1 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: As a guide and hunter, I've spent thousands of days 2 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: in the field. This show is about translating my hard 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,599 Speaker 1: won experiences into tips and tactics. They'll get you closer 4 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: to your ultimate goal success in the field. I'm Remy Warren. 5 00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: This is cutting the Distance. Welcome back to the podcast. Everyone. 6 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: It's November. It's prime ruts coming on for a lot 7 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: of people. Deer hunting starting to kick off. Some of 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: the best time of year to chase gear is now 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: and I get really excited about that. Last week on 10 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: the podcast, we were talking about gear and going over 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: a little bit of gear. So now we're gonna switch 12 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: gears and answer your questions on this week's mail sack. 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: So far, I've already had a great season, been guiding 14 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: l ot of l hunters. Last week we had five 15 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: hunters in camp, killed five bull and one guy had 16 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: a deer tag as well, So and a deer. You 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: can't ask for anything better. Um, I don't know if 18 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: you've heard that shot. I've got some guys here sighting 19 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: in their rifles, so if you hear some random shooting 20 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: throughout this it's I'm not a war correspondent. I'm just 21 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: a lowly hunting guide here and trying to record a 22 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: podcast in between taking people out. So we're gonna jump 23 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: into it right now. We've got questions that need answered, 24 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: but first let's go to some testimonials. First message comes 25 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: from Ryan. He says, hey, Man, wanted to say a 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: quick thank you my whole life, I've had the itch 27 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: to make the transition from white tail hunting on my 28 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: family's farm to western big game hunting, but with not 29 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,759 Speaker 1: knowing anyone who does the seemingly daunting task of taking 30 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: the first steps I always put off. However, since listening 31 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: to your podcast, it has given me a truly incredible 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: amount of information and has finally pushed me over the 33 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: edge to start the journey. So I wanted to pass 34 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: along encourage you because what you're doing is incredible. I 35 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 1: appreciate that, Ryan, and thank you so much for all 36 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: the other people that sent out messages um for encouragement 37 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: and just saying how how much the podcasts helped you 38 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: kind of get out there. Uh. Lot of a lot 39 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: of success testimonials this week as well. This one comes 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: from Bridger Smith. He says, listen to all your podcasts 41 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: this summer and fall love the tactics called in my 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: first archery bowl. Thanks for the inspiration and it's a 43 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: great bowl. Good work, Bridger. This one's from Jeff Miller. 44 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: He says I was chasing a larger buck in the 45 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: area for a few weeks, but he did what big 46 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: mealies do, disappear after nearly walking the dog into the ground. 47 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: I couldn't help myself on this buck. Kept checking the 48 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: pockets and it paid off. Thanks for the advice for 49 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: staying persistent and thick, hard to hunt areas, Jeff with 50 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: a good nice typical four by four meal dere Awesome work, 51 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,560 Speaker 1: Jeff is up. Yeah, Yeah, that's a great buck. Last 52 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: testimonial comes from Brian so Well. He says, ended up 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: taking this bull using some of your tactics on your podcast. 54 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: This is a bull I've ever harvested General Tag in 55 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 1: Montana and it is a giant six by six So Brian, congratulations. 56 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: Listening to the podcast pays off. I can the proof 57 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: is in the putting. I don't know if this is putting, 58 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: but I've been getting message after message of guys sending 59 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: me something saying this is the first elk I've taken. 60 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: This is for the biggest bull I've taken using this tactic, 61 00:03:21,639 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 1: so thank everyone out there. Thank you guys for sending 62 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: in those testimonials. The pictures I really enjoy. I'm like 63 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: to always read a few here. Um, and now we'll 64 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: go into a few questions. Maybe some of their testimonies 65 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: will pop up. I got these questions on just on 66 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: my phone, so we'll start running through some of your 67 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: questions here and we'll get into it. Since last week 68 00:03:43,600 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: was a Gear episode, I did get quite a few 69 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: questions on Gear, let's start with this. One's question comes 70 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: from Dave. He says, hey, remy love the podcast, please 71 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: do a moose hunting episode. I've got a lot of 72 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 1: requests for that, so I'll probably be in the in 73 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: the works. Here says my question for this week's Q 74 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: and eight is how do you stay comfortable hiking in 75 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: wet environments? If I'm marching up hill, I overheat and 76 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: the rain gear makes it that much hotter. How do 77 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: you keep cool and comfortable when it's too wet to 78 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: take off outer layers? How do you layer to hunt 79 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 1: in wet weather? Um? And he's say in PS. When 80 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:16,720 Speaker 1: I say wet, I think coastal blacktail moose swamps wet. 81 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: So that's a great question. When I'm in like really 82 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: wet country, I know it's gonna be wet from sun 83 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 1: up till dark, or even if I know it's like 84 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: hey it's it's probably not gonna let up, or it's 85 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,160 Speaker 1: I'm starting out maybe just rained all night, and I 86 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,720 Speaker 1: know it's gonna start out start out wet, and I 87 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna be hiking. I actually, we'll just wear 88 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: my rain gear and um, I won't put it over 89 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: like pants or something like that. So I'll have my 90 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: rain gear on and if it's cold, I'll through thermals 91 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: and then rain gear. So just be like a bass 92 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: layer shirt, rain jacket, and it'll be um, maybe thermal 93 00:04:50,800 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: pants and rain pants. I've even just gone rain pants 94 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: nothing else, um, well underwear and keep from the chaffin. 