Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On.
Speaker 1: The people have one of victory. The right to life
Speaker 1: has been vindicated. It's a sad day of the Court
Speaker 1: and for the country. American women today have less freedom
Speaker 1: than their mothers. The Court affirmed today that every life
Speaker 1: is worth living. Bloomberg Sound On, Politics, Policy and Perspective
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Speaker 1: public policy that affect millions, hundreds of millions of people
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Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The draft opinion was
Speaker 1: the opinion as the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics on an historic
Speaker 1: day in America, as the High Court rescinds the constitutional
Speaker 1: right to an abortion. We'll be hearing from some of
Speaker 1: the smartest minds from politics, six and law over the
Speaker 1: next hour with Bloomberg's June Grosso, the host of Bloomberg Law,
Speaker 1: Michael Dorff, constitutional law expert and Cornell Law School professor,
Speaker 1: and analysis from the signature sound on panel. Bloomberg Politics
Speaker 1: contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis are both with us.
Speaker 1: Later we'll discuss the way forward on Capitol Hill if
Speaker 1: there is one with Bloomberg Government's Emily Wilkins, who has
Speaker 1: been there throughout this day. We've lined up some important
Speaker 1: insights for you, and it has been quite a day
Speaker 1: here in the nation's capital. As the ruling didn't come
Speaker 1: as a surprise necessarily after the leak, but a lot
Speaker 1: of us still had to look twice when the headline
Speaker 1: crossed the terminal Supreme Court overturns Row. There it is
Speaker 1: and historic ruling, as Gregg Store writes for Bloomberg, likely
Speaker 1: to render the procedure largely illegal in half the country
Speaker 1: and further polarized a deeply divided nation. Having spent the
Speaker 1: better part of six hours in front of the Supreme
Speaker 1: Court today, I can personally tell you that division was
Speaker 1: on display, and we saw it politically as well from
Speaker 1: both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. President Biden, the health and
Speaker 1: life of women in this nation are now at risk.
Speaker 1: As chairman and ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee,
Speaker 1: as Vice President, now as President United States. I've studied
Speaker 1: this case carefully. I've over seen more Supreme Court confirmations
Speaker 1: than anyone today where this case was always discussed. I
Speaker 1: believe Roe v. Wade was a correct decision. He called
Speaker 1: it a sad day for the Court, in a sad
Speaker 1: day for America, and urged people to vote more Democrats
Speaker 1: into office so the right can be restored, if I
Speaker 1: can use that term legislatively. The other side of the
Speaker 1: coin and the aisle from Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader
Speaker 1: in the House expected to be speaker should the Republican
Speaker 1: Party take the majority. He was there to celebrate, you know,
Speaker 1: today's Supreme Court decision and Dobbs is the most important
Speaker 1: pro life ruling American history. By a vote of six
Speaker 1: to three, the Court affirmed that the power to protect
Speaker 1: unborn life is returned to the people and their elected representatives.
Speaker 1: The people have won a victory, The right to life
Speaker 1: has been vindicated. The voiceless will finally have a voice.
Speaker 1: And here, of course, on Bloomberg Sound on, we seek context, perspective,
Speaker 1: and a sense of understanding here from both sides of
Speaker 1: this very sensitive issue. When we're gonna do that over
Speaker 1: the next hour beginning with June Grosso, our colleague at
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Law, the host of Bloomberg Law and Bloomberg Radio, June,
Speaker 1: it's great to have you. We knew this ruling was
Speaker 1: coming for the most part after that leak. Were you
Speaker 1: amazed at how similar the final version was. I wasn't
Speaker 1: only amazed at how similar the final version was. I
Speaker 1: was still shocked even though we knew it was coming,
Speaker 1: because when you see it written right in front of you,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned on the terminal, when you see it
Speaker 1: written there and you realize that it happened where there
Speaker 1: was always a little hope that maybe something would happen.
Speaker 1: Justice Roberts would pull a rabbit out of a hat
Speaker 1: and something would happen so that we wouldn't have this
Speaker 1: endpoint of doing away with Roe v. Wade and a
Speaker 1: constitutional right to abortion which women have enjoyed for nearly
Speaker 1: half a century. Yeah, of course, a lot of people
Speaker 1: think who wanted this to happen and fought for it?
Speaker 1: I thought he did pull a rabbit out of his
Speaker 1: hat today, so to speak. Interesting though that this was
Speaker 1: this was not exactly six three as as he didn't
Speaker 1: rule entirely with the majority right. Justice Roberts agreed the
Speaker 1: case was the Mississippi case and the Mississippi ban on abortion.
Speaker 1: After fifteen weeks, Justice Roberts rule with the majority in
Speaker 1: that instance, but he was it was a concurrence. He
Speaker 1: said he would not have gone as far as the
Speaker 1: majority did. He would not have overturned o v. Wade.
