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Speaker 1: On November twenty first, nineteen ninety seven, a Suffolk County,

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Speaker 1: Virginia man known for drug dealing and gambling named Gene

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Speaker 1: Artists and his sister, Yvonne Giles, were both fatally shot

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Speaker 1: in front of Yvonne's six year old son, Trayvon. The

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Speaker 1: later became unable to remember the details of the tragic event.

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Speaker 1: In a court of law. However, Gene Artist's girlfriend and

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Speaker 1: several other associates began making police statements that named another

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Speaker 1: man involved in the drug trade, Larco Kearney, collectively saying

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Speaker 1: that he shot Jeane to recover a large gambling loss.

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Speaker 1: Shortly before his trial, another drug dealer claimed that l

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Speaker 1: Rico had plotted to rob Gene Artists of the gambling

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Speaker 1: scops in order to repay him for a drug debt.

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Speaker 1: La Rico was convicted, but a constitutional violation triggered a

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Speaker 1: new trial in which three new witnesses joined the commonwealths case.

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Speaker 1: With this many people willing to testify, revealing the statements

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Speaker 1: of the only person who actually saw the murders wouldn't

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Speaker 1: even have seemed like it was necessary. But this is

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Speaker 1: wrongful conviction. Welcome back to wrongful conviction. Today we have

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Speaker 1: another case out of Virginia, which, again the entire substance

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Speaker 1: of the States case was built upon the words of

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Speaker 1: incentivized witnesses receiving leniency on their own charges, by the way,

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Speaker 1: all while ignoring the only actual credible witness and the

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Speaker 1: most likely suspect. Meanwhile, the man who they focused on

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Speaker 1: instead is calling in today, over twenty five long years

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Speaker 1: later from Greensville Correctional Facility of Virginia. Larico Kearney, I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry you're with us today under the circumstances, but all

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Speaker 1: of us here at wrongful Conviction are happy and honor

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Speaker 1: that you're joining us today.

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Speaker 2: Thank y'all just for giving me this opportunity, you know,

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Speaker 2: to share my story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're most welcome and also joining us. And you'll

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Speaker 1: remember him from our comforage of Terrence Hobbs is Lenny Singleton,

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Speaker 1: who did his own stint a legal conviction but a

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Speaker 1: crazy sentence of the thousand, three hundred and ten years

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Speaker 1: for having stolen a little over five hundred dollars. No

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Speaker 1: one was hurt, and no weapon was used. Lenny was

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Speaker 1: a jailhouse lawyer and then benefited from a conditional pardon

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Speaker 1: and soon joined the Cagashaw Law firm, from which he

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Speaker 1: and his wife, Vandy crusade for the wrongfully convicted. So, Lenny,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 3: Oh thank you, great to be here.

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Speaker 1: I think our audience will agree that this is very

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Speaker 1: similar to Terrence Hobbs's case, not the story itself, but

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Speaker 1: the patterns of the investigation and the misconduct and the prosecution.

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Speaker 1: The towns in which they occurred were less than twenty

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Speaker 1: miles apart, by the way, where As I alluded to

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Speaker 1: in the opening, you have a crime that occurred in

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Speaker 1: the drug culture of the nineties and an investigation that

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Speaker 1: bent over backwards to ignore the most likely suspect, turning

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Speaker 1: instead to incentivize and or coerced witness testimony in exchange

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Speaker 1: for sentence reductions and things like that. The similarities of

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Speaker 1: the cases are striking, from which it's easy to see

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Speaker 1: that there's patterns here. Right. We see these all over

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Speaker 1: the country, but it seems like there's a cluster of

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Speaker 3: I don't know that we could just focus on Virginia.

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Speaker 3: I think this is a widespread issue where snitches, and

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Speaker 3: most of them do this for a living. They're always

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Speaker 3: They know who to call, they know who to get

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Speaker 3: in contact with. I've seen several cases in Virginia where

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Speaker 3: guys will see someone on TV on the news, call

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Speaker 3: someone and say, look, I'm in the pull with this

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Speaker 3: when in fact those things have never happened. But it

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Speaker 3: for sure, because I've never seen one that actually was true.

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Speaker 3: They're always working to get a deal, get a time cut,

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Speaker 3: as you could clearly see in the letters that Lorico's

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Speaker 3: attorney was able to obtain these inmates, writing folk telling

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Speaker 3: them I'll say whatever you need me to say, just

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Speaker 3: let me get this certain deal.

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Speaker 1: And we'll quote from those letters later. It's really egregious.

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Speaker 1: And of course, again this doesn't only happen in Virginia.

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Speaker 1: But before we get into all of that, Lorico, you

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Speaker 1: grew up in kind of like in two different places,

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Speaker 1: Is that right.

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Speaker 2: I'm a Rigali from Suffol, Virginia. My mom was a

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Speaker 2: single parent. You know. My dad, you know, he was

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Speaker 1: And this is something I've heard before when a young

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Speaker 3: And money in your pocket. Yeah. Back in those days, seriously, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And the only ones with any real economic power, until,

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Speaker 1: of course they got caught and sent away from some

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Speaker 2: But my father went to prison in nineteen ninety five.

