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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news.

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Speaker 2: I'm Hannah Elliott and I'm Matt Miller. This is Hot

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Speaker 2: Pursuit coming up today. It is a special episode that

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Speaker 2: we have been teasing four weeks. We've heard you, we

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Speaker 2: have heard, We've got the emails. Everyone agrees we need

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Speaker 2: to do a very special Porsche special and we have

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Speaker 2: I think two of the best guests we could possibly

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Speaker 2: have found.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have someone who's close to me, Magnus Walker.

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Speaker 1: Happened to be married to him, that's the disclaimer.

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Speaker 2: And I happened to be a lifelong fan, well at

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Speaker 2: least for over a decade and watching Magnus's content and

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Speaker 2: listening to what he says. And I have recently discovered

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Speaker 2: a Porsche expert, Nathan Mertz, who owns a dealership and

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Speaker 2: is also the chair of Appraisals. Is that rights chair

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Speaker 2: at the Portrait Club of America.

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Speaker 3: That's fairly close Valuations and appraisals, Absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Valuations and appraisals. So Nathan Mertz a lot of heap.

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Speaker 2: You are going to know him from YouTube and Magnus Walker.

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Speaker 2: We talk about you, Magnus every day, probably much appreciation,

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Speaker 2: or every week that we record this and what I

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Speaker 2: wanted to do in Hannah, tell you, tell me what

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Speaker 2: you wanted to do also, But what I wanted to

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Speaker 2: do is just get the take of these two guys

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Speaker 2: who know Porsche nine to elevens inside and out and

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Speaker 2: have been buying and selling, and working on and modifying

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Speaker 2: and driving most importantly these cars for decades. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to get their take on whether or not I should

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Speaker 2: buy a classic air cooled Porsche. If so, which one,

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Speaker 2: or if I should just get one of the new

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Speaker 2: ones try and find it with three pedals, obviously, but

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Speaker 2: what was your what was your thought?

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Speaker 1: My thought was, finally we can get to the bottom

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Speaker 1: of this, because we've all been listening to you, Matt

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Speaker 1: go on and on and on about like nine ninety

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Speaker 1: seven dot one versus dot two, and like, finally we

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Speaker 1: can have some clarity. And I think with this panel

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Speaker 1: of guests we might get a bit of a point counterpoint,

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Speaker 1: because it seems like from what you've told me about Nathan,

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Speaker 1: he comes from and Nathan, obviously you can speak for yourself,

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Speaker 1: but might come from a different side of the spectrum

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Speaker 1: in the Porsche world. So I'm very curious to hear

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Speaker 1: voices from all sides, shall we say, to help Matt

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Speaker 1: really in your quest.

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Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see which side of the spectrums

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Speaker 2: they come from. I don't know how that's gonna work out.

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Speaker 2: But Magnus, not everyone. I think everyone knows who you

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Speaker 2: are and what you do and how you've become you.

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Speaker 2: But I could be wrong. So do you have a

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Speaker 2: like a short little origin story?

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Speaker 4: Sure? You know I got short versions, you know, short version.

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Speaker 4: I'm just a man with a bed. I'm a Porsche enthusiast.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a specialist at all. I like to drive,

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Speaker 4: I like to build, I like to collect. I like

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Speaker 4: variety of cause. You know, I fell in love with

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Speaker 4: Porsche when I was ten years old, and that was

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Speaker 4: back in the seventies, and let it to Porsche and

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Speaker 4: said I wanted to design calls from it. They wrote

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Speaker 4: me a letter back, and here I am, almost fifty

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Speaker 4: years later, still in love with the brand Porsche and

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Speaker 4: the Porsche experience and cars in general and the whole community.

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Speaker 4: You know, I joke that we all speak Porsche. You know,

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Speaker 4: it is a language that brings like minded car enthusiasts together,

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Speaker 4: and you know, that's kind of what I'm passionate about.

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Speaker 2: Really, I feel like you guys are actually on the

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Speaker 2: same side of the street here except for Nathan. By

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Speaker 2: the way, can you tell us Nathan your origin story?

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Speaker 2: Because you have been trading Porsches I gather for a

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Speaker 2: long time and you, I think, own a dealership. Plus

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Speaker 2: you do these YouTube like Porsche expertise videos. So what's

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Speaker 2: the what's how do you get into it and what's

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Speaker 2: your deal?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I mean probably like a lot of you know, car people,

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Speaker 3: you know, I just popped out just with a passion

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Speaker 3: it was probably a good thing they didn't have a

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Speaker 3: Osburger's diagnosis. When I was a kid in the seventies,

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Speaker 3: wanted to talk to anyone who had a car, and

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Speaker 3: I could tell them every detail about their car. I

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Speaker 3: read every magazine I could get my hands on, every

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Speaker 3: always around cars. Cars were kind of my thing, and

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Speaker 3: so I bought my first Volkswagen when I was thirteen

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Speaker 3: on that how to make money selling that I used

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Speaker 3: to write. I'd basically buy them out of the classifieds,

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Speaker 3: out of the newspaper. Back when people would try to

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Speaker 3: get a you know, they had an inexpensive car, so

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Speaker 3: you used to have to buy it by the word Matt.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you're old enough remember that, but

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Speaker 3: you'd have to buy that classified ad by the amount

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Speaker 3: of words there.

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Speaker 2: Sadly I'm old enough, yes, okay.

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Speaker 3: So people would have something like, you know, it would

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Speaker 3: and I would think, well, that's no way to sell something.

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Speaker 3: And so the thirteen year old me would take my

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Speaker 3: investment was a Polaroid camera. And I would take my

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Speaker 3: write my fifty words of ad copy and the old

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Speaker 3: Auto Creator magazine, and I would take my three hudred

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Speaker 3: for said car. And so I did that all through

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Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen, fifteen years old, translated that into a job

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Speaker 3: eventually at a Porscha dealer when I got my driver's

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Speaker 3: license and then bought my first nine to eleven, which

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Speaker 3: was a seventy five. I think magnets can't identify with

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Speaker 3: this storymine. It was not a great car. It was

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Speaker 3: a It was a Base nine eleven, which they didn't

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Speaker 3: even have in the US. I was a rest of

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Speaker 3: world originally a German market or derogatory at that time,

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Speaker 3: five Base nine eleven with rusty doors and broken headsteads.

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Speaker 3: And I bought that car for sixty five hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not the world's best mechanic, but I was broke,

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Speaker 3: and so I translated what I thought I knew about

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Speaker 3: working on Volkswa against the working on Porsches. And of

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Speaker 3: how to work on the cars. And I've had horses

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Speaker 3: in my life ever since, so that's kind of my

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Speaker 2: I guess, Nathan, I know that you sometimes focus on

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Speaker 2: making sure everything is like period correct, and I guess

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Speaker 2: with appraisals and valuations, that's part of it, right. So

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Speaker 2: whereas I think of Magnus as an outlaw, I guess

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Speaker 2: you would be like.