Speaker 1: And we know that he's an incrementalist. We know that
Speaker 1: he likes to do things in bits and pieces, which
Speaker 1: is why I think this. When the draft came down,
Speaker 1: it's surprised so many people because they expected that Justice
Speaker 1: Roberts would still have his way and they would incrementally
Speaker 1: move along. But you're right. You know, abortion opponents have
Speaker 1: been working on this since Roe v. Wade was first
Speaker 1: announced decided, So uh, you know, they've been working, and
Speaker 1: I think abortion rights activists have been not expecting this
Speaker 1: until the draft came out, not expecting this to happen
Speaker 1: so soon. I'm sure you have a great conversation lined
Speaker 1: up for Bloomberg Law tonight, ten pm, Washington Time, Wall
Speaker 1: Street Time, June Grass. So I'm glad you could talk
Speaker 1: to us on an historic day and it's a conversation
Speaker 1: that I'm I'm sure you, and I will continue as
Speaker 1: we bring in Michael Dorff, a constitutional law voice Cornell
Speaker 1: Law School professor. Michael, it's great to have you with
Speaker 1: us here. There are so many questions that we have,
Speaker 1: UH in terms of what this is going to mean
Speaker 1: for the makeup of the nation. So many states had
Speaker 1: these trigger laws. I believe it was more than a
Speaker 1: dozen thirteen trigger laws, but also sixteen states have protections
Speaker 1: already in place. They started passing these laws on the
Speaker 1: state level as some of these justices were confirmed during
Speaker 1: the Trump administration. Do you have a long view, Michael,
Speaker 1: of what the country is gonna look like once all
Speaker 1: of the dust settles here? For instance, Virginia, the governor Virginia,
Speaker 1: youcan is going to seek a fifteen week abortion law
Speaker 1: in the state. Do you have a sense of where
Speaker 1: this is going? I think in the short term we
Speaker 1: will see a patchwork UH states like Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana,
Speaker 1: states that have UH strongly anti abortion legislatures and governors
Speaker 1: will either enact or start to enforce existing laws. UH.
Speaker 1: States like New York, California, most of the New England
Speaker 1: states will continue to keep abortion legal. There will during
Speaker 1: that period likely be efforts by pro choice groups to
Speaker 1: make abortion available via travel from states that forbid most
Speaker 1: or nearly all abortions to states were abortion is more
Speaker 1: readily available. And that actually calls to mind one of
Speaker 1: the interesting points in a concurrence by Justice Kavanaugh in
Speaker 1: the case, in which he says that he thinks, UH,
Speaker 1: it's not directly at issue in this case, but he
Speaker 1: wants to assure people that to travel, UH, there is
Speaker 1: a right to travel. That's right, that is a constitution
Speaker 1: guarantees it right to interstate travel. So that UH, states
Speaker 1: like Missouri and Oklahoma which had efforts to ban travel
Speaker 1: to other states to have an abortion, so that they
Speaker 1: won't be able to do that. Now it remains to
Speaker 1: be seen whether uh, there would be five votes to
Speaker 1: strike down such a law forbidding interstate travel to have
Speaker 1: an abortion. But that's at least raises the possibility that
Speaker 1: women who have the wherewithal because weave their home state
Speaker 1: if it forbids abortion, will be able to do so.
Speaker 1: And if you live in Texas, that's going to be
Speaker 1: a four or five mile trip. But and before you
Speaker 1: move on, it's important that you brought that up, Michael,
Speaker 1: because the President did as well, and he seemed very
Speaker 1: concerned about it and said that he would you know,
Speaker 1: he wouldn't allow anyone to stand in the way of
Speaker 1: women's right to travel. That that doesn't say a lot
Speaker 1: about the Democrats hopes to turn this around anytime soon, right,
Speaker 1: that's right. I think that one possibility theory, of course,
Speaker 1: is that Congress could pass a law using its power
Speaker 1: to regulate interstate commerce, which is broad and includes the
Speaker 1: provision of medical services like abortion, that would preempt state
Speaker 1: laws for bedding abortion. So a federal codification, if you will,
Speaker 1: of the pre doobs right to abortion is at least
Speaker 1: a possibility. The difficulty is that that would take UH
Speaker 1: sixty votes in the it to overcome a filibuster or
Speaker 1: uh one of the two Democratic senators who have made
Speaker 1: clear that they don't want to change the filibuster, Joe
Speaker 1: Manchin and Christian Cinema would have to both change their
Speaker 1: mind to that, and that seems unlikely. I think it's
Speaker 1: more it's actually more likely if there is to be
Speaker 1: national legislation, that the next time we have a Republican
Speaker 1: Congress and a Republican president, we might see a national
Speaker 1: abortion ban, in which case abortion would be illegal, not
Speaker 1: just in those states that forbid it, but throughout everywhere,
Speaker 1: in states like New York, California. We have so much
Speaker 1: to figure out here. The President and Speaker Pelosi have
Speaker 1: suggested that this opens the door could set precedent to
Speaker 1: overturn other rights, same sex marriage, contraception even UH. Is
Speaker 1: that an extreme view, Michael, or is that in fact possible?