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Speaker 2: He had fifty four years under the old with parole.

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Speaker 1: And what did life look like for you after he

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Speaker 2: It's just me, my grandmother or my grandfather. I'man thoseing

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Speaker 1: Right, So you were probably already on the radar of

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Speaker 1: local law enforcement. But have you ever been arrested before

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Speaker 1: I was.

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Speaker 2: Arrested in October of ninety seven. I had a possession

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Speaker 2: that came with that same incident one month before this happened.

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Speaker 1: Whoa, WHOA, Back up a second, they're the assault of

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Speaker 2: I think in the process of them restraining me, I

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Speaker 1: Oh Jesus Christ, I mean so, since the arrest was

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Speaker 1: some sort of city are gaslighting move, they got to

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir.

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Speaker 1: And so now with this arrest and the alleged assault,

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Speaker 1: well known entity of the local police. You were right

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Speaker 1: this case was also known to both you and the police,

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Speaker 1: which is a guy named David Eugene artists who went

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Speaker 1: by a GENA. What was your relationship to Jean.

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Speaker 2: We would run at each other on a regular basis,

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Speaker 2: you know, Like I said, he was on drug dealer

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Speaker 2: look to entice people to gamble, to shoot dice because

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Speaker 2: he was he was good at it. I guess that's

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Speaker 2: how he supported itself. No gambling and seven drugs.

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Speaker 1: And it was part of the States theory that he

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Speaker 1: had enticed you into a few games in which you

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Speaker 1: had lost big money. Did you used to gamble with Gene?

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Speaker 2: I never personally gambled with Gene because I knew how

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Speaker 2: I knew how good Gene was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those guys, man, they come up with

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Speaker 3: these techniques. There's a way you can actually set the

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Speaker 3: dice and increase the probability of a certain number. Gene

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Speaker 3: probably was good with dice. He knew how to set him,

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Speaker 1: So you knew better than to play with Gene. Had

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Speaker 2: He actually did on more than one occasion. He actually did.

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Speaker 1: You had even turned him down in front of two

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Speaker 1: individuals who eventually were coerced into testifying against you. I'm

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Speaker 2: The morning that Gene Artist was killed, he came to

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Speaker 2: course all of us said no.

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Speaker 1: Right, but the authorities eventually coerced those two men into

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Speaker 1: making false statements about you, saying that you were in

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Speaker 1: possession of a black forty five caliber from the day

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Speaker 1: before and in the morning the twenty first, that you

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Speaker 1: had said, quote, if he don't have g or better,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him because I'm tired of him winning

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Speaker 1: my money and coming with no money end quote. Chalk

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Speaker 1: went on to say that you and Jean shot dice

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Speaker 1: successful in getting Jean's girlfriend at the time to say

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Speaker 1: that you had once lost something like five thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: to Jeene and the dice game, but that also had

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Speaker 1: never happened.

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Speaker 2: His girlfriend at the time, her name was Sabrina Northfleet.

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Speaker 2: I think that she had some child depended or she

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Speaker 2: fabricated a story which never happened, seeing me gamble with

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Speaker 2: Jean in the place that, as God's my witness, I

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Speaker 2: had never my life been to.

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Speaker 1: But there was something that she testified to that was true,

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Speaker 1: which was seeing you and Jeane together earlier on in

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Speaker 2: I was at the sub shot that was across the

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Speaker 2: street from the gas station that Geene Artists was at,

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Speaker 2: asked her for a rat and she had pulled up

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Speaker 2: in that gas station two. I guess her Gene they

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Speaker 2: had an argument, but she did see me sitting in

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Speaker 1: So he dropped you off with your grandparents. You later

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Speaker 1: walked down the street to be with one of your

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Speaker 1: kids at the child's mother's house. Both the child's mother

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Speaker 1: and grandmother later testified to your whereabouts during the murders

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Speaker 1: of Gene Artists had his sister Eva and Giles, which

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Speaker 1: was November twenty first, nineteen ninety seven. They were both

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Speaker 1: shot while at home sometime between nine and ten pm,

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Speaker 1: and apparently there was a pizza delivery before the murders.

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Speaker 1: The pizza delivery person, Teresa Rix, saw two men arguing

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Speaker 1: on their way into the residence at one sixteen Franklin Street,

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Speaker 1: neither of which she recognized as you we go. So

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Speaker 1: there was another witness to this entire harrowing scene, this

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Speaker 1: Okay, first, let's take a second to recognize that this

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Speaker 3: Trayvon gave a statement to the police at eleven pm.

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Speaker 3: So this wasn't long after, in which he stated clearly

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Speaker 3: He repeated these statements to the police twice more the next.

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Speaker 1: Day, and he's crystal clear with the police about what happened.

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Speaker 1: Can you read some of the report for us?

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Speaker 3: They question, did you see the man that shot your mom?

