1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: So in this moment, we must be crystal clear we 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: stand with Israel. We stand with Israel. We will make 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:14,920 Speaker 1: sure who has what it needs to take care of 4 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:20,319 Speaker 1: its citizens, defend itself and respond to this attack. There's 5 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: no justification for terrorists, there's no excuse. 6 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: On this episode of newts World, we're going to talk 7 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 2: about the attack by Hamas on Israel, about the larger 8 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: issue of war in the Middle East, and about the 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: West's inability to come to grips with reality. The fact 10 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: is that as Israelis were wrapping up the seven day 11 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: long Jewish festival of Sukota on Saturday, sirens ran out 12 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: across the country just before dawn, and citizens soon realized 13 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 2: it was not a false alarm. This is really important 14 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 2: because in this particular festival, most people had turned off 15 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 2: their cellphones. Most people were, in fact in a partying mood. 16 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: They had no connectivity to the danger of the world 17 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 2: around them. The fact was that a surprise attack, amazingly sophisticated, 18 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: was being launched by Hamas from the air, sea and ground. 19 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: They were using paragliders to come in over the walls. 20 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 2: They had bulldozers breaking through the walls, and they were 21 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 2: coming in through the tunnels and they launched an attack 22 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: by sea. The fact is hundreds of Hamas terrorists came 23 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 2: through and began just killing people randomly. And I personally 24 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 2: deeply object to the use of the word militant to 25 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: describe these people. These are terrorists, they're barbarians. They're people 26 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: who violate every civilized rule. They kill children. In one 27 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: case they killed forty babies, just horrifying. That's the setting 28 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 2: in which we have to understand what's going on. We 29 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: have here people prepared to do virtually anything, and their 30 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 2: goal was pretty straightforward. And I want to take a 31 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: minute to talk about this. It's one of the things 32 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 2: that is mind boggling about those people who are sympathetic 33 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: to Hamas. Hamas is very very clear about what it 34 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 2: stands for. Let me just share with you some direct 35 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 2: quotes from Hamas because I think it'll give you a 36 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: flavor of what Israel's up against. At a rally in Gaza, 37 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,839 Speaker 2: Hamas leader Sheikh Nizar Rayan said quote, we will continue 38 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 2: until the very last usurper is driven out of our land. 39 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 2: Now what does that mean? It means that every single 40 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: Jew would be gone. Hamas leader Mahud Zahar told Newsday, quote, 41 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 2: we do not recognize the Israeli enemy, nor his right 42 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:11,400 Speaker 2: to be our neighbor or to stay on the land, 43 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 2: nor his ownership of any inch of land. Think about 44 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 2: what that means. If you are an Israeli, it means 45 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 2: you have two futures, leave or die. Here's another example. 46 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:31,239 Speaker 2: Abdel Aziz Frantisi told Al Jazeera in the Jerusalem Post quote, 47 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 2: by God, we will not leave one Jew in Palestine. 48 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,600 Speaker 2: We will fight them with all the strength we have. 49 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 2: This is our land, not the Jews. Now, why am 50 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 2: I walking you through that? Because you can't negotiate with 51 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 2: somebody who denies you the right of existence. You can't 52 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 2: negotiate with somebody who says we can have peace as 53 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 2: soon as you leave, and that's what they mean. As 54 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: a historian, I just want to really be firm about this. 55 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: When people who are fanatics say things that seem extreme, 56 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 2: you need to understand they mean it. Hitler and Minecomf 57 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 2: describes things are horrifying. The only Western politician who actually 58 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,720 Speaker 2: read Minecomf was Winston Churchill, and once he read it, 59 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 2: he understood that this was an existential war of survival, 60 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:25,799 Speaker 2: that as long as Hitler was in power, they could 61 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: never function in any way except to defeat him. And 62 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 2: it was Churchill's frustration trying to explain to the British 63 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 2: people and the British politicians in the nineteen thirties because 64 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 2: in a democracy, we have a very high premium on 65 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 2: seeing people as reasonable, as someone we can work with, 66 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 