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Speaker 1: New Sunrise. Britney Spears's father Jamie is back in the headlines,

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Speaker 1: this time suggesting the pop superstar has dementia. The claims

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Speaker 1: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what's happening. Doctor Jen Mann, therapist, host of Couples Therapy,

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Speaker 1: a minor consideration helping child stars, Doctor Jenn, I don't

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Speaker 1: know if you have enough time to be with us today,

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Speaker 1: so we'll make it breathe. Mike Kurman, private investigator at

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Speaker 1: contract court investigator focusing on catch this, guardianships, parental right

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Speaker 1: termination and conservatorships. That's all he does. That's how he

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Speaker 1: this claim online dot com investigative reporter Alexis terres Chuck.

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Speaker 1: But first to our legal expert Jeffrey H. Skateoff joining us.

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Speaker 1: He's a managing partner at Clark skate Off, Hea and

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Speaker 1: to Crime online dot Com investigative reporter Alexis Terrest. You

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Speaker 1: Alexis is great to have you with us. As always,

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Speaker 1: Now I do agree. She had a psychotic break when

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Speaker 1: much of him in Britney's life until this conservatorship happened.

425
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: And you know, people a lot of the times they

426
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: are asking me, why was Jamie chosen over Lynn Britney's mother.

427
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: Britney's mother, as far as we know, didn't apply to

428
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,640
Speaker 1: be a conservator, so, um, Jamie was chosen. We also

429
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,399
Speaker 1: know that there were other people involved with this, so

430
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: it's not her father by himself. There you know, there's lawyers,

431
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: there's business managers, there's other people. So it's really unclear

432
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: how how he became the person, you know, the face

433
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: of this interesting to Alexis Dreschuk speaking of Britney Spears's mother,

434
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: where is she and all this? Lynn have been pretty

435
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: low key. She hasn't been around, She had not been

436
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: spending time with Brittany or the children. She's been Billie

437
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:05,919
Speaker 1: and Louisiana, where britney sister and brother both lived, but

438
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 1: she has not been that involved in Britney's life in

439
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: a very long time. Well, looks to me very close,

440
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: But I think that Brittany felt that from past interviews

441
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: and past things that she had said, that Lynn didn't

442
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,960
Speaker 1: really help her out when she was struggling with her

443
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 1: dad and struggling with everything over a decade ago and

444
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 1: they just became estranged. Well, can you tell me about

445
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: do you remember the guy that introduced himself into Britney's

446
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: life when everything went haywire? The Sam Lufty I think

447
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: was his name. Did her mother introduce Lufty into her life?

448
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: She did? Sam Lutfe met He is a person who

449
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: had was such a bad influence on Britney Spears. He

450
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 1: can say that again. He met her mom. He told

451
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 1: Lynne he had a diamond business and he was going

452
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,880
Speaker 1: to have Lynn invest in it. You know, they've made

453
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 1: money from Brittany parents of children, really famous children do.

454
00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: And Lenne was going to invest in a diamond company

455
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,560
Speaker 1: and make millions. Instead he gets involved with Brittany and

456
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: all of the bad things that happened when Brittany happened

457
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: when he was involved. And so now a judge has

458
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: ruled that Sam cannot be anywhere near Brittany. He's not

459
00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: even allowed to speak about her, tweet about her, anything

460
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 1: because he is so detrimental to her. And this started

461
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: when Lynne introduced him to her. So this is a

462
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: over ten years problem that Brittany has with her mom.

463
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 1: Isn't it true that Lofty was her main confidant and

464
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,159
Speaker 1: her wingman, her running buddy at the time she was

465
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: originally placed in the conservatorship and many people blame his

466
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: fingali like influence on Britney Spears for a lot of

467
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: her problems. Alexis, yeah, one hundred percent. He was the

468
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: one that was with her when the big night when

469
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: Brittany was not returned. She has two children, with Kevin Federline.

470
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: Two little boys or teenagers now, but she you don't

471
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 1: have a custody arrangement, and was supposed to return the

472
00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: kids at say, six o'clock at night, and didn't refuse

473
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 1: to return them and locked herself in a bathroom with

474
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Speaker 1: one of them. Well, sam Leffe was there the whole time.

475
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: This is the night that the police came, the paramedic

476
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 1: to get the boys. Ye. Well, also she felt fro

477
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: that they were taking her boys. And let me just

478
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: tell you what the New York Times said how they

479
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: described Lofty quote. He's known for attaching himself to celebrities,

480
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: often at vulnerable moments for them. He claimed to be

481
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: her new manager, but her family said that he was

482
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 1: actually more of a catalyst for her downfall. Now, various

483
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: men have come in and out of her life, and

484
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: seemingly her life has taken a lot of let me

485
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: just say, Hairpin turns under the influence of other guys.

