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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live with Sean Morash and John Smelt.

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Speaker 2: You know what I saw you York Giant Pride on

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Speaker 4: Nobody beats town Fair Tire. Nobody Smelt Morash with you

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Speaker 4: right here on the fan. Hope you're enjoying the Giants

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Speaker 4: five week on this Big Move Kickoff Live Saturday morning.

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Speaker 4: So we thought we'd take a little bit of a

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Speaker 4: big picture of you. We heard from general manager Joe

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Speaker 4: Shane earlier this week. It was carried live on Wfan

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Speaker 4: on Monday morning, and Sean I thought this is a

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Speaker 4: good time to kind of take a look at where

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Speaker 4: the best moves would be to get this team over

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Speaker 4: the hump moving forward?

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Speaker 1: How you knowing?

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Speaker 2: Man, I'm doing great smelk. First of all, great spirits.

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Speaker 2: No matter what happens, our Giants cannot lose this weekend.

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Speaker 2: So that's number one, that's a good thing. And number two,

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Speaker 2: I think this is a perfect way to do this

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Speaker 2: And we know that football gets shoved out our throats

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Speaker 2: and you have to make business decisions with families. But

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Speaker 2: and what you know the foundation could be. It's also

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Speaker 2: a good weekend to watch all these bawl not the

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Speaker 2: bowl games, the conference championships. So last night and kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of fun last night that Oregon washing

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Speaker 4: the game. A lot of offensive players on both sides

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Speaker 4: Joe Shane first here, mirash to kind of set the

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Speaker 4: I can almost hear it from the media listening like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: What else do you want the guy to say?

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Speaker 4: Of course there's I mean, as Joe Shane said, him

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Speaker 1: It's going to be Daniel Jones. Now.

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Speaker 4: The most important thing he said is later on in

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Speaker 4: So what Joe Shane did, in my opinion in that

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to commit to you.

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Speaker 4: What I'm going to do on November twenty seventh or

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Speaker 4: Our options are over. We're not making that call now.

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Speaker 4: We don't know when we're picking. We don't know who's

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Speaker 4: we're gonna do. And that's basically where Joe Shane landed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Schmelk again, I'm purely a Giants fan on

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Speaker 1: It a long shuit have yeh.

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Speaker 2: Every year, how many smoke screens get thrown out, this, that,

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Speaker 4: I am not in vociferously. If you was listening on

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Speaker 4: general managers do, right. You spoke intelligently about how the

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Speaker 4: And as for the future, he basically said, look, we're

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Speaker 1: And we've heard him speak before he likes.

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Speaker 4: To focus on the premium positions, right whether it's offensive tackle,

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Speaker 1: Would have full confidence that he he's going to attack this.

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Speaker 4: And based on what he said Sean, I think he

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt about it. And it's just again it's refreshing,

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Speaker 1: That great point you know.

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Speaker 2: Sang flat out the guy needs to play better. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: Know what, it made me feel better because he also

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Speaker 4: Joe shape right, he was good, So they need to

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Speaker 1: And he basically gave the yeah, you know, not yet.

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Speaker 2: Again again Smelk, Hello, if you're an agent of an

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Speaker 2: want to reveal all your hats, right, hundred percent?

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Speaker 4: Morash offseason plan here. We gotta look at both sides

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Speaker 4: And the way I've defined this for the folks out

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Speaker 1: So let's start a defense show on let's each one

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Speaker 4: We'll go back and forth and we'll see where we end,

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Speaker 1: Ief you want to rate it. He's phenomenal, uh, excellent player.

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Speaker 4: You're not gonna find those tackle better than You're not

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Speaker 4: sign him to a big contract. So obviously number one,

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Speaker 4: Dexter Lawrence, who would be your next guy?

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Speaker 2: All right? So this is kind of a little bit

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Speaker 2: Heck yeah, heck yeah. I don't need to spend a

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Speaker 4: we're gonna play it.

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Speaker 1: What for MIKEL.

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Speaker 4: McFadden, No, you're gonna do that. But that's not a

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Speaker 1: So yes, I'm with.

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Speaker 2: You, shlk not to go beingo and go crazy on you,

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Speaker 2: and I love Fred Warner. I'm not even sure I

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Speaker 4: And a salary for one hundred percent, I'm with him exactly. No,

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Speaker 4: this Listen. Same thing for Deontay Banks, right. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm with you. You mentioned those two guys.

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Speaker 1: Because of that situation.

