1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:01,280 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 2 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say I learned to play drums and guitar 3 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 2: at the same time, but I just had. I'm just 4 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: a drummer that happened to pick up guitar, that happens 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: to be insane enough to think it was a good idea, you. 6 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 3: Know, on Buzz Night and welcome back to the Taking 7 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 3: a Walk Podcast. We love to talk with musicians and 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 3: just see where this conversation takes us. Now, today we've 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 3: got one that is pretty wild. It's a one man 10 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 3: musical phenomenon. He plays guitars, drums, sings simultaneously or while 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 3: wearing an open robe. 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 4: You're not gonna believe him. You're gonna love him. 13 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 3: We're gonna talk next to Jeremy Debarti, better known as 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 3: steal Beans. 15 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:50,920 Speaker 1: Taking a Walk. 16 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: Well, Jeremy Debarti, steal Beans, welcome my friend to the 17 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 3: Taking a Walk Podcast. It's an honor having you, honor. 18 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. I appreciate it. 19 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 4: This is fantastic. 20 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,919 Speaker 3: So since we call this little podcast Taking a Walk, 21 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 3: you're not going to escape our signature question here, which 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 3: is befuddled people from time to time and made them 23 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: smile from time to time. The question is, Jeremy, if 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 3: you could take a walk with somebody living or dead, 25 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 3: and no wise remarks about hey, dead people are not 26 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 3: fun to walk with. 27 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: I'm kidding who I walk with it dead every night 28 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: when I write music. 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 4: There you go, well, who would you take a walk with, 30 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 4: living or dead? And where would you take that walk 31 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 4: with him? 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 2: I'd say living. I'd walk with Steve Wynwood through like 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: an English countryside, just talk about songs and spirituality. I 34 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: think dead. It definitely the either Jappa or John Lennon, 35 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: and maybe walking through I don't know. I don't know 36 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 2: if you could walk with those guys anywhere anywhere good 37 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: wherever they choose. I don't know what to show those guys, 38 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: you know. 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, anywhere would be good. Wow, Steve Winwood, Well what 40 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: a great pick. What a guy that the legacy is 41 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: so incredible. Is there a favorite period of music of 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 3: Steve Winwood's that you can highlight? 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 2: You know what changed my life was hearing Traffic and 44 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: preem It's like where I found my voice, and so 45 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 2: Jack and Steve really like It's where I learned to 46 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: project and finally sing without hurting my voice. I would 47 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: say the Traffic era but I also love Spencer Davis group. 48 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: I love Blind Faith, and he's one of those guys 49 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: that transitioned into the production of the eighties, but the 50 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: songs were still good. I was just talking to this 51 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 2: about the younger guys of the band that Arc of 52 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 2: a Diver is fantastic, and I just hear songs I 53 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: don't hear like you know, a lot of songwriters got 54 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: into the eighties era and the production like kinda like, uh, 55 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: does the snare have to sound like that? 56 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 3: Man? 57 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: I love Steve. He's one of the best songwriters ever 58 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: for sure. 59 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 4: Oh that is so that is so special. So you 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 4: have set the world on fire. 61 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 3: Lad You've recently inked a record deal with Anderson Pack 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 3: on Ape Shit Records, and there's just been so much 63 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 3: amazing things happening. You know, I was thinking about this. 64 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: The art of branding and differentiation is so critical. Who 65 00:03:46,600 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 3: taught you this insightful way to just be unlike anybody else? 66 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 2: Well that you know it would be me with the 67 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 2: help of the small village. It takes to raise some 68 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 2: There's some people that have been major inspirations at making 69 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 2: me like all inhibitions of my imagination, like my parents, 70 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: split when I was two, and so the inner voice 71 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: and the artistic voice and the inner child, those things 72 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 2: never went away, and so I was fortunate enough to 73 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:26,160 Speaker 2: make the strengths of all those weaknesses and turn it 74 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 2: into like I'm still a child, but I'm like aging 75 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: like wine, because