1 00:00:01,960 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg Sound On. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: The people have one of victory. The right to life 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:13,039 Speaker 1: has been vindicated. It's a sad day of the Court 4 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,480 Speaker 1: and for the country. American women today have less freedom 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: than their mothers. The Court affirmed today that every life 6 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 1: is worth living. Bloomberg Sound On, Politics, Policy and Perspective 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: from DC's top Name. And these are seismic events in 8 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: public policy that affect millions, hundreds of millions of people 9 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: all at one time. How I love that stuff and 10 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: I love myself some James Madison. But when you're talking 11 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: about issues on the ground in reality Bloomberg Sound On 12 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The draft opinion was 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 1: the opinion as the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade. 14 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Welcome to the fastest hour in politics on an historic 15 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: day in America, as the High Court rescinds the constitutional 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: right to an abortion. We'll be hearing from some of 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: the smartest minds from politics, six and law over the 18 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 1: next hour with Bloomberg's June Grosso, the host of Bloomberg Law, 19 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: Michael Dorff, constitutional law expert and Cornell Law School professor, 20 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: and analysis from the signature sound on panel. Bloomberg Politics 21 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,120 Speaker 1: contributors Jeanie Schanzano and Rick Davis are both with us. 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: Later we'll discuss the way forward on Capitol Hill if 23 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 1: there is one with Bloomberg Government's Emily Wilkins, who has 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:25,960 Speaker 1: been there throughout this day. We've lined up some important 25 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,759 Speaker 1: insights for you, and it has been quite a day 26 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: here in the nation's capital. As the ruling didn't come 27 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: as a surprise necessarily after the leak, but a lot 28 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,039 Speaker 1: of us still had to look twice when the headline 29 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: crossed the terminal Supreme Court overturns Row. There it is 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: and historic ruling, as Gregg Store writes for Bloomberg, likely 31 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: to render the procedure largely illegal in half the country 32 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: and further polarized a deeply divided nation. Having spent the 33 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: better part of six hours in front of the Supreme 34 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: Court today, I can personally tell you that division was 35 00:01:56,120 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: on display, and we saw it politically as well from 36 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue. President Biden, the health and 37 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: life of women in this nation are now at risk. 38 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: As chairman and ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, 39 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: as Vice President, now as President United States. I've studied 40 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: this case carefully. I've over seen more Supreme Court confirmations 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: than anyone today where this case was always discussed. I 42 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: believe Roe v. Wade was a correct decision. He called 43 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: it a sad day for the Court, in a sad 44 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: day for America, and urged people to vote more Democrats 45 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 1: into office so the right can be restored, if I 46 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: can use that term legislatively. The other side of the 47 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,400 Speaker 1: coin and the aisle from Kevin McCarthy, the minority leader 48 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: in the House expected to be speaker should the Republican 49 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: Party take the majority. He was there to celebrate, you know, 50 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: today's Supreme Court decision and Dobbs is the most important 51 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 1: pro life ruling American history. By a vote of six 52 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: to three, the Court affirmed that the power to protect 53 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: unborn life is returned to the people and their elected representatives. 54 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 1: The people have won a victory, The right to life 55 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: has been vindicated. The voiceless will finally have a voice. 56 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,960 Speaker 1: And here, of course, on Bloomberg Sound on, we seek context, perspective, 57 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: and a sense of understanding here from both sides of 58 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: this very sensitive issue. When we're gonna do that over 59 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: the next hour beginning with June Grosso, our colleague at 60 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Law, the host of Bloomberg Law and Bloomberg Radio, June, 61 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: it's great to have you. We knew this ruling was 62 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: coming for the most part after that leak. Were you 63 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: amazed at how similar the final version was. I wasn't 64 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: only amazed at how similar the final version was. I 65 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: was still shocked even though we knew it was coming, 66 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: because when you see it written right in front of you, 67 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: as you mentioned on the terminal, when you see it 68 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: written there and you realize that it happened where there 69 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: was always a little hope that maybe something would happen. 70 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: Justice Roberts would pull a rabbit out of a hat 71 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: and something would happen so that we wouldn't have this 72 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: endpoint of doing away with Roe v. Wade and a 73 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,919 Speaker 1: constitutional right to abortion which women have enjoyed for nearly 74 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:29,239 Speaker 1: half a century. Yeah, of course, a lot of people 75 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 1: think who wanted this to happen and fought for it? 76 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: I thought he did pull a rabbit out of his 77 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: hat today, so to speak. Interesting though that this was 78 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,559 Speaker 1: this was not exactly six three as as he didn't 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: rule entirely with the majority right. Justice Roberts agreed the 80 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:47,840 Speaker 1: case was the Mississippi case and the Mississippi ban on abortion. 