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Speaker 4: All Right, I will let you lead off on offense

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Speaker 4: Yes, one hundred percent, and he's the most important player

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Speaker 1: He's the player they can least afford to lose in.

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Speaker 4: He's the player they lost on the first drive of

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Speaker 2: Neither Shane acknowledged that too.

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Speaker 4: We asked, well, you know, you know, what, do you

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna put John Michael Schmidz in this mix, not

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that you hit a home run there.

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Speaker 2: I think there's enough there. I think that's it's pure

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Speaker 1: Trap starts getting tough. Now, by the way, starts getting tough.

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Speaker 2: Now. Jalen Hyatt is a full blown building block. He is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's on my list too.

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Speaker 4: Show and on the way I kind of put it,

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Speaker 4: So he's gonna be here. But and I want your

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Speaker 4: and you're convinced that Brock Bauers is the best player

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Speaker 2: It's so loaded because because by the way I consider

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Speaker 2: Waller is probably not gonna be here beyond you know,

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Speaker 2: next four. You you know what I mean, You get

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Speaker 2: that's a Hanshtagy Riot situation, right, I mean, geez uh,

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Speaker 1: No, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: We're forgetting one more.

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Speaker 1: I think one more obvious one.

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Speaker 2: Backup quarterback Tommy DeVito, baby like it.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: You're right, look, I think and look, we'll see, and

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Speaker 4: I think Tommy DeVito has secured himself that he can

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Speaker 1: And good for him, man, you know.

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Speaker 4: Once and you know what, you look back, Sean, and

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Speaker 4: I'm happy for him because if you're a good backup

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Speaker 2: Ten rookie quarterbacks have had to start this year. Yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: now he's one of them. The point is we are

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Speaker 2: Vito has played himself into enough of a role that

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Speaker 2: all that, I don't think you could sneak Tommy DeVito

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Speaker 1: No, great, great, great point, Shawn, I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: And obviously Saquon Barkley, he's an unrestricted for agent like mcay,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good enough to be your starter. Obviously he is.

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Speaker 4: He's one of the best running backs in the league.

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Speaker 4: But we'll slide him to the side. All right, let's

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Speaker 4: Guy we didn't mention on offense obviously is Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 2: So it really is a tricky thing, man, all Right.

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Speaker 4: So here's why I'm looking at this, Sean, and I'm

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Speaker 1: That's fine.

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Speaker 4: I'm just putting all my resources into the offense this offseason.

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Speaker 4: Like if my defense isn't very good next year, I'm

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Speaker 4: You've invested enough in side of the ball, whether it's

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Speaker 1: Right and yeah, be have a chance to be a

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Speaker 4: I'm not looking for top five, dude, Like be a

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Speaker 4: That's I need that. So I'm putting my resources into

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Speaker 4: I feel like the Giants will be spinning their wheels

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I want to make one thing clear right now,

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Speaker 2: the way, would I completely ignore the defense I still

436
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Speaker 2: need if you're not gonna bring a Dori Jackson back

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Speaker 2: to make sure I have another corner at that and

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Speaker 2: I still need another edge, and it doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: be an elite edge. Because you have that with Caveon Thibodau.

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Speaker 2: Because we have a lot of run stuffing guys on

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Speaker 2: the end, I need another pass rusher, especially olf situation.

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Speaker 2: That being said, look, if you want to close your

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Speaker 2: eyes and reals the offensive line has gotten better down

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Speaker 2: the stretch. I don't need it to be an elite unit.

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Speaker 2: I need it to be a functional unit. Right now

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Speaker 2: we are at the stage of a functional unit, but

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Speaker 2: it still needs to be better. So you cannot ignore

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Speaker 2: putting in the resources. You're right, you know, high and

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Speaker 2: Wandel If that means adding at the playmaker again, I'm

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Speaker 2: there and I come back to quarterback. Whatever you think

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Speaker 2: of Daniel Jones's fine. We don't need to argue whether

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Speaker 2: you think Daniel Jones is good or not. What I

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Speaker 2: do think, though, is don't ignore it. Like Joe Shane

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Speaker 2: said he would not because to me, above anything else,

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Speaker 2: what scares me to death. And I am a Danie

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Speaker 2: Zones defender. Two neck injuries in three years. Forget the

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Speaker 2: ACL for a second. I don't want to be in

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Speaker 2: a spot where I've put in all the resources and

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Speaker 2: in week three, unfortunately Daniel Jones takes a weird hit.