Speaker 1: Justice Clarence Thomas wrote a concurrence in the case saying
Speaker 1: that he would like to do exactly that. He's as
Speaker 1: that the UH constitutional rubric under which the Court had
Speaker 1: recognized the right to abortion, what is sometimes called substantive
Speaker 1: due process, should be abandoned across the board, and he
Speaker 1: singled out law the court's rulings that protected a right
Speaker 1: to same sex sexual relations, to same sex marriage, to contraception. UH.
Speaker 1: He left open the possibility that, in his view, those
Speaker 1: rights might be protected under some other provisions. That seems
Speaker 1: very unlikely, I should say. Justice Alito, in his majority opinion,
Speaker 1: says that you don't need to worry about that. He
Speaker 1: doesn't intend to do that. That that that's different. But
Speaker 1: as the dissenters point out, and as I think the
Speaker 1: logic of justice Thomas's concurrence says it's not clear that
Speaker 1: he'll hold that line. So I think there will be
Speaker 1: a concerted effort at least to bring to the court
Speaker 1: cases that provide the possibility of overturning those other rights.
Speaker 1: If I had to bet, I would say they won't
Speaker 1: do it. But it's not because it doesn't follow logically
Speaker 1: from the open. But it's not a false conversation for
Speaker 1: us to have right now. Though, Um, last minute here, Michael,
Speaker 1: I really appreciate your expertise. We as we hear from
Speaker 1: Democrats about moving forward with legislation, how would that look?
Speaker 1: We we understand that this could be tied up in court.
Speaker 1: What is the legislative answer to this if Democrats had
Speaker 1: the numbers. Well, of course, at the state level, it's
Speaker 1: already the abortion right is already protected for the moment
Speaker 1: states right. So Congress would have to pass the law,
Speaker 1: as I said, it would have to. This is not
Speaker 1: a budget bill, so it can't be done through the
Speaker 1: so called reconciliation process that only the president's right elect
Speaker 1: more Democrats. That's right, Well, you'd have to elect a
Speaker 1: lot more Democrats, which is very difficult to do given
Speaker 1: the math of the Senate, which it's not gonna happen. Michael,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us on Bloomberg Radio.
Speaker 1: Sound on continues as we assemble the panel, Rick and
Speaker 1: Genie Way and next, I'm Joe Matthew. This Bloomberg. This
Speaker 1: is Bloomberg sond On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio.
Speaker 1: We heard from Donald Trump. Of course, following the ruling,
Speaker 1: he did issue a statement. He says, today's decision, which
Speaker 1: was the biggest win for life and a generation, along
Speaker 1: with other decisions that have been announced recently, We're only
Speaker 1: made possible because I delivered everything as promised, including nominating
Speaker 1: and getting three highly respected and strong constitutionalists confirmed the U. S.
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. He says, it was my great honor to
Speaker 1: do so. Exclamation points. Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House,
Speaker 1: kind of said the same thing. Because of Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell, and the Republican Party their super majority in
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, American women today have less freedom than
Speaker 1: their mothers. The Congress will continue to act to overcome
Speaker 1: this extremism and extremism and protect American people. Let's assemble
Speaker 1: the panel. We didn't know we'd be talking about this today.
Speaker 1: We thought it might happen. A lot of folks saw
Speaker 1: it coming next week. Other way. Jennie Chanzano and Rick
Speaker 1: Davis are here the two people we want to hear
Speaker 1: from now Bloomberg Politics contributors and of course our signature
Speaker 1: panel on sound on. Let me have a genie, it
Speaker 1: actually happened. The draft was the final version. Nancy Pelosi
Speaker 1: seems to think that there is a legislative answer to this,
Speaker 1: but Democrats don't have the numbers, do they. They do not.
Speaker 1: Um you know, I have to say I agree with June.
Speaker 1: You know, even though we saw this coming and the draft,
Speaker 1: this very much echoes the draft. It is startling to
Speaker 1: see it in black and white because what the majority
Speaker 1: did is they literally rolled back a right that women
Speaker 1: have enjoyed for half a century. And it's not just that,
Speaker 1: as if that wasn't enough. But as I've read now
Speaker 1: a couple of times the majority decision, it is the
Speaker 1: tone of this decision and the approach. By my count,
Speaker 1: he uses the term on born human being about eleven times.
Speaker 1: This is a marked change from talk about a right
Speaker 1: to privacy and the right to choose. So this is
Speaker 1: a very different sort of approach to reading the Constitution
Speaker 1: than we've seen in our lifetimes. Well, what does it
Speaker 1: mean for Democrats on the campaign, triol Genie. I know
Speaker 1: that that's the kind of the next place everybody looks.
