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Speaker 1: Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, July twenty second, twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we're ready

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Speaker 1: for two days to me you ran MG Marcus Grant

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Speaker 1: joined by Michael F. Florio and Lakwan Jones and Happy well,

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Speaker 1: Happy Tuesday. I guess everybody, I've no idea where I'm

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Speaker 1: going with this. Welcome back from New Orleans, l Floria.

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Speaker 1: How was the trip Triples?

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Speaker 2: A good time?

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Speaker 3: I will tell you you need to be in a

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Speaker 3: certain certain state of mind for Bourbon Street because if

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Speaker 3: you are.

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Speaker 2: Not, good luck. But I had a great time there

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Speaker 2: one night.

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Speaker 3: The next day I was like, yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 3: I can go back there again. Like I'm not, I'm

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Speaker 3: not in that state of mind. But we did like

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Speaker 3: a tour of the swamp out there on an air boat.

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Speaker 2: It was awesome.

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Speaker 3: Highly recommend But I'll say, like I thought I could

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Speaker 3: handle heat, right, I have family in Florida and stuff. No,

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Speaker 3: this Louisiana mid July on the swamp heat is be

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Speaker 3: the hottest heat I've ever dealt with in my life.

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Speaker 4: It's it's a it's a different heat, man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I've been in New Orleans. I've been to Houston.

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Speaker 1: It's a little bit different down there. You melt and sweat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: in humidity. It's like you take a shower and you

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Speaker 2: Like it's just like three times a day. It is.

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Speaker 1: That's just kind of how it is. Man, It's just

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Speaker 1: it's different. But uh, glad you had fun. What did

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Speaker 1: you did you find out? As Steve Smith's senior ONLU,

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Speaker 1: did you determine if New Orleans is too dark or not?

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Speaker 3: He's right, I'll give him that a Like there's a

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Speaker 3: lot of area where even on Bourbon Street, like it's

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Speaker 3: kind of dark except for like the really bright bar

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Speaker 3: lights because they want to. It's very over stimulating in

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Speaker 3: that sense. But like when I walked around like the

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Speaker 3: kind of where we were staying, I literally said to

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Speaker 3: one of my friends, I was like, Steve Smith was

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Speaker 3: right the whole time, and they.

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Speaker 2: Had no idea what I was talking about. I had

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Speaker 2: to the backstory.

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Speaker 1: Oh man, all right, we got some fantasy stuff to

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Speaker 1: talk about today. We will do some training camp questions

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Speaker 1: on the NFC side of things. Also kind of some

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Speaker 1: draft updates guys that we are drafting a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of guys at NIGGA.

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Speaker 1: We feel like we need to get some more of

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Speaker 1: coming up as we get closer to the start of

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Speaker 1: the season.

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Speaker 4: But first a few things that are news ish, if

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Speaker 4: you will.

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Speaker 1: Jalen Wright says he's ready to be more involved in

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Speaker 1: year two in the NFL. Says quote, I can be

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Speaker 1: a top back in this league. I mean, look, we've

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Speaker 1: seen the talent, but Lukwan, there's a guy there in

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Speaker 1: Miami and Devon h Chan who's proven he can be

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Speaker 1: explosive and be a big playmaker. Do you believe or

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Speaker 1: do you think Jalen Wright can actually cut into Devon

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Speaker 1: ah Chan's workload this year?

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Speaker 5: I think he should because we've seen Miami run this

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Speaker 5: one two punch and he has the size of raheem mostered.

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Speaker 5: He's just as explosive, and you look at his time

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Speaker 5: in Tennessee, he was very efficient seven point four yards

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Speaker 5: that he was working when he still was explosive. You

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Speaker 5: look at the small opportunities that he was getting last

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Speaker 5: ye ye. The one time he cracked ten touches was

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Speaker 5: in that New England game, and he was very explosive

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Speaker 5: So you're seeing that there's some type of talent there

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Speaker 5: that you need to start implementing in this one two punch.

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Speaker 5: But obviously things crashed and burned very early in the

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Speaker 2: But the talent is there. Man.

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Speaker 5: I definitely think you know, he is very cheap in

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Speaker 5: these drafts, so like I've been stashing him, I've been

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Speaker 5: out fully outside. He's a name that you should honestly

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Speaker 1: Floyd, how are you feeling about the Dolphins offense because

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Speaker 1: I've been sort of I mean, I'm not out on them,

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Speaker 1: but I've been very hesitant to draft a lot of Dolphins.

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Speaker 4: I'm just I'm not certain about them this year.

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Speaker 3: And it makes sense because, like I know, you could

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Speaker 3: say this for any team, like if they're starting quarterback

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Speaker 3: goes down at fault, like if Lamar Jackson missed his

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Speaker 3: time the Ravens offense full Josh, you know, but like

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Speaker 3: we've seen it time and time again with Tua and

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins, and his situation is a little different than others.

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Speaker 3: I don't really find myself taking any of the pass catchers,

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Speaker 3: but I'm all in on Devon Han in round two,

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Speaker 3: Like I think he could be the RB one this

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Speaker 3: year because he is so good as a receiver. He

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Speaker 3: is such an explosive runner. And I agree with OQ,

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Speaker 3: like I'm fine taking late round shots on Jalen Wright

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Speaker 3: in case h N miss his time or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: I think he'll have a role because every RB two

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Speaker 3: has a role in their team's offense. But I do

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Speaker 3: think the valuable touches, the goal line, the passing downs

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Speaker 3: like that is going to go to Devon Hen And

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Speaker 3: I still do think he will be the lead runner

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Speaker 3: each game for this team as long as, Like I

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Speaker 3: don't think people realize he scored more Fantasy points per

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Speaker 3: game than Sakwon Barkley when he had two a toungueai

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Speaker 3: looa out there last year.

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Speaker 2: So he was awesome and I think he can do

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Speaker 2: that again.

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Speaker 3: But it's funny to me about this Jalen Wright comment

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Speaker 3: because like, as a player ever been like, listen, don't

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Speaker 3: give me the ball. I'm not rest especially this time

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Speaker 3: of year.

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Speaker 1: You know that would be great, Like I want I

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Speaker 1: want to hear that the like, hey man, I'm not ready.

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Speaker 4: Maybe get somebody else a chance.

