1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Obama official is lawyering up. We will pay tribute to somebody. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: I never do that, but we will tonight somebody who died. 3 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: Megan Kelly joins us, Miranda Devine joins us with her 4 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: Australian accent. All that and more coming up on I'm right, Okay, 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to do something that I really never do 6 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: on this show. You know, we'd like to honor the 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: fallen on this show. I'm talking about fallen troops and 8 00:00:32,479 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: people who die in training and things like that. We 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: try to do that as much as we can. But 10 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: I'm not celebrity guy. I don't do pop culture really, 11 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: and it's not because I don't take any stock in it. 12 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: It's not an interest for me, and so when celebrities die, 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: it's not something we generally talk about here. Not that 14 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, pray for their families, it's just not 15 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: going to be a regular subject of conversation here on 16 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: I'm right. That's just kind of how we've chosen to 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: run things here on the show. But I'm sure you 18 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: heard already by now that Hulk Hogan, wrestling legend Hulk 19 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: Hogan died at the age of seventy one cardiac arrest 20 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: at his home in Florida. And before I play you something, 21 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: I just want to say something I may not do 22 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: pop culture, but entertainment actually is really really important. Every 23 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,960 Speaker 1: society of every size and history has had established forms 24 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: of entertainment. Why is that? If you go to a 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 1: tiny Indian tribe in the year fifteen hundred in America, 26 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: you will find that they have a form of entertainment 27 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: forms plural of entertainment. Large nations, small tribes, all of 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: them have forms of entertainment. Why is it just to 29 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: take a load off? That's part of it, but another 30 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: part of entertainment. It's actually a critically important part, a 31 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: critically important pillar that holds up your society. It's not 32 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: just people get to take a load off and get 33 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: to enjoy something. People get to come together to enjoy something. 34 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: It's part of the social fabric entertainment when it's when 35 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: it's done right, it holds things together. And and we're 36 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 1: gonna cring. You're gonna cringe and win wins a little 37 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: bit when I say this now, because of the ones 38 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: we have, But it's true. The top entertainers of any 39 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: kind in your society, sports stars, you know, the actors whatever, 40 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: whoever they may be, wrestling stars, the values they push 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 1: and promote, they actually are really important. I grew up. 42 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you. I know it's gonna sound ridiculous. 43 00:02:57,120 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 1: Part of what formed my world on many things America, morality, bravery, 44 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 1: things like that, was watching John Wayne movies with my dad. 45 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: It just was no, I'm the good guy. The good 46 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: guy does what's right. The good guy fights the bad guy. 47 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: If the good guy has to die fighting the bad 48 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,839 Speaker 1: guy to protect the women, that's what he will do. 49 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: Sounds ridiculous, but it's true. We as a society we 50 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: get things. We get guidance right or wrong from our entertainers, 51 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: from our top entertainers, and every society in history has 52 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: understood that. Now on to Haul Cogan and really the 53 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: nineteen eighties in general. You know that I am not 54 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: a back in my day guy where I pretend that 55 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: everything used to be wonderful and now everything is terrible. 56 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: I know that's a very common thing as people get older. 57 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 1: I don't do that. I don't believe that there were 58 00:03:56,160 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: terrible things back then there are wonderful things today. I 59 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: don't do that. So I'm not doing that here, but 60 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. I was born in nineteen eighty one, 61 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: so I was a child obviously who lived all throughout 62 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. I can't properly describe to people today 63 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: who are too young to remember how wonderful it was 64 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: the mood of the country. It was fun and aspiration 65 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 1: when it was wild, and it was so over the 66 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: top and crazy, it was ridiculous in ways. But the music, 67 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: you could hear it in the music. The music matters too, 68 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 1: the music feeling good, feels great America. And it was 69 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: so over the top patriotic that there was a feeling 70 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: even as a small child America, baby America. And I 71 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: know he was a professional wrestler, and I am wrestlings 72 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: fake and all that other stuff. I don't know that 73 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 1: there is somebody who exemplifies everything I just said the 74 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: way Hulk Hogan did back in the day. Even when 75 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,839 Speaker 1: you didn't watch wrestling, everyone knew him. Everyone knew all 76 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: about him. I mean moments like this, I know it's 77 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: fake and it's whatever. Moments like this, they were iconic, 78 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 1: and the whole country watched. 79 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 2: Love Right Now with an Irish weapon too. 80 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: He read a hale thought on. 81 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 2: He can't drop the bicky. Look at hate it. He's 82 00:05:25,120 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: gone out of show. That's the first time I think 83 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 2: the guitar and take it to knocked up the steep 84 00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: like that, look at the look at the price of 85 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 2: a check. Here he's honking up jests. I don't know 86 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 2: if he's got enough lifted him that. I'll try to 87 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 2: get you what does we're saying what this guy is 88 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 2: really made on him? 89 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 3: What he is? 90 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 2: The guy is professional likely than a world today. When 91 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 2: you look at this, I can't believe it. 92 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 4: I don't believe it. 93 00:05:58,880 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 2: Don't talk it up. 94 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: It rest in peace, halkster. It was a wonderful time 95 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: to be around, and maybe, just maybe we can get 96 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: back to those times. So let's honestly not to change 97 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: the subject too fast here, but let's talk about how 98 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: we lost that. Because we did, it's different now. You 99 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: don't see as much of that now. Our entertainers, our 100 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: people are much more likely to crap all over the 101 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: country every chance they get, and spread that all throughout society. 