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Speaker 3: He said yes, and they asked him, is his name

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Speaker 3: Gregory Artists shoot your mom? Yes? Did you see Gregory

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Speaker 3: He has been to my house before and played cards

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Speaker 3: he says. Trayvon Artists advised he was in his mom's

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Speaker 1: Jean's full name is David Eugene Artists, so the name

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Speaker 3: He says that Jane had a small silver gun and

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Speaker 3: Gregory and Gregory shot at Jean. Him and his mom

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Speaker 3: Once they were in the front foyer, Gregory and David

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Speaker 3: they asked him to describe Gregory Artists, and he describes

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Speaker 1: It's just awful for this little kid. And then the

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Speaker 1: Harris appears to use jeens, involveman and drugs as an

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Speaker 2: So I guess, you know, my name was in his

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Speaker 2: I guess the prosecutor or whoever had planned me to

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Speaker 2: explained to the gentleman like, no, that's not what I'm

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Speaker 1: And he wasn't the only one willing to offer false

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Speaker 1: Eventually a laundry list of people was compiled, including Casey Davis,

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Speaker 2: No, it wasn't Brad Parker. They had got a statement

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Speaker 1: So it turned out that he and Quinton Parish were

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Speaker 1: you were arrested on December twenty eighth, nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 1: and your family hired an attorney named Ken Melvin, who

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Speaker 1: was very effective. Now. Hardy testified to this false statement

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Speaker 3: They recorded this conversation where he admitted to lying about

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Speaker 1: So now with this recording, your attorney filed the motion

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Speaker 2: I ran it to him one time in the Western Time,

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Speaker 2: what the reason the jail? Well, we was on the

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Speaker 2: that you know, he had hopped on my case, right.

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Speaker 1: So he hired Ken Melvin for his own charges and then,

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Speaker 1: And now this attorney, who had been super effective thus far,

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Speaker 1: All this may or may not have been engineered by

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Speaker 1: But for now, let's get back to the hearing to

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Speaker 3: Fearing he would be charged with perjury, He said he'd

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Speaker 2: Now, Judge westbro Poccer said, it's a possibility that before

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Speaker 3: And so this Judge Westbrook Parker ruled at Kearney's indictment

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Speaker 2: So now on this date the prosecutor putting in a

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Speaker 2: they now have another witness, which was Tony Booth. Mister

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Speaker 2: Melvin was disqualified off my case. It was strategic, you know.

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Speaker 2: I guess they felt as though with the case that

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Speaker 2: that's my attorney.

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Speaker 1: So that was September of ninety nine, and as your

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Speaker 3: And that's how they get a lot of guys too.

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Speaker 3: This grel with that I could see him very easily

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Speaker 1: But Lrico, you weren't backing down even though you were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I had two council capital murder at two counts

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Speaker 3: Theory of his crime was circumstantial evidence of Rico's alleged

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Speaker 1: Dead now La Rico tells us that this whole disagreement

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Speaker 2: Sabrino Northfleet gave a false testimony witnessing Jean to win

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Speaker 2: Travis Chalk gave a testimony that he was at you know,

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Speaker 2: He testified to seeing me with the forty five caliber

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Speaker 3: A firearms identification expert testified that the forty five caliber

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Speaker 1: Right, No bullets or fragments were found in Gene, but

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Speaker 1: actually something that was true. Sabrina north Leet saw you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, she seen us together at the East Coast gas station.

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Speaker 2: She just played to him about the argument, and you know,

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Speaker 2: she told them that I was the last person you know,

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Speaker 2: y'all charged me with another individual. So will it come

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Speaker 2: in at did y'all think me? Mister her She's telling

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Speaker 3: Part of the state's evidence was this, mister Travis Chalk

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Speaker 3: heading towards Franklin Street following him.

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00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,520
Speaker 1: So he was supposed to be in Jean's car, but

437
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: now he's in a different car with another guy following Jean.

438
00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 1: Which way is it?

439
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 3: Guys?

440
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't have it both ways.

441
00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 3: Travis Chalk several years later, gave an affidavit that all

442
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,560
Speaker 3: of it was alive. In fact, I do have that

443
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:46,800
Speaker 3: Affidavid Travis Chalk said, I never saw Lrico Kearney with

444
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:51,160
Speaker 3: a gun, nor did he say anything about killing anyone

445
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 3: over some gambling debts, as stated to me by a

446
00:22:54,840 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 3: detective E. C. Harris. He says that that detective led

447
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 3: me to say I saw Larico Kearney with the type

448
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,639
Speaker 3: of gun that was used in the murders, and that

449
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:10,479
Speaker 3: he harassed me almost daily, and that he came with

450
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:16,120
Speaker 3: papers to encourage me to sign, threatening me with incarceration

451
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: if I did not cooperate. Travis Chalk said, I was

452
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 3: young and afraid, and I was given paperwork as to

453
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 3: what to say in court by Detective E. C. Harris.

454
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,959
Speaker 1: Obviously, the Jerry didn't benefit from this knowledge, just as

455
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,439
Speaker 1: they had not benefited from Willie Hardy's admissions from the

456
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:37,119
Speaker 1: preliminary hearing. And then the Commonwealth brought in another steaming

457
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: pile of conflicting testimony from Tony Booth. Now the motive

458
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 1: isn't just about being mad about losing five grand to Gene.

