WEBVTT - Harry Litman & Jeff Jarvis 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:04.200 Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.200 where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:11.680 today's best minds, and Donald Trump sent seven COVID tests 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:16.520 of Vladimir Putin in twenty twenty during the height of 0:00:16.600 --> 0:00:20.120 the pandemic. We have such a great show for you today. 0:00:20.440 --> 0:00:24.600 Talking Fed's host Harry Littman stops by to talk to 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.840 us about the latest of Trump's legal woes. Then we'll 0:00:29.840 --> 0:00:35.040 talk to Professor Jeff Jarvis about his new book, The 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:40.839 Web we Weave, Why we must reclaim the Internet from moguls, misanthropes, 0:00:40.920 --> 0:00:42.239 and moral panic. 0:00:42.440 --> 0:00:45.000 But first the news. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:50.200 Somali Bob Woodward been putting out blockbuster headlines for longer 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.000 than you and I have been alive. He's got some 0:00:52.040 --> 0:00:53.400 more for us. What are you seeing here? 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:57.680 Bob Woodward back with another blockbuster book, filled with information 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:01.600 that might have been useful as a little bit earlier, 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:04.560 but we'll take it. I think that we saw the 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:08.640 COVID test, the Putin COVID test mailings came from that. 0:01:08.720 --> 0:01:14.560 But also, perhaps even more bafflingly and importantly, Woodward recounts 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.959 a moment in mar Lago where Trump tells his senior 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.119 aide to leave the room so he can have a 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:22.959 private conversation. This is after he's left the presidency with 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.560 Vladimir Putin. According to Trump's aids, Trump and Putin have 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.679 talked on the phone multiple times and maybe as many 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.240 as seven calls during the period since he's been president. 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.639 Woodward even went so far as to ask Chason Miller 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:43.520 whether Trump and Putin had spoken after he left the 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:48.880 White House. Chason Miller came shot back with the very definitive. 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.880 Um, uh not that, uh not that I'm aware of. 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:58.480 Miller told Bob Woodward, expect more of these shocking revelations. 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.680 Smile as we learn this week. Trump didn't want to 0:02:01.680 --> 0:02:04.360 do sixteen Minutes because they would fact check him, so 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.320 he went to the warm arms of Fox News is 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:09.720 Laura Ingram, who then fact checked him. 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:12.800 We were talking before this about the Trump fact check 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.080 and putting it in the news section, and you said 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:17.680 that was Laura Ingram and I said, no, that can't 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.600 be right. I said it cannot have been that Laura 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:24.280 Ingram fact checked Donald Trump. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.760 The funny thing is I had done this before because 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:29.079 I didn't believe it. The only reason I was confident 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.200 about is because I'd already fact checked. 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:31.639 This, right. 0:02:32.000 --> 0:02:35.119 I went online and I said, oh my god, I'm shocked. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:39.000 So imagine the level of lying that has to happen 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:43.000 for Laura Ingram to interject. Donald Trump was musing about 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.480 how Vice President Harris was not where she should have 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:51.639 been in North Carolina visiting people who had been ravaged 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.280 by this most recent hurricane, not the hurricane that is coming, 0:02:55.680 --> 0:03:00.000 and Laura interjected, she was there today for three hours, 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:05.560 I believe. Now, I would love to know what producers 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.880 were saying in her ear and what the thinking was 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:15.399 where they actually interrupted Trump lying to fact check. 0:03:15.440 --> 0:03:19.040 But whatever it was, whoe whoa whoa. 0:03:19.480 --> 0:03:22.000 Yeah, I was not in the sea of disinformation that 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.880 I think a lot of us have been very shocked 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.399 about how much disinformation has come out around this hurricane. 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.560 I did not expect Laura Ingram to be a beacon of. 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:35.800 Hope speaking of disinformation. Oh yes, it gets us right 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:39.240 to our next thing in news, Well, what. 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.960 Would you expect to happen when Elon Musk sits down 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.120 with Tucker Carlson for his podcast. 