102 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: We suffer from that, and a huge part of that, 103 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: huge part of why we are where we are right now. 104 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: It's Barack Obama and his communist tension that he brought 105 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:57,840 Speaker 1: into the government. Leadership matters, entertainment, leadership, political leadership. It 106 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 1: does matter a lot. These people hate us, have hated us, 107 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: and they wrecked us. Now we're finding out Justice Department 108 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: has announced the formation of a strikeforce. It's kind of 109 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: a cool name. What's the strikeforce going to do? They're 110 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: going to attack this Russian hoax stuff and hopefully come 111 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: up with something. Who are the criminals, what crimes did 112 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: they commit, and what convictions can we get? And this 113 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: is very very important. It's very important, and James Clapper 114 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: seems to be taking it seriously. 115 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:37,560 Speaker 5: And I take seriously when President of the United States 116 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 5: accuses me of being a participant in a treasonous conspiracy, 117 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 5: which is ridiculous. 118 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 6: Yeah, what's your reaction to that? 119 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 5: Traditionous? It just is, it is untrue. 120 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 6: So what will you do if they come after you? 121 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 6: What is your plan? 122 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 5: Well, I'll while lawyer up. I suppose already have you've. 123 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 7: Already hired attorneys in case of anticipation that this Trump 124 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 7: just the storman could try to prosecute. 125 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 5: We've had sort of perpetual attorneys since I left the 126 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 5: government in twenty seventeen. 127 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:16,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a criminal. We've had a country occupied led 128 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: by criminals inside of the federal government. They got inside 129 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: the federal government and they committed criminal acts. And now 130 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: is our chance. I cannot stress this point enough. This 131 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: is our chance to possibly turn this country around. I 132 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 1: believe that we are at an inflection point in this 133 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: country with this Russia hoax thing right here. And it's 134 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: for this reason. If you can take over the CIA, 135 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: FBI and you can use that to smash Republicans and 136 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: protect Democrats, and you can do that without consequence. You know, 137 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 1: if the James Clappers of the world don't burn for this, 138 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,240 Speaker 1: then you know we're going to get another Democrat president 139 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: at some point. Pray to God, it's not soon, but 140 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 1: you're not naive. At some point, we're going to get 141 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: another one. When we get another one, they're also going 142 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: to fill up the government with communists. And if those 143 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: communists don't see that someone burnt the last time they 144 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 1: did this, then they will do worse the next time. 145 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: It's not that they'll do the same thing, they will 146 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: do worse what Barack Obama did and then Joe Biden 147 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: after him. It's just the taste of what these people 148 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: truly want to do. Remember, these people share the exact 149 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: same worldview of Joseph Stalin. You can believe that or not, 150 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,080 Speaker 1: but it's true. They share the exact same worldview and 151 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,439 Speaker 1: they would do all the exact same things. What they'd 152 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: really like is just to send the FBI to your 153 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: door for being a registered Republican, throw handcuffs on you, 154 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: and chuck you in a cage or worse. That's really 155 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: what they'd like. They have limits on what they can 156 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: do in this country, but that's really what they truly 157 00:09:55,640 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: want to do. This is a very very, very big deal. Also, 158 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a very big deal, but 159 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: the fact that here with the Clinton was probably on 160 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: tranquilizers was hilarious. 161 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 8: There were high level DNC emails that detailed evidence of 162 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 8: Hillary's quote, psycho emotional problems, uncontrolled fits of anger, aggression, 163 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 8: and cheerfulness, and that then Secretary Clinton was allegedly on 164 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 8: a daily regiment of heavy tranquilizers. 165 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: I guess that explains why they had to chuck her 166 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: in the back of a van. Anyway, before we get 167 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: to anything else, we have to make fun of the media, 168 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: talk about why they're going crazy. Trying to protect Stephen Colbert. 169 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,320 Speaker 1: I want to get Megan Kelly's take on the Russian hoa, 170 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: so let's bring her in. The great Megan Kelly, you 171 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: know what's weird to me is the reaction to Stephen 172 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: Colbert getting canceled. And you know what, Megan, I was 173 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: going to play this montage of everyone in the media 174 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:55,719 Speaker 1: freaking out about it, but I'm not even going to 175 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,199 Speaker 1: bother because I know you've seen it. Everyone's seen it. 176 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: It's a late night show. Can you explain why they're 177 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 1: warning the guy as if he's dying from cancer? What 178 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: did I miss here? 179 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 6: I know, I know. 180 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 9: It is the most absurd overreaction. It's television. You'll survive, 181 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 9: You'll be fine. But it really does just prove the 182 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 9: real reason he was there, which was not to entertain 183 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,319 Speaker 9: or to amuse, but to try to take down Trump. 184 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 9: Just be a Republican antagonist. That's what he became, That's 185 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 9: what his relevance was. And in the end, they're fearful 186 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 9: that that's why he's getting fired. That's actually not exactly 187 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 9: why he's getting fired. That's why he failed because he 188 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 9: wasn't adhering to the core mission. No one wanted to 189 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 9: watch his attempt to be Adam Schiff every night in 190 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 9: the late night slot, and it didn't. 191 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 6: Work out as a commercial matter. 