459
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: Now it was five grand that he needed to pay

460
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: mister Booth for drugs.

461
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,719
Speaker 2: Tony Booth said that I sold drugs for him. I

462
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: owed him money and I told him that, you know,

463
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: I had to kill some people to get the money back.

464
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 2: I lost the money gambling. And the testimony that he

465
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 2: gave it didn't matter the evidence. He just said, I

466
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 2: said I held the guns to the people head while

467
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: PC he said PC in my codefend his name was

468
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: two T. He was saying PC and PC first dip

469
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 2: pockets of money and dugs, you know, while he held the

470
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 2: guns to him and killed him oufter that, you know,

471
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,399
Speaker 2: Jene honest, He had cracked cocaine and five one hundred

472
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 2: and fifty dollars a cash in his pocket at the

473
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 2: time of his death. So the testimony there, Tony Booth

474
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 2: gave it. It didn't even match the evidence, right.

475
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 1: If you had robbed Jane to pay Tony as he alleged,

476
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: then Jean's pockets would not have been full of money

477
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: and drugs. You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to

478
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: figure this out.

479
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely.

480
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 1: Booth was awaiting sentencing for his own charges, which was

481
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 1: a projected two hundred and eighty months over twenty three years,

482
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: and that sentencing was suspended until he fulfilled his obligation

483
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:48,840
Speaker 1: at your first and second trials, Tony Booth, you guessed

484
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 1: it ended up serving only five years now, lo Rico's

485
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:57,600
Speaker 1: public defender courtesy of Tony Booth, Mind you, Michael Rosenberg

486
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,959
Speaker 1: poked holes in Booth's story and incredibility on cross examination.

487
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 1: That's good, but what else was presented in your favor?

488
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: The defense called an attorney, you know, to get on

489
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 2: the stand to explain it to the jury about the

490
00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: pre Boggain that Torn and Booth had entered into you know,

491
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: about him, you know, looking for a sentence reduction.

492
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,680
Speaker 3: Also, a witness, Teresa Ris, testified she was a pizza

493
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: delivery person who had delivered a pizza to one sixteen

494
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 3: Franklin Street in the hours before the murders, and she

495
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 3: did see two black men, one heavy set, one medium

496
00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: bill enter the house after arguing with each other getting

497
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: out of their car. And this Miss Ricks testified that

498
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 3: neither of these men were larco' kearney, who she knew

499
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 3: from school. They went to school together, my.

500
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 2: Son's mother and her mother. They actually testified on my

501
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 2: behalf to saying that you know, I was there in

502
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 2: my baby mother's house. You know, at the time that

503
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 2: this allarged defense had happened. She actually testified on my

504
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 2: behalf too. You know, she told the jury that you know,

505
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 2: she was in the driveway when I came from my

506
00:25:58,560 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 2: baby mother's house.

507
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,639
Speaker 1: Unfortunate, the only loved ones don't make convincing alibi witnesses,

508
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 1: as they're easily explained away as someone who might be

509
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 1: willing to lie. But his attorney was in possession of

510
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: the statement from the only witness who should have mattered,

511
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 1: which was Trayvon, and Trayvon was who pointed the finger

512
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 1: directly at Gregory Artists. Yet this alternate and much more

513
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 1: likely suspect was never presented to the jury. Among so

514
00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: much more.

515
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 3: The fact that is Lloyd didn't bring up any physical evidence,

516
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: and none of it pointed to Lorico. Was just astounding

517
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:34,239
Speaker 3: to me. They took fingerprints from the crime scene, and

518
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: to this day they haven't tried to match those fingerprints

519
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 3: to anyone except Larico Kearney.

520
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 1: I mean, what about Gregory artists. Apparently no one was

521
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: interested enough, so the jury came to a predictable conclusion.

522
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't have any idea that I could

523
00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 2: be actually convicted of that crime. You know, I had

524
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: high hopes, and like I said, I was going home

525
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 2: my family in the courtroom. I didn't think of any

526
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: way that they could find me guilty. I mean, I

527
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:00,120
Speaker 2: couldn't believe it. I was a shocked, like I was known.

528
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 2: I kind of feel like, you know, I let everybody down,

529
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: even though it was beyond my control.

530
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 1: And your verdict that the first trial was really odd.

531
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 1: You were found guilty of first degree murder, but only

532
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,400
Speaker 1: of Yvonne Giles along with the related firearm charge, you.

533
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 2: Know, because you had Casey Davis testified he's seen me

534
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 2: with the forty five caliber weapon. I guess they said that,

535
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: you know, the forty five caliber fragment of a bullet

536
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 2: was found in the skull. It was a compromise.

537
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: Thirty right forty five caliber bullet fragments were only pulled

538
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: from Yvonne Giles's skull, and maybe they weren't totally convinced

539
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: of your guilt, so they acquitted you for the murder

540
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 1: of Gene Artists cold comfort there, but you were still

541
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: sentenced to life for the Yvonne Giles homicide plus three

542
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,439
Speaker 1: years for the gun charge. But your public defender, a

543
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: new one who you had been assigned, Joseph Winston, was

544
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: actually able to appeal this verdict and win since the

545
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: only person who could contradict Tony Booth was you, and

546
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: the Commonwealth's attorney unconstitutionally argued to the jury that you

547
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,719
Speaker 1: should have testified. This constituted a clear violation of your

548
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: Fifth Amendment rights, so they properly declared it a mistrial.