now I'm just refining the same thing 76 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: I've been working on for thirty five years. Like in 77 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 2: high school, I was a good drummer, but I didn't 78 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 2: know how to write songs really, you know. Eighth grade, 79 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 2: I started trying to write solids, like this is really hard. 80 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 2: All these lyrics sound lame, and I listened to like 81 00:04:54,240 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 2: Pink Floyd Overhead the Albatross he motionless upon me. I'm like, 82 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,480 Speaker 2: I'm not going to write anything that good. I should 83 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: just give up. And then I heard like a couple 84 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 2: of Zappa songs, and melodically they were so good, but 85 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: they were just not taking themselves seriously, and I was like, 86 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: all right, I can make some stuff with silly And 87 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:18,359 Speaker 2: then from then on out it was just open. I 88 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 2: could write about whatever, I could make a love song, 89 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 2: I could make a silly song. And then I'm naturally 90 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 2: like really hyper and spastic. Seeing guys like Iggy and 91 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 2: the Stooges performances or ODP or any of these people 92 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 2: that their stage presence is so just open. That made 93 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 2: me feel okay being myself and not like trying to 94 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:42,720 Speaker 2: stand still or calm my energy or anything. You know, 95 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry for the long answer. 96 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 3: Never apologize for any answer, short or long. 97 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 4: First of all, we are open to it all. 98 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: That's why I'm honored and loved doing this every day, 99 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 3: every moment, and so no apology necessary. So let's go 100 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:06,960 Speaker 3: back to the beginning of something here. So you learned 101 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: to play drums and guitar at the same time because 102 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 3: your bandmates were late to rehearsal. Can you tell us 103 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: that story. 104 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, I can say it was never intentional to learn necessarily. 105 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: But you know, I'd go over to my grandparents' house 106 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 2: here and there, and I was always banging on pots 107 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 2: and pans, and so they put a little drum set 108 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,880 Speaker 2: in front of me and I started banging on that, 109 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 2: and my grandpa he'd just strum a couple of chords, 110 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 2: keep it simple for me, and I'd go gee. And 111 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: so that was the beginning there. It's just, you know, 112 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: I never had any lessons. I just slammed the drums, 113 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 2: and I listened to all the stuff that I grew 114 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 2: up as a young boy. There Nirvana, soundgarden Stone, Tuble Pilots, 115 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: and Alison Shanes. And I got into guitar around middle school, 116 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 2: and by that time I was a pretty good drummer, 117 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: but not a good guitar player. So for me, I 118 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 2: never really learned to play guitar as much as I 119 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 2: learned a few chords, some simple leads and songwriting, and 120 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 2: guitar was like the hand in hand thing for me. 121 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 2: Fast forward to about two thousand, I'm doing like rock 122 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 2: and roll house shows with the only other guys I 123 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: could find in my town that played and started steel 124 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: beans in around two thousand and five, playing my songs, 125 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 2: getting my friends in and twenty ten they were just 126 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: they were late, these are my friends and they were 127 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: getting hammered and not showing up and stuff. I sat 128 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: down at the drum set like texting them like yo, 129 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: where the folk are you? And I had my guitar 130 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: around my neck and I just picked up a stick, 131 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 2: set the phone down. I just went started strumming and 132 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 2: I went, oh, I guess that's the thing I could do. 133 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: It was years later before I ever did it, cause, 134 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: you know, I like to tell people that I never 135 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: wanted the band to be about me. That's why I 136 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: gave it a band name. I didn't even tell people 137 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: I wrote all the songs and did all the back work, 138 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: as I just wanted it to be about the songs. Well, whoops, 139 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 2: the solo show now has kind of taken off, and 140 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: now I'm I'm drawing t shirts of my face on them. 141 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: But that's okay. But yeah, it's it's so I didn't 142 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: really learn it. I think if it was anything that 143 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: I ever worked to learn, if there was a book 144 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: how to play drums and guitar, I would have never 145 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: read that. I've never read an instruction manual in my 146 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 2: life past, like the introductory. So it's just by path 147 