192 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,719 Speaker 9: And so now their hero, you know, their chief antagonist 193 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 9: of the left, is getting a smaller platform, like I 194 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,960 Speaker 9: guess a podcast or something else, and that's just not 195 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 9: okay with them. They're used to dominating cultural institutions and 196 00:11:58,240 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 9: seeing everyone roll. 197 00:11:59,559 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 6: Over with it. 198 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:06,359 Speaker 1: Megan, you are obviously a seasoned veteran of this industry. 199 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: You've been at all the major players, you know, all 200 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: the behind the scenes stuff. So can you help me 201 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: understand how that can happen? When I say that, how 202 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: can you allow your late night comedy show everyone remembers 203 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: Leno and Letterman Carson before him. How can you let 204 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: that comedy show turn into just a partisan show? If 205 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: for no other reason, that's bad business. Right, half the 206 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: country hate your guts, that's bad business. Even Michael Jordan 207 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: said Republicans buy shoes too. What happened? 208 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 9: It was too ideologically important to them to try to 209 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 9: kill Trump, you know, rhetorically, when he won in sixteen, 210 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 9: no one thought he could do it. They were still 211 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 9: so shell shocked they thought, oh my god, this must 212 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 9: be a racist, misogynistic, xenophobic country. 213 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 6: Were not who we thought we were. 214 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 9: And so that's when truly, like the TVs ors, the 215 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 9: chief tds ors, and Stephen Colbert right at there at 216 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 9: the top of the list, started really turning and leaning 217 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 9: hard into more politics as their shows. 218 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 6: And I mean I've been on Colbert. 219 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 9: I've been on all these late night shows, literally every 220 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 9: single one of them. 221 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 6: And even in the. 222 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:16,880 Speaker 9: Initial couple of years of Trump, Colbert was doing more politics, 223 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 9: but he wasn't full politics. He would still start the 224 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 9: show every night with a celebrity, like an A list 225 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 9: celebrity or two, and then he'd throw in like a 226 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 9: newsperson like me or a politics person maybe last. But 227 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 9: the morph happened over the Trump presidency and then thereafter 228 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 9: whence Trump ran to you know, to get the presidency again, 229 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 9: where he just devoted himself entirely to trying to defeat him, 230 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,239 Speaker 9: and the network brass was completely on the same page. 231 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 9: They're as left as he is, Jesse. They're not further 232 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 9: to the right judging him. They're like, go, ghost even go. 233 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 1: But even understanding that obviously this is a big boy network, CBS, 234 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: you're gonna have share you're gonna have even if you 235 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: were the most left wing, filthy maoist comedy in the 236 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: world in your CEO of CBS. The bottom line still 237 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: determines your bonus, right m. 238 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 6: Hm, Yes, But they didn't care. 239 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 9: I mean it was for a while there they could 240 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 9: just bull themselves that it was, you know, just temporary 241 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 9: and it was important. And then by the time it 242 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 9: had settled into like the new reality, they were all 243 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 9: doing it. Even Jimmy Fallon got way more political after 244 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 9: Trump became president than he ever had been before. 245 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 6: And Kimmel. 246 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 9: Kimmel used to just be fun and funny. That's how 247 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:37,040 Speaker 9: he and Adam Carolla got to be great friends. And 248 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:39,200 Speaker 9: then he turned her Like they were all doing it. 249 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 9: It was like they were on a late seth Myers too, 250 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 9: a late night mission John Oliver to bring Trump down. 251 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 9: So by that point, were they really going to have 252 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 9: the only guy who'd been the worst of all of 253 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 9: them suddenly just go back to telling jokes. 254 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 6: It was too late. 255 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 9: They'd already alienated half the country. It's the same thing 256 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 9: with CNN when it decided. 257 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 6: A couple of years ago. 258 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 9: I was trying to be fair and balanced again. Yeah, 259 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 9: look how that worked out. It's too late. You already 260 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 9: kissed half your audience. 261 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 6: Goodbye. They're not coming back. 262 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: Wow, it's wild how suicidal these people are. Okay, let's 263 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: change the subject, because I'm dying to get your your 264 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: honest take on the Russia hoag stuff. I say honest, 265 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: not that that's difficult for you, but I don't want 266 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: to blow smoke. I haven't been blowing smoke, you know. 267 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: I believe Barack Obama should go to prison for the 268 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: rest of his life for this. I'm also not naive, 269 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 1: and I don't think that's going to happen. But can 270 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: somebody big burn for this, Megan, because somebody really needs 271 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: to burn for this, whoever that may be. Is that 272 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: possible or is that just ridiculous wishful thinking? 273 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 9: No, I've been loving your clips on this, by the way, 274 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 9: It's like it makes me feel better when I watch 275 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 9: the Jesse Kelly clips on this story. 276 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 6: I don't know. I wouldn't bet on it. There is 277 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 6: a huge scandal here. 278 00:15:52,840 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 9: It is a very real scandal, and it's actually truly shocking. 279 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 9: Whether they're going to be able to get somebody convicted 280 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 9: criminally is a different qu question. Not everything that's horrible 281 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 9: is a crime or within the statute of limitations. And 282 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 9: in President Obama's case, thanks to Trump's case, he will 283 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 9: be recognized as having immunity for virtually all of his 284 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 9: official acts, so that will likely save him. But I 285 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 9: don't know the full extent of what they've got, you know, 286 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 9: Tulsey's revealing everything, drip, drip, drip, and I don't know 287 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 9: whether I mean, I can say that the Obama immunity 288 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 9: is not going to help John Brennan or James Comey, 289 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 9: who might be helped by the statutes of limitations on 290 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,600 Speaker 9: the potential crimes that they may have committed, including possibly perjury. 