1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: What are you learning about the cham coach. Uh, he's 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,720 Speaker 1: a hard worker, you know, he's very coachable and he 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: wants to do well. So he's doing a great job. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: He's out working every single day and uh, you know, 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 1: I look forward to good things from him. What are 6 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: some of the similarities from a punt returning to the 7 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 1: kick returner? Is there's some cross over there or what 8 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,240 Speaker 1: are you specifically looking for when you're trying to separate 9 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: the two. Yeah, you know, obviously the tracking of the 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: ball is a little different, you know, because the ball 11 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,720 Speaker 1: comes off the foot differently, but you always want the 12 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: same characteristic speed, toughness, change direction, all of that stuff. Um, 13 00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, it takes a different body type do kickoff return. 14 00:00:36,840 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: You want to bigger stir your guy back there. Uh 15 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: in a perfect situation. But you know, as a punt returner, 16 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta be fearless, you gotta be elusive, 17 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: you know, and you gotta make good decisions, you know, 18 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: And that's that's the things you look for when it 19 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: comes to those those qualities you want to return. Wait 20 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: when you um, um, you guys brought in you know 21 00:00:57,920 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 1: one more on the punt turns. Um he has a 22 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: body of work from from Cleveland. You know, maybe he 23 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: didn't do as well in his third year in his 24 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: first year. How much do you study that? And um, 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: you know, do you kind of try and reinvent him 26 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: a little bit because you know one team left him behind. 27 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: Now you pick him up. You know you left the 28 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: guy behind you had here for a while. I mean 29 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: you know you kind of rework him a little bit 30 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: to get him when you want it. You know, the 31 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 1: one thing you gotta understand what you're dealing with young 32 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,640 Speaker 1: players because there's a process, Like, there's a process involved 33 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: and you have to be able to have patience and 34 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: work through the process. He's here because he has talent. 35 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: Most young players are here in this league because they 36 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: have talent. Most young players that come into this league, 37 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 1: they're not tear it up when they first walk in. 38 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: There's a learning curve, there's a maturation process. So throughout 39 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 1: that maturation process, you have to be able to find 40 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: what he does well, Uh, learn how he ticks, and 41 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: then after you figure that thing, that thing out as 42 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 1: a coach, then you work from there. And he's he's 43 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: fixed some things. We've we've kind of identified some things 44 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: that he needed to work on and he's worked on 45 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: he's been doing well. Hammer is a great nickname, but 46 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: is it is it accurate? You know? What I mean? 47 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: Is he need to be maybe less of a hammer 48 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: at times, but you know he hammers the ball he does. 49 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: I mean it kind of fits. But uh, his hang 50 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: the distance needed to be improved, and uh that's something 51 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: that he's been working on and he's improving on. So 52 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 1: you know, you want to make sure that the hang 53 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: the distance is well to hang is relative to the distance. 54 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: So you know, I'll kick the coverage and he's marked 55 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: on that a lot. He's done a really good job. 56 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: So we'll figure it out, you know as we go along. 57 00:02:36,120 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: His first games coming up, so we'll go from there. 58 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: Analytics for that like five second hang time or yeah, 59 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:47,920 Speaker 1: that's the you know we always want, like say, for example, 60 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: if you kick the ball forty yards at least four 61 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: oh hang time, kicking forty five yards you want four 62 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 1: or five hang time. You know, if you kick a 63 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: fifty yards you want five little hang time in a 64 00:02:56,320 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 1: perfect world, you know. So that that's something that we've used, 65 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: especially TAMS coaches over the years, just using that hang 66 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: the distance ratio relative to the point you've obviously been 67 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 1: here for you know a number of years, but it 68 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: didn't anything change now it was a new head coaching, 69 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: Like does he just leave it to you? More like, 70 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 1: how did things change for you because you've been here? Uh, 71 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: you know, Dave's trust me, you know, and it's been 72 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: really good. Um, kind of going back to how it 73 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: was before with me and Beleve. We're here and uh, 74 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: it's it's been really good. Uh, it's it's been fun 75 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: because we've got a new group of guys. You know, 76 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: there was a lot of turnover. So now you're trying 77 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: to you know, start back to square one and get 78 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: them to understand how important this third phase is and 79 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 1: uh and how it affects the game. I'm sure do 80 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: you have someone in mind that you would like them 81 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: to be your primary punt return? You guys really haven't 82 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: settled down a punt return, I feel like for several 83 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: years now. I mean it's like I'll talk about the 84 00:03:54,800 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: whole time you coach with you got you know what 85 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: I mean, like whoever shows up, who's ever out there? 