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Speaker 1: Right after a team announces that a player had unsuccessful surgery,

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Speaker 1: right because you know it's always so and so had

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Speaker 1: successful Like I just want a team to be like oof, No,

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Speaker 1: I think they botched it, Like it's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be rough.

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Speaker 1: Those are the two things I'm kind of waiting for.

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Speaker 1: Last year, Devaney Chan played nearly sixty two percent.

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Speaker 4: Of the snaps. Right behind him was Raheem Moster.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I guess you got out in Gold if you

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Speaker 1: want to count Alex Ingold with the fullback spot sort

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Speaker 1: of a different beast there, so maybe that doesn't really count.

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Speaker 1: But Raheem Moster played about a quarter of the snaps

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Speaker 1: of assuming that all of those vacated Moster snaps aren't

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Speaker 1: going to go to Jalen Wright, but if he takes

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Speaker 1: a portion of them, that could put him in the

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Speaker 1: which is not insignificant, kind of doubling his opportunities from

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Speaker 3: Under the show Alec and Gold by the way, yeah,

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Speaker 3: absolutely good good time, good good guy to talk to,

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Speaker 3: so but obviously not particularly fantasy relevance.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sadly in Seattle, Sehawks making a change at tight end.

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Speaker 1: They have released Noah Fan, a guy who just never

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Speaker 4: I think the way people thought he would coming out

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Speaker 1: You have all those those Iowa tight ends right from

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Speaker 1: the George Kittles and the TJ. Hawkinson's just Sam Laporta

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Speaker 1: Fan just never quite hit that way. So Florida is

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Speaker 1: an Elijah Royo season now in Seattle.

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Speaker 2: I tweeted this on Sunday.

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Speaker 3: I was like, be prepared to hear me call him

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Speaker 3: a sleeper a lot this year.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not not a sleeper.

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Speaker 3: In this sense of you draft him to be your

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Speaker 3: tight end one, but as a late round dart throw

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Speaker 3: you're tight end too. Like I he might be my

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Speaker 3: most drafted tight end right now just because he's free.

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Speaker 3: Like he was going outside the top thirty in Best

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Speaker 3: U back in the draft season like process, I was like,

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Speaker 3: if there's a my guy at tight end, I would

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Speaker 3: say it's a royal because he has the size. He

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Speaker 3: could win downfield. There was a lot more downfield usage

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Speaker 3: than you typically see from a college tight end, and

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Speaker 3: he could win after the catch. I think he needs

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Speaker 2: But all of the tools.

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Speaker 3: Are there, so again, don't dra have them to be

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Speaker 3: your starter. But if you wait on tight end or

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Speaker 3: something you want some late round upside, he is your guy.

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Speaker 3: But I don't know if you guys saw the Seahawks

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Speaker 3: tweet when they announced it, they were like three years,

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Speaker 3: so many moments no offense. I can't sit here and

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Speaker 3: tell you a single no offen moment.

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Speaker 2: The mind really.

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Speaker 1: Don't release me and then say, oh, the great moments

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Speaker 1: we had and nobody remembers what are we doing?

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Speaker 3: You guys are fans of teams in that division. Do

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Speaker 3: you have strong no offense Seahawks memories?

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Speaker 1: I have no no offense Seahawks memories. No, not a

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Speaker 1: single one dry memory. I'm really trying to think of

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Speaker 1: a time where, yeah, no offense did a thing where

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Speaker 1: it's like, man, no offense killing us right now? Like no,

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Speaker 1: I never never thought that that's sad.

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Speaker 5: I mean, only the fantasy streets are the reason why

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Speaker 5: Noah fan name even pops up in any conversation, like

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Speaker 5: that's the blame there, Like, I don't even remember him

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Speaker 5: being there for three years. I thought it was literally

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Speaker 1: But okay, I just were they were they like throwing shade?

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Speaker 3: Was it?

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Speaker 1: Were they trying to be nice and it turns out

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Speaker 4: Like I don't you know what's sad?

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Speaker 5: Though, I have more Aj Barner memories because he was

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Speaker 5: cutting us up in one game. I'm like, why is

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Speaker 5: this dude just kick getting open because our linebackers can't

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Speaker 5: cover him? But I have more memories of that than

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Speaker 5: no a fan actually showing up and showing out doing anything.

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Speaker 4: But Will Disley like I got, I got Will Disley memories.

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Speaker 3: I mean, my biggest noahf memory is the year he

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Speaker 3: was drafted. There was like a him versus Hockinson conversation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like yeah, yeah we're out. Uh yeah.

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Speaker 1: As Gavin points out in the chat, Greg dulcag has

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Speaker 1: more memory.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I was. I've been a big Greg Dulcage

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Speaker 2: guy the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: How wiber I spent the whole off season learning how

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Speaker 1: to say, oh, Koya Budham, and it never amounted to anything.

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Speaker 1: Say it once in season that I don't think I

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Speaker 1: had to say it once. Yeah at all at all?

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Speaker 1: Thank God, I think you'd be talking about noa phantos long.

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Speaker 1: Will Levis is going down to go surgery on his

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Speaker 1: throwing shoulder. He will miss the entirety of the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five season, which only solidifies that cam Ward will be.

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Speaker 4: The QB one in Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: As if we didn't already know that.

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Speaker 1: Uh so obviously the quand we're not drafting Will Levis

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Speaker 1: in redrafts this year, in Best Ball or anything like that.

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Speaker 1: For those folks who might still be sitting on Will

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Speaker 1: Levis in Dynasty, is it time to cut bait or

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Speaker 1: do you just ride it out and hope maybe there's

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Speaker 4: If he's still available on the wire, yikes.

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Speaker 4: You're you're not really trying to what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: Go go outside, touch grass. We're gonna take a break,

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Speaker 1: Right to come right back. Talk to some NFC training

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Speaker 1: So the first one, the first two questions are sort

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Speaker 5: Over the weekend, I was able to talk with Jason

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Speaker 3: It's great to back up his point though, Ben Johnson,

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Speaker 3: I don't think people realize that because we big of

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm on Ross Saint Brown does so well,

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Speaker 1: That's what Sam Laporta did, especially in his rookie year.

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Speaker 1: That's what jam You know, Jamior Gibbs is not a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not buying that.

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Speaker 4: Why not? And he's lining up in the slot season, Man.

