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Speaker 2: We have Damien Wilkins, who is the general manager and

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Speaker 2: be a fun one. So, Damien, I was talking to

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Speaker 3: Oh man, So for us, like overtime Elite is pretty

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Speaker 2: Well, defensively, he's already awesome, and he projects to defend

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he came here as a very young, skinny kid.

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Speaker 3: I think, Olivier, I think you can credit a lot of.

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Speaker 3: But Alex had all the tools already. It was just

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Speaker 3: Like he wanted to see how ready that he could be,

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Speaker 2: Do you like his fit with Trey Young, Like if

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Speaker 3: how well he accepted his role coming off the bench.

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00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 3: Oh and and you know, I'm I think Cal Party

439
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,600
Speaker 3: that was a genius by him to bring him off

440
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,160
Speaker 3: the bench and allow Rob to be Rob.

441
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 1: You know, he's not a guy.

442
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 3: That he probably thought that like, he couldn't put him

443
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,959
Speaker 3: in the starting lineup with all of that, right, and

444
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 3: he still be able to be him. But having a

445
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 3: guy like Rob be your first player off the bench,

446
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 3: that just it makes your team deeper, right, and you

447
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 3: know him and Ree Sheppard running that second second unit.

448
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 3: It's just it may be lethal actually surprising that they didn't,

449
00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:31,680
Speaker 3: you know, go further in the tournament.

450
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,199
Speaker 1: That's a whole nother story.

451
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: But dude from Oakland hitting all those threes.

452
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,680
Speaker 3: I think he I think he was great. I think

453
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 3: when he came here, I don't know if Rob would

454
00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 3: have accepted that role as well as he did had

455
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 3: he not come to Ote first, Like I just I

456
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 3: just don't know if.

457
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:54,560
Speaker 1: He would have.

458
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 3: He may have, but I don't I don't think he

459
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,480
Speaker 3: would have. And I think that speaks to the development

460
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,760
Speaker 3: piece that we do here. And it's like we were

461
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: able to show Rob and kind of tame like the

462
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 3: inefficiency right and help him to be more efficient. And

463
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: then I think once he saw that, and once he

464
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 3: start believing that, then he just became a different animal.

465
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: Because you get a guy with that talent.

466
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: That type of confidence, that type of shot making ability

467
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 3: to also now be efficient in that, then it just

468
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: makes you that much more dangerous. And I think that's

469
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: what he turned into at Kentucky. And then, like I

470
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: said earlier, he's probably the most confident player right now

471
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 3: in the draft, Like Rob probably feels like he's you know,

472
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure he feels like he should go number one, right.

473
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: That wouldn't not surprise me at all. So I'm very

474
00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 1: happy and excited for him to.

475
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the role that he had at Kentucky is interesting

476
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: to me because ironically, the player that he reminds me

477
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: the most of when I watch him is Malik Monk

478
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 2: in the sense that is like it's a lot of

479
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 2: like start stop quickness, like really quick first step, deceptively

480
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 2: super explosive too. He's that doesn't quite have the length

481
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,600
Speaker 2: that Malik had, but his play style kind of reminds

482
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: me a lot of him. And and we've seen Malik

483
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 2: turn into a super useful NBA player in a role

484
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 2: in Sacramento where he kind of functions as the sixth man,

485
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: but then will also close games of most of the time,

486
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 2: just simply because like that dual dribble penetration of of

487
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 2: dearon Fox and him just kind of makes everything work.

488
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 2: And I mean, we've seen there's no shame in that

489
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 2: type of role. I mean, just and his deal is

490
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: is viewed generally as a discount around the league, and

491
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: it's twenty million a year, you know what I mean.

492
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: So like that, there's there's real value in that type

493
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: of player. I think. I think one of the things too,

494
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 2: is just that I think there's it's rare to find

495
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 2: a combination of real downhill like beat people off the

496
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: dribble quickness and lethal pull up shooting. Like most of

497
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,560
Speaker 2: the time you find one or the other, like this

498
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: dude's a great pull up shooter, but just can't really

499
00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: beat people off the dribble, or this guy's great beating

500
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: people off the dribble, but he's gotta suspect jump shot.

501
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,360
Speaker 2: And so that combination, I think those two things together

502
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 2: are are gonna be really valuable. And then also like

503
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: he was one of the deadliest spot up players in

504
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 2: the league last year, like that that guy attacking closeouts,

505
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 2: hitting threes off to move off to catch, Like he

506
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,520
Speaker 2: just has a real like kind of microwave offensive potential.

507
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 2: And so let's just put it this way. Do you

508
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,359
Speaker 2: see his role in the NBA as being like a

509
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: Malik Monk kind of like hybrid sixth man, fifth closer,

510
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 2: or do you do you think he has the potential

511
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: to play like a bigger role is more of like

512
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: a starting point guard for an NBA team.