2: as someone who we can negotiate with. So it's very, 67 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: very difficult to get across the nocean that you have 68 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 2: an implacable enemy who hates you, who intends to destroy you, 69 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 2: and who regards killing you, you slaughtering your children. It's 70 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 2: just wonderful opportunities. Who thinks that it's great fun to 71 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: take the naked body of a dead woman and drag 72 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: her through the streets while people spit on the body, 73 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: that that's just terrific. And it's hard for us to 74 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 2: appreciate because we don't want to come to grips with 75 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 2: the kind of people we're dealing with, because if we did, 76 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 2: we'd understand. You have to destroy them. You can't negotiate 77 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 2: with them, you can't sit around and have tea with them, 78 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 2: you can't reach temporary agreements in between slaughters. And that's 79 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: what we're up against. Well, they are also very clever. 80 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: I mean, look, they study us more than we study them. 81 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,599 Speaker 2: And they understood that the last day of Sukkote is 82 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 2: two additional holidays in Israel one day outside of Israel. 83 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:50,919 Speaker 2: It's actually two separate days. It's shamini Ats or test 84 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: and Simchot Torah. Now shamini ats arrest. Because all Jewish 85 00:05:56,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 2: holidays center around farming and agriculture, is the data y 86 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 2: for rain. More importantly, it is a yizkoor day, a 87 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,840 Speaker 2: day you remember and memorialize those who have passed on, 88 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 2: a time and effect for remembering your elders and remembering 89 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 2: your ancestors. Simshat Torah means joy of Torah. It celebrates 90 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 2: the end of the reading of the cycle of the Torah. 91 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 2: In Simshat Torah, you read the last chapter of Deuteronomy, 92 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 2: why Moses was not allowed into the land of Israel. 93 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 2: Sukot follows yam Kapor, the holiest day in the Jewish calendar. 94 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 2: Yam Kapor follows Rashashana, the Jewish New Year. Now people 95 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 2: talked about as being the fiftieth anniversary of the war 96 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: that began with yam Kapor and Interestingly, because of the 97 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: way the calendar works, Yam Kapor this year was actually 98 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 2: in September, but it was the fiftieth date from the attack, which, 99 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 2: by the way, was also picked on a religious holiday. Now, 100 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 2: why if you were the Arabs, would you pick a 101 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 2: religious holiday, Because the Israeli Army is an overwhelmingly citizen army. 102 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: The Israeli reserves are citizen reserves. If everybody is off celebrating, 103 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 2: being with their families, having a wonderful time, thinking religious thoughts, 104 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 2: turning off their cell phones, you have the best moment 105 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: for attacking them, because they are the most vulnerable. The 106 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: fact is that there were fewer troops on duty because 107 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 2: it was a Jewish holiday. It was the right moment. 108 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 2: You know, you can hate the people who are barbarians, 109 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: but you have to also respect that they worked at this. 110 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: They thought it through, and they tried to find the 111 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 2: optimum moment to kill the maximum number of Jews, and 112 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: that's what they set out to do. Now, the fact 113 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: is that this attack was very thoroughly planned and trained, 114 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: and I do want to say people knew it was 115 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: being planned and trained. In fact, we have an exact 116 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 2: quote in twenty eighteen One of the places I look 117 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: at is the Middle East Research Institute or MEMORY, and 118 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: in May of twenty eighteen, MEMORY wrote, hamas aims to 119 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 2: breach the border fence and murder civilians in Israeli communities 120 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: near Gaza. They actually have maps with directions to them. 121 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 2: So five years ago MEMORY was warning us of this 122 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: kind of an attack, An attack which if all you're 123 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 2: trying to do is kill people, is pretty easy to plan. Find, 124 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 2: for example, a musical festival, and ironically, tragically it was 125 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: a musical festival in favor of peace. You have hundreds 126 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 2: of young people there, They're not armed, they're happy, they're 127 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: enjoying life. And what a great target. If you want 128 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: to kill a lot of people, go to the kubutzas 129 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 2: that are again available. I think the most horrifying single 130 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 2: thing that I've seen so far. I am size so 131 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 2: far because were not done finding out all the evil things. 