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Speaker 1: Woke up, Wake up, Wake up, Wake up.

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Speaker 2: The program your alarm to power one oh five point

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Speaker 2: one on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Good Morning Usa.

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Speaker 4: Yo yo yo yo yo Yo.

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Speaker 5: Jesse Lorian, Good morning, Charlamage the guy he stead up playing.

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Speaker 6: It is Monday.

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Speaker 2: Martin Luther King Junior day back right, salutha MLK man

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Speaker 2: makes civil rights.

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Speaker 1: Make some noise y'all with the A could you stop?

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Speaker 1: How old do you have been? Make some noise? Ninety six?

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Speaker 2: Yes, make some noise y'all with the F. And you know,

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Speaker 2: it's a lot of times we say people could have

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Speaker 2: been at a certain age, But Martin ver King Jr.

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Speaker 2: Truly could have still been here on this planet ninety

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Speaker 2: six yeo, ninety six years old if he wasn't, you know,

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Speaker 2: tragically murdered and taking away from us back in the day.

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Speaker 2: Because think about it, Andrew Young is still alive. Who

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Speaker 2: will be replaying his interview, you know, later today, and

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Speaker 2: he was a top scratategist for Martin Luther King Jr.

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Speaker 2: Reverend Jesse Jackson is still alive. Like there's so many

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Speaker 2: people from the civil rights movement. That was with Martin

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Speaker 2: Luther King Jr. That is doctor Martin ul King Jr.

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Speaker 1: That is still alive. Today's right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, so today on the show, we're going to

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Speaker 5: play back out interview with andre and O'Brien.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 5: I discussed the interview because I wasn't here that day.

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Speaker 2: I mean Andrew Young, like I said, he was a

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Speaker 2: top strategist for doctor Martin Luther King Junior man, and

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Speaker 2: I mean he really lived it.

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Speaker 1: So I mean Andrew Young. And he was also a

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Speaker 1: former mayor of Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Like Andrew Young's done so many different things, so he'll

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Speaker 2: just be here to talk about himself.

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Speaker 7: He was also being too humble, and that's why mister

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Speaker 7: John O'Brien and to step in, like you'll stop being

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Speaker 7: humble and get him the facts, like tell him. You know,

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Speaker 7: he's such a nice he's such a nice guy.

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Speaker 2: But I think with guys like Andrew Young, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's hard for him not to be humble simply because it.

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Speaker 1: Was just his life. Yeah you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: Like to us, we're looking at it like wow, this

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Speaker 1: is amazing, but to him, he just lived it, just

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Speaker 1: lived it. This is his life. He don't know nothing, no, absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And also we're getting on Abby Phillips.

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Speaker 2: You know why we're getting Abby Phillips on because Abby

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Speaker 2: Phillips put out a book that was about Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 2: It is called uh yes, it was called Jesse Jackson

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Speaker 2: and the Fight for Black Political Power, you know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. So, like I said, these brothers that were

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Speaker 2: actually there with Martin Luther King Jr.

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Speaker 1: Are still alive.

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Speaker 2: Man, So you know, let's let's let's let's let's have

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Speaker 2: conversations about them.

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Speaker 1: All right, we get your ass up. It's the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Come morning. Your time to get it off your chest.

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Speaker 2: Way up, whether you're mad or blast, time to get

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Speaker 2: up and get something.

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Speaker 1: Call up now. Eight hundred five eight five one oh

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Speaker 1: five one. We want to hear from you on the

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Speaker 1: Breakfast Club. Hello.

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Speaker 3: Who's this from Florida?

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Speaker 1: Is Keisha? I see why you upset? Keisha? What Cas

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Speaker 1: you're mad about?

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Speaker 3: You?

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Speaker 1: What I do to Keisha?

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Speaker 8: What you do?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: You know? Child? Report? You want me to tell them?

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Speaker 8: Keisha?

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Speaker 5: No, Keisha said she want to know why Charlemagne don't

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Speaker 5: like fat people white?

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Speaker 1: I don't like fat people.

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Speaker 9: You'll be talking crazy.

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Speaker 4: But no, that's not what I'm said.

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Speaker 3: I want to know why Charlomagnre hates people.

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Speaker 1: I don't hate fat people. Why come and talk to

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Speaker 1: me you do? Tell me why they hate?

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Speaker 3: You hate a lot of people like you, you guys, Charlomagne. Baby,

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Speaker 3: I want you to go listen to Mirror tell yourself,

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Speaker 3: love yourself because you always tell people down, no matter

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Speaker 3: what it costs. And you don't pour into people and

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Speaker 3: build them up unless it pours and builds you up too.

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Speaker 4: And that's the problem you need.

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Speaker 2: You need to deal with that.

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Speaker 3: That's the man you're You're somewhat attractive.

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Speaker 2: You don't have easy to be such a shirt like

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Speaker 2: you got listening. Listen, Keisha, now really listen. Yes, I

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Speaker 2: am somewhat attractive. Why do you think I hate fat people?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 4: Other comments about the five people and the airlines where

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Speaker 4: Lauren's doing, you have all these things to say about

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Speaker 4: Loin and her relationships, want to sell just say something

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Speaker 4: you can just know you you're a hater in general, baby,

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Speaker 4: and I mean that comes from some kind of hate

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Speaker 4: the things. So you need to deal with that. Like

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Speaker 4: you to like to read self help books, but only

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Speaker 4: for entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Clearly because nothing's sticking you.

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Speaker 1: What a big person? Do you nothing?

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Speaker 2: And I just don't agree with the fact that you know,

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Speaker 2: I agree with the fact that's Southwest Airlines needs to

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Speaker 2: make them pay for another airline.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but even.

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Speaker 10: Before that, because then you remember like when you and

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Speaker 10: recent Tisa had a dang.

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Speaker 1: You remember her when I said about recent.

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Speaker 4: Shig me baby, got start me baby, That's what I'm

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Speaker 4: talking about.

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Speaker 2: When we first heard recent TEASER's voice, I just said,

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Speaker 2: she sounded like she was heavy set.

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Speaker 1: You are you heavy set? I am?

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Speaker 8: I am.

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Speaker 4: I'm a proud three hundred and seventy one pounds on

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Speaker 4: a problem and that's the only problem. Three seventy one,

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Speaker 4: you white baby, three six kids because it's Cody cat

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Speaker 4: good six kids. They can't stay out of it? Okay,

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Speaker 4: no good? How tall are you five six of the house?

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Speaker 1: No, you're height five to six? Oh she said five

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Speaker 1: six and a half five six.

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Speaker 5: And a half.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: You said, you hater.

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Speaker 4: You blocked your own years from hearing baby.

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Speaker 10: Ladyship sound through seventy one.

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Speaker 2: Listen, God bless Keisha and everything that Keisha's saying.

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Speaker 1: Go off.

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Speaker 5: Keisha Keisha, I'm just saying I'm getting off job number two,

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Speaker 5: about to take my kids to school and go to.

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Speaker 4: Job number one because I'm a hustler and a baller

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Speaker 4: like that can for a little extra sheet is nothing

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Speaker 4: because I don't want to sit next because nobody anyway.

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Speaker 4: I don't like getting closed up on people like that.

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Speaker 4: I do that because I'm in the healthcare field. So

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Speaker 4: when I'm on my free time, get out my fate.

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Speaker 2: You're speaking the number ones and number three is what's

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Speaker 2: your favorite fast food?

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, you have a good day.

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Speaker 4: I don't hassling, Okay, I like DJ Steakhous. Get on

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Speaker 4: my level, feed into people, turn into people because nothing.

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Speaker 3: Could be nice because nothing give love.

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Speaker 1: I love you, I appreciate you. I love you, and

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Speaker 1: I respect you.

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Speaker 2: I love you and I respect you so so much.

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Speaker 4: Keisha, No, you don't, because as soon as it's falls over,

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Speaker 4: you're gonna talk so much crap about me. It's not

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Speaker 4: even want to be showing me except to.

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Speaker 10: You say you.

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Speaker 4: I listen to the show every day. You are haters

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Speaker 4: and the man I mean to love you whatever hurt

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Speaker 4: little boy is still in there crying out. Give them

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Speaker 4: some attention, some love, and some road.

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Speaker 3: We need some whole books, take notes and let something

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Speaker 3: sick because who yes, if somebody needed to tell you

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Speaker 3: some some some ain't.

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Speaker 4: Right, some at right. I'm glad you got your family back,

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Speaker 4: that's true, but I mean work on.

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Speaker 9: You know she was listening to me yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Listen you spread that lie, Lauren, hold I got my

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Speaker 2: family back.

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Speaker 1: My family.

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Speaker 10: I'm talking about when you got in trouble. You had

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Speaker 10: to get your life right with your wife.

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Speaker 1: Remember that never happen. You look at that guy. The

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Speaker 1: envy that happened. The envy, Yeah, hey, that was it

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Speaker 1: was both of y'all. No, it was not. That was envy. Okay,

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Speaker 1: shout out.

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Speaker 10: To good saying that, I don't know, I'm good saying

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Speaker 10: that to you. Yesterday you told me I was going

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Speaker 10: to be a Sigehu.

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Speaker 2: Keisha is five sick and Keisha is five six and

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Speaker 2: a half three seventy one.

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Speaker 1: Yes he is. Whoa Keisha? You have a great day.

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Speaker 1: She works in the healthcare business, so she probably a nurse.

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Speaker 2: I think me and Keisha needed to learn to love

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Speaker 2: ourselves a little.

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Speaker 1: Bit more, saying you have a good morning.

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Speaker 5: Damn Dan, he's working two three jobs. You got six kids.

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Speaker 5: I wish, I wish I could gain. I would have

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Speaker 5: paid for Keisha lunch today.

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Speaker 1: Why lunch? Because it's why?

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Speaker 10: Why you don't know she needs she might need to

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Speaker 10: up on her car.

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Speaker 1: It's because I'm gonna do like fifty dollars for lunch.

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Speaker 2: I'll pay Kim's Olympic shots. I'll pay for her Keisha,

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Speaker 2: God blessed Keisha.

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Speaker 1: Tho man talk about I'm gonna pay for lunch today,

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Speaker 1: that's what you say? Show I paid for people's lunch.

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Speaker 2: Why? Well, we got all these Golden Corral certificates around here.

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Speaker 2: Why you need to pay for Kess? We got all

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Speaker 2: these Golden Carrol certificates. She can even go to crowd

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Speaker 2: for a year for free, and you want to pay

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Speaker 2: for a.