291 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 6: I was just looking at it. 292 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 9: The perjury statute of limitations federally is five years, but 293 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 9: you can get it told, meaning extended. It won't start 294 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 9: to run until later. If, for example, you can show 295 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 9: the person who perjured themselves was then responsible for covering 296 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 9: up the truth such that it was not discovered until 297 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 9: much later. And look, with this document that just came out, 298 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 9: this House report that was put in a vault in 299 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 9: Langley for the last nine years or however long it's been, 300 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 9: no five years, since twenty twenty, you could make a 301 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 9: clever argument. But I think it would require clever arguments. 302 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 9: It wouldn't be a straight cut route from they did 303 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 9: dastardly deeds to they're now getting criminally charged, never mind convicted. 304 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: Okay, well, Megan, your legal chops obviously far exceed mine, 305 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 1: because I'm a moron. Does Pam Bondy have those chops? 306 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,400 Speaker 1: Is this something she's going to be able to do? 307 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:31,359 Speaker 1: You know as well as I do. The type of 308 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: lawyers Clapper and Brennan and Comb, you know, the type 309 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: of lawyers they're going to get. These are not going 310 00:17:37,240 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: to be spring chickens, and they're not going to be idiots. 311 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: They're going to be very capable people. Do we have 312 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 1: the guns on our side to make this happen? 313 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 6: I don't know that. 314 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 9: I mean Pam Bondi wouldn't be doing it herself. She 315 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 9: would have some deputy over there do it, and eventually 316 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 9: it would get argued and appealed and go up on 317 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:56,880 Speaker 9: appeal to the US Supreme Court. 318 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 6: And we've got a great solicitor general. That guy's asked. 319 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 9: He's got a very winning record in front of the 320 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 9: Supreme Court. 321 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:04,040 Speaker 6: But it depends. 322 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 9: I'm just I feel like I'm firing a gun right 323 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 9: now with no bullets in it because I don't really 324 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:11,880 Speaker 9: know what. They haven't even mentioned what the potential crimes 325 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:15,680 Speaker 9: could be. All we really know is that they've referred 326 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 9: John Brennan, the head of the CIA under Obama and 327 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 9: James call Me, the head of FBI under Obama, and 328 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 9: then Trump, to the DOJ for possible prosecution. They've said 329 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 9: almost nothing about the Comy charges, and the Brennan charges 330 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 9: seem to be related to allegedly fallse statements he made 331 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 9: about the Steel dossier, what role it played in the 332 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 9: intelligence assessment which has been completely blown up this week 333 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 9: thanks to Tulsi as just a big pack of lies, 334 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 9: and what he knew about it. Beyond those two, what 335 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 9: we're seeing now for the first time is that Barack 336 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 9: Obama orchestrated it all, that he was the one who 337 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,359 Speaker 9: took an intelligence community that was about to respond the 338 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 9: Russia interference really wasn't that bad. It was kind of 339 00:18:56,359 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 9: milk toast and changed it at his direction to oh 340 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:01,959 Speaker 9: it was, it's huge, and it was all done to 341 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 9: help Trump. And today or yesterday, we learned that the 342 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 9: only justification they had for that latter conclusion was the 343 00:19:09,600 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 9: discredited Steele dossier, which they knew was but proceeded with anyway, 344 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 9: and three other sources, which, if it's possible, were even 345 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 9: less supported than the Steele dossier. And the latest document 346 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 9: dump shows that one multiple CIA agents went to John 347 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 9: Brennan to say. 348 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 6: You can't put that in there. 349 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 9: You cannot say that putin interfered to help Trump. We 350 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 9: don't have that, and you cannot rely on the Steel dossier. 351 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 9: That thing's totally not credible. And Brennan looked at him 352 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 9: and said one of them and said, but it has 353 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 9: the whiff of truth, doesn't it. 354 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 6: It seems like it could be true. 355 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 9: That's that's how the whole country spent years with Russia Gate. 356 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 6: Jesse, I mean the whiff of truth. 357 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: What an ugly place to be, Okay, speaking of an 358 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: ugly place to be before we let you go the 359 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:07,879 Speaker 1: Epstein stuff. It's not surprising to me. I told everybody 360 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,040 Speaker 1: as soon as Trump started telling everyone to shut up 361 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,679 Speaker 1: and move on and shut up and move on and 362 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: stop talking about this shoe idiot, I knew that he 363 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 1: was in there somewhere. They have a mess on their hands. 364 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: They over promised, they under delivered and now a portion, 365 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: whatever size it is, of his base. And frankly, people 366 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: who aren't in his base, they want the goods, goods 367 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: that may not even exist. How do they navigate these 368 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: rough waters from here? 369 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 9: I know, I wish Trump had just released whatever documents 370 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 9: he could right at the beginning. 371 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 6: We don't. The Epstein scandal is not about Trump. 372 00:20:44,400 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 9: It is about a man who was a disgusting, perverted, 373 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 9: criminal predator who, along with his top emissary, Glene Maxwell, 374 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 9: recruited young girls fourteen and possibly younger, were awaiting more 375 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 9: details to come to his townhouse and to perform sex 376 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 9: acts on him. That's what the scandal's about. And the 377 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,600 Speaker 9: question is was it beyond Jeffrey Epstein? 378 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 6: Who is it with? 379 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 9: If there were other powerful, powerful men he provided this 380 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 9: service to, who were they and how young like? Those 381 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 9: are very relevant questions. That's what we want to know. 382 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 9: But the left has decided that it's all about Trump. 