486
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: Now another man her father is fighting tooth and Nill

487
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: control off her empire. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,

488
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut number eight. This is

489
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: Samantha start from framing Britney Spears she was in charge

490
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: of her personal life, meaning you know, her medical care,

491
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: like making decisions about her medical care. What who comes

492
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: to visit her? You know, if she can have security

493
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: twenty four hours a day and that recently he stepped

494
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: down from that and now she has a temporary conservator

495
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: in charge of her person, but he is still right

496
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: in charge of her estate, which means, you know, Britney

497
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 1: can't sign check, she can't enter into business deals herself.

498
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: Every single thing she buys has to be listed and

499
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: monitored by the court. So we saw these court records

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Speaker 1: that showed you know, five to seventy five at target

501
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: fifteen dollars, that's our books, every single thing she spends

502
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: and this is someone making millions of dollars. So you know,

503
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: Lynn Spears recently she has to file it as an

504
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,160
Speaker 1: interested party because she's not technically part of the conservatorship.

505
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: But recently she has higher lawyers and them come to

506
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: court and she is also feels like her x husband

507
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: should step down. Well, this would be my argument to

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00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: the judge if I were representing Britney Spears. Take a

509
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: listen our cut six again, Samantha Stark. You know it's

510
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: it's really difficult because so many of the court records

511
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: are sealed. A lot of them also include medical records,

512
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: which are always sealed. The central mystery of our film

513
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: really is how could somebody make millions of dollars performing

514
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: in Vegas, headlining her own show, you know, appearing on

515
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 1: The X Factor, and making albums and also qualify for

516
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 1: this layer of protection which is usually meant for people

517
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: who are incapable of making this visions in their own

518
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: best interest. So it's very mysterious, and we don't know

519
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 1: what the legal reasoning is behind it because all the

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00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: records are sealed. To Geoffrey, a skate offf renown lawyer

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00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: joining us out of Florida, Jeff Way, And I mean,

522
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,959
Speaker 1: how can she be performing, producing, hosting the way she

523
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: is and be unable to control her affairs. I think

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00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: it's clear at this point, having been in the guardianship

525
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 1: for since two thousand and eight, that she wants to

526
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: stay inside the guardianship to reduce the stress in her

527
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: life and to allow her to do the things that

528
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: she wants to do without having to worry about the

529
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: things that she doesn't want to worry about anymore. I

530
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: don't know what you're saying. The reason that she's still

531
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: in the conservatorship she has an ask that it be terminated,

532
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: and that's because she wants to stay in the conservatorship

533
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: so she doesn't have to disagree the stress. She may

534
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 1: be asking to keep the She may be not contesting

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00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: the Conservativeship because she doesn't want to go so far

536
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: with a judge the judge throws her out of court.

537
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: She may be taking baby steps to achieve her and

538
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: ultimately getting out from under the conservatorship, starting with getting

539
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: rid of Jamie Spears. That's what she wants, but I

540
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: think ultimately she wants out of the entire conservatorship control

541
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: of her assets. But I'll play along with you, skate off,

542
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: go ahead. So if she wanted to get out, she

543
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: could come to court and say, I'm fine. You can

544
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: have be examined by whatever medical expert you want, and

545
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: it's based on how she can talk and handle herself.

546
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: She probably could get out if that's really what she wants.

547
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 1: But I believe that she wants to stay in the

548
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: conservatorship to have basically people appointed by the court to

549
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: help her run her life, especially her business empire, so

550
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: she doesn't have to do it herself, and I think

551
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: it puts her in a better place from her mental health,

552
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: not having to worry about the stress of running what

553
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: is a giant business empire. And I think he's really

554
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: right about that, father, because she's not just Britney Spears.

555
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: She is an industry, the Britney Spears industry. That she

556
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: really is the mule in this scenario, carrying everybody else

557
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: on her back. So again, Mike Kurman, you're the private investigator.

558
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: How do you go about proving she is stable and

559
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: she does not need spears her father as her conservator. Well,

560
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 1: I have seen conservatorships where they're just the estate where

561
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: people make a lot of money, but they're just very

562
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: impulsive what they're buying and how they spend it. Look

563
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 1: at Johnnie dipp Hey, hold on, there you go. Alexis

564
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: terres Chuck, he's not dead, so he spends how much

565
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: like fifty thousand dollars a month on wine all I'm

566
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 1: spending and nobody's trying to put a conservatorship on him.

567
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: He's another known example. What he's another bad example. So

568
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: he beat up a life. You could say, maybe I

569
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: went crazy when I bought a trampoline or a badminton

570
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: set in the front yard. I don't know. It all depends.

571
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: It's her money. She wants to buy three cars? Do

572
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: what I do that I know he is homeless. When

573
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,879
Speaker 1: she is homeless and homeless people when she spends all

574
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 1: of her money erratically, what people are gonna say? Why

575
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: didn't anybody help her? I'm sorry, that's her our business.