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Speaker 4: The in law.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was going to say the cops.

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Speaker 4: Everyone's let's put it that way.

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Speaker 2: How do you? How do you think of it? Nathan?

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Speaker 3: You know, actually, what's interesting is one of the things

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Speaker 3: I actually somewhat hate is the fact with my title,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people think that first and foremost, all

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Speaker 3: I care about is the values of the cars. I'm

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Speaker 3: an expert on the values, but I could care less

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Speaker 3: about the value as little sense as that makes. And

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Speaker 3: the same thing with my content. I'll make a video

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Speaker 3: showing what the cars once were because I want to

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Speaker 3: give someone a reference standard. That's not to state that

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Speaker 3: that's necessarily what I think they should own, nor do

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Speaker 3: I necessarily think or is that necessarily what's in my

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Speaker 3: own garage. So if you come to my own garage,

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Speaker 3: I do have some reference standard cars, but I also

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Speaker 3: own many cars that are one hundred percent built and

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Speaker 3: used and driven to my taste, regardless of whether someone

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Speaker 3: else wants that. So that's the hard part with making

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Speaker 3: content around what's correct, as people assume I'm making a

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Speaker 3: value judgment that they should have that it's basically just

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Speaker 3: telling what it once was as a reference.

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Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. So I think we've

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Speaker 1: got some topics that we want to discuss, and Matt is.

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Speaker 2: The first one.

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Speaker 1: We just want to ask each of you guys what

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Speaker 1: your favorite Portia is or what you think the best

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Speaker 1: Porsche is. If you're just going to have one, Matt, maybe.

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Speaker 2: Yes, no, no, I agree, like just give.

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Speaker 1: It, like if there's one that you're gonna have.

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Speaker 2: And I want to I want to avoid like if

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Speaker 2: we're sticking in the nine to eleven realm, and I

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Speaker 2: know that obviously. I think Magnus you had, you know,

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Speaker 2: some Dodge muscle cars when you started getting into shore wheels,

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Speaker 2: and Nathan, I know you have like I think you

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Speaker 2: have like a nine to twenty eight or maybe a

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Speaker 2: this inside nine to eleven, but otherwise I don't care so,

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Speaker 2: and I know that you probably will love all your

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Speaker 2: children equally. But like, if you had a Desert Island

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Speaker 2: nine to eleven, if you could pick Nathan will start

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Speaker 2: with you one generation that you if it was the

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Speaker 2: only one you could have. Is there a choice?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely? There is, so you know, so no one con

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Speaker 3: gives me hate. I do have at least one of

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Speaker 3: every generation in nine to eleven built with that said, yeah,

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Speaker 3: if I could only have one, my primary love. I

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Speaker 3: like the nineteen seventy and seventy one cars. Those are

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Speaker 3: kind of my peak cars. In fact, I have a

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Speaker 3: video out there called driving Early nine to eleven's I think,

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Speaker 3: and there's a white kind of a hot rod seventy

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Speaker 3: many years. If I could only have one car, that's

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Speaker 3: the car that's staying in my garage.

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Speaker 2: What about you, magnus, Well, how BIG's the Desert Island?

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Speaker 4: Where is it? Is it flat? Is it hilly? You know?

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Speaker 4: Can you get off it? Or are you stuck on it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's there is no for me. One car

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Speaker 4: fits all, you know, there is no best of for me.

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Speaker 4: It's like stepping back in time. You know, we all

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Speaker 4: know the nine to eleven debut in sixty four. You know,

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Speaker 4: it's been around over sixty years, is eight generations of it.

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Speaker 4: They all do the same thing differently. Ironically, the car

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Speaker 4: that when I get asked this question not so much

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Speaker 4: what's the best, but which one am I keeping out

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Speaker 4: of my garage, he's always car number two seven seven,

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Speaker 4: which ironically is in nineteen seventy one nine to eleven

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Speaker 4: T which is being modified. So that is the keeper car.

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Speaker 4: But that's not necessarily the most practical car or the

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Speaker 4: best car.

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Speaker 2: But you both pick the same one and the same year.

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, two seven seven is a special car for me.

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Speaker 4: I acquired that at the Pomona Swap meeting nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 4: so that car now is fifty five years old, and

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Speaker 4: by my math, I've owned it twenty seven almost twenty

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Speaker 4: eight years, so I've owned it for over half its life.

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Speaker 4: And that's the one I'm most sort of connected to.

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Speaker 4: It's the favorite pair of old shoes, broken in jeans.

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Speaker 4: It's got character, sold patina, and everything that I love

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Speaker 4: When people say to me, hey, well, so you know

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Speaker 4: it's the first time Porsche on his syndrome looking to

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Speaker 4: things I wanted to experience before they became trendy valuable

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Speaker 4: But what I see today is things like ST's right,

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Speaker 2: I don't even look. I don't certainly don't click the

431
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Speaker 2: star icon because it's a different class of people.

432
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Speaker 1: And let's take a pause and that can be our

433
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Speaker 1: next topic. Yeah, let's let's break, because I'm getting the

434
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Speaker 1: producer saying, oh, just get put a pin in that,

435
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 1: because I think actually Nathan probably will have some interesting

436
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,760
Speaker 1: insights to about how prices have changed, and I know

437
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Speaker 1: our listeners want to hear about also the investment side

438
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Speaker 1: of it. So let's go to a break, and then

439
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Speaker 1: next up we'll talk about that. This is hot pursuit.

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Speaker 2: Nathan. I know you walk people, you know, clients through

441
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 2: all different levels of you know, budget, But I've noticed

442
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 2: when I look across the spectrum of what's available if

443
00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,960
Speaker 2: I want a good driver, that I don't need to instantly.

444
00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,919
Speaker 2: Do you know, twenty or thirty thousand dollars worth of

445
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 2: work on the nine ninety seven is my best entry

446
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,680
Speaker 2: point and as long as there's no ims or bores

447
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: scoring problems. At least as far as I've read on

448
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 2: the internet, it seems like the nine nine to seven

449
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 2: point one is the best deal. What do you think

450
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 2: about that?

451
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 3: Oh, best deal?

452
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 2: Let's say most affordable, most affordable.

453
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 3: I was actually I'm going to push back and go

454
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,639
Speaker 3: nine nine to six. If we're going to go most affordable, bingo,

455
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:16,359
Speaker 3: first water, Maybe the nine ninety seven might be a

456
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,000
Speaker 3: sweet spot. How about that good point?

457
00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:21,239
Speaker 1: Why do you say that, Nathan, tell us, tell us

458
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 1: more about your sweet spot.

