WEBVTT - Bryan Johnson: Is This Tech Entrepreneur Aging Backwards? 0:00:01.360 --> 0:00:07.440 Really now, really, really. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.800 Now, really hello, and welcome to Really Know Really with 0:00:11.920 --> 0:00:15.760 Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, who both hope you will listen, learn, 0:00:16.120 --> 0:00:19.200 grow as a person, and most importantly subscribe. 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:22.640 In this episode, you'll meet a man who is attempting. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.200 To age backwards by submitting himself to a two million 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:32.320 dollar a year regimen of health tests, transfusions, therapies, and diets, 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:35.240 all in the hopes of creating an algorithm for turning 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:37.840 his forty six year old body into that of an 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:38.880 eighteen year old. 0:00:39.080 --> 0:00:41.440 Really no, really, Now. 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:44.240 Let's meet our hosts, who, if anything, are doubling down 0:00:44.280 --> 0:00:45.400 on this whole aging thing. 0:00:45.760 --> 0:00:50.959 Jason Alexander and Peter Tilden, Really well. 0:00:51.479 --> 0:00:52.320 This y. 0:00:53.240 --> 0:00:55.320 First of all, before we get into our guest and 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.480 our subject, can I ask you a question? Tell me, honestly, 0:00:58.000 --> 0:00:58.760 how do I look to you? 0:00:59.240 --> 0:01:01.440 I look good? Companies, I was gonna say today you 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:02.840 look you look pretty good. You know what? 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:04.959 I did a lot of stuff. I want to know 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:05.560 what I did? 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:06.800 No, what'd you do? 0:01:06.959 --> 0:01:08.800 I did a lot of stuff. First of all, the 0:01:08.880 --> 0:01:11.360 right side of my what passes as a hairline is 0:01:11.400 --> 0:01:12.839 receding faster than the left. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:13.200 Side. 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:15.680 So with a little mass scara, I fill it in 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:18.160 just so I fill it in so it's even not 0:01:18.200 --> 0:01:21.120 I'm not fooling anybody. I colored into sideburns. Did you 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:21.720 a little bit? 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:22.120 Did you? 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:27.360 I My eyebrows are disappearing. If they make monoxidel for eyebrows, 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.480 someone please let me know. This is sad. And I 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:32.640 so I pencil in a little bit of eyebrow and 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:36.040 with a little mass scara, the same one from the head, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:38.920 did a little touch up on the beard and the mustard. 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.000 Then there was the tanning bay, and then there was 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:45.479 the Popeye's chicken. Do you know something now, Because I'm 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:48.080 only going on the outside, the inside is rotting. I'm like, 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.080 the inside of me is the picture of Dorian Gray. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:51.680 You know what I'm saying, You do your eyebrow, your 0:01:51.720 --> 0:01:54.080 eyebrows is just I have no eyebrows. They're disappearing, they're 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:54.560 falling out. 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:56.440 You know what, As we get all the more stuff's 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.840 gonna happen. And that's what today's episode is about. There's 0:02:00.000 --> 0:02:03.120 actually a growing number of biotech companies and billionaires with 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:04.000 cash despair. 0:02:04.040 --> 0:02:08.400 They're investing, of course in research. In research, and billionaires 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:09.440 in research can start. 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.400 Are we going to start with? Can I guess through 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:13.000 this good? 0:02:13.160 --> 0:02:15.079 I'm sorry I shouldn't have said a word. 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.320 It's just that they're fascinated in reversing agent and preventing 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:23.520 agent in the aging process. So even Amazon founder Jeff Bezoss, 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.799 who you played Bezos has out those labs and it's 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:31.000 kind of a mysterious thing where they're pursuing biological reprogramming. 0:02:31.120 --> 0:02:32.640 And the guy that they have on the directors, they 0:02:32.639 --> 0:02:34.840 have their work at the National Cancer Institutes. He got 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.760 a lot of incredible people we have in studio. God's 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.360 been getting so much attention in press. His name is 0:02:40.360 --> 0:02:43.840 Brian Johnson. Was either a centim millionaire or a billionaire. 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:46.239 I've seen it in different ways. Who's more than thirty 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:51.200 doctors and experts monitoring every bodily function led by and 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:53.880 this is bizarre twenty nine year old regenitor of medicine 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.680 physician named Oliver Zoeman. I have questions about that because 0:02:56.720 --> 0:02:58.639 my pants that I'm wearing right now are older than 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:04.320 twenty twenty nine. So and Brian again headlines out there, 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.560 and we know we're in a clickbait world. The headlines 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:10.720 say he wants to have the brain, heart, lungs, liver, kidneys, tendons, teeth, skin, 0:03:10.840 --> 0:03:13.400 hair bladder, penis, and rectum of an eighteen year old. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:14.880 Was anything left out in that list? 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:20.200 By the way, I think that's pretty much ye. Chelsea 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.400 Handler recently mocked him. It's easy to mock him. And 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:25.000 I got to tell you when he sat down we 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.440 just met him. I said to them, we're not here 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.600 to make fun, We're here to find out. And he said, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.520 I'm good with whatever, which already because I know that 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:35.040 it's such an easy thing to attack somebody who wants 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.720 to rejuvenate, and that somebody is doing it to this level. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.640 So first of all, welcome, thanky, thank you for having 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:43.880 me and somebody. Some doctors said that you look sickly 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:45.640 and you look pale and you look bad. You actually 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.280 look pretty good. You look very healthy and you have 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:48.720 good skin. 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:50.840 Look and I mean, this is going to sound like 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.320 a joke, but I don't mean it as a joke. 0:03:52.600 --> 0:03:55.560 You're the male equivalent of Bernadette Peters. I don't know 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.560 how old Bernadette is. I know she's probably a little 0:03:57.560 --> 0:04:00.640 bit older than me. But Bernadette has this amazing skin 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:04.240 because she never I don't think she's ever seen sunlight. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.360 I don't think she's ever in the sun. And she 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.520 has this porcelain, beautiful skin, and that's what i'm that's 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.160 what I see whether Cancert. But I also know that 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:15.040 you're under special lights sometimes in the in the in 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:16.600 the bay that I saw on the video. 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:19.760 The headlines do they accurately because you know today's world 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:22.920 and even in the science community, they have to exaggerate 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.200 stuff to get funding, to get attention, to break through, 0:04:25.240 --> 0:04:28.039 so everything is click bait. But the headline's accurate is 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:30.200 that how how would you portray what you're trying to 0:04:30.240 --> 0:04:31.919 do from your perspective? 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.520 The headlines are all true. There you go, they get 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:36.599 it right, they get it right. 0:04:36.800 --> 0:04:39.719 Yeah, you want to rejuvenate, you want to stop aging, 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.600 that's right. And you want the rectum of a twenty 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:42.120 nine year. 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.040 Lads, right, Okay, I would take a forty one year old. 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:47.479 I mean the old rectims get cancer. 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:48.960 You go, by the way, do you have a picture 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:50.400 you have do you have the rectum, the kidney? And 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:51.839 I mean you have pictures of what you aspire to 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.360 be like when you're going for a haircut, when you're 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:55.320 a kid. They have all the models up. Yeah, do 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:56.640 you know? Yeah? 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:00.000 I took thirty three thousand images of my intestinal try 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:02.240 includes so of my bowels. 0:05:02.400 --> 0:05:04.640 Yeah, you followed the camera, right, yeah? 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:04.880 Right? 0:05:04.960 --> 0:05:07.359 So I mean does that make me a narcissist? Thirty 0:05:07.360 --> 0:05:08.720 three thousand pictures. 0:05:08.880 --> 0:05:10.440 Only if they're all up in your bedroom? 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:11.200 Well? Probably? 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:14.040 Let me just ask, because we are we're fortunate enough 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.560 to have you in studio, do you mind telling us 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:21.480 what your biological age is versus your engineered age? 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:21.760 Yeah. 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:27.400 Chronologically I'm forty six, and biologically I'm hundreds of different ages. So, 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:31.400 for example, my left ear is sixty four, my heart 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.919 is thirty seven, my diaphragm is eighteen, my cardiovascidu capacity 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:38.560 is on par with an elite eighteen year old. So 0:05:38.600 --> 0:05:41.120 I'm hundreds of different ages. My pain, Chris, my liver. 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:44.200 And that's the cool thing about these measurements is you 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.240 can probe all seventy plus organs of the body and 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:51.360 biological systems and find a scientifically valid biological age. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:54.520 Now, just to ping off of that for a second, 0:05:54.920 --> 0:06:01.760 does that create any kind of disconnect within your your functionality? 0:06:01.839 --> 0:06:03.560 The fact that you have like a left ear that's 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.400 sixty four and a right ear that's eleven. I mean, 0:06:06.440 --> 0:06:09.320 does that make anything crazy or you're challenging? 0:06:09.760 --> 0:06:12.040 I mean like when my son, who's my boys are 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:13.960 twenty and eighteen. My eighteen year old does almost all 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:15.320 the tests I do. And so when we have a 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.640 professional hearing grade system at the house and when he 0:06:17.680 --> 0:06:20.479 does the test, he's got perfect carrying across all the 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.920 frequencies you'd expect. You do mine and from four thousand 0:06:23.960 --> 0:06:25.919 hurts to twelve thousand hurts, I'm basically deaf in my 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:27.840 left ear from shooting guns as a kid. 0:06:27.880 --> 0:06:28.240 I grew up. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:29.680 We had a lot of guns, and so I was 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:31.560 right handed. I had a gun aimed by this, so 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.200 my left ear would get exposed, and so I'm basically 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.599 deaf in that frequency range. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.440 I can here okay, but just in certain ranges. 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:39.600 And what's fun about this project is, you know, when 0:06:39.640 --> 0:06:42.000 I go about doing a certain test, like you take 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:44.000 the heart, you can break the heart out into ten 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.960 different ages, and so it's just fun. Where am I at? 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:49.520 And then we get to play this really really fun game. 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.239 How do we reverse that age? 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:55.039 So let's give context this if you can on what 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.760 got us here to this program, to your blueprint. 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:02.520 I was born in a deeply religious rural community, and 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:05.839 I served a mission in Ecuador and where I was 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.960 there among extreme poverty, and it just was a life 0:07:09.040 --> 0:07:13.880 changing experience to go from this middle class US life 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:17.120 to poverty dirt floor of mud hats. And I came 0:07:17.160 --> 0:07:19.080 home to the US and the only thing I cared 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:21.440 about doing was something that would help all of humanity, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.000 Like it didn't make sense to me to spend my 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.160 life trying to make money for that for the sake, 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:28.080 and I really wanted to do something important for other people. 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:30.040 And so I determined at twenty one I'd make a 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:31.520 whole bunch of money. By age of thirty, I'd find 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.760 out what I do. And that was just my orientation 0:07:33.840 --> 0:07:36.760 of like, really was I wasn't good at anything, I thought, 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:38.400 But it didn't happen. 0:07:39.120 --> 0:07:41.480 I'm still waiting, So you must have been. Did you 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:43.280 excel at something to figure out how to get there? 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:44.880 Were you a techie? How did you take the money? 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:45.320 I was? 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:47.720 I had no skill sets of note. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.160 I just thought I looked at what I was good 0:07:49.200 --> 0:07:50.760 at and it was like nothing came up, And I thought, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.040 you know, I'll become an entrepreneur because to be an entrepreneur, 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:56.120 you basically just need to be resourceful and be tenacious 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:57.080 and like, ultimately, if. 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:58.840 You push long enough, you may find it. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.000 And that's what happened with me is ultimately I did 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:03.120 make it and selling my company, and then there was 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:03.800 this question. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.800 What was the company? Would tell everybody what you got 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:06.880 into that made you the money. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:09.840 I built a payments company, brain Tree Venmo. So when 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.240 you take a ride in Uber and they process a 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.680 credit card, that's doing that when you pay someone via venmo, 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.080 so it's basically moving money around. 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.360 And you were sitting at home one day and said, 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.080 you know, I need to come up with this. How 0:08:22.080 --> 0:08:25.160 did did you? Were you a coder? Did do you 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:26.360 have skill set in that area? 0:08:26.640 --> 0:08:29.560 It was I was building another company. I had a baby, 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.880 I couldn't pay my bills, I had a whole bunch 0:08:31.920 --> 0:08:34.760 of debt, and the only job that I could find 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:36.280 I applied to sixty jobs. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:37.440 Nobody would even interview me. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:39.720 The only job I could get was selling credit card 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.160 processing door and door, Like, if you could fog a mirror, 0:08:42.559 --> 0:08:48.120 you could work for the company. Okay, So then I 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.640 became the company's number one sales person. I broke all 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:51.240 their sales. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:54.640 Records, by the way, is a skill, so how to 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:55.719 quantify it when you were here? 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:57.080 So I did that for a year and then at 0:08:57.080 --> 0:08:58.160 the end of the year I was like, this is 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.800 actually I was doing that to fund my other startup. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:03.240 And then after a year I thought this is interesting 0:09:03.480 --> 0:09:04.319 and this is. 0:09:04.280 --> 0:09:07.640 An opportunity, and I started Braintree and started billion payments 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:12.199 and then we process payments for Uber, Airbnb, GitHub like this, 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.880 this generation of companies that are now very large Shopify, 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:17.640 we grew up with them and so it was fun 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:20.240 to grow alongside them. And then we acquired Venmo, and 0:09:20.280 --> 0:09:22.440 then PayPal bought the combined entity for a hundred million 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:22.760 in cash. 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:23.320 Wow. 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.920 Wow, good night drive safely. Wow. So at that point 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:29.960 you're netting out hundreds of millions of dollars, you're how 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.560 old thirty four? And you go, okay, I did it. 0:09:34.200 --> 0:09:36.000 So now am I going to do humanity? Or did 0:09:36.040 --> 0:09:37.240 you have to build one more thing? 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:39.960 I mean, I was in a pretty big hole in life. 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.200 I mean I had been depressed for ten years, chronically 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.440 depressed where I would just lay in bed and just 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:48.200 wish I didn't exist. But I had three kids and 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:52.959 so I mean it's the worst thing imaginable of existence. 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:56.560 And I was leaving my born into religion. I was 0:09:56.600 --> 0:09:59.679 in a challenger relationship. And so once I sold Braintree 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:03.680 in one year full a company, we ended the thirteen 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:06.680 year marriage, left the religion, and then overcame my depression. 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:08.640 And it was just this window of time to try 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:12.439 to remake myself and say if I really have freedom 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.920 to move about. And so my life at that point 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.000 had been everything I couldn't do, and now this moment 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:21.360 arrived there everything I could do. And so my orientation 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:24.360 became where can I go in existence? 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:28.400 That huge transition that you just described of severing some 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:33.560 relationships and starting and new Were you guided with anybody 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:36.280 with that or is that all self motivated? Self discovered? 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:39.240 Self motivated self discovered? 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:44.320 Wow, while I was depressed, I tried everything you name it, 0:10:44.360 --> 0:10:48.480 I tried it. And then once I ended that relationship, 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:51.640 once I left the religion and that environment, it just disappeared. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.160 And so it was really. 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.560 Symptoms of my circumstances more than anything else. And so 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:00.760 the solution was making signific life changes. 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.200 So then how long did it take before you decided 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:05.560 I'm going to be this guinea pig, and I'm going 0:11:05.600 --> 0:11:07.280 to co opt somebody. And now I want to find 0:11:07.280 --> 0:11:09.000 out how you got like I said, this doctor to 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.720 be the somebody because yeah, apparently you're not a dumb guy. 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:13.880 He did the research to find out people who would 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:16.559 not hurt you with their their ideology and what they 0:11:16.559 --> 0:11:18.280 thought you should do. How did you get to that 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:20.880 to starting this company and being on this regiment that 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:21.160 you're on. 0:11:21.480 --> 0:11:26.319 I started holding dinners around the country. I would get together, oh, 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.600 my closest friends. I'd have them if they're most capable 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:31.200 of people friends, and I would pose this question at 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:34.600 the beginning of dinner. I'd say, imagine, we're in twenty 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:38.360 fifty and we are thrilled with the existence we've created. 