Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three twenty eight,
Speaker 1: Episode five, the grand finale, Season three twenty eight of
Speaker 1: der Daley's I Guys Say production of iHeartRadio. This is
Speaker 1: a podcast where we take a deep dive into America's
Speaker 1: shared consciousness. My body is a resonance chamber, according to
Speaker 1: our guests today, so we believe just a little exploring
Speaker 1: the ranges from up here.
Speaker 2: To that's just a scream to sing, baby to see.
Speaker 1: It's Friday, March eighth, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yes, that means it's National Peanut Cluster Day. National. Hey,
Speaker 2: shout out to all the editors out there. It's National
Speaker 2: proofreading Day. You know what I mean. Proof read your shit,
Speaker 2: proofread your work, you know what I mean. And also, Jack,
Speaker 2: shout out to your birth state. It's National Oregon Day.
Speaker 1: Oregone. Yeah, how about that. It's a national like three
Speaker 1: times eight is twenty four, so that day of the
Speaker 1: month when the first two numbers make the last one.
Speaker 1: So shout out to basic multiplication.
Speaker 2: Is that a thing are you guys doing? Like beautiful
Speaker 2: mind type shit right now?
Speaker 1: Like the dumbest beautiful mind ship. Two plus two equals four,
Speaker 1: four plus two equals six.
Speaker 3: Like I've got the John Nash thing, but it's the
Speaker 3: most basic mask.
Speaker 2: Three a A one.
Speaker 1: Kindergarten, kindergarten, beautiful mind. Anyways, my name is Jack O'Brien aka.
Speaker 1: It's a murder in the back yard. Crows are looking for.
Speaker 4: Some food almonds Gonna make these goddamn birds my friends.
Speaker 4: That has a courtesy of Vicky Sage Murder on the
Speaker 4: Dance Floor about the murder of crows that I want
Speaker 4: to be friends in my backyard. I got some wild
Speaker 4: advice from frequent guests Ben Bolan about how to be
Speaker 4: a friend a murder of crows.
Speaker 1: I should have just like gone directly to him right like.
Speaker 2: It felt a little like spicy where he's like, bro,
Speaker 2: you're how are you going to ask about Corvid's Yeah,
Speaker 2: not hit me up? Is wrong with you? Corvid? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Every time I hear Corvid, I think of your New
Speaker 1: Zealand's accent.
Speaker 2: Thing Corvid, Corvid, Corvid nineteen, Corvid nineteen.
Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be joined as always by my co
Speaker 1: host mister Miles ground.
Speaker 2: Break Old Lead.
Speaker 5: He's a man who's fingers aw soo old they are
Speaker 5: ice called old finger.
Speaker 2: That's obviously Shirley basically from a Goldfinger the titular song
Speaker 2: from the gold Fingers Shout out Ana, Ramic, you and
Speaker 2: sltis for that one, because you know that's yeah. That
Speaker 2: was like when I was first like, you know, messing
Speaker 2: around with making beats. That was like one of the
Speaker 2: first tracks that I sampled because the song starts off
Speaker 2: with this wild brass hits and I was like, oh my,
Speaker 2: just blaze shit back then. But anyway, if you're trying
Speaker 2: to make friends with some.
Speaker 1: Corvids with that wild vocalization, to me, my Hills, we
Speaker 1: are thrilled to be joined in our third seat by
Speaker 1: a wildly talented Ethio American vocalist, songwriter, composer. Her most
Speaker 1: recent album was named among the best albums of the
Speaker 1: year by band Camp in the Sunday Times, She's performed
Speaker 1: on stages all over the world. The host of a
Speaker 1: podcast radio series, Live Show, Please Welcome the brilliantly talented mcley.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Welcome back, returning Champion. How are you.
Speaker 6: I'm I'm really good. I'm feeling sparkly today.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, we like that. We like Yeah,
Speaker 2: people don't know this, but we demand our guest sparkle. Yes,
Speaker 2: you are, but you are covered in sparks sparkling. Yes.
Speaker 2: And how's the weather, rider, how's the weather in the
Speaker 2: Bay Area?
Speaker 6: It has been raining and raining and raining and raining
Speaker 6: and raining and raining and raining, raining and raining and
Speaker 6: raining and raining, but today's kind of.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, we got a peak of sun. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't like that the weather app like suddenly be like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's going to be a torrential downpour in
Speaker 2: like an hour.
Speaker 6: It's not even an hour. It's like it'll be like
Speaker 6: it's all clear, and yet my socks are already soaking
Speaker 6: from being outed for two minutes.
Speaker 1: So you have that wild new AI technology where your
Speaker 1: socks get pre wet before it before it even rains.
Speaker 6: You know what sucks the worst. It's just the worst.
Speaker 6: They just ruin your day anyway.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that and I think I was talking about this,
Speaker 2: I forget where, but when your shoes are so wet
Speaker 2: to the insoles and they're gushing. That's also one of
Speaker 2: my most hated sensations.
Speaker 1: We were talking about that on our basketball podcast, Miles
Speaker 1: and Jackob Matt Boost because there was a Converse shoe
Speaker 1: that was like, oh, Nike you're gonna put air in
Speaker 1: the bottom of your shoes. Well, we're gonna put liquid
Speaker 1: in the bottom of our shoes. React juice. It was like, No,
Speaker 1: people don't like, didn't want they did.
Speaker 6: That sounds gross.
Speaker 2: Squash squash, yeah.
Speaker 1: Like it just that's not what people are looking for
Speaker 1: when they're running around on the basketball court is wet shoes.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing they never made it. That wasn't
Speaker 2: really like the promise, you know, just more that it
Speaker 2: would get I don't know whatever, that somehow the liquid
Speaker 2: reacted to your muice would.
Speaker 6: Bring it back to what the brand intent.
Speaker 1: The physics never made any sense to me whatsoever.
Speaker 2: No, No, there's a commercial. This one's with J. R.
Speaker 2: Ryder from nineteen ninety four. No, Converse shoes would react choice.
Speaker 2: They're super light, you're perfect for you.
Speaker 1: And he comes out.
Speaker 2: But if then he's just dunking a bunch, it's not
Speaker 2: clear what the juice is doing.
Speaker 1: Oh it turned him into a scary were wolf.
Speaker 6: That he's a wolf.
Speaker 7: He's a wolf and some game page you got.
Speaker 2: Anyway, Anyways, the way we were selling things to people,
Speaker 2: Hey yeah, kid, yeah, we got to react juice and
Speaker 2: he turned to a were wolf.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, I guess that's good for basketball. I
Speaker 1: respect it. I respect that there's still room for like
Speaker 1: strange looking sixty eight year old men on TV back then,
Speaker 1: you know, now that would have been Chris Hemsworth trended.
Speaker 2: Rather than like a retired butcher from New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, mclet we're gonna get to know
Speaker 1: you a little bit better in a moment. First, we're
Speaker 1: gonna tell our listeners a couple of the things we'll
Speaker 1: be talking about in a little bit. We're gonna talk.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to meet a new just completely broken
Speaker 1: brain has dropped Freak of the Week, Mark Robinson, the
Speaker 1: GOP candidate for North Carolina governor and man just a
Speaker 1: murderer's row of beliefs that we've got here, truly.
Speaker 2: Now that says a lot when even like the people
Speaker 2: on the writer are like, this guy's a amazing they
Speaker 2: have electability problems, So yeah, we'll dive into those.
Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about the World War two photo of
Speaker 1: the sailor dipping the woman over backwards kissing her in
Speaker 1: Times Square on V Day. It's the I guess it's
Speaker 1: called VJ Day and Times Square it is controversial because
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about consent in that one yea,
Speaker 1: not really questions, just facts about consent that people who
Speaker 1: are familiar with picture, who you know, don't care about
Speaker 1: things like consenter just like, ah, shut up. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about that because that's been in the news
Speaker 1: lately because of the VA banned it from their hospitals.