513
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 3: I think that depends on what team he goes to, right, Like,

514
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 3: It's just I've been hearing a lot about the Spurs

515
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:46,400
Speaker 3: and and and that thing. You know, they have some

516
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 3: really good guards already there from what I watched this season.

517
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 3: But I think also Great Popovich would be tremendous for

518
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 3: Rob right because of his basketball mind and expertise and

519
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 3: just not overall dollars of the game.

520
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 1: I think Rob is more like you said that Malague.

521
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 3: Monk, you know, lou Will Jamal Crawford type of guy

522
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:12,479
Speaker 3: who can be your immediate six man, like a fifth starter,

523
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 3: you know, a a sixth starter rather and then like

524
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: someone that can be in the game in the fourth

525
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: quarter to help close. Like he's just that good offensively.

526
00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 3: I mean, you can't leave him open. You know, he's

527
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,920
Speaker 3: not a liability on the offense. You know, he plays

528
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 3: out of pick and roll, he can handle the ball

529
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 3: with when the team is pressing up the court.

530
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: He makes free throws late in the game. I mean,

531
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have.

532
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,160
Speaker 3: Him on the bench in the fourth quarter, like if

533
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 3: I was coaching the team, Like he certainly would be

534
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 3: a valuable asset to any team that.

535
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: He goes to.

536
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 3: But certainly that six man role, and and and again,

537
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 3: that sixth starter is someone to me who that's him,

538
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 3: That's who he is.

539
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: Well, and to your point, there's a reason why you

540
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: do that. It's it's because at the beginning of the game,

541
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 2: when let's say, like for let's just take the Kings

542
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:10,360
Speaker 2: for example, like they're flowing through Sabonis and Fox and

543
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 2: you know, Keegan Murray and Kevin Herder and like the

544
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 2: generally speaking, it makes sense for Malik to come in

545
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: with that second unit and now he's running the show

546
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: and he's being super aggressive, and then you can make

547
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 2: a call at the end of the game if it

548
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: makes sense for him to be out there like that.

549
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 2: That legitimately is a very common NBA role at this point,

550
00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 2: Like how you start a game and how you finish

551
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: a game are very different things. As far as the

552
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: Spurs fit goes, I find it super fascinating just because

553
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 2: like so like the downside, there's a couple downsides with Rob, right,

554
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: it's he's a little undersized, and then there's the talk

555
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: about his playmaking, which I want to get to in

556
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: a minute, but with his size. One of the things

557
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,960
Speaker 2: with the NBA now is like a lot of the

558
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: defensive guard position is about chasing over the top of

559
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 2: screens and kind of just being a pest, which I

560
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 2: actually think he can do pretty well. And what's fascinating

561
00:27:56,160 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 2: about him with with when bin Yama is like to

562
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 2: your point, like when you have that kind of length

563
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 2: on the backside, it's like you were talking about the Hawks,

564
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 2: like they have this weak perimitive personnel, but they've got

565
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 2: what if they had like a too big look with

566
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 2: all the size on the backside, Like I think, I

567
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,239
Speaker 2: think that a guy like Victor winbin Yama would give

568
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 2: Rob Dillingham the best opportunity to be a functional defender.

569
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: Because everyone talks about defense on an island. It's not

570
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 2: on an island. It's a five man job. And so

571
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 2: if you can create a role for him within a

572
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: five man defensive job, he can be successful. So do

573
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 2: you agree with me, do you think that Rob could

574
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,880
Speaker 2: be a sex a successful defender at the NBA level?

575
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: I do.

576
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 3: I mean, like, listen, he's gonna be tested, right because

577
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: every everyone is, especially a guy that's that's that that

578
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 3: with his size or lack thereof, like, he's.

579
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Gonna be tested.

580
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: He's gonna have to guard some of the most skilled

581
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: guards in the league, you know, because that's just what

582
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 3: he's going to fall into. And even if they're not

583
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 3: some of the top guards in the league, Like there's

584
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 3: not a guy in the NBA that playing major minutes.

585
00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: It's just a bad player.

586
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 3: Have to guard somebody like and even if even if

587
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 3: even if you're not even assigned to guard a guy

588
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: that gets the ball a lot, or a guy that's

589
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 3: known to make plays. For instance, if he's guarden one

590
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 3: night he has a guard, they put him on PJ.

591
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 3: Tucker to try to quote unquote hide him. And that's

592
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: no knock on PJ. They just people just don't run

593
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 3: plays for PJ. Right, So if you put him on,

594
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 3: say a PJ. Tucker, like those guards are gonna find you.

595
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: That coach for that team is gonna find you. They're

596
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: gonna run some sets to have PJ come set a

597
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: screen to make you switch on to you know, a

598
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 3: ball handling, you know, premier showcase guard.

599
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: Like that's just what it is. Is.