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Speaker 2: They're going to continue to be great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think I think, you know, the talent

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Speaker 3: think DeAndre Swift could finish this year as an RB one.

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00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 3: If things break right, you don't have to pay anywhere

441
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 3: close to that price, although it is climbing his ADP.

442
00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's I'm.

443
00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,680
Speaker 3: Really optimistic about this Bears team, and I think almost

444
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: all of their players right now are a value at

445
00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:07,480
Speaker 3: ADP because Dj Moore you get is what a borderline two?

446
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 3: What maybe wide receiver three a doomsday as well into

447
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 3: the wide receiver three the tight end like like both

448
00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:16,119
Speaker 3: of them. Comet doesn't even get drafted, but Loveland borderline

449
00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 3: tight end one, Like I think all of them could

450
00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,400
Speaker 3: exceed their draft colls Right now.

451
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 1: Are we Lakwan maybe discounting Cole Comet a little bit

452
00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:30,520
Speaker 1: because you know, obviously they spin a draft pick on

453
00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: Colston Loveland, they make him the first tight end off

454
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: the board.

455
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 4: You know, I've been drafting him.

456
00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 1: I think my argument has been Ben Johnson must have

457
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 1: a plan, right, they took him over Tyler Warren, they

458
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:43,320
Speaker 1: must have a plan for him. But Cole Comet caught

459
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,480
Speaker 1: almost fifty passes last year, had almost five hundred receiving yards,

460
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: four touchdowns. Like, they're not just going to completely take

461
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: him off the board. Like, are we getting to hype

462
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,919
Speaker 1: on Loveland? Are we overlooking Comet? I mean, what are

463
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,640
Speaker 1: we doing here? We're definitely overlooking Comet. And we're also

464
00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: overlooking that show sold us older injury. Yeah, I was

465
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:07,399
Speaker 1: trying to get money, by the way, But Loveland with

466
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 1: that shoulder injury, it's one of those things that you

467
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 1: know you're just gonna have to monitor throughout camp. And

468
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: I think Colston Loveland there's a plan for him obviously

469
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Speaker 1: in this Ben Johnson offense.

470
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Speaker 2: For the future.

471
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Speaker 5: It may not be this year that we see the breakout.

472
00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,360
Speaker 5: You know, it might take some time, and I think

473
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Speaker 5: Cole Comet again, I keep pounding the table. He's one

474
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 5: of those rope running tight ends that could be threatening

475
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 5: across the middle. He can be like a George Kittle

476
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 5: in this offense if you give him opportunity. He's always

477
00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,159
Speaker 5: dealt with. The quarterback play is not up to par,

478
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,119
Speaker 5: the signal caller isn't up to park. There's always something

479
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:39,919
Speaker 5: going on where Cole Comett can't get the opportunity to

480
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 5: just blossom. I thought it would be this season, but

481
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 5: they took Loveland. But again, you just have to monitor

482
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 5: through camp or where this shoulder injury is going to be.

483
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Speaker 1: I mean, one year was Jimmy Graham was stealing touchdowns

484
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Speaker 1: from him. But now Jimmy Graham is rowing kayaks across

485
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Speaker 1: the Arctic Ocean breaking the records.

486
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Speaker 2: You're here for the seat.

487
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Speaker 1: Last week, that's right, Yeah, Jimmy Graham set a record

488
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: rowing a boat with a team of four altogether across

489
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 1: the Arctic Ocean with five hundred miles in just over

490
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Speaker 1: ten days.

491
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Speaker 4: So, oh my my god.

492
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Speaker 2: He did that. He did that fifty miles a day,

493
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 2: he did that. Yeah, that's that's insane. Big Man.

494
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: Actually closer to sixty miles a day, So how sore

495
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Speaker 1: must his shoulders be?

496
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Speaker 4: Probably very probably very lovely level.

497
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Speaker 1: Other training camp questions, Floya, are we willing to bet

498
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Speaker 1: on Bryce Young in twenty twenty five?

499
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:45,120
Speaker 3: I am because of where he's going in drafts right now,

500
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 3: like he's still going as a low end QB two.

501
00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:55,200
Speaker 3: And I don't think people fully realize how well Bryce

502
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,679
Speaker 3: Young was playing down the stretch last year after he

503
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 3: became the starter again, remember they benched and Frandy Dawton

504
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 3: for a couple of games. He averaged eighteen Fantasy points

505
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 3: per game. From week eleven on it was over twenty

506
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 3: per game, and that was largely because of the five

507
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: rushing touchdowns he had. I know those could be hard

508
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,959
Speaker 3: to bank on, but I think the fact that he

509
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,160
Speaker 3: looked more comfortable as a runner, like that we did

510
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,120
Speaker 3: not see that at all from him as a rookie.

511
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 3: He looked much more comfortable in that regard. And then, like,

512
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: let's not forget during that stretch, Jonathon Johnson was supposed

513
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 3: to be his wide receiver one and he was on

514
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 3: his eighteen.

515
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: By that point already.

516
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 3: So now he has in Tetuo McMillan, he has a

517
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: new wide receiver one. There we get feeling Jatavian Sanders,

518
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: like there's not a lot of proven high level talent

519
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 3: there anymore, but there's a lot of upside still with

520
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: all of these young guys that were early round picks.

521
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 3: So again not drafting him to be your starter or

522
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: something like that, but if you want later round upside,

523
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Speaker 3: I think young brings it.

524
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

525
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: I did, like, you know, you pointing out that because

526
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,879
Speaker 1: I felt like late in the season he was good,

527
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: but like kind of math, but you know, you mentioned

528
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: he averages eighteen fantasy points per game in the back

529
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: half of the season, and I'm looking right now, we twelve,

530
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 1: he had sixteen and a half thirteen, We thirteen was

531
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:22,040
Speaker 1: twenty three point six, then thirteen point five, fourteen, twenty seven, sixteen,

532
00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: many finishes with thirty six, you know, and we.

533
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 3: Did a range of outcome, kind of guy wide.

534
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 4: Range of outcome.

