerry turned around a

770
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: team that was losing a million dollars a month and

771
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 1: it's turned it into a very profitable enterprise. That wasn't

772
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: enough for Jerry. He wanted to be known as a

773
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,479
Speaker 1: football man, so there wasn't enough credit to go around.

774
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: And then when he wanted more credit, Jimmy started resenting him,

775
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,120
Speaker 1: and he got to the point where they don't know.

776
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: He didn't in his in him. He didn't let him in, right. Okay,

777
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: he didn't let that. That's much better way of saying it.

778
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 1: He didn't let him in, right. I remember that. I

779
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: remember some functions as I was at and they would

780
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 1: bring up mister Jones and Jimmy just would not let

781
00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 1: him in. He would just not let him in. See,

782
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, missus Jones don't want all the credit, but

783
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: he do want to be let in. Speaking speaking of

784
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: letting in, do you think Jimmy will ever be in

785
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor? Yeah, you know, I'll said I

786
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 1: want to. I just want to say one thing that

787
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: Michael told him. Irvin told me. He said, I just

788
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 1: wish that Jimmy would have let Jerry play with his

789
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: toy just a little bit. That's for real. Man let

790
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: him in, man, im he it's no mint of money,

791
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: Jerry ms Jones woulda gave him right. As far as

792
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor, it's pretty petty. I think that

793
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: Jimmy's not in the Ring of Honor because his contribution

794
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: here over five years was tremendous. Just think about he

795
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: won as many Super Bowls in five years as Landry

796
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: did in twenty nine. But my theory on it is

797
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: by Jerry letting Jimmy in, it validates Jimmy's contributions here,

798
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: and Jerry's just not ready to do that because he's

799
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: stole bitter about it. I just don't think it faces

800
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: Jimmy anymore. If you ask him what about the Ring

801
00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 1: of Honor? You know how he said, I don't care

802
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: about that. Just give me my hiding Kenna nachos. You

803
00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: know he doesn't even yeah right, yeah, um, so he

804
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: doesn't care about that. But I think eventually he just has,

805
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 1: he has to let him inut You know, I want

806
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: to tell you one of the thing, one of the

807
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: best anecdotes to have in the book is how Landry

808
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: got in the in the Ring of Honor. You know, Uh,

809
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: Jerry really liked Landry and it was Landry's accomplishments that

810
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: led him to buying the team. I mean, that's Landry

811
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: helped make an America's team, but Tom kept turning him

812
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: down a year after year because Tom was still very

813
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: upset about the way he was let go. So there's

814
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: a guy named Bill Parker who was the president of

815
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: the Kroger supermarket chain in the Dallas area, and that

816
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: was a mutual friend. Tom was very close to him,

817
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: and Jerry was very close to him. Jerry claims were

818
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: billboards around Dallas in nineteen ninety three that were making

819
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 1: fun of Landry for not accepting Jerry's invitation into the Ring.

820
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, because I was back

821
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: in New York at that point. So he asked Bill

822
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: Parker to set up a meeting with Landry, and Landry accepted.

823
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: They had a two hour luncheon at Bill Parker's house

824
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: and I and at the end of the meeting Tom

825
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 1: had agreed to go in the ring honor, and I

826
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: said to Jerry, I never heard that story. He goes,

827
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: I never told anybody but my family, and I said, well,

828
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: now you've told hopefully a couple hundred thousand people buy

829
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: my book. I'm gonna tell you something. It just you know,

830
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 1: you hear his stories, and you know, this is what's

831
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:34,240
Speaker 1: amazing to me. And so power from men when they ego,

832
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: when they eagle come in place, and and that is

833
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: what made Coach Johnson the great coach that he was,

834
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: and that was made mister Jones the great man that

835
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: he is, because once they make up and name mine

836
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: that they are right, it ain't no turning them back, man.

837
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: But it also works to their judgment because they're so

838
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 1: stubborn that they the ego that got him to them

839
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: where they are. It all so prevents them from maybe

840
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: seeing things clearly and making good long range decisions even

841
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 1: though it hurts them a little bit. Eager Wise, if

842
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 1: Jerry had just taken a step back, he could have realized, Okay,

843
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: Jimmy's not letting me in. It really ticks me off,

844
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: but we just won two super Bowls. Let's ride this

845
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: out as far as it can. We know Jimmy's not

846
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: here long term. And then when he leaves, you know,

847
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 1: the next I won't hire the next coach who shuts

848
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 1: me out. But that's a really hard thing for a

849
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: guy who who invested every penny he had, and then

850
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:39,439
Speaker 1: have a guy he hires basically saying, no, you stick

851
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: to your it's what you do, and let me do

852
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 1: what I do. That's that's a hard thing to do. Yeah,

853
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: because he's he said, coming in, I remember as Jones say,

854
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 1: you know, y'all may not you know, if he told