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Speaker 5: Lunch, Get it off your chest. Eight hundred five eighty five,

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Speaker 5: one oh five one. If you need to vent, hit

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Speaker 5: us up now, it's the breakfast club.

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Speaker 1: Good morning, allow, who's this?

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Speaker 7: Hi?

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Speaker 11: Ciara? I used to be neighbors with Charle Mane. My

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Speaker 11: grandmother used to hit on him in the elevator.

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Speaker 1: How many men did you see going in and out

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Speaker 1: of his place?

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Speaker 2: Good morning, Tiara, Good morning, how are you blessed black.

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Speaker 1: And Holly fair?

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Speaker 2: But how your grandma doing the same as always I will.

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Speaker 11: I'm calling because I'm exhausted from fighting my mental health alone.

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Speaker 11: I lived with severe depression and anxiety and I've well

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Speaker 11: he felt genuinely happy like twice. I'm stuck in the

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Speaker 11: cycle of burnout and the breath relief, and I'm scaredly

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Speaker 11: more of the same. You know, Charlemagne always talks openly

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Speaker 11: about letting his mental health, not letting his mental health

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Speaker 11: stop his success. And you know that's why I'm reaching out.

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Speaker 11: I'm a creative person who feels like life has been

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Speaker 11: grinding me down. I'm starting to lose a person I

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Speaker 11: used to be, and I used to be the best.

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Speaker 12: I know.

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Speaker 11: I used to be really talented and creative, and I

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Speaker 11: know it's still in there, but I just need some guidance,

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Speaker 11: maybe mentorship or perspective from someone who understands the struggle

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Speaker 11: and how to move forward anyway. And I'm tired, but

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Speaker 11: I'm still trying, and you know that's what I'm calling.

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Speaker 1: I totally understand you.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you. I'm gonna got your information, Eddie.

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Speaker 2: Please get to your information. Right, our number down and stuff.

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Speaker 8: Heynd it from New Jersey?

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Speaker 1: Chamade it from Jersey? What Jersey?

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Speaker 8: I can't tell you?

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Speaker 11: All right?

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Speaker 1: Every damn, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: What you mean?

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Speaker 1: Run something? You got warrants?

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Speaker 3: Jerseys A But listen, I'm about to talk about your

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Speaker 8: I'm sick of him. He needs to go for this

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Speaker 2: Travels a loyal breakfast club listener.

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Speaker 8: Yes, I am too, but but darn but listen, get

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Speaker 1: Get a new system from Systems. There's a lot of

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Speaker 5: I don't like when he started calling talking about like

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Speaker 2: Thank you?

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Speaker 9: Man?

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Speaker 5: Let's luthor traff get it off your chest eight hundred

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Speaker 1: If you need to vent, hit us up now. It's

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Speaker 1: the Breakfast Club. Good morning morning.

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Speaker 5: Everybody is dj n V just hilarious. Charlamagne the guy.

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Speaker 5: We are the Breakfast Club, Lawnla Roses here as well.

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Speaker 5: We got some special guests joining us this morning. Yes, indeed,

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Speaker 5: we have a Landy Smith here, good morning, good morning,

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Speaker 5: good morning. We have ce Sir Williams, good morning, good morning.

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Speaker 5: We have Frederica Newton, good morning, and we have fred.

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Speaker 1: Hampton Junior, Good morning morning. How y'all feeling this morning? Man?

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Speaker 14: Were blessed man Black and blessed man blessed Black and

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Speaker 14: Holly favor. Yes, Sir Landy, why we all gathered here

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Speaker 14: today with all these amazing people, brother man. We we

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Speaker 2: So when you when you, I want you all to know, man,

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Speaker 2: see Sir Williams, right, y'all know this legendary picture right

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Speaker 2: here that the brother drinking out of the white's only

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Speaker 1: It was a little bit of both. I was thirsty,

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Speaker 13: But but also this was not the first time I

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Speaker 1: But I did it again and this time it was photographed.

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Speaker 1: Did did you feel fear in that moment? I was

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Speaker 13: This is about fifteen to twenty miles from Orangeburg and

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Speaker 1: But I never sent this picture of the jet.

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Speaker 13: It was something that I held in the family, and

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Speaker 2: What did that single act teach you about the power

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Speaker 13: Living in South Carolina, being a child of segregation, it

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Speaker 5: So crazy to think about it, Like, you know, when

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is crazy. This is what fifty years ago,

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Speaker 2: She said, I don't know nothing about no I don't

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Speaker 14: You know, Yeah, we had, we had Ruby Bridges walked

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Speaker 1: Do y'all hate you, I'm sorry, Do y'all hate white people? God? Damn?

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Speaker 1: All right, And I'm gonna tell you why.

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Speaker 5: When I talked to my my dad has a feeling

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Speaker 13: So that's why I ask you the same well that's

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Speaker 13: that is long gone. And to answer your question, there

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Speaker 2: I was growing up in South Carolina was such a

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Speaker 2: Like there's a.

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Speaker 2: But then I also had my white friend and Thomas

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Speaker 1: So it's just it's just, I don't know, talk kind

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Speaker 15: But the tag team. But you first, I'm chairman, Friend

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Speaker 15: Hunton Jr. I'm honored to be here again. Conspits salute

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Speaker 15: to this brother and his wife, his team. You know

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Speaker 15: it's motivated your moves, how we move. It's a hatred

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Speaker 15: we're talking about the work such organizations. The Black Panther Party.

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Speaker 15: The motivation for getting up with the first free breakfast programs,

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Speaker 15: hatred for anyone, you know what I'm saying, But again,

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Speaker 15: I think all black people should get like a mass

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Speaker 15: Nobel Peace Prize, all of us.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 15: The fact that we just on masks snapped out. You

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Speaker 15: know what I'm saying, You know, not to this iran

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Speaker 15: that we ain't motivated at a hatred. But again, and

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Speaker 15: But again for the record, it's a more got a

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Speaker 16: Like to echo off, I could him Frederica and Hewing

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Speaker 16: was my husband. And what came to mind when you

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Speaker 16: when you even asked that question was quote from Hughie

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Speaker 16: that said what motivates people is not hatred, but it's.

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Speaker 9: Love for other people.

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Speaker 16: So my mother was white, and she introduced me to

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Speaker 16: to do the real estate work. So I couldn't. I

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Speaker 16: did not grow up hating anyone. But what I do

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Speaker 16: hate is white supremacy and the impact on black community. Absolutely,

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Speaker 16: I actually hate that and the impacts of the impact

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Speaker 16: is that the Black Panther Party service was out of love,

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Speaker 16: So it's impossible for me to hate anybody.

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Speaker 1: Lannie.

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Speaker 14: Why was it important to have these historical black figures

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Speaker 14: yea walk into Actively Black fashion show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: So one the tagline for Actively Black is there's greatness

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Speaker 14: in our DNA and very intentional about that because I

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Speaker 14: think over the centuries of oppression, subconsciously our people have accepted.

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Speaker 1: Now I won't say accepted.

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Speaker 14: Sometimes it seeks into our subconscious that we are less than,

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Speaker 14: not as good as this is what has been told

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Speaker 14: to us, this is what has been preached to us

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Speaker 14: for centuries. I'm trying to rewrite that narrative. I'm trying

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Speaker 14: to deprogram and reprogram our own people to understand that

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Speaker 14: there's greatness in our DNA. It's literal greatness in the

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Speaker 14: DNA that walked on that runway. When you see Malcolm

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Speaker 14: and Martin's daughters walk on that runway together. That DNA

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Speaker 14: is something that has that has moved mountains, that has

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Speaker 14: changed lives, you know what I'm saying, And that exists

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Speaker 14: within all of us. So it was important for our

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Speaker 14: people to see that, to know that we are more

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Speaker 14: than just our trauma, you know what I mean. We

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Speaker 14: have so much greatness inside of us, and if we

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Speaker 14: start acting out of that greatness, that's how we can

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Speaker 14: change things for our community.

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Speaker 5: How difficult was it getting everybody in and how how

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Speaker 5: long did it taken?

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Speaker 1: It was?

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Speaker 14: It was stressful. One there was a white supremacist who

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Speaker 14: was killed by another white man and about a week

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Speaker 14: before our show, and yeah, yeah, and it sent some

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Speaker 14: shockwaves through our plans because you're talking about children of

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Speaker 14: people who were assassinated, real political violence, and so I

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Speaker 14: had to reconvince Iliosa Shabaz and Doctor King to still

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Speaker 14: be a part of this show. There were some safety concerns.

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Speaker 14: We had to bring in three extra teams of security

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Speaker 14: just to make sure that they were secure because the

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Speaker 14: rhetoric was that there was going to be payback, which

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Speaker 14: never made sense to me because there was a white

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Speaker 14: man that killed them, you know what I mean. But

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Speaker 14: I think the reason why I was able to execute

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Speaker 14: on that was the respect that I had paid to

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Speaker 14: these individuals before everyone you see up here, Doctor King,

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Speaker 14: doctor Eliosa Shabaz. I went to them and asked them

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Speaker 14: for permission to put their family members on this gear.

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Speaker 14: I have licensing agreements with them so that when we

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Speaker 14: sell apparel, the Black Panther Party Museum gets money, Hampton,

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Speaker 14: the Hampton House gets money. Cecil William's Museum gets money.

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Speaker 14: Right the Sebbat Center, the King Center actively Black pays

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Speaker 14: them when we sell this, this this merch and so

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Speaker 14: you know, you can go on any market any weekend

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Speaker 14: and you'll see a lot of us selling this stuff,

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Speaker 14: not realizing these people actually lost people in this struggle

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Speaker 14: and they weren't compensated, right, And so I think I

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Speaker 14: earned a level of respect with them that when I

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Speaker 14: made that call and I asked them, can you walk

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Speaker 14: on this wrungway for me?

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Speaker 1: They answered the call. And I feel so humbled.

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Speaker 14: I mean, Doctor King, when she when she arrived, she

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Speaker 14: gave me a signed speech from from her father and

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Speaker 14: she prayed with me, and I broke down and cried,

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Speaker 14: you know what I mean, Like her schedule is crazy

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Speaker 14: for her to move around her travel schedule to be

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Speaker 14: there for this show. It's something I'm forever grateful.

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Speaker 1: Did you have any concerns, any security concerns at all?

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Speaker 14: My man came and made sure we were we were,

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Speaker 14: we were, we were, We were good with the security.

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Speaker 14: We weren't gonna let nobody even get close to touching

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Speaker 14: you know this royalty.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, what does it mean to be actively black?