Speaker 1: Is this going to be the mobilizing elements that changes
Speaker 1: the game in Washington in November? I don't know that
Speaker 1: it's going to change the game. We heard Joe Biden,
Speaker 1: we heard Nancy Plose. You know, they're saying that Roe
Speaker 1: is on the ballot, you need to make your voices
Speaker 1: heard in November. But I don't know that it is
Speaker 1: going to change much visa v. Washington. I do think
Speaker 1: it is going to be a really big impact at
Speaker 1: the state level. You know, we're looking at gubernatorial races,
Speaker 1: legislative races were quite frankly, Republicans have been doing very
Speaker 1: very well. They control about three quarters of the state
Speaker 1: legislatures and governorships in this country. Um, and so this
Speaker 1: may have a much bigger impact there because quite frankly,
Speaker 1: as you were just discussing uh with Michael, there's there's
Speaker 1: no chance that Democrats have the number in the Senate
Speaker 1: they need to get something like a national law pass.
Speaker 1: So this is going to be a state a state fight,
Speaker 1: Rick Davis. Republicans in Washington have been largely silent on
Speaker 1: this issue. Uh, knowing that inflation, the economy, and other
Speaker 1: issues that we tend to talk about every day here
Speaker 1: on this program are likely to be on voters minds
Speaker 1: when they vote in November. Is that the right attack? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think that you've you've you've got the right perspective
Speaker 1: on this. I mean, the Republicans are going into this
Speaker 1: election cycle just less than six months away, with the
Speaker 1: wind at their backs. And the wind is the dismal
Speaker 1: management of the economy by the Biden administration. And so
Speaker 1: why change the topic, right? Why why get off into
Speaker 1: a social war around issues like abortion and guns? Frankly
Speaker 1: that we had last week in order to draw a
Speaker 1: distraction away from the number one issue in most households
Speaker 1: is inflation. And if your Republicans are on the off,
Speaker 1: can you not assume that Democrats could have a much
Speaker 1: higher turnout because of this or is that not foregone? Well,
Speaker 1: they have You can only turn out the vote you have, right,
Speaker 1: And so the problem that Democrats have is they have
Speaker 1: a turnout issue, they have less intensity and most of
Speaker 1: the surveys. So they've got to try and figure out
Speaker 1: how to get their voters excited, and of course that
Speaker 1: this abortion ruling may do that, but that's only those
Speaker 1: voters who are going to side with them on the
Speaker 1: abortion issue. If you have lost faith in the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party because of inflation, you're and you've made a decision
Speaker 1: at this point, or you're leaning towards voting for Republicans
Speaker 1: because of that, you may not be distracted by the
Speaker 1: abortion issue to turn around and drop your focus on
Speaker 1: economy in order to be lockstep with Democrats on abortion.
Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of polling on this obviously,
Speaker 1: Uh Democrats, you can see the path year. Will Republicans
Speaker 1: be rewarded somehow for closing the deal on this, for
Speaker 1: finishing the job? Jennie, You know, I do think with
Speaker 1: their base absolutely, they have made a concerted for over
Speaker 1: fifty years to make this happen, and that was the
Speaker 1: culmination of what we saw with this decision today. But
Speaker 1: I think there are so many unknowns as it pertains
Speaker 1: to the politics around this. And just as an example,
Speaker 1: there is an economic impact of this decision on people,
Speaker 1: a very visceral impact. There's a visceral impact on companies,
Speaker 1: many of whom have already spoken out about helping their
Speaker 1: employees get the necessary health care they need. And let's
Speaker 1: not forget in twenty eighteen it was the issue of
Speaker 1: health care that helped Democrats do better than we thought
Speaker 1: they would do. It's a very different year in two arguably,
Speaker 1: but this again allows Democrats to raise the case that
Speaker 1: this issue of health care is on the ballot once again.
Speaker 1: These are deeply personal issues, I would argue as personal
Speaker 1: as issues of inflation and the economy. So I just
Speaker 1: think we don't know where this is going to land politically,
Speaker 1: particularly since we now have as of today, some Americans
Speaker 1: living in a state where they enjoy right and others
Speaker 1: that have been completely cut off. And that impact is
Speaker 1: wider than women. It's impacted men and and so many people.
Speaker 1: And certainly some people support this, but there's also a
Speaker 1: large segment who are not as keen on the idea
Speaker 1: that they have been shut off from this right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how to Democrats keep it in the air? Ic quickly? Here?
Speaker 1: November is aways off. Still, Well, they're going to have
Speaker 1: to have their leaders like the President, the Speaker and
Speaker 1: the Majority leader and Senate talking about it, which of
Speaker 1: course takes time away from their efforts to try and
Speaker 1: reform the economy. Boy, isn't that right soon? Because we
Speaker 1: needed more distractions in Washington, Rick and Jenior with us
Speaker 1: for the hour. We're gonna bring in Emily Wilkins next
Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Government to figure more on democrats plans in
Speaker 1: Congress after the ruling today. This is Bloomberg. It was
Speaker 1: quite a day, it has been. It goes on by
Speaker 1: the way in Washington, d C. As thousands of people
Speaker 1: turned up upon this ruling in front of the Supreme Court.