132 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: But the most horrified was the particular kibbutz about a 133 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: mile and a half from Gaza, in which forty babies 134 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 2: were killed, a number of them apparently beheaded. I talked 135 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 2: earlier today with Kevin McCarthy, who had led a congressional 136 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 2: delegation to Israel and had actually been at that kibbutz, 137 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:28,360 Speaker 2: had seen the children, understood the risks they were taking, 138 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 2: the hope that they had, their desire for a better future. 139 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: It's a shattering moment. And what we're discovering is that 140 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 2: the people that came across the wall, some of them 141 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 2: using paragliders to literally go over the wall, others following 142 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: bulldozers that broke through the wall. They didn't have to 143 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 2: fight soldiers, they didn't have to fight police. Their job 144 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 2: was just to go kill people. And so everywhere they 145 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 2: went they killed people, and they began kidnapping people. This 146 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 2: is really extraordinary. So Hamas was doing a couple things 147 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: at once. They were killing randomly as many people as 148 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: they could. They were taking hostages. There are some horrifying 149 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: pictures of various hostages. They were taking trophies, human trophies, 150 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 2: taking them back, literally dragging them through the streets, and 151 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 2: there are scenes of younger people spitting on the bodies 152 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 2: of dead Israelis. Presumably Israelis, they were also in this process. 153 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 2: We think they probably killed one Nepalese, I think thirteen 154 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: or fourteen, people from Thailand, people from Germany, people from Canada, 155 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: people from the United States. There are a lot of 156 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: different folks in Israel other than just Israelis. Now the 157 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 2: fact is, and I think one of the most horrifying things, 158 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 2: other than the babies, was a grandmother who had survived 159 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 2: the Holocaust and what has now been kidnapped by Hamas. 160 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 2: Can you imagine starting your life dealing with the Nazis 161 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: and the Holocaust, living your life, having had to cope 162 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: with that psychologically, and then seeing late in your life 163 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,119 Speaker 2: all of it coming back in the form of Hamas 164 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 2: and in many ways the new Nazis in their desire 165 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:18,680 Speaker 2: to wipe out Jews. There are fourteen Americans among the casualties, 166 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 2: but the fact is over one thousand people have been 167 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: killed by Hamas in a deliberate act of mass murder. Now, 168 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: it's important to remember the Israel is a very small country. 169 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:34,199 Speaker 2: A thousand people would be approximately twenty six or twenty 170 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 2: seven thousand Americans. Can you imagine if we had given 171 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 2: the way we reacted to nine to eleven, which was 172 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: total thirty one hundred Americans and others. Can you imagine 173 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: how we would be reacting today if people had come 174 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 2: in and killed twenty six thousand Americans, and so that's 175 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 2: a major major challenge for US. I think it's important 176 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 2: to understand, and also that in a way, the rhythm 177 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: of the campaign over the last ten years put Israel 178 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: off balance. What's happened is they've gotten involved in a 179 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 2: rocket game. AMAS fires a rocket. Israel has spent an 180 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: enormous amount of money with American help and a good 181 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 2: bit of American money on what's called the Iron Dome. 182 00:12:20,880 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 2: The Iron Dome is a very very sophisticated anti missile 183 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: system in which a computer tracks the missile determines in 184 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,440 Speaker 2: real time where it's going to land. If it's going 185 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 2: to hit an empty field, it ignores it. Only if 186 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: it's going to hit where people are will they use 187 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 2: up one of their defensive weapons to hit the Hamas missile. Well. 188 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: On Saturday, when the attack occurred, AMAS fired hundreds of missiles, 189 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: and they were pretty smart. They first fired really dumb 190 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:56,240 Speaker 2: missiles in huge numbers, both overwhelming the Iron Dome by 191 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: just sheer volume and using up the Iron Dome against 192 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 2: the least dangerous missiles, making it easier then to use 193 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: their more sophisticated missiles to try to hit places like 194 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 2: Tel Aviv, and remember onlike the Western world's emphasis on 195 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: minimizing civilian casualties. They don't care as Tel Aviv's a 196 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: big city. As long as their missile hits somewhere in 197 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 2: Tel Aviv, they're probably going to kill somebody. So from 198 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: their standpoint, they don't need highly precise weapons. They just 199 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: need weapons that will hit a particular general area. Now, 200 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 2: I think that it's very important to say to yourself 201 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: if you're faced with an enemy who openly says they 202 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: want to kill you, who openly says not a single 203 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 2: Jew will remain, who is prepared to kill women and children, 204 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:55,719 Speaker 2: who's prepared to behead babies, who is prepared to seize hostages, 205 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: what do you do about it? And this is where 206 00:13:58,400 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 2: I think I disagree with virtually all of modern Western 207 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: intellectual thought, which is based on the idea that somehow 208 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 2: we can talk this out. Here's the problem with Western 209 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 2: intellectual leadership. They believe in a rational world, they believe 210 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 2: in reasonable negotiations, They believe everything can be talked out. 211 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 2: But in fact, there are times and places when that's 212 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 2: not true. There are times and places when you encounter 213 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: an opponent who has to be defeated because they're not 214 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: going to negotiate. In the American system, one of those 215 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:55,480 Speaker 2: times was the Civil War. It was very clear by 216 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 2: the spring of eighteen sixty two that the South was 217 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 2: not going to give in, that the South genuinely was 218 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: afraid of the future, believed that slavery could only be 219 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 2: saved by secession, and was prepared to break up the 220 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 2: Union in order to save slavery. At the same time, 221 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 2: it was very clear to Lincoln that he had to 222 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 2: win the war or in fact, the Union would end. 223 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: And in his mind, if the Union ended, then the 224 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 2: whole notion of self government, of the ability of normal 225 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 2: everyday people too solved their own problems, would be taken 226 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 2: away and they would end up in a situation where 227 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 2: freedom would have shrunk dramatically and would be moving back 228 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: towards monarchies and kingships. So Lincoln had to win. The 229 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 2: South had to win, and the answer was not going 230 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 2: to be sitting down and chatting. The answer was going 231 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:47,040 Speaker 2: to be one side of the other literally engaging in 232 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 2: total war until the side the lost simply physically couldn't 233 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: do anything more. And that was in fact exactly what happened. 234 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: Lincoln through Generals Grant and Sherman, aablished that they were 235 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: going to break the capacity of the South to wage war. 236 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: There's a great quote from Grant who says that he 237 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 2: wants General Sheridan to go into the Shenandoah Valley and 238 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 2: destroy the valley's ability to provide food to the Confederate army. 239 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 2: As Grant said, quote, eat out Virginia clean and clear, 240 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: so that crows flying over it for the balance of 241 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: the season will have to carry their own provender with them. 242 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 2: Sherman's entire marsh through Georgia and the Carolinas was aimed 243 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 2: at destroying the capacity of the South to resist, to 244 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: literally get to a point where people said, all right, 245 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: I hate it. I would never voluntarily do this, but 246 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 2: I have no choice. Well, we went through the same 247 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: thing in World War two. What had happened was in 248 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: World War One, which was a horrible war, an enormous 249 00:16:52,720 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: shock to the entire West, huge casualties. In the end, 250 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 2: a negotiated settlement with Germany allowed the German to tell 251 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 2: themselves they hadn't really been defeated, and they came up 252 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: with a theory that they had been stabbed in the 253 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 2: back by the bankers, by the Communists, by the Jews, 254 00:17:09,440 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: by somebody, and so you ended up with Hitler, and 255 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 2: you ended up with a Second World War. Going into 256 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: the Second World War, the Allies, particularly Roosevelt and Churchill, 257 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 2: looked at Nazism, fascism, and Japanese imperialism and they said, 258 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: we are going to break their capacity to ever do 259 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: this again, and they waged total war, literally, and the 260 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 2: result