Speaker 1: And then we're like, psych, we just wanted to do
Speaker 1: make sure you knew that we weren't gonna ban it,
Speaker 1: and so right, I'm.
Speaker 2: Just glad you heard that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna talk about music in the hospital
Speaker 1: because hospitals apparently if they were willing to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more musical and a little less beepy, fewer
Speaker 1: people would die. So all of that plenty more. But first, mcleat,
Speaker 1: we do like to ask our guests, what is something
Speaker 1: from your search history that is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 6: All Right, I was just searching there's this there's like
Speaker 6: a new Apple Plus show called Constellation, and I was
Speaker 6: searching is Constellation horror? Because I started watching it and
Speaker 6: then there are these certain sounds and you're like, wait
Speaker 6: a minute, is this is this sci fi? Or is
Speaker 6: this like sci fi horror because I cannot do horror movies.
Speaker 6: I can't. I don't want to talk about ghosts. I
Speaker 6: don't want to watch nothing about ghosts. I don't want
Speaker 6: to watch nothing about some creepy stuff that's going to
Speaker 6: give me nightmares, or like when I wake up in
Speaker 6: the middle of the night, I think about some kind
Speaker 6: of no, no horror movies. So, yeah, it's Constellation horror.
Speaker 2: But is it horror?
Speaker 6: Well I didn't keep watching.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Like there are these sounds, It's like, oh, this
Speaker 6: is a horror soundtrack. I then one site said yes,
Speaker 6: and I was out. I was like, no, no, I can't.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 6: I can't. I can't do horror.
Speaker 2: Horror. Yeah, a lot of talk of ghostly voices. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: do it. So I don't. I don't like to unwind
Speaker 2: to that kind of stuff either.
Speaker 1: So where does the film Alien fall for you? Have
Speaker 1: you seen the film Alien?
Speaker 6: I have seen it.
Speaker 1: And horror sci fi?
Speaker 6: Well, a horror is a hyphenated horror sci fi. I
Speaker 6: will say that. You know, it's a little bit more
Speaker 6: thriller to me. Yeah, you know, it's like it's like
Speaker 6: it's on the other side of the line. But I
Speaker 6: just get creeped out, Like I wake up in the
Speaker 6: middle of the night a lot because I have a
Speaker 6: four and a half year old, and then yeah, and
Speaker 6: then those things they just like like, that's not what
Speaker 6: I want to be thinking about at three in the morning.
Speaker 6: I just I don't.
Speaker 1: Having a young child really puts you in a lot
Speaker 1: of horror movie settings, Like because you're walking around late
Speaker 1: at night, you don't get as much sleep. You'll wake
Speaker 1: up and there will be a child standing at your bedside,
Speaker 1: just like staring at you, like like a horror movie.
Speaker 1: Like that shit happens to me all the time. Oh
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: I used to do that. I was checking if my
Speaker 2: mom and my grandma were breathing. Yeah, yeah, And I
Speaker 2: would and then I'll go back to bed. And I
Speaker 2: remember my mom like she would catch me a couple
Speaker 2: of times. She'd be like, please, it's it scares.
Speaker 6: Me, super creepy, And they whisper.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you held a mirror up to their mouth and
Speaker 1: when they fogged it up, you were a red rum
Speaker 1: on it. What I was just making sure you were
Speaker 1: still breathing.
Speaker 2: Breathing.
Speaker 6: God, it's definitely over some kind of line.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so is it the supernatural, like that's
Speaker 1: what you don't funk with.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't funk okay, Okay, So you're fine with
Speaker 2: like a just a regular human guy murderer terrorizing people,
Speaker 2: Like is that okay? Or is that still horror? And
Speaker 2: you're like just morally you're fine with that.
Speaker 1: It sounds like yeah, it sounds like you're gonna cos
Speaker 1: opponent serial killers.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 6: What I'll say is I have stopped watching like all
Speaker 6: of those shows, those like you know, human Killer, blah
Speaker 6: blah blah, true crime. It's all about hurting women. So
Speaker 6: like that I have stopped. I have stopped, but more like,
Speaker 6: oh there it is again. God just noticing how much
Speaker 6: it's that, you.
Speaker 2: Know, right right right? Yeah yeah, well now maybe maybe
Speaker 2: maybe I'll do this Constellation challenge and watch it t
Speaker 2: I no, no, no, no, no, this.
Speaker 9: Is wait well thank you No, yeah, I don't like
Speaker 9: I'm I think it's because like I'm just such a
Speaker 9: like I'm like THC the person like I like to
Speaker 9: be chill, So anything that gets me stressed out, like
Speaker 9: for entertainment.
Speaker 2: I'm like no, no, no, life is already stressful. I
Speaker 2: need to go to the land of not you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 1: I always find it interesting that Star Wars is like
Speaker 1: completely flat lines every time they put it out in China.
Speaker 1: And one of the reasons people point too is that
Speaker 1: China doesn't fuck with ghosts because and like Star Wars,
Speaker 1: cut is just like somebody who died, just like pops
Speaker 1: up and they're like, I'm blue now and I can
Speaker 1: like pass a.
Speaker 2: Long information to you.
Speaker 1: And apparently the Chinese film going audience is just like
Speaker 1: what the fuck like won't even even countenance it. So right,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying a little life hack for people who
Speaker 1: don't fuck with supernatural things but don't mind a nice
Speaker 1: little thriller. Check out the box office performance in China
Speaker 1: to see.
Speaker 2: Right, Oh right, got it? Yeahmark it? Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: If they're more just like it's really weak writing to
Speaker 2: be honest, yeah, you know, like there so much day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can see that. What is something
Speaker 1: you think is underrated?
Speaker 6: Going to bed early, like three times a week. I've
Speaker 6: started going to bed at like eight thirty, and I
Speaker 6: know it sounds so so early, but I've been on
Speaker 6: my like three days a week of eleven hours of sleep,
Speaker 6: and I'm.
Speaker 1: Just, oh my god, I know what.
Speaker 2: I love it you're able to stay in bed that long.
Speaker 2: You can pull off eleven like that, that many hours
Speaker 2: straight of sleep.
Speaker 6: I mean I never used to be able to, but
Speaker 6: once again I will return to the four and a
Speaker 6: half year old. What is it about those little little
Speaker 6: creatures that just requires so much energy? I mean it's
Speaker 6: all it's amazing every but so much energy that like
Speaker 6: eight thirty rolls around and I'm like, I'm I'm done.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah. I got in bed at nine thirty last night.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you can't stay awake.
Speaker 6: Also, there their sleep like rolls over you and.
Speaker 1: Just like so peaceful. They don't have anxiety yet, it's yet,
Speaker 1: except for except for young Miles Gray. Just they're who
Speaker 1: walked over and like make sure you're still breathing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gotta make dude. Yeah, I was fair. I
Speaker 2: mean I was I've always been kind of an anxious. Kids.
Speaker 2: They alive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, take advantage of that. Take advantage of that.
Speaker 1: Like if you're able to sleep eleven hours, god damn,
Speaker 1: I know, but it's my hat's off.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just just a few times a week a few
Speaker 6: times a week.
Speaker 1: Yeah, kids, Yeah, if you can get on the same
Speaker 1: schedule as your kids, like that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. I started going to bed at seven like
Speaker 2: my baby. Yeah all right.
Speaker 6: I think it was the two years of waking up
Speaker 6: ten times a night that did it. Maybe I'm still catching.
Speaker 2: Up from that.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Yeah, sure, sure, sure. I feel like
Speaker 1: my that period just like ruined my nervous system and
Speaker 1: now I just like wake up at four point thirty
Speaker 1: every morning, just like.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, all right everything?