855
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:52,719
Speaker 1: me y'all may not feel comfortable, but I'm here from

856
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: the socks to that. I just laughed because he's like

857
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,399
Speaker 1: and and you may remember as he said, and uh,

858
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 1: I have tech text shram right here behind me. And

859
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: the way he put his hand up. Yeah, I said,

860
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 1: must a text won't be hill along? Yeah texts? Uh. Yeah,

861
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm like oh pictures Texas terrible. Yeah, he didn't didn't

862
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: have a place to sit. Missus Jones is more deceptive

863
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: that you think. You know one. That's funny thing because

864
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: you guys probably gotta go to a break. So the

865
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 1: next that weekend, that weekend, did you remember the mini

866
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: camp the old season program started? Yeah? Yeah, I think

867
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,919
Speaker 1: it was like two days later, the first real right, yeah,

868
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: so Tom has his goodbye press conference, his odd in

869
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 1: two weeks, you guys will forget about me. Jeff Frere,

870
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: who was so much smarter than he was a player. Yes,

871
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,479
Speaker 1: he was a good player. He was a much smarter

872
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: guy than he was a good football player. Great guy.

873
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: He's walking around the locker room singing the Beverly Hills Hillbillies,

874
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: Uh theme song. Everybody thought Jeff Clampett had just bought

875
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: the team, Yeah, the team. What happened is that JR.

876
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: Ewing bought the team? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I hap to

877
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 1: have been. I used that line in the book. Yeah,

878
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: and I heard you say it on the radio that

879
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 1: I've been repeating it. Let's say, you know, this is

880
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: what what what amazes me about this whole thing is,

881
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: and I'll keep saying it is the dudes was so

882
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: powerful in their own right. Yeah, they just could not

883
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: get past their power. They just couldn't get play. Jeff

884
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: Frog got cut pretty quick after that. It wasn't It's

885
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: kind of Jerry's always taking criticism criticism for this, but

886
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: it wasn't Landry. They were gonna get rid of him anyway,

887
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: weren't they. Well, you know, here, here's the thing. I

888
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 1: love living in Dallas, and I think the Cowboy fans

889
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: are great, but they're so hypocritical. Yes they are nineteen

890
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: ninety eight people calling Brad Shams show every night. Why

891
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: won't text fire him? The team was on the way

892
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: to be in three thirteen, three thirteen, we need a

893
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: new coach? Why won't text do it? Texting? He wanted

894
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: Tom to retire. He had actually tried to hire Jimmy

895
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 1: as the defensive coordinator and said you're my coach in waiting.

896
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 1: He tried that with Paul Hackett in eighty six and

897
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:20,040
Speaker 1: it didn't work. But Landry hated Hackett and Jimmy wasn't

898
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: leaving a program that was a powerhouse at Miami to

899
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: come being a defensive coordinator with a promise you'll be

900
00:47:25,880 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: a head coach when he was gonna leave Miami, he

901
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,360
Speaker 1: was gonna go be a head coach in the NFL.

902
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: So anyhow, all the fans wanted Landry gone. I remember it, man, right, wow.

903
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: And so six weeks after the eighty eighth season ends

904
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: and Tom is praying that Landry would retire. And Tom

905
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: comes out and says, I can't leave the team like

906
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 1: this if it takes two or three years, I'm going

907
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: to fix it. And Tram's going, oh my god. You

908
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 1: know it's not what he wanted. So Jerry comes in

909
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:57,360
Speaker 1: and buys the team and does what every fan wanted

910
00:47:57,600 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: to be done. They wanted Landry fired. They would have

911
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: rather he retired, but they wanted him gone. So he

912
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: did with I'd say eighty five percent of the fans

913
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:08,320
Speaker 1: wanted but because it was an outsider, because it was

914
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: a guy from Marker, so they never heard of. All

915
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Jerry was the devil and Tom became

916
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,280
Speaker 1: a martyr. I still contend to the day he passed away,

917
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,360
Speaker 1: and that was more than ten years later, that the

918
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: best thing that ever happened to Landry is that he

919
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: got fired the way he did. Because people didn't remember

920
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: three and thirteen. They didn't remember how the team fell

921
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:31,600
Speaker 1: apart during the strike year, they remembered he became a

922
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: sympathetic figure. The same people who wanted and fired were

923
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: among the one hundred thousand people a month later who

924
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:41,000
Speaker 1: showed up a roo for eight years, The same people

925
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: that he's the same people that hate it Tony Romo.

926
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,279
Speaker 1: Now that won't Tony Romo exactly. Let me say this

927
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 1: right quick, right, because you were here and this this

928
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: blew me away. And this is why I have This

929
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: is one of the many reason I have respect from

930
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: us the Jones. How bad was our city economic? Oh?