81 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: After fifteen weeks, Justice Roberts rule with the majority in 82 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: that instance, but he was it was a concurrence. He 83 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: said he would not have gone as far as the 84 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: majority did. He would not have overturned o v. Wade. 85 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,039 Speaker 1: And we know that he's an incrementalist. We know that 86 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: he likes to do things in bits and pieces, which 87 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: is why I think this. When the draft came down, 88 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 1: it's surprised so many people because they expected that Justice 89 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 1: Roberts would still have his way and they would incrementally 90 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,039 Speaker 1: move along. But you're right. You know, abortion opponents have 91 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: been working on this since Roe v. Wade was first 92 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: announced decided, So uh, you know, they've been working, and 93 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: I think abortion rights activists have been not expecting this 94 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: until the draft came out, not expecting this to happen 95 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,599 Speaker 1: so soon. I'm sure you have a great conversation lined 96 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:44,800 Speaker 1: up for Bloomberg Law tonight, ten pm, Washington Time, Wall 97 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 1: Street Time, June Grass. So I'm glad you could talk 98 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: to us on an historic day and it's a conversation 99 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: that I'm I'm sure you, and I will continue as 100 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: we bring in Michael Dorff, a constitutional law voice Cornell 101 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:57,279 Speaker 1: Law School professor. Michael, it's great to have you with 102 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: us here. There are so many questions that we have, 103 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: UH in terms of what this is going to mean 104 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: for the makeup of the nation. So many states had 105 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: these trigger laws. I believe it was more than a 106 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:10,600 Speaker 1: dozen thirteen trigger laws, but also sixteen states have protections 107 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: already in place. They started passing these laws on the 108 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 1: state level as some of these justices were confirmed during 109 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 1: the Trump administration. Do you have a long view, Michael, 110 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: of what the country is gonna look like once all 111 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: of the dust settles here? For instance, Virginia, the governor Virginia, 112 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 1: youcan is going to seek a fifteen week abortion law 113 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: in the state. Do you have a sense of where 114 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 1: this is going? I think in the short term we 115 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: will see a patchwork UH states like Mississippi, Texas, Louisiana, 116 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: states that have UH strongly anti abortion legislatures and governors 117 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: will either enact or start to enforce existing laws. UH. 118 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 1: States like New York, California, most of the New England 119 00:06:55,480 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: states will continue to keep abortion legal. There will during 120 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: that period likely be efforts by pro choice groups to 121 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: make abortion available via travel from states that forbid most 122 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: or nearly all abortions to states were abortion is more 123 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 1: readily available. And that actually calls to mind one of 124 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: the interesting points in a concurrence by Justice Kavanaugh in 125 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: the case, in which he says that he thinks, UH, 126 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: it's not directly at issue in this case, but he 127 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: wants to assure people that to travel, UH, there is 128 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: a right to travel. That's right, that is a constitution 129 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: guarantees it right to interstate travel. So that UH, states 130 00:07:43,240 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: like Missouri and Oklahoma which had efforts to ban travel 131 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: to other states to have an abortion, so that they 132 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: won't be able to do that. Now it remains to 133 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: be seen whether uh, there would be five votes to 134 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: strike down such a law forbidding interstate travel to have 135 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: an abortion. But that's at least raises the possibility that 136 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: women who have the wherewithal because weave their home state 137 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: if it forbids abortion, will be able to do so. 138 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: And if you live in Texas, that's going to be 139 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: a four or five mile trip. But and before you 140 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: move on, it's important that you brought that up, Michael, 141 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: because the President did as well, and he seemed very 142 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: concerned about it and said that he would you know, 143 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: he wouldn't allow anyone to stand in the way of 144 00:08:22,560 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: women's right to travel. That that doesn't say a lot 145 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: about the Democrats hopes to turn this around anytime soon, right, 146 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:33,600 Speaker 1: that's right. I think that one possibility theory, of course, 147 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 1: is that Congress could pass a law using its power 148 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: to regulate interstate commerce, which is broad and includes the 149 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 1: provision of medical services like abortion, that would preempt state 150 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: laws for bedding abortion. So a federal codification, if you will, 151 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: of the pre doobs right to abortion is at least 152 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: a possibility. The difficulty is that that would take UH 153 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: sixty votes in the it to overcome a filibuster or 154 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: uh one of the two Democratic senators who have made 155 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 1: clear that they don't want to change the filibuster, Joe 156 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: Manchin and Christian Cinema would have to both change their 157 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: mind to that, and that seems unlikely. I think it's 158 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: more it's actually more likely if there is to be 159 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: national legislation, that the next time we have a Republican 160 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: Congress and a Republican president, we might see a national 161 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: abortion ban, in which case abortion would be illegal, not 162 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: just in those states that forbid it, but throughout everywhere, 163 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: in states like New York, California. We have so much 164 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: to figure out here. The President and Speaker Pelosi have 165 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: suggested that this opens the door could set precedent to 166 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:49,839 Speaker 1: overturn other rights, same sex marriage, contraception even UH. Is 167 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: that an extreme view, Michael, or is that in fact possible? 