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 2: of leads, resistance and inspiration that it happened. But it's 148 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 2: been a lot of fun doing it. I enjoyed doing it. 149 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: It's it's so bizarre because in the live show, I 150 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: can just really it's a stream of consciousness to just 151 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 2: do whatever. I'll stop in the middle of the song 152 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 2: and like have a salad delivered to my rack Tom, 153 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 2: and then I'll just start eating it and asking the audio, 154 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 2: it's like how they're doing it's pretty obnoxious to say 155 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: the least. Oh, it's amazing, but yeah, so I wouldn't 156 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 2: say I learned to play drums and guitar at the 157 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 2: same time, but it just had I'm just a drummer 158 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 2: that happened to pick up guitar that happens to be 159 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: insane enough to think it was a good idea. You know. 160 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: In twenty ten, a couple of months after I discovered 161 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: that our drummer was snowed in in eastern Washington and 162 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 2: the high Desert at a job site, and I looked 163 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 2: at the bass player at the time, I was like, no, 164 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: fucking let's do it. And so I showed up and 165 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: I did that, and that's the first show I did 166 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 2: like that. It wasn't as good as what it's become now, 167 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 2: but there was three years later before I really did 168 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 2: like a show like that by myself. 169 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 3: Now, I do have to tell our audience since this 170 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: has taken a walk, were literally somewhere in your neighborhood 171 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: taking a walk, and you're one of the few people 172 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 3: who have done that in a while. 173 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 4: I absolutely love it. Where are you taking a walk? 174 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to try to sit down for you. But 175 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: I'm actually here in Hollywood, in LA. I'm actually I'm 176 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,960 Speaker 2: aware I recorded this album that we just put out, 177 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 2: but I'm excited for that because that been stuck in 178 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 2: my house for the last year and a half. So 179 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 2: any time I can leave my house, grocery store, you know, 180 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: the walk in clinic, any of those things are better 181 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 2: than being stuck at all. 182 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you got that right. 183 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,680 Speaker 3: You brought, you bought your instruments when you had three 184 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: hundred dollars to your name. That's that's a bit of 185 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 3: a commitment. What made you think this is what the 186 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 3: heck I'm going to be doing. 187 00:10:52,520 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: What really happened is I had a concert that I 188 00:10:55,240 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: went to in Denver in my minivan. They booked a 189 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: tour down the coast with three hundred dollars to my name, 190 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: which was just largely ambitious and reckless, but a tour 191 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 2: down the coast three hundred dollars to my name. My 192 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: friend Sean, who's the basis in the band, is gonna 193 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 2: come with us. I had a video randomly go viral 194 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: a week before this tour down the coast that probably 195 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,880 Speaker 2: nobody was going to go to, and I would have 196 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 2: got like halfway down through that and ran out of money, 197 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: and it would have been a nightmare. So it was 198 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 2: really this miracle that, you know, three hundred dollars is 199 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 2: hardly enough money to get to Oregon, let alone California, 200 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: and these venues that took a chance on me were 201 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: now calling me and saying, we're getting calls off the 202 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: hook asking if you're really playing here. I was like, wow, okay, 203 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: but no. Most of my instruments I've ever had were all, 204 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: like you know, mostly from pawn shops and stuff like 205 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,440 Speaker 2: if it looked cool, I get it. I had some 206 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 2: amps that were forty dollars and I use those on 207 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 2: stage for years. Tour changed my life, and it's I 208 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 2: think that the decision to just do that and take 209 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: that risk is what pushed it over in the universe. 210 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 2: Was like, all right, here you go kind of But 211 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 2: to have that happen when you're thirty five and doing 212 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 2: music for twenty years. The thing is, before I had 213 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 2: gone viral with that video, which launched me in a 214 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 2: way I'd never seen, I had my son was already 215 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 2: six years old. I had been running a lawn care 216 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 2: company I started right before he was born, and I 217 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 2: kind of was artistically and spiritually developed and content with 218 00:12:52,760 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: where I was. I was like Almo Lons for the 219 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 2: rest of my life and just write songs. Like I've 220 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: never really chased my career any of that stuff that much. 221 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 2: I just love writing songs. But it was all a 222 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 2: big bonus to be like, wow, okay, we'll be right back, 223 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: and thank god it can walk twenty one that that 224 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 2: would happen, because that'd be terrible. 