535
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 5: I do think there's some untapped potential in that rushing

536
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,160
Speaker 5: up side because ninety percent of his rushing yards came

537
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 5: after he came off the bench, and he was on

538
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 5: pace on a seventeen game pace. If he would have

539
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 5: kept this energy, this same rushing upside and instinct, he

540
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 5: would have been in that four hundred yard mark for rushing yards,

541
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,239
Speaker 5: and I think that adding that to his game, not

542
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 5: having that trust in his old line, because we saw

543
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three how bad that old line was. He

544
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,680
Speaker 5: needs to tap back into that rushing upside and that

545
00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 5: instinct to get in and out of that pocket. If

546
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 5: you're telling me, I can get Bryce Young with four

547
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,160
Speaker 5: hundred yards on the table for him if we can

548
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 5: keep on this pace of what he was when he

549
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 5: came off the bench, he's in the same marks of

550
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 5: what Caleb did last year on the ground. Bo Nicks Like,

551
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,639
Speaker 5: you're getting that upside with a guy that is incredibly

552
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,879
Speaker 5: cheap right now as a QB too, And like, if

553
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,360
Speaker 5: you're taking some of these risky gambles in these drafts,

554
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 5: and I'm talking about you, go and get Deck. You

555
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 5: know he has some injury history, but that could be

556
00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,920
Speaker 5: a top five. But if you're unsure, they're slapper. Bryce

557
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 5: shown there because coming off the bench, like Flurio said,

558
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,120
Speaker 5: eighteen Fantasy points per game, he was QB fourteen in

559
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 5: that range and I'm like, oh, okay, well there's top

560
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 5: twelve upside here and you can win leagues with a

561
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,920
Speaker 5: top twelve quarterback. So I think, you know, if you're

562
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 5: not too sure about Patrick Mahomes slap Brice showing, is

563
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 5: your QB two, like, you just have to have that security.

564
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 5: But I do think there's upside there.

565
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: One thing I thought was interesting because we had the

566
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: chance to talk to both Adam Thielen and xavierly Get

567
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: this offseason, and while he didn't necessarily come out and

568
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: say it outright, I got the sense from both of them,

569
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: especially from le Get, that I think the guys in

570
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: the huddle weren't thrilled with the idea bench Bryce Young

571
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: when it happened.

572
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: I think I think the guys in the.

573
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,399
Speaker 1: Huddle saw the growth, they saw the development, and I

574
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 1: think I think the sense was that the coaching staff

575
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: maybe were they had it too quick of a hook

576
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 1: on it because like week three, Yeah, we're very very

577
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 1: early in the season. And I think I think both

578
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,040
Speaker 1: Feeling and lee Get, you know, they sort of again

579
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: they didn't come out and just outright say it, but

580
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 1: just sort of how they talked about it gave me

581
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 1: this feeling that, you know, they really believed in Bryce Young,

582
00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: and I think they were both happy to see him

583
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,239
Speaker 1: have some success after he came back off the bit,

584
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: and I don't think it was any shade on Andy Dalton.

585
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: It was just more about believing in the young.

586
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 1: Guy who's supposed to be the future of the franchise

587
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: right there.

588
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: So they did lose their first two games by a

589
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 3: combined score of seventy three to thirteen.

590
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: Yes bad, But yeah, if you're.

591
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: Giving up seventy three, that's just as much on the details.

592
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: That's that's not all the quarterback right suck. I mean,

593
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: I got U thirteen points.

594
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: I mean, but also I mean, if we want to

595
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 1: if we want to play that game. I remember the

596
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: because one of those games was to the Saints. I

597
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,320
Speaker 1: remember how the Saints scored like ninety one points in

598
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: their first two games.

599
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 4: Were like, Oh, this this offense might be for real.

600
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 1: And then I think it took them like five weeks

601
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: to score ninety one points again, like combined or something

602
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 1: like that.

603
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 2: It was. It was bad.

604
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: So I don't know, just saying maybe the first two

605
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: weeks is not a whole season, That's all I'm saying.

606
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you this specifically, lakwan Oh no Is,

607
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and Jigbo ready to be an outside receiver.

608
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: Corollary to which is is Cooper Cup going to eat

609
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 1: in Seattle?

610
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 5: Listen, I don't know why they're accommodating for Cooper Cup

611
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 5: to be in that slot. I don't know if we're

612
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 5: ready to see JSN play on the outside. We've had

613
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 5: a very small sample size of him playing as an

614
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 5: outside wide receiver. Not saying he can't win. He's shown

615
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 5: he could be effective. I mean back to back seasons

616
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 5: when the quarterback is targeting me at one hundred and

617
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: twelve pass ringing back to back season, so it's like

618
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 5: he can be effective out there. But I don't know

619
00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 5: what a full season looks like with him exclusively playing

620
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 5: on the outside, also with Clint Qbac coming in. I mean, look,

621
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: the Saints they had the seventh highest usage of twelve

622
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 5: personnel last season, so I'm not even understanding the idea

623
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 5: of what this offense can look like. I mean, with

624
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 5: them releasing no offense, it kind of shows their hand.

625
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 5: They want to get AJ Barner and Elijah Royal on

626
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 5: the field at the same time, so twelve personnel. So

627
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 5: when you're looking at the potential of what this offense

628
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 5: can be with MBS as the field stretcher and then

629
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 5: JSN as an exclusive outside guy when you go into

630
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 5: three wide receiver sets, and then not to mention, I'm

631
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 5: going on the tangent here because I've really dived into

632
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 5: the Seahawks. I like identity of what it could be

633
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 5: on the offense, and it's like, Okay, well, Clint qback

634
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 5: doesn't use three wide receivers. He does not believe in

635
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 5: using three wide receivers as often. As much as we're

636
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 5: trying to make this identity of this offense to be

637
00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 5: twenty twenty one, who's the offensive coordinating for the Vikings?

638
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 5: I mean, below league average when the usage of three

639
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 5: wide receivers even last season. It might have been the

640
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 5: personnel issue over there with the pass catchers, but I

641
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 5: just don't understand the identity of the Seahawks offense for

642
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 5: me to believe that JSN or Cooper Cup can eat

643
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 5: because I think it's counterproductive with them flip flopping back

644
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 5: and forth from slot to outside.

645
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think they flip flop or do

646
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: you think just like Cooper, Cup is just the slot

647
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 1: guy because at this point Cup's career, Like I don't

648
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that I want him on the outside.

649
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 4: I don't know if he wins on the outside right now.