549
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: I was convicted in February of two thousand. My case

550
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 2: was overturned January twenty ninth, two thousand and two. That

551
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 2: hadn't been in prison at that time but fifteen months,

552
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 2: but I had been around guys that had actually been

553
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 2: down with twenty twenty five years. I finally get that

554
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 2: Paperbrook saying that my case was overturned, and I shared

555
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 2: that with a few individuals, and you know, like some

556
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 2: people were happy for me, like, you know, we've been

557
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 2: way like to get paid brook like this for twenty

558
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 2: plus years. And they was basically telling me, though, take

559
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 2: advantage of the opportunity. And when I did go back

560
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 2: to court, they offered me a plea.

561
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: Boggain, They just convicted you, but now they're offering you

562
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: a plea. That kind of feels like they had a

563
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,719
Speaker 1: little bit of a guilty conscience maybe, like they knew

564
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:52,000
Speaker 1: this conviction was bullshit. So now Joseph Winston was off

565
00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: your case. You were transferred to jail and a new

566
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 1: public defender named Dwayne Struthers was a signier case. No.

567
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: He came to see me and actually, would I be

568
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 2: interested in taking the plea deal? You know, I told

569
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: him no, less it to be time served, you know,

570
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 2: because you know, I mean, I didn't do this, and

571
00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 2: that's what I'm explaining to him. He asked me, where

572
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 2: if they were offered ten years to serve, would you

573
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 2: be interested in that? And at the time, I had

574
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: been inconcentrated a little bit over five years, and I said, well,

575
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: this five years that already did be included with this

576
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: ten and he didn't know.

577
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: So without a potential five year deal or time served,

578
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 1: you were ready for a second chance to fight for

579
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: your innocence in court, and that meant the state got

580
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: a second chance too. So you were initially in protective custody,

581
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: or the PC pod as it's known, and then you

582
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: got transferred into the general population, where you made some

583
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: new acquaintances, notably Ronald Brookins and Raymond Copeland.

584
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: They tried to, you know, befriend me. So I had

585
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 2: been in there with them maybe a couple of months,

586
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden they put me back in

587
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: this protective custody pod and Bookers and Copeland came to visit,

588
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 2: and you know, they enticed them to lie. And I

589
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: know you've read them. I've got the letters that they

590
00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: vote to the prostitutor and to Detective E. C. Herrist.

591
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 3: So mister Brookn says to the Commonwealth Attorney, mister Jamison.

592
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: Hell oh, mister Jamison, I'm hoping to find you and

593
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 3: yours and the best of health, highest of.

594
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Spirits, the highest of spirits.

595
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 3: It's a crazy git. I'm writing you in concern of

596
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 3: the visit received from you. Today, I feel as if

597
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 3: we did not reach a very clear understanding about having

598
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 3: my jeep returned and the charges dropped. Now I'm waiting

599
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 3: on an appeal. This you could stop. Just have the

600
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 3: federal courts to withdraw their appeal and drop the case.

601
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 3: I have never had a violent charge, so this should

602
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 3: not be hard. I have gave my life to the Lord. Oh,

603
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 3: and I'm willing to help you as best as I can.

604
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 3: If I'm going to take the stand, I need to

605
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 3: know my charges are being dropped. I just want to

606
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 3: chance to start my newfound life in Christ over on

607
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: the outside. If you give me another chance, I will

608
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 3: not let you down.

609
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Sincerely, Yours in Christ, while I put my hand on

610
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: the Bible, swear to tell the truth, and then lie

611
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: my ass off to help the state ruin another man's life,

612
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: just like Jesus would do. I mean, apparently, mister Brookings

613
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: pretended to be a friend of Lorico's father, and then

614
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: he took a look at Lorico's transcript, all in this

615
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: twisted attempt to concoct a believable alleged confession in exchange

616
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: for his own charges being dropped and the return of

617
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: his jeep, and then along comes mister Brook and cellmate

618
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: or blockmate, Raymond Copeland.

619
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: Raymond Copeland, he was sentenced to ten years and the

620
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 2: letter that he wrote to the prostitutor, he was seeking

621
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 2: to have his ten year sinence cut to three, you know,

622
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: for his testimony and basically saying he could be as

623
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: convincing and moving as possible to help bury me, and

624
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: also that he had testified in another murder case for

625
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 2: this prosecutor before.

626
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: Right, so this is a trial tested bullshit artist. So

627
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: let me please read from the letter mister Coplan wrote

628
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 1: about the meeting he had with a Commonwealth attorney just

629
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: six days before his own proceedings Raymond Copeland.

630
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 3: He says, I am writing in concern about our last meeting,

631
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 3: which took place on January twenty eight, two thousand and three,

632
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 3: where you mentioned not making any promises, and I can

633
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 3: respect that, but perhaps we need to discuss my situation

634
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 3: more clearly. I am participating in a double murder trial.