459
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's hit the sweet spot.

460
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, So, I mean a couple of things, you know.

461
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,800
Speaker 3: So then I'm a big fan of the nine ninety six.

462
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: I like, I like early nine nine sixes. I believe

463
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 3: Mangus had an arrow kit early nine nine SAgs I

464
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 3: do as well. I really enjoy that car. And you know,

465
00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 3: I like the purity of that originalism, and I like

466
00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 3: the controversy around it. I like the fact that it

467
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 3: feels a little bit more to kin to my early experience,

468
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: a little bit getting giving a finger to the por Shapiris,

469
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 3: if you will. And since the nine one, sixth and

470
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,280
Speaker 3: nine nine seven are built on the same platform. From

471
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: a driving experience standpoint, they're going to deliver a very,

472
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 3: very or feel, so predominantly what you're getting with the

473
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,840
Speaker 3: nine ninety seven is a different esthetic in terms of

474
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: exterior and interior. And if call me crazy, when the

475
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 3: nineine seven debuted in two thousand and five, I admit

476
00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: I was a nine one three owner at the time.

477
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 3: I thought, oh, of course I got this right, and

478
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 3: I was very, very excited about the car. Now in

479
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six, when I look back, I actually think

480
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,240
Speaker 3: the nine ninety six is aging better. I think the

481
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 3: design language of the nine ninety six is actually more

482
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,879
Speaker 3: pure to the original sixty four nine to eleven, and

483
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 3: it's unadorned, its slab sited, whereas the nine ninety seven.

484
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,680
Speaker 3: It's a little bit plays in my mind a little

485
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: bit like when volks I can release the new Beetle

486
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,400
Speaker 3: in ninety eight, like they were so desperate that is painful.

487
00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:50,480
Speaker 3: Watched the ninety six. They drew inspiration from the past.

488
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:53,640
Speaker 3: So probably an offense of nine ninety seven owners there,

489
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 3: and I own a nine nine seven, So it's not

490
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 3: that I'm a hater.

491
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Speaker 2: I just.

492
00:23:57,680 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 3: I don't think they're worth the premium in the market

493
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 3: versus nine oin't six for an entry little buyer.

494
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't be able to get up with the headlights.

495
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 2: I cannot ye hold on, listen, there's so much plastic

496
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 2: on the front of that car.

497
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 3: Because the show now.

498
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 2: The headlights are like the size of Texas. Each one.

499
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 2: It's two Texas is right on the hood too much.

500
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 4: Here you go. We all like fried eggs, right. You know,

501
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 4: whether you take them over easy, you take him scrambled.

502
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,399
Speaker 4: I mean. The nine ninety six was my first water

503
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: cooled nine to eleven and I bought a two thousand

504
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 4: and four nine nine six GT three ten years ago

505
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,479
Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen. I was late to the water cooled party.

506
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 4: I didn't really care too much about being in the

507
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 4: GT three owners club, but this kind of fell into

508
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 4: my lap. It was close to my buddy's shot works

509
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,159
Speaker 4: up in San Jose, and that was when I joked

510
00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 4: about my garage got its first water leak. There was

511
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 4: a leak in the roof and water came into the garage,

512
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: and it came in in a format of a nine

513
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 4: six dot two GT three, which to me is a

514
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 4: special special car. And if you really want a really

515
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 4: really special GT three. It's a nine ninety six Dot

516
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 4: two GT three RS or a nine ninety six Dot

517
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: one GT three, which unfortunately the US market never got.

518
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 4: And probably five years ago I was chasing a Dot

519
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 4: one GT three in Europe. Whether it was super.

520
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: Affordable Canada, I don't through.

521
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: I was trying to sneak one in through you know,

522
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 4: South America and bringing it in through the dr And

523
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 4: I really really really wanted a Dot one because for me,

524
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 4: I like the beginning of everything. Like I owned a

525
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 4: sixty four nine eleven. I had to have it was

526
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 4: the birth of nine to eleven. I had to have

527
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 4: a seventy five turbo, which Porschona made two hundred and

528
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: eighty four of them. I ended up with two of

529
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 4: them left hand drive, right and drive. So I like

530
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: the beginning of every generation. And without a question of

531
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 4: a doubt, I'm so bored to death with people talking

532
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 4: about Frida egg likes and boars scoring and ims bearings,

533
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 4: and I don't care about any of that stuff. When

534
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 4: you're driving at nine nine, you don't see the headlights

535
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 4: first of all.

536
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Speaker 2: So, by the way, can I just say that's one

537
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 2: of my problems with it because I want to have

538
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 2: that gun rail fender. I want to be able to

539
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 2: see the two wings at the end of the hood.

540
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 2: And if I'm not mistaken, the nine nine six was

541
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: the first time you no longer could. Although I don't

542
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 2: like how the nine nine to three makes them a

543
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: little bit too. I want them to be proud, you know.

544
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting because I own a Gen one and

545
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 4: Gen two. That was I ended up in that arrow

546
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 4: kick car as I couldn't find a Gen one GT three,

547
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: so I ended up with an erowkick car C two,

548
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 4: and then a GT two and a GT three. And

549
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 4: when you part Gen one Gen two next to each other,

550
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 4: and just look at the headlights. Gen one headlights now

551
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 4: twenty five plus years later look better than Gen two headlights.

552
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 4: And no one ever mentions that headlight when it's on

553
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 4: a GT one, right, the holy grail car. No one

554
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 4: ever talks about the ugly headlight from a nine ninety

555
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,479
Speaker 4: six if it's on a GT one. So for me,

556
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 4: the nine nine six still is affordable entry level.

557
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,959
Speaker 1: Well that was my question five years. Are they affordable?

558
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,439
Speaker 1: Actually they're obtainable, Yes, what price are we talking?

559
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 4: Well, Nathan's right here, I think thirty grand.

560
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 1: Gets you into you can get one for thirty grand.

561
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 4: You get one in the twenties.

562
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 3: What do you think, Nathan, Yeah, I mean probably for

563
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 3: a coop, you're gonna want to budget, you know, on

564
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: the low side. Thirty I mean you can get him cheap.

565
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: You know, forty is going to get you an amazing car,

566
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 3: twenty five Edgy, so it starts with a three. It's

567
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: probably a decent car in a coop format.

568
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 2: I still I can't deal with like the hazing, like

569
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: the hazing of the headlights that are that old, because

570
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 2: there's so much plastic. I just I get you're worrying.

571
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 4: About the wrong thing here. You know, what you really

572
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 4: needed to get was a nine nine to six Turbo

573
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 4: five years ago, when these were in the thirties. That

574
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,240
Speaker 4: was the deal.