650
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: I don't think people paid attention in these last two

651
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 5: seasons or where Cooper Cup was getting most of his

652
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 5: work from, and that was from the slot position. So

653
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 5: if you're gonna run twelve personnel or if you're going

654
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 5: to switch to a three wide receiver set, he has

655
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 5: to play the slot. And that's where we want JSN

656
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 5: to be the ultimate fantasy wide receiver. I mean, I've

657
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 5: seen him go off the board as the wide receiver twelve,

658
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 5: right behind lad and I think that's incredibly too high.

659
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: You're taking a risk there because again we don't know

660
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 5: that identity of this offense, nor do we know if

661
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 5: Sam Darnold seeing ghosts anymore. That old line was terrible

662
00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 5: last season. He got to face Jared Verse twice a

663
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 5: year every year, and he might be on his back again.

664
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 5: So it's one of those things like we're diving into

665
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 5: the Seahawks offense and saying that Cooper Cup maybe a

666
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 5: steal later in drafts, JSN maybe a top ten wide receiver.

667
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: How do we know this if they don't even know

668
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 5: what they're doing over there. So that's just what I

669
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 5: got for you.

670
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: I mean, Florio, is there a universe though, where if

671
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: they're going two wide receiver sets, it's just JSN and

672
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: Cup and MVS is the guy on the outside, is

673
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 1: am I saying on the outside on the sideline?

674
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I think we will see some three wide

675
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: receiver sets sprinkled in. Probably not at a heavy rate

676
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: like LK was saying, but I could see these two

677
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 3: splitting time pretty consistently between out wide and in the

678
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 3: slot like Cup and JSN. Uh. And if that happens,

679
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 3: like I've seen people be like, well, JSN is really

680
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 3: talented and he could play out wide, and I don't disagree,

681
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 3: but he was the most effective slot wide.

682
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: Receiver last year.

683
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 3: So is he going to be that effective out wide?

684
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 3: I don't think so. So that dings his value right there.

685
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 3: Cooper Cup isn't as good in the slot at this

686
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: point as JSN, and I would probably argue he's not

687
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: as good out wide as JASN, So you should build

688
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 3: your offense around JASN and put him where the best

689
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 3: spot is to succeed. But I'm worried and I have

690
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 3: concerns about this Seahawks offense, especially look I know Clint Kubiak,

691
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 3: a lot of motion, a lot of zone everything. We

692
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 3: got excited, like you guys were saying about him last

693
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: season that didn't work out after the first two weeks

694
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: with the Saints. We got excited about this Seahawks offense

695
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: last season with Ryan Grubb that didn't work out, and

696
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 3: it's worse this year. So I find myself not really investing.

697
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 3: Especially you gotta take jsn as a top fifteen wide receiver.

698
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 2: Yi, I don't have him ranked that high.

699
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: He's a little bit lower for me, so I don't

700
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: really It's usually Kenneth Walker or no one for or

701
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 3: unless the Elijah Royal, but even Kenneth Walker like depends

702
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: on the build and stuff. I don't find myself super

703
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 3: stay healthy.

704
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 2: Yeah that's all.

705
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you know you're you're out on Kenneth Walker, right, Lacan,

706
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: You're just not a Kenneth.

707
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 5: He's a dark horse to be a top five running back.

708
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 5: But for my rosters this summer, I can't invest like

709
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 5: I can see the vision, I can see the talent.

710
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 5: He's one of the most elusive backs in the league.

711
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 5: He is great when he's there. He was on pace

712
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 5: for seventy targets last season or was it seventy catches?

713
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 5: I might have had that wrong, but the fact that

714
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 5: he can't stay healthy is why he hurts so many

715
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 5: fantasy rosters. Like I'm not willing to jump in and

716
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 5: invest in that he's one of.

717
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 3: Those players that because I have like double digit teams,

718
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: I want him on a couple of rosters, But if

719
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 3: I had like one or two teams, I'm fine not

720
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: having him on there.

721
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not losing sleep, not at all.

722
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 4: God, he was on pace for seventy targets.

723
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go.

724
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: Seventy targets, fifty three targets in eleven games last year.

725
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 7: So I think that looks crazy on seventy season and

726
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 7: give me that. That's like, that's exactly where he needs

727
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 7: to be at this season. And we've seen click Qubiac

728
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 7: get career highs out of Alvin Kamara last season on

729
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 7: the ground, So I feel like, you know, if you

730
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 7: could do the same with Kenneth Walker if he stays

731
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 7: up right, sprinkling zac Sharbonne a little bit, so you

732
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 7: know you can carry the.

733
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 5: Load, you know, evenly with them too. Maybe, But I

734
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 5: think Kenneth Walker being in use efficiently rather than a workhorse.

735
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 5: Probably works better for him for fantasy.

736
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: All right, but Cooper comms wide receiver in the division.

737
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 5: Right, stop it you come from New Orleans and start

738
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 5: rolling bros.

739
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 4: That's funny. All right, We're gonna take a break act.

740
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 2: You know, one more questions. I forgot it. There's one more.

741
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: When do holdouts become a big deal? And I'm guessing

742
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: this is a Terry McLaurin question.

743
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 3: I put it. I have the Jaden Daniels shirt. But

744
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: I was like, because I know people are gonna get

745
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 3: scared of it and look to Ayuk. But we also

746
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: forget that Jamar Chase held out just as long last year.

747
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 3: So like, is there any rhyme or reason here? I can't.

748
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 3: I can, yeah, kind of put my finger on it,

749
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 3: all right.

750
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I don't know about you.

751
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 2: Look on, I'm not worried yet.

752
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 1: And and the latest reports seem positive as though, you know,

753
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 1: the two sides are trying to to work something out.

754
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 2: You know.

755
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: I think for McLaurin, yeah, I think that the commanders

756
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: realize they need him, you know, they're they're finally starting

757
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: to have some success. He's a guy who's been there

758
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,919
Speaker 1: through thick and thin. He's produced despite bad quarterback play.

759
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: I think the commanders realize how much they need him.

760
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: I think them something's gonna get done. But right now,

761
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: on July twenty second, I'm not super worried. If it's

762
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 1: you know, three weeks from now, maybe I'm a little

763
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: bit more concerned.

764
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 2: But look, I'm not too concerned.