600
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 3: However, if you have a guy like women Yana behind

601
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: you at the rim, like you have more confidence in

602
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 3: your ability to be able to just kind of pressure

603
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 3: the ball a little bit more knowing that he's your

604
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 3: security blanket, you know. And besides that, since we're talking Spurs,

605
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 3: like the Spurs have never been a horrible defensive team,

606
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: like they they play defense. The foundation of what they're

607
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 3: done and what they have been successful at is defense

608
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 3: in Baltimore, and so those two, you know, that's if

609
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 3: all those things are working well together, Like, he's not

610
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 3: gonna be a guy that just constantly getting picked on.

611
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: And even if he is.

612
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 3: Again, like you have a seven foot whatever unicorn standing

613
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: behind you at the rim, who who loves blocking shots

614
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: so and not many people challenge him.

615
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: We saw that last year.

616
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 3: So guys almost have a layup and just decided, now

617
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: I'm gonna just dribble this back out on the other side,

618
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 3: so I think he'll be fine in that system. I

619
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: think he'll be fine in any system. But I do

620
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 3: believe the team that drafts him has to have some

621
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: type of, you know, solid defensive foundation already, some guys

622
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: who can guard hands, some rim protection, because you're gonna

623
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: ask him to handle the ball a lot, you know,

624
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 3: and make plays offensively, you know. And he's not the

625
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: greatest defensive in the player in the world, but I

626
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: think he's he's good enough to be able to guard

627
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 3: guys in space and keep guys in front of him

628
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: for you know, more than three to four seconds.

629
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 2: He's active, and he's quick, and so like there's the

630
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: ball pressure element, like when you when you when you're

631
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: pressure in the ball, the risk is dribble penetration, right,

632
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: but when you have victor behind you, you can kind

633
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: of account for that. And then the other thing too,

634
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: is like their scheme set up for this sort of thing,

635
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 2: like they couldn't do it with Luca. I found this

636
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: fascinating in the in the MAVs playoff run, because like

637
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: they couldn't hedge and recover with Luca because Luca was

638
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: too slow, right, So like the shooter would just get

639
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: open in that sort of action, right, So like, especially

640
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: in the Boston series, they were just cooking Luca by

641
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 2: putting him in space. But like Rob is fast, So

642
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: like Rob could throw a hedge and get back to

643
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: a shooter and throw a good clothes out, you know

644
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: what I mean. So like his quickness in his activity

645
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: I think will will allow him to be a functioning part. Again,

646
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: like to your point, never going to be like a lockdown,

647
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 2: you know, Premiere, Like that's his job is to be

648
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: a defensive player. No, But like can he be a

649
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: functioning part of an NBA defense? I think he's capable

650
00:31:58,440 --> 00:31:59,720
Speaker 2: of it. It's just gonna be a question of whether

651
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 2: or not can build that out. So last piece before

652
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: we move on to Tyler Smith. The second big kind

653
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 2: of like criticism with Rob was just his willingness to

654
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 2: function as a playmaker. And we saw a big leap

655
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 2: in that department as he went to Kentucky. Just his

656
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: willingness to put to make reads in ball screens, into

657
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: trust his teammates and things like that. How was that

658
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: part of his development when he was with Overtime Elite.

659
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, there, some guys aren't built to pass.

660
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: That's the truth.

661
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 3: Like I mean, like, like you don't Rob Dillingham in

662
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 3: to lead your team and assists, Like that's just that's

663
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 3: just not who he is.

664
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 1: You know my.

665
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 3: Uncle, you know, right, Dominique Wilkins, he wasn't. They didn't

666
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 3: pay him to pass, like they didn't pay Michael Jordan

667
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,240
Speaker 3: to lead the team and assists. It's just some guys

668
00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 3: that just like even you you take even a elikue monk,

669
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 3: like he didn't. He's not getting a new seventy eight

670
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 3: million dollar contract right now because of his passion ability.

671
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 3: And I think like what we do too often is

672
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: we try to find things that we can criticize people

673
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 3: on and say, well, we want he's not a he's

674
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: not a playmaker.

675
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't.

676
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 3: He doesn't get enough assists. But Rob makes the right

677
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 3: plays for Robin's also, like everyone knows who Rob is.

678
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: He's a scoring guard, you know. I mean I don't,

679
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: I didn't.

680
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 3: I haven't checked stats recently, But I don't know if

681
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 3: Steph Curry leaves the Golden State and assists and you know,

682
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 3: he's still a hell of a playmaker, right, I think

683
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 3: it's ray mind if anyone, Like I don't know for sure,

684
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 3: but I'd have to check it, but I mean, it's

685
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: just some guys.

686
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 1: Who, like you have to live with who they are.

687
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,959
Speaker 3: And hope that they get better as time goes on

688
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: at things that you want them to get better at.

689
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: Robins is going to always make the right play, But

690
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: Robin's also to be the first option in Rob's mind,

691
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 3: like he's.

692
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: Coming off a screen looking to score.