95 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: But um, I found like, actually that's the best way 96 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: because it kind of stays cool. Now, what I will 97 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,360 Speaker 1: do too, is like if it's not raining but it's 98 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: just like wet country, I can then often vent my 99 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: pants and a lot of times what I'll do is 100 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: I'll wear like rain gear and then I'll put some 101 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: gators over the top of that give it a little 102 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: bit more protection keep it from dripping into my boots 103 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: and other things. So I'll put my rain gear on 104 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 1: and then my gators over the top of that, and 105 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 1: then um, and then I can, you know, use the 106 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: zips to regulate my body temperature. So even when I've 107 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: got just very light and I'm hiking, I'll start to 108 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: unzip the jacket if it's not raining, if it's just 109 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: like wet country where everything kind of seems wet now 110 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: when it's raining and everything else, the only way your 111 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 1: rain gear is gonna work is if it's tight. So 112 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: I always one thing to think about. Just added info 113 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: here is when you've got your rain gear on, use 114 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: your hood. Like if the hood's not up, the rain 115 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: gear is not gonna work if your wrists straps aren't, 116 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: you know, Like I tighten it around my wrists as well, 117 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: so the water doesn't run down, and then you know, 118 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: don't obviously keep your hands down or what ever in 119 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: your pockets. One thing I also don't like to do 120 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: in wet weather. One little secret I've got is I'll 121 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: put handwarmers in my pocket and then I won't wear 122 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: gloves because when my hands get wet, then the gloves 123 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: get wet, and I just would rather just in wet 124 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: weather put my hands in my pockets to warm them 125 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: up with those handwarmers and then keep them from my 126 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: gloves getting soaked. But the layering system that I do 127 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: in really wet country is I just go straight up 128 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: rain gear. It's waterproof, it's breathable, and the breathing works 129 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 1: a lot better when you don't have two layers on 130 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: underneath it. So I just go base layer or light 131 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: layer underneath or no layer underneath, and then rain gear, 132 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: and if I get cold, they just start moving. Um. 133 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: It feels pretty good. I've been in some you know, 134 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: even when it's a little bit warmer out walking through 135 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 1: that cool wet water with just the rain gear on, 136 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: it almost feels it's just kind of like feels pretty cool, 137 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: especially if you don't have base layer on underneath it. 138 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: So it just goes straight. Rain gear keeps your base dry. 139 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: And then if I've got um, if it dries out 140 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, I could have my other stuff in my 141 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: pack and then just swap it on layer change it out. 142 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: So once it gets dry and say it's not raining 143 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 1: room and it dries out during the daytime, then I'll 144 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: swap out. If I need a jacket, then I'll swap 145 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:13,680 Speaker 1: out the rain jacket for say, like a soft shell jacket. 146 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: And that's the way that I like to layer in 147 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: really wet places. But like I said on the Gear podcast, 148 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: you know start out cool. This is a good one. 149 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: This one comes from Ricardo. He says, hello, Remy, I 150 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: just listened to your latest podcast about rule number one 151 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: don't leave anything on the ground, and I laughed hysterically. 152 00:07:31,880 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: I'm currently driving to the bow shop because I left 153 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: my bow on the ground and ran over my bow 154 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: with my truck. That tip hit my soul. Have a 155 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 1: great day. Thanks. That's um, that's very unfortunate. I I 156 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: have once run over a spotting scope and I know 157 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: I feel the pain man And it was on a 158 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: CU's deer hunt and a long way away from anywhere, 159 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: and I actually the spotting scope still operated, but the 160 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: tripod was destroyed. So um, and that still wouldn't hit 161 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: as hard as a boss Man bummer. But also a 162 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: testimonial of don't leave stuff on the ground rule number one. Alright, 163 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: This next question says, hey, Remy, love the content. When's 164 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: that ELK video coming out on the big end. Anyway, 165 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: I was gonna take uh my little brother in law 166 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: on a mule deer hunt. I have a two two 167 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: three he can use with sixty four green soft tips. 168 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: Would that be reasonable to shoot one within a hundred yards? 169 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: If so, what shot would you take? High shoulder or 170 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: just the sweet vital shot. That's a great question. So 171 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: the first part the big Elk video is actually good timing. 172 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: Is actually out today, so you can go over to 173 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: uh you can find it through go on my Instagram page. 174 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 1: I've got a link to it there, or the Made 175 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: with Meat YouTube channel. It'll be there, and then I 176 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: will also on my YouTube channel put it on a playlist, 177 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: so if you follow my YouTube channel, you can go 178 00:08:57,960 --> 00:08:59,680 Speaker 1: there and it'll make it easy to find, you know, 179 00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: play list there that big that my largest bull um 180 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: got the video edit done. It's ready and I think 181 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: it turned out pretty dang sweet. So hopefully everyone goes 182 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: over there and checks that out. Okay, so now on 183 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: to hunting with the two two three sixty four green 184 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: bullets soft tip. You know, I'm a big proponent of 185 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: not overgunning people that are specially smaller. So he says, here, 186 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: your little brother in law um, the two two three. Yes, 187 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: you can absolutely kill a meal deer with the two 188 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 1: two three. How do I know because in New Zealand 189 00:09:33,800 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: I have shot red deer which are about the size 190 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: of elk with two two three's. Um. We actually used 191 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:42,720 Speaker 1: to meet shoot with them as well, like shooting commercial 192 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: meat shooting. But on that we would do all head shots. Um. However, 193 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: I have seen like taking kids or whatever and taking 194 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: a pretty large animals with triple two's two two three, 195 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: So um, yeah, absolutely possible. I would I would definitely 196 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,520 Speaker 1: probably say stay away from the shoulder because I've found 197 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 1: animals that we've taken later on with small caliber bullets 198 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: in the shoulder. So I would just go with the 199 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 1: sweet vital shot. Um. You know, it's a good bonded 200 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: type bullet would be best. I would say, there there 201 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: is a lot of like you know in two three 202 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,719 Speaker 1: you can get some really like more frangible rounds. I 203 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: would definitely get a more hunting built round for it. Uh, 204 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: and that just you know, just kind of think about 205 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: that when you're looking at it. There's there is a 206 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: difference in the price of the box. UM, but yep, 207 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: a good soft point um would probably work fine. Just 208 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: something that it depends where you're at, but UM, you 209 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,959 Speaker 1: know if you can use you know, a bonded soft 210 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: point or something like that, UM, get one that's designed 211 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: for hunting, and it will absolutely be plenty of gun 212 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: and you won't overgun your brother in law. So I 213 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: think that that's a great option and go for it. 214 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: Because she says, Hey, Rebby, in regards to late season 215 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: spot and stalking me with your hunt, what do you 216 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: do when the bucks spend very little time in one spot, 217 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: typically either chasing a dough uh that's hot or on 218 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: a dos centrail, particularly in those spots where the stock 219 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: can be long and arduous. Tim from BC, that's a 220 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: great