765
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 5: I was about to say, if we get like two,

766
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 5: three weeks into August and he is still not practicing,

767
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 5: he's still not doing anything and there's no contract talk,

768
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 5: That's when I'll be worried. You know, Like not all

769
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 5: hold the holdouts are held the same. I mean mentioned

770
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 5: Jamar Chase, he held out and he still had the

771
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,080
Speaker 5: amazing season. Then you look at Brandon Nayuk on his

772
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 5: couch on TikTok and facetim and Jayden Daniels.

773
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 2: Slop.

774
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 5: He was slopped those first seven weeks. Where's the touchdowns?

775
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: None?

776
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 5: Like he wasn't as effective as he should have been,

777
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 5: you know, getting the bag. But I feel like Terry McLaurin,

778
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 5: you have to drop them down in your ranks, like

779
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 5: I dropped them to wide receiver eighteen. Right now, that's

780
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 5: behind Wilson Pickens like, I feel like he can easily

781
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 5: move back up if this contract clears up. But being that,

782
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 5: you know, he's in the situations and now, I don't

783
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 5: know if we want to see this happen all the

784
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 5: way into August.

785
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean right now, I'm remaining optimistic. I

786
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: don't think it will. I think they will get something

787
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: done sooner than later, and then this will all be

788
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 1: kind of a moot conversation.

789
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: So fingers crossed.

790
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 2: If they get something done, McLaurin has earned it. McLaurin

791
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 2: has earned it.

792
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: The commanders need him in there, So let's just let's

793
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: just make everybody happy and get this thing done. Terry

794
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 1: McLaurin is certainly a guy that we are drafting, but

795
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: how much are we drafting him? And is there somebody

796
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: else that maybe we should be drafting more of. We'll

797
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: talk about the guys we are drafting a lot of

798
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: the guys that maybe we should maybe kind of get

799
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 1: in on a little bit more. That's coming up next

800
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 1: on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

801
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:09,799
Speaker 2: All right, so we.

802
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: Are well into draft season, talking about some of the

803
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: players that we are drafting a lot of and some

804
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: of them that maybe we could draft a little bit

805
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: more of.

806
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 2: So uh Lakwan.

807
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 4: Who's a guy that you are just super super heavy.

808
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 2: On right now.

809
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 5: Brishard Smith over there in Kansas City, and it is

810
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 5: RB three season, because you know, I'm missed RB three,

811
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 5: but I do think there's a role there. Andy Reid

812
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 5: has been talking him up. I mean, he's electric, a

813
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 5: former wide receiver, natural hands. He's out there being electric

814
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 5: out there like a Jared McKinnon, like a two point

815
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,439
Speaker 5: zero in Andy Reid's eye. So I've been getting a lot.

816
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 5: He's actually the most roster running back I have right

817
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 5: now on Underdog because it's honestly just setting up in

818
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 5: the stars. How do you keep a checko healthy? You

819
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 5: split up the workload. You don't have to have a

820
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 5: checko catching all these balls. We know Matt Naggie likes

821
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 5: to Pepper's running backs with you know, targets. Why not

822
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 5: Pepper a guy who is designed for this to be

823
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 5: explosive out in the backfield, and that's for charge Smith.

824
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 5: So I'm putting all my chips on him as a

825
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 5: late round steal.

826
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 2: All right.

827
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 4: Who You've got a lot of Florida.

828
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 2: I'm on the exact opposite side of that.

829
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 3: I have a ton Isaiah Pacheco and Andres Swift are

830
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: my most drafted players, but we've talked about them a lot.

831
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 3: I also have one hundred percent Markuith Brown. I told

832
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 3: you in the wide Receiver episode like he's so late.

833
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 3: I take him every time. But Camp Skataboo, besides those guys,

834
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 3: it's ten because I think he is going to be

835
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 3: the Giants RB one this year. I think Tyron Tracy

836
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: is a nice RB two in this league.

837
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: I think camp.

838
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: Skataboo is the one. I think he's more dynamic. I

839
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 3: think he could be the goal line runner. I think

840
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 3: he is a better pass catcher. Even though Tracy was

841
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: like a receiver, I think Skataboo is just more dynamic.

842
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 3: Does everything. So getting him in like the tenth round,

843
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 3: especially the way I draft my team's very wide receiver heavy.

844
00:38:57,440 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 3: He feels like a cutoff point to me, Like after him,

845
00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 3: I don't think the running backs left have as much

846
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 3: immediate upside, So I really do try to get Skataboo

847
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 3: on as many rosters as I can.

848
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've gotten quite a bit of Scataboo. I've also

849
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: found myself drafting a lot of and this is you know,

850
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: late round hopefully develops into something. But Elec ioman Or

851
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: down there in Tennessee, just because you know, after Calvin Ridley,

852
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,280
Speaker 1: who else is there that really is going to command

853
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: a lot of targets. And that's not to you know,

854
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: necessarily guarantee that ioman Or is going to be that guy,

855
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: But you know, why not have your rookie wide receiver

856
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: and your rookie quarterbacks sort of grow together. Right Calvin

857
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: Ridley is going to, barring some sort of major upset,

858
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: be the the number one target there.

859
00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 4: Maybe Tyler Lockett has something left.

860
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: As much as I was once a van Stan Van Jefferson,

861
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: I think we've sort of seen the ceiling.

862
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 2: I know that.

863
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 4: I know that makes you a little bit sad.

864
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 1: There, Lukwan a little bit of tears, you know, like

865
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: I think we've seen this feeling on him there. So

866
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: why not give Iomnor an opportunity to come and make

867
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: some plays, especially on a team that is probably going

868
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: to lose a lot of games, that's probably going to

869
00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: have to play.

870
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 4: From behind and throw the football a lot this year.

871
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: You know, it just it feels like there's a chance

872
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: for him to maybe develop into something this year. But again,

873
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: it's a situation where like, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not.

874
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: I'm not spending a lot of draft capital to get Io.

875
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 3: You know, all of ours were late. Mine was a

876
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: little bit earlier than your guys. But the rookies in

877
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 3: the double digit rounds, and I think that's smart drafting

878
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: because they're they're free, like you.

879
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: Could drop them if it doesn't work.

880
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 1: Well.

881
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 3: I know we're talking beastball, but you know what I mean,

882
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 3: in a regular season least like.

883
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,439
Speaker 2: And they're free.