Speaker 1: This went on for hours and it still pops up
Speaker 1: from time to time as the crowd gets worked up
Speaker 1: one way or the other. If you listen here, pro
Speaker 1: life and pro choice protesters, and they were standing across
Speaker 1: the street from each other in many cases shoulders or
Speaker 1: shoulder in the heat of the summer sun in Washington
Speaker 1: for hours. Hundreds showed up actually before the ruling, which
Speaker 1: was remarkable knowing that well, we didn't know the ruling
Speaker 1: was coming. A lot of people thought it might be Monday.
Speaker 1: We didn't know what case would be released today. And
Speaker 1: they're still out there now as we look at a
Speaker 1: live view of that crowd is not getting smaller. Massive
Speaker 1: barriers set up around the Supreme Court following the leak
Speaker 1: that's still there, and they've got bike racks set up
Speaker 1: going all the way around that side of Capitol Hill,
Speaker 1: where we catch up with Emily Wilkins Bloomberg, government Congress
Speaker 1: reporter and of course a friend of the family here
Speaker 1: on Bloomberg. Sound on Emily. It's been a long day.
Speaker 1: We've heard from Kevin McCarthy and from Nancy Pelosi. You
Speaker 1: cover the leadership on Capitol Hill. What are we gonna
Speaker 1: see on both sides of the aisle as a response
Speaker 1: to this? So I think what you're seeing today, of course,
Speaker 1: is a lot of emotion from both sides. You had
Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi, Um, you know, usually she walks the podium
Speaker 1: says good morning, and this morning she walked into the
Speaker 1: podium and said she couldn't say good morning because it
Speaker 1: wasn't one. Meanwhile, Republicans rallied and forced They had a
Speaker 1: huge press conference, a lot of them behind Kevin McCarthy, um,
Speaker 1: you know, saying that the Claires declaimed this is a victory,
Speaker 1: but that this was also only the start that Republicans
Speaker 1: they want to be able to do more. Um. They
Speaker 1: noted that they there has been support in the past
Speaker 1: for a bill that would ban abortions after twenty weeks.
Speaker 1: Now Republicans say that they would be supportive of a
Speaker 1: bill that would ban abortions after fifteen weeks. And you
Speaker 1: heard McCarthy voices support for that. Certainly in a scenario,
Speaker 1: in a likely scenario that the Republicans do win Congress
Speaker 1: in November, this could certainly be a piece of legislation
Speaker 1: that we see past. Of of course, uh, probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: make it passed the Senate regardless of who's in charge,
Speaker 1: because of the filibuster, and wouldn't make it passed Biden signature. Um.
Speaker 1: But it kind of shows you what the Republican Party
Speaker 1: is thinking right now as far as next steps about
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, Democrats don't have the votes to do
Speaker 1: much here right Emily, they don't. And the other thing
Speaker 1: is when I talked with a lot of Democrats today
Speaker 1: is saying what can you do next? You know, it's
Speaker 1: mostly speaking with those in the House, um, And they
Speaker 1: their message was really, you know, we we can't do
Speaker 1: much that they've already passed legislation to codify Road versus Wade,
Speaker 1: and it's now in the Senate. We had a number
Speaker 1: of UM lawmakers where I spoke with Congressman David Ceiline
Speaker 1: who said, you know, they need to end the filibuster
Speaker 1: in the Senate. Uh. Spoke with another lawmakers today who said,
Speaker 1: they need to make sure that Democrats add two more
Speaker 1: senators to their roster after November, UM, so they can
Speaker 1: overturn the filibuster. But let's let's be real here, Joe,
Speaker 1: A lot of those possibilities, it's not clear that there's
Speaker 1: a support. It's it's there's not like a concrete path
Speaker 1: to really get there, particularly given Biden's low poll numbers
Speaker 1: and the fact that historically, uh, this is set up
Speaker 1: to be a better year for Republicans than Democrats. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty incredible following the House today passing that gun safety
Speaker 1: legislation that that also was you know, a first and
Speaker 1: thirty years we're talking about this ruling being turning over
Speaker 1: the history of the last fifty years here. Well, Republicans, then, Emily,
Speaker 1: if I understand you right, start preemptively preparing that legislation
Speaker 1: should they have the majority in the fall. UM the
Speaker 1: legislation on the the abortions that fifteen weeks. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: there's already been discussioned about that. There are already bills
Speaker 1: written up that have been introduced in the past. It
Speaker 1: can easily be tweaked and changed. I mean, for Republicans,
Speaker 1: abortion is no longer you know. Yes, this is a
Speaker 1: day that they count as a victory and that many
Speaker 1: of them are celebrating, but they still see it as
Speaker 1: more needs to be done. That a lot of them
Speaker 1: don't want to simply say we're going to leave it
Speaker 1: to the states. Um. For many of them, it's it's
Speaker 1: a very personal issue. It's an issue that ties back
Speaker 1: to their religious beliefs and the beliefs um of a
Speaker 1: number of of their really strong UH base of the
Speaker 1: Republican Party, and so they do see a need to
Speaker 1: do more there. You cover the capital every day, Emily.