575
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,159
Speaker 2: Nobody tell us you got one. But I still won't

576
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 2: drive it, even if Ted does you know, even if

577
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 2: he has it shipped to stot or wherever he lives.

578
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 4: You know, ninety six Turbo to me is is the car.

579
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 4: I mean, I've got the GT two version two will drive.

580
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: Also, don't need any GTS. I just need a Carrera

581
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: S Franklin. I Also, I always like the end of something,

582
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: because that means the engineers have worked every single kink

583
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:25,439
Speaker 2: out of it. So like that's why is probably the

584
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 2: best I mean affordable car out there for someone like

585
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: me who doesn't want to spend one hundred grand, like

586
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: I could get one still for in the Nathan, correct

587
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 2: me if I'm wrong eighties or nineties plus it's got

588
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 2: the nine A one motor, so it's gonna last forever.

589
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 2: And even if Magnus doesn't care about boor scoring and

590
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 2: doing ims work, I don't want to drop that money

591
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: at demand here in New Jersey. Even if I could

592
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 2: have my engine board out to four leaders, You'll.

593
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: Be driving you pick up truck in your Holly anyway,

594
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: so it won't matter.

595
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 2: What do you think about that whole Uh? What do

596
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 2: you think about the whole issue with the mechanical problems, Nathan?

597
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,800
Speaker 3: You know, I think the reality is if you're if

598
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: mechanical concern I always tell people, you know what, what's

599
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,400
Speaker 3: your tolerance for risk? And that's one of the leading

600
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: questions I'll give someone because their tolerance of risk will

601
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: guide where I direct them. And so someone who has

602
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: a zero or a near zero tolerance for risk, I

603
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 3: just advise them this is not the brand for them.

604
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 3: You know, if you're a zero tolerance for risk person,

605
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: they make something called a Toyota, the fabulous products right

606
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 3: doesn't have the passion of Porsche, but it has zero

607
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: risk profile. And so every Porsche you buy is going

608
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 3: to have some risks, some generations more so than others.

609
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: But I think it's a little bit foolish when people say, well,

610
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy, for example, a nine ninety seven two

611
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: because I have low tolerance to risk, and I say, well,

612
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: first off, don't let it be telling you otherwise nine

613
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: A one motors can boor score, so throw that out

614
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: of the window. Yes they don't have ims failure, but

615
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 3: certainly they have other things that crop up. And at

616
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 3: the end of the day, the newest nine nine seven

617
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: second generation is now a fifteen year old European car.

618
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 3: So let's not kid ourselves that it's going to be

619
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 3: a low risk proposition. So whichever car you enter into,

620
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 3: you know, drives love and experience it, and part of

621
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: the experience is one day it's going to piss you

622
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 3: off and cost you money.

623
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: I mean I got to push back against that a

624
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: little bit because I had my nine to nine to

625
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: one for ten years, and it has never had any

626
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: kind of mechanical problem. Like the only thing I've ever

627
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: had it in the shop for is oil changes in

628
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:37,000
Speaker 2: the tires. And it just has been the most unbreakable

629
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: vehicle I've ever owned, including you know, Ford trucks and

630
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 2: Mercedes Benz, you know. I mean, I've had issues with

631
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: everything else except for the nine to eleven. Maybe I

632
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 2: just got lucky, but it seems to me that they're

633
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: so well made that it differentiates at least the new

634
00:30:55,640 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 2: cars from I have never had a Toyota, but from

635
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: other American and European cars.

636
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you got to realize, Okay, what years your

637
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 3: ninety one twenty thirteen? Okay, so if you had for

638
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: ten years, you've had since it was two years old.

639
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 3: So the risk profile on a two to ten year

640
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: old car is very different than it is on a

641
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty five year old car. So things fail

642
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 3: even on will engineered product just for time if nothing

643
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 3: else right, fair?

644
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: Fair. I Also I gravitate towards the M ninety seven

645
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: motor anyway because and I don't know this because I

646
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 2: haven't driven them back to back, but I hear, and

647
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: it makes me want it more. I hear that it's

648
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: more like mechanically pure, that the intake sound is better.

649
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 2: And what do you think about that idea? Like, if

650
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: you are going to pick between one generation or the other,

651
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 2: and you had a high risk tolerance and you didn't

652
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: mind doing any of the work you needed to do,

653
00:31:55,560 --> 00:32:00,120
Speaker 2: which would you choose? Magnus he's never had I had

654
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: a nine ninety seven, which is weird. By the way.

655
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: Let me ask why is that?

656
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: Why is that? Why is well?

657
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 4: You know that was when I was looking for the

658
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 4: nine ninety seven, when I stumbled into the nine nine

659
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 4: one turbos. You know, it was just for me. You know,

660
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 4: I haven't lusted after a nine ninety seven, you know,

661
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 4: unless I just haven't lusted after them. You know, I've

662
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: never owned a new car. It's not something that's really

663
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: high up on my wish list. It was ticking a

664
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: box of owning one of every generation. Yeah, you know,

665
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 4: I don't have to own them to experience them. That's

666
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: what I call opp other people's porsches, where you get

667
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 4: to drive them without necessarily owning them. But if it

668
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 4: was a choice between a nine ninety six and a

669
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 4: nine ninety seven. To me, I'm taking the nine ninety

670
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 4: six just because it's the beginning of the water cooled

671
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 4: era of portion nine elevens. You know, it's more historical,

672
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 4: it's more character, it's more soul, it's it's definitive. The

673
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 4: nine ninety seven just came after. It's the next one.

674
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 4: It's the follow up. It's not as unique. It's not

675
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: going to go down in history. I don't care about

676
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 4: these things that you're talking about. It's relevant to me

677
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,920
Speaker 4: because it's not the only car that I have. Nine

678
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 4: nine sevens don't seem special. Nine niney sixers, fried eggs

679
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 4: all day long, ims, bearings, bring it on. It's unique.

680
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 4: It defined the modern era of Porsche. I'm not a

681
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 4: nine nine three fan.

682
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:16,479
Speaker 2: You know.

683
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 4: It's the last era of air called. You know, I

684
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,959
Speaker 4: own one, you know, in me, I call the nine

685
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 4: nine three in stock form, not that it needs to

686
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 4: be stocked, but it's the Cadillac of nine to elevens.

687
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 4: It's lazy.

688
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: He doesn't mean that as a compliment, by the way.

689
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's like the Cadillac of minivans and

690
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 4: gets shorty when you know. Travalta says to Devido when

691
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 4: they pull up the restaurant and he goes, he's in

692
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 4: the minivan, and he goes, it's a Cadillac of minivans.

693
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,200
Speaker 4: So you know, to me in the nine ninety three,

694
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 4: to some purists, it's the last of the air cold

695
00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: I don't care. You know, it's same with the nine

696
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: ninety six. It was like twenty years ago, nobody cared

697
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 4: about nine niney sixes.