Speaker 1: What is what something you think is overrated?
Speaker 6: High heels one hundred percent over rated? Don't want to
Speaker 6: wear them, don't want to think about them, don't want
Speaker 6: to see them my feet. Like I at one point
Speaker 6: I had all these high heels. I just I threw
Speaker 6: them away and it was so fun. It was like
Speaker 6: it was like I was like, oh, this is the
Speaker 6: time when I actually want to, you know, burn the trash.
Speaker 6: It was it was like it really, high heels, it's
Speaker 6: too much, it's too much, so overrated.
Speaker 2: Did you snap the heel off the shoe like like
Speaker 2: a wishbone, like in a BacT of liberation, You're like, ah,
Speaker 2: like give me another pair.
Speaker 6: That sounds like it would be a wonderful set of release. Yeah,
Speaker 6: maybe next time.
Speaker 2: What are you wearing? Now? What's what's your what's your
Speaker 2: foot game? Like?
Speaker 6: Like now I like fancy sneakers. Yeah, I'm into the
Speaker 6: I'm into the fancy sneakers, especially you know, on stage whatever,
Speaker 6: and then boots. That's it, some fancy sneakers.
Speaker 2: Okay, boots.
Speaker 1: I was talking to somebody who is like a real
Speaker 1: like foot like footwear snob in a way that I
Speaker 1: hadn't encountered, where he was like, well, see, the thing
Speaker 1: is with you with most kids' shoes, the toe box
Speaker 1: is too narrow. You need to let their toes spread out,
Speaker 1: and like most of our shoes, you're like walking in
Speaker 1: a pillow. You can't like grip the ground. You need
Speaker 1: like shoes that have like barely any that make you
Speaker 1: feel like you're walking barefoot. And it all made sense
Speaker 1: to me. Sounds like a lot of work.
Speaker 6: Is that the kind of person who wants you to
Speaker 6: wear the toes that like the shoes that are like
Speaker 6: toe Yeah, totally he.
Speaker 1: Did not, And I asked him a number of times.
Speaker 1: I was like, but you're trying to get me to
Speaker 1: wear those two toe shoes, right, you're part of that
Speaker 1: cult that has the particulated toes at the end of
Speaker 1: the free at the end of the shoe. It's but
Speaker 1: I truly, based on everything he was saying, I can't
Speaker 1: imagine a worse thing for a human foot than fucking
Speaker 1: high heels. Unbelievable. Shouldn't be allowed.
Speaker 2: This is I don't know if you see this. This
Speaker 2: is a video my friend sent me when they went
Speaker 2: to a parent teacher conference of another parent who had
Speaker 2: leather toe shoes. Wow. That's real. Wow those are And
Speaker 2: I was like, they look like if Darth Vader was
Speaker 2: wearing those toe shoes. Like the ascetic of the shoe.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it looks like a costume. It looks
Speaker 6: like a looks like.
Speaker 1: It's like a Christian Bales batman like became like dropped
Speaker 1: LSD and like moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, became skin basically. Yeah. Well, you know, I like
Speaker 2: being foot, so like I'm not like against the idea
Speaker 2: of like something that mimics that, but part of me
Speaker 2: is like I'll just be barefoot, you know, like I
Speaker 2: do a lot of barefoot, like around the house or
Speaker 2: just like if I have to go up the street
Speaker 2: or something. I'm not. I'll go to the mailbox and
Speaker 2: bare feet.
Speaker 6: Really, I mean yeah, so there's in your neighborhood, there's
Speaker 6: no I.
Speaker 2: Know how to I know how to dodge it. Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm nimble, I'm spry, and I can do all. I
Speaker 2: can dance around it. But like as a kid growing
Speaker 2: up like in La, I just was always barefoot, especially
Speaker 2: in the summer, so like the blacktop, like my feet
Speaker 2: like just became accustomed to summer asphalt barefoot. And I
Speaker 2: kind of take that now that's the point of pride.
Speaker 2: Although the bottoms of my feet look terrible. They look
Speaker 2: like flintstone ships.
Speaker 1: But whatever, flintstone ships.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, like you know the ships. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: not not they're not.
Speaker 1: They're but there was a part of the flintstones that
Speaker 1: my brain had blocked out. Oh no, but you're just
Speaker 1: saying that. Like the skin on the bottom of your
Speaker 1: feet is like three inches oh yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: And anytime like I've I've gone to like I remember
Speaker 2: I got like a petticure once when I was working
Speaker 2: on a campaign with all the other campaign people, like
Speaker 2: it was like right after election. It was on election.
Speaker 2: They were like all right, it, work's done. Let's just
Speaker 2: we can treat yourself. Yeah, yeah, it was. It was
Speaker 2: cool because I'd never done it before, and like all
Speaker 2: these people, I was like, no, not go ahead, come on,
Speaker 2: come on. They went, and the amount of time they
Speaker 2: spent on the bottom of my feet, I was like, Oh.
Speaker 1: Did they do the sanding thing, like the cheese grater
Speaker 1: on the bottom of your feet where there's just like
Speaker 1: a pile of grated parmesan.
Speaker 2: They yeah, they put a respirator on and like like
Speaker 2: an air vent like they were cooking at like a
Speaker 2: tepanyaki restaurant or something.
Speaker 6: You needed one of those treatments where the fish come
Speaker 6: and eat the dead skin off your feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that all the time. Yeah. I'm like,
Speaker 2: but then part of me is like, is that really
Speaker 2: good eating on there for you? That good eating? Okay?
Speaker 1: They just give up the fight and they're like, geez enough, Yeah, yeah, right,
Speaker 1: like pandorizer, you get some a one on this. It's
Speaker 1: a little well done.
Speaker 2: Salted a little bit before you come to the damn All.
Speaker 1: Right, let's take a quick break and we'll come back
Speaker 1: and talk about some news. We'll be right back and
Speaker 1: we're back and new Broken Brain just dropped Mark Robinson,
Speaker 1: GOP candidate for North Carolina governor. I had heard tell
Speaker 1: of this man, yeah, but I didn't know the specifics
Speaker 1: I mentioned him.
Speaker 2: You know how Trump said this guy's Martin Luther King
Speaker 2: times too, But are you really the beginning of that
Speaker 2: quote is this guy's Martin Luther King on steroids? Did
Speaker 2: you really see that? That was the first the first
Speaker 2: half of that quote that I missed. I just caught
Speaker 2: him calling him Martin Luther King times too. Because again,
Speaker 2: the GOP is deploying their favorite tactic of being like,
Speaker 2: what if we got a black person to run as
Speaker 2: a Republican and then maybe that'll excuse some of the
Speaker 2: wacky nonsense that they're gonna stay out of their minds
Speaker 2: and how.
Speaker 1: Like businesses pitch things. Now it's like this on steroids. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like that's he's truly being like I think that like
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King and meets George Washington on steroids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this guy's Martin Luther. He's got terrible back acne
Speaker 2: and terrible impulse and rage controlled issues like wait what?
Speaker 2: But yeah, so I feel like, you know, like every
Speaker 2: election cycle we get one or two candidates on the
Speaker 2: right that have just that extra special something you know that.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, an absolute freak that was raised on
Speaker 2: a diet of like Facebook shit posts and Alex Jones.
Speaker 2: And well, this cycle's freak looks to be. As we've said,
Speaker 2: Mark Robinson of North Carolina. He's the lieutenant governor. He's
Speaker 2: running for governor against the state's attorney general, Josh Stein.