question. So many of the places you're hunting, if 221 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: you if you can hunt that late rut season, especially 222 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 1: when it comes to pre rut, bucks are cruising and 223 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: you might see a buck three four miles away and 224 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: he's just moving. He's on that trail, or like you said, 225 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: he gets into a zone where he gets a hot 226 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: dough and it's it's cruise city. In those kind of scenarios, 227 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: it can be really hard to get on the deer 228 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 1: that you're trying to watch. So I do a couple 229 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: of different things. I mean, one thing is you can 230 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: keep watching and see where he goes. Or you can say, okay, 231 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: how can I cut this deer off and get into 232 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: that particular zone. Um, there is kind of this thought 233 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 1: of you might not catch that buck that you see. Uh, 234 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: And so what I would like to do is like, 235 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: if I'm seeing a lot of crew sing bucks, I 236 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: almost would put myself into a position where they tend 237 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 1: to be cruising through. More often than not, you'll notice, 238 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: like there might be a place in the mountain where 239 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,120 Speaker 1: you're looking and watching over and you can see all 240 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: this country, which is really good for spotting, but it's 241 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: not good for putting yourself into a position for that stock. Now, 242 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: I tend to prefer to cover more country with my eyes, 243 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 1: So I probably picked that spot where hey, I'm watching 244 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: cruising deer, but I'm gonna pick that spot with the 245 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: hopes that I'm catching that deer that can that will stop. 246 00:12:30,200 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: I had a similar experience with this just a couple 247 00:12:32,240 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: of days ago. Spotted a good buck. I was like, 248 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:38,439 Speaker 1: he's cruising. But then I looked over and saw a 249 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: pocket of doze. So I just watched. I was like, 250 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: all right, I'm just gonna go. You know, if if 251 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 1: I was I actually didn't have a tag, I was 252 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 1: just scouting for clients. But it's like, all right, if 253 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: I had a tag, I would just go to that 254 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: pocket and see what happened. And sure enough, later on 255 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: that buck hit that pocket and started doing is like 256 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: hot laps around those doughs checking them. Also, if I 257 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: would have made that stock and moved of that pocket, 258 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: the wind was good. You know, I've seen those doughs 259 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: downwind of him and knew that he's cruising and he's 260 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: gonna stop when he sees those dough So understanding where 261 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: those dough pockets are can help you pinpoint a deer 262 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: that's gonna slow down. Um. That's one way to think 263 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,720 Speaker 1: about it. Another way is, um, you know, if you've 264 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: got like a buck that's chasing a hot dough, kind 265 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 1: of going back to that, Like if he runs that 266 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: hot dough off, sometimes they'll go for miles, but many 267 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: times that dough is gonna try everything she can to 268 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: kind of get back to that group, and so kind 269 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: of getting back once again, kind of stalking the does 270 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: and then using that as the magnet to attract the 271 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: bucks might be your best bet. Another option is just 272 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: watching that deer. Many times I'll see a cruising buck 273 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: and he'll be cruising, cruising, cruising, like seems like he 274 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 1: doesn't stop, and then he hits up an area and 275 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: he just stands there for thirty minutes or whatever. Once 276 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: that deer hits that standing point, you might think, Okay, 277 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: now I can make my move. So it can be difficult, 278 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,559 Speaker 1: but there are things that kind of slow them down, 279 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: and so I try to focus on those things and 280 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 1: then make my move based on that. Otherwise I kind 281 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: of set up and do my glassing in an area 282 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: where it's like, okay, this is a high concentration of 283 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 1: where they might be moving. I'm looking over a lot 284 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: of country, but when you see one here, you can 285 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: make a quick move. And there's been many times during 286 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: the rut that my stock is not a slow stock. 287 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: It is an absolute all out run and uh. And 288 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: then just trying to get set up with rifle hunt, 289 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: you know, get set up maybe where I still got 290 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: a good view, but I like shooting across the canyon 291 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: or something like that. So that's kind of your options. 292 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: Questions comes from Kent. He says, sorry if you stay 293 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: this before in your podcast, But being from Texas, I've 294 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: never had the chance to do a true backcountry hunt 295 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: and want to next season for ELK. I know that 296 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: doing public land requires getting back further and farther than usual. 297 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: What would you recommend to make it easier, especially with 298 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: getting a bull out, taking two friends, or trying to 299 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: find a location allows something like an e bike. Uh, 300 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I mean, here's the thing. I 301 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: wouldn't even consider those things mutually exclusive. I do when 302 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I hunt elk. I never Maybe this is the wrong 303 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: way to think about, because I've done it a lot, 304 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: Like I don't even know I've probably packed out. I 305 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: couldn't even count the amount of elk that I've packed 306 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: out or animals um in the thousands. And I have 307 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 1: this philosophy that it's like I never think about how 308 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: I mean, not that you shouldn't be prepared for it, 309 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: but I'm like, I never choose a place worried about 310 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: the pack out. I just hunt and then get the 311 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: animal out afterwards. And it's just always a pain in 312 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: the ask, but it's just part of it, you know. 313 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: So one thing that I would say is like it's 314 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 1: it's a good idea to be prepared to pack it out, 315 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: and especially on your first one, having some people with 316 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: you is never a bad thing, I would say if 317 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: it's your first trip, either way, the having a couple 318 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: of extra people is going to make it a lot easier. 