884
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: Upside on the flip side, Lakwan, who's somebody that maybe

885
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,760
Speaker 1: you wish you could get a little more of, or we'll.

886
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 4: Try to get a little bit more of as we

887
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 4: get further into this.

888
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 5: George Pickens man, and I've been drawn back on him obviously,

889
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 5: you know what we've seen from him, but I'm actually

890
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 5: starting to put the puzzle together of what he can

891
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 5: bring to this Cowboys offense. Like we know, when Dak's healthy,

892
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,280
Speaker 5: this is a top five offense and scoring in total yards,

893
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 5: whatever you want to call it, this is a top

894
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 5: five and still Cowboys offense. Now you give Pickens a

895
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:18,760
Speaker 5: quarterback like Dak, and you give Dak a wide receiver too,

896
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,399
Speaker 5: like Pickens, This only elevates this entire offense, Like you're

897
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 5: gonna have to worry about having CD killing you in

898
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 5: the middle, or even Jake Ferguson, You're gonna have to

899
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 5: worry about Dublin CD and letting Pickens beat you down

900
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 5: the perimeter. That is real, like nightmares for defenders. And

901
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 5: I think with that long ball Dak he becomes even

902
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: more higher in value in fantasy. He's a top three

903
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 5: quarterback in like two seasons ago. Like we're forgetting that

904
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 5: he could put up damn near forty total touchdowns. He

905
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 5: had thirty eight twice in his career, So I think

906
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 5: we get into that forty five touchdown mark, we get

907
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 5: into that Joe Burrow talk, we get into those touchdown

908
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 5: ranges where Pickens is going to eat somebody these I

909
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 5: can see ten ten touchdowns for Pickens as like a floor.

910
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 5: And I'm being serious when I say war of ten

911
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 5: for when you look at this offense and how threatening

912
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 5: he was in twenty twenty three without a wide receiver too,

913
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 5: Dak was out there slinging it to CD. We're seventeen

914
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 5: hundred yards but it's like you look at the wide

915
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 5: receiver too, Brandon Cooks, nobody cracked more than seven hundred

916
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 5: yards and that's like, Okay, you're adding some guy that

917
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 5: has the potential to put a thousand yards on the

918
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 5: table along with CD. Yeah, this offense is going to

919
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 5: be crazy. So I need more pickings, all right, Florida.

920
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 2: Who do you want to get more of it? Good?

921
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 2: Bucky Irving.

922
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: I at the start of like the after you know,

923
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: the NFL draft and stuff, I was like, I like body,

924
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 3: but I think that the Bucks could take some regression.

925
00:42:42,320 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: I think Baker Mayfield looks like an obvious regression candidate

926
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 3: to me. A new OC Rashad White is still there.

927
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,320
Speaker 3: But the more that I have kind of dove into

928
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 3: Bucky Irving, like his range of outcomes is finishing as

929
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 3: the RB one I think, so I have him in

930
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: my top eight. If Devon a Han is there, I'm

931
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 3: gonna take Devon a Chan over him.

932
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: But after that, like, I really.

933
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: Do like taking Bucky Irving in round two and he

934
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 3: was top six in like every metric that you want

935
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: your running backs to be good in. So he's explosive,

936
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: he's a good back, hands out of the backfield all

937
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: of that, and look for Shad White is a thorn

938
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 3: in the side. But if Bucky could even just a

939
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 3: little bit more separate himself from in the passing game,

940
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: the sky is the limit. So Bucky is definitely someone

941
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 3: that I'm going to try to get on more teams

942
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 3: than I have up.

943
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 2: Until this point.

944
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: For me, it's and this is a guy who's going

945
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,240
Speaker 1: off early earlier in drafts, and so it might force

946
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: me to reach a little bit more. But I'm starting

947
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: to feel like I don't have quite enough. Brian Thomas Junior,

948
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: Now I have to sort of balance this because I

949
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: don't want to get too heavy on this just because

950
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: you have the Travis Hunter factor. But I think that

951
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,239
Speaker 1: sort of cuts both ways, right in that a Hunter

952
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 1: might eat into some of the targets share. But also,

953
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, especially early in the season, I think Travis

954
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: Hutter is going to draw a lot of attention. He's

955
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 1: gonna get a lot of people watching him just because

956
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, I think a lot of defenses are not

957
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: going to want to be beaten by him. They're gonna

958
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: try to figure out ways to slow him down a

959
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: little bit. So maybe that added attention opened some things

960
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: up for Brian Thomas. You know, I know that for you,

961
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: laquant it means relying on Trevor Lawrence.

962
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 5: I'm sorry that name Trevor mid Lawrence. Trevor, he has

963
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 5: a middle name.

964
00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: What I did there?

965
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: He said, I mean, you make it sound like he

966
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: should be hanging out in Asgard with like four and

967
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: him or something like that.

968
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 5: He needs to step up and elevate because again they're

969
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,479
Speaker 5: hitting on the surges of like nineteen Fantasy points per game.

970
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 5: But that was with Mac Jones. That wasn't with Trevor Lawrence.

971
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 5: And again, Trevor Larrence needs to stay healthy and step

972
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 5: up and perform. He has to coach now. So this

973
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 5: is the year, right, are we gonna be like this

974
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 5: is the final year that we can have this Trevor Lawrence,

975
00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 5: Trevor mid Lawrence.

976
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: I don't know.

977
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know there's a hype train anymore

978
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: for Trevor Lawrence.

979
00:45:06,080 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: I mean, I think she's every blind.

980
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 4: Really.

981
00:45:09,800 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: I feel like I feel like people are sort of like, okay,

982
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,359
Speaker 1: he's there's still something there. But I think I think

983
00:45:14,400 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: the idea that he's going to be this transformational quarterback.

984
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: I think that that ship has sailed already. They're still out.

985
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: They still believe those.

986
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 2: People, those words. Some folks can't.

987
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 5: They still have the John Elway and Andrew Look comparison

988
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 5: in their mind. It's in their vision now. With Liam Cohen,

989
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:35,480
Speaker 5: I guess the moon.

990
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: I guess it's possible, But I just I feel like

991
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, this is.

992
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: The year for him, right, Like, if he doesn't do

993
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: it this.

994
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 4: Year, it's now.

995
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they've they've they've committed to him for real.