693
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 3: And if you work with any trainers or basketball be

694
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 3: talked to any basketball players anywhere, Like the first thing

695
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 3: that people tell you in a pick and roll is, hey,

696
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,319
Speaker 3: you're the first option. They go under that screen, that's

697
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 3: a shot they get trailing your screen, get downhill and

698
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: get to the basket if someone steps up past. Like,

699
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 3: mind you just in that thing that I just described

700
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 3: to you, the third thing I said was past you

701
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: know what? So like, it's not a lot of like

702
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: Rob is gonna be Rob. Rob is gonna make the

703
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 3: right play. He's gonna always read, make the right read,

704
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 3: and if someone is open, he's gonna give him the ball.

705
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 3: But in Rob's mind, and I think in anyone who

706
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:52,359
Speaker 3: anyone who drafts him knows that in his mind, he's

707
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 3: the first option when he has the ball because that's

708
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: what you bring U Rob Dillingham in for. That's what

709
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 3: you bring a Jamal Crawford to your team for it.

710
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 3: That's what you bring a lot will to your team for.

711
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 3: Not them say that those guys don't ever pass ball,

712
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 3: because they did. However, they passed the ball when they

713
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: drew two people on them, right, like like you're supposed to.

714
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: You've done your job. I have two people on the ball,

715
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: now I can pass it. I did my job.

716
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: If it's me and you and I'm coaching, I like

717
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: all three of those guys that I just main to

718
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 1: take the shot or to make the play.

719
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have one hundred percent agree with you. Like

720
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: if your score or your score, that's that is an

721
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: important archetype of NBA player. Like I don't want Kevin

722
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 2: Durant to just go out there and try to be Lebron.

723
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 2: I don't want him to do that.

724
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 1: I want him to go out there.

725
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 2: And shoot the damn basketball right and like, like, honestly,

726
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 2: the way you put it is perfect. It's more about

727
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 2: just making reads in the sense that like one of

728
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: the most common coverages we're seeing in the NBA now

729
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: is that high drop coverage where they bring the big

730
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 2: up to the level and they bring the low man over,

731
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 2: and so there's either a pocket pass or a skip pass.

732
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: And as long as he can get good at making

733
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: that specific read, then he can function and pick and

734
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 2: roll and find openings for himself. But THEO is like,

735
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 2: if you shoot forty four percent from three and you

736
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 2: get a look at it, we want you shooting the

737
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 2: damn ball. We want you shooting because that's worth more

738
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 2: points than us to driving and kicking to a lesser shooter,

739
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 2: like and that that you need that alpha dog confidence,

740
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 2: you need that unwavering faith in your game, and like, yeah,

741
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 2: I agree with you. There's a there's a mandatory minimum

742
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 2: amount of like being able to make the reads that

743
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 2: you have to have. But I want to score to

744
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,640
Speaker 2: be a score, all right, So we're gonna we're gonna

745
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: move on to Tyler Smith. I find him to be

746
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: a super fascinating player because he's kind of like a

747
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 2: tweener in the sense that he's like he's kind of

748
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: like a little bit of an undersized big but he's

749
00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,879
Speaker 2: kind of like a bigger forward. But I he's got

750
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: like some legit face up games. He's good at, like

751
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 2: like understanding angles and the pivots to get like easy

752
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 2: hook shots and little finger rolls around the bass kind

753
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: of kind of reminds me of some of your face

754
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: up game back when you were playing too. To be honest,

755
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 2: but like, I find him to be a fascinating player

756
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 2: because in the modern NBA, like we talked about earlier,

757
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 2: you kind of have these two bigs that are fromntioning

758
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 2: is dribble handoff guys on both sides of the four.

759
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: You get a lot of switches, and having a big

760
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 2: guy that can like take a smaller player down to

761
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 2: the block and get a bucket is actually a huge

762
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 2: advantage in order to like it's a coverage beater. It's

763
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 2: a if you in a switch, if you have the

764
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: small guy guard go on to the screen, or you

765
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 2: need him to go get a bucket. And so tell

766
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 2: us a little bit about Tyler Smith and how you

767
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 2: see him functioning as an NBA player.

768
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: I think Tyler can be just as good as Michael

769
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: Porter Jr. And I think he's a guy that can

770
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,359
Speaker 3: play some small ball four. I think he can play

771
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 3: the three, and I also think depending on the matchup

772
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 3: that you can put him at too. He can handle

773
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 3: the ball. He can shoot the ball again. He's a

774
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 3: versatile guy who's just super long. He shoots the ball

775
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 3: at a hot clip, and he can make plays when

776
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: he has the ball, like he rebounds and pushes, you know.

777
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: Not you can't just leave.

778
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 3: Him open to to, you know, to force him to misshots.