168 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: Justice Clarence Thomas wrote a concurrence in the case saying 169 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 1: that he would like to do exactly that. He's as 170 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 1: that the UH constitutional rubric under which the Court had 171 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: recognized the right to abortion, what is sometimes called substantive 172 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: due process, should be abandoned across the board, and he 173 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: singled out law the court's rulings that protected a right 174 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: to same sex sexual relations, to same sex marriage, to contraception. UH. 175 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:27,319 Speaker 1: He left open the possibility that, in his view, those 176 00:10:27,480 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: rights might be protected under some other provisions. That seems 177 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: very unlikely, I should say. Justice Alito, in his majority opinion, 178 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: says that you don't need to worry about that. He 179 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: doesn't intend to do that. That that that's different. But 180 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: as the dissenters point out, and as I think the 181 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: logic of justice Thomas's concurrence says it's not clear that 182 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: he'll hold that line. So I think there will be 183 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: a concerted effort at least to bring to the court 184 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: cases that provide the possibility of overturning those other rights. 185 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: If I had to bet, I would say they won't 186 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,000 Speaker 1: do it. But it's not because it doesn't follow logically 187 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 1: from the open. But it's not a false conversation for 188 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 1: us to have right now. Though, Um, last minute here, Michael, 189 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: I really appreciate your expertise. We as we hear from 190 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 1: Democrats about moving forward with legislation, how would that look? 191 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: We we understand that this could be tied up in court. 192 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: What is the legislative answer to this if Democrats had 193 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: the numbers. Well, of course, at the state level, it's 194 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 1: already the abortion right is already protected for the moment 195 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 1: states right. So Congress would have to pass the law, 196 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: as I said, it would have to. This is not 197 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: a budget bill, so it can't be done through the 198 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: so called reconciliation process that only the president's right elect 199 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: more Democrats. That's right, Well, you'd have to elect a 200 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: lot more Democrats, which is very difficult to do given 201 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 1: the math of the Senate, which it's not gonna happen. Michael, 202 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us on Bloomberg Radio. 203 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: Sound on continues as we assemble the panel, Rick and 204 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: Genie Way and next, I'm Joe Matthew. This Bloomberg. This 205 00:12:04,800 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg sond On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 206 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: We heard from Donald Trump. Of course, following the ruling, 207 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: he did issue a statement. He says, today's decision, which 208 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 1: was the biggest win for life and a generation, along 209 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: with other decisions that have been announced recently, We're only 210 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 1: made possible because I delivered everything as promised, including nominating 211 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: and getting three highly respected and strong constitutionalists confirmed the U. S. 212 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court. He says, it was my great honor to 213 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,040 Speaker 1: do so. Exclamation points. Nancy Pelosi, the Speaker of the House, 214 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: kind of said the same thing. Because of Donald Trump, 215 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell, and the Republican Party their super majority in 216 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, American women today have less freedom than 217 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,319 Speaker 1: their mothers. The Congress will continue to act to overcome 218 00:12:56,360 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: this extremism and extremism and protect American people. Let's assemble 219 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: the panel. We didn't know we'd be talking about this today. 220 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: We thought it might happen. A lot of folks saw 221 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: it coming next week. Other way. Jennie Chanzano and Rick 222 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: Davis are here the two people we want to hear 223 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: from now Bloomberg Politics contributors and of course our signature 224 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: panel on sound on. Let me have a genie, it 225 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:22,560 Speaker 1: actually happened. The draft was the final version. Nancy Pelosi 226 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: seems to think that there is a legislative answer to this, 227 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: but Democrats don't have the numbers, do they. They do not. 228 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: Um you know, I have to say I agree with June. 229 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: You know, even though we saw this coming and the draft, 230 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: this very much echoes the draft. It is startling to 231 00:13:38,440 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: see it in black and white because what the majority 232 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: did is they literally rolled back a right that women 233 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: have enjoyed for half a century. And it's not just that, 234 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: as if that wasn't enough. But as I've read now 235 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: a couple of times the majority decision, it is the 236 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: tone of this decision and the approach. By my count, 237 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 1: he uses the term on born human being about eleven times. 238 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: This is a marked change from talk about a right 239 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: to privacy and the right to choose. So this is 240 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: a very different sort of approach to reading the Constitution 241 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: than we've seen in our lifetimes. Well, what does it 242 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: mean for Democrats on the campaign, triol Genie. I know 243 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: that that's the kind of the next place everybody looks. 