was by the end of it they had begun 261 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 2: to collapse their capacity to fight, and people began to 262 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 2: realize that we have no choice. We're surrendering because we 263 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 2: have in fact been defeated. And in the case of Germany, 264 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: where there was a particular emphasis on getting rid of 265 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 2: the Nazis, the year after the war we arrested four 266 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 2: hundred thousand people and we went through a process of 267 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: denocification because we were determined that we were not going 268 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: to have an other cycle of crazed fanatics. And of course, 269 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 2: as we discovered more about the Holocaust and the murder 270 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: of Jews, and the murder of polls, and the murder 271 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: of Gypsies, the murder of people who were mentally defective, 272 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: it was astonishing how unbelievably murderous the Nazis were, and 273 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,679 Speaker 2: so we felt that it was totally legitimate. Well, I 274 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 2: would argue that we have exactly the same problem today 275 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:27,119 Speaker 2: with Hamas and with the Iranian dictatorship. They're both really clear. 276 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: I mean, when all the elected officials in the Iranian 277 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: government chant death to America and death to Israel, what 278 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 2: do you think they're saying. As a historian, I'm pretty 279 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 2: clear what they're saying. They're saying death to Israel and 280 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: death to America. I mean, how goofy do you have 281 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: to be to tell yourself, Oh Gie, I wonder what 282 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 2: that signal means. It doesn't mean anything except death to 283 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:52,439 Speaker 2: America and death Israel. And then you find out that 284 00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: they pay for the weapons, they pay for the training. 285 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: It's really goofy. I mean, we have these strange votes where, 286 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: for example, Secretary Blincoln says on CNN's State of the 287 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:08,360 Speaker 2: Union on October eighth, and I want you to listen 288 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 2: to this carefully because it's so stupid. Quote. There's a 289 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: long relationship between Iran and Hamas. In fact, Hamas wouldn't 290 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: be around in the way that it is without the 291 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 2: support that it's received from Iran. Over the years. In 292 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,679 Speaker 2: this specific instance, we have not yet seen evidence that 293 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 2: Iran directed or was behind this particular attack, but there's 294 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 2: certainly a long relationship. Well, I mean, how stupid do 295 00:19:34,119 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 2: you have to be to serve as Secretary of State 296 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 2: for Joe Biden. We know how close they are, we 297 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 2: know how the training was done, we know that the 298 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 2: Iranians are constantly working with them, and we know that 299 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 2: if Iran had not set go, they wouldn't have gone. 300 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 2: So you can't get away from this. And of course 301 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 2: this is an administration which right this minute could be 302 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: freezing the six billion dollars that are wants to give 303 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 2: the Iranians because that money is sitting in gutter in 304 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 2: a bank has not been released, and so they could 305 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: take it back, which would be a direct blow to Iran. 306 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 2: But you have this whole concept that somehow, you know, 307 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 2: the Iranians are really okay, that they may talk a 308 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: little rough, They may be the leading financer of terrorism 309 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 2: on the planet. They may be arming Hamas and has 310 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 2: Below is the terrorist group on the northern front of Israel, 311 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,159 Speaker 2: you know, But after all, we have to find ways 312 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 2: to work together. This is a position that was taken 313 00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 2: by Obama. Biden has picked it up. The same people 314 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 2: who are selling us out to Iran under Obama are 315 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 2: selling us out to Iran under Biden. It's just mind knowing. 316 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it makes you really wonder where they're coming 317 00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: from and what they're doing. And by the way, we 318 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: now have a serious FBI investigation of the chief negotiator 319 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: with Iran because it turns out that there's a very 320 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: high likelihood he was a paid Iranian spy. I think 321 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 2: about that. The Biden administration's primary advisor on a was 322 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 2: in fact working for the Iranian dictatorship. That's how sick 323 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 2: this whole system has gone. So, having said all that, 324 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 2: what should the Israelis do? And I have to tell 325 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: you them, I'm a little concerned here. I spent a 326 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 2: lot of time looking at this. I first began really 327 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 2: looking seriously at the Israeli Middle Eastern situation during the 328 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 2: nineteen sixty seven war, and I've studied a lot since then. 329 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 2: I've been in An Israel a number of times. I 330 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,840 Speaker 2: know bib Netnyahu reasonably well. I would just say to you, 331 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 2: the assignment is to defeat Hamas and then destroy it. 332 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 2: And by that I mean that the Israelis have to 333 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 2: not just go in, not just do some bombing, you know, 334 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:46,160 Speaker 2: they have to go in and root out all of Hamas. 