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:49.480 Elon Musk son of Pennsylvania because he went to University 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:52.720 of Pennsylvania for three years and is now saying that 0:03:52.760 --> 0:03:55.800 he actually lived in Pennsylvania. By the way, I love 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:59.600 the idea that the right is claiming to be the 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:03.720 party of the working man while having a Trump surrogate 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:09.160 who is a nefarious South African billionaire whose only contact 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.360 was the state was the three years he went to 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.960 an Ivy League college there. Okay, sure, but this is 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:18.880 not actually why he's on the news cycle today. He 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:24.880 and you may remember Tucker Carlson, America's favorite frozen Fish Air, 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:28.000 did a little video together where they're like sitting in 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.400 space being served by a woman, which is like looks 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:36.200 sort of like they're in some kind of afterlife simulation. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.320 I saw this as the anti Charlie Rose space right. 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.520 A white box, a female assistant. 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.680 Make it the White Power Hour, have its own aesthetic. 0:04:47.000 --> 0:04:51.440 They were joking because that's what these two humorous fellows do, 0:04:51.600 --> 0:04:55.479 and they were joking about killing the president and the 0:04:55.560 --> 0:05:00.000 Vice president. Elon Musk sits atop of tons and tons 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:03.880 of government contracts. He's a contractor. In fact, he has 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:09.240 security clearances, numerous ones. He is working on things that 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:11.760 are being paid for by the federal government right now, 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:15.400 and he is joking about why no one has tried 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:20.839 to kill Joe Biden. Musk ads it's pointless, and then 0:05:20.960 --> 0:05:25.120 Carlson Fozen Fish Air to the Stars replies, totally. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.920 He actually said that's deep and true though, about them 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:32.080 putting it a puppet, which really he's hit rock bottom, 0:05:32.120 --> 0:05:34.880 even lower than his Fox show about just aggregating the 0:05:34.920 --> 0:05:38.880 most unhingish conspiracy theories. Just Alex Jones, shit. 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.200 Yeah, I also think that it's just sort of beyond 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:47.000 the pale and just as shocking as one could guess, 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:50.279 and one could expect it's even worse. So here we 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.559 have two bits of news that make actually Fox seem 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.320 better than elon a pretty low bar. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.600 I'll say, well, let's take the bar even lower. We're 0:05:59.600 --> 0:06:01.000 going to go a place where we should have a 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:03.680 very high bar, which is the Supreme Court. And there's 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:08.200 new news about how Justice Brett Kegstan Kavanaugh got confirmed. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:15.560 Yes, yes, yes, you'll remember Justice Kavanaugh. Keggstand September twenty eighteen, 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.599 and Donald Trump says that the FBI would have free 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:24.200 reign to vet the claims that he had sexually harassed 0:06:24.240 --> 0:06:27.919 and assaulted women in college. Trump said the FBI was 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.480 free to talk to everyone he had it on social media. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:33.440 I want them to interview whoever they deem appropriate at 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.880 their discretion. Well, guess what, I know you're going to 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.360 be shocked to hear this. But Donald Trump was lying 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.600 and those comments came as a surprise the FBI, who, 0:06:42.640 --> 0:06:46.040 according to a new report, which would not have been 0:06:46.560 --> 0:06:49.960 released had it not been for a friend of this podcast, 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:56.800 Senator Sheldon white House, actually requested the directed them to 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.680 conduct a very limited inquiry in a week's time, requested 0:07:00.760 --> 0:07:04.000 additional guidance from the White House, citing public remarks by 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:08.400 Trump and other officials describing a free, willing investigation. But 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.880 the White House never authorized the agency to independently probe 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:17.680 these sexual misconduct allegations. So Justice Kavanaugh just got pushed 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:21.240 in there without the formal vetting that he should have gotten. 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.600 Why are none of us surprised? 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:30.760 We have even more tour dates for you. Did you 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.320 know the Lincoln Projects, Rick Wilson have Fast Politics. Male 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.480 jug Fast are heading out on tour to bring you 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.920 a night of laughs for our dark political landscape. Join 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.080 us on August twenty sixth at San Francisco at the 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.400 Swedish American Hall, or in La on August twenty seventh 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.000 at the Regent Theater. 