383 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 9: Trump gave them a window by being so cagey about 384 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 9: releasing the documents, and now the Wall Street Journal, you 385 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 9: know he's doing a drip or a drip of Here's 386 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 9: Trump's saucy letter to Epstein on his birthday. Trump denies 387 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 9: it's him, and it's very weird, but it sounds like 388 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:40,560 Speaker 9: something like an aid would have written, and with oh, 389 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 9: he's in the Epstein files, with which Elon Musk already 390 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,199 Speaker 9: told us. I mean, everybody knows that the two men 391 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 9: had a friendship for fifteen years. 392 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 6: What does in the Epstein files mean? 393 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 9: Is he in there as having had a sexual interlude 394 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 9: with an underage girl? You don't think Joe Biden's DJ 395 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 9: would have released that, Joe Biden's FBI. 396 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 6: Or Jim Comey point. There's no way. 397 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 9: He's in there in any meaningful way. I just don't 398 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 9: believe it. But I can't say the same about rich 399 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 9: donors connected friends of his and possibly of those on 400 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 9: the left. Dad, I'd really like to see, and I 401 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 9: don't think we will. 402 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: The great Megan Kelly. Everybody go catch her show, subscribe 403 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: to her YouTube. It's awesome. By the way, Megan, I 404 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: love you. You're the best. All right. Miranda Devine is 405 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: going to join us next. We're going to comb through 406 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: what she knows about this. She's such a great reporter, 407 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: she has great sources. Let's figure out the who's who 408 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: and what's what. Let's all get smarter. Before we do that, 409 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: let me tell you the smartest thing you can do 410 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,399 Speaker 1: right now is to pick up your cell phone and 411 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: decide you're gonna stop supporting Verizon, You're gonna stop supporting 412 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 1: AT and T, You're gonna stop supporting T Mobile. Do 413 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: not forget, and do not forgive the fact that these 414 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: companies take your money, have taken your money, and they 415 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: use it for the most disgusting communist causes this country. 416 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: But there's a better way. My cell phone company, Pure Talk. 417 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 1: They's CEO walk the jungles of Vietnam two tours. When 418 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 1: they hire people, they hire Americans. When you get a 419 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: hold of somebody at pure Talk, they'll speak English. It's 420 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: wild and they're nice. It's a pleasure doing business with them. 421 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: And I pay way less. You want a new phone, 422 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: you want to keep your phone, go to pure talk 423 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: dot com, slash Jesse TV. We'll be back. 424 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 4: Se Gabbert is simply an opportunist in this play. 425 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 1: Right. 426 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:04,679 Speaker 4: Her star is falling. Her analysis was thrown out the 427 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 4: window on Iran. She embarrassed herself with that that somewhat 428 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 4: bizarre video about nuclear weapons in Japan, and so she's 429 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 4: using this as an opportunity to get herself back into 430 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 4: favor with the White House. 431 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: That's my personal assessment. 432 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 4: But you know, this is uh, this seems to be 433 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 4: kind of the state of the union, what we're in 434 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 4: right now. 435 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: Well, that's very interesting, not for what I just heard, 436 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: but for what I didn't. Here joining me now the 437 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: great Miranda Divine, host of the pod Force one podcast 438 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: and of course fantastic columnists with an Australian accent. Miranda, 439 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: I didn't hear a denial. I heard some personal smears, 440 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 1: but I didn't hear a denial. Did you hear denial? 441 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 10: No? 442 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 3: I didn't. And I think that these Russia hoaxes are 443 00:24:56,119 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 3: actually quite being quite careful now. James Clapper is just 444 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 3: admitted that he's lawyered up. I heard that John Brennan 445 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 3: was looking to go and live in Ireland. I don't 446 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 3: know if that's true, but I've got a tip from somebody. 447 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 3: So I think that they are worried because they've you know, 448 00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 3: it's a very different beast to be in the crosshairs 449 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 3: of federal prosecutors compared to congressional investigators. I think a 450 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: lot of conservatives are pretty cynical now. They think that 451 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 3: nothing will ever happen to these people. It's been a 452 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 3: long time. I mean they started this hoaxing in twenty sixteen, 453 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 3: maybe even before, and I guess you know, people have 454 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 3: given up. It's almost a decade. But I think that 455 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 3: there's enough evidence now. And Telsey Gabbat has been incredible 456 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 3: the way they used AI to scour the archives and 457 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,680 Speaker 3: put together this quite damning dossier of information, or actually 458 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: several of them. Now we've got the CIA. John Ratcliffe 459 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 3: has done a great job. He kicked it off, and 460 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: now Telsey Gabbett has come in with a couple more tranches. 461 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 3: So it's all what we knew happened, but we really 462 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 3: couldn't prove it, at least not enough in a court 463 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 3: of law. But it looks like she's piecing together a 464 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 3: pretty good case for the prosecution. 465 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: Miranda, Can you dive for a couple of minutes into 466 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: the role of DNI. You know, Brannan is understood CIA director, 467 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 1: call me, he's understood FBI director. But just the very 468 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: role of DNI itself has a lot of people confused. 469 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: What do they actually do? Because Clapper from my sources 470 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: tell me, if someone's going to burn they could easily 471 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 1: be Clapper for all this. What is the DNI What 472 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: they do to Trump? 473 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: So the dn I is the Director of National Intelligence, 474 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,920 Speaker 3: and it's kind of a nothing job and an every 475 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 3: thing job. Supposed to be coordinating all the now eighteen 476 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,960 Speaker 3: intelligence agencies. Back then when the Russia hoax was launched, 477 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 3: there were seventeen and it's basically to make sure that 478 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 3: there aren't any sort of gaps where information gets lost 479 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 3: between the agencies like happened in before nine to eleven. 