319 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 1: Like you can you can share in the toil, you 320 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: can share in the experience. UM absolutely take to people 321 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: with you. Now, I'm saying that to say that having 322 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: an hunting an area where it's like, hey, I've I've 323 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: got the option to take an e bike in or 324 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: whatever can be part of your hunt plan that doesn't 325 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: necessarily have to involved like be saying well, I'm either 326 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: going to take the e bike or I'm going to 327 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: take two friends. You can do both. But if you 328 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: have the two people, no matter where you get the elk, 329 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: you've got help packing it out so you can go 330 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: back as far and then you can hunt with that 331 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: mindset of not worrying about how I'm going to get 332 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: it out, but hunt and then get it out. And 333 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: you just got to know that that work is going 334 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: to be involved. Now, I know people are probably saying like, well, 335 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: you gotta make sure you can't shoot something where you 336 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:25,840 Speaker 1: can't get it out. That's absolutely true, so you wouldn't 337 00:16:25,880 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: want to go beyond your limits. But having those two 338 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: people you won't have to think about it, is what 339 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like you can just go out and hunt 340 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 1: and you know that you'll be able to get it back. 341 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: And so I like that option. I also like the 342 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,120 Speaker 1: idea of like, hey, it's never a bad idea to 343 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: you know, find find other ways to access areas. So 344 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: if it's you know, hiking in on a logging road 345 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: where you can go like, okay, I can get in 346 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: here and then access the ass Arian and bush whack 347 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: up here. Great. You know, if you can use an 348 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: e bike greade like that part doesn't matter. That's just 349 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: more of like the hunt strategy and planning, like how 350 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: you're going to get into the area, areas you're going 351 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: to look into access. But if it's your first trip, 352 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: I would just say take a couple of guys with you, 353 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: have a good time. It's a little bit safer that way, 354 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 1: like you can you know, it might keep you a 355 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: more motivated to hunt harder if it's the guys with 356 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: kind of like a like mindset, and you know, if 357 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: everybody's got a tag to it might give you more 358 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: opportunity to experience like a successful harvest and a pack out. 359 00:17:18,440 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: If if everybody's got tags and maybe they split up, 360 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: and then you come back to camp and you're however 361 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna do it. It's never a bad thing to have. 362 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: Um some help. I remember many years ago I was 363 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: doing a solo hunt and then my buddy Mike help 364 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: me pack out, and I said, and I think one 365 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:38,879 Speaker 1: thing that I said, and that just rings true, and 366 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: pretty much every hunt is, even a solo hunter makes 367 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 1: a great team packer, Like, no matter what, if you 368 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 1: can get help packing out, take it, it's great. Question 369 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: comes from Tom says, Hey, I'm a big fan of 370 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 1: your podcast, love your content and how you break everything down. 371 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on bipods, shooting sticks or tripods? 372 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 1: Also doing my first Elate season Blacktail hunt in November 373 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,360 Speaker 1: in Washington, any tips or suggestions? So the first part, um, 374 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 1: I think all three have their place in some way 375 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,399 Speaker 1: or another when it comes to shooting. I always like 376 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: to be field ready, and I think field ready involves 377 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: being able to get steady on whatever is around. The 378 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,879 Speaker 1: first thing that I always try to get steady on 379 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: is my pack, laying down using my pack. Uh. If 380 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: you have a bipod that works, great, you just need 381 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 1: to be no matter which one you use, practice with 382 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: them all. If you're if it's gonna be something you're 383 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,479 Speaker 1: gonna hunt with, practice with it, and not necessarily just 384 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: saying like practice shooting with it at the range. That's 385 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,239 Speaker 1: kind of I mean, that's just like part of it. 386 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: But I would say that's the smallest part I would 387 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: I would much rather prefer to see people like getting 388 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: out hiking around with whatever they're gonna use, and then 389 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 1: you don't even have to shoot. Maybe it's dry fire 390 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 1: practice where you just get set up and pick something 391 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: like okay, you don't get on that fast, and see 392 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 1: which one works for you. In a lot of situations, 393 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,919 Speaker 1: bipods are very difficult to get steady with unless it's 394 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,160 Speaker 1: the right situation, I would say, out of all of them, 395 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:01,439 Speaker 1: but I throw iPod on many times. And when you 396 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 1: use a bipod and have the right set set up, 397 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,360 Speaker 1: it's probably the most steady thing you can get. Now, 398 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: if you have shooting sticks, it can get you a 399 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:12,359 Speaker 1: little bit higher up so you can get above some 400 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: of the brush and grass. It's not going to be 401 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,199 Speaker 1: a steady as being proned out on your packer on 402 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: the bipod. But um, shooting sticks kind of give you 403 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: that upper hand of still being steady while maybe being 404 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: more advantageous to different, uh say, hunting scenarios I like 405 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 1: as opposed to shooting sticks. I actually use my treking polls. 406 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: I talked about this in the last one. But use 407 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: those treking polls as a shooting sticks that works really 408 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: well or just I mean, I do have a para 409 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:42,119 Speaker 1: shooting sticks that I bring along as well. And then tripods. Yeah, 410 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: it's like getting steady on anything you've got. So if 411 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: you've already got a tripod, there, practice getting steady on it. 412 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: The way that I use a tripod. I'll extend the legs, 413 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: put the like spotting scope down, and then set the 414 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: gun in that kind of arm between the spotting scope 415 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 1: and the tripod. The worst part about the tripod is 416 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 1: it's not super adjustable. Um. So I would say between 417 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: all three of those, the one if I was to 418 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: carry one, I would say carry shooting sticks because I 419 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: can find ways to get steady with the other without 420 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: the other two by using my pack or using the 421 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: tripod that I have. But um, shooting sticks kind of 422 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: give you that kind of in between that's a lot 423 00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: faster movement. So that's why I think on that when 424 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: it comes to late season, uh, black tail tips. You know, 425 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,640 Speaker 1: I guess it depends if you're hunting more of that 426 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,960 Speaker 1: jungle type country temperate rainforest type stuff, or if you're hunting, 427 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: you know, more open stuff. But late season is is 428 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: kind of like it's very similar to mule deer, and 429 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: I will also say very similar to white tails. Um 430 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: black tails are kind of that perfect in between where 431 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: they have those smaller home ranges, so you can pattern them. 432 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: You can use trail like you can use um waiting 433 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,719 Speaker 1: tactics like tree stands and other things on trails in 434 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: that thick country. But one thing you're gonna want to 435 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 1: focus on is definitely focused on those does. Bucks will 436 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: be more at to cruising later in the season, and 437 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: that's gonna be your best time to find deer moving around, 438 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: So don't forget to glass those clear cuts, those openings 439 00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:10,439 