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Should I start? 0:09:01.320 --> 0:09:02.120 Yeah, all right. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:05.680 I don't normally go international, I don't normally go Jewish, 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:10.000 but yesterday was the one year anniversary of the slaughter 0:09:10.760 --> 0:09:15.720 in Israel, and of course we're between Russia, shot and Yankipoor. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.280 So I just wanted to ask you, Mollie. You had 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:22.320 an article in Vanity Fair about what you called Trump's 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:27.040 efforts to divide American Jews? What inspired you to write 0:09:27.040 --> 0:09:30.920 the article and why now? And a quick follow up 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:33.320 is what do you make of this claim that a 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.120 lot of American Jews buy that Trump is, in fact, 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:38.800 whatever else, he may be better for Israel? 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:42.000 So, yeah, thank you for that question. I did write 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.400 about that. I completely forgot I wrote about it, which 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:47.880 is such a great moment to be in. I do 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.480 think that this has been a long time thing where 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.320 the right tells the laugh that they can't be good 0:09:53.400 --> 0:09:57.679 Jews because they should be more loyal to Israel. 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.480 This is yet another moment where everything is weird. 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:00.719 Right. 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.319 During that speech, which was about quote unquote fighting anti Semitism, 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.720 Trump talked about how Jews are actually more loyal to 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.160 Israel than they are to the United States, and so 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:14.079 they should vote for him because he really likes Israel, 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:17.240 which is of course an anti Semitic trope, right, the 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.040 idea that Jews cannot be loyal to the country that 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.720 they come from. I don't know, you know, my grandparents 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.200 were all born in this country, so we've been here 0:10:25.280 --> 0:10:26.400 many generations. 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:27.800 I've never been to Israel. 0:10:28.160 --> 0:10:31.880 I think that the reality of my Jewishness does not 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:37.320 define how I feel about politics, and the idea that 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:42.480 another country should take president over my feeling towards America 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:43.360 is wild. 0:10:43.760 --> 0:10:45.240 So, but it's a long time thing. 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:48.320 And it's funny because it's like my grandfather, who was 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:52.599 a Communist writer or jailed for the House of American Activities, 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:55.720 would often fight with these conservative Jews. 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:59.880 And he was a Zionist as anyone, right, because he 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.160 he really I mean, he had lived. 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.400 Through the Holocaust and he had I mean, he had 0:11:04.440 --> 0:11:06.959 been in the United States, obviously, but yet he had 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.520 worked for the United States government during World War Two, 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.200 and he was as committed a patriot as anyone, but 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.200 he understood the importance of a Jewish homeland after the 0:11:18.520 --> 0:11:20.360 you know, the slaughterer of so many Jews. 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:23.680 But he also really did fight. 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.920 It out with those right wingers who called liberal je 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.320 just disloyal. I mean, it's just an argument that the 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.559 right has been using against the left for a very, 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:34.400 very long time, and I just wanted to write about 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:34.920 it a little bit. 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:35.640 Got it. 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:38.160 I'll just say quickly, all right, what Trump has said 0:11:38.160 --> 0:11:40.520 about October seventh, if he had been president, it wouldn't 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:42.400 have happened. You know, it's not at all clear to 0:11:42.440 --> 0:11:43.840 me that he's the better candidate. 0:11:43.880 --> 0:11:46.640 But anyway, he's certainly not the better candidate for Israel, 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:50.040 and the idea that net Yahoo is the best president 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.600 for Israel also is something that many of the Israeli 0:11:53.640 --> 0:11:56.679 people would disagree with. So my question for you is 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.000 it seems like all of the Trump prosecutions are stalled. 