244 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: Is this going to be the mobilizing elements that changes 245 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: the game in Washington in November? I don't know that 246 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: it's going to change the game. We heard Joe Biden, 247 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: we heard Nancy Plose. You know, they're saying that Roe 248 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: is on the ballot, you need to make your voices 249 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: heard in November. But I don't know that it is 250 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: going to change much visa v. Washington. I do think 251 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: it is going to be a really big impact at 252 00:14:40,240 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: the state level. You know, we're looking at gubernatorial races, 253 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: legislative races were quite frankly, Republicans have been doing very 254 00:14:47,600 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: very well. They control about three quarters of the state 255 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: legislatures and governorships in this country. Um, and so this 256 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: may have a much bigger impact there because quite frankly, 257 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: as you were just discussing uh with Michael, there's there's 258 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: no chance that Democrats have the number in the Senate 259 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,720 Speaker 1: they need to get something like a national law pass. 260 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: So this is going to be a state a state fight, 261 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Rick Davis. Republicans in Washington have been largely silent on 262 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: this issue. Uh, knowing that inflation, the economy, and other 263 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: issues that we tend to talk about every day here 264 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: on this program are likely to be on voters minds 265 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: when they vote in November. Is that the right attack? Yeah? 266 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: I think that you've you've you've got the right perspective 267 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: on this. I mean, the Republicans are going into this 268 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: election cycle just less than six months away, with the 269 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: wind at their backs. And the wind is the dismal 270 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: management of the economy by the Biden administration. And so 271 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: why change the topic, right? Why why get off into 272 00:15:44,280 --> 00:15:48,760 Speaker 1: a social war around issues like abortion and guns? Frankly 273 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 1: that we had last week in order to draw a 274 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: distraction away from the number one issue in most households 275 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: is inflation. And if your Republicans are on the off, 276 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: can you not assume that Democrats could have a much 277 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: higher turnout because of this or is that not foregone? Well, 278 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: they have You can only turn out the vote you have, right, 279 00:16:08,760 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: And so the problem that Democrats have is they have 280 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: a turnout issue, they have less intensity and most of 281 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: the surveys. So they've got to try and figure out 282 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: how to get their voters excited, and of course that 283 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: this abortion ruling may do that, but that's only those 284 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,320 Speaker 1: voters who are going to side with them on the 285 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: abortion issue. If you have lost faith in the Democratic 286 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: Party because of inflation, you're and you've made a decision 287 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: at this point, or you're leaning towards voting for Republicans 288 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: because of that, you may not be distracted by the 289 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: abortion issue to turn around and drop your focus on 290 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: economy in order to be lockstep with Democrats on abortion. 291 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: We're going to see a lot of polling on this obviously, 292 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: Uh Democrats, you can see the path year. Will Republicans 293 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: be rewarded somehow for closing the deal on this, for 294 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: finishing the job? Jennie, You know, I do think with 295 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 1: their base absolutely, they have made a concerted for over 296 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: fifty years to make this happen, and that was the 297 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:06,119 Speaker 1: culmination of what we saw with this decision today. But 298 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: I think there are so many unknowns as it pertains 299 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: to the politics around this. And just as an example, 300 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: there is an economic impact of this decision on people, 301 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 1: a very visceral impact. There's a visceral impact on companies, 302 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: many of whom have already spoken out about helping their 303 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 1: employees get the necessary health care they need. And let's 304 00:17:25,080 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 1: not forget in twenty eighteen it was the issue of 305 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 1: health care that helped Democrats do better than we thought 306 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: they would do. It's a very different year in two arguably, 307 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 1: but this again allows Democrats to raise the case that 308 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: this issue of health care is on the ballot once again. 309 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: These are deeply personal issues, I would argue as personal 310 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:49,639 Speaker 1: as issues of inflation and the economy. So I just 311 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: think we don't know where this is going to land politically, 312 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: particularly since we now have as of today, some Americans 313 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: living in a state where they enjoy right and others 314 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: that have been completely cut off. And that impact is 315 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: wider than women. It's impacted men and and so many people. 316 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 1: And certainly some people support this, but there's also a 317 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: large segment who are not as keen on the idea 318 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: that they have been shut off from this right. Yeah, 319 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: how to Democrats keep it in the air? Ic quickly? Here? 320 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 1: November is aways off. Still, Well, they're going to have 321 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: to have their leaders like the President, the Speaker and 322 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 1: the Majority leader and Senate talking about it, which of 323 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: course takes time away from their efforts to try and 324 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: reform the economy. Boy, isn't that right soon? Because we 325 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: needed more distractions in Washington, Rick and Jenior with us 326 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: for the hour. We're gonna bring in Emily Wilkins next 327 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:39,159 Speaker 1: from Bloomberg Government to figure more on democrats plans in 328 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: Congress after the ruling today. This is Bloomberg. It was 329 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: quite a day, it has been. It goes on by 330 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: the way in Washington, d C. As thousands of people 331 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 1: turned up upon this ruling in front of the Supreme Court. 