Speaker 2: And man, this black man is so maggot out in
Speaker 2: the brain that he comes off like the real Uncle
Speaker 2: Ruckus from The Boondocks. I don't know if you watch
Speaker 2: The Boondocks, but Uncle Rugus, like that's him. Okay, Before
Speaker 2: I run down a list of some of his greatest hits,
Speaker 2: I think it's important to remember that these massive culture
Speaker 2: war grievance candidates do not perform well, as demonstrated in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, as demonstrated by Ron DeSantis. But this
Speaker 2: is what the GP's going with. So here's Mark Robinson
Speaker 2: on the issues. Ready, here we go. On abortion, he
Speaker 2: won't even use the word in public, he said, and
Speaker 2: when he has used the word, he's likened it to slavery.
Speaker 2: Voting rights, he believes women should not be allowed to
Speaker 2: vote lgbt women should not be allowed to vote. Actually
Speaker 2: that he said, we need to go back to the
Speaker 2: time when women weren't allowed to vote voting before that
Speaker 2: meet too nonsense.
Speaker 6: And he's already the lieutenant governor.
Speaker 2: He's already lieutenant governor. LGBTQ issues the end of civilist
Speaker 2: and has also likened them to maggots. Not very great
Speaker 2: civil rights movements. He said, a communist plot to overthrow capitalism,
Speaker 2: and black people actually lost freedoms.
Speaker 1: A communist plot to overthrow capitalism.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean maybe because towards the end, I mean,
Speaker 2: you know, Martin Luther King was speaking a little bit
Speaker 2: more specifically about capitalism, but again his main takeaway though,
Speaker 2: is that black people actually lost freedoms during the Civil
Speaker 2: rights movement. George Soros, he's the mastermind behind Boco Haram
Speaker 2: in Nigeria. The Holocaust never happened, moon Landing, Fake as Hell,
Speaker 2: nine to eleven, Inside Job, Michelle Obama is a man.
Speaker 2: Music industry ram by Satan reparations. Guess what, folks, Black
Speaker 2: people should be paying money back rather than receiving reparations.
Speaker 1: That's just weird that, Like he got the music industry
Speaker 1: one right, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 8: Yeah right, I was like, yeah, you know, kind of
Speaker 8: based on what we're hearing, does not sound great, might
Speaker 8: not be Satan the Dark the Prince of darkness, but
Speaker 8: I you mean that there is there is a there
Speaker 8: is a darkness that hangs over the music industry.
Speaker 2: And I was like, okay, yeah, I mean a nine
Speaker 2: to eleven inside job. I mean I was nineteen at
Speaker 2: one point, but yeah, this is uh but yeah, so
Speaker 2: this guy turned the maga dial up to Jesse Helms
Speaker 2: on crystal meth. And keep in mind that like North
Speaker 2: Carolina voters are like, you know, they're the kind of
Speaker 2: voters that will elect a Democrat as governor like Roy Cooper,
Speaker 2: but then also Trump will win the state as president,
Speaker 2: so they aren't always like it's it's a little bit
Speaker 2: like less idiological sometimes. And you know, while he did
Speaker 2: win the nomination, thirty five percent of Republicans rejected him
Speaker 2: and his terrible beliefs, which is probably more likely to
Speaker 2: help Democrats down ballot than anything. But yeah, it's just this,
Speaker 2: this whole the black Maga shtick is just it just
Speaker 2: obviously reeks of internalized white supremacy. But since you know,
Speaker 2: white supremacists are pulling the strings politically on that side.
Speaker 2: You know, they might as well just keep thinking that again,
Speaker 2: having a black candidate is enough to offset all the nonsense.
Speaker 2: I just listed every type.
Speaker 1: Of white supremacist we have now, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly internalized, outward white supremacist. Curious's right, there's all
Speaker 2: kinds that we have. But yeah, like just going down
Speaker 2: that list, you're like, how do you expect to Okay,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't I haven't
Speaker 2: seen Josh Stein's you know what his platform is either,
Speaker 2: But it's just the this is again we're just starting
Speaker 2: to see the new, the new all stars of the
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four election cycle.
Speaker 1: Have we had a Holocaust denier like running for major
Speaker 1: office like this major in office? That's pretty stag Like,
Speaker 1: that's what did David Duke rum for? That's right? Okay,
Speaker 1: we had.
Speaker 2: A literal clan wizard, you know what I mean? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I but I guess because a lot of people
Speaker 2: are like these are things he said on his Facebook
Speaker 2: from a while back. But either way, these all come
Speaker 2: together to form the we have no Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he'll come through with like the watered down HOLOCAUSTA
Speaker 1: and I'll take I don't know what that even.
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's going to be pressed on it,
Speaker 2: but yeah, this is it's just it's just it is.
Speaker 2: It is wild to see it because I mean there
Speaker 2: was also there there was another person. I mean, Trump
Speaker 2: would always meet with these people, but yeah, running for
Speaker 2: it's not that he's running on that platform, but he'll
Speaker 2: probably do the thing where he's like, oh, I'm not talking,
Speaker 2: but I was just old. I never said anything like that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. He's like, I'm trying to
Speaker 2: focus on denying people body autonic or he'll just like.
Speaker 6: Or he'll just like, you know, run wild off the
Speaker 6: page of the talking points that the Republican Party is
Speaker 6: trying to get it to stick to, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, because those things are so unhinged that it's
Speaker 6: not a person who could like stay focused on like messaging.
Speaker 6: It's just that that is I don't know, but it's like,
Speaker 6: my how many times do I do I end up
Speaker 6: speechless in a day because of like some wild assault,
Speaker 6: Like I'm like, wait, what what?
Speaker 2: Truly truly And he was even saying like he's like,
Speaker 2: you know, Harvey Weinstein and Bill Cosby are being maligned
Speaker 2: like was was his take was a few years ago.
Speaker 2: So he's you know, he's he's on the wrong side
Speaker 2: of everything basically. So you know, I gotta love the consistency. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just gotta make sure everything sir reparations. Nah, yeah,
Speaker 2: we need to be paying money back. I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: not even wrong. They're saying that.
Speaker 1: All the way wrong. He doesn't just want to be
Speaker 1: part way wrong. He's gonna he's gotta follow it through
Speaker 1: to the logical conclusion like this, Each each stance on
Speaker 1: each issue is like a logic puzzle for him, where
Speaker 1: he's like no, no, no, no, no, no no, we gotta go.
Speaker 1: We gotta get every single point of this as.
Speaker 2: Wrongly as possible. Yeah right, so yeah, this is we
Speaker 2: shall see what will happen in the fall. But like
Speaker 2: I said, like having that that, that's probably going to
Speaker 2: motivate some people to come out against him, to vote
Speaker 2: against him. But hey, I don't know, you know, it's
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, we don't know anything right now.
Speaker 6: That times I think this stuff is about the Overton window.
Speaker 6: You'll you know that, like yeah, right that exactly, just
Speaker 6: like make it go so extreme that the people who
Speaker 6: used to look extreme, look moderate. You know, there's like
Speaker 6: because that's just like, what kind of strategy is that.
Speaker 6: That's the only kind of strategy I can logically think
Speaker 6: of that would make any of that make any kind
Speaker 6: of sense.
Speaker 1: And it's much more popular with the Republican voter. Right,
Speaker 1: so they do better in the primary than they're going
Speaker 1: to do in the general.
Speaker 2: Right, exactly exactly, because like I said, in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 2: there were a lot of wild election denialists, you know,
Speaker 2: full hardcore maggot people, and majority of like especially the
Speaker 2: people that like these are Trump's picked, they weren't losing,
Speaker 2: and I remember at the end of the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: two cycle, they were like what are we what's going on?
Speaker 2: What do we do? It's like, it's your platform and
Speaker 2: these absolute clowns that you're running out? What do you mean?
Speaker 2: What's going on? Like have you seen what these people
Speaker 2: say out loud?