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:42.000 We're just we can't believe how remarkable life is. What 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.240 did we do in the year twenty seventeen that made 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:48.240 twenty fifty extraordinary? Now just listen, you know. And then 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.880 I'd ask questions like why and why and why? And 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:53.719 I try to basically survey the minds of a few 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.600 hundred people of what's in the zeitgeist now. And then 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.720 I wanted to ask a question what's miss like, what 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.400 is the thing is right in front of our face, 0:12:03.840 --> 0:12:06.080 but no one can see if that's true. Maybe it's 0:12:06.080 --> 0:12:07.760 already seen, and maybe it's just going after the thing 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:08.520 that people already know. 0:12:09.000 --> 0:12:09.800 But I wondered. 0:12:09.920 --> 0:12:14.000 I mean, I've primarily gained my educational life through reading biographies. 0:12:14.559 --> 0:12:16.160 And when you look back in time and read about 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.640 the fifteenth century or sixteenth century, we look back and 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.840 more like, oh, of course it's obvious that you would 0:12:20.840 --> 0:12:23.720 discover germs and that they were the source of infection 0:12:23.800 --> 0:12:26.520 and death, or and of course you would discover penicillin. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.719 But the time, of course, you can't see those things 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:32.560 that are invisible. And so the thing I've always aspired, I 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:35.920 guess I've always admired the most in people is those 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.800 in their time and place who can pill away all 0:12:38.840 --> 0:12:41.880 the layers of their time and place and say, what 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.280 is it right now that would be valued in the 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.160 twenty fifth century, Peter, I. 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:52.000 Would view that question, imagine yourself twenty fifty got it? 0:12:52.880 --> 0:12:53.880 First of all, how you doing? 0:12:54.320 --> 0:12:54.800 I'm dead? 0:12:55.040 --> 0:12:59.480 Yeah, I don't think so. You think so? 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.400 Maybe you have no chance at twenty fifteen, possibly, depending 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.480 on if I'm going to do his regien the area. 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.200 Well, yes, I know you're not alive if you call 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.559 it a living Yeah, what did you do in twenty 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.200 twenty three that made twenty fifty? The joy that it 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:15.599 is for you. 0:13:15.600 --> 0:13:17.520 You're going to think this is Sacharin or nuts, but 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.440 this finding out, this is like our version of one 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:23.280 hundred dinner. We've got some of the top people, yes, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:27.560 in every field. Tell us about. 0:13:27.320 --> 0:13:31.200 LORI put violin, about that I know about, don't know about, expertise. 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:31.520 Don't diminish me. 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.040 I'm not no, no, no. 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:37.400 But this is this is like Brian here. Hopefully it's 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.440 not a judgment. It's a I want to find out 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.720 what I can glean from this. It's a value that 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:46.280 I didn't know, or change my opinion about something, or 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.080 recalibrate the way I looked at something. But I'm not 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:51.520 I'm going to do it. I'm totally with you. I'm 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.480 totally with you, and I'm serious. I know what you're saying, 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:55.280 and I'm with you, and I'm going to make a prediction. 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:58.320 We're going to find out some amazing things and you 0:13:58.400 --> 0:14:03.240 and I will not change one thing. You know what. 0:14:03.320 --> 0:14:03.840 It's hard. 0:14:04.640 --> 0:14:06.920 But what Brian probably can't speak to it maybe you 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:12.560 can is I think people have asked the questions you've asked. 0:14:12.760 --> 0:14:16.280 I think people are interested in it, but very few 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.840 people would then have the forget resources. You have resources, 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:26.160 but the discipline, but you make change, you know, can 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:26.640 I just got it. 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:28.200 I didn't want to get to this now, but Brian 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.960 waiting and then we'll get to what you're doing the 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.680 weird thing, because I wanted to find out why what 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.240 you said is the thing. We all know smoking is 0:14:36.280 --> 0:14:38.800 bad for us. We all know that eating, being overweight 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:40.920 is bad for us, and yet over fifty percent of 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:44.600 the general public is pre diabetic or diabetic. When you 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:46.680 do something like you take a cigarette break from work 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.920 and you go outside, you're escaping from work, and you 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.640 get a good feeling and you get a brain dopamine hit. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:54.640 Are you back to the dope Because a lot of 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:56.680 stuff have to do with brain chemistry on a basic level. 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:58.720 So you get a dopamine hit and you start relating 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:03.120 the break with dopamine and the cigarette. Sure, so the 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.920 little bits of hits they get are all they get. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:07.800 So you're gonna tell me, I'm going to give up 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:10.040 those hits of what I feel good about. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:11.720 And I'm going to pre guess that you're going to 0:15:11.800 --> 0:15:15.960 tell me that once you started to adopt the regimen 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:19.040 that you're doing, that you are getting those dopamine hits 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:19.640 from doing. 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.560 Because he's getting rewards for what he's doing. I do 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.280 something hard. I skipped dinner, but I took the pill. 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:27.920 I get a dopamine hit from that. Correct. Was I 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:29.560 right about what it said? Or do you agree with it? 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:30.000 Or is it? 0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:30.320 Yes? 0:15:30.400 --> 0:15:32.320 So holistic we're pleasure seeking animals. 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:36.160 Yes, so it's that. So you decided I'm going to 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.280 take on this regiment to see if I can change. 0:15:39.800 --> 0:15:42.080 Is it narcissistic or you're looking to change the world. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:45.120 So I'll add a little twist on the thought experiment. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.320 This is not about self discipline, it's not about self help. 0:15:50.080 --> 0:15:52.600 This is about an observation. So let's imagine in this 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:56.600 thought experiment we're in the twenty fifth century and whoever exists, 0:15:56.600 --> 0:15:59.920 then they're talking amongst themselves and they say, it's extraordinary. 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.520 What happened in the twenty first century? The humans figured 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:07.320 out something that allowed intelligent existence to continue in this 0:16:07.400 --> 0:16:08.920 part of the galaxy. 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.400 What did we do? You us right now? And the primary. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:15.720 Thing we did at Blueprint, which is interesting, is I 0:16:15.760 --> 0:16:18.400 said my mind. I had this experience where in the 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:23.160 evening seven PM, this version of me Evening Brian would 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:24.160 come out and he's a monster. 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:26.320 Okay, that's not to entirely true. 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:30.600 He would be saddled with all of the burdens of life, 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.000 the stresses of the fires at work, that the fights 0:16:33.000 --> 0:16:35.760 with the partner, that the kids are hanging on the legs, 0:16:35.760 --> 0:16:37.200 you know, like you're trying to bathe them and put 0:16:37.240 --> 0:16:40.600 them to bed, and the only thing Evening Brian wanted 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:43.880 was relief from the pain. And he would then think, 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.280 those damn brownies right that the whole ten is there 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:49.800 in the kitchen. It was the only thing he could 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:52.600 do to try to offset the pain he felt in life. 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.680 And so for every night or years, evening Brian would 0:16:56.680 --> 0:17:00.320 show up and eat something and I tried everything I 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:01.000 could to stop him. 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:02.560 I never could. It was just overwhelming. 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:04.600 And one day I said, out of you know, like 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:07.640 almost tongue in cheek eating Brian, you make my life miserable. 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:08.560 You're fired. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.240 And I felt this relief, and so I said, Okay, 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:13.880 this is fun. I'm gonna play with this from five 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.760 pm to ten pm. The version of Brian that runs 0:17:16.760 --> 0:17:21.040 me does not have authority to eat food. No matter what, 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.840 he cannot eat food. He's not responsible. He makes mourning 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.520 Brian hate life. He makes you know, Dad Brian a 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.159 bad dad. And so then I started building this idea 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:35.040 and it developed into this concept where we built an 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:39.760 algorithm using machine intelligence that takes better care of me 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.840