931
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,760
Speaker 1: It was? It was? It was that. That's why Bumbright

932
00:49:04,840 --> 00:49:08,720
Speaker 1: had to sell the team is because his banking business

933
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: was I don't remember the percentage of the team that

934
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,919
Speaker 1: was already in foreclosure that Jerry had to buy back

935
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: from the courthouse, and that if he didn't buy it quickly,

936
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: there was another percentage that was gonna go in foreclosure.

937
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: It was really bad. Jerry describes as like a bomb

938
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:29,920
Speaker 1: one off in Dallas. That um, the real estate market

939
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: was had gone in the toilet. The banking industry was terrible,

940
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: and so Jerry cobbled together every penny he can get

941
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,759
Speaker 1: to spend one hundred and fifty four million dollars on

942
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 1: the team, and you know it's worth five billion dollars now,

943
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: so it was a good investment. I'm gonna say, they

944
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 1: did a show up ESPN or somebody did a show,

945
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: and I was living in that time. I was young,

946
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,879
Speaker 1: you know, getting paid. But when they started showing how

947
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: bad Dallas as a whole, yeah, economically was I remember,

948
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, we were in bad shape. And I

949
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: remember they was talking about how the team was in

950
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: bad and I'm and I'm I'm a fan. I'm like

951
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys, the Dallas Cowboys. Yeah, you know because

952
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: as far as like the financial situation of the team itself,

953
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 1: Bright had nothing to do with the running of the team, right,

954
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: and text ran out like he was the owner, but

955
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 1: it wasn't his money, so he was never concerned about

956
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: the bottom line. Everything was first class for the Cowboys,

957
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,959
Speaker 1: you know, the price be damned. And then so Jerry

958
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: comes in, like I said, it was losing a million

959
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 1: dollars a month, when when you think about it, the

960
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: team was losing three hundred thousand dollars a day. Wow,

961
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:41,840
Speaker 1: that's crazy. And he had to figure out how to

962
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:46,439
Speaker 1: make this work really quickly while still stand a first

963
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: class organization, right that that was the perception that we had.

964
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: You know that if we had free agency back then,

965
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 1: we would have got all the top free agents. Now

966
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna get paid. But but we get you know,

967
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 1: I hope we gotta go. I hope this success. We

968
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,239
Speaker 1: gotta go because we got the players too. Yeah, we

969
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: gotta go. Yeah, you wan't to know how great this was.

970
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: We just blew off her entire second break. Yeah, we

971
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: got the whole Jerry money? What what? What? What? What

972
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: was it gonna talk about? So you can do a

973
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: quick hit. What was gonna tell him talking about tomorrow? No, No,

974
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the sponsor. Do we have a sponsor? Oh?

975
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 1: We could read it? Yeah quickly, man, we could read it. Yeah,

976
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:37,680
Speaker 1: I can find now we threw it away. We don't

977
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: have Okay, what is good at the restaurant here? Kurt?

978
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: Another underwear shop today at six? Yeah? Yeah, I hope

979
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: everybody comes out, Nana, I hope. You don't know how

980
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: long you're gonna be in the building, But man, I'll

981
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: be busy. But but I'm gonna tell you something. That's

982
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:52,759
Speaker 1: why when he came back the second setent because we're

983
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,440
Speaker 1: just gonna use you one but he can't. And that's

984
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 1: why I'm I'm all in because some of the stories

985
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna bring back tomorrow, you know, good in the

986
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 1: stories you didn't tell and stuff like because uh, when

987
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 1: you look at mister Jones, you look at Jimmy, and

988
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: I'm glad you are able to turn back the time

989
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: and give people true stories, you know, pieces of stories

990
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: out good. It leaves people bitter, you know, but when

991
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: the truth comes out, you may not like it, but

992
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: at least you're like, Okay, I can get past that. Yeah, Kurt,

993
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: doesn't this make you want to do a better job

994
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: every week? See how good this show was. If we

995
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: can have one good show a week by you just

996
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 1: requesting a guest, you know what? I hope this show did.

997
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: What makes people want to buy my book makes me

998
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:38,959
Speaker 1: want to buy it? Hell? Yeah, man, this was awesome. Gary,

999
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: thank you so much for Thanks Kurt, thanks for showing up, Yep, Nate,

1000
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 1: thanks for bringing it, Douglas, thanks for doing what you're doing. Kid.

1001
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 1: Thanks for pushing the buttons a fist bump. Gary Presley,

1002
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:55,399
Speaker 1: thanks for helping out. We will we're going to get

1003
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: some players. Yes, Chris Jones canceled on us. He's got

1004
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: something going on. But we will have Brett Maher. We'll

1005
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,120
Speaker 1: get to know the kicker. I don't know a whole

1006
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: lot about. I'm dedicated to the last kicker steal. So

1007
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 1: are you okay? Well, you can telling that whenever we're

1008
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: gonna unless you want to pay me. Okay, we'll work

1009
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: on that all right, guys, thanks for hanging for tuning in.

1010
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: We're having This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys

1011
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,560
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