779
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: He's not going to do that very often. I thought

780
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 3: he's out the ball very well Big Nite on he

781
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 3: shot the ball extremely well and finished up here shooting

782
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: the ball very well before he left. But Tyler just

783
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,279
Speaker 3: continues to get better. He's one of those guys too

784
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: that needed the weight room, and you can tell now

785
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 3: that since he's been getting in and out of the

786
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 3: weight rooms, his game is just kind of starting to

787
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 3: blossom a little bit and he's starting to find his

788
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: aggression level. Speaking of Sacramento, like that's the team I

789
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 3: like him to go to because I would love to

790
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 3: see him playing with those guys and and maybe him

791
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 3: sometime at the four with Sabonus at the Vibe. You know,

792
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: you got a guy who can bring those fours out

793
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: of the paint, but also athletic enough to run with

794
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 3: that team. Or you can bring him into the second

795
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 3: unit with a Eligue Monk and have him in elite

796
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 3: kind of just be the premier guys in that within

797
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,280
Speaker 3: that offense. Like he's just a cerebral, versatile guy who

798
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 3: really is like a plug and play type of player

799
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: because he just has all the those things. He's a

800
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 3: jack of so many trades, and I don't I'm super

801
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 3: excited to see where he goes and lands because I

802
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 3: think he's one of the guys that I will call

803
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 3: the sleeper in the draft.

804
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: Well, that's the fun part about going in the late

805
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: first round is you're going to go to a more

806
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,240
Speaker 2: developed team, like and you're gonna be given a small

807
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: role that you can achieve in. It's it's it's always

808
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 2: more fun to see that the draft prospects that kind

809
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 2: of get an opportunity to go somewhere where they're on

810
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,280
Speaker 2: national TV more often and they're playing in bigger games,

811
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 2: and that's how you get you know, Keegan Murray and

812
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 2: and those guys getting those opportunities.

813
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking.

814
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 3: Like, I think this draft is full of those type

815
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 3: of guys. The Keegan Murray's, the Jaden you know McDaniels,

816
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 3: the PJ. Washington's of the world, the Derrick Whites, the

817
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: Drew Hollidays, like guys that can come in and like

818
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 3: the Medy and you know, guys who can help you

819
00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 3: win big games, not just regular season games, but will

820
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 3: help you win big games. Like you saw that like

821
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 3: this these playoffs that would be just witnessed was it

822
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: was old players galore, like a lot of the stars

823
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: they showed up. But like really, like those guys are

824
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,479
Speaker 3: just named the guys that was like helping teams win,

825
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: you know, big games. And I think that's what this

826
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 3: draft has a lot of. And I think that's what

827
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 3: in particular that Tyler Smith can be.

828
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, this this draft doesn't have the major splashy like,

829
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: oh my gosh, that's one of the greatest prospects in

830
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 2: the history of basketball type of thing going on. But

831
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 2: to your point, like those those fringe guys, those guys

832
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,240
Speaker 2: that just are really high level role players, they almost

833
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,800
Speaker 2: always end up being swing factors, Like we see playoff

834
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: series swing on the third or fourth best player on

835
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 2: the team all the time. You know what I mean,

836
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,479
Speaker 2: It's it's just so vitally important. I mean, you mentioned

837
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: Michael Porter Junior earlier. I root for the Lakers. I

838
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 2: got sick of watching him make every damn shot. He

839
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 2: took that damn series of the first round right up.

840
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: Why did so many people hate when he makes shots?

841
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, man, I was so annoyed when he

842
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 2: was missing against Minnesota. So I thought it was fascinating

843
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,880
Speaker 2: because when I was watching the film on Tyler Smith,

844
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 2: he did he was getting pushed off his spot a

845
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:10,400
Speaker 2: little bit. So he's been putting in a lot of

846
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: work behind the scenes to bulk up.

847
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: Yes, he has has been in the weight room a

848
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: lot of things.

849
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: That's been one of his biggest emphasis over the summer,

850
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 3: and I know it was when in his last year here,

851
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 3: you know, trying to be stronger, getting stronger, being able

852
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: to not being pushed off his spot when he's attacked

853
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 3: the basket, not being bumped off his drive, things of

854
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 3: that nature. Because he's gonna have to be a guy

855
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: who can score at four levels with his size, his versatility,

856
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: his footwork and handle. He's a guy that like they're

857
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: gonna rely on him. I believe people are going to

858
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: rely on him and asks of him to be able

859
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 3: to be a guy that can score the rim, scored

860
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 3: the free throw line, scoring the mid ranging post, and

861
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 3: then a shoot three. So the weight room is going

862
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 3: to be very vital to his development. I continue telling

863
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 3: him that I hope he's listening.

864
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: I heard you. For his sake. I think he'll get it.

865
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: I believe so as well. And again, like his his

866
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 2: his archetype, which is kind of like that matchup attacking

867
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,319
Speaker 2: forward that can also shoot the ball, I think is

868
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: one of the most valuable archetypes that we see around

869
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 2: the league right now. And I think that there's a

870
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 2: lot of opportunity for guys like him to make good

871
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 2: money in the league if they put the work in

872
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 2: behind the scenes. All right, before we get out of here,

873
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 2: I had talked to you before we started the show.

874
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: This is something that's been really fascinating to me over

875
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: the course the last couple of years. And you are

876
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 2: very deeply entrenched in player development here in the US,

877
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,320
Speaker 2: and obviously you've worked with players from overseas as well.