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Speaker 2: Next year, and he's out several weeks again with a

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Speaker 2: neck injury. That worries me. So just promise me this,

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Speaker 2: Joe Shane Brian. Then when you get in a room,

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Speaker 2: factor in all of that. Don't factor in contracts in

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Speaker 2: all of that. The offense. Look with the Cowboys and

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Speaker 2: Seahawks up and down the field on Thursday night, the

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Speaker 2: Giants getting those games with Dallas, and you know, once

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Speaker 2: they hit the twenty twenty one point threshold, they'd done.

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Speaker 2: They can't keep up in those games. I need them

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Speaker 2: to compete with Philly, with Dallas San Francisco, not on

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Speaker 2: the defensive level, on scoring points. And that's the way

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Speaker 2: you do it in the offense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And Joe Shane did say they would have to

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Speaker 4: address something with the quarterback position of this offseason, so

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Speaker 4: I think he's on the same page with that obviously.

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Speaker 4: And look, it does not have to be a first

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Speaker 4: round pick either. Look, I get that's where and I'm

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Speaker 4: of the believer where that's where most of the and

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Speaker 4: I think the evidence backs it up. If you're looking

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Speaker 4: for elite quarterbacks, can you find one like Dak Prescott

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Speaker 4: later on? Sure, it's really really hard, and it is

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Speaker 4: darn I'm not gonna say impossible, but it's close to it,

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Speaker 4: and you have.

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Speaker 1: To be very, very lucky.

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Speaker 2: By the way I did the research, Jalen Hurts is

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Speaker 2: like the exception as the second round pick too, by

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Speaker 2: the way to becoming an elite.

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Speaker 4: Quarter Yes, correct, so, but this is a deep quarterback class.

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Speaker 4: If you look at it in terms of number of

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Speaker 4: guys coming out. You know, there's a Michael Pennix that's

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Speaker 4: not gonna be a Day one pick. You know, JJ

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Speaker 4: McCarthy maybe he's not even gonna be what you know,

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Speaker 4: day one pick, depending on how it goes.

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Speaker 2: You can watch him at a PM tonight on Fox.

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Speaker 4: Both Yeah, and Bo Nick's another guy that's had a

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Speaker 4: really good year in college football. So you can find

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Speaker 4: quarterbacks later if you want to reinforce the room that way.

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Speaker 1: But look, Showan, I'm with you. You need to be

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Speaker 1: able to keep up with these teams that can score

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Speaker 1: points in the National Football League. It's just the way

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 4: And look, you already have left tackle, which is the

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Speaker 4: premium position that that's gonna wat you the most defined.

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Speaker 4: If you're gonna give Evan the old another shot a

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Speaker 4: right tackle, you can find quality guards in Day two

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Speaker 4: of the draft, in that second tier free agent signings

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Speaker 4: that are gonna help you solidify this line. And you know,

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Speaker 4: this is gonna be a historic deep class in terms

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Speaker 4: of wide receivers. You're probably gonna have six, seven, eight

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Speaker 4: go in the first round, you know, ten to twelve

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Speaker 4: going probably the first three rounds of this draft. Maybe

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Speaker 4: fifteen in the first three rounds, twelve in the first

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Speaker 4: two rounds. This is a deep wide receiver class, so

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Speaker 4: I don't mind throwing numbers at that problem.

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, get a couple more guys in there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and whoever emerges great play them. And you know Brian

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Speaker 1: Davi loves playing wide receivers.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of guy that doesn't want to play

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Speaker 4: eleven personnel and one, three, four wide receivers out there,

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Speaker 4: so you're gonna have opportunities. These are not positions where

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Speaker 4: you know it's impossible to find guys at these spots.

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Speaker 4: You can always find guards if you're wanting to spend

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Speaker 4: draft capital or money. And there's gonna be a ton

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Speaker 4: of wide receivers every year in the draft to reinforce

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Speaker 4: that position.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, the first year will long time

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Speaker 2: that wide receiver room didn't really get banged up for

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Speaker 2: the Giants. Remember they had all this depth. If somebody

528
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Speaker 2: would get hurt, just think about that. You know, Jayla

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Speaker 2: Hyatt Wan Dell ends up getting hurt for a few weeks.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't hurt with death the team. That's the problem, right,

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Speaker 2: The team needs to keep building up death. And if

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Speaker 2: you're a believer that the Giants are still in this

533
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Speaker 2: at four and eight and Shane acknowledge that they're not

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Speaker 2: out of it, the reason they are is because the

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Speaker 2: Giants are like all these other teams, the Vikers and

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Speaker 2: everybody else. They all have major flaws. I forget being

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Speaker 2: in it with all these peer teams. How do you

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Speaker 2: get to the point you're the Cowboys, the Eagles and

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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. Figure out a way where you

540
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Speaker 2: could score thirty points and walk into somebody's house at

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Speaker 2: any given turn.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And I just want to stress too. And you

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Speaker 4: said this before, Sean, in terms of talking about Shane

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Speaker 4: and the draft.