Speaker 1: You're in that complex every day. I spent a long
Speaker 1: time there today in front of the Supreme Court and Capitol.
Speaker 1: Police were there in massive numbers. At one point, some
Speaker 1: busses rolled up. In my goodness, I couldn't count how many,
Speaker 1: uh there were, how many dozens of police officers there
Speaker 1: were in reflector vests. We know that the barriers up
Speaker 1: around the court. Uh, there are smaller barriers like I
Speaker 1: described as bike racks around that side of the capital.
Speaker 1: But are we going to see a massive uptick insecurity
Speaker 1: here following not only this but the January six hearings
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, this is what the Capitol Police
Speaker 1: as well as the DC Police, they were preparing for. That.
Speaker 1: They didn't know if the ruling was going to come
Speaker 1: on Friday or Monday or Wednesday, but they knew that
Speaker 1: they had to be ready when it did happen because
Speaker 1: they did anticipate the protests that we are seeing at
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. You're also seeing, um, even some businesses downtown.
Speaker 1: I've I've seen photos circulating on social media of them
Speaker 1: serves preparing, you know, potentially for protests over the weekend
Speaker 1: and in the coming weeks. Yeah, there could be uh
Speaker 1: supply would going up around here. Emily, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I know you've had a busy day and I appreciate
Speaker 1: your insights. We wanted to make sure we heard from
Speaker 1: Emily Wilkins at Bloomberg Government because she covers Congress every day,
Speaker 1: as you just heard, having a good sense of this,
Speaker 1: we're getting some news here. First of all breaking news
Speaker 1: from uh the Attorney General Eric Schmidt of Missouri. Following
Speaker 1: the Scotus ruling, he tweets, Missouri has just become the
Speaker 1: first in the country to effectively end abortion with our
Speaker 1: a g opinion signed moments ago, an image of him
Speaker 1: putting pen to paper what he calls a monumental day
Speaker 1: for the same city of life. We can just also
Speaker 1: add now Arkansas trigger band certified. This is coming before
Speaker 1: me as we speak. Abortion now banned in Arkansas. Certification
Speaker 1: came just hours as I read, after the U. S.
Speaker 1: Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. This is happening before
Speaker 1: our eyes in real time. That's why you're with us
Speaker 1: here on the fastest hour in politics. We will reassemble
Speaker 1: the panel next and get more into this along with
Speaker 1: the security aspect, with some very real concerns about what
Speaker 1: might happen in the Capitol tonight and over the weekend.
Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano are back in next Bloomberg
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Speaker 1: because this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. So on with
Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The response was pretty immediate
Speaker 1: following the rule. It happened at ten ten a m.
Speaker 1: Washington time. That's when we learned that the Supreme Court
Speaker 1: had ruled to overturn Roe v. Wade. The President spoke
Speaker 1: from the White House a short time later. Today, the
Speaker 1: Supreme Court the United States expressly took away the conscious
Speaker 1: of right from the American people that has already recognized.
Speaker 1: They didn't limit it, they simply took it away. It's
Speaker 1: never been done to write so important to so many Americans,
Speaker 1: but they did it. It's a sad day for the
Speaker 1: Court and for the country. Republican House Leader Kevin McCarthy
Speaker 1: and the truth is, pro life Americans are not planning
Speaker 1: a night of rage. So you're at the reaction to
Speaker 1: this principal decision by the Court. It must be peaceful
Speaker 1: and the d o J must step up to protect
Speaker 1: our justices, their families, churches, and pro life pregnancy centers
Speaker 1: from unprovoked violence. Speaking with other members of the Republican
Speaker 1: leadership in the House, that pretty much gives you the story.
Speaker 1: As these politicians represent both sides of the argument. We
Speaker 1: reassemble our panel on sound on Jeanie Schanzano and Rick
Speaker 1: Davis are with us Rick. There is a concern, apparently
Speaker 1: within Donald Trump's sphere that this actually might be bad
Speaker 1: for Republicans. An interesting story in the New York Times.
Speaker 1: The man most responsible for ending Row worries that it
Speaker 1: could hurt is his party, apparently telling people privately that
Speaker 1: he he could see this angering suburban women, a group
Speaker 1: who helped to tilt the race to President Biden. He
Speaker 1: referred to the Texas abortion law as so stupid that
Speaker 1: they allowed citizens to file lawsuits against people who enabled abortions.