335 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 2: They have to take every single person they can identify 336 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 2: as an agent of Hamas and lock them up. They 337 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: have to be prepared to create a vacuum in Gaza 338 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 2: and then fill the vacuum with Gaza leaders who are 339 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 2: prepared work with Israel, not necessarily to like Israel, but 340 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: to tolerate that Israel exists. And they have to make 341 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: the case that if we can live in peace, then 342 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: you will be dramatically wealthier. I mean, Gaz is extraordinarily 343 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 2: poor right now because it's both been isolated by Israel 344 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,000 Speaker 2: and most of the aid money which has been given 345 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: to it Hamas has taken and used to put into 346 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 2: fighting wars. So the average I think income in Gaz 347 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 2: is around thirteen hundred dollars a year. In Lebanon, for example, 348 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: the average is about thirty nine hundred. It wouldn't take 349 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 2: much to have Gaza be dramatically better off than it 350 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: is right now. But to do that, you've got to 351 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 2: get rid of Hamas, which is why I think you 352 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:45,239 Speaker 2: first defeat them, and then you methodically destroy them, and 353 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: you recognize that there's not going to be peace in 354 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: the region as long as Hamas is there. And my 355 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: fear is that Israel, both because it doesn't want to 356 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,120 Speaker 2: get its troops into an urban environment where they will 357 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 2: take casualties, and because the world will presently get tired 358 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 2: of watching the Israelis kill people in Goza and watching 359 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 2: Israels blow down buildings, that the pressure will come at 360 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: some point to go back to negotiating. Now, remember this 361 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,160 Speaker 2: is a region which the Biden administration misunderstands so thoroughly 362 00:23:16,680 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: that just a week ago, Biden's National Security advisor Jake 363 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 2: Sullivan said, quote, the Middle East region is quieter today 364 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 2: than it has been in two decades. Well, that certainly 365 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 2: blew up in his face. And the fact is that 366 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: the region is dangerous. The number one job of the 367 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 2: US and the short run is to convince Hesbalah, which 368 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,479 Speaker 2: is the force that's in Lebanon, not to attack Israel. 369 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: Our number two job is to be in laying out 370 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: a strategy for we're going after Iran, because the Iranians 371 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: are the key to all of this and we need 372 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 2: to recognize it. If the Iranians finished getting nucro weapons. 373 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 2: The world is going to become dramatically more dangerous, so 374 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 2: the time to actually get involved, in the time to 375 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,880 Speaker 2: do something about Iran is the very very near future. 376 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 2: I would also say that we need to back up 377 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,760 Speaker 2: the Israelis, provide them whatever equipment they need, encourage them 378 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: to go into Gaza in a methodical way to take 379 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: apart and destroy the entire structure of Hamas to such 380 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,439 Speaker 2: a degree that they will be in a position to 381 00:24:22,560 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 2: help create an alternative government not of people who love Israel, 382 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 2: but of people who are willing to tolerate living next 383 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 2: to Israel and who are willing to operate in an 384 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 2: environment where they know that the Israelis in fact will 385 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 2: not attack them, and they won't attack the Israelis. And 386 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: as a part of that, there should be an opportunity 387 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 2: for them to have a dramatic increase in their income. 