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Speaker 14: That's such a layer question. And there's a reason why

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Speaker 14: I named it that you got to understand. When I

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Speaker 14: was starting to actively black. By the way, we'll celebrate

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Speaker 14: five years this Black Friday. We launched on Black Friday

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Speaker 14: twenty twenty. I had a lot of black people tell me,

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Speaker 14: don't name the company actively black. I had black executives

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Speaker 14: tell me, if you put black in this name, it

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Speaker 14: will not be successful. And I realized that a lot

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Speaker 14: of them were speaking from a place of fear of

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Speaker 14: working in corporate environments where they had to minimize who

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Speaker 14: they were and their identity. And so there's nothing passive

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Speaker 14: about what we have to do to uplift our people, right,

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Speaker 14: So it's a double entendre. I want our people to

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Speaker 14: be more healthy. We do free mental health events, we

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Speaker 14: do physical activations where we're having people do yoga, sound, bath, meditation.

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Speaker 14: We're getting our people access to the things that they

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Speaker 14: need so that we can keep moving. That's the only

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Speaker 14: way the movement can keep going is if healthy enough

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Speaker 14: to keep moving. Right, So it's a double on times

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Speaker 14: where we're active where brand you know, there's no reason

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Speaker 14: why we shouldn't have our own Nike. That's what actively

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Speaker 14: Black is when we build this multi billion dollar brand,

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Speaker 14: it's not for my personal wealth.

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Speaker 1: It's for us to uplift our people. Actively black dot com.

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Speaker 1: Hell I want, I want, I want a brother sister.

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Speaker 2: Frederick could give them the museum websites, Yes, so people

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Speaker 2: can donate, well, you.

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Speaker 13: Can go to Cecil Williams Music. I'm sorry South Carolina

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Speaker 13: Civil Rights Museum. But we also have a way of

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Speaker 13: like PayPal and the email address there and several other ways.

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Speaker 13: But we're easily find We're again in the college town

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Speaker 13: of Orangebreak, South Carolina, and we need your supporter, even

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Speaker 13: dollars one dollar helps.

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Speaker 1: So please support us.

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Speaker 14: Right if you part gives, I want to make sure

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Speaker 14: you get this and then and then so so Frederick

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Speaker 14: could close us out, make sure you got that.

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Speaker 1: What's that what's the museum.

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Speaker 16: On Instagram is at the Black Panther Party Museum and

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Speaker 16: the Doctor Hue P. Newton Foundation celebrating thirty years this year.

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Speaker 16: Please come visit us in Oakland, California. Black Panther Party Museum.

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Speaker 16: We're open, I mean we're and we're packed. So this

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Speaker 16: month celebrates the Black Panther Party History Month and we're

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Speaker 16: full of celebrations.

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Speaker 9: So please visit us there. Thank you we can.

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Speaker 15: Also, I'm thank you for having us here. Fins Fist Saluta,

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Speaker 15: our fellow Palentist, Clint Fittsaluta actively Black the some of

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Speaker 15: fourth International Revolutionaire Day come to Chicago. Also the Hampton

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Speaker 15: House dot org. We get programs going to Childhood, Homer

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Speaker 15: Chamber of Friend Hampton and Maywood, Illinois Agattinghampton House dot org.

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Speaker 15: On the close out this quote, Bayck minuisester Doctor Ue P.

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Speaker 15: Newton pictures worth a thousand words, but action and supreme.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, Well it's the Breakfast Club. Good morning, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Guys, thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: Everybody's dj n V Jess Hilary Charlamage the guide.

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Speaker 1: We are the Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 5: Lawna roases here as well, and we got a special

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Speaker 5: guest in the building, civil rights activist, politics, diplomat and

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Speaker 5: pass the ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: O G Andrew Young, Good morning, sir.

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Speaker 17: Good morning brother. I'm really glad to be here with you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, I'm long overdue, man, What are you telling I'm.

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Speaker 17: Gonna need I mean, I need to know where you are, yes, sir.

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Speaker 17: And I'm a look at the book and be honest

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Speaker 17: or dilay and I probably you know I need to

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Speaker 17: read that quickly.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: John O'Brien is here as well. John O'Brien, Good morning morning.

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Speaker 1: Mister.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Young had a new documentary i'll called The Dirty Work.

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Speaker 2: Why was it important for you to tell this part

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Speaker 2: of your story?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 17: Well, I'm telling my story and we see the glamor

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Speaker 17: of the civil rights movement, and it was very glamorous.

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Speaker 17: For every one or two you see on television, there

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Speaker 17: were five hundred to one thousand of us in the

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Speaker 17: background doing the dirty work. And it's the way I

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Speaker 17: got into it. I was at up here in New

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Speaker 17: York in nineteen fifty seven fifty eight and doctor King

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Speaker 17: needed somebody to move with him to Atlanta. My wife

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Speaker 17: was from Marrying, Alabama. Which was a little country town

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Speaker 17: near Selma, and we saw the NBC documentary on John

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Speaker 17: Lewis in the Nashville citing story. We just bought a

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Speaker 17: house out in Queen's and I was working up at

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Speaker 17: the National Council of Churches. And when the documentary came home,

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Speaker 17: my wife said it's time for us to go home.

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Speaker 17: I said, we are home. She said, no, this is

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Speaker 17: New York. It'll be my home. And I said, we

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Speaker 17: just bought this house. We got a good job. She said,

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Speaker 17: I'm going back to my mama in Alabama and I'm

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Speaker 17: taking my children. And I said, well, what do you

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Speaker 17: want me to do? She said, I want you to

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Speaker 17: sell this house and find a job down south. It

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Speaker 17: was the attraction of going back south that got me

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Speaker 17: back in the movement. And it was in that transition

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Speaker 17: Martin Luther King had just been stabbed and he took

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Speaker 17: New York. In New York, he took a month off

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Speaker 17: to go to India and was just coming back and

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Speaker 17: planning to move from Montgomery to Atlanta. So I ended

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Speaker 17: up getting pulled in to try to help him move.

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Speaker 17: And that was that was the dirty work. He needed

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Speaker 17: to be in a bigger city. Than Montgomery, and but

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Speaker 17: he couldn't afford to live in Atlanta except with his parents,

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Speaker 17: and so he was trying to raise funds. He never

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Speaker 17: had a million dollars a year to work with the

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Speaker 17: entire time we had the movement going, and so I

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Speaker 17: was trying to help him raise some funds and went

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Speaker 17: to my church of the United Church of Christ and

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Speaker 17: asked them. They founded a number of colleges, Howard and

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Speaker 17: Talladega to Galoo, all across the south, and so I said,

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Speaker 17: you know, if you would let us use some of

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Speaker 17: these properties or some of them, we could have a

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Speaker 17: movement southwide in a little of no time. And so

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Speaker 17: I was sort of being a bridge between him making

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Speaker 17: the transition to Montgomery and coming to Atlanta. I was

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Speaker 17: then moved from Atlanta back to I mean from New

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Speaker 17: York back to Atlanta. And the first job I got,

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Speaker 17: he was not there. His secretary said, well once she said,

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Speaker 17: my wife's in Alabama. She said, you can't be hanging

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Speaker 17: around here loose, said idle minders the devil's workshop, and

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Speaker 17: we got a whole lot of devils. And she said

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Speaker 17: you need something to do. I said, well, anything I

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Speaker 17: can do to help, and she gave me a great

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Speaker 17: big egg crate packed would letters. And so she said,

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Speaker 17: if you can help doctor King within his mail, that's

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Speaker 17: really if you want to get to know a company.

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Speaker 17: If somebody's coming in Ian wants to get to know it,

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Speaker 17: answer the mail, at least read it the mail, know

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Speaker 17: what's what's happening around. And so it gave me. I mean,

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Speaker 17: I ended up with the bucket of mail. And that

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Speaker 17: was sort of a dirty work.

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Speaker 12: So Charlottagne when he also when he went to go

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Speaker 12: get the job, when he went to South the stabb

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Speaker 12: didn't want them. Doctor King was out giving speeches and

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Speaker 12: on the road. The staff didn't want him. He was smart,

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Speaker 12: he was articulate. He was like, all the seats are taken,

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Speaker 12: we all get every good. They sent him packing. So

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Speaker 12: he came back with a grant. The grant was self

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Speaker 12: funded and it was for non violent education or something

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Speaker 12: like that. But he's funded it, Sally. So doctor King said,

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Speaker 12: you can sid you paid for it. You can sit

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Speaker 12: right over here.

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Speaker 17: Well, we've been paid for it. I don't only paid

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Speaker 17: for it. I brought access to all of those schools, yes,

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Speaker 17: from in North Carolina and King's Mountain Georgia, it was

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Speaker 17: Atlanta University. Alabama was two Galu Talladega Talladi and Alabama

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Speaker 17: and too Glue and Mississippi.

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Speaker 12: But the key point of that in Bassie Young was

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Speaker 12: you won't take credit for this. He became the one

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Speaker 12: person nobody could fire, so he could speak truth to power.

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Speaker 12: We didn't anybody exactly because doctor King didn't like conflict.

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00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 12: You let me finish my point, Yes, sir, Doctoring didn't

663
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 12: like conflict, so he was a conflict man. So he

664
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 12: was the one inside the staff. You had crazy people

665
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 12: on the left and crazy folks sort of over here

666
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 12: trying to do revolutions. Doctor King didn't want conflict, so

667
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 12: he would expecting Bassi Young to.

668
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: Knock his inside. That's it.

669
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 12: And when he came in, he wanted it to be resolved.

670
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 12: And so he was a resolution manager inside the movement

671
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 12: and outside of the Again, he doesn't take credit for it,

672
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,479
Speaker 12: but that that really became one of his magic pieces

673
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 12: was that he was an independent thinker, just like you are.

674
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 12: Just like all you guys are independent thinkers.

675
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: They get that, right. I guess.

676
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 17: You know the thing is that I left Howard and

677
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 17: I really well, I really up three and a half years. See,

678
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:28,719
Speaker 17: but I somehow got a degree. And because I was

679
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 17: playing around, wasn't studying. I was trying to make the

680
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,040
Speaker 17: swimming team, and so I was trying to get on

681
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 17: the girls. And I wasn't making any broadras at all,

682
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 17: you know, from New Orleans, and I got along with people,

683
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 17: but I was I was trying to grow up. And

684
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 17: when I got came left Howard and we stopped that

685
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 17: you couldn't had no hotels in letters ter. We stopped

686
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 17: at a King's Mountain, North Carolina, where we had a

687
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 17: church conference going on, and I decided to run up

688
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 17: the mountain. Somewhere along there, I kind of blacked out.

689
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 17: I looked around and everything seemed perfect.

690
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:13,560
Speaker 12: You know.