878
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: But as we know, if we were ranking the top

879
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: players in the league right now, you're probably going Jokic one.

880
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 2: You're probably putting Luca up there, You're putting Giannis up there,

881
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: You're putting like the American guys that are up there

882
00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: are like Tatum, You know, Anthony Edwards is on the rise,

883
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,439
Speaker 2: but I'm not sure he's there yet. And then there's

884
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,879
Speaker 2: this KD, Lebron Steph group which is kind of tailing out.

885
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: So let me just let's let's start here. Actually, do

886
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: you do you agree that the majority of the top

887
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: players in the league are from overseas or do you

888
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 2: think the American players are underrated right now?

889
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: That's a really good question.

890
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: I mean, just if I think about, like who I

891
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: think the top players in the NBA are right now,

892
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: I mean, to me, Luca Is is arguably the best

893
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: player in the league, right like Joka follows by, you know,

894
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 3: i'd say Joka, but like that's two guys, you know.

895
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 3: And then like in no particular order, I gotta throw

896
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: Jaylen Brown in there, Anthony Edwards in there, I gotta

897
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 3: throw Lebron and they I gotta throw Stephan there. I

898
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 3: gotta throw KD in there, I gotta Devin Booker in there.

899
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: I gotta you know, throw I mean, shoot, you got

900
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 3: Yannis too, I mean, but he's not even like I mean,

901
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 3: I just I still think.

902
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: You gotta go through us. But I do believe.

903
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: That, you know, international basketball players have gotten exponentially better,

904
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 3: and quite frankly, like that has a lot to do

905
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 3: with how they've come up. Like Luca ben has been

906
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 3: a pro since he was fourteen, you know, and you

907
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 3: know he's been playing with grown men, you know, since

908
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: he was you know, before he could drive. And that

909
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 3: system that that that ecosystem that they're in and and

910
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 3: and the way that they go about doing it, it's

911
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,360
Speaker 3: similar to how we do things here at OTE.

912
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 1: It's basketball, basketball, basketball and everything else. You know.

913
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 3: That's not to mention, that's not to say that all

914
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 3: the things that everything else are less important, right because

915
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: academics are important, right, Like those things are important.

916
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 1: However, it's like let's be efficient with it. And I

917
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 1: think that's what we've done.

918
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 3: We kind of you know, copy that model in a sense, right,

919
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,600
Speaker 3: Like they're like, let's just cut out all the fluff,

920
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 3: focus on the most important things that are that everything else.

921
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: But focus on basketball.

922
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: You go to a regular high school here in America,

923
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 3: as you know, it's like you're in school for eight

924
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: hours a day. You're sitting in classes, and half of

925
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 3: those classes you're not even gonna need or use the

926
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: stuff from it, right, That's the first thing. And then

927
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 3: you know, you get out of school and you can't

928
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 3: use the gym because the volleyball team is it's their season,

929
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 3: you know, or wrestling or you know, cheerleading or whatever

930
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: the case may be. So you don't have access to

931
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 3: a gym. And by the time you do get access

932
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 3: to a gym, your brain is fried. And so it's

933
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 3: the mind in your body is just tired, so you

934
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 3: don't you may not work as hard that day as

935
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 3: you would in a normal day.

936
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,320
Speaker 1: Where you have access to a gym.

937
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 3: Us we give our guys access us to a gym

938
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: until about midnight, and their focus is on basketball player development,

939
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 3: getting bigger, getting stronger, getting faster, all of those things.

940
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: Most of their day that's taken up of those things.

941
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: So I think that international players, I don't think it's

942
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 3: that they just it's just more talent over there there.

943
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 3: It is a lot of talent internationally, and I respect

944
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 3: and appreciate that talent. But I also think they just

945
00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 3: have a system that's caught up to us now because

946
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 3: they like that system. Now you're starting to see that

947
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: that system has worked. Right, Like Luca at fourteen wouldn't

948
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 3: have been Luca who he is now.

949
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: Him at fourteen.

950
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 3: He just stayed in that type of system every day

951
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 3: those years prior to coming over here, and you're just

952
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 3: seeing the I guess, the benefits of that work that

953
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 3: he put in back then. Right, Like he was built

954
00:46:56,920 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 3: to play professional basketball. He was prepared for it at

955
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,720
Speaker 3: such a young age. And I think that's the model

956
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,720
Speaker 3: that we're using. We're preparing our guys to be leaps

957
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:11,319
Speaker 3: and bounds above the rest of the guys that's coming

958
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 3: in even in college, Like you get twenty hours a

959
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,359
Speaker 3: week or something like that prior to the season start.

960
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 3: We have no cap on, you know, the work or

961
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 3: the time that our guys can put in in our building. Right,

962
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: Like you can go it's like you're at twenty hours

963
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 3: by Wednesday, you know what I mean. So it's like

964
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: it's just a matter of the time that you get

965
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 3: to put in. Those guys aren't internationally just born right

966
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:37,320
Speaker 3: Luka Donchets.