698
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 2: I will say for Hannah, you know what I'm gonna say,

699
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: Frank Stephen Wallacer, Yes, who has developed all GT cars

700
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 2: you love so much?

701
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: This is then't had a Bentley for anybody listening.

702
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 2: He I asked him, uh, what he thought about me

703
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: getting a nine six four, because I did, and I

704
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 2: still kind of think, well, I don't know, I think

705
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: that I don't think that would be wrong, might be

706
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: a good, good said, He essentially said, and I'm paraphrasing,

707
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: so I don't yell at me for misquoting. But he

708
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: apparently or he essentially said, uh, all of those other

709
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: air cooled Porschas are like trash. Only the nine to

710
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: nine to three is what you want because it handles

711
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 2: like a real sports car.

712
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: Just to be clear, he didn't say the word track.

713
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 2: No, he didn't at all, but I mean his point.

714
00:34:38,280 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 2: His point was he he has no need for torsion

715
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,720
Speaker 2: bars and he likes that multi league or suspension. Nathan.

716
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: Let let me get your take on the nine nine three.

717
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I have a nine three, actually have a

718
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 3: video out you can you can find it online. It's

719
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: me my speed yellow nine nine three next to my

720
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: speed yellow Dot one nine one six arrowkit car. I

721
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 3: recommend watching that. You got a lot of flack. And

722
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 3: I basically lay out in that video that I probably

723
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 3: drive my nine nine six twenty times for every time

724
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: I drive my nine ninety three. I think the nine

725
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 3: nine three is a beautiful car. It's a seminal work

726
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,839
Speaker 3: for Porsche. I used to love it more than I

727
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: love it now. My issue with it is I call

728
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: it five degrees right of center. It's actually too good

729
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: to be an air cooled nine to eleven and not

730
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 3: good enough to be a water cool nine eleven. And

731
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 3: so if I could only have one, it might be

732
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 3: a good choice for someone. But I just find that

733
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,239
Speaker 3: when the mood strikes to drive a classic Porsche, I'm

734
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: going to grab one of my ninety sixty fours or

735
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 3: one of my early cars, and if I want a

736
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 3: little bit more capability but still raw, I'm going to

737
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: drive my nine and six, and so I just rarely

738
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: choose the nine to three. It's a the build quality

739
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 3: is much better than my nine ninety six. It's a

740
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: much more valuable car. But just which one I feel

741
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 3: better getting out of nine ninety six? I hate to

742
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: say it.

743
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 2: All right, that's a good place to take a break here.

744
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: I want to come back and talk about the valuation

745
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 2: of these vehicles. I think it's in and now it's

746
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,759
Speaker 2: gonna be interesting. I mean, then they were affordable and

747
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 2: you won't believe it. Now you can't.

748
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: Afford one, so you also won't believe exactly.

749
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,440
Speaker 2: We'll be right back with Nathan Mertz and Magnus Walker.

750
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 2: This is hot pursuit.

751
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: Welcome back. This has been I feel like it's been enlightening.

752
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: But I also don't know if we're convincing that everyone.

753
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 1: I feel like all of us are are are trying

754
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: to convince you. Matt, Yeah, but you can't make him drink.

755
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: But let's talk about the values here for a second.

756
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,000
Speaker 1: Because one of your big criteria, Matt, is something that

757
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: you can afford, which for Portia used to be a

758
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: big part of the appeal, but that has really changed.

759
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Nathan, specifically, where do you see any opportunities

760
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 1: to come into the Porsche family for something with something

761
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: affordable that might gain value. I mean, does that even

762
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: exist anymore?

763
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 3: That's a tough question, particularly because we decided this topic

764
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 3: was going to be exclusive for the nine to eleven

765
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: So oftentimes I make recommendations outside the nine to eleven family,

766
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: But if you're going to stick to the nine to

767
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 3: eleven family or topic, I certainly think that there's cars

768
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 3: that are going to still have opportunity to gain value.

769
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,239
Speaker 3: And I think there is actually cars I think that

770
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: are newly of value because of market demographic shift, and

771
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 3: so I still believe in my heart that nine ninety

772
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 3: six cars are a good value. I think that particularly

773
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 3: like nine nine and six Turbo and six GT three,

774
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: even though they affordable per se, they're still within a

775
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 3: reasonable number few enthusiasts whos commit it is the cause?

776
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 2: What about the what about the older cars? And nag

777
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: I mean, like my problem is I can if I

778
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 2: look at it nine now is that or I look

779
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 2: at a nine ninety seven, and I can, like you say,

780
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: thirty grand, forty grand for the nine nine six. I'm

781
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 2: looking at coops, right, nine ninety seven. You can get

782
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: a great one for fifty or sixty. But if I

783
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 2: look at I say, okay, I want a career three

784
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 2: point two with a G fifty or I want a

785
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 2: nine six four. And in that case, I'd be willing

786
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 2: to take a cabriolet because I feel like it's stiff enough.

787
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: We should talk about that.

788
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 2: But those are only those are those are already one

789
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 2: hundred thousand, Like if you want to have a nice

790
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: driver example, or am I wrong?

791
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you're not wrong. And that's actually one of

792
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 3: the challenges I tell people like Magnus, I'm not a

793
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 3: wealthy guy. If you'll say, oh my gosh, I have

794
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 3: all these cars, and I said, no, I bought them

795
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 3: when they were inexpensive, or if I've bought them recently,

796
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 3: I have met Maguzine. I use the same accounting method

797
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 3: in our brain, which is, well, I may have paid

798
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: this for the car today, but I sold a car

799
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 3: I only paid twenty grand for, so essentially I paid

800
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: twenty Granted, I know that's bad math, but that's how

801
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: my brain works. Where's a lot of my cars today.

802
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:08,319
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go out and rebuy that car for its

803
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: current market value. And that's how I feel. For example,

804
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,719
Speaker 3: like a decent quality G fifty three to two coup

805
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 3: if you call that one hundred k do in my

806
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,440
Speaker 3: heart do I think that car delivers one hundred thousand

807
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 3: dollars with a joy and ownership experience. No, it kills

808
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 3: me to say it, but I don't think so.

809
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: I mean, for that scenario, here's what I would do.

810
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 4: You got one hundred grand to spend, and I'm going

811
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 4: to be the Mustang that doesn't follow the rules here

812
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 4: because I know we're talking about nine to eleven. I mean,

813
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: go buy a nine to six A, Go buy a

814
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 4: nine two AA. You know there's plenty of value there

815
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: outside of the nine to eleven world. I mean, for me,

816
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 4: I've actually never owned a three two Carrera. It's another

817
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 4: G Body call that I've never owned. You know, I've

818
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 4: driven a lot of G Boddy calls.