Speaker 1: where you can actually see and then finding that that 440 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: good sign in those trails. Probably i'd focus on like 441 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: places that deer will cruise, like actually like finger ridges 442 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: and those ridges in the timber where it's a lot 443 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: easier for them to walk around and move fast, just 444 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: like anything. You know, if if you think of a 445 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: buck's cruising looking for does he's walking along trying to 446 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: send the dough and he's going to take the easiest path. 447 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: You know, there's times where they might be in that 448 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: thicker stuff. But if they're moving around, find those trails 449 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 1: that are easy to move on where it's like, hey, 450 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: this is a natural way that I would move, um. 451 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 1: And then where it's like they can cover a lot 452 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: of country and be moving for doughs and then kind 453 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: of hunt still hunt do however, whatever your tactical hunting is, 454 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,639 Speaker 1: bush stocking, sitting, waiting, whatever, um, based on those areas 455 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: where they're going to be moving more often. This question 456 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: comes from Ivan. He says, Hey, there, I'm about to 457 00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,360 Speaker 1: go on a mule deer trip up here in BC. 458 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: What awesome coincidence. You recently did some podcasts on the topic. 459 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if you have any recommendations on calls to use. 460 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 1: Thanks when it comes to deer calls. Lately, I've been 461 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: using the Rocky Mountain game calls grunt Tube. It's got 462 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,160 Speaker 1: like this slider bar on it and so I find 463 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: it works better than the rest everything else I've tried, 464 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 1: because some of them, like the other ones i've used, 465 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 1: the kind of stick when it's cold and freeze, especially 466 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: if you're like up in BC or Northern Montana or whatever. Um, 467 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,479 Speaker 1: it's like a lot of those calls kind of freeze 468 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: up on you. And I like this slider bar because 469 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,959 Speaker 1: I can change the tone so I can go like 470 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: that more deep like deep grunt, or I can even 471 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: just do like an estrus bleat, like a kind of sound. Um. 472 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: With that same call, it's got like a great tone, 473 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,439 Speaker 1: and I think it it carries really well. I use 474 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 1: that same call for white tails meal deer. Um. I've 475 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:57,760 Speaker 1: actually even used it for big horn sheep. So I 476 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: I really like that call in particular. Um, I'm sure 477 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: you can find it online. I can't. I wish I 478 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,159 Speaker 1: knew the name of it. But it's got like this 479 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: little on it, and it somehow got like some little 480 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 1: slighter thing that's kind of I guess like a trombone slider, 481 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,760 Speaker 1: you know, But it's built into it so it changes, 482 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: it puts different pressure on the red inside the call. 483 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: That that's the one that I recommend and then when 484 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 1: it comes to rattling, I mean just anything um I've used. 485 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: I like to use like big mellier antlers. Sometimes sometimes 486 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: I use just shoulder blades that I've taken off of 487 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: something dried out. Sometimes I use like a rattling bag 488 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: or whatever, just something that's easy. I found that the 489 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: like plastic rattling antlers, uh, don't really work that well 490 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: in the cold. Like I've had them break a lot. 491 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: Maybe it's because I I tend like they're outside a 492 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: lot or something. I don't know. I've got a lot 493 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,160 Speaker 1: of those break um, so I've kind of got away 494 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,880 Speaker 1: from those. But um, any kind of like small rattling 495 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: back there's like this shoot, It's like this little rattling 496 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: box that I've used worked, okay. Seems like just sometimes 497 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: bringing a set of meal deer sheds seems to be 498 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:06,400 Speaker 1: like the best or deer sheds for white tails amuled there? 499 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: All right? This question comes from Scott says here, emmy, 500 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: just listen to your latest podcast about gear. I was 501 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,399 Speaker 1: surprised to hear you like the smaller spotting scope. Me 502 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: and my buddies utilize a pair of ten by fourty 503 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: two bonos and twenty five or thirty magnification rifle scope 504 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: depending on setup, and bring a sixty five millimeter spotter. 505 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: What's your thoughts on that setup? So here's my thought 506 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: on that. The first one, the ten by fourty two 507 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: by nos awesome, the sixty five millimeter spotter great, the 508 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,440 Speaker 1: twenty to thirty magnification rifle scope. I would never use 509 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 1: a rifle scope for spotting glass, NG verifying anything. Um. 510 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: I just don't think it's good practice. And I mean 511 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: that's and I and I also don't think it's like 512 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: a very great tool for verification. Like, yeah, you get 513 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: a little bit more magnification whatever, but you're just better 514 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: off like using your binoculars and your spotting scope. UM. 515 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,200 Speaker 1: I have been in the field and like had people 516 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: like walked up on people that don't even have binoculars 517 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: and they just use their rifle scope to verify something. 518 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: That's absolutely unacceptable. I mean, I'm not saying that that's 519 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: what you're doing. Maybe you're like, oh, it's a deer, 520 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 1: and maybe it's something you can legally shoot out, but 521 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: I am so anal about gun safety that that gun, 522 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 1: whether unloaded, whether the bolts out, whether it's anything, should 523 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: never be pointed at anything that you don't intend to 524 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,679 Speaker 1: shoot at any time ever. And so like there's been 525 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,640 Speaker 1: times where I've been walking down the trail someone sees 526 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: movement and I've they've got their gun point at me, 527 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, that freaks me out and I get 528 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: pretty piste off and I and I let them know 529 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:44,199 Speaker 1: about it. Um. I've seen people glassing other people with 530 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: rifles across the ridge. You're glassing, you know, like using 531 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: rifles to to look at things, And it's like that 532 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: should never be a way that you do anything ever. Um, 533 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: And I think that just bears repeating of Like I mean, 534 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: whether that's how you use it or not doesn't really matter, 535 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,440 Speaker 1: or I just think it's like something good to talk about. Um, 536 00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: That we have rifle scopes for shooting the gun and 537 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: that's what it should be for. We have binoculars for 538 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: glassing and finding animals. We have a spotting scope to 539 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: zoom in and verify. So if you've got the spotting scope, 540 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 1: just use that and just use the binoculars now. UM, 541 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: I would much rather carry the weight of a large 542 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: spotting scope than use plan on using a rifle scope 543 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: to check something. So that's my thought. On that. I 544 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: think the binoculars are great. I think the spotting scope 545 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: is good. Um, and it's also you know, having that 546 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: spotting scope for a little bit extra verifications awesome. Now, 547 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,400 Speaker 1: if it's something you're lining up to shoot and you're like, oh, 548 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: there's a good buck, I've got a tag for it, 549 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: I might want to shoot it, and you're using the 550 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: rifle scope to check it out, see if you get 551 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 1: ready to get your shot. Whatever, That's all cool, but 552 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,640 Speaker 1: never use the you know you never I never think 553 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: of using a scope as a more verification on something 554 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 1: because we have better tools for that. This question says, hey, 555 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 1: big fan of your work Slash podcast. I like your 556 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,600 Speaker 1: transparency and drive. I've been hunting cues white tail in 557 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,360 Speaker 1: Arizona for about ten years. I've got three smaller ones, 558 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 1: but can't get over the hump and kill a nice wallinger. 