691
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 17: It was a perfect sky, perfect corn field. The green

692
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 17: trees were sparkling, and I said, damn everything. He has

693
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 17: got a purpose but me and I said, I cannot

694
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 17: be put here on this eort with no purpose at all.

695
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 17: And how do I find a purpose? Well, what I

696
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 17: came to was if there's something that I think needs

697
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 17: doing and nobody wants to do it, that becomes my purpose.

698
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 17: So I was looking for stuff that needed to be

699
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 17: done that nobody wanted to do.

700
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 2: It's such an interesting perspective when you talk about, you know,

701
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: purpose to John, because in my mind, you know, I

702
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 2: always thought the purpose was the liberation of black people.

703
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: But you're always just looking for something, a purpose within yourself.

704
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 12: So let's let's get some into real talk. He's got

705
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 12: survivor's guilt. He doesn't sleep. He's always working because he

706
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 12: was on that balcony when doctor King was assassinated. The

707
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 12: FBI told him the instructions for the shooter. If you missed,

708
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 12: the dreamer killed the strategist. He's been this all this time.

709
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 12: You an ambassador, first black un ambassador to history the

710
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 12: United States under Carter, first congressman since reconstruction in the South,

711
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 12: brought the Atlantic, the Olympics to the Atlanta, made Atlanta

712
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 12: International City, Mayor, Presidential Medal of Frema Wardee French Foreign

713
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 12: Legion Aboardee one hundred and fifty Honorary doctor degrees, brought

714
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 12: a venture capital of Africa, liberated Zimbabwe, helped get Mandela

715
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 12: out of prison. But underneath all this, I'm here because

716
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 12: my friend was a shot, so he couldn't enjoy any

717
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 12: of it. He give all his money away. He's been

718
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 12: a servant his whole life, and he is He's the

719
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 12: closest thing we have to Nelson Mandela.

720
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 10: Everybody plays a role in movement, is what I've always

721
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 10: heard and learned. I feel like today when we talk

722
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 10: about the boycotts, that that we're trying to do actively,

723
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,320
Speaker 10: there's no real roles.

724
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 9: We don't take one thing serious.

725
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 10: We might take the other one serious because there's there's

726
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 10: no structure, there's no how did you get people to

727
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 10: fall along, even though not everybody growth.

728
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 17: Everybody used to go to church back then, and radio

729
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 17: black radio was owned by white folks, and they would

730
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 17: play the music, but we'd have to slip in an announcement,

731
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 17: there's going to be a certain meeting that you know,

732
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 17: such and such a Baptist church or such and such

733
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 17: a Methodist church. And they finally even stopped them from

734
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,040
Speaker 17: from doing announcements. So it went by word of mouth.

735
00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 17: We knew that every night we'd have a mass meeting

736
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 17: at some church in some neighborhood, and people would get

737
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:56,800
Speaker 17: together about five o'clock and they sing these old songs

738
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 17: that the young folk then came in and modified freedom songs.

739
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 17: Then the preachers would come in and preach a little

740
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 17: bit and tell what's going on. But it was all

741
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 17: around the church, and in the daytime when the churches

742
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 17: were not operating, the kids went to the schools and

743
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 17: the guys who were hanging out at the pool hall,

744
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 17: we'd stop by there. In fact, doctor King was very

745
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 17: good pool played. Grew up in the YMCA, and he

746
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 17: could get everybody's attention because he would go into a

747
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 17: pool hall and challenge the guys that can I take

748
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 17: the winner? And after they saw he was he could

749
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 17: run the table. They listened to him, and it was

750
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 17: finding a way to get to people where they are

751
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 17: and they would really say, I'm ready to die for

752
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 17: my people. It was the threat of death to almost

753
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 17: every black man in the South until just recently, and

754
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 17: it's coming back now. It's more organized now. The only

755
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 17: person who would talk about it openly was Martin Luther King,

756
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 17: and he said, now, you know, if we go messing

757
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 17: with Birmingham, some of us ain't gonna come back. Now

758
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 17: he knew he was the one most likely targeted, but

759
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 17: I mean, he'd make a joke out of it, and

760
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 17: he had a real good sense of humor. He said, John,

761
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 17: it might be your turn, but it's gonna be one

762
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 17: of the hardest things I ever do, but I'll try

763
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 17: my best to preach your ass into heaven. And then

764
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 17: he'd start preaching all the things that I pick on

765
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 17: him about, see and he would say things you didn't

766
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 17: know he knew about you, and he'd ask God to

767
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 17: forgive you and please let him into heaven. You know,

768
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 17: I mean, really, he really turned your death into a comedy.

769
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 17: It was a district.

770
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 5: Now, if you're just joining us, we're still talking with

771
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 5: Andrew Young, civil rights activist, politician work very closely.

772
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 1: To Martin Luther King junior Charlamagne.

773
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: The fact that people knew that they could potentially die

774
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 2: is still were willing to make that sacrifice is what

775
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: I think is missing now.

776
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 17: You shouldn't be willing to make the sacrifice. You should

777
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 17: be willing to take your time and assume that you

778
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 17: can make the world rights and you don't have to die.

779
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 17: And we maybe have made it too difficult. Most of

780
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,319
Speaker 17: the people who died, we can remember their names, but

781
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 17: they're literally millions. Like Martin Luther King got stabbed by

782
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 17: black women up here in Harlem and the well a

783
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 17: letter opener, and a letter opener was pressing on the

784
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 17: a order of his heart, and they said, if he

785
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 17: had sneezed, he probably would have died. And he talked

786
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 17: about that all the time. But what he talked about,

787
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 17: he said, but he got a letter this girl said,

788
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 17: I am eleven years old and it shouldn't matter, but

789
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 17: I happened to be white, and I just want to

790
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 17: thank you and thank God that you did not sneeze.

791
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 17: And he would talk. He talked about that all the

792
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:32,040
Speaker 17: time because it represented the fact that there's still many,

793
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 17: many good people. And you shouldn't believe that the whole

794
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 17: world is going to hell at a handbasket. See that

795
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 17: right now, even right now, right now, the whole world

796
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 17: is not going to hell in a hand basket.

797
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: In the doc, you said, after Martin Luther King Junior

798
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,240
Speaker 2: got shot, you knew there was no hope.

799
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 17: I knew that it was going to be hard, but

800
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 17: I really my mama used to make me go to

801
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 17: Sunday school and and they one time they were talking

802
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 17: about Elijah going to heaven and a flaming chariot. And

803
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 17: I was about nine years old, and I said, I

804
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 17: don't believe that they put me out of center school.

805
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 17: But I never forgot that, and that's what I thought

806
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 17: when I saw Martin laying there one I said, he

807
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 17: probably didn't even hear that shot. The bullet Pollerce travels

808
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 17: fast to the speed of sound, so it hit him

809
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 17: right in his and severed his spinal cord, so he

810
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 17: probably never heard it. He probably never felt any pain,

811
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:45,000
Speaker 17: and he was dead instantly. And the thing that occurred

812
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 17: to me then was, damn, my brother done gone to

813
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 17: heaven and a flaming chariot and all the all of

814
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 17: the spirituals talk about, you know, steal away, steal away

815
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 17: to Jesus, and I just felt that he'd gone home

816
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 17: to the Lord and and left me here. But I knew,

817
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 17: and I still know that there's hardly a day that

818
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 17: I don't talk about him and learn or remember something

819
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 17: that he said in a similar situation. And I passed

820
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 17: that on to my children, but to all children. And

821
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 17: it's one of the reasons why I'm really grateful to

822
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 17: those folk. And John is one of them that put

823
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 17: together money to tell this story, because all the books

824
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 17: that were written by the movement are big, big books,

825
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 17: and and we don't read, we don't keep still that long.

826
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:51,319
Speaker 17: So the mass media, radio and television is still our

827
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 17: means of communication, and it's why you play such an

828
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 17: important part in our community and why I had I mean,

829
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 17: I was in a meeting last night till ten o'clock,

830
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 17: went home, got me a few hours sleep, got up

831
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 17: at four o'clock in the morning, got on a plane,

832
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 17: and came up back here because I wasn't coming to

833
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 17: talk to you all. You talk to more people than

834
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 17: anybody I know. And when John said he's going to

835
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 17: let you talk to his people, I said, thank you Jesus.

836
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: No, he's a privilege man. Well, but it's a privilege

837
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: for me.

838
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 2: Do you think we've honored doctor King's legacy or just

839
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 2: branded it?

840
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 10: No.

841
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,080
Speaker 17: I don't think there's anybody anybody around that doesn't respect

842
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 17: what he did and what he gave his life for.

843
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: I think that.

844
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 17: I think he is a sacred personality in our history.

845
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 17: But everyone is like that. I mean, Christmas Attics. I

846
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 17: knew about him. He's the first black man, first man

847
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 17: to die for this country in Massachusetts, and he's black.

848
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 17: This country would not be what it is without us.

849
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 17: And I think Martin Luther King represents the best of us,

850
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 17: but he ain't the only one of us that there

851
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 17: were people around him, and only a half a dozen

852
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 17: of us have been to college. I mean, most of

853
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 17: us learn learn from the streets, and they learned from

854
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:32,440
Speaker 17: our experiences. But the I mean Louis Armstrong grew up

855
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,520
Speaker 17: in my neighborhood in New Orleans. He didn't I don't

856
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 17: think anybody ever gave him trumpet lessons. He just picked

857
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 17: up the thing and made it blow. And and the

858
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 17: thing that I'd like to remind people is that he's

859
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 17: a man who grew up in one of the poorest

860
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 17: neighborhoods in New Orleans, and he sings It's a wonderful world.

861
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 17: And there's Ray Charles who's blind, and there's a big

862
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 17: piano out in all ben and Georgia where he grew up,

863
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 17: and he sings America the Beautiful. But he doesn't start

864
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,239
Speaker 17: with though, but the spacious skies. He starts with a

865
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 17: little beautiful for heroes proved in liberating strife, who more

866
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 17: than self their country loved and mercy modern life. And

867
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 17: we take the history of this country and the history

868
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 17: of this planet and we turn it into a piece

869
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 17: of music or a symbol of grace. If we do something,

870
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 17: we do it with style, you know, and it's and

871
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 17: no matter what it is, we do it better.

872
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 7: What was the issue, the real issue between Martin Luther

873
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 7: King Jr.

874
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: And Malcolm X.

875
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 17: You know, there was no issue. The difference was that

876
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 17: Martin Luther King learned in coll Malcolm X learned in jail.