996
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 3: But like, if it doesn't happen this year, I think

997
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 3: everyone's going to be like.

998
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is what he is?

999
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: No, you mean in fantasy? Yeah, probably.

1000
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: I've kind of like, I I don't I don't think he

1001
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 3: has a ton of upside, but I could. He's one

1002
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 3: of those guys that there's a big group of guys

1003
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 3: like this, I think that could volume their way to

1004
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 3: a QB one finish. I don't think he's ever gonna

1005
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 3: blow you away, but it wouldn't surprise me if at

1006
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,439
Speaker 3: the end of the year he's in that like QB

1007
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 3: ten or eleven in total points, just because the offense

1008
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,000
Speaker 3: he's in and the weapons around him.

1009
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's certainly possible, and I think

1010
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: he could be. I think he could be a QB one.

1011
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: I think I think that's certainly possible for him.

1012
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 5: But the hype that I'm talking about is it's strapped

1013
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 5: and attached to Brian Thomas Junior. I mean, look, I

1014
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 5: have no problem him going in the second round, early

1015
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 5: second round, but we're seeing him go as high as

1016
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 5: like the one ten over Nico, over guys in debate

1017
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 5: like Drake London. Like, I feel as though there's more

1018
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 5: risks in that pick of having that hype put him

1019
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 5: that high, where I could just sit and get a

1020
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:50,520
Speaker 5: Drake London and feel a lot more.

1021
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: Safe for saying, man AJ Brown should be going ahead

1022
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: of all these guys aj n exactly.

1023
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well, but I think part of the

1024
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 1: reason I said Brian Thomas though, is because I have

1025
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: I've drafted.

1026
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 4: Quite a bit of Drake London, for sure. I've drafted

1027
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 4: a decent amount of A J.

1028
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:05,960
Speaker 3: Brown.

1029
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, it means not hiding it. So like I

1030
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 1: kind of want to balance that out though, right if

1031
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: I've got London, I've got Brown, I kind of want

1032
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: to balance that out and throw some BTJ in there.

1033
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 4: I've got a little bit of that too.

1034
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: I mean, look, everything comes from around, everything keeps coming

1035
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: to Lad. I mean, you know, sure Trey Harris is there,

1036
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,959
Speaker 1: but you know, Michael Williams, Oh, come on, Florida.

1037
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 2: Don't do that.

1038
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 4: Don't do that.

1039
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 2: It's not against him.

1040
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 3: It's like you gotta you gotta be there, right like

1041
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 3: you gotta sign and play.

1042
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 5: And I'm not against I've said this before here. I'm

1043
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 5: not against Ladd being your wide receiver too in draft.

1044
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:51,880
Speaker 5: But if you're waiting and you go running back in

1045
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 5: the first round for him the b you're one, You're

1046
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,919
Speaker 5: going to be hurting. That's all I'm going to say.

1047
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 5: We're in a Greg Roman offense. His peaks of Fantasy

1048
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 5: wide receivers Ammy Watkins wide receiver fifteen and that is

1049
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 5: in a good offense.

1050
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 3: But was better than that last year.

1051
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 2: Okay, some more.

1052
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 5: Games right there, There was more games at it. So

1053
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 5: we're adding more games, but gets more games. But but

1054
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 5: listen to what I'm saying is that we're going into

1055
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 5: this season thinking we're going to see what we saw

1056
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:20,839
Speaker 5: on the back end. It's going to be a run

1057
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 5: first offense. It's a low pass time. He's not going

1058
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 5: to hit those ceilings that everybody is projecting for him.

1059
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 5: That's just my standpoint where I'm sitting at.

1060
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:30,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, except it's just getting harder to figure out where

1061
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: those other targets go. Like who absorbs all those other targets.

1062
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's Trey Harris, but with nobody. I'm

1063
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: out on the Johnston trend. I'm beaten, you folks. Target

1064
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: share charge of social media is trying to make us

1065
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: believe in QJ again.

1066
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 5: You see, it's being forced down our throat and here

1067
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 5: it is that.

1068
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 3: Is that means good things for.

1069
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 2: No one can guard.

1070
00:48:55,800 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just the way, no matter how you

1071
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: spin it, it keeps coming back.

1072
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: To Ladd it does. He keeps coming back.

1073
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 3: I'm gonna buy a lad McConkie's shirt of some kind

1074
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 3: just for this podcast.

1075
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,120
Speaker 5: I actually have zero shares of him that I'm looking

1076
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 5: right now.

1077
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: Andrew lad McConkie could be his year.

1078
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 8: Who knows, he would not be nearly if he went

1079
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 8: if he was just like Andy McConkey, Like, now, yeah,

1080
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,000
Speaker 8: Andy McConkie is not getting drafted.

1081
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: Andy McConkie is a kicker.

1082
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:28,839
Speaker 2: That's my friend.

1083
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: Has a theory that in fantasy sports, players with cool

1084
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 3: names get hyped up more.

1085
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: They do interesting theory. We should look into that. We

1086
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: actually into the cool name theory.

1087
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 4: It's not a name well you know, that's all it

1088
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 4: needs to be.

1089
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,080
Speaker 2: Though.

1090
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: We live in a world where athletes get nicknames based

1091
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: on their first initial and the first part of.

1092
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:51,919
Speaker 2: Their last name.

1093
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Speaker 3: So Juju was always his go to example, Like he

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Speaker 3: was like yo, if he's John Smith earlier in fantasy.

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Speaker 1: You're I mean, I mean, look when Michael James changed

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Speaker 1: to Mike James, like it just he started dropping punts.

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Speaker 4: It was bad, Like Michael James didn't do that.

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Speaker 2: Mike has no. No, you can't go by that.

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Speaker 4: No, it's just terrible.

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Speaker 2: You can't do that.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's a good spot for us to end

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Speaker 1: this episode. We appreciate you hanging out with us. Of course,

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Speaker 1: here on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, they happy, saving Healthy,

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Speaker 1: do good, and live well. Back with you on Thursday

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Speaker 1: for a live edition of the Cheat Cheet check it

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Speaker 1: out at one pm Eastern ten am Pacific. Thanks again

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Speaker 1: for hanging out with us for the rest of you.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy the week, everybody. We'll talk to you again on Thursday.

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Speaker 2: Wo