559 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 1: I'm not even archery hunting, just can't find the big bucks. 560 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: I hunt October, which is not the most ideal time. 561 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: No ruts slash can be hot. I hunted harder last 562 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 1: week than I ever have tried to find isolated areas 563 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: of food. Water shelter than glass and makes stealthy approaches 564 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,400 Speaker 1: into high probability areas by incorporating wind sound site. I'm 565 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,159 Speaker 1: not sure what I'm doing wrong. I used told by 566 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 1: fifty vipers. Is the buy not too cheap to hunt effectively? 567 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: I spot deer at a thousand yards, but couldn't tell 568 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,560 Speaker 1: if they were bucks. Granted, I'm sure if it was 569 00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: a monster buck I probably would have noticed. Anyways, I'm 570 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: not pure trophy hunter. I just like the meat, but 571 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: at some point would really like to get on a 572 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: big public land cues. Thanks for your time, Danny. That's 573 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: that's a great question. I do love hunting the cues bucks. 574 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: And I will say this, so we were just actually 575 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:01,360 Speaker 1: talking about spotting scopes. I on accused deer hunt. That's 576 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: a that's a hunt that I take a good spotting 577 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 1: scope on. UM. I glass with it, I get, I 578 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: use it for verification. UM. You know, seeing those deer 579 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,480 Speaker 1: two thousand yards, you've got to be able to zoom 580 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: in tight because during that October season, those bucks are 581 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 1: not moving and uh, you know what what you see 582 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes you've got to be able to get really tight 583 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: in that, like cover in that where they're hanging out 584 00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 1: in those holes that they live in and really really 585 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: pick it apart, like inch by inch, because I've seen 586 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,199 Speaker 1: the best bucks I see that time of year. It's um, 587 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: it's really really picking the country apart and being able 588 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: to zoom and say, Okay, that's what I'm looking for. 589 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 1: That's that's a good buck. Sometimes even just zooming in 590 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: on something that might not be a good buck and 591 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 1: you'll find a good buck. Now. I will also say 592 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: in full transparency, if you want to kill a big 593 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: cus dear during that October timeframe, but you're only I 594 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: guess quote unquote looking for them in October, then you're 595 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: doing yourself in justice. The way that you would kill 596 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: a big cous deer is by putting in more time 597 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,239 Speaker 1: outside of that hardest time to find them. So if 598 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: you're if you're like, I mean that to say that, 599 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: to kill a big cus deer buck, it's going to 600 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,160 Speaker 1: take more time outside of that October time so you 601 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: can pinpoint where that big bucks living and then when 602 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,000 Speaker 1: it's October and they're like in their holes, you know 603 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: that buck's home range. I would say that, you know, 604 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: starting out going out in January, it's gonna be like 605 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: a You're gonna have to put in a lot of 606 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: time outside of the season when you're hunting. January would 607 00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 1: be when i'd start, and I would go during the 608 00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: rut when the deer out and their cruising and whether 609 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: you're archery hunting or not, say okay, there's a big 610 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: buck here. Then I would continue that on through the 611 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: summer when they're in that velvet phase. It's hot, you know, 612 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: but you're you're gonna be able to pick them out 613 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 1: and figure out, Okay, here's where that buck's living. And 614 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: then before they kind of like in that September phase 615 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: as well. So it's gonna be kind of like a 616 00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: year round endeavor where you go out you understand and like, Okay, 617 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: this area has a high population of big bucks. I 618 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: see them here. I'm they're running, you know, as long 619 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: as it's on area where they're transitional, moving from like 620 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 1: a big high mountain down to the low stuff during 621 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: the rut, and say like, okay, here's a here's the 622 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: area that these bucks are in. I know that there's 623 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: a big book there, because you don't you gotta be 624 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: in an area where big bucks live to shoot a 625 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,200 Speaker 1: big buck. Start number one, so you're gonna find them 626 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: when it's the easiest time to find them January, then 627 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna go back and try to like pinpoint that 628 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: deer because what coups do you do is they actually 629 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: have a fairly small home range, Like you might even 630 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: find that that buck in September, like when he's out more. 631 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 1: You just find that buck and you're like, Okay, he 632 00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: likes to bed here, he likes to bed there, he 633 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: likes this kind of canyon sweet. And then when that 634 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: October time comes, like when it's the hardest to find 635 00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: these bucks, when there's a lot of people out, when 636 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: they're pressured, you're like, you can go and you can 637 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 1: really just get in that spotting scipe, get in those 638 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: binos and just pick it apart because you know that 639 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: you're spending your time looking in an area where that 640 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: buck probably is, and you can really focus in on 641 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: that that thick cover kind of stuff, and then you 642 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 1: can you know, hopefully pull out that buck that you've 643 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: already located and know like this is where he's at, 644 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,239 Speaker 1: this is his zone. Now I just got to find him. 645 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:14,920 Speaker 1: And I would say that that's going to be the 646 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: way that you're gonna be most successful taking a big 647 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 1: cus deer during that time of year, and the same 648 00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: goes for I mean really anything big meal dear can 649 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: be like that as long as they're super transitional. If 650 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: it's more of like a buck that has a home 651 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: range and they're you know, they don't cruise a big distance, 652 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: but cuse dear, they've got like I would say, a 653 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,600 Speaker 1: mile radius maybe two mile radius that they like and 654 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,479 Speaker 1: that's their zone. And so if you can pick them 655 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 1: out in the summer and then kind of learn that 656 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: buck zone even year after year, you're gonna just start 657 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: like you're gonna start rolling into big buck after big 658 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: buck by just knowing that area so well and knowing 659 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,280 Speaker 1: where those deer are before the season starts. The question 660 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: I actually really like because it hits home for me. 661 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 1: Um let's tell a little story here in a second, 662 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: but comes from NICKI says, Hey, remmy, how a mountain 663 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: lion take a deer just yards from the house. They 664 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 1: have been getting too bold over the past decade, but 665 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 1: especially in the last couple of years. As you are 666 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: well aware, options for hunting lions in organ are limited, 667 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: but most of our lion trail camp photos are in daylight, 668 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: and we usually get one on camera within sixty eight weeks. 