877
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 17: But Malcolm X read the Dictionary and the Bible. Say,

878
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 17: and when Martin came back with the Nobel Prize, we

879
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 17: worked in Harlem and the Armory. And when we came

880
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 17: in the back door, who was standing act in the

881
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 17: back door with Malcolm X. Two people, Malcolm X and

882
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 17: Nelson Rockefeller. And Malcolm X said, I just wanted to

883
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 17: thank you for all that you've done, and I want

884
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 17: you to know that I am with you in anything

885
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 17: you want me to do. But I think that it's

886
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 17: probably better strategy if you and I don't seem to

887
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 17: be so close, and said, that's why I'm not going

888
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 17: to come in there with you in public.

889
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 12: He wasn't trying to profile.

890
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,320
Speaker 1: Disparage Malcolm.

891
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: You see disparage Martin publicly sometimes though we'll call him

892
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: Uncle Tom.

893
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: That was his brand.

894
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 17: It wasn't. It wasn't Malcolm so much as it was

895
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 17: that whole whole crowd around Elijah Muhammad.

896
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,719
Speaker 1: Now, but Martin was close to Elijah too.

897
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 17: It seems like I know, well, because we're unable because

898
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 17: when we came to if we went into town, like

899
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 17: when we went to Chicago, we got all the big

900
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 17: preachers together and and got them to agree that we

901
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 17: would be there with them and that they could tell

902
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 17: us what they wanted us to do. Now, some didn't

903
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 17: like it, and some just didn't want anybody to have

904
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 17: a profile but them, and we just went on around them.

905
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,200
Speaker 12: By the way, when he became mayor, just the point

906
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 12: about playing people playing their roles. When he became mayor

907
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 12: of Atlanta, the civil rights leaders his friends. The second

908
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 12: day he was mayor, they picketed him. So he went

909
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,799
Speaker 12: outside and said, what are you guys doing. They said, well,

910
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 12: you're the mayor now, so you got your job, we

911
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 12: got ours. And he accepted that. So Malcolm was playing

912
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 12: his lane, is playing his role publicly, but privately he

913
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 12: respected doctor King.

914
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 5: Now, if you're just joining us, we're still talking with

915
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:14,240
Speaker 5: Andrew Young, civil.

916
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: Rights activist, politician work very closely to Martin Luther King Junior, Charlomagne.

917
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: If the dirty work documentary could teach one lesson to

918
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: this generation and the next generation, or organizes what would

919
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: you want it to be.

920
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 17: There is some dirty work in any struggle for freedom.

921
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: But dirty work could be hard work.

922
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 17: Dirty work could be thoughtful work, you know, whatever nobody

923
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 17: else wants to do. Like we didn't want to mess

924
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 17: with money, and John decided that he was going to

925
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 17: teach folk how to that you can't be free without voting,

926
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 17: but neither can you be free of you broke. And

927
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 17: so teaching people how to manage money, how to save money,

928
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 17: how to invest money, how to know the meaning of

929
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 17: money to your salvation and survival. That's another issue altogether,

930
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 17: but communications is an issue.

931
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 12: And so don't be afraid of doing the dirty work.

932
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 12: Embrace it it is. It's noble work. It's not dirty work, yeah,

933
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 12: is that right?

934
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 17: That's not only is it noble work? Is is the

935
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 17: kind of work that that has to be done.

936
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 12: So when when when Charlemagne was doing that internship way

937
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,880
Speaker 12: back when, and that in that first radio program, and

938
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 12: when people noticed you that was the dirty work. Absolutely,

939
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 12: I'm sure you've done dirty work in your career. You've

940
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 12: always not been both of you and I always been

941
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 12: sitting here at prime time. You've had to hustle, You've

942
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 12: had to do things and jobs nobody else wanted.

943
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 2: I still do the dirty work now maybe.

944
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: Needbe.

945
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 12: And the work you're doing with with mental health, the foundation,

946
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 12: you're doing the stuff that nobody sees. The conversation that

947
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:00,680
Speaker 12: we have that at two in the morning about about

948
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 12: life in general, all that's the dirty work. And raising

949
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 12: your children is the most honorable version, raising your pain,

950
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 12: paying school fees, like, we've got to be about the basics.

951
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 12: We got to get back to the basics and be

952
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 12: about we and not just about me. That's really who

953
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 12: he is. And I spent most of his interview trying

954
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 12: to draw him out. You can see him.

955
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 2: This is good. John O'Brien, thank you for bringing this, this,

956
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: this walking memorial, this iconic, this icon living. Mister Andrew Young,

957
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: thank you for coming, brother, Thank you for having men.

958
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 2: That's right and check out the dirty work on What's.

959
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,760
Speaker 1: A PEAKBC globally on MSNBC globally.

960
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 17: Thank you, brother, thank you, and thank all of your audience. Yes, sir,

961
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 17: this is college on the radio.

962
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: I like that. That's a word.

963
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,720
Speaker 17: If you didn't have money to go to college listening.

964
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, thank you the breakfast Club.

965
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: Some Donkey Today's just shimself ready for I never heard

966
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: them Donkey Day again, Arlac, you are.

967
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 15: Charlotte Lane.

968
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: Say it's true.

969
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 2: Yes, Donkey Today goes to a sixty three year old

970
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: Florida woman named Marina go Naga. Now, what does your

971
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 2: uncle Shalla always tell you about the great state of Florida?

972
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: Say it with me.

973
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: The crazy at people in America come from the Bronx

974
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: and all of Florida, and today is no exception. Even

975
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,880
Speaker 2: though I'm not gonna lie. Okay, Marina did something that

976
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 2: I always tell y'all to do. I'll always tell y'all

977
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:47,760
Speaker 2: to do your prison math. Okay, do your jail math.

978
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,840
Speaker 2: Before you do something, before you jump out the window

979
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 2: and commit a crime, always ask yourself how.

980
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: Much is this going to cost you? Okay? Everything from

981
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: bond to lawyer and.

982
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 2: Especially their time. If you're sinners, can you afford to

983
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 2: do what it is you're.

984
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: About to do? Now?

985
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: Some people just move off of motion and they just

986
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 2: act okay, they just go. But some people move off strategy.

987
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: They ask questions, they playing things out. Those are the

988
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 2: people that I respect. Those are the people that are

989
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 2: truly dangerous. You're now in the comic book world. We

990
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 2: say Batman can beat anyone with prep time. That's how

991
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: I feel about people who prep before they do a

992
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: crime and calculate the prison math in their head. Okay,

993
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 2: they calculate the jail math in their heads. See, there

994
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: is a part of me who respects what Marina did,

995
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: even though she's dead.

996
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 1: Wrong.

997
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,840
Speaker 2: Okay, well, damn it, uncle Charlotte, the suspensions killing me.

998
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 2: Will you tell me what she did already?

999
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 9: Well?

1000
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: According to an arrest of Affidavid obtained by Law and Crime,

1001
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 2: an officer was dispatched to an undisclosed location to respond

1002
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: to an argument between two people regarding stolen property.

1003
00:50:50,360 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

1004
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: When the cops got there, Marina told them she came

1005
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:58,480
Speaker 2: to the location to retrieve stolen shoes from a seventy

1006
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:01,760
Speaker 2: two year old unidentified and at some point during the encounter,

1007
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: Marina allegedly turned to an officer and asked them in Spanish,

1008
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: how much would the bond be if I smacked her?

1009
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: See this is Batman prepping once again. She turned to

1010
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 2: the officer and asked the officer how much would the

1011
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 2: bond be if I smacked her. Now, it doesn't say

1012
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: what the officer responded, but Marina must have thought she

1013
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 2: could afford it because she walked up to the seventy

1014
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: three year old and proceeded to smack him in the face. Okay,

1015
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 2: see one thing about me. I respect everybody's choices. I

1016
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 2: may not agree with the choice you make, but I

1017
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: respect when someone makes a calculated choice, because when you

1018
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 2: choose to do something, then to me, you have also

1019
00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 2: chosen the consequences of what comes with that choice.

1020
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 1: Marina did her dirt in front of the police.

1021
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 2: She even asked the officer how much would the bond

1022
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: be if I smacked her? And then she went and

1023
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 2: handled her business, So that means she got to handle

1024
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 2: these consequences, okay, the same way. Now, what I don't

1025
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: respect is that the person she smacked was seventy two.

1026
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: Now seventy two not the same seventy two. It used

1027
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: to be a lot of these seventy two year olds

1028
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 2: got that elder script. They will put you on your ass,

1029
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 2: but that is still considered elderly. And Marina, you sixty three, okay,

1030
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 2: even though you can get you know, discounted meals that

1031
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 2: I hop there's absolutely no reason for you to be

1032
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: smacking a seventy two year old person in the face

1033
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 2: over no damn stolen shoes.

1034
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: See.

1035
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: I respect you being cold and calculated and making a choice,

1036
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 2: but over some damn shoes. I need to know what

1037
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 2: kind of shoes they were. Okay, person was seventy two,

1038
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 2: so I know they ain't no heat. Okay, if they

1039
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:36,640
Speaker 2: weren't Michael Jordan's nineteen ninety eight NBA Finals, the Air

1040
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 2: Jordan thirteen's, or the Nike Air Yeezy one prototypes, I

1041
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 2: don't see the point of the smack.

1042
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 1: Okay, well they did a Nike Back to.

1043
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,279
Speaker 2: The Future joints, the Flu Game, Jordan's, and I'm talking

1044
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: about the ones Michael actually wore in the game. If not,

1045
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,680
Speaker 2: I don't see what shoes could be worth it between

1046
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 2: the sixty three year old and the seventy two year old.

1047
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it wasn't the shoes, Maybe it was the principal.

1048
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: All I'm saying is when you make decisions like this,

1049
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:01,839
Speaker 2: at least let it be worth it, especially when you're

1050
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 2: already out on bond for resisting arrests and battery on

1051
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:06,360
Speaker 2: a law enforcement officer.

1052
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: Oh I didn't tell y'all that part. Damn Yeah.

1053
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: Marina was out on bond for resisting arrest and battery

1054
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 2: on a law enforcement officer, but that didn't stop her

1055
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: from doing some prison math, doing some jail math in

1056
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 2: her head and calculating that smacking this seventy two year

1057
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 2: old woman was absolutely worth it. Her bomb was one

1058
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 2: thousand dollars. But you still have to factor in, you know,

1059
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:30,840
Speaker 2: fighting the case. And something tells me that she cannot

1060
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 2: afford an attorney, but one will be provided for her.

1061
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: Please let Marina go Naga, get the sweet out of

1062
00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: the Hamiltons.

1063
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 6: You oh the day, oh the day.