Speaker 1: Yeah? But I remember there was a point like after
Speaker 1: twenty twelve where the Republicans were like, we've just got
Speaker 1: to like, you know, triangulate and become more moderate because
Speaker 1: this stuff isn't popular. And instead they went in the
Speaker 1: opposite direction and won the presidential election next time. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, on the one hand that it's like, wow,
Speaker 1: they're really digging their own grave. On the other hand,
Speaker 1: our country there's some wild shit happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's weird because his campaign website, like there's
Speaker 2: nothing about where like the issues. It's just like volunteer events,
Speaker 2: get updates, donate meet Mark the first pair, Like I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna read from his website. This is this is
Speaker 2: how you get to meet him. Quote meet Mark. I
Speaker 2: was I grew up as the ninth of ten children
Speaker 2: in Greensboro. My father was an alcoholic who beat my mother.
Speaker 2: He died when I was in the fifth grade, and
Speaker 2: I was terrified. Damn wow. I was like, he's coming
Speaker 2: out with that, Like it's like whoa, Okay, lot of
Speaker 2: lot of heavy shit there. But then we go through
Speaker 2: there's really nothing about like what his you know, like
Speaker 2: the nothing that reflects just how extreme he is on anything,
Speaker 2: because he probably can't put like on the issues abortion.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna be like won't use the word in public,
Speaker 2: you can't have that. But hey, there's I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: still time for the consultants to get in. But yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is Donald Trump's favorite pick in North
Speaker 2: Carolina's MLK on steroids, So because I think the other
Speaker 2: thing about that too is Mark Robinson has said he
Speaker 2: does not like Martin Luther King.
Speaker 6: Also, so yeah, well I mean again, did you yeah exactly,
Speaker 6: I mean this guy, yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, that's he's on every Yeah. So yeah, that guy
Speaker 1: was a comedy I guess according to his world.
Speaker 2: Coming over overthrow capitalism the greatest system ever known to man.
Speaker 1: That's right? Who all right? A little bit about the
Speaker 1: photograph VJ. Day in Times Square, famous World War Two
Speaker 1: picture in which a sailor and nurse kiss on the
Speaker 1: street following news that Japan surrendered. It was temporarily like
Speaker 1: there was a memo that went out for the Department
Speaker 1: of Veterans Affairs that was basically saying, this doesn't fit
Speaker 1: the values of the VA anymore. We now know that
Speaker 1: this picture was taken, like was not consensual, and you know,
Speaker 1: we want to foster a quote to foster a more
Speaker 1: trauma informed environment, which is like, okay, where's the catch
Speaker 1: That actually seems like y'all are doing the right thing there.
Speaker 1: And then there was a massive backlash, of course from
Speaker 1: the right. So just to give a little bit more
Speaker 1: background on the photo. The most widely accepted theory is
Speaker 1: that it's George Mendonza and Greta zimmer Friedman, and she
Speaker 1: her account of things is that like, while that looks
Speaker 1: like it could be confused as like a classy kiss
Speaker 1: from like you know, a fella gal, yeah, it is
Speaker 1: in fact a headlock. And like she he just walked up,
Speaker 1: grabbed her, kissed her. And this was like happening kind
Speaker 1: of all over the city, which is also why the
Speaker 1: it's it's gotten this wider sort of reconsiderate reconsideration because
Speaker 1: there was like on that day sailors just running around
Speaker 1: like you know, kissing, groping and like assaulting women and
Speaker 1: even and like young girls and like fighting the cops
Speaker 1: to fight the cops, like tried to step in, they
Speaker 1: would like fight the cops. So it's just this like
Speaker 1: horrifying event that is kind of captured in this photo
Speaker 1: that people have just sort of romanticized over the years.
Speaker 1: The VA was like.
Speaker 10: Maybe we want to not not do that, maybe not,
Speaker 10: And of course the right has freaked out, so Jesse
Speaker 10: Waters of course had to weigh in, and it's just
Speaker 10: the wilder shit I mean it seems like it's a
Speaker 10: clip from mad Men.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking about a photo that is just with
Speaker 2: the history of it, because when you talk to the
Speaker 2: people involved, like the guy just came up and kissed me, Okay,
Speaker 2: here we go is does.
Speaker 1: That look non consensual to you.
Speaker 2: Julie, she doesn't seem to be fighting it.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, no, it's fine.
Speaker 2: She looks into.
Speaker 3: It, look at her hands.
Speaker 6: It's like limped out. She's like, take me right.
Speaker 1: And she was there when the sisters were returning from war.
Speaker 2: I mean, what did she expect? I mean, he's an America.
Speaker 2: Could I bet you that's not only.
Speaker 6: She paid him back with oh wow hah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's a footnote in that actual photo. His wife
Speaker 2: is in the background, right, like girl girlfriend. Yeah, his
Speaker 2: girlfriend that you're going to is in the background of
Speaker 2: that photo.
Speaker 1: Like what the is it?
Speaker 2: Okay? George, and I love that the somehow they're they're
Speaker 2: trying to forensic analysis on a still photo. Truly, uh again,
Speaker 2: Like because I think all of it leads back to
Speaker 2: how especially World War two is like treated as this,
Speaker 2: like like the one time it's okay to fucking do war,
Speaker 2: Like that's the good one it's the it's the clean war,
Speaker 2: it's the good war. And I think anything that begins
Speaker 2: to to pick that apart, of course, they're going to
Speaker 2: begin to freak out because then that opens up a
Speaker 2: larger discussion of what is armed conflict and what's its
Speaker 2: place in our in our world.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 6: I also think it's just part of like the inability
Speaker 6: to reimagine our symbols, to like look at the symbols
Speaker 6: that we that like that the country is kind of
Speaker 6: built on and actually like think what's really going on here?
Speaker 6: What's the what are you know? And so it's just
Speaker 6: a kind of like it's the same thing that's happening
Speaker 6: in the last several years with monuments, like what does
Speaker 6: it really mean to like lift these images up and
Speaker 6: these you know, frozen moments in time. But we have
Speaker 6: to we have to do that work, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, truly, and then again we see the resistance
Speaker 2: to it, which is to completely be like, no, Stonewall
Speaker 2: Jackson was a good man. He was and he was
Speaker 2: just he was merely on the side of of you know,
Speaker 2: business and commerce.
Speaker 7: It has nothing to do with with with with slavery
Speaker 7: or white supreme Oh gosh, Like why do we have
Speaker 7: to begin opening this candle worms and a lot of
Speaker 7: people like I think she was even saying, She's like,
Speaker 7: my hand was down there because I was being careful
Speaker 7: about my skirt.
Speaker 1: Trying to kiss my skirt from going up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not because I was swooning that some man just
Speaker 2: grabbed me on the street and kissed me on the mouth. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and it was just wild too, how like like for
Speaker 2: the anniversary that they tried, they made them repose that
Speaker 2: for that photo like in the eighties.
Speaker 1: Yeah, holy nineteen eighty. But anyways, so VA officials like
Speaker 1: who should maybe be taking things like this very seriously,
Speaker 1: are now being like that that was an error. We
Speaker 1: actually didn't mean to send that memo. You weren't supposed
Speaker 1: to get that, which is especially galling because yeah, the whoops,
Speaker 1: that was actually we didn't even mean to send. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean to hit.
Speaker 2: Some disregard my last dam disregard.
Speaker 1: Didn't mean to hit sent. But yeah, the VA, you
Speaker 1: would they would want to be cleaning up their image
Speaker 1: right now, considering that they're hot off the heels of
Speaker 1: a scandal in which a whistleblower prompted an investigation into
Speaker 1: widespread sexual harassment via Secretary Dennis McDonough, the guy who
Speaker 1: so vehement ly wants to keep the photo, was specifically
Speaker 1: accused of helping to shield allegations from the public and
Speaker 1: congressional scrutiny. So yeah, that maybe was why they initially
Speaker 1: made the right decision, but it's apparently not not going
Speaker 1: to change how much. They're just going to keep their
Speaker 1: fucking head down and yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow too, that's the least she could do. These guys
Speaker 2: just got back from fighting war. I think the real
Speaker 2: story is they were in the street because they thought
Speaker 2: they were about to be shipped off for the full
Speaker 2: scale land invasion of Japan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then they found out that and.