967
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,520
Speaker 1: They worked that. They work to become that.

968
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: Like obviously, yeah, God sprinkled a little extra on him.

969
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,840
Speaker 1: They worked to be that. Can you imagine Anthony Edwards.

970
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 3: In HOTE system from the time that he was a freshman,

971
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: I mean, he was already a monster as a high

972
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 3: school player, whole body developed, super athletics, strong, super talented.

973
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 3: But you take all of that and you give our

974
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,200
Speaker 3: system to that, and you mix his skill level with that,

975
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: I mean he would be leaps and bounds above how

976
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,799
Speaker 3: good he is right now. So I just think it's

977
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:17,359
Speaker 3: a matter of accessibility, and I think it's a matter

978
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 3: of just the opportunity and the time that you have

979
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: to work on your game. But the international game is

980
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,359
Speaker 3: certainly on the way. I looked at the teams they

981
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 3: showed the graphic ESPN show the graphic of the teams

982
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 3: on social media, like the Olympic teams, and like, it's

983
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 3: so many NBA guys on different Olympic teams that it's like, shit,

984
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 3: like this is gonna be. It's gonna be, it's gonna

985
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 3: be tough, you know, Olympic run for our for our team.

986
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: But then I look at our.

987
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 2: Team and I'm like, our team is ridiculous.

988
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 3: The USA team is stacked, so it's like you have

989
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 3: to be all twelve of those guys, you know, whereas

990
00:48:56,320 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 3: Canada has three guys from the NBA, Like, of course

991
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 3: they probably have some other guys that are just are good.

992
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 3: I'm sure, but you know, in terms of pinnacle of basketball,

993
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 3: they have, you know, I think it's three guys like

994
00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, Shaye, you gotta Jamal Murray, Paul Murray,

995
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 3: you have RJ.

996
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: Barrett, Dylks, I think that Brooks.

997
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: You know, four guys, Dylan Brooks.

998
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,520
Speaker 3: So that's four guys right who one of them is

999
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 3: want and a half superstars. You have Shae who come

1000
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 3: on his way to being that, and then you know

1001
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 3: Jamal Jamal Murray who is missed the playoffs. You know,

1002
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 3: those are the two guys. They're they're NBA role players

1003
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 3: and I have a ton of respect for both of

1004
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 3: their games.

1005
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: But like our team.

1006
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 3: Has twelve legitimate stars, you know what I mean, It's

1007
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: like that's gonna be hard to be So I think

1008
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: we we we're certainly right there, and I think I

1009
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,839
Speaker 3: think still in the conversations as the best. But the

1010
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 3: international guys was certainly, you know, neck and neck with us,

1011
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:09,240
Speaker 3: and they figured out the platform to be able to

1012
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 3: get themselves and make themselves, you know, extremely prepared for

1013
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 3: NBA basketball.

1014
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the I think there's still a massive

1015
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 2: gap between the US and all of the other countries individually,

1016
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: but I do think you could say us versus the

1017
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 2: world has gotten close, if not the world has taken

1018
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:27,760
Speaker 2: over because of those.

1019
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: Times that gap business wide anymore.

1020
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm actually really glad I asked you because

1021
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,240
Speaker 2: you brought up something that I hadn't even thought about,

1022
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:39,439
Speaker 2: which is just like availability of resources. Because I coach

1023
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 2: at the high school level here in Tucson, getting the

1024
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: gym is such a pain in the ass, Like just

1025
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: getting access to the gym is such a pain, and

1026
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: like most of the time I have to go up

1027
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 2: there super early in the morning and ask the kids

1028
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 2: to come in before school to get extra skill reps

1029
00:50:52,600 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 2: in because you're fighting with the volleyball team or or

1030
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,240
Speaker 2: whoever it is. That's even the football team now in Arizona.

1031
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:58,879
Speaker 2: Because it's so hot here in Arizona, the football team

1032
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: will use the gym for their walk through. I'm like,

1033
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 2: what are we even doing here? These are basketball courts. Like,

1034
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: so it's there's definitely something to be said about Luca

1035
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 2: from age fourteen being in a professional program and just

1036
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 2: like learning how to play as a professional through that

1037
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 2: entire process, and it just accelerates the entire thing. And

1038
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 2: I mean to put it even further, like I agree

1039
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,400
Speaker 2: with you in the sense that I think the US

1040
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 2: is bad and hopefully over time Elite will help address

1041
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 2: this problem. But like we're bad at like identifying who

1042
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: our prodigies are and like pulling them out of that

1043
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 2: stupid high school system and putting them into a more

1044
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 2: defined professional basketball type of system. Because that's the thing.

1045
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: Too, not about the prospect here overseas internationally, it's about

1046
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: the prospect, and it's about what's best for the prospect.

1047
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: Here, it's about what's best.

1048
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 3: For the agent, the parent, the advisor, the coach, and

1049
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 3: everyone that's around them right internationally is selfless.

1050
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: They're like, no, go represent us right here.