669 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: I hear that lions in this area run circuits that 670 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: can take roughly two to six weeks. I've never hunted lions, 671 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: and I'm intimidated by the idea that they might only 672 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: be coming through once every two to six weeks. What 673 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: tips do you have for lion hunting when focused on 674 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: one location? The cameras help a bit and add a 675 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: few pieces to the puzzle, but are not enough alone 676 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 1: to pattern them. Are there some rules of them for 677 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: patterning lions? Love the show? Sincerely, Some dude from a 678 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: brush patch in western Orgon h that's a that's a 679 00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:54,719 Speaker 1: great question. And I say that's a great question because 680 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: just last night I had a lion kill a buck 681 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: white tail essentially I don't know, ten ft from my cabin. 682 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: Um I could. I woke up and I was like 683 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: I heard. I'm like, jeez, what's going on? And a 684 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 1: cat killed a deer right behind me there. Um, It's 685 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: not the first encounter or first time I've had cats 686 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 1: doing the same thing. We can chase them with dogs, 687 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: but not this time of year I've had I've probably 688 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of deer killed just you know, 689 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: within a spitting distance of where I sleep so UM. 690 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 1: I think that's one of the things that I've found. 691 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: One weird thing that I found is like there they 692 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: tend to be more concentrated in the wintertime, like they've 693 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: got that smaller range, especially if it's really hard to 694 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: decide what those cats are doing where you're at, not 695 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,560 Speaker 1: knowing enough about the area. So I don't know how 696 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,000 Speaker 1: how big the property is that you've got, you know, 697 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: access to hunt, if it's just like a small neighborhood plot, 698 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: or if it's like you know, you've got public land 699 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: and then it comes in your private and they're just 700 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 1: killing the deer because they're concentrating in like your yard. 701 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: That's kind of what happens for me. So it's got 702 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: a big area where they roam, but you know, sometimes 703 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: the deer concentrate here. But also got some really thick stuff. 704 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: Tend to find that they the cats seem to be 705 00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: like clustered up in some of this stuff. Certain times 706 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 1: a year. Um, they do move through, but it's also 707 00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: crazy how tight they'll hold sometimes. I guess really the 708 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: number one thing I would do is if you've got 709 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,799 Speaker 1: to kill, um, you can hunt off that kill or 710 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,120 Speaker 1: like hunt the cat as he's coming and going to 711 00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: the kill. Another option is waiting for snow. If you 712 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: can't hunt with dogs and you can't do whatever, your 713 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,439 Speaker 1: only options spot in stock then tracking him yourself. I've 714 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,080 Speaker 1: actually walked down quite a few cats myself. Um. You know, 715 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,759 Speaker 1: generally they jump up pretty close. You could use I'd 716 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: have maybe two different types of ways of shooting, like 717 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: a shotgun or something if it jumps up and runs 718 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 1: because it's kind of the brush a little bit um 719 00:34:56,800 --> 00:35:00,000 Speaker 1: or you know, just going slow and glassing as well, 720 00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: but waiting for that fresh snow, cutting that track, then 721 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 1: following it. As far as finding the pattern, it would 722 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,359 Speaker 1: be really tough to do unless you have more information. UM. 723 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: But I will say one thing I have noticed is 724 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: I find a pattern not necessarily in like looking because 725 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: I've got the same thing where it's like I know 726 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: that these cats are coming through certain times, And what 727 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: I do is I just keep all the data in 728 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,319 Speaker 1: one spot and then I go and look back, and 729 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: it's almost it's like crazy, how within the day or 730 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 1: two days it's like this certain time cats start coming through, 731 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: and you can kind of look year to year, it's like, 732 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: what's this pattern overall? And sometimes You've got to kind 733 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: of just step back and say when you're trying to 734 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 1: pattern certain animals that seem kind of unpatternable, where they've 735 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: got these really big circuits, saying like, okay, well how 736 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: often is this cat coming through? But like look at 737 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: it from year to year? Is it is it coming through? 738 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,480 Speaker 1: Like and then start to piece together, like look over 739 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: historical data of what was the moon doing, then, what 740 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 1: was the weather doing, and what was was it a 741 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: dry year? Was it a wet year? Was it a 742 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: year where it's like, hey, maybe it's a really dry year. 743 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,840 Speaker 1: The dear higher concentrations, a deer on your property and 744 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: they're coming through kind of uh when there's no moon, 745 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: or they're coming through when it's a full moon. You know, 746 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: kind of deciding those kind of things and looking at 747 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: those patterns and trying to decipher, okay, well when are 748 00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: these cats moving through and when it's gonna give me 749 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,399 Speaker 1: my best opportunity to try to pinpoint where they're at 750 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: and win hunt. And that's that's what I kind of 751 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:30,440 Speaker 1: gathered from that. I got one more gear question here 752 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,480 Speaker 1: It says uh Q and a question I'm looking to 753 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: purchase my first bow. I'm looking at a one piece recurve, 754 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,600 Speaker 1: something classy and deadly. I'm expecting to spend some money 755 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,720 Speaker 1: on this, so I want to make sure I purchase 756 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: exactly what I'm looking for. My question is I'm right 757 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: handed and comfortable shooting my rifle right handed. The problem 758 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,160 Speaker 1: is I'm left eye dominant. When I shoot my buddies bow, naturally, 759 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: I shoot right handed. Should I buy a bow left 760 