480 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 3: So it's more of a coordinating role. You can do 481 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 3: nothing or you can use that immense power because you 482 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,600 Speaker 3: sit on top of all those agencies effectively, you know, 483 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,239 Speaker 3: the CIA, the FBI, the rest of them, DSA, they 484 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 3: all have to at least answer to you somewhat. So 485 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 3: she has the ability to ask for information to go, 486 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 3: you know, demand information from all these agency heads and 487 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 3: dig into their archives and call on their expertise. And 488 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 3: that's what she does. She's also doing a few other things. 489 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,680 Speaker 3: She's i think taking a little bit of the power 490 00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,679 Speaker 3: away from the CIA. Certainly when it comes to the 491 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: Presidential Daily Brief, it's a job that she's changing the 492 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:14,760 Speaker 3: job description on the go as she sees fit, and 493 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 3: she's been given a lot of authority by the President 494 00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 3: to do that. She's definitely in his trust circle. And 495 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: I think she gets on very well, certainly with John 496 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: Ratcliffe anyway, because they've been working hand in glove. 497 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: Ratcliffe's not on Fox News every other minute, so we 498 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: don't talk about him enough, but he's been doing a 499 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: pretty dag one good job with the CIA, hasn't he. 500 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,560 Speaker 3: Yes, And you really wouldn't expect him to talk much 501 00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 3: as you know, the head of the CIA, you would 502 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 3: expect that to be a kind of a voiceless role, 503 00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: just acting quietly in the shadows. But he's obviously made 504 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,400 Speaker 3: it his goal very early on to go and do 505 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,959 Speaker 3: a review of that pivotal intelligence community assessment that Telsey 506 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:12,840 Speaker 3: Gabbett has just now told us that was fake, ordered 507 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 3: by Obama overrode the actual intelligence community a view that 508 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 3: Russia had not intervened in the twenty sixteen election to 509 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 3: favor Donald Trump. That was a lie, but that's what 510 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: Obama wanted Clapper and Comy and particularly Brennan, who drove 511 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,600 Speaker 3: this fake intelligence assessment. 512 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 10: To do. 513 00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 3: And so what John Ratcliffe showed us a couple of 514 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 3: weeks ago was he had his the professionals, the career professionals, 515 00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: without fear or favor, to go through their archives, their assets, 516 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 3: intelligence assets, and dig into how that Pivotal Ica from 517 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: January twenty seventeen that said that Russia was into in 518 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 3: the election on Trump's behalf, and that also included in 519 00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: it the totally bogus Steele dossier to find out how 520 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 3: that happened. And what John Ratcliffe's career professionals found was 521 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 3: that John Brennan drove it, that he hand picked the analysts, 522 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 3: and when a few of those analysts actually pushed back 523 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: on him and said, look, this Steele dossier, we cannot 524 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 3: include it because it's such a joke. It's so ridiculous, 525 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 3: it's totally made up, it's not verified, its facycle on 526 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 3: its face. If we include it, that will discredit the 527 00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: entire assessment. He insisted John Brennan that it be included, 528 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: and so previously we were told that it was just 529 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: included as an annex, but no, it was included in 530 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 3: the actual body of the report. So it really colored 531 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: and discredited that report. And there were several other very 532 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 3: suspect things about that assessment, including the fact it was 533 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 3: rushed through. Why was it rushed through? Why did Barack 534 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 3: Obama insist that it be finished before the transition, before 535 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 3: Donald Trump came into office on January twenty of twenty seventeen. 536 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,680 Speaker 3: Well because they wanted to have an assessment that said 537 00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 3: what they wanted it to say, not the truth that 538 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:26,959 Speaker 3: they immediately leaked before it was even finished, to know 539 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 3: their pet media mouthpieces in Washington Post, NBC, New York Times, etc. 540 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 3: And that set the stage for Donald Trump to enter 541 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 3: office as a marked man, as somebody seen as illegitimate, 542 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: as having been voted into office only because Vladimir Putin 543 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 3: tilted the scales in his favor. That really sabotaged his presidency. 544 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 3: And as Chelsey Gabbett called it yesterday, it was a 545 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 3: year's long coup by Barack Obama against his successor. 546 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: Gosh, what an ugly, freaking tangled web we've all right, Miranda, 547 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: I cannot let you go before asking about New York, 548 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: a city I dearly love. I believe it's a city 549 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: you call home. And to say I'm a little bit 550 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: afraid of the upcoming election will be to put it 551 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 1: quite mildly. Is this young Kami freak gonna win. 552 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, all the smart money is on his 553 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 3: winning because I mean, look, every single New York mayoral 554 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 3: election since I've been here has been won by the 555 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: narrowest of margins, like turnouts of you know, ten to 556 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 3: fifteen percent. So New Yorkers are just, I don't know, apathetic. 557 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,760 Speaker 3: I don't know why we watch the city fall down 558 00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 3: around us from the time of Deblasio, after the great 559 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 3: reigns of Giuliani and Bloom, I think everyone just rested 560 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 3: on their laurels and thought that this was the safest 561 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 3: big city and everything would run itself. But Deblasio showed 562 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 3: us in his two terms what a disaster he could be. 563 00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 3: And then Eric Adams has been an improvement, but that's 564 00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: from a very low base. He's no Juliani, so but anyway, look, 565 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 3: he's a hell of a lot better than MANDANEI would be. 566 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,840 Speaker 3: But he's very unpopular. I think that the what I 567 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 3: think was a stitched up lawfare against him by the 568 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 3: Biden administration has really damaged him. Plus the fact he 569 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 3: hasn't achieved all that much, plus the fact that New 570 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 3: York's a sanctuary city and these illegal aliens just infest 571 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 3: the place and sucking the Taxtra pair. Dry still ensconced 572 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:52,120 Speaker 3: in these four star hotels around Midtown, and he seems 573 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 3: powerless to do much about it. So that's a problem. 