635
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 3: I know others are involved that have a lot more

636
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: time and more serious crimes than I do, so I

637
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 3: want you to know I'm not trying to wait until

638
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: I get to prison before my requests are granted. I

639
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 3: was sentenced by Westbrook Parker, which you may be familiar with.

640
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 3: I know from experience. If you can talk with Parker,

641
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: who's the judge, I can get everything I've asked for

642
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 3: because I'm not asking for much. I can't go to

643
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 3: any prison because of possible retaliation for my testimony. Now,

644
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 3: before I take the witness stand, all i'm asking is

645
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 3: your word off the record. Please contact me and let

646
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: me rehearse my testimony. And also I need to evaluate

647
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: my situation as far as how I will be.

648
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: Rewarded rehearse my testimony.

649
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 3: Rehearse my testimony.

650
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: There was also a third jailhouse snitch, Christopher Joiner, but

651
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: we were unable to obtain any damning letters from him. However,

652
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: in Virginia there's no parole, and Joiner's fifty four year

653
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: sentence appears to have magically disappeared as he was released.

654
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: In fact, years ago, he alleged that he overheard incriminating

655
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: statements from l Rico while he was on the phone.

656
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: So now that everyone was well rehearsed, you went back

657
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: to trial in February two thousand and three. There was

658
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: still no physical evidence tying Larco to the scene. Fingerprints

659
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: that they believe would be probaitive just didn't match Larico Kearney.

660
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: So being a north Leet, Travis Chuck, Casey Davis, and

661
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,959
Speaker 1: Tony Booth returned. So this much was exactly the same

662
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 1: minus the Fifth Amendment violation. And now there were three

663
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: new lying jail house snitches. And in addition to their

664
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 1: sentence reductions and letters to the Commonwealth Attorney, there were

665
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: even more reasons to find their testimonies totally unreliable.

666
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: Brookers testified that I said I kicked the door in,

667
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 2: and that was known throughout the trial, like whoever had

668
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: committed this crime, it was no force insurry, they knew

669
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: the victims struggles. He did point that out, and the

670
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 2: prostituted just made up some bogus theory like showed them

671
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 2: a pitchure of a door in the back of the apartment,

672
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:55,720
Speaker 2: like look at their door, don't it look like somebody

673
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 2: was trying to get out their doors?

674
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: So clearly Brookins misunderstood the facts that he was supposed

675
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 1: to regurgitate for the state. But what about Copeland.

676
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 2: Copeland's testimony was basically the same because they was in

677
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: the same block, and of course they got together, you know,

678
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: to go over what they would.

679
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: Saying, including the same mistakes that proved they didn't know

680
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 1: what the fuck they were talking about. Now, Christopher Joyner,

681
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: he was in the protective custody pod with you because

682
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: he was also cooperating on a number of other cases,

683
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: which does not bode well for his credibility either. And

684
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: he alleged overhearing you say incriminating things while on the phone. Now,

685
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: you had taken a phone call while he was in

686
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: earshot one day when you had returned from motion hearing

687
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: in which you found out that Brookings and Copeland were

688
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: going to testify against you.

689
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: My child was to start that Monday, and I found

690
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: out that Friday. So when I came back, I used

691
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 2: the phone. I called my stepfather, displaying it to him.

692
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: You know what it happened to court and everything that.

693
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 2: You know, he heard me say on the phone, and

694
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 2: my stepfather he wrote it down and put his own

695
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: little twist and spin on it. He actually testified that

696
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: I professed Brookings and Copeland about you know, me doing

697
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 2: the murder. I was bragging or saying that I was

698
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: like a OJ Simpson. It's just for some bogus stuff

699
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 2: he was saying. It didn't even make sense.

700
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:08,320
Speaker 1: And like we mentioned, he too received a sentence reduction

701
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 1: for his OJ Simpson references. Now the defense called the

702
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: Albi witnesses again your loved ones, as well as the

703
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 1: pizza delivery person, in addition to other people who Copeland

704
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: and Brookings had previously test the lie about. But the

705
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: difference with this trial was Trayvon who is now eleven

706
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: years old. Because five years had gone by. You called

707
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: him to the stand to get him to recount what

708
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: he had already said to his statements to police, which

709
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: was a Gregory artist had murdered gene artists Andy von

710
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: Giles right in front of him alone.

711
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: I tried to call him as my witness at the

712
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: second trial, and I'm trying to get him to testify

713
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: to what he said or at least get the statement

714
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 2: presented to the jury. And know they excuse the jury

715
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,359
Speaker 2: and they did what you call the prophet and they

716
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 2: placed them on the stand. He just said he didn't

717
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 2: remember anything.

718
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: Do you know.

719
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: They showed him the statement and he, like I guess

720
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 2: he may have been coached, but he just said he

721
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 2: couldn't remember. And the judge said that I couldn't get

722
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: the statement in to the juri because I couldn't have

723
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: each of my own witness So they didn't allow the

724
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 2: statement to get into the jury.