Speaker 2: Then they weren't, so they're like, oh great, yeah, we
Speaker 2: don't have to anymore. It's just like, yeah, there's just
Speaker 2: so many elements to it that like, yeah, it's interesting
Speaker 2: how we've enshrined that image, especially to be sort of
Speaker 2: like this like this wholesome, like being like and this
Speaker 2: is the wholesome punctuation after we've dropped Adam bombs on civilians.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but then the minute that that wholesomeness is questioned,
Speaker 6: it's like the language just becomes rapey. It's like the
Speaker 6: way that it was just like like a what's the problem?
Speaker 1: Look at her, body, lang, she's asking for she she's
Speaker 1: loving it.
Speaker 2: Look at us exactly. I mean, that's not all she did?
Speaker 2: What what?
Speaker 1: Holy shit? For real? Yeah? Just the version of events
Speaker 1: that Jesse Waters was setting up is that like, so
Speaker 1: that's the day that Japan surrendered and those guys immediately
Speaker 1: got home, like Japan surrendered and then they just came
Speaker 1: home from what they were.
Speaker 3: Acted back Yeah hot damn yeah, and they and they
Speaker 3: may have fought or whatever, but again it's just like
Speaker 3: this weird logic too that suddenly that they had to
Speaker 3: be like, okay, well if she didn't like it, then
Speaker 3: the next thing to way to justify it is that
Speaker 3: people who have fought in a war have carte blanche
Speaker 3: to do whatever they want.
Speaker 1: Body Yeah, sounds like a good policy, guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we expect nothing less from Jesse Waters. I mean, like.
Speaker 1: Jesus are truly really yeah, thoroughly fascist. But in this case,
Speaker 1: like I do feel like they're probably I don't know,
Speaker 1: like I feel like a lot of Americans are just
Speaker 1: like don't take that one from me. Come on, that's
Speaker 1: that's right, said, I've seen that postcard before. Don't make
Speaker 1: me change my mind about it. Right, Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: in a dang Coke commercial.
Speaker 2: I feel like a recreation. I mean that thing has
Speaker 2: been like that brain Yeah, yeah, no, truly, Yeah, just
Speaker 2: let it go. Yeah, I mean yeah, mclet your point
Speaker 2: about just the imental the amount of like neural energy
Speaker 2: it takes to be like, can I rewire my brain
Speaker 2: to see this in a different way without it being
Speaker 2: sort of like being the embodiment of the sanctity of
Speaker 2: World War two? Right, it's very tough for people, and
Speaker 2: I'm sure like especially for like these like Americans, Like,
Speaker 2: but my grandpa was like one of those guys like yeah,
Speaker 2: and he may have been a fucking freak too.
Speaker 1: My grandpa was kissing gals and they liked it. Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's uh, let's take a quick break and we'll come
Speaker 1: back and talk about music in the hospital. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back and we're back.
Speaker 2: We're back, We're back. Okay.
Speaker 1: Let's see. So there's a story I think we covered
Speaker 1: it on this show. I know it for some reason,
Speaker 1: but about how like lighting in hospitals has been reevaluated
Speaker 1: because for so long it was just putting people off
Speaker 1: their circadian rhythm, and like sleep is such an important
Speaker 1: part of the body being able to heal itself. So
Speaker 1: there's been a whole rethinking of lighting in some hospitals,
Speaker 1: like very like you know, progressive ones, but like to
Speaker 1: try and give people as much sleep as possible when
Speaker 1: they're healing when they're in.
Speaker 2: Hospital, yes, convalescing. But people are.
Speaker 1: Also pointing out like sounds, the soundscape of a hospital
Speaker 1: is super annoying. Yeah, you know, alarms sounding on various devices,
Speaker 1: just it sounds like a fucking casino, like a death
Speaker 1: casino in there. It's just deeps loops like ringing, and
Speaker 1: if you've ever been in there, like with a loved one,
Speaker 1: it's fucking super stressful and like oh yeah yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I can still remember the sound of like an alarm
Speaker 1: that went off when like during the birth of our
Speaker 1: first child. That was like terrifying, and like it's still
Speaker 1: like yeah, So I feel like everybody has those experiences.
Speaker 1: People who work at hospitals, like they they hear those
Speaker 1: sounds in the shower, like in their sleep, wake up
Speaker 1: hearing those sounds.
Speaker 2: It's like the same thing when people get like the
Speaker 2: phantom like phone vibration in their pocket. Yeah you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like did it be And you're like, no, dude,
Speaker 2: you're just so used to it that like sometimes you're
Speaker 2: just getting the phantom ones that your brain's like I
Speaker 2: think maybe maybe people have.
Speaker 1: That with slack. I'm so glad that we're not like
Speaker 1: a overly slack bist company.
Speaker 2: Like I think it's slack.
Speaker 1: I think it's like a little like kind of hollow
Speaker 1: coconut knock is the thing that I've heard.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah. Yeah, Like like
Speaker 2: if you're playing a drum kit made of pistachio shells
Speaker 2: or something, the sound, Yeah, pistachio drum kit, pistasio.
Speaker 6: Kit would just make a good shaker.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: If you were a tiny little like cockroach playing a
Speaker 1: pistachio drum kit maybe, yeah, like then that would be
Speaker 1: base for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing times to plaint Tom Sawyer by rush on there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so the on the presence of beeping alarms
Speaker 1: in hospitals is actually detrimental not just to the staff
Speaker 1: but also to the patients who can't properly rest with
Speaker 1: all the noises. And also it just like blends into
Speaker 1: this like fog of sound that makes it harder for
Speaker 1: people who work at the hospital to like recognize and
Speaker 1: be aware of because there's just so many of them. Apparently,
Speaker 1: like the alarms are only actually accurate like fifteen percent
Speaker 1: of the time. Irrelevant, yeah, relevant, fifteen percent of the time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, the desensitization to beeps created by alarm fatigue
Speaker 1: led to quote a reported five hundred and sixty six
Speaker 1: alarm related deaths between two thousand and five and twenty ten,
Speaker 1: according to the FDA. And I mean, I'm sure that's
Speaker 1: not counting every single one of them, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: But that's interesting that they're saying, like the solution is
Speaker 2: to have something more melodic or more musical or more
Speaker 2: quote percussive with his quote short bursts of high frequency
Speaker 2: energy like a xylophon's ping. But I guess in a
Speaker 2: study show that that was just like actually it was
Speaker 2: a little bit more effective than just a which I
Speaker 2: guess I get.
Speaker 1: Right, Like all of the current soundscape comes from a
Speaker 1: time when you had machines that could like you're like,
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna put this tiny little thing on
Speaker 1: it sound maker thing on the machine, and that it
Speaker 1: can make one sound but now we're at a place
Speaker 1: where you don't you don't need that, like you can you.
Speaker 2: Could play Tom Sawyer by Rush there really.
Speaker 1: Is that like patient is dying.
Speaker 2: I don't know. That's just kind of hard, you know,
Speaker 2: because I feel like melody is so fun. I think
Speaker 2: what I think Quincy Jones said, melody is the voice
Speaker 2: of God or whatever. So to put that in like
Speaker 2: a medical context, I mean, I don't know, Like I
Speaker 2: don't know if you want to create a bad connotation
Speaker 2: or something when suddenly something's like standing alive and you're like, oh, ship,
Speaker 2: like someone's.