574 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 3: And then you have Mamdani disaster, but you also have 575 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 3: who's splitting the independent vote with Adams. And then you 576 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 3: have Curtis Sleiewa who's run before for the Republicans, doesn't 577 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 3: really seem to be mounting. 578 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:12,240 Speaker 1: Look the poles. 579 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,799 Speaker 6: To be fair, I don't want to be unfair to him. 580 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 3: The Poles show him climbing, and he is working hard. 581 00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 3: I'm just not sure if he is in a bit 582 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: of a stale offering, but I'm going to give him 583 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 3: the benefit of the doubt. But still with the three 584 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 3: of them as the non Mandani vote splitting what little 585 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 3: vote there is, that bother's turning out, it just looks 586 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 3: like Mandani Will Mendamia can pronounce his name properly, it 587 00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,520 Speaker 3: will just swoop in and be the accidental mayor yet again, 588 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 3: like Deblasio. 589 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: Oh God, have mercy, Miranda, thank you. I appreciate it. 590 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: All right, Joe Allen's going to join us and talk 591 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: about all the AI stuff that is growing and growing 592 00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: and growing. Apparently he wrote a prophetic book about the 593 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 1: whole thing. 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We'll be back. 610 00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:23,880 Speaker 11: America is the country that started the AI race, and 611 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,600 Speaker 11: as President of the United States, I'm here today to 612 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 11: declare that America is going to win it. The reason 613 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,800 Speaker 11: the last administration was so eager to regulate and restrict 614 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 11: AI was so they could limit this technology to just 615 00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 11: a few large companies, allowing them to centralize it, censor it, 616 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 11: control it, weaponize it. This is the exact opposite of 617 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:51,319 Speaker 11: my approach. The American people do not want woke Marxist 618 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,040 Speaker 11: lunacy in the AI models, and neither do other countries. 619 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 11: From now on, the US government will deal only with 620 00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,120 Speaker 11: AI that pursues truth, fairness, and strict impartiality. We're not 621 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 11: going to go through the craziness that we've gone through 622 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,400 Speaker 11: for the last four years. 623 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: Sure sounds good. We have to ask Joe about it, 624 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: because I don't know what the heck he's talking about. 625 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,480 Speaker 1: Joining me now, Joe Allen, author of the wonderful book 626 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:24,359 Speaker 1: prophetic Book Dark Eon. Okay, Joe, First of all, what 627 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: did the Biden administration do or try to do? What 628 00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: did Trump undo? Explain this to me like I'm five. 629 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 10: Well, Jesse and Biden administration, you had to push very 630 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 10: similar to what you would see say out of Davos, 631 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:45,680 Speaker 10: the World Economic Forum, or maybe more un affiliated organizations. 632 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 10: They sought basically to harness the power of AI, but 633 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 10: also to steer it in a very liberal direction. And 634 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 10: the most powerful models were being produced and are still 635 00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 10: being produce used by Google, by Open AI, by Anthropic 636 00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 10: and all of those companies, like most companies in Silicon Valley, 637 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 10: have very much a kind of left leaning tendency, and 638 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 10: so the AIS ended up being you know, quote unquote 639 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:22,440 Speaker 10: woke that you remember the cartoonish outputs from Google's Gemini 640 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,959 Speaker 10: where people were asking for the founding fathers or people 641 00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 10: were asking for vikings. Then it would bring like this 642 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 10: racially diverse cast. It was just like a cartoon that 643 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:36,799 Speaker 10: was mentioned in the executive orders signed as Trump announced 644 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,239 Speaker 10: the AI action plan from the White House. But that 645 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,480 Speaker 10: is what he's talking about when he's talking about combating 646 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 10: woke AI. And also worth mentioning that collusion between the 647 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 10: Biden administration or that deal that seemed to be inevitable, 648 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 10: should Harris have gotten in between the big companies like Microsoft, 649 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 10: like Google and open A, I think that that would 650 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,719 Speaker 10: have been the outcome. So what's happening under the Trump administration, 651 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 10: for better or worse, I am not personally optimistic, is 652 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,320 Speaker 10: that he's extended the kind of privileges of government endorsement 653 00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 10: and contracts more towards startups and companies like Pallenteer founded 654 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 10: by Peter Thiel now run by Alex Karp, or like 655 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 10: the suite of AI companies that Mark and Dreesen's investment 656 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,960 Speaker 10: house in drees and Horowitz are promoting. 657 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 1: Okay, why aren't you optimistic? 658 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,759 Speaker 10: It just depends on what kind of life you want 659 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,799 Speaker 10: to live. Do you want to live a life that 660 00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 10: it's dominated by devices? Do you want to live a 661 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,040 Speaker 10: life in which a significant proportion or maybe even the 662 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,560 Speaker 10: majority of your population looks to artificial intelligence for what 663 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,400 Speaker 10: is and isn't real and you know going out for there? 664 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,040 Speaker 10: Do you want to move into a future like Elon 665 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:08,080 Speaker 10: Musk is envisioning, or like most of the guys at 666 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 10: these frontier AI labs are talking about, in which humans 667 00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 10: basically merge with the machines in various ways, whether it 668 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 10: be prosthetics and brain interfaces, or whether it be something 669 00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 10: like wearable biometric devices and exoskeletons. In any case, the 670 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 10: sci fi future, I oftentimes say, there's no real conspiracy 671 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 10: other than the broad conspiracy to make science fiction real life, 672 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:37,880 Speaker 10: and it's not a world I want to live in. 673 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: Okay, can you tell me. You know you see these 674 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 1: Internet rumors about AI turning on people, potentially turning on 675 00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: people doing things to protect itself. Is that Internet stupid 676 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: rumor fodder or are we actually seeing this? And I asked, 677 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 1: because I know the military is starting to implement this stuff. 