332 00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: This went on for hours and it still pops up 333 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: from time to time as the crowd gets worked up 334 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: one way or the other. If you listen here, pro 335 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: life and pro choice protesters, and they were standing across 336 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: the street from each other in many cases shoulders or 337 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: shoulder in the heat of the summer sun in Washington 338 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: for hours. Hundreds showed up actually before the ruling, which 339 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: was remarkable knowing that well, we didn't know the ruling 340 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,919 Speaker 1: was coming. A lot of people thought it might be Monday. 341 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 1: We didn't know what case would be released today. And 342 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: they're still out there now as we look at a 343 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: live view of that crowd is not getting smaller. Massive 344 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: barriers set up around the Supreme Court following the leak 345 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: that's still there, and they've got bike racks set up 346 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: going all the way around that side of Capitol Hill, 347 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: where we catch up with Emily Wilkins Bloomberg, government Congress 348 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: reporter and of course a friend of the family here 349 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg. Sound on Emily. It's been a long day. 350 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: We've heard from Kevin McCarthy and from Nancy Pelosi. You 351 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: cover the leadership on Capitol Hill. What are we gonna 352 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: see on both sides of the aisle as a response 353 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: to this? So I think what you're seeing today, of course, 354 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,440 Speaker 1: is a lot of emotion from both sides. You had 355 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: Speaker Pelosi, Um, you know, usually she walks the podium 356 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: says good morning, and this morning she walked into the 357 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: podium and said she couldn't say good morning because it 358 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:24,159 Speaker 1: wasn't one. Meanwhile, Republicans rallied and forced They had a 359 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: huge press conference, a lot of them behind Kevin McCarthy, um, 360 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: you know, saying that the Claires declaimed this is a victory, 361 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 1: but that this was also only the start that Republicans 362 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: they want to be able to do more. Um. They 363 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: noted that they there has been support in the past 364 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: for a bill that would ban abortions after twenty weeks. 365 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: Now Republicans say that they would be supportive of a 366 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: bill that would ban abortions after fifteen weeks. And you 367 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: heard McCarthy voices support for that. Certainly in a scenario, 368 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: in a likely scenario that the Republicans do win Congress 369 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,919 Speaker 1: in November, this could certainly be a piece of legislation 370 00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: that we see past. Of of course, uh, probably wouldn't 371 00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:04,640 Speaker 1: make it passed the Senate regardless of who's in charge, 372 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:08,080 Speaker 1: because of the filibuster, and wouldn't make it passed Biden signature. Um. 373 00:21:08,119 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: But it kind of shows you what the Republican Party 374 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: is thinking right now as far as next steps about 375 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party, Democrats don't have the votes to do 376 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: much here right Emily, they don't. And the other thing 377 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: is when I talked with a lot of Democrats today 378 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: is saying what can you do next? You know, it's 379 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: mostly speaking with those in the House, um, And they 380 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: their message was really, you know, we we can't do 381 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: much that they've already passed legislation to codify Road versus Wade, 382 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: and it's now in the Senate. We had a number 383 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:40,440 Speaker 1: of UM lawmakers where I spoke with Congressman David Ceiline 384 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: who said, you know, they need to end the filibuster 385 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: in the Senate. Uh. Spoke with another lawmakers today who said, 386 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: they need to make sure that Democrats add two more 387 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: senators to their roster after November, UM, so they can 388 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: overturn the filibuster. But let's let's be real here, Joe, 389 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: A lot of those possibilities, it's not clear that there's 390 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: a support. It's it's there's not like a concrete path 391 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: to really get there, particularly given Biden's low poll numbers 392 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: and the fact that historically, uh, this is set up 393 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,880 Speaker 1: to be a better year for Republicans than Democrats. Yeah, 394 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: pretty incredible following the House today passing that gun safety 395 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: legislation that that also was you know, a first and 396 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: thirty years we're talking about this ruling being turning over 397 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: the history of the last fifty years here. Well, Republicans, then, Emily, 398 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: if I understand you right, start preemptively preparing that legislation 399 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 1: should they have the majority in the fall. UM the 400 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: legislation on the the abortions that fifteen weeks. Yeah, I mean, 401 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 1: there's already been discussioned about that. There are already bills 402 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 1: written up that have been introduced in the past. It 403 00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: can easily be tweaked and changed. I mean, for Republicans, 404 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,639 Speaker 1: abortion is no longer you know. Yes, this is a 405 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: day that they count as a victory and that many 406 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: of them are celebrating, but they still see it as 407 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,239 Speaker 1: more needs to be done. That a lot of them 408 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: don't want to simply say we're going to leave it 409 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,719 Speaker 1: to the states. Um. For many of them, it's it's 410 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: a very personal issue. It's an issue that ties back 411 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: to their religious beliefs and the beliefs um of a 412 00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: number of of their really strong UH base of the 413 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: Republican Party, and so they do see a need to 414 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 1: do more there. You cover the capital every day, Emily. 