Speaker 1: Is he right about this? Well, every now and then
Speaker 1: a hog can find an acorn if they're blind, So um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he's got a point, right. We've seen it
Speaker 1: in survey data that this will cross pressure certain constituencies
Speaker 1: within the Republican Party and within the swing community, in
Speaker 1: other words, people who aren't self identified as RS and d's.
Speaker 1: We tend to talk too much about polarization because there's
Speaker 1: a wide swath of Americans who aren't associating with either
Speaker 1: party right now, and they're upper grams, and this is
Speaker 1: one of the issues that tends to make them, uh
Speaker 1: go one way or another. And so sure, some of
Speaker 1: these state laws could get pretty doctor naire like the
Speaker 1: Texas law, and and that could turn off suburban voters
Speaker 1: or all kinds of different voters. I would say the
Speaker 1: constituencies around uh, abortion in the road decision have been
Speaker 1: really firmly fixed, you know, for nearly five decades and
Speaker 1: and and not much in the polling data has changed
Speaker 1: in that period of time. Sadly, I've been reading polls
Speaker 1: for almost that same length of time, and and you
Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of gravitational pull. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: you kind of set that that that dinner service at
Speaker 1: the time of row and and and American politics has
Speaker 1: worked around that ever since then, angering suburban women. This
Speaker 1: is a demographic genie that well you know about because
Speaker 1: it helps to decide presidential elections every four years. Now,
Speaker 1: how is this going to cut within suburban women? As
Speaker 1: Donald Trump? Right, you know it could and and this
Speaker 1: is um, you know, a big I think question marks. Still,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that gets people to the polls like being
Speaker 1: angry and losing. Those two things do get people out
Speaker 1: to vote. But I also think we need to be
Speaker 1: a little bit cautious about assuming that this is a
Speaker 1: women's issue per se, and that you know, all women
Speaker 1: think one way about this issue, because that's certainly not true,
Speaker 1: and it's not true about men, you know, or any
Speaker 1: other sort of group. So I think both Democrats and
Speaker 1: Republicans have to be very careful on that, and I
Speaker 1: also think that he he also sort of ignores one
Speaker 1: part of this story, which is that fact that the decision,
Speaker 1: both the majority and the concurrence talks not just about
Speaker 1: a restriction of abortion, but also talks about potentially moving
Speaker 1: forward to address other rights same sex marriage, for instance,
Speaker 1: and consensual sex contraception. And that's something we've heard Democrats
Speaker 1: and the President talk about because that would bring in
Speaker 1: presumably even other constituencies that would be concerned. So this
Speaker 1: could potentially trigger get out the vote drive. I am
Speaker 1: not a person who believes this will surpass people's concern
Speaker 1: about the economy, for instance, but if this is a
Speaker 1: base election and get out the vote is important and
Speaker 1: the middle you know, define some of these purple states,
Speaker 1: it could be an issue that is, you know, really
Speaker 1: important in terms of the outcome of some of these
Speaker 1: close races. Rick, we were saying earlier with regard to
Speaker 1: all of this, you made the point in the nineteen seventies,
Speaker 1: half the Republican Party was pro choice. Uh, A lot
Speaker 1: of Southern Democrats were pro life. How have both parties
Speaker 1: in that period of time become so entrenched around this issue. Well, look,
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was a gravitational issue at
Speaker 1: the time because the parties were changing right. Southern Democrats,
Speaker 1: Dixie Democrats, Dixiecrats were becoming Republicans. Republicans in the Northeast.
Speaker 1: We we held all the state legislatures, in almost all
Speaker 1: the governorships from Maine to New York at one point
Speaker 1: in time as Republicans. You can't even imagine that. Now
Speaker 1: people who were born after night would think you were
Speaker 1: out of your mind to say things like that chairman
Speaker 1: of the Republican Party was was was pro choice. So, uh,
Speaker 1: A lot has changed and and mostly it was this
Speaker 1: moment around Reagan's election really where even though uh it
Speaker 1: wasn't the issue that brought Reagan to uh the presidency,
Speaker 1: it was a chance for social conservatives to rally around
Speaker 1: an individual and really redefine him and in the Repulican
Speaker 1: Party in the process. And that's exactly what happened. And
Speaker 1: you can you can track the emergence of the pro
Speaker 1: choice movement around the Reagan presidency and subsequent presidents after. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we we used we referred to the congressman by the
Speaker 1: name of Henry quay Are, a Democrat from Texas, quite
Speaker 1: a bit earlier this year, and because he won his primary,
Speaker 1: genie as the last anti abortion Democrat in the House.