576
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: Whatever she wants, that's her our business to thrid her

577
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,400
Speaker 1: away her income or not. She's a grown woman. You

578
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: do know, Alexis that we women do have the right

579
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 1: to vote and get loans and buy houses in her

580
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 1: own names. Now did you know that? Why not her?

581
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: I believe that they're just trying to protect her assets.

582
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that she has restricted You know, if

583
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 1: you look, she has to embarrassingly enough for her. Part

584
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: of the conservativeship is she has to submit her ending.

585
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: Somebody you know, collects it for her. She doesn't fill

586
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: it out. But you know she has free range. She

587
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: spends forty thousand dollars a year at Target. She shops online.

588
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: She can really, she really can buy any things she wants. Again,

589
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: she's like, in sixty million dollars, i'd be spending more

590
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: than that at Target. Have you been to Target lately?

591
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: There's a lot of good stuff there. Okay, doctor gen Man,

592
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: help me. Apparently Alexis Terres Chuck thinks Britney Spears needs

593
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: to be in a conservatorship. Maybe she does, but that financially,

594
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: but that is her decision to make, and she wants

595
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: someone holding the purse strings. I mean, this woman is

596
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: the one making the living so everybody else can get

597
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 1: paid in coluding her father. I do think that this

598
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: goes back to kind of what we were talking about

599
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: with two thousand and eight, and the reason why I

600
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: think it does because there there was evidence of some

601
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: bipolar disorder or something related, and one of the symptoms

602
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: of bipolar is massive spending spree. And I suspect that

603
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: Brittany may be just as nervous that she may get

604
00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: out of control with her spending as others around her, because,

605
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: like we've talked about, she's nothing. I don't want conservatorship.

606
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: She should think, I don't want my dad to be

607
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: in charge of it. So that leaves me to believe

608
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: that she may feel uncomfortable or nervous about her own

609
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 1: ability to control her impulse, you know, Jeff skate Off

610
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: a guide us here. So often we see, for instance,

611
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: former child stars or really a lot of stars, and

612
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: they always get a picture of them pushing around a

613
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 1: grocery cart on the streets of la with all their

614
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: belongings in it. They're homeless. Of course, nobody wants that

615
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: to happen to Britney Spears. But certainly there's got to

616
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: be a middle ground here. What would be an alternative? Jeff, Well,

617
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,680
Speaker 1: that's one of the problems that we face in this area,

618
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: which is there really isn't a middle ground either. You've

619
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: got your full right, don't give any problems solutions, skate Off.

620
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 1: We wish we had some solutions, because there is really

621
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: no solution to deal with somebody who's partially able to

622
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: handle their fares and that's a that's a gaping hole

623
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: in the system and I don't know that that can

624
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: ever be fixed because at the concern about making sure

625
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: people have their own liberty to do what they want.

626
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: So you're either in the conservatorship or you're not. How

627
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: about a core, thin pointed business manager for her. I

628
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 1: think that's the same thing as a conservatorship, but it's

629
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: but Britney has both. Actually, she has three conservators. She's

630
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: got two of her property to her estate, and she's

631
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: got a different conservator for herself in her personal capacity,

632
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 1: and that person can control her living arrangement and who

633
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: she's allowed to socialize with. I think that she wants

634
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: to stay in this arrangement so that she has somebody

635
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,080
Speaker 1: who can tell other people trying to bother her, influence

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Speaker 1: her and do things that she doesn't want. Essentially, talk

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Speaker 1: to the conservator. It's out of my hands. It reduces

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Speaker 1: the stress on her. Jes skate off. Do you ever,

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Speaker 1: when you face a court battle, throwout arguments you know

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Speaker 1: aren't going to work, such as Britney Spears has dementia,

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Speaker 1: because it will torpedo the rest of your legitimate case.

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Speaker 1: You know, that's an interesting point. Don't let a bad

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Speaker 1: argument harm your actual good arguments. So making bad arguments

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Speaker 1: are saying things that you can't prove, is almost always

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Speaker 1: a very bad idea. I've done in a million times

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Speaker 1: going to court when I would have a witness that

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Speaker 1: had really good testimony that would help me prove a case,

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Speaker 1: but that witness had so many credibility problems they'd be

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Speaker 1: ruined on cross and it would taint the rest of

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Speaker 1: my case. Sometimes you know you've got to make a

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Speaker 1: hard decision like that. But this cast out of the bag,

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Speaker 1: the caliside of the barn. We know that Jamie Spears

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Speaker 1: has alleged Britney Spears has dementia. Well he didn't seem

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Speaker 1: to be singing that song when she was up on

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Speaker 1: the stage performing paying his paycheck. We wait till this

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Speaker 1: goes to court and justice. Unfoalds Nancy Grace Crime Story,

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye friend,