819
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: We know.

820
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 4: G Body calls came out in seventy four and they

821
00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 4: went all the way up to eighty nine when the

822
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 4: ninety sixty four replaced it. For me, the sweet Spot

823
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 4: really is a three leader sc over a three to

824
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: two Carrera, And I also don't buy into this three

825
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 4: two Carrera has got to have a G fifty transmission.

826
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 4: I really really like the nine point fifteen since.

827
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 2: My brother says to have I mentioned my brother in law,

828
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: he likes, he.

829
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: Likes, he sounds like the smart one. I think these

830
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 4: people are again hung up on G fifty three twos

831
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 4: of the same people are worried about ims.

832
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,800
Speaker 2: Be he has he has nineteen. I think it's a

833
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty two three Yeah, and he I mean, he

834
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 2: loves it.

835
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: Louise, Right, we're talking about Louise.

836
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,879
Speaker 4: Louis Luis, he's a smart one to me. The three

837
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,400
Speaker 4: leader s Sea Witch debuted in seventy eight. You know,

838
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 4: it's the same case as a three lid Turbo. You know,

839
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: they just seem more throttle responsive, they seem a little snappier.

840
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 4: You know. I'm just more inconnected a little Roorra, you know.

841
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 4: But these are the cars that were affordable, that were

842
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 4: you know, I guess it's irrelevant to say the role

843
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 4: affordable by them, But it comes back to this, does

844
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 4: a three tune Carrera.

845
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: With It's irrelevant and painful, painful.

846
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 4: Where's the value? No, not from a driving experience at all.

847
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 2: I had to say nine to twenty eight or a

848
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: nine six eight or whatever. To me, that doesn't work

849
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 2: because I want the engine to be behind me. So

850
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: and I know, Nathan, I've seen some videos where you say,

851
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: like look at a Caman or a Boxer, which makes

852
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 2: more sense to me because then you have the mid

853
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: engine feel and it makes sense. But I still want

854
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 2: to be able to put my kids in the back.

855
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 2: So that's just also like my my only option really

856
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 2: is is a nine to eleven? I think I think

857
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 2: I I think I would would prefer to go with

858
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 2: something that I'm not going to have to work on

859
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 2: too much that I know you're I know it's an

860
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 2: old car, but I feel like mechanical simplicity is is

861
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 2: probably a really important part of the decision. And I

862
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: guess in that case, the older G body cars make

863
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,959
Speaker 2: more sense than maybe a nine to six y four, right.

864
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 3: I mean to media represent a better down you. I'm

865
00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: with Magnus. I'm a nine to fifteen fan, so my

866
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 3: only pivot and I own SC's as as well. I've

867
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 3: got an video you can watch about the SC but

868
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 3: I like the eighty four to eighty six three two

869
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 3: because what they do offer is they're still nine to fifteen,

870
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 3: a little bit lighter. They sell at a discount versus

871
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,280
Speaker 3: the G fifty cars, but you get the motronic motor

872
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 3: which Magnus is blessed. He's in la I'm blessed. I'm

873
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 3: in Seattle. We have great independent forces support, but for

874
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 3: large swaths of the country they don't have great support.

875
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 2: And so.

876
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 3: CIS is a really good robots fuel injection system, but

877
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: it's mechanical and so you still have to have, you know,

878
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 3: an old guy with neuraled hands and probably has a

879
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 3: German accent.

880
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 4: To work on it.

881
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 1: We should talk about convertibles for a second because Matt

882
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes Matt goes He'll like send me

883
00:43:08,120 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: pictures of you know, Speedster America. It's like, no nine

884
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: to elevens. And I know there's something in you that

885
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: really wants a convertible, Matt. Well, but I also know that, like,

886
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: let's hear about the value proposition of a convertible versus

887
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: a coup and magnetible.

888
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: Just get a soft window tug that's a real Flex

889
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 4: sixty seven soft window tag of nine to twelve.

890
00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: And does that even work in Seattle?

891
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 2: I mean Thatngnus always tells me, uh well, Magnus obviously

892
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,480
Speaker 2: ridicules convertibles. And my brother also says, no, get a coop,

893
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: And I know that would be we go to get

894
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: your brother on the podcast Curist. I know that would

895
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 2: be a purest idea. But you know what, my when

896
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 2: I the Portia in my neighborhood when I was growing up,

897
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: there was a doctor who had a convertible Carrera three

898
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 2: to two with the whale tail. I don't necessarily need

899
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: that part.

900
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: But I wouldn't be wrong, you know it.

901
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: In my head. And also like I would be using

902
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 2: this car as a weekend car, right, driving it around

903
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 2: with the kids in the back for ice cream, Like

904
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 2: the top down is fun and I and are there

905
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: and they're more affordable, right Nathan.

906
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean the cabriolet. I mean essentially, because people

907
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 3: a little bit like Magnus and I, we we shun

908
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 3: the convertible as an impure expression form, which is not

909
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: really fair. It's still a wonderful car, and as a result,

910
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: the values are absolutely I mean, it depends on the generation,

911
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:38,280
Speaker 3: but for example, you know in a three two generation.

912
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 3: The Cabrelets suffer literally half the price of a similar

913
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 3: quality coupe, so it is a little bit compelling. And

914
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 3: even me, who although I will tell you, Matt, like

915
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 3: even me, like I own these cars. Every so often

916
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: I'll get the handker and like I'll go, you know,

917
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 3: off the plotted chart, and then I drive one and

918
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 3: I think it's a good car.

919
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 4: It just isn't the car I'm seeing Mount Miller in

920
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 4: a in like eighty six red slant nose convertible. Yes,

921
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,320
Speaker 4: you know taking the kids to get ice creamed? Is

922
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,760
Speaker 4: your best red slant nose nine thirty convertible.

923
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: No slant nose for me. Remember, I need those gun rails, dude,

924
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: I need the That's why I like the America Roadster.

925
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: To me, that would be really great.

926
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: Uh.

927
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 2: I just like it because it's got the wider rear

928
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 2: end and you can put the top down, and it's

929
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: a nine to six y four so it's got the

930
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:35,360
Speaker 2: the spring very bad boys, Uh, Nathan, I want to

931
00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: ask about uh Columbia Valley luxury cars and this is

932
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 2: your your dealership right your shop, and because I wonder

933
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: how you would recommend somebody and maybe not specifically about

934
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: your shop. But how would you recommend to somebody to

935
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 2: go about buying, finding and buying a nine to eleven? Like,

936
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 2: should I be on bring a trailer all day? Should

937
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: I go on car Gurus? Should I find someone like

938
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 2: you that? Because I don't know how much inventory you have.

939
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: It seems to me like you walk people through it,

940
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 2: you find them a car and then and so who

941
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: do you know?