Speaker 1: We know how many there are, there's one. When you
Speaker 1: look back at the evolution in the Democratic Party, how
Speaker 1: do you rationalize that far a move to the left
Speaker 1: on this single issue. You know, this has been the story,
Speaker 1: whether we're talking about guns or we're talking about abortions,
Speaker 1: of these parties have become so homogeneous in a way
Speaker 1: that makes it very difficult for them to reach across
Speaker 1: the aisle and get things done. I mean, we've talked about,
Speaker 1: you know, the gun control issue, for instance, the last
Speaker 1: big on bill before the one today was because Republicans
Speaker 1: and Democrats were able to find some common ground. That's
Speaker 1: much harder to do on an issue like guns or abortion.
Speaker 1: Whent to your point, you have just one pro life
Speaker 1: Democrat in the entire House, and you know probably how
Speaker 1: many in the Senate, maybe two or three. So it's
Speaker 1: a really really big change, and I think it's a
Speaker 1: dangerous development. That these parties at at the elected level.
Speaker 1: And that's what I want to stress, because there are
Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats who are pro life, just as
Speaker 1: there are a lot of Republicans who are pro choice,
Speaker 1: but they don't get elected in these particularly districts where
Speaker 1: you have this gerrymandering going on, and you have the
Speaker 1: the outer limits of both parties determining who the nominees are.
Speaker 1: We continue to galvanize on each side. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you heard Kevin McCarthy at the beginning of what
Speaker 1: he was just saying, this night of rage. Let me
Speaker 1: hear him again, and the truth is, pro life Americans
Speaker 1: are not planning a night of rage. He got some
Speaker 1: chuckles there from those who were with him. But this
Speaker 1: actually is uh potentially serious matter. It's something that law
Speaker 1: enforcement is concerned about. In the White House has actually
Speaker 1: had to issue a couple of statements. The President mentioned
Speaker 1: it today, not by name. Karine Jean Pierre though did
Speaker 1: in the White House briefing room, saying that they were
Speaker 1: familiar with this, uh that uh, the pro choice activists
Speaker 1: could well take to the streets, caused damage, vandalism, etcetera,
Speaker 1: that there could be violence. This is part of the
Speaker 1: reason why justice is homes are being protected right now.
Speaker 1: How much of a how much of an issue starting
Speaker 1: right now, Rick Davis is security? Oh, I think it's
Speaker 1: a big deal. The Department of Homeland Security today issued
Speaker 1: a warning that cells of nationwide terror groups. You know,
Speaker 1: these are domestic terror groups, which we've been hearing so
Speaker 1: much about, and we we think of white nationalists and
Speaker 1: militia types, but uh, there are terror groups that are
Speaker 1: identified by the Homeland Security around this issue. And and
Speaker 1: evidently they've been identifying churches and other facilities that they
Speaker 1: are concerned might be attacked. So if if Homeline Security
Speaker 1: thinks it's a big issue, then I think the rest
Speaker 1: of us should be concerned also, and genie members of
Speaker 1: both parties should be as well. Absolutely. And you know,
Speaker 1: we have seen violence against federal judges, you know, threats
Speaker 1: against Supreme Court justices, but federal judges as a whole.
Speaker 1: There was the horrific killing of the son of a
Speaker 1: New Jersey federal judge in you know last year I
Speaker 1: believe it was. So this has gote an ongoing problem,
Speaker 1: and it is something I was very glad the President said.
Speaker 1: You know, people can protest, but they need to do
Speaker 1: so peacefully, and that has always got to be the case,
Speaker 1: and we cannot forget that. Well, we're no strangers to
Speaker 1: this down here, you know, Rick, I know that that
Speaker 1: you're you live in the Capital area. You've probably seen
Speaker 1: the barriers up around the court. You think they need
Speaker 1: to go back up around the capital, you know, And
Speaker 1: I too soon to tell I think kudos to the
Speaker 1: President for making part of his statement today a message
Speaker 1: to the American people to uh protest, but pro test peacefully. Uh. Frankly,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a big improvement over what we've had
Speaker 1: in the past. So um, hopefully the President's influence will help.
Speaker 1: And UM, I do think law enforcement, Homeland security, local
Speaker 1: police forces, the FBI, they become much more sophisticated when
Speaker 1: it comes to these local groups that disrupt these kinds
Speaker 1: of things. So hopefully we can remain an open city.
Speaker 1: Even though there's a ten foot chain link barrier around
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court right now, it'd be nice to not
Speaker 1: see that for the rest of the our our beautiful city.
Speaker 1: I want to take this this second that I have
Speaker 1: to thank Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano for their balanced
Speaker 1: analysis every day on this program. You're not gonna hear
Speaker 1: this anywhere else. That's why they make up our signature panel.
Speaker 1: Thanks to Emily Wilkins as well our friend June Grosso,
Speaker 1: who will have a great Bloomberg Law edition coming up
Speaker 1: later in Michael Dorff The Fastest Hour in Politics. I'll
Speaker 1: see get back here Monday. I'm Joe Matthew. This is
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