388 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 2: And if that could be done, you would find yourself, 389 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 2: I think, in just a much better world, in a 390 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: position where people would be able to live side by side, 391 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: create opportunities, and find themselves. I think in a much 392 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:08,159 Speaker 2: stronger position in terms of the quality of life. This, 393 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 2: by the way, has already happened to some extent on 394 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: the West Bank. The West Bank has a higher standard 395 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 2: of living, people generally speaking, are better off. And I 396 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 2: think in that kind of context that you could have 397 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: that same kind of experience if you are dealing directly 398 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 2: and head on with people other than Hamas. But if 399 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: Hamas is allowed to survive, if there's any kind of 400 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 2: agreement that has Hamas surviving, the fact is that we 401 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 2: will find ourselves once again within a very few years 402 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,959 Speaker 2: into another cycle of this. And remember, they're getting smarter, 403 00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:48,199 Speaker 2: they're getting more practiced, they're thinking it through, they have 404 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,520 Speaker 2: lots of resources from the Iranians, and so the next 405 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: attack may be even more horrifying than the current attack. 406 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: That's what we're up against. This is a horrifying period. 407 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 2: In order to solve it, we have to be prepared 408 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,160 Speaker 2: to go after the people who prove that they're barbarians, 409 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,159 Speaker 2: who've proven that they will kill women and children, proven 410 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:11,959 Speaker 2: that they will do things that are so far beyond 411 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: civilized rules that they can't then hide and protect and 412 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 2: ask for civilization to deal with them as though they 413 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: were normal, reasonable people. I am very, very concerned that 414 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: we have an opportunity right now to do something that 415 00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 2: will be I think very very helpful, and that is 416 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 2: to the United States. First of all, the Congress should 417 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:56,840 Speaker 2: pass a resolution that the defeat and destruction of Hamas 418 00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 2: is the American strategic goal in helping the Israelis. President 419 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: Biden should send B twos over South Lebanon and communicate 420 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 2: clearly to the people in Hesbalah that if they start 421 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,480 Speaker 2: any kind of a fight that the United States will 422 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:17,160 Speaker 2: use its capacity. We have over eight hundred Tomahawk missiles 423 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,280 Speaker 2: in the Carrier Battlegroup offshore in the Eastern Mediterranean. We 424 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 2: have a huge capacity with our B twos, and we 425 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:28,680 Speaker 2: could in fact destroy Hesbelah and southern Lebanon and return 426 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: Lebanon to the control of the people from Lebanon, who 427 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: don't particularly like Hesbella anyway, because Hesblah is in fact 428 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 2: a puppet of Iran. I think we also have to 429 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 2: be communicating to the Iranians that they will suffer very 430 00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,960 Speaker 2: substantial costs for this kind of effort to support, sponsor 431 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: and train people to commit acts of terror, and I 432 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 2: think that has to be real. It has to be 433 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 2: something that they feel and that they know that the 434 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: cost of them is going to keep going up under 435 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: any circumstance. I mean, this is sort of what I 436 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 2: think we're up against. So let me encourage you to 437 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: pay real attention, to talk to your members of the 438 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 2: House and Senate, and to communicate that this is a 439 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 2: time to take seriously the promise of people who say 440 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: not a single Jew will survive. And this is a 441 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 2: time to remember vividly the babies that were killed, the 442 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 2: women that were raped and killed, the people who are 443 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 2: drugg through the streets naked while people spit on them, 444 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 2: the entire towns where people were slaughtered, the kids who 445 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 2: were out there at that music festival having a great 446 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 2: time a dance, by the way, on behalf of peace, 447 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 2: which is the final, grand tragic irony. Don't forget them. 448 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: Insist that we fix the problem by getting rid of 449 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:45,600 Speaker 2: the people who did this and making sure that folks 450 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 2: around the world learn the terrorism not only does not pay, 451 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:56,479 Speaker 2: it guarantees you will cease to exist. Thank you for listening. 452 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 2: Newt's World is produced by Gingler three sixty and iHeartMedia. 453 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: Our executive producer is Guernsey Sloan and our researcher is 454 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 2: Rachel Peterson. The artwork for the show was created by 455 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,719 Speaker 2: Steve Penley. 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