415 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,880 Speaker 1: You're in that complex every day. I spent a long 416 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: time there today in front of the Supreme Court and Capitol. 417 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: Police were there in massive numbers. At one point, some 418 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 1: busses rolled up. In my goodness, I couldn't count how many, 419 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: uh there were, how many dozens of police officers there 420 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,240 Speaker 1: were in reflector vests. We know that the barriers up 421 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 1: around the court. Uh, there are smaller barriers like I 422 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 1: described as bike racks around that side of the capital. 423 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: But are we going to see a massive uptick insecurity 424 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: here following not only this but the January six hearings 425 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,880 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, this is what the Capitol Police 426 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: as well as the DC Police, they were preparing for. That. 427 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: They didn't know if the ruling was going to come 428 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 1: on Friday or Monday or Wednesday, but they knew that 429 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: they had to be ready when it did happen because 430 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 1: they did anticipate the protests that we are seeing at 431 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. You're also seeing, um, even some businesses downtown. 432 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: I've I've seen photos circulating on social media of them 433 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: serves preparing, you know, potentially for protests over the weekend 434 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: and in the coming weeks. Yeah, there could be uh 435 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: supply would going up around here. Emily, thank you so much. 436 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 1: I know you've had a busy day and I appreciate 437 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: your insights. We wanted to make sure we heard from 438 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: Emily Wilkins at Bloomberg Government because she covers Congress every day, 439 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 1: as you just heard, having a good sense of this, 440 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: we're getting some news here. First of all breaking news 441 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: from uh the Attorney General Eric Schmidt of Missouri. Following 442 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: the Scotus ruling, he tweets, Missouri has just become the 443 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: first in the country to effectively end abortion with our 444 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: a g opinion signed moments ago, an image of him 445 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,400 Speaker 1: putting pen to paper what he calls a monumental day 446 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: for the same city of life. We can just also 447 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 1: add now Arkansas trigger band certified. This is coming before 448 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: me as we speak. Abortion now banned in Arkansas. Certification 449 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: came just hours as I read, after the U. S. 450 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. This is happening before 451 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 1: our eyes in real time. That's why you're with us 452 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: here on the fastest hour in politics. We will reassemble 453 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: the panel next and get more into this along with 454 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 1: the security aspect, with some very real concerns about what 455 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: might happen in the Capitol tonight and over the weekend. 456 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano are back in next Bloomberg 457 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 1: Politics contributors will check traffic and markets for you too, 458 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:52,560 Speaker 1: because this is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. So on with 459 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. The response was pretty immediate 460 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: following the rule. It happened at ten ten a m. 461 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: Washington time. That's when we learned that the Supreme Court 462 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,640 Speaker 1: had ruled to overturn Roe v. Wade. The President spoke 463 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: from the White House a short time later. Today, the 464 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 1: Supreme Court the United States expressly took away the conscious 465 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 1: of right from the American people that has already recognized. 466 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,680 Speaker 1: They didn't limit it, they simply took it away. It's 467 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: never been done to write so important to so many Americans, 468 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: but they did it. It's a sad day for the 469 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: Court and for the country. Republican House Leader Kevin McCarthy 470 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: and the truth is, pro life Americans are not planning 471 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: a night of rage. So you're at the reaction to 472 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: this principal decision by the Court. It must be peaceful 473 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: and the d o J must step up to protect 474 00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 1: our justices, their families, churches, and pro life pregnancy centers 475 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: from unprovoked violence. Speaking with other members of the Republican 476 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: leadership in the House, that pretty much gives you the story. 477 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: As these politicians represent both sides of the argument. We 478 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: reassemble our panel on sound on Jeanie Schanzano and Rick 479 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: Davis are with us Rick. There is a concern, apparently 480 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: within Donald Trump's sphere that this actually might be bad 481 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: for Republicans. An interesting story in the New York Times. 482 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: The man most responsible for ending Row worries that it 483 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: could hurt is his party, apparently telling people privately that 484 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: he he could see this angering suburban women, a group 485 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: who helped to tilt the race to President Biden. He 486 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 1: referred to the Texas abortion law as so stupid that 487 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:56,480 Speaker 1: they allowed citizens to file lawsuits against people who enabled abortions. 