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:03.040 Is that correct? And how is this. 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:06.080 Possible that this guy who has you know, he's out 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.480 on bail, he's you know, Judge Cannon. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.640 I mean, where are we with all these Trump cases? 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:11.440 Yeah. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:14.240 So the short answer is yes with two asterisks. But 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.480 you know, we were fighting the clock and we've lost. 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.640 You know, there was such a thirst for accountability in 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:24.200 the manner in the guise of an actual trial, and 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.439 apart from New York, which I'll get to in a moment, 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.840 it hasn't happened. He's been able largely to forestall it. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:33.240 And now we're at a point where if it happens, 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:36.439 it'll be after the election. If he wins, the two 0:12:36.520 --> 0:12:40.200 federal ones go away automatically, and the state ones, I 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:44.079 think will in one fashion another be smothered or at 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:47.800 least delayed. On the other hand, if he loses, justice 0:12:47.880 --> 0:12:51.520 will grind on. The two asterisks I wanted to note, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:55.480 Molly are first, he's gonna be sentenced in New York, 0:12:55.520 --> 0:13:00.080 and people are just wondering will he be after the election, 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.040 And we'll have a short incarceratory penalty. Maybe after the election, 0:13:04.120 --> 0:13:06.680 maybe not, but it won't be a short incarceratory penalty. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.520 But if you've had friends, and I'm not saying you 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:13.600 have who are subject to probation and parole, that's a 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:18.079 fairly pronounced deprivation of liberty. And I think that itself 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.960 gives the court a measure of control over him, so 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:23.800 he's in the clutches of the criminal justice system in 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:24.520 some ways. 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:27.160 In the long run, I mean, he's basically gotten away 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:28.480 with it so far. 0:13:28.559 --> 0:13:31.440 I think that's right. It'll all come down to the 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:36.000 reckoning will be after One big exception that's been interesting 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:39.760 is everyone wanted the trial in the Jack Smith case. 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:43.199 The Supreme Court snatched it away. Then the mini trial, 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:45.800 which I just didn't think was feasible, but he came 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.680 out with a long brief that lays it out in 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.440 chapter and verse. So to the extent people wanted it 0:13:51.640 --> 0:13:55.080 exposed to the American people as it was in January sixth, 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.560 it's done that, and there's a lot of bombshells, but 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.840 it really goes back to you political because it looks 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.160 to me like it hasn't had quite a seismic effect, 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.240 and it's not, you know, the big October surprise people 0:14:08.320 --> 0:14:11.440 might might have wanted, notwithstanding that we have it all 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:14.960 laid out. But somehow even all these extra details you 0:14:15.040 --> 0:14:17.320 would know better, but seem kind of baked into the 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:18.440 politics of things. 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.760 I mean, it's sort of got a perfunctory news coverage, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:27.400 but largely just didn't capture the imagination of the public 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:27.880 at all. 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:29.880 It seems to me that's right. I mean, when he 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:32.440 was convicted in New York, the polls kind of went 0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.080 down for him, and there are this is going to 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:37.680 give rise to some other details. I just had a 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:42.240 long YouTube with Marcy Wheeler. There's more stuff to mine there. 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.560 But it just it hasn't been the huge thing that 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:47.320 people were asking for. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.440 So does this mean the law has not. 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.440 Just means they haven't done the job that people wanted 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.440 them to do, but it's really not the law's job 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:59.120 to do by this certain point, by the election. It 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.440 means it's up to the people to decide. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.920 Yeah, But I mean I understand that. 