942
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: How do you know who to trust? Yeah, think it's

943
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: good because there are a lot of shady people out there.

944
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: Oh those are those are million dollar questions. And I

945
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: try to help people with this all the time to

946
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: the best of my ability. I do have a consulting model,

947
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 3: so people could call in and you know, buy my

948
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 3: time and help me, oh help them walk them through

949
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: the market. But yeah, unfortunately the market is very frustrating.

950
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: It used to be it was just sort of a

951
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 3: you knew people and it was an enthusiast network, and

952
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 3: you bought cars because you both shared the love and

953
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 3: the passion and you know, cars really didn't have significant value,

954
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 3: so it was just fun and easy. And now because

955
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,840
Speaker 3: the cars are sort of a hot commodity in the

956
00:46:49,160 --> 00:46:51,400
Speaker 3: car market, and even take bring a Trail as an example,

957
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 3: something like thirty somewhi percent of their cars on that platform.

958
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 3: And Porsche, well, clearly Porsche isn't thirty percent of the

959
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 3: collect your car market, but you would think it is.

960
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 3: It just happens to be the hottest zip code in

961
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 3: the Porsche or in the car real estate right now.

962
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 3: And so when that happens, you get a lot of

963
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 3: you so called experts, you know, whether they want to

964
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:15,280
Speaker 3: be influencers or whether they're trying to sell you something.

965
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 3: You know, trying to tell people what they should or

966
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: shouldn't do, or which cars are good. And I always

967
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,839
Speaker 3: tell people, first and foremost, buy what you love.

968
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:25,760
Speaker 4: You know, it's it's.

969
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,160
Speaker 3: Extravagance, no matter what you spend, it's an extravagance to

970
00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 3: have a car that's not as functional as a modern car.

971
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: So when you walk out to your garage or to

972
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 3: your car, you should have a little little tickle like

973
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: you're ten years old and it's Christmas morning. If you

974
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 3: don't have that sense, you probably bought the wrong car.

975
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 3: I think you should also, you know, go into it

976
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 3: with the thought of what your use case is going

977
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: to be. And everyone's use case is different, and I

978
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: don't judge. You know, there's a lot of judgment in

979
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 3: the Porsche world. You know, some some people love to

980
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 3: race their cars, some people like to work on their cars,

981
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: some people like to show their cars. Some of them

982
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: like to never use them and just have them in

983
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 3: their garage. And all those use cases are just fine

984
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 3: with me. But understand what your use case is going

985
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 3: to be. So in your case, you have this vision,

986
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 3: I want to take my kids out of my car.

987
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,919
Speaker 3: That's a different use case than you know. I don't

988
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 3: have kids at home anymore, so that's not my use case.

989
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,280
Speaker 3: And so there's that in terms of who to trust,

990
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 3: very very few people, you know in this world. Sadly

991
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: that kind of kills me to say that, but I

992
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: also think in some ways it's somewhat unfair. I've actually

993
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 3: recently had to go to a disclaimer on Bring a Trailer,

994
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 3: where I basically tell people, hey, yes, I'm well known

995
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:40,439
Speaker 3: in the Porsche space, Yes i operate from a place

996
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 3: of integrity, but I'm still selling a forty year old

997
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: or twenty year old or whatever German car that is

998
00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 3: going to break, you know, is going to you know,

999
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:52,800
Speaker 3: like Magnus is saying, he's got a flat tire somewhere

1000
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 3: in the car's got to be flatbedted. That's kind of

1001
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 3: part of the experience. And so it's a long winded answer,

1002
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: and I don't I hope I gave you good information.

1003
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: You know, you did it very sensible, honestly, I mean

1004
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: very just no easy answer. I didn't expect you to say, like, oh,

1005
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: go to pea car market and then you'll be fine,

1006
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 2: you know, Or I guess obviously, if I'm willing to

1007
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 2: pay for your time, you're going to help me to

1008
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,759
Speaker 2: the best of your ability. Or I mean, magnus, what

1009
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,839
Speaker 2: do you do? It seems like you just have cars

1010
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: fall into your lap all the time.

1011
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 4: I'm the complete opposite. I'm the guy that's owned a

1012
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:26,720
Speaker 4: lot of vehicles. You know, I take a leap of faith.

1013
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 4: How about can it be I've only once ever did

1014
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 4: I get a PPI done on a car that happened

1015
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 4: to be a nineteen seventy five right and drive nine

1016
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 4: thirty Turbo that was in Australia, So you know, seem like,

1017
00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 4: you know it's on the other side of the world.

1018
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 4: Maybe I should have someone look at it before I

1019
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 4: blindly just say yeah, I'll buy it because generally that's

1020
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 4: how I jump into things. It's a very emotional connection

1021
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 4: that starts with the thrill of the chase. That's it.

1022
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:58,800
Speaker 4: It's raw emotion. It's waking up at three in the

1023
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 4: morning just obsessing over it. Have to have it. And

1024
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 4: then once I've decided it's then you know, worked the deal.

1025
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 4: And then as quickly as I can get the seller

1026
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 4: paid before he changes his mind with seller remorse, I'm

1027
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 4: wiring him the money that same day, and you know

1028
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:19,720
Speaker 4: it's a lesson impatient.

1029
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: Change kills the deal.

1030
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 4: I've acquired a lot of rare cars. The sixty four

1031
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 4: nine eleven was the deal I put together over six

1032
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 4: nine months. Porsche him two hundred and thirty two of those.

1033
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:31,239
Speaker 4: So I take a leap of faith. I just dive in.

1034
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:35,439
Speaker 4: I don't ask anyone's opinions. I'm not I don't spend

1035
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 4: any time on the internet looking at videos. I've kind

1036
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 4: of stopped making my own videos. It's irrelevant to me.

1037
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 4: I don't need no distraction. No one else's negative frequency

1038
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 4: or opinion. It's irrelevant, and I've always been that way.

1039
00:50:48,560 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 4: I just if it, if it makes my heart sort

1040
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 4: of miss a beat and I'm that ten year old

1041
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: kid that wrote the letter to Porsche. And this is

1042
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 4: a familiar story. Porsche's always making this same promotional video

1043
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 4: with the ten year old kiddos at school and watches

1044
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 4: the nine to eleven go by and gets on his

1045
00:51:05,840 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 4: bicycle and goes down on the dealership and meets the dealer,

1046
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 4: and the dealer gives him a business card and I'll

1047
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,959
Speaker 4: be back in twenty years. Scenario Push has been making

1048
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 4: that commercial for a long long time because it's reality.

1049
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 4: These dreams start at an early age. Everyone falls in

1050
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: love with a car at an early age. So for me,

1051
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 4: it's purely emotional. You know, I'm not looking at spreadsheets

1052
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 4: and getting opinions and figuring stuff out.