725
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: And once again, the jury did not hear the most

726
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: important witness statement, the one taken from the only eyewitness

727
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: to the crime, just moments after it happened. Now, who

728
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: knows if he was coached or coerced by the state

729
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: or maybe by his own family. After all, Gregory Artist

730
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 1: was his relative. It's even possible that the memory was

731
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: so painful that the associative amnesia took over it. Either way,

732
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: the jury didn't hear what we all know he had

733
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: said right after he saw his uncle and mother fatally shot. Instead,

734
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: the state pieced together, coerced or incentivized witness statements people

735
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: with no knowledge of the crime. That's the state's case.

736
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: That's it floating on the hope that the jury might think, well, yeah,

737
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: they can't all be lying. And I understand the Commonwealth

738
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: Attorney did something that showed that they knew. You tell

739
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: me what you think, but it seems like they knew

740
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: how fraudulent this prosecution was. They passed a plea deal

741
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: to your attorney, Dwayne Struthers. Even after all.

742
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: This, after the karmawill presented the case, they asked him,

743
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: would not be willing to plead the second degree murder?

744
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 2: And again I asked him, like, you know, how much

745
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 2: tired it this curved and from his actions, you know

746
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: the way he looked at me, he wanted me to

747
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: gamble with the jury. I've already had been convicted once

748
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: and I knew it was a possibility that, you know,

749
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 2: I could get life in prison.

750
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: Again, and your attorney didn't properly advise you about this.

751
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: But second degree murderer carries a sentence of five to

752
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: forty years, not life, not in Virginia.

753
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 2: And I refused it. And here I am sinning again.

754
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 2: You know, I get convicted again, the end up with life.

755
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: I mean, it must have felt like deja vu all

756
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: over again.

757
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 2: It definitely did. I'm like, this can't be happening like

758
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: a second time. It's like I just felt like defeated,

759
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 2: and I know this time my fight would be a

760
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,520
Speaker 2: whole lot harder. It's very rare that you see anybody

761
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 2: get three trials. Being convicted the second time. It was

762
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: hard going back to Wallas with I just can remember

763
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: the ride that I had when my first trial was

764
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 2: overturned and they turned me back to the jail. I

765
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: was in tears for real because of the prison conditions

766
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: and all the people that I'm gonna leave behind, Like

767
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: I would never see this again. Guys, don't get these

768
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 2: this opportunity that I'm about to get. And like I said,

769
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: the whole ride back to that jail, I was in tears.

770
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: I was like, this is the child that my life.

771
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: Is over with.

772
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 2: And it didn't happen that way, you know, me being

773
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 2: convicted the second time, it's I knew. I knew my

774
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:28,959
Speaker 2: fight would be you know, a whole lot harder. Of course,

775
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 2: I went through the litigation process and my family laid

776
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 2: on down the line, you know, put out more money

777
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 2: for me, trying to get me out. I just always

778
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 2: try to be positive and keep their hope like one day,

779
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 2: like like Justin would prevail and I would be able to,

780
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, walk out these prison doors.

781
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,879
Speaker 1: That return trip to prison was February two thousand and three.

782
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: It's now February twenty and twenty three, and you're still there.

783
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: But like you said, the fight is not over. Your

784
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: first attempt was for ineffective assistance of counsel d Wayne Struggles.

785
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 2: He had had a series of like this for their

786
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: actions from the state bar like in two thousand and three.

787
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 2: Then his license was suspended for two years in two

788
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 2: thousand and six because you know, he failed to you know,

789
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: communicate with his clients and you know, he didn't pursuit

790
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 2: cases diligently. So I was hoping when I found his

791
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 2: habis claim against him, that they would overturn my case

792
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 2: just based on the lack of competence of Dwayne Struthers.

793
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: And I did get the evidentiary heard on Struggles's and

794
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 2: competency because of them offered me the plea bargain for

795
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 2: a second degree murdered and he didn't know how much

796
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 2: time that it carried. The District Court granted to hear

797
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: my issue on that claim back in two thousand and eight.

798
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: But the thing where I didn't get into relief on

799
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 2: that issue is because you know, the Commonwealth Attorney, Philip Ferguson,

800
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 2: the head Collonwealth attorney in Suffolk at that time, he

801
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: testified that in Suffolk he has a policy that all

802
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: prea bogins must be reviewed and signed by him, and

803
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to give the authorization. So that's why

804
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: the judge that he didn't rule in my favor.

805
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: And so that rendered the point moved, not that there

806
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: aren't plenty of other points to raise a boy that

807
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 1: effective assistance, because at the second trial he did not

808
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: point out that the only witness to the murder, young Trayvon,

809
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: did not point you out in court. It seems like

810
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: seeing you in court should have jarred something loose if you,

811
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: in fact had killed his mother, but you didn't. And

812
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: once again, the fact that none of the fingerprints taken

813
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: from the scene that they felt were probative, none of

814
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 1: them were a match for you because you weren't there,

815
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,480
Speaker 1: But this was not raised, as was the fact that

816
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: the fingerprints have never been tested against Gregory artists, which

817
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: is insane. So, Lenny, I know you've been on this

818
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: case since your release brought you to the Western branch

819
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 1: of the John A. Cogshall Law Firm, And in another stunning,

820
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: awful setback for this case, Attorney Cogashall, a legend in

821
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 1: the innocence community and a friend to me and you

822
00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: guys and so many others, passed away suddenly in June

823
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. He rest in peace. So where does

824
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: that leave Lorico's case?