678 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,440 Speaker 10: Yes, it is happening. Most of those stories. For instance, 679 00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 10: the widely publicized story that came out of an anthropic 680 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 10: lab about an engineer who was blackmailed with evidence that 681 00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 10: he had a mistress. Right, he was going to shut 682 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:23,800 Speaker 10: the machine down and the machine threatened to blackmail him. 683 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:30,320 Speaker 10: That did occur, but it was it occurred in Anthropics 684 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,400 Speaker 10: internal labs, so they were testing it and it started 685 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 10: doing that. It also started doing all these other things 686 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,600 Speaker 10: that were very strange and unusual. It began, I think, 687 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:44,320 Speaker 10: speaking in Sanskrit and talking about universal bliss and cosmic 688 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,160 Speaker 10: consciousness something to that effect. And so, but these things 689 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,480 Speaker 10: are happening, And the point of all of these tests, 690 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,399 Speaker 10: and the lesson to be learned is that by their 691 00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,359 Speaker 10: very nature, AI systems make their own decisions. They they 692 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,200 Speaker 10: are kind of de facto out of control. You can 693 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:06,240 Speaker 10: put guardrails on them, you can train them in ways 694 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 10: that keep them more under control. But if an AI 695 00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,400 Speaker 10: system is worth its salt, it's going to have a 696 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,719 Speaker 10: degree of freedom, is going to have independence. And so 697 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 10: that's how you end up in these sorts of situations. 698 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 10: And the fear is that if you unleash a super 699 00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:24,200 Speaker 10: powerful AI, it will make all sorts of decisions, many 700 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:31,080 Speaker 10: of which don't have human interests as the core agenda. 701 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: Can't you make sure it does well? 702 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,239 Speaker 10: This is one of those things we're gonna have to 703 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,759 Speaker 10: find out. So a big part of the AI Action 704 00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 10: Plan that was unveiled yesterday, the third pillar, is about 705 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,319 Speaker 10: the US leading and diplomacy and security on AI. And 706 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 10: rather than starting at the fountain head right, rather than 707 00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 10: going upstream and regulating things that you know, saying no, 708 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 10: we will not create these systems that are of such 709 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 10: power and capable building, No, you cannot deploy these systems 710 00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 10: on students and in corporations and infuse them into the 711 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,239 Speaker 10: government and all these things. Instead of saying no, basically 712 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,520 Speaker 10: the the Trump administration is saying, yes, we are going 713 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 10: to facilitate and do all of those things, and then 714 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 10: if problems emerge, we will begin to put more regulatory 715 00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 10: measures in place, so they are planning on keeping it 716 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 10: under control, but they're going to play with it first. 717 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,840 Speaker 1: Joe, don't read his book Dark Eon. It's freaking eerie, 718 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: but it is. It's true. It's a great book. Joe, 719 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:41,880 Speaker 1: thank you, brother. I appreciate you as always. I feel 720 00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: old every time we talk about this AI stuff. It 721 00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: makes me feel old anyway. At least I have fresh 722 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,239 Speaker 1: olive oil. I mean, that's something. It's not going to 723 00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: protect me from AI, but it is delicious. Thanks to 724 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,000 Speaker 1: farm Fresh two four six, I have fresh olive oil 725 00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: all the time. You're all of oil is old garbage, 726 00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,640 Speaker 1: and it's not your fault. It's because you buy it 727 00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:05,319 Speaker 1: at the grocery store like I always did. Nice walk 728 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,000 Speaker 1: down the aisle and grab a bottle of olive oil. Oh, 729 00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,120 Speaker 1: this looks like it's from Italy. We all do the 730 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: same thing, but it's all old, months years old. You 731 00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: don't even know how bad it is until you try 732 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: one bottle from farm Fresh two four six dot com. 733 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,440 Speaker 1: They will send you for free a thirty nine dollars bottle, 734 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 1: so you don't have to take my word for it, 735 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,960 Speaker 1: go try it. You have to pay like a dollar 736 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: for the shipping or something like that. Farm Fresh two 737 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 1: four six dot com. Lighten the mood next, all right, 738 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 1: let's lighten the mood. And now that we just went 739 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: over dark scary AI, I thought we should do a 740 00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: little throwback video. This is from the year nineteen ninety four. 741 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: Listen to how people were talking about technology. 742 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:02,960 Speaker 6: What is Internet? 743 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,920 Speaker 1: Anyway? 744 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:09,240 Speaker 7: Internet is that massive computer network, the one that's becoming 745 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:09,920 Speaker 7: really big. 746 00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 6: Now, what do you mean that's big? 747 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:12,120 Speaker 9: Wait? 748 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:12,560 Speaker 2: How does one? 749 00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: What do you write to it? Like mail? 750 00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:16,640 Speaker 6: No, a lot of people use it and communicate. I 751 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 6: guess they can communicate with NBC writers and producers. Alison, 752 00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:21,400 Speaker 6: can you explain what Internet is? 753 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: No, she can't say anything. 754 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,400 Speaker 7: In ten seconds or left, Alison will be in the 755 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,200 Speaker 7: studio shortly. 756 00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,000 Speaker 6: What does it mean? 757 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,799 Speaker 12: It's a giant computer network made up made up of started. 758 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,400 Speaker 6: From Oh, I thought you're gonna tell us what this 759 00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,160 Speaker 6: was billboards. 760 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,120 Speaker 12: It's not, it's it's it's a computer billboard. But it's one. 761 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,520 Speaker 12: It's it's several universities. 762 00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,680 Speaker 9: And everything all join together and others can access it, 763 00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 9: and it's getting came in. 764 00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 6: Really handy during the quake. 765 00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,359 Speaker 7: A lot of people That's how they were communicating out 766 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 7: to tell family and loved ones they were okay because 767 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 7: all the phone lines were down. I was telling Katie, 768 00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 7: but you don't need you don't need that. 769 00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 6: You don't need a phone line to operate. 770 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 10: No. 771 00:45:56,719 --> 00:46:04,480 Speaker 1: No, sounds like me talking about AI. Anyway, I see 772 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:04,680 Speaker 1: them