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Speaker 1: You draft players.

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Speaker 4: You don't draft positions, so you can't lock yourself into

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Speaker 4: I have to draft this position here, this position there,

548
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Speaker 4: because if.

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Speaker 1: The guy's not there, you can't pick them. That's how

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Speaker 1: you reach. That's how you make a bad pick. So yes,

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Speaker 1: to your point.

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Speaker 4: If there's a some awesome pass rusher with their first

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Speaker 4: second round pick that drops out of the first nd

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Speaker 4: would have a problem with it. No, but tiebreakers for

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Speaker 4: me when you're looking at at it this year, if

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Speaker 4: two guys are similarly graded, I'm gonna tie break to

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Speaker 4: the offense rather than the defense. And that's kind of

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Speaker 4: how I'm gonna look at it moving forward here eight

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Speaker 4: seven to seven three three seven, sixty six sixty six.

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Speaker 4: So squeeze in Chris in Massachusetts before we sign off. Here, Chris,

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Speaker 4: what's going on? Hey?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Fellas?

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Speaker 2: Hi?

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Speaker 5: You guys doing well?

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Speaker 1: Good man? What's up?

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Speaker 2: Chris?

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Speaker 4: Uh?

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Speaker 5: Big big time giants saying here living in enemy territories

569
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Speaker 5: for sixteen years. So I love what you guys do.

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Speaker 5: Great work, and I'm always following a couple of things.

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Speaker 5: How do you guys feel about Justin Fields? Third or

572
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Speaker 5: fourth round pick? Take Justin Fields, Dave Ball. If the

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Speaker 5: Bears take a quarterback at the first pick. Dave All

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Speaker 5: has proven he is one of the better offensive minds.

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Speaker 5: Look what he's doing with Tommy DeVito. You get him

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Speaker 5: Justin Fields. The dude has talent. We know there's a

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Speaker 5: lot of they're enough to Chicago. They're pretty much enough

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Speaker 5: to Chicago. And I think that's honestly a reason if

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Speaker 5: Caleb Williams, if the Bear, if the Panthers had the

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Speaker 5: first pick, I think I think that's the reason why

581
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Speaker 5: he's thinking about going back to school. But that that's

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Speaker 5: the whole conversation for another day. But what about Justin Fields?

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Speaker 5: You mold him, You got Brian day Ball. Say you

584
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Speaker 5: take Nevers from LSU at six, you guys were saying, fix, fix, fix,

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Speaker 5: fix the offensive line. This I really, I really like,

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Speaker 5: I really believe if it's justin Field, the dude has talent.

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Speaker 5: The dude has talent, give him, give him Brian day Ball.

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Speaker 5: What do you guys feel about justin Field third or

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Speaker 5: fourth round pick?

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Speaker 4: I'll just say real quick, I think if he plays

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Speaker 4: we all the rest of the year, it's gonna cost

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Speaker 4: more than a third or fourth round pick, because teams

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Speaker 4: need quarterbacks, and.

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Speaker 1: Two, you got to pay him soon. So that's where

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Speaker 1: it gets dicey with Fields.

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Speaker 2: If I'm replacing Jones, I'm getting a fresh contract to me,

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Speaker 2: and I'm not replacing with a guy that basically.

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Speaker 1: Is Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because I would really put those guys in the

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Speaker 4: same category at this point, right, young guys that have

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Speaker 4: shown flashes and have shown good things.

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Speaker 1: But if you're not there yet, you know ye? All right, Marash,

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Speaker 1: this is fun, buddy. Enjoy your bye week. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to stress out for Giants boefore you can actually

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Speaker 1: right the league this weekend.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. I'm gonna go to Salacottas and East

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Speaker 2: seventeen slices of Pizza.

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Speaker 1: Can't wait, where's my invite?

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Speaker 4: I gotta text sal I'm in Sona have fun.

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