00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:55,680 Speaker 1: handed decater to my dominant eye and learned to overcome 761 00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: the awkwardness? Or should I buy a right handed bow 762 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,080 Speaker 1: and shoot with my less dominant I I'd really love 763 00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: your input on this big dilemma from me right now. 764 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: Thanks Remy, keep crushing, Eric. That's a great question, Eric, 765 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: I've got it, you know, if you go through a 766 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: lot of the Q and a's. I think I've answered 767 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,799 Speaker 1: this question in one form or another many times, but 768 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 1: bears repeating, Um I would I would get the one 769 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 1: left eye dominant. Um, I would shoot the bow left handed, 770 00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: especially if you haven't really started. I think for a 771 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:30,400 Speaker 1: couple of reasons. I mean, when when I talk about 772 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,359 Speaker 1: like bow shooting, you know you're shooting for your eye dominance. Well, 773 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,479 Speaker 1: shooting a rifle right handed, you're you're bringing the gun 774 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: to your right shoulder. You're controlling the weapon with your 775 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,960 Speaker 1: right hand, which makes sense, you know, you're right. I mean, 776 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: it's for your dominant eye. But it's also easier to 777 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: control the weapon if you're right handed as well. But 778 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:51,360 Speaker 1: think about shooting a pistol. You shoot a pistol with 779 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,640 Speaker 1: your right hand, why would it not be more easy 780 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,760 Speaker 1: like easier? I mean, it's it's like using your dominant 781 00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: hand to control the bow if you were left eye 782 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: dominant and right handed. It's actually not a bad thing 783 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: because you're controlling the bow with your dominant hand and 784 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,439 Speaker 1: drawing back with your non dominant hand to your non 785 00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 1: dominant eye. So in many ways, it's actually better, um 786 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,480 Speaker 1: to shoot a left handed bow or you know, to 787 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 1: your left eye dominance. Now, if you're already kind of 788 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 1: accustomed to shooting a bow the other way, it could 789 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 1: be very difficult to train yourself in which case I 790 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: don't really know the answer, you know, but you're gonna 791 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: be a lot better shot, especially um with the traditional bow, 792 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: if you can uh shoot to your dominant eye. So 793 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,839 Speaker 1: I would say that, and then as far as uh 794 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 1: gear goes on, like a solid recurve. I definitely look into. 795 00:38:42,239 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: You want like a really classy piece, go for a 796 00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,480 Speaker 1: stalker stick bow like those you make some South Cox 797 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: makes some incredible bows, so that's one to definitely check out. 798 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: That's like a piece you can pass down for generations. 799 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,840 Speaker 1: In my opinion, UM does a great job with them. 800 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,480 Speaker 1: So I've definitely look into that and I but also 801 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: I mean also think about possibly doing a takedown recurve 802 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: of some kind as well. UM. That's just my suggestion 803 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 1: because I have a one piece one and I'm like, man, 804 00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 1: it's hard to travel with, so it's nice to have 805 00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 1: a takedown, but you know, different strokes for different blokes. 806 00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:22,800 Speaker 1: Last question comes from uh Federa, says Remy love the 807 00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: podcast UM. The questions deal with hunting big mountain white 808 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,520 Speaker 1: tails out west or eastern Washington. The area hunt steep 809 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:32,759 Speaker 1: mountains with lots of ridges and draws. Is there a 810 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: mix of clear cut selective logging in dense forests? Um? 811 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,759 Speaker 1: They The first question says, I see a lot of deer, 812 00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: but almost all of them are groups of three days 813 00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,160 Speaker 1: two year lin deer? Is my area at a white 814 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 1: tailed nursery? Is there such a thing as a nursery 815 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: and if so, will bucks come to the area where 816 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: I should where should I spend my time to bag 817 00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,640 Speaker 1: a big buck? And question number two says, do you 818 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: ever use techniques like drag scene h drags, estris is, 819 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: estris calls, grunts, rattling decoys, etcetera. I want white tail 820 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: hunting out west. That is actually sorry, this was a 821 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: cented from this the wife's account, so it's from Sean. Uh, 822 00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: great question Sean um, And I'll tell you what. So 823 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,520 Speaker 1: the first thing, yes, there is such thing as a nursery. Uh, 824 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:19,080 Speaker 1: it's just kind of you know. The other thing is 825 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,600 Speaker 1: maybe the deer where you're at just um, you know, 826 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: like how do you distinguish where doughs are going to 827 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,239 Speaker 1: be from like where does and fawns are And that 828 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: can be difficult. I will say, yes, bucks will cruise 829 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: through there, but they probably won't hold. So if you're 830 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: pre rut hunting, you're definitely gonna find dear you know, 831 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,600 Speaker 1: checking those areas where there's does and fawns. Um. And 832 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: if there's a lot of doughs, then you're gonna find 833 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,000 Speaker 1: a lot more bucks. And then there if there's the 834 00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: occasional dough it's like, Okay, here's a pocket with more doughs. 835 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: It's just like anything during the rut, the does will 836 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,640 Speaker 1: attract the bucks and so hunt the dose. Uh Now, 837 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 1: question number two Calling techniques, gonna have to tune in 838 00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: because we're gonna be doing a white tailed Western white 839 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 1: tail calling episode here shortly, so check back in next week. 840 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: I think I'll do it next week, but it remains 841 00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 1: to be seen. So for the answer to question part 842 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 1: number two, if you want to know some Western white 843 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,799 Speaker 1: tail calling tactics, you're going to have to continue to 844 00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:21,400 Speaker 1: listen to the podcast. Appreciate everybody tuning in. That concludes 845 00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:24,560 Speaker 1: our mail sack for the week. Thank you guys so 846 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:27,319 Speaker 1: much for sending your questions. I appreciate every question out there. 847 00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: I hope that UM answered it and maybe somebody else 848 00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,000 Speaker 1: had that same question. So thank you guys for you know, 849 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,279 Speaker 1: stepping up being the ones that raise your hand in 850 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: class and say, hey, I got a question on this 851 00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,240 Speaker 1: because it probably helped everybody else. So I appreciate you guys. 852 00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening, tuning in, Stay tuned 853 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,839 Speaker 1: because coming up for the rest of the month, we've 854 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: got some late season tactics. Like I said, maybe some 855 00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,919 Speaker 1: white tail uh calling and rut stuff, you know, white tail. 856 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: There is a lot of white tailed deer hunting still 857 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:55,879 Speaker 1: out west, and maybe some tactics you could take back 858 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: home to wherever you live when it comes to calling deer. 859 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: So we'll stay tuned for that and best of luck everyone, 860 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 1: keep the questions coming. And how are we gonna end 861 00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: to this one? Uh? Just get out and hunt, Just 862 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: get out and hunt. H