488 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 1: Is he right about this? Well, every now and then 489 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: a hog can find an acorn if they're blind, So um, yeah, 490 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: I think he's got a point, right. We've seen it 491 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: in survey data that this will cross pressure certain constituencies 492 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: within the Republican Party and within the swing community, in 493 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: other words, people who aren't self identified as RS and d's. 494 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: We tend to talk too much about polarization because there's 495 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: a wide swath of Americans who aren't associating with either 496 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:28,440 Speaker 1: party right now, and they're upper grams, and this is 497 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 1: one of the issues that tends to make them, uh 498 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: go one way or another. And so sure, some of 499 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: these state laws could get pretty doctor naire like the 500 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: Texas law, and and that could turn off suburban voters 501 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: or all kinds of different voters. I would say the 502 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: constituencies around uh, abortion in the road decision have been 503 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 1: really firmly fixed, you know, for nearly five decades and 504 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: and and not much in the polling data has changed 505 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: in that period of time. Sadly, I've been reading polls 506 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: for almost that same length of time, and and you 507 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of gravitational pull. Um, you know, 508 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: you kind of set that that that dinner service at 509 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 1: the time of row and and and American politics has 510 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: worked around that ever since then, angering suburban women. This 511 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: is a demographic genie that well you know about because 512 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: it helps to decide presidential elections every four years. Now, 513 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: how is this going to cut within suburban women? As 514 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 1: Donald Trump? Right, you know it could and and this 515 00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: is um, you know, a big I think question marks. Still, 516 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: there's nothing that gets people to the polls like being 517 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: angry and losing. Those two things do get people out 518 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: to vote. But I also think we need to be 519 00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,959 Speaker 1: a little bit cautious about assuming that this is a 520 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: women's issue per se, and that you know, all women 521 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: think one way about this issue, because that's certainly not true, 522 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: and it's not true about men, you know, or any 523 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: other sort of group. So I think both Democrats and 524 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: Republicans have to be very careful on that, and I 525 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 1: also think that he he also sort of ignores one 526 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: part of this story, which is that fact that the decision, 527 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: both the majority and the concurrence talks not just about 528 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 1: a restriction of abortion, but also talks about potentially moving 529 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: forward to address other rights same sex marriage, for instance, 530 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: and consensual sex contraception. And that's something we've heard Democrats 531 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: and the President talk about because that would bring in 532 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: presumably even other constituencies that would be concerned. So this 533 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: could potentially trigger get out the vote drive. I am 534 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: not a person who believes this will surpass people's concern 535 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 1: about the economy, for instance, but if this is a 536 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: base election and get out the vote is important and 537 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: the middle you know, define some of these purple states, 538 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: it could be an issue that is, you know, really 539 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: important in terms of the outcome of some of these 540 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: close races. Rick, we were saying earlier with regard to 541 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: all of this, you made the point in the nineteen seventies, 542 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: half the Republican Party was pro choice. Uh, A lot 543 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: of Southern Democrats were pro life. How have both parties 544 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 1: in that period of time become so entrenched around this issue. Well, look, 545 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was a gravitational issue at 546 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 1: the time because the parties were changing right. Southern Democrats, 547 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 1: Dixie Democrats, Dixiecrats were becoming Republicans. Republicans in the Northeast. 548 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: We we held all the state legislatures, in almost all 549 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: the governorships from Maine to New York at one point 550 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: in time as Republicans. You can't even imagine that. Now 551 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: people who were born after night would think you were 552 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: out of your mind to say things like that chairman 553 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 1: of the Republican Party was was was pro choice. So, uh, 554 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: A lot has changed and and mostly it was this 555 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: moment around Reagan's election really where even though uh it 556 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 1: wasn't the issue that brought Reagan to uh the presidency, 557 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: it was a chance for social conservatives to rally around 558 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 1: an individual and really redefine him and in the Repulican 559 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 1: Party in the process. And that's exactly what happened. And 560 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 1: you can you can track the emergence of the pro 561 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: choice movement around the Reagan presidency and subsequent presidents after. Yeah, 562 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: we we used we referred to the congressman by the 563 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: name of Henry quay Are, a Democrat from Texas, quite 564 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: a bit earlier this year, and because he won his primary, 565 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: genie as the last anti abortion Democrat in the House. 