1064
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 1: Ye always do your jail math, ladies and gentlemen.

1065
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 2: Okay, jail math is probably the easiest math to do nowadays.

1066
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 2: I know that math that my kids be bringing home

1067
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: is complicated. But when you're in a situation, all you

1068
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 2: got to do is just think about it.

1069
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 1: Is it worth it?

1070
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 2: Can I afford to do what it is I'm about

1071
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 2: to do. I like the question.

1072
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: I like that question. How much would I get if

1073
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: I you know? How much? Already? You got to calculate

1074
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 1: a little different.

1075
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 7: But anyway, She's like, ah, you know, because I'm already

1076
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 7: up and you know I'm already in the rear.

1077
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

1078
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 7: What's another couple of stacks if I smack her, because

1079
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 7: you know she needs to be smacked. Now, I don't

1080
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 7: respect her smacking and elderly.

1081
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: She's elderly too, but just not on the same elderly Yeah,

1082
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: you know level.

1083
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, she made a calculated decision, calculating choice.

1084
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 1: I get it.

1085
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 2: So all I ever ask of yall is to do

1086
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 2: your jail math if you feel like you can afford it.

1087
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 5: Handy your business in the dis koind of Ip is

1088
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 5: fifty five and plus when you fifty five, that's me

1089
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 5: the discount.

1090
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:02,440
Speaker 1: She's sixty three. She's sixty three, so she knows a

1091
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,839
Speaker 1: Discount's got check just in case. All right, well that

1092
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: thank you for that donkey.

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Speaker 5: Today morning, everybody, it's DJ Envy, Jess Hilarious, Charlamagne Da Gott.

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Speaker 5: We are the Breakfast Club Lawn the Roses here as well,

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Speaker 5: and we have a special guest in the building, CNN anchor,

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Speaker 5: senior political correspondent and hosts of Newsnight with Abby Phillip.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Abby Phillip, how are you? I am good.

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Speaker 9: I'm good. I'm hanging in there.

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Speaker 2: New books out, but Dream the third Jesse Jackson in

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Speaker 2: the Fight for Black Political Power. I'm from South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: so I completely understand Jesse Jackson, and you know why

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Speaker 2: he deserves all all the praise. But why did you

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Speaker 2: decide to write this book?

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Speaker 18: I think that there are a lot of people who

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Speaker 18: have no idea that he ran for president, honestly, and

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Speaker 18: they don't And if they know that he ran for president,

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Speaker 18: they probably don't have any idea that he came second

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Speaker 18: in the Democratic nomination in nineteen eighty eight, so he

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Speaker 18: was the runner up, and before Obama there was Jesse Jackson.

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Speaker 18: And I think this chapter really is more important now

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Speaker 18: than ever. Back in the eighties, I think people didn't

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Speaker 18: have any way to know that what Jesse Jackson did

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Speaker 18: really mattered in the long term, but it clearly mattered

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Speaker 18: because had he not run, Obama wouldn't have been the nominee.

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Speaker 18: Had he not run, I don't know that you would

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Speaker 18: have like a Bernie Sanders or an AOC or even

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Speaker 18: a Zoron Mamdani. I mean, these are people who are

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Speaker 18: running on basically the same platform that Jesse Jackson ran on,

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Speaker 18: and he really transformed Democratic politics, not to mention registering

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Speaker 18: millions of voters and putting in place a lot of

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Speaker 18: the people that you know, people like Donna Brazil, Mignon Moore,

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Speaker 18: and so many others who are leaders in the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 18: they are all there because of Jesse Jackson. And the

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Speaker 18: back of your book, the praises, Yeah, you say, like

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Speaker 18: the first one talks about how he doesn't tell Jesse

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Speaker 18: Jenson doesn't get credit for how influential on American politics

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Speaker 18: as he was. What credit do you want people to

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Speaker 18: give him after they read your book?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 18: I mean, I think that he transformed the structure of

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Speaker 18: the Democratic Party that made it easier for outsiders to

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Speaker 18: come in and disrupt the system.

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Speaker 9: I think that's really what his original goal was.

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Speaker 18: When he was running for president, he was basically saying

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Speaker 18: to the Democratic Party, you have to take us seriously

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Speaker 18: as black voters, and not just black voters, but all

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Speaker 18: kinds of other voters. He brought Arab Americans into the

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Speaker 18: voting process. He insisted on women being on the ticket.

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Speaker 18: That's why Democrats had a woman on the ticket in

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Speaker 18: nineteen eighty four. He insisted on Asian Americans being part

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Speaker 18: of the political process. So what he was arguing for

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Speaker 18: was a political system that actually takes everybody seriously. And

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Speaker 18: I do think we're closer to that now than we

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Speaker 18: were in the eighties, and he.

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Speaker 9: Deserves a lot of credit for that.

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Speaker 18: But I also think, you know, this is not about

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Speaker 18: any kind of judgment about what you know or don't

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Speaker 18: know about this particular chapter of history. But it's important

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Speaker 18: to know that Jesse Jackson, like so many other of

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Speaker 18: these leaders in our history, they had a lot of chapters,

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Speaker 18: and this was a really significant chapter. I mean, he

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Speaker 18: ran for president two times, he almost won the nomination.

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Speaker 18: During one of these campaigns, he went to Syria and

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Speaker 18: Cuba and brought prisoners of war back to the United States.

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Speaker 18: I mean, he was doing a lot of things that

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Speaker 18: if candidates were doing that today, we would be like,

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Speaker 18: what is that real? But he doesn't get a lot

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Speaker 18: of credit for and I think a lot of it

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Speaker 18: is because it was the first time that so many

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Speaker 18: Americans had ever seen a black man try to do

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Speaker 18: what he did. And I think it's important to remember

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Speaker 18: how much of a you know, just a barrier breaker

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Speaker 18: he was at that time.

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Speaker 2: What was the single biggest myth or misconception you discovered

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Speaker 2: in you're reporting about either of those campaigns that you

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Speaker 2: wanted to correct, that.

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Speaker 18: He was only running as a black candidate for black voters.

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Speaker 18: I think that's the biggest misconception. He was obviously very interested,

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Speaker 18: motivated by the desire to make sure that black people

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Speaker 18: utilize their power, not just cast a ballot, but had

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Speaker 18: leverage to get changes on the platform, policy things that

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Speaker 18: mattered to their day to day lives. But he was

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Speaker 18: also in Missouri with white farmers. He was also in

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Speaker 18: San Francisco with Asian American activists he had. That's why

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Speaker 18: he called it the Rainbow Coalition. I think people remember

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Speaker 18: him as being the candidate for black people, but he

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Speaker 18: actually brought, as he said he would, a rainbow of

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Speaker 18: people into the political process. And he does not get

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Speaker 18: very much credit for how much appeal he had among

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Speaker 18: white voters, especially when he ran the second time around.

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Speaker 18: There's this great picture I have in the book of

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Speaker 18: him at a rally with a bunch of white farmers

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Speaker 18: in like their overalls, and they all have paper bags

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Speaker 18: on their heads with their eyes cut off because they're

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Speaker 18: they're trying to hide their faces from the FEDS who

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Speaker 18: were trying to basically foreclose on their farms, and there's

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Speaker 18: Jesse Jackson in the background with all of these white

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Speaker 18: people rallying alongside them, and that's, for me, an iconic

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Speaker 18: photo that kind of shows that he had the same

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Speaker 18: energy for our community as he did for all of

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Speaker 18: those other people, and he was arguing to them, look,

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Speaker 18: we have the people who are trying to divide us

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Speaker 18: along racial lines, are trying to make you think that

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Speaker 18: you don't have as much in common as a working

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Speaker 18: class black person, and that's a lie. And then a

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Speaker 18: lot of people diminish that part of his campaign because

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Speaker 18: it's easier to sort of just put him in a

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Speaker 18: box of, oh.

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Speaker 9: He was just a black candidate for black people.

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Speaker 2: Because you know, you talk about a lot in the

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Speaker 2: book about the unlikely coalition he put together. It seems

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Speaker 2: unlikely back then, but now it's like the norm. Right,

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Speaker 2: exactly the President Obama did or what VB tried to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean all candidates try to do it. Where did

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Speaker 2: he fall short back?

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Speaker 1: Didn't you think?

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Speaker 9: There were a lot of things that happened.

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Speaker 18: I think some of them were his own mistakes, and

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Speaker 18: I write about those in the book.

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Speaker 9: I mean, he had a very big controversy.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Jewistler.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, he used to a slur against Jews in private,

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Speaker 18: and then it became public and he had a hard

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Speaker 18: slow in addressing it, and that really dogged him for

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Speaker 18: the especially for the nineteen eighty four campaign, but it

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Speaker 18: had an impact on eighty eight too.

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Speaker 9: I think the other part of.

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Speaker 18: It was that he was a true outsider candidate. He

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Speaker 18: had almost no establishment support. You know, he was like

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Speaker 18: what Bernie Sanders was in twenty sixteen, where nobody wanted

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Speaker 18: to touch him among establishment Democrats, and so it was

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Speaker 18: harder for him to build a real campaign that had

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Speaker 18: the infrastructure that he needed to take advantage of the

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Speaker 18: momentum when he did encounter momentum. But I would say

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Speaker 18: the other thing is that he was completely discounted as

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Speaker 18: a candidate. I mean I went back and I read

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Speaker 18: virtually everything that was written about Jesse Jackson in those

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Speaker 18: two campaigns, and the way they talked about him as

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Speaker 18: if he was a gadfly candidate is you know, they

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Speaker 18: really did not take him seriously in the media, and

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Speaker 18: back in that time, there was no way to bypass

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Speaker 18: the mainstream media. And I do think a lot of

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Speaker 18: times if he were running today, I mean, he was

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Speaker 18: such a master of the press, of narrative, of really

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Speaker 18: breaking through, but there was no Internet, and if he

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Speaker 18: had had that, I think it would have been a

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Speaker 18: different story because so much of his message just never

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Speaker 18: got to people.

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Speaker 5: I we have more with Abbey Phillip when we come back,

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Speaker 5: moves to Breakfast Club.

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Speaker 1: Good Morning.

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Speaker 2: It's so silly and mead and let's got lead you back.

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Speaker 19: Went up or I can think about it since I

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Speaker 19: see you, least I know.

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Speaker 10: I didn't have to walk a play. All I had to.

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Speaker 1: Do was ask for space.

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Speaker 19: I'm telling you beyond you quay when I told.

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Speaker 6: You to fall back?

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Speaker 19: So can you compick up your colza folding open and

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Speaker 19: no bas cold? But it is not Susan compick your coat.

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Speaker 1: Morning.