Speaker 6: Crashing, but you have you could you could like here's
Speaker 6: the thing I would be worried about is that they
Speaker 6: would turn hospital sounds into like hold music, you know
Speaker 6: how like hold. Like if you give a company, oh,
Speaker 6: that's like the so who's gonna make it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 6: You give a company like the ability to like decide
Speaker 6: about music, it's gonna be something even more awful. Like
Speaker 6: you could actually you could actually like commission some musicians
Speaker 6: to collaborate with like like acousticians and doctors, Yeah, and
Speaker 6: make something together that would be kind of interesting.
Speaker 1: That would be super interesting. It would create jobs, you
Speaker 1: could have like musicians like DJs. You know how many
Speaker 1: out of work DJs they're about to be, Like an
Speaker 1: entire generation wanted to be DJs, like you. Just every
Speaker 1: intensive care unit has a DJ. That's just like channeling
Speaker 1: the information to like create like a sound scape that
Speaker 1: alerts everybody.
Speaker 2: But then people are turning up too much and yeah,
Speaker 2: not doing their job.
Speaker 6: But I still don't see like as a musician, I
Speaker 6: still don't see how you would like, there's no way
Speaker 6: for it to not be a cacophony because it's so
Speaker 6: many people, it's so many different kinds of information. It's
Speaker 6: it's it's like there's the rhythmic ad Like you can't
Speaker 6: actually do it rhythmically because you would be having so
Speaker 6: many rhythms on top of each other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, start probably having polly.
Speaker 6: But there's definitely a way to make better sounds. Just
Speaker 6: like I was thinking, like a glockenspiel. You know how
Speaker 6: nice those are? It was just like people love those.
Speaker 2: You just wait, which.
Speaker 6: You talked about a xylophone. It's kind of like a xylophone,
Speaker 6: but it's much but it's much more like it gets
Speaker 6: your attention.
Speaker 1: But it's sler right, that makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that.
Speaker 1: So they have studied this and they said that sounds
Speaker 1: with percussive timber, many of which contain short bursts of
Speaker 1: high frequency energy, such as wineglasses clinking or xylophones, are
Speaker 1: actually much better for getting people's attention, and they stand
Speaker 1: out from like things that are loud flat tones that
Speaker 1: lack high frequency components, like a reversing trucks beep.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: That's the example of the thing that doesn't get our attention,
Speaker 1: the reversing drugs. I think you'd want to fucking like
Speaker 1: not like lock that one in the thing that's like
Speaker 1: gonna could just like back over an entire family of humans.
Speaker 2: I feel like that, don't mess with that one. You know,
Speaker 2: we've all accepted we do know what that is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're like, okay, that's that's something backing up. But I
Speaker 2: think maybe we have the space to do that. And like,
Speaker 2: to your point, it sounds like McLean, like there are
Speaker 2: artists musicians that have been enlisted to like help make
Speaker 2: things sound better.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yoko k Sen in twenty seventeen, an electronic musician
Speaker 1: who worked with healthcare companies to revamp the soundscapes and
Speaker 1: hospitals and design new sounds for at home cardiac monitors.
Speaker 1: Even back in the eighties, people were experimenting with this.
Speaker 1: One guy came up with an elaborate series of melodies
Speaker 1: that would signal different patient problems, but doctors and nurses
Speaker 1: ultimately found it confusing. Like we kind of suspected, right,
Speaker 1: this is also like just as synthpop was kind of
Speaker 1: becoming popular, so I'm assuming there was like a lot
Speaker 1: of just a lot of synth. It's a little synth
Speaker 1: heavy for me.
Speaker 2: It's like, does it have to be rocket by Herbie Hancock? Like, okay, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: that that might be a little bit tough. It's like, wait,
Speaker 2: what does that mean again, Beverly Hills, someone's axel lead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that idea was rejected by the International Organization
Speaker 1: for Standardization, But then they okayed another musical strategy with
Speaker 1: alarms inspired by the NBC chime the Yoe oh chant
Speaker 1: from Wizard of Oz And then it was like a disaster. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they ended up having to come back and be like,
Speaker 1: so the thing we tried while our head was in
Speaker 1: the right place, these sounds that we chose were quote
Speaker 1: basically terrible, basically terrible voice, that terrible is such a
Speaker 1: great thing to say about the massive decision that you
Speaker 1: went with. We ultimately went with some sounds that were
Speaker 1: basically terrible, But I don't know like that we This
Speaker 1: kind of came up recently when we were talking about
Speaker 1: how like the problem that car companies are having to
Speaker 1: solve with you know, electric vehicles being too silent and
Speaker 1: therefore dangerous for people who don't hear them coming. And
Speaker 1: so they have been working with internal engineers, but also
Speaker 1: film scorers and you.
Speaker 2: Know composers, Yeah, composers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they've been working with composers from the world of
Speaker 1: film to like try and create unique sound signatures so
Speaker 1: that it makes sense to me that you would do
Speaker 1: that to hospitals, right, I mean you.
Speaker 2: Could do it.
Speaker 6: Like thinking about the way a space sounds is just
Speaker 6: a good thing, Like it is a less high stakes environment.
Speaker 6: But have you ever been to a restaurant and it's
Speaker 6: so loud just from people talking that you can't actually
Speaker 6: hear the person in front of you. It's like because
Speaker 6: they haven't thought at all about how sound is going
Speaker 6: to carry in that space, and then they created an
Speaker 6: experience where you're like, actually, I want to get out,
Speaker 6: or maybe they're trying to make you get out quickly
Speaker 6: because they want to turn around, you know, turn over tables. Yeah, So,
Speaker 6: like there's so much room to think about the way
Speaker 6: that sound works in our spaces and actually make life
Speaker 6: more pleasant and save hundreds of lives, like like they're
Speaker 6: saying in that report.
Speaker 2: Because it might not just be like, well, you know,
Speaker 2: the thing is, we just got to start using ring
Speaker 2: tones like we used to back in the day. Like
Speaker 2: this one can play like My Humps by Black Eyed Peas,
Speaker 2: and then this one can play I'm a Hustler by Cassidy,
Speaker 2: remember that one feature in jay Z. Like that's not
Speaker 2: gonna like versus Tom Sawyer, but like what sonically makes
Speaker 2: sense rather than like just beeps and boom, you know,
Speaker 2: like is there another way that doesn't necessarily to be music,
Speaker 2: But we are thinking of what the sound can be
Speaker 2: that cuts through, that stands out, that is clinically relevant,
Speaker 2: I think was the term that they were using.
Speaker 1: One of the best like examples of sound design that
Speaker 1: I've ever experienced in like a physical setting was when
Speaker 1: we were in the war, like the birthward for our children,
Speaker 1: and they had like this little like harpsichord that played
Speaker 1: basically every time a new human dropped, like every time
Speaker 1: they're a new baby, they would just like play this
Speaker 1: thing and you would be like, ah, a new new
Speaker 1: soul like dropped like a like a Looney Tumbes thing
Speaker 1: was like like a yeah, yeah, like a really gentle
Speaker 1: harp sound, and that was like, hey, we just just
Speaker 1: burst another one.
Speaker 6: Right, that's so wonderful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really nice.
Speaker 6: It's like a it's almost like a community building thing
Speaker 6: or like a hate you can do it too, or
Speaker 6: like yeah, you know, it's it's an encouragement.
Speaker 1: We do this all the time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is one of the most new baby yeah,
Speaker 2: like yah, don't do that.
Speaker 1: And then on the other end, like if they went
Speaker 1: to an ICU, every time someone dies, they get the
Speaker 1: Hanshimmer like whoah from the inception.
Speaker 2: To yeah right, which you could also do harp too,
Speaker 2: you know, just to show that it's it's all just
Speaker 2: that in reverse with maybe like some whispering in reverse,
Speaker 2: or just to take away that sort of connotation that
Speaker 2: it's still like it's peaceful, you know.