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:07.840 But don't you think that ultimately, if you do a 0:15:07.840 --> 0:15:11.200 lot of crimes when you're president, that the law should 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:15.160 hold you accountable. Yes, naked, so you can run for 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:16.880 a president again, hot take. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.960 The Constitution says so as well, especially if it's a 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.360 certain kind of crime like swearing an oath to the 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:25.400 United States and then mounting an insurrection. We're in a 0:15:25.520 --> 0:15:28.920 very funky spot. That's a much longer conversation. And look 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.960 to the US Supreme Court, which just started its term yesterday, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.280 But yes I do. On the other hand, if he loses, 0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.640 he is by no means out of the woods, right. 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:40.760 Only if he loses. If he wins. 0:15:41.560 --> 0:15:43.800 If he wins, all that's left I think is some 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:46.760 of the state stuff and you know New York, which 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:49.640 has already happened, and I think the Supreme Court would 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.000 put that on hold. If he wins. His big roll 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:56.840 of the dice has succeeded if he wins, and people, 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:59.440 of course will decide what president they want without the 0:15:59.560 --> 0:16:04.480 nawledg of you know, whether he's convicted on multiple cases. 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.560 All right. Kama Harris has been fielding all these criticisms, 0:16:08.640 --> 0:16:13.240 but mainly from elite commentariats, guys like us and the 0:16:13.360 --> 0:16:16.240 right wing, which it seems to me, is flailing to 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.000 try to get at her that she's got to be 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.960 more open to the media and she's now begun to 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:25.200 do it. She's going to do another sixty minutes. But 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.480 is that right? We're down to three weeks. Does it 0:16:27.600 --> 0:16:32.040 really matter that she exposed herself to unscripted interviews and 0:16:32.160 --> 0:16:35.800 possibly make a gaff or should she just like forget 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.240 this and pedal to the metal and what she's doing 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:39.840 with rally after rally. 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.720 Yeah, I think she should just do rallies and call 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:47.200 her Daddy and the haunt ones and whatever else she 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.640 wants to do and ignore. I mean, this is interesting 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.640 in the fact that it shows that the mainstream media 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:59.480 no longer matters. There are people who are fancy pundans 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:02.600 who care about her doing sixty minutes, but she doesn't 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.080 need to do sixty minutes. Like in fact, there was 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.919 some statistic that if you read the newspaper, you're like 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:11.120 significantly more likely to vote for Harris, right, if. 0:17:11.040 --> 0:17:12.399 You can even read right. 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:17.840 So obviously this is the thing about like false equivalencies. 0:17:18.320 --> 0:17:25.240 She cannot make people not push her for comments, right, 0:17:25.800 --> 0:17:29.679 She cannot make people push her for policy. Trump's policy 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:33.159 is childcare is childcare, and he's going to fix the 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:37.320 price of housing by deporting millions and millions of people 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:40.720 wait till he has to build camps to concentrate them in. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:45.680 I mean, it's just a like completely on an even 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.320 sense in which these two people are being compared. And 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:52.600 what Harris should do, I think is just ignore it. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:56.399 Do whatever the fuck she wants be out there, like 0:17:56.640 --> 0:18:00.719 doing realies, doing talks, doing whatever. But you know, she 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.120 doesn't like those interviews where they press her and who cares? 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.080 And by the way, like, I think that what is 0:18:07.160 --> 0:18:10.119 irritating the mainstream media is they think it's about her hiding, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:13.080 but I think the reality is it's about the diminished 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:17.160 state of the mainstream media. Like, editorial endorsements don't move 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:21.879 the needle anymore, editorial board endorsements don't change people's minds. 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:22.640 Sitting for a. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.399 Long interview with the journalists for the New York Times 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:27.560 might be great for you or me, but it's not 0:18:27.560 --> 0:18:28.680 going to do anything for her. 0:18:28.880 --> 0:18:31.280 And the question is always what vote is she going 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.520 to get? That she wouldn't have any way by doing 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:34.679 sixteen minutes right. 