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Speaker 5: Everybody is DJ Envy, Jess hilarious, Charlomagne the gud we

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Speaker 5: are to Breakfast Club, Lona Roses here as well. We're

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Speaker 5: still kicking with seeing an anchor and host of Newsnight

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Speaker 5: with Abbey Phillip.

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Speaker 1: Abbey Phillips, Charlamagne.

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Speaker 2: One of the few black women on cable news with

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Speaker 2: their own show, especially you, because you know you have

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Speaker 2: your own Ringbow Collision that you bring together every night

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Speaker 2: with all of these different voices. Do you feel like

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Speaker 2: you get a lot of that, a lot of criticism.

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Speaker 18: Look, I don't want people to misunderstand this. I am

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Speaker 18: not at all saying that I am at the caliber

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Speaker 18: of people like Jesse or anybody else who's really putting

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Speaker 18: their body on the line to make the world a

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Speaker 18: better place.

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Speaker 1: However, what you do is important.

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Speaker 9: But I play a role, like.

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Speaker 18: We all have a role, and this is mine and

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Speaker 18: I and and in a way, yeah, people are very

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Speaker 18: easy to be like, well, she shouldn't give this person

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Speaker 18: a platform, she shouldn't do this, she shouldn't do that.

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Speaker 18: And I do think it's super easy to say that

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Speaker 18: when you're just at home, like watching the clips on

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Speaker 18: your phone. And I've been covering politics a long time.

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Speaker 18: This is a time in our political life where we

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Speaker 18: have to really know what's going on, and we have

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Speaker 18: to know what everybody is saying on all sides of

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Speaker 18: the issue, because I don't think that ignorance has served

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Speaker 18: anybody well. And particularly I get a lot of criticism

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Speaker 18: from the left, from people who are like, why does

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Speaker 18: she have maga people on the show? And it's like, well,

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Speaker 18: you should know what they're saying, because just so you know,

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Speaker 18: half the country voted for Trump and for trump Ism,

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Speaker 18: and it's not helpful to be completely unaware of what

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Speaker 18: is happening in those media ecosystems. So I personally think

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Speaker 18: it's super important and I want the debate, like we

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Speaker 18: need to have that debate. I want it to be

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Speaker 18: right there, out in the open. And I also think

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Speaker 18: that it's important for people on both sides to practice

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Speaker 18: being challenged, because what we've found on the show is

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Speaker 18: that a lot of people are not used to being challenged.

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Speaker 18: And when they when they have somebody literally staring them

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Speaker 18: in the face saying I disagree with you, for some people,

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Speaker 18: they're like really taken aback, Like they don't really know

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Speaker 18: how to deal with that, how to counter it, how

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Speaker 18: to be quick, how to respond. And I think that

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Speaker 18: is a really important skill in our politics, that we

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Speaker 18: can go back and forth on the issues and we

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Speaker 18: can really hash it out. And I, you know, I'll

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Speaker 18: take the criticism from all sides, but I am very

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Speaker 18: proud of what we do because I think that very

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Speaker 18: few people are willing to do it.

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Speaker 9: Very few people are willing to take the chance of.

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Speaker 18: Even being criticized, and I don't mind it, like that's

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Speaker 18: part of the job.

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Speaker 10: What about because I know with your show there's some

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Speaker 10: moments that are like very hard hitting, right, what about

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Speaker 10: when that becomes like too much for you? Because I've

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Speaker 10: seen people step away from those debate style shows because

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Speaker 10: it personally becomes too much and is triggering for them,

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Speaker 10: especially for black women. How do you kind of cause

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Speaker 10: you get back up and do it again the next day,

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Speaker 10: Like what is your.

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Speaker 9: That's my responsibility.

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Speaker 18: I unfortunately can't step away, but I understand when people do,

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Speaker 18: and I actually think that is totally good and healthy.

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Speaker 18: I think it's important to know your limits. And you

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Speaker 18: know what the good news about me not being able

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Speaker 18: to step away so that it's my show and I

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Speaker 18: can draw the lines when I need to draw the lines,

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Speaker 18: and if you watch, as I know you do, like

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Speaker 18: you've seen the times when I've had to draw some

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Speaker 18: lines at the table and I don't do it that

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Speaker 18: often because I wanted to be not that common because

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Speaker 18: when I do, it's like when your mom, you know,

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Speaker 18: really tells you it's time to stop that's kind of

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Speaker 18: how I want it to be, where it's not like

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Speaker 18: that happens all the time. But you know that when

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Speaker 18: I've reached my limit, it's the end, that's the limit.

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Speaker 18: And I think that's that I can because I'm the host.

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Speaker 18: I can draw those lines around the kind of conduct

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Speaker 18: that I will accept.

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Speaker 9: At the table.

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Speaker 18: And I have control over who shows up and who doesn't.

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Speaker 18: And so for me, I take that on the weight

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Speaker 18: of having to show up every single day. But I

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Speaker 18: don't discount any person saying I need to take a break,

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Speaker 18: I need a moment, because I think that's actually healthy

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Speaker 18: for all of us, that we we should take care

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Speaker 18: of ourselves and our own well being even while we

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Speaker 18: try to stay engaged. And I fully, I fully support

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Speaker 18: that and I and I also will say Lauren that

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Speaker 18: I think there are definitely people who cross the line

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Speaker 18: and that's part of the dynamic that is not within

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Speaker 18: our control. And and that's okay. I mean, well, look,

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Speaker 18: I mean the more maybe the most famous one was that.

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Speaker 7: You cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery did just

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Speaker 7: one race, which is pretty much what every single exhibit does.

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Speaker 1: But why is this in the Smithsonian so it's Look,

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Speaker 1: it's it's.

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Speaker 9: Been completely captured. It's totally We don't have time to

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Speaker 9: litigate because.

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Speaker 1: The argument everything is racialized, just like you're trying to

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Speaker 1: do to me.

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Speaker 18: Now, you brought up slavery, and you brought up you

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Speaker 18: did you brought up one question of whether or not

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Speaker 18: slavery in the United States is about race?

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Speaker 9: The answer is no, idea.

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Speaker 1: The state straw because that's not what I said.

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Speaker 18: So what are you Well, yeah, there was Jillian Michaels,

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Speaker 18: but I you know, you know, I'll say, honestly, Jillian

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Speaker 18: Michaels crossed the line in the sense that she said

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Speaker 18: something that was kind of embarrassing, and we addressed it,

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Speaker 18: but we never said to her, you're not welcome back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't think.

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Speaker 18: I just think, yeah, that's her. She made a decision

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Speaker 18: not to want to come back. But yeah, she The

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Speaker 18: thing about that was that she actually was talking about

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Speaker 18: something that was important for us for people to be

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Speaker 18: aware of was actually happening. Because right after she said

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Speaker 18: what she said about slavery and how it's overemphasized at

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Speaker 18: museums and then the Smithsonian, guess who said the same thing,

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Speaker 18: the President, So if you had watched our show a

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Speaker 18: couple of days before, you would have known what was coming.

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Speaker 18: And it's not just that she said it, but President

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Speaker 18: said it, and then it it actually became the policy

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Speaker 18: that they're trying to implement at the White House. So

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Speaker 18: I thought it was actually super important that that was

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Speaker 18: put out there, because I think people were not aware

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Speaker 18: of the extent to which slavery was the core thing

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Speaker 18: that they were mad about in terms of how it

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Speaker 18: was being represented in our museums. So she again, I

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Speaker 18: think you're right, Like I don't think that we I

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Speaker 18: just would describe that as crossing the line, but we

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Speaker 18: addressed it as an important conversation that needed to be

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Speaker 18: factually addressed. But there was another incident with a person

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Speaker 18: who was on the show who said to another guest

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Speaker 18: that a Muslim guest that their pager would go off

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Speaker 18: to medi It was a reference to the Israeli They

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Speaker 18: had like put bomb materials in pagers of the Huthi

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Speaker 18: terrorists and they went off.

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Speaker 1: If you don't want to be called Nazis, stop people

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Speaker 1: by me. I never cluse you, anyswer.

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Speaker 2: I mean I'm not saying or saying.

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Speaker 1: I'm a subpart of the Pupestinians. I'm used to it. Well,

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Speaker 1: I hope your paper doesn't go off. The thing is

1399
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Speaker 1: is that you should not know you should be kill No,

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Speaker 1: I did not say.

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Speaker 18: That that was an actual line that was crossed, because

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Speaker 18: you wishing death on a guest on the show is

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Speaker 18: completely unacceptable. And he was told, and I said publicly

1404
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Speaker 18: on the show. He was not invited back. And so

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Speaker 18: there are lines that are crossed, and I think people

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Speaker 18: understand that I'll draw them when they need to be drawn.

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Speaker 18: But I also think that we want to have real conversations.

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Speaker 18: Sometimes they get a little bit messy and and that's okay.

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Speaker 18: But I also think, you know, disrespecting people in a

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Speaker 18: way that is inhumane, or you know, just there are

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Speaker 18: some lines that we don't want to cross, and we'll

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Speaker 18: draw those lines publicly and I'll let every know what's

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Speaker 18: going on. But for the most part, we're not We're

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Speaker 18: trying to encourage speech, not trying to squelch it.

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Speaker 10: If Jesse Jackson Wright was able to actually become president president,

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Speaker 10: get in office, just do things for people that he

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Speaker 10: cared about, how would Barack Obama's presidency have been different.

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Speaker 10: Kamala Harris just on this run, feeling like she has

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Speaker 10: to dodge certain things and can't speak straight to black people.

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Speaker 10: How would all that be different if he had been

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Speaker 10: able to get in office and do what he was

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Speaker 10: doing before he was voted president or not voted.

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Speaker 9: That's really interesting. It's such an interesting question.

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Speaker 18: I mean, I think one of the reasons that Vice

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Speaker 18: President Harris and Barack Obama have had to present a

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Speaker 18: certain way to the American public is the perception that

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Speaker 18: a broad swath of the electorate, especially white voters, won't

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Speaker 18: take a black candidate seriously unless they are very buttoned up,

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Speaker 18: have the resume all lined up, the whole thing. And

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Speaker 18: that's accurate, right that, Like we all understand that you

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 18: kind of have to clear a higher bar in order

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Speaker 18: to even be let in the door. And I do

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Speaker 18: wonder if the country had successfully elected a black president

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Speaker 18: who was running on a progressive platform thirty years ago,

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Speaker 18: whether they would have that same burden. And I don't know,

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Speaker 18: maybe they would not have. You know, one of the

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Speaker 18: things about Jesse Jackson is that his fluency in a

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Speaker 18: wide range of issues as somebody who never was elected

1439
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Speaker 18: to political office, who came out of the segregated South

1440
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Speaker 18: who came out of a civil rights tradition. He was

1441
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 18: right up there with all the other candidates on the

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Speaker 18: debate stage, talking about foreign policy, talking about economic policy,

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Speaker 18: giving speeches. I mean, I would talk to people who

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Speaker 18: would say that they would give him, you know, like

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01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 18: a thirty minute briefing, and he would go in there

1446
01:14:57,200 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 18: and he would weave a whole speech around an issue.