1051
00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 3: We're like, no, I have to keep you with me

1052
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 3: so I can get something out of that, like and

1053
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: and too often that's I think that's what we do.

1054
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: Like it's teams that we tried to schedule to play

1055
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 3: us here at OTE that won't play us because their

1056
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 3: coaches are saying to us, we can't bring our players

1057
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 3: in you guys building, because they're gonna like it too

1058
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: much and then we'll lose them. Well, you want the player,

1059
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 3: what what is it, Matt? But it is better for

1060
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: the kid exactly because I think I feel like if

1061
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 3: Duke called said coach and said, hey, we have a

1062
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 3: head coaching job for you right now, you can be

1063
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: the head coach of Duke University, that coach wouldn't hesitate

1064
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 3: to take that deal or take that offer. But that's

1065
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 3: the thing we we We we act like as if

1066
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: we own players here, like like, no, it's my player,

1067
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: so he has to do everything with me so I

1068
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 3: can get something out of it, as opposed to like

1069
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,400
Speaker 3: Lucas Slovenia, They're like, no, go represent us, Go be

1070
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: the best player in the NBA. Go compete for that,

1071
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: so we can be proud of that, right Like, And

1072
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 3: it's it's that that's a that's a large piece to

1073
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 3: it that I just never will be able to wrap

1074
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 3: my hands around my son, for instance, right he's just

1075
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:24,120
Speaker 3: turned sixteen years old.

1076
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: The freshman he was.

1077
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 3: He's here at OTE and just finished up his first

1078
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 3: year here though Toe and ended up being a starter

1079
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,800
Speaker 3: for half the season and all of the playoffs. Youngest

1080
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,879
Speaker 3: guy we've ever had start in Ote. Like I could

1081
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,840
Speaker 3: have easily been like, no, I want you to stay

1082
00:53:39,880 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 3: in normal high school and be the man and get

1083
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 3: all this notoriety and attention and all of that, but

1084
00:53:46,200 --> 00:53:49,520
Speaker 3: like no, like let's let's delay all that. Do what's

1085
00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 3: best for you now. So then by the time, like

1086
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 3: you can, you will get exponentially better here competing against

1087
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 3: these guys every day, and then by the time you're

1088
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 3: a senior, you know, the show could be yours. So

1089
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,879
Speaker 3: like that's the selflessness, right, It's like give up, give

1090
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: up that instant thing with that big fish, small pond mentality,

1091
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,960
Speaker 3: and go be a part of something bigger that can

1092
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:14,800
Speaker 3: help you in turn be a whole.

1093
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: Lot more better.

1094
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you got to learn how to play with

1095
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: and against really good basketball players, and so like putting

1096
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 2: them in an environment like that, that's the advantage with

1097
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 2: Luca going and playing with pros at fourteen, like because

1098
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 2: if you had to for me, like, I find it

1099
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,959
Speaker 2: fascinating because I think our skill development in the US

1100
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 2: is great, Like we are obsessed with skill development. We

1101
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 2: produce so many guys who can dribble and shoot at

1102
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:39,280
Speaker 2: a high level, but I think the ability to play

1103
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: with people is lacking a little bit in our American

1104
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 2: basketball player development because of that, Like guys run off

1105
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 2: to their AAU team and average thirty five points a

1106
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: game on twenty five shots a game, and they don't

1107
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 2: know how to play alongside other really good players like

1108
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 2: you have to. You have to be able to function

1109
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 2: next to good players, because that's what Division one basketball

1110
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 2: is like. That is what playing overseas is like. That

1111
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 2: is what playing in the NBA is like. And I

1112
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:06,920
Speaker 2: could I could sit here and complain about AAU basketball

1113
00:55:06,960 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: and different things like that all day long, but I'm

1114
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 2: gonna I'm gonna save your time. Uh, Damien, I sincerely

1115
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 2: appreciate you taking the time to come hang out with

1116
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 2: us for a little bit. Is there anything else you

1117
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,760
Speaker 2: wanted to shout out before we got out of here today?

1118
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 3: No, just man, just excited for our guys alumni. That's

1119
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 3: in a couple of days. I'm just super excited for

1120
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,720
Speaker 3: those guys and and and and looking forward to seeing

1121
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: you know, where they go, you know, and how well

1122
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:37,719
Speaker 3: and just ready to go.

1123
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're gonna know a lot more here in a

1124
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 2: couple of days. It's I can't believe it's right around

1125
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 2: the corner. Feels like the finals. Just end it all right,

1126
00:55:43,400 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: That's all we have for today, Damian, thanks again for

1127
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:47,399
Speaker 2: coming to hang out. That's all we got. Guys. We're

1128
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:50,560
Speaker 2: gonna be back tomorrow morning with Sam Bassini from The

1129
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: Athletic to look at the rest of the first round

1130
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:54,080
Speaker 2: of the NBA Draft. I will see you guys.

1131
00:55:54,080 --> 00:55:56,920
Speaker 1: Then the volume