Speaker 1: It is like I have had the thought multiple times
Speaker 1: that like it's kind of weird that chances are the
Speaker 1: last place that you are going to be alive is
Speaker 1: in a hospital where it sounds where it's like bathed
Speaker 1: in fluorescent lighting and sounds like a casino twenty four
Speaker 1: hours a day. Like that's kind of a weird way
Speaker 1: to go out, but feels like it's like kind of
Speaker 1: the place that most people do experience their last time
Speaker 1: on Earth. So it would be if you could just
Speaker 1: like kind of fix the vibes a little bit.
Speaker 2: You know, come on, hospital, let's figure it out. Vibes
Speaker 2: are fucking off in here. The fucked up this cocophonic
Speaker 2: I hate it.
Speaker 1: We got so many great musicians in this world. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, we got one of them on this show.
Speaker 1: Like let's uh, let's go, let's get.
Speaker 2: Got any pitch. What would you do for instead of
Speaker 2: a beep like Lee? What do you think? Like, what's
Speaker 2: what do you think?
Speaker 6: Well, first of all, there's so many sounds that seem
Speaker 6: to me, like like if you think about it, the
Speaker 6: heartbeat monitor where it's like it beeps in every it's
Speaker 6: like a regular thing that I don't understand why that's necessary,
Speaker 6: Like why is it it should be that it beeps
Speaker 6: when it's irregular? Like here's something to pay attention to, right,
Speaker 6: So I would just cut out all first thing I
Speaker 6: would do is just cut out everything that is not
Speaker 6: giving me that information that that's not giving me relevant information, right,
Speaker 6: because it's not like the nurses in there listening to it.
Speaker 6: I'm the one listening to it. That makes no sense
Speaker 6: to me. So I would just cut a bunch of
Speaker 6: stuff that was, you know, or somebody tell me why
Speaker 6: is it necessary? And maybe I'm just not seeing the
Speaker 6: whole picture. That's possible, but then I think, I mean,
Speaker 6: I would do things in high registers like trumpets, you
Speaker 6: know those cut a lot right, nothing in any base tones.
Speaker 6: But you could also have a thing where you could
Speaker 6: kind of choose, you know, like if you were a
Speaker 6: doctor and you're like, these are the sounds that like
Speaker 6: there's some kind of level of personalization, you could see it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in too, you know, like I only know this.
Speaker 2: I only respond to the sound of a digital cow
Speaker 2: bell on a eight to oho eight. That's just all
Speaker 2: of that.
Speaker 6: Just turn it into that or like or like people
Speaker 6: like I could see a lot of light information like
Speaker 6: have you ever seen like how fire alarms also flash
Speaker 6: right for people who are hearing impaired. That's also vary.
Speaker 6: That we're such visual people, that should also happen, like, okay,
Speaker 6: there's a code blue, I want a visual flashing bite
Speaker 6: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, huh, we got we got work to do.
Speaker 1: The heartbeat monitor is pretty iconic, but it's had a
Speaker 1: good like the you know, it's a it's a sound
Speaker 1: that has really done a good job. I don't I
Speaker 1: don't want to just dismiss it out of hand. It's
Speaker 1: it's been putting in great work for many years. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the sound of a flat line, I mean nothing, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's just yeah, that's that's a little alarming, you know.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Like that's when the like heart rate begins to like
Speaker 2: like rise rapidly or decline rapidly, then like give that
Speaker 2: a sound like to mcleat's point, But again, I'm not
Speaker 2: a cardiologist. I'm not a medical professional. I'm somebody who
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 1: Yourself.
Speaker 2: Well, my license was taken away, but that's because this
Speaker 2: the state board is fucking ran by a bunch of
Speaker 2: losers who don't know what they're.
Speaker 1: Doing, run by satan, just like the industry. Well, mclee,
Speaker 1: what a pleasure having you on the Daily Zeitgeist. Where
Speaker 1: can people find you? Follow you all that good stuff?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: I got a new album dropping today, y'all, so hey,
Speaker 6: find me in all the places Mattley music dot com.
Speaker 6: That's also all my handles m E K L I
Speaker 6: T Music. Yes, yes, y'all, it's called Eto Blue, the
Speaker 6: new EP amazing.
Speaker 1: And is there a work of media that you've been
Speaker 1: enjoying besides your new album?
Speaker 6: I really enjoyed the uh Mister and Missus Smith on
Speaker 6: Amazon Prime the Donald Blover did it was really good?
Speaker 1: It's really good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what a blast.
Speaker 1: Miles. Where can people find you? What's working media you've
Speaker 1: been enjoying?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Find me on the app based platforms at Miles of
Speaker 2: Gray Fine Jack and I on.
Speaker 11: The basketball podcast Find yeah, Josh Gondolman was what a
Speaker 11: that guy telling you absolutely guy freak a freak free,
Speaker 11: the nicest guy I've ever met.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then also find me on four twenty Day
Speaker 2: Fiance talking about ninety day Fiance. Is there a tweet
Speaker 2: I liked? Yeah, there's a couple. One is from at
Speaker 2: j towrch ten thirty one. It says reading way above
Speaker 2: my grade level did not get me as far in
Speaker 2: life as I had hoped. Yeah, look it levels out
Speaker 2: at a certain point. And then another one is like,
Speaker 2: this is really only kind of funny, I think to
Speaker 2: basketball fans, you know how, like in a broadcast, you'll
Speaker 2: see the referee come over to the scorge table to
Speaker 2: like explain what's going on, like, okay, were the plays
Speaker 2: under review or whatever? Who is this? This is Jason
Speaker 2: Gallagher at jg A four to one a g h
Speaker 2: e R posted a picture that with a ref at
Speaker 2: the scores table but looking down the camera and says, hey,
Speaker 2: can I do a titos and soda with extra line
Speaker 2: and I'll just close it out. I appreciate you broke
Speaker 2: it like that bartender like you at the bar. He's
Speaker 2: also got his arms on display. He's really like the triceps.
Speaker 2: You know, y'all know what's up.
Speaker 1: A couple tweets I've been enjoying Andrew oh at the Overdall,
Speaker 1: who I think has been on this podcast. Andrew Overdal
Speaker 1: tweeted me to my dogs, I'm gonna feed you the
Speaker 1: best food I can so you can live such long,
Speaker 1: healthy and happy lives. Me to me another red baron
Speaker 1: pizza for you, fuck face. And then Zach Dunn tweeted, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like west Wing all right, west Wing on the
Speaker 1: ground with my friends. It's just cute west Wing. I
Speaker 1: will west Wing. You can find me on Twitter at
Speaker 1: Jack Underscore O Brian you can find us on Twitter
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Speaker 1: Zeiguist dot com. Worry post episode codes and our footnote
Speaker 1: we link off to the information that we talked about
Speaker 1: in today's episode, as well as a song that we
Speaker 1: think you might enjoy. Miles is the song you think
Speaker 1: people might I.
Speaker 2: Think just ride out on the well. See the song
Speaker 2: that is out from the album Etial Blue is. I
Speaker 2: was listening to it, So we'll go off to the
Speaker 2: titular track from mclet eto Blue. The track is really dope.
Speaker 2: I love the piano playing like you can you feel
Speaker 2: the Ethiopian this, you know, just in the scales that
Speaker 2: are being used and the saxophone and everything. It's just
Speaker 2: for my lovers of music from across the world. I
Speaker 2: think this is a really dope track for you to
Speaker 2: get into and if you're not expand your horizons with
Speaker 2: the work of mcleat. So this is etial Blue from mcleat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we will link off to that in the footnote.
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, we'll be in Austin for Sunday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for Sunday. We'll hey, you're hearing this. We're in
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