1053
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 1: You also do your research, obviously you're not, are you

1054
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: used to? I don't think i'd do anything more because

1055
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:38,960
Speaker 1: you now have life experiences. It's like you're talking about it.

1056
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 4: I did zero research when I bought the nine nine

1057
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:44,760
Speaker 4: to one Turbos. It's zero. It wasn't even on my radar.

1058
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 4: It wasn't even something I wanted. The cars are big

1059
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 4: and bulk here, and you know, you park an early

1060
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:51,920
Speaker 4: car next to it, and it was just maybe I'm

1061
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 4: getting old and seen.

1062
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,359
Speaker 2: But you know, I think could be the case. Dude, Yeah,

1063
00:51:56,800 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 2: push six day. I'm okay with I have red sheets

1064
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:05,040
Speaker 2: and I've got like two different chat shept accounts that analytical.

1065
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 2: I've seen all of your videos Magnus, and I'm watching

1066
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 2: all of Nathan's now, so I still do I for me,

1067
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: watching the video is a part of the whole experience.

1068
00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: Like that's that's part of what I want to be doing.

1069
00:52:18,640 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: I want to be spending an hour a day on

1070
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,680
Speaker 2: bre trailer, the double checking Pea car market and looking

1071
00:52:24,719 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: at el for spot and all this stuff. But listen,

1072
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your time. And I probably will just

1073
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 2: call up Columbia Valley Luxury Cars and have them help

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00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: me out, because want you.

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00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: To go buy one and drive it down to l A.

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00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 4: Just go buy go buy a nine nine six and

1077
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,719
Speaker 4: be done with it, because all of the.

1078
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 2: All right, well, I will I will try and you know, uh,

1079
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: I will try and and and and do it and

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00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 2: do it soon. And I'll do it uh with with

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00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 2: you guys, because your people that I actually do.

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00:52:59,560 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: Let me just say before we wrap, and I know

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00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap, but we're telling you to buy a

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00:53:04,120 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: nine to ninety six. But we're also all telling you,

1085
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: don't listen to anybody else, Yes and everything not going

1086
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 1: to buy, and Magnus have said, don't listen to anyone,

1087
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:14,920
Speaker 1: don't even listen to us.

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00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 2: I think if I'm going to spend one hundred grand

1089
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: because I really do want to see those gun rails,

1090
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 2: I really do want like the original body shape, I'm

1091
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 2: gonna have to do it with someone like Nathan who

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00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: I feel like I can trust, we can trust, or

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00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 2: hopefully one falls into Magnus's lap and he passes it

1094
00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 2: on to me. But dude, I really appreciate your time. Nathan,

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00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us. Magnus you as well,

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00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: and Hannah. It's always well to spend the time with you.

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00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 4: It's being emotional.

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00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,279
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much, Thank you very much.

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00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 2: I just want to give a shout out to Dennis

1100
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 2: because he actually messaged me last night and was saying

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00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: he listened to the podcast on his drive home and

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00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: he wrote in earlier about his nine to nine seven

1103
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,520
Speaker 2: point two man, and you will see four s purchase

1104
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 2: last year. It's it's his forever car.

1105
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: Oh he loves it.

1106
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh he he linked to one of Nathan's videos,

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00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 2: so I was.

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00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: Oh, even better. This small wow, small world. We got

1109
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: that last night, SERENDI yeah, totally the universe.

1110
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 2: We don't. I guess we could wrap this up completely.

1111
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 2: But you're in Vegas and you're back, and do you

1112
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 2: have anything cool coming up?

1113
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: So I left Vegas last night. Actually I was at

1114
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: this my first CEES ever, which was hell?

1115
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 2: Was it?

1116
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't as bad as everyone said. Honestly it was

1117
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,799
Speaker 1: honestly because it was shiny and new, it was not bad.

1118
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: I really just focused on car stuff. I know you

1119
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:47,320
Speaker 1: can walk the floor and see endless robots for everything,

1120
00:54:47,400 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: but it wasn't that bad.

1121
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: What is a vetol vertical takeoff and landing?

1122
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't okay, so there's that. I also learned a

1123
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: new term, fud Do you know what fuded me?

1124
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 2: That's a trumpy thing, right, I don't know if it's trumpy.

1125
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:06,600
Speaker 1: Someone in a meeting I was in what kept saying it,

1126
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 1: so I had to look it up. It's me uncertainty

1127
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: and doubt. Anyway, it was really interesting and coming up

1128
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: let's see, Oh you know what, next week I'm going

1129
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 1: to be in New York. Sweet Yeah, so I'll see

1130
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 1: you live and in person. We have our annual edit

1131
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 1: meeting where we plan them excited.

1132
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 2: You know that I'll be here most of the week,

1133
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: but I'm going to motor City on Thursday, Oh Detroit. Yes,

1134
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 2: for I'm going to hang out with Great and I'm

1135
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:42,520
Speaker 2: going to hang out with Max Freshchappin from Red Bull.

1136
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 4: Yes.

1137
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: Yes, I will be interviewing those dudes. But you know

1138
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:52,839
Speaker 2: what I'm most excited about most of all, what Dax

1139
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 2: Shepherd is going to be there. Magnus. Have you seen

1140
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,920
Speaker 2: Hit and Run? Have you seen the movie Hit and Run?

1141
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,239
Speaker 4: No, We've got to put it on the list, I think, dude,

1142
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 4: it is such.

1143
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 2: A good movie. Dax wrote and directed it, Kristen Bell

1144
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 2: stars in it with him, and it's a car dude

1145
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 2: and Doudet movie. Like he has his old Lincoln Continental,

1146
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:21,120
Speaker 2: which is actually his uh. He has a Cadillac CTSV

1147
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,799
Speaker 2: wagon with a stick that Bradley Cooper drives. Bradley Cooper

1148
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 2: and after this is the link the clip you sent

1149
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:32,879
Speaker 2: a clip from it. There's a Corvette in it. There's

1150
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 2: like a Pontiac Solstice watching tonight. It's so good, so

1151
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 2: so good. I highly recommend it, so I'm hoping that

1152
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: I can convince Dak Shefferd to join us on this podcast.

1153
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: Please do. Yeah, that does it for this week's show.

1154
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:50,560
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1155
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,080
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1156
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,839
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1157
00:56:56,880 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: and really appreciate the comments and the pictures and the

1158
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,400
Speaker 1: links to things you've seen. Also shout out to my

1159
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: sister who sent us a link with some very cool

1160
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 1: vintage car clothing. Email us at Hot Pursuit at bloomberg

1161
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,480
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00:57:09,920 --> 00:57:12,160
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1163
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:14,239
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1164
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,760
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Speaker 1: your podcast feed again next week.