86 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: So we got you know, and uh, there's a bunch 87 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 1: of guys back there working at it. We gotta we 88 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: have a lot of options. And this first time in 89 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: a while that we've had as many guys on the 90 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: roster that can catch punts. You know, they've they've done 91 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: a really good job of I'll say this, Our guys 92 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: have done a good job of working over the years, 93 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:24,080 Speaker 1: the guys that we got into c J boards, the 94 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: Darius Layton's is you know, all of those guys, Katie's 95 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: all those guys catching punts and now we have, uh, 96 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of options back there. We've got 97 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: six or seven guys that can catch punts and they 98 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: do it well. You know, you're like working with Kim 99 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: Kim Brown. What how hard is it in this the 100 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: NFL these days to carve out a career for yourself 101 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 1: playing only special teams. Yeah, it's it's it's difficult, but 102 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,039 Speaker 1: it could be done. Uh. I don't think Cam is 103 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: just a special team's only player. I think uh. And 104 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure I don't speak for Wink, but I'm sure 105 00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: there are some things that that he does well that 106 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: they can use defensively. And again, you know, I said 107 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: this a while back with him, I think his his 108 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,839 Speaker 1: ceiling is so high and he's so athletic you can find, 109 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: you can find things for him to do, and he's 110 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: just a really good football player. And again he's a 111 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: young player. You know, the maturation process of young players 112 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: coming through this league. You know, you see him grow 113 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 1: up on special teams and they take those steps and 114 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: all of a sudden in the fourth or fifth year, 115 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: they take off. And I've seen it happen a lot, 116 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: So it happens. He's he's on his way, and uh, 117 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:37,919 Speaker 1: he's a good specialist player in the process. You know, 118 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: even going back to your days as an assistant, when 119 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 1: you have that guy or that you know, that high 120 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: draft pick that's on specialist for a year, you know 121 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have him. I think at JPP when 122 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: you used to talk about when he's just like, um, 123 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: is there any part of you that allows you to 124 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: think what would happen if Thibodeau were in your core teams? 125 00:05:56,600 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 1: What he could be? You know, it's those that that 126 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: situation between JPP and Katie is different because if you 127 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:07,919 Speaker 1: look at the depth of the defensive line that we 128 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: had back then, you know, you had you know, Mathias 129 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: and Tuck and Thomas, and you had so many guys 130 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, there's there's no reason for us not to 131 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: use JPP and because he needs to get on the fielding, 132 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: he needed to play, and uh, but this situation is 133 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: a little different, you know, with our pastorate situation. So 134 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: you know, obviously you got to be smart and how 135 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: you handle it, and he's gonna have some roles, but 136 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, we'll figure that as we go along. I know, 137 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 1: the game this week doesn't count the standings, but you're 138 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: playing a team and a coach that is steeped in 139 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: special teams knowledge. And have you studied Belichick over the 140 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: years and seeing what is unique to him and what 141 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: his team does. Well, you know, I study all the coaches, 142 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: you know. We we literally keep a file on every 143 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: special team's coordinator you know, around the league. And his 144 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: teams are always disciplined. His teams they always play fast 145 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: because other details that they prepare with and uh, you know, 146 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: going in you can't have to deal with Slater and 147 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: and you know all the rest of the guys over there, 148 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: you know, and those guys have been there for a 149 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: long time. Uh, and their well coached came does a 150 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: hell of a job over there with those guys, and uh, 151 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 1: you know they grew up steeped in special teams, so 152 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: they're always one of the top ten special teams units 153 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: in the league, and that's that's not gonna change.