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Speaker 18: He could take information in and very quickly turn it

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Speaker 18: around into something that was compelling to an audience. And

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Speaker 18: so he had a kind of intellect that was not

1450
01:15:13,960 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 18: very respected at the time. And I do think that,

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Speaker 18: you know, if the country had elected a black president,

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Speaker 18: I think candidates today who are running who are like

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Speaker 18: Kamala Harris or Barack Obama would not have to would

1454
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:32,720
Speaker 18: not have to do so much to show white Americans

1455
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 18: in particular that they're qualified and that they have the basic,

1456
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 18: you know, qualifications to fit the job. I think that

1457
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 18: added burden is one of the reasons that it's hard

1458
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Speaker 18: then to turn around and say to those same candidates, well,

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Speaker 18: you've got to be authentic, because that same authenticity is

1460
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Speaker 18: what they get knocked for early on in their career.

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Speaker 18: So it is I'm not suggesting that it's easy. I

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Speaker 18: think it is difficult. You have to be able to

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Speaker 18: do both things. And actually, I would say Obama actually

1464
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Speaker 18: did both things pretty well. He was incredibly credentialed, but

1465
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Speaker 18: he was incredibly authentic in the communities where he needed

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01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 18: to be authentic in And I do think that it

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Speaker 18: is possible to do it, but it is absolutely a

1468
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Speaker 18: higher bar, and it's a higher bar still to this day,

1469
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Speaker 18: because we've only done it once elected a black person

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Speaker 18: to the highest office in the land, and so there's

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Speaker 18: still a lot that has to be dealt with in

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Speaker 18: terms of people's preconceived notions of what people of color

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Speaker 18: can do at high levels of political office.

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Speaker 2: My last question, when Cameron took a sip of pink

1475
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Speaker 2: Horsepower on your show, like.

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Speaker 1: You just took a sip of that, right and you

1477
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Speaker 1: were gonna write this.

1478
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Speaker 2: And then when Cam said he was going to get

1479
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Speaker 2: some cheeks after your interview, did you understand what was.

1480
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Speaker 1: Happening in that moment?

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Speaker 18: Is there something known in the industry about how did

1482
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:55,440
Speaker 18: he treated his artists?

1483
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Speaker 1: Charmon gets some cheeks after this horse.

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Speaker 18: College, I knew that we needed to end the interview Obviously,

1485
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,559
Speaker 18: I knew we needed to end the interview. We were

1486
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Speaker 18: up against the end of the show, and we didn't.

1487
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Speaker 18: We had to get to a certain time, so you know,

1488
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Speaker 18: I had to land that plane and I did, and look,

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Speaker 18: I mean it was ridiculous, but as we know, that

1490
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Speaker 18: was the point.

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Speaker 2: So the person who had to transcribe the show afterwards

1492
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Speaker 2: ask you what that meant.

1493
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Speaker 9: We need to get some Well we all were just like,

1494
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:36,839
Speaker 9: what just happened?

1495
01:17:37,200 --> 01:17:40,800
Speaker 18: Yeah, you know, I mean, whatever, it's I'm not going

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01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 18: to give this much more oxygen because I know that's

1497
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Speaker 18: part of the point. I know he was here a

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01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:50,800
Speaker 18: little while ago talking about it. I'm sure he did before.

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Speaker 18: It wasn't like it wasn't personal anything with you. He

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Speaker 18: just felt like the network only hits him up for

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01:17:55,160 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 18: things that aren't about what he does outside of it.

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Speaker 18: All I will say is that we are told by

1503
01:18:01,000 --> 01:18:03,479
Speaker 18: his team that he wanted to talk about this, not

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01:18:03,560 --> 01:18:06,920
Speaker 18: the other way around. So that's we Obviously, we don't

1505
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,559
Speaker 18: book people about things they don't want to talk about,

1506
01:18:10,320 --> 01:18:12,479
Speaker 18: So we would never bring someone on the show and

1507
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,559
Speaker 18: force them to talk about something that they didn't agree

1508
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Speaker 18: to talk about.

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Speaker 9: So I don't know, I.

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Speaker 18: Mean, everybody, we have free will. We can do what

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Speaker 18: we want. But like I said, I knew immediately. Actually

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Speaker 18: we knew pretty early on in the interview that we

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Speaker 18: needed to get out.

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Speaker 2: As as possible.

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Speaker 9: You know, it was I mean it was from the

1516
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Speaker 9: from the get go.

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Speaker 18: Yeah, I'm not new to this, Like I know, from

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Speaker 18: the beginning when somebody is not interested in being and

1519
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Speaker 18: being interviewed, and so we knew we needed to get out.

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Speaker 18: But it was just a timing thing, you know, when

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Speaker 18: you're at the end of the show. And he was

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Speaker 18: actually supposed to be on the show earlier but was late,

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01:18:57,640 --> 01:19:00,479
Speaker 18: and so we we would just figure ring out how

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01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 18: quickly we could hand off to Laura Coates at eleven o'clock.

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01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:07,120
Speaker 2: Put you in a good class, and Cam's got some

1526
01:19:07,240 --> 01:19:16,439
Speaker 2: really good interviews with news and.

1527
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:15,559
Speaker 1: Some great moments.

1528
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:17,040
Speaker 10: They'll get sat on the playlist somewhere.

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01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 9: Absolutely absolutely not. We are not. That is not a class.

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01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 1: And I think you said I want to be he

1531
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:24,240
Speaker 1: said was his favorite.

1532
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:26,120
Speaker 2: I asked him which one with the and is a

1533
01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 2: Cooper sixty Minutes interview the bill O'Reilly? When he was

1534
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:32,720
Speaker 2: like you mad you mad Abbey film? He said yes

1535
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,040
Speaker 2: because he sold a big horse power.

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01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 9: I'm happy for.

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01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 18: I'm happy for him, but.

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01:19:43,360 --> 01:19:46,240
Speaker 10: You know, stuff like that personally when it happens.

1539
01:19:46,600 --> 01:19:48,760
Speaker 9: No, absolutely, not.

1540
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 10: Not personally, but just like, why you why my show?

1541
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 10: I'm I'm a black Like why me?

1542
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:54,519
Speaker 9: No?

1543
01:19:54,720 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 18: I you know what, let me just I'll just say

1544
01:19:57,320 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 18: this because I don't I've never talked I've actually never

1545
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 18: talked about this before.

1546
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:02,959
Speaker 9: But when that happened.

1547
01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:07,000
Speaker 18: Our booker who booked that interview was a young woman

1548
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:13,000
Speaker 18: and she was very upset about it, and I said

1549
01:20:13,040 --> 01:20:16,559
Speaker 18: to her afterwards, and I said to my entire team,

1550
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 18: I was like, this is not going to be a

1551
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:22,760
Speaker 18: reason that we play it safe. We are not going

1552
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:25,800
Speaker 18: to take this as a moment to say, oh, this

1553
01:20:25,920 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 18: happened to us, we can't have people like that on

1554
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 18: our air.

1555
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 9: Again.

1556
01:20:29,120 --> 01:20:32,840
Speaker 18: I don't believe in that. I think that we are.

1557
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:37,360
Speaker 18: We are out here trying to to hear from people

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01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:42,759
Speaker 18: who are interesting and different, and maybe sometimes it goes left.

1559
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:46,000
Speaker 18: But I'm not gonna this is We're not gonna come

1560
01:20:46,000 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 18: down on you for booking this interview because we want

1561
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,960
Speaker 18: to bring interesting people onto the show and it was

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01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:54,840
Speaker 18: important to me to convey to them that we're not

1563
01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,680
Speaker 18: gonna go into a little ball and be like, oh

1564
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:00,800
Speaker 18: my god, this went viral and this was were saying, no,

1565
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 18: this too shall pass. Like he had his moment, It

1566
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:09,519
Speaker 18: was fine. I don't really care do I wish he

1567
01:21:09,560 --> 01:21:13,080
Speaker 18: didn't do that on the air yet, But but I'm

1568
01:21:13,080 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 18: not using it as an excuse to say that we're

1569
01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 18: going to play it safe on television, because that's not

1570
01:21:18,560 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 18: what we're doing here.

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01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 1: So fantastic booking.

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01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 2: What's her name, fantastic book every night.

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01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 18: She unfortunately she moved to a different city, so she's

1574
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 18: no longer with us. But yeah, but we listen. It

1575
01:21:37,920 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 18: wasn't just her. I told her boss too, and I

1576
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 18: was like, we are not. We are not going to

1577
01:21:43,560 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 18: treat this like some kind of major mistake because it

1578
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 18: was not. It is television, and sometimes in television you

1579
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 18: have guests and you don't know what they're going to say,

1580
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,320
Speaker 18: and the whole point of TV is not to be

1581
01:21:56,840 --> 01:21:59,680
Speaker 18: predictable and boring, So let's not do that.

1582
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: I thoroughly enjoy your bookings. I thoroughly enjoy your show.

1583
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 2: Make sure y'all watch Abby Phillip on CNN News Night

1584
01:22:05,720 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 2: every night at ten, and then there's table for five

1585
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 2: comes on at.

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01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,439
Speaker 18: O'clock am on Saturday Saturdays, and don't forget to buy

1587
01:22:12,479 --> 01:22:12,800
Speaker 18: the book.

1588
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:16,200
Speaker 2: Yes, Dream Deferred, it's out right now, Jesse Jackson in

1589
01:22:16,200 --> 01:22:19,799
Speaker 2: the fight for Black political power, it's Abby Philip, It's.

1590
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,840
Speaker 1: The Breakfast Club. You got a positive note? I do

1591
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 1: have a positive note.

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01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 12: Man.

1593
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:26,479
Speaker 2: I want y'all to develop an attitude of gratitude and

1594
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 2: give thanks for everything that happens to you, knowing that

1595
01:22:29,040 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 2: every step forward is a step toward achieving something bigger

1596
01:22:32,360 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 2: and better than your current situation.

1597
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:36,320
Speaker 1: Breakfast Club, you don't

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01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 9: Finish for y'all done.