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.080 Right and the call her daddy vote. Those are women 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:41.600 that she really needs to win a lot of independence, 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:44.920 a lot of Republicans, and they need to care about 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:48.199 their reproductive health care. I think that's very smart. I 0:18:48.200 --> 0:18:51.600 think that was really a hole in one. I think 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:55.760 Walls should go on Joe Rogan one hundred percent. Put 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:59.639 Walls on Joe Rogan. Do it because he Walls is 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.639 a great candidate. Put him on Joe Rogan. That's my take. 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:04.480 Yeah, I saw him just a couple of days ago, 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:06.480 he's really winning. Okay, your turn. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.040 I just read some reporting today that the Supreme Court 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:16.480 that Roberts, who loves to like say bullshit, was upset 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.880 by the pushback he got on the Trump is immune 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:22.120 forever and ever and he is a god king. Make 0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:24.560 it make sense and also tell me what you think 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:25.400 might happen here. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:29.639 Yeah, Roberts, So first, you know he's wanted to be 0:19:29.800 --> 0:19:33.160 mister statesman. But the big story I would say last year, 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:36.119 Mollie is it was latent all the time, which is 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:38.720 when the chips are down, and by that I mean 0:19:39.160 --> 0:19:44.040 for the Republican Party. No, mister statesman. Really, he's in 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:48.000 lockstep now. He wrote, you know, he's within the cocoon 0:19:48.040 --> 0:19:51.000 of the Supreme Court, and he wrote an opinion that 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:56.040 he actually saw as being somewhat tempered. Had to go 0:19:56.119 --> 0:20:00.520 a little bit right to get Alito in talk and 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:04.399 maybe Gorse it's not to right separately, but you know, 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.159 we had this really remarkable I know it doesn't seem 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.199 so astonishing if you haven't been in the court, but 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:13.320 having corked there, the leak of that memo where he 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.919 just is scathing towards the DC Circuit is you know, 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:22.720 the whole thing with immunity, and that immunity opinion. You know, 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:26.199 they're just living in a different world. It's not just 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:30.280 judges everywhere, but academics and people who think something is 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.320 deeply wrong about this. So what is going to happen? 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.720 The first question actually is will Trump succeed in making 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:38.760 it go up and down, up and down, up and down, 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:42.520 because the goal of Chuckin and Smith is not But 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.600 even that one up and down trip that's left, that 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:50.480 means Smith is already accepted that no trials'll say twenty 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:55.600 twenty six, And I personally think that Chuckin she's likely 0:20:55.640 --> 0:20:59.040 to be where Smith is, and I would have zero 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:04.840 surprise if the court again smacks her down on what 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.960 she says about the immunity, which is now going to 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:11.600 be sort of sentenced by sentence on the indictment. So 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:15.040 I did say, you know, eight minutes ago that he's 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:18.200 not out of the woods yet. But it's a very 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:22.360 long path, and you know there's going to be national 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:26.440 fatigue and everything else over this most important and righteous prosecution. 0:21:27.000 --> 0:21:30.720 But I think the Supreme Court isn't done putting its 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:34.800 stamp on. Okay to you, JD Vance and one of 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.760 your recent podcasts, you noted how he in some way 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:40.680 is Trump isn't without Trump. So what do you mean 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.680 by that and what do you see as let's say 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.480 Trump loses for this question just because it's a more 0:21:46.520 --> 0:21:47.560 interesting way to put it. 0:21:47.720 --> 0:21:48.520 Who is JD. 0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:53.000 Vance? And what is the Republican Party post Trump? 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:54.480 Okay? So I would say two things. 0:21:54.640 --> 0:21:58.000 A lot of people watch that debate and thought what 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.680 I thought, which was this eye is good at making 0:22:02.760 --> 0:22:06.600 Trumpism without Trump work, and the way he's able to 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:10.000 do it is by lying. One of the things about 0:22:10.040 --> 0:22:14.199 trump Ism without Trump is that Trump he lies. He 0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:18.480