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Speaker 1: Before we begin, a reminder to please rate and review

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Speaker 1: the program. On this episode of Sports Illustrated Weekly, when

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Speaker 1: balsax sports started posting made up reports on social media

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Speaker 1: about athletes and coaches and the guys of real journalism,

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Speaker 1: it got a ton of attention for fooling all sorts

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Speaker 1: of big names, from NBA general managers to talking heads

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Speaker 1: on ESPN and Fox News. S I stafford Ben Pickman

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Speaker 1: joins us to explain who was behind boss ex Sports,

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Speaker 1: how the creator was trying to send a message about

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Speaker 1: misinformation and how we consume news in a supersaturated digital age,

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Speaker 1: and why the founder recently shut the whole enterprise down.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, John Gonzalez from Sports Illustrated and I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. This is Sports Illustrated Weekly. Alright, Ben, So

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Speaker 1: this is a particularly unusual story. I'm not sure quite

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Speaker 1: What does ball sax sports, or rather, what was it?

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Speaker 1: Ball sax sports was a Twitter account that started last

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Speaker 1: September and amassed more than a hundred and eighty thousand

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Speaker 1: followers on the platform in the nine months before it

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Speaker 1: was deactivated, and what it was, exactly john, was an

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Speaker 1: account that made up fake sports graphics, taking photos of

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Speaker 1: players and making up quotes and posting that on its

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Speaker 1: feed and watching those quotes go viral. The creator of

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Speaker 1: ball Sack Sports did it as a way to try

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Speaker 1: and expose how misinformation spread online. That was one of

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Speaker 1: his intentions when he was creating the account. And he

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Speaker 1: had this hypothesis that he could gain an audience doing so,

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Speaker 1: and he wanted to test his hypothesis out, and he

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Speaker 1: kind of created this account using a humorous name, an

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Speaker 1: obscene name, one that he said was so out there,

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Speaker 1: so blatantly obvious, like ball sack Sports, and he kind

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Speaker 1: of wanted to just saturate the market with a ton

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Speaker 1: of these fake NBA quote graphics. So who is this

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Speaker 1: mad scientist behind in the sociology experiment who came up

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Speaker 1: with a name soaper raising and so obvious that somehow

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Speaker 1: He is a person named Matt. He lives in Ohio

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Speaker 1: and he grew up reading websites like ESPN, dot com

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Speaker 1: and Bleacher Report. He was a reader of Sports Illustrated

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Speaker 1: and he was a sports fan, and is still a

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Speaker 1: sports fan, but he watched as he aged how his

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Speaker 1: own consumption kind of changed and he started to read

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Speaker 1: less and less, and he recognized that his feed and

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Speaker 1: people around him, some of his peers, were mostly consuming

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Speaker 1: sports information by headlines and seeing graphics. And so that's

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Speaker 1: some of what he's kind of playing into. I feel

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Speaker 1: like a lot of the sports media, or media in general,

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Speaker 1: has become like fast food. I stopped reading. Everything seemed

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Speaker 1: to be more streamed. Here's the story, here's a pick.

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Speaker 1: And that was some of the impetus for ball Sack Sports.

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Speaker 1: You know, he is a big basketball fan himself, and

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Speaker 1: you know this is SI Weekly, this is your podcast, John,

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Speaker 1: and so every show needs to have a sixer's tie.

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Speaker 1: I mean so last September, Matt actually saw a tweet

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Speaker 1: from Joel embiid y'all have no idea how much this

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Speaker 1: media makes up stuff for followers, and shame on you

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Speaker 1: for believing them. And that was some of the impetus

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Speaker 1: for creating this account. He wanted to kind of play

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Speaker 1: he wanted to expose misinformation and how it kind of

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Speaker 1: good job of doing so, and it turns out he did.

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Speaker 1: He did a great job of it. And I want

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Speaker 1: call it sacking. What do we call when he when

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Speaker 1: he ends up tricking these people? Sacking is the right term.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he kind of built up a community of

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Speaker 1: sometimes would go in the comments on Twitter and say

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Speaker 1: you got sacked. So, yes, sacking is definitely the right

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Speaker 1: term in this contex. Sure, we're adults and we went

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Speaker 1: But I had noticed that you you call him Matt,

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that he's from Ohio. This is precious little

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Speaker 1: information on the man behind this account, the man behind

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Speaker 1: I think he just kind of wanted to keep his

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Speaker 1: This is not his day job, nor is it his career.

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Speaker 1: Uh So he starts his account in September and it

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Speaker 1: acknowledged ball sack sports. I mean we had we had

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Speaker 1: sacks for tweets and treat them. The night before Darryl

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Speaker 1: Darryl calling it out and that was a big popularity

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Speaker 1: It fooled Fox Sports twice. He made up something about

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Speaker 1: that got people all riled up about Michael Jordan's and

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Speaker 1: it also fooled you know credit where it's too. Our employer,

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Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated was also duped by this thing. But what

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Speaker 1: this big conceit that he came up with that duped

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Speaker 1: what what specifically did he say about Josh Smith and

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Speaker 1: Bizarre app, which is just a kind of normal iPhone

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Speaker 1: them at all. But this Josh Smith graphic was created

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Speaker 1: the idea to riff off of old players, oftentimes bashing

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Speaker 1: found a photo of Josh Smith. He created this graphic

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Speaker 1: This has a very funny point to whet it with

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Speaker 1: He did this with two diet cokes. He did this

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Speaker 1: one website, OutKick dot Com, wrote it up. It was

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Speaker 1: got Kendrick Perkins in ESPN too, right, Yes, he did

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Speaker 1: guard Kyrie Irving. And on this graphic it posited that

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Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Kendrick Perkins alluded to it, so did

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Speaker 1: Steven A. Smith. But of course the report originated on

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Speaker 1: forty lights. On the graphic, the information was attributed to

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Speaker 1: Quota Brooklyn Nets executive, but as we've been talking about,

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Speaker 1: its actual creator was just Balls ex Sports. So what

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Speaker 1: did Matt think while all this was going on? Because

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Speaker 1: his intention was to do people, to sack people, and

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Speaker 1: was beyond his wildest dreams. Not only where all these

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Speaker 1: by people who did realize that ball Sack Sports was

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Speaker 1: not a real outlet. You're one of those people. Awful

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Speaker 1: what is his understanding and how is he processing all this.

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Speaker 1: He voiced that the Josh Smith graphic was kind of

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