566 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: We know how many there are, there's one. When you 567 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: look back at the evolution in the Democratic Party, how 568 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: do you rationalize that far a move to the left 569 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: on this single issue. You know, this has been the story, 570 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: whether we're talking about guns or we're talking about abortions, 571 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: of these parties have become so homogeneous in a way 572 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 1: that makes it very difficult for them to reach across 573 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: the aisle and get things done. I mean, we've talked about, 574 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, the gun control issue, for instance, the last 575 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: big on bill before the one today was because Republicans 576 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,240 Speaker 1: and Democrats were able to find some common ground. That's 577 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: much harder to do on an issue like guns or abortion. 578 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: Whent to your point, you have just one pro life 579 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: Democrat in the entire House, and you know probably how 580 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,360 Speaker 1: many in the Senate, maybe two or three. So it's 581 00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,959 Speaker 1: a really really big change, and I think it's a 582 00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: dangerous development. That these parties at at the elected level. 583 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: And that's what I want to stress, because there are 584 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 1: a lot of Democrats who are pro life, just as 585 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: there are a lot of Republicans who are pro choice, 586 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: but they don't get elected in these particularly districts where 587 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: you have this gerrymandering going on, and you have the 588 00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: the outer limits of both parties determining who the nominees are. 589 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: We continue to galvanize on each side. I don't know 590 00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: if you heard Kevin McCarthy at the beginning of what 591 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: he was just saying, this night of rage. Let me 592 00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 1: hear him again, and the truth is, pro life Americans 593 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: are not planning a night of rage. He got some 594 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: chuckles there from those who were with him. But this 595 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,759 Speaker 1: actually is uh potentially serious matter. It's something that law 596 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: enforcement is concerned about. In the White House has actually 597 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 1: had to issue a couple of statements. The President mentioned 598 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 1: it today, not by name. Karine Jean Pierre though did 599 00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: in the White House briefing room, saying that they were 600 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,399 Speaker 1: familiar with this, uh that uh, the pro choice activists 601 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: could well take to the streets, caused damage, vandalism, etcetera, 602 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: that there could be violence. This is part of the 603 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 1: reason why justice is homes are being protected right now. 604 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: How much of a how much of an issue starting 605 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: right now, Rick Davis is security? Oh, I think it's 606 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,359 Speaker 1: a big deal. The Department of Homeland Security today issued 607 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: a warning that cells of nationwide terror groups. You know, 608 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: these are domestic terror groups, which we've been hearing so 609 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: much about, and we we think of white nationalists and 610 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,520 Speaker 1: militia types, but uh, there are terror groups that are 611 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: identified by the Homeland Security around this issue. And and 612 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: evidently they've been identifying churches and other facilities that they 613 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 1: are concerned might be attacked. So if if Homeline Security 614 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: thinks it's a big issue, then I think the rest 615 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: of us should be concerned also, and genie members of 616 00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: both parties should be as well. Absolutely. And you know, 617 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: we have seen violence against federal judges, you know, threats 618 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: against Supreme Court justices, but federal judges as a whole. 619 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: There was the horrific killing of the son of a 620 00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,239 Speaker 1: New Jersey federal judge in you know last year I 621 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: believe it was. So this has gote an ongoing problem, 622 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,760 Speaker 1: and it is something I was very glad the President said. 623 00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: You know, people can protest, but they need to do 624 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:38,399 Speaker 1: so peacefully, and that has always got to be the case, 625 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: and we cannot forget that. Well, we're no strangers to 626 00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 1: this down here, you know, Rick, I know that that 627 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: you're you live in the Capital area. You've probably seen 628 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: the barriers up around the court. You think they need 629 00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: to go back up around the capital, you know, And 630 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: I too soon to tell I think kudos to the 631 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: President for making part of his statement today a message 632 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: to the American people to uh protest, but pro test peacefully. Uh. Frankly, 633 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,439 Speaker 1: that's a that's a big improvement over what we've had 634 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: in the past. So um, hopefully the President's influence will help. 635 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,799 Speaker 1: And UM, I do think law enforcement, Homeland security, local 636 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: police forces, the FBI, they become much more sophisticated when 637 00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,359 Speaker 1: it comes to these local groups that disrupt these kinds 638 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 1: of things. So hopefully we can remain an open city. 639 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 1: Even though there's a ten foot chain link barrier around 640 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court right now, it'd be nice to not 641 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,920 Speaker 1: see that for the rest of the our our beautiful city. 642 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: I want to take this this second that I have 643 00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: to thank Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano for their balanced 644 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: analysis every day on this program. You're not gonna hear 645 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: this anywhere else. That's why they make up our signature panel. 646 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: Thanks to Emily Wilkins as well our friend June Grosso, 647 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: who will have a great Bloomberg Law edition coming up 648 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,440 Speaker 1: later in Michael Dorff The Fastest Hour in Politics. I'll 649 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: see get back here Monday. I'm Joe Matthew. This is 650 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: Bloomberg