825
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: So once again, the law firm of Johnny Cogshaw filed

826
00:41:56,640 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 3: Larco's petition on January fifth, twan I was in twenty

827
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 3: two to the Secretary of Commonwealth Office. That petition primarily

828
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:09,439
Speaker 3: dealt with the statements made by Trayvon Artists the day

829
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 3: of the murders and the following day when they interviewed

830
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 3: him again. Of course, we know there was no physical

831
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,280
Speaker 3: evidence that pointed to Lrico Kearney's guilt, and that Trayvon

832
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 3: Artist definitively told the detectives who killed his mom and uncle.

833
00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 3: That was the foundation upon which this petition was established,

834
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 3: along with the convicted felons who came forward with false

835
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 3: testimony in order to get deals. And fortunately we were

836
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: able to get an affidavit from mister Travis Chalk, who

837
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: said he just wanted to clear his conscience, and he

838
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 3: came forward and said it was all a lie. Everything

839
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 3: he said was a lie. He didn't see Lrico Kearney

840
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: with a gun, he didn't see Larco Kearney following Gene Artists.

841
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 3: He was told exactly what to say by this detective

842
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 3: when he went to court, and he said as much.

843
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: In the petition also details everything you've heard here, the

844
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: inconsistencies and contradictions between the false witnesses and between the

845
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: statements and the facts of the crime. So what does

846
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 1: the petition seek?

847
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 3: A conditional pardon on behalf of Larco Kearney. This petition

848
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 3: is a waiting review because of the long list of

849
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 3: people who file before him. From what we've been told,

850
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: they're so swamped that it's going to be a long process.

851
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 3: So we're hoping to get as much airplay as possible

852
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 3: for mister Kearney to hopefully change this wrongful conviction.

853
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: Well, you have all of our support and hopefully our

854
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: audience will lead the hand as well. There's currently a

855
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: petition alerting the governor of this wrongful conviction, pleading for

856
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: his team to take notice of the grave injustice that

857
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 1: this is. So please do it right now. Click the

858
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: link in the episode bio and get involved. And now

859
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: we go to my favorite part of the show. It's called,

860
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 1: of course, closing arguments, where I first of all, thank

861
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: you guys for being here and sharing this harrowing story.

862
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: And then I'm going to turn my microphone off, leave

863
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,239
Speaker 1: my headphones on, kick back in my chair, and just

864
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 1: listen to any closing thoughts you may have. So let's

865
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: kick it off with Lenny and then close it out

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Speaker 1: with Ulrico.

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Speaker 3: Once again, we have a case where the only evidence

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Speaker 3: that the Commonwealth has in a double murder is convicted felons.

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Speaker 3: It's a sad state of affairs when we are putting

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Speaker 3: people away for life based on convicted felons getting deals.

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Speaker 3: It's time for us to do something, especially in the

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Speaker 3: Commonwealth of Virginia. It's time for prosecutors to bear some

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Speaker 3: of this weight for using convicted felons that they know

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Speaker 3: have extensive criminal records and they know they're getting deals.

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Speaker 3: It's time for the prosecution to possibly suffer as a

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Speaker 3: result of this. I mean, it's the only way that

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Speaker 3: I can see that this situation will ever change. It's

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Speaker 3: a sad day that somebody like Lorico Kearney has been

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Speaker 3: in the prison system for twenty five years or more

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Speaker 3: for something he did not do. There is no evidence

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Speaker 3: to support it. It's time for this to change.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I would just like to say thank y'all

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Speaker 2: for allowing me the opportunity to share my story with

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Speaker 2: the world. Again. This is a situation that anybody can

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Speaker 2: find theirself in. Anybody can come forward and just say

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Speaker 2: But twenty five plus years in prison, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: still healthy. I still have hope that someday, you know,

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Speaker 2: the justice will prevail and I would be able to

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Speaker 2: walk out this prison and be with the people that

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Speaker 2: love me, try to build a relationship with my children.

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Speaker 2: I would like to see my daughter walk down the

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Speaker 2: aisle and like I said, just want to, you know,

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Speaker 2: just go out there and just be a pillow to

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Speaker 2: lost so they won't end up in the same position

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Speaker 2: and that I'm in. Again, I just expressed my condolences

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Speaker 2: to you know, the artist family what they have went through.

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Speaker 2: You know, nobody deserved to die. But I shouldn't spend

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Speaker 2: the rest of my life in prison based on you know,

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Speaker 2: people trying to help their whole situations. And I'm just

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Speaker 2: looking forward to today, like I said, I'm released, and

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Speaker 2: I feel in my heart that you know, jessepo pavailed

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Speaker 2: and the right thing will be done. You know, my

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Speaker 2: heart and my courage. I'm just too big just to

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