225 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: You know, welcome ready. 226 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: I've been ready for I wouldn't have had the discipline 227 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: to not crash a car or overgost. There are all 228 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 2: those fun things you do in your twenties when things 229 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 2: go well. 230 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 3: You know, you mentioned spirituality when you talked about Steve 231 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 3: Winwood and you just mentioned it. Can you, you know, 232 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 3: share a little bit more on your view of the world, 233 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 3: and I know you have incredible gratitude for the position 234 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 3: that you're in right now in terms of what's happening 235 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 3: with your life and your career. 236 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 2: You know, I I'm letting it slip a bit. I 237 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,559 Speaker 2: try not to mention it. I don't want to get 238 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: in like I'm careful where I say it or something. 239 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 2: But I'm not like a part of any real religion 240 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 2: in particular. But I am a big believer and a 241 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 2: very blessed person, and I'm just kind of one of 242 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 2: those guys. I'm making it up as I go along. 243 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 2: I'm listening for the cues and I'm seeing signs, and 244 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 2: sometimes they're subtle, sometimes they're like directly in my face. 245 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:21,920 Speaker 2: And I always tell people that, like, you know, I 246 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 2: had different experiences throughout my life, some actually within the 247 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: last year, but a lot of them when I was little, 248 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: where like I saw things fly across the room and stuff, 249 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: and you can't turn back from that and be like, well, no, 250 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 2: that was just in my hair. It wasn't. But I 251 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 2: you know, I was kind of a believer in something 252 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,520 Speaker 2: going on before I ever saw anything fly across the room. 253 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 2: That just kind of made it where I was like, okay, fine. 254 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 2: But to me, I look at music as my religion, 255 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: and at this point, I think of the guitar or 256 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: any instrument as this tool that is it's not unlike 257 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 2: a Ouiji board or something. You know, like you're not 258 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 2: writing a song, you're just sharpening your relationship with an 259 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 2: instrument that becomes the filter for ideas that are coming 260 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: from somewhere, and it's really not about being a good player. 261 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 2: It's about being a good listener and filtering those ideas 262 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 2: through something and you just happen to be some conduit 263 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 2: for it. That's the nut job world I live, and 264 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 2: that's my I believe it though. You know, it's like 265 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: it's too good to be true. You know, we're not 266 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 2: responsible for anything. We're just having things happen. And how 267 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 2: fluent you are on your guitar or your race car, 268 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: whatever it is that you take pride in that you're 269 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,160 Speaker 2: good at every day, there is something cooler going on 270 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 2: than just you. You know, I don't know. That's what 271 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 2: I think. 272 00:15:54,520 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 3: That's very well put and makes the appreciation for thing 273 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: that we stare in at in this universe a deeper appreciation. 274 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 3: Congrats on the new album and you got some select 275 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 3: run of West Coast dates. It's got to be so exciting. 276 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 3: Your experience with Anderson Pack is incredible and he's part 277 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 3: of the collaborations as well, along with some other folks 278 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 3: Troy from Queens of the Stone Age. So it's really 279 00:16:25,480 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: it's a monster situation that is happening for you and 280 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 3: it's so outstanding. Tell me about how you look forward 281 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 3: to the live performances coming up. 282 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 2: I'll preface this by saying I've always done the band, 283 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 2: and then I started doing the solo thing. I would 284 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 2: do a couple solo shows in taverns in the middle 285 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: of nowhere while I still had the band going. And 286 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: now I've done the solo thing for the last couple 287 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: of years, and I love it and I'm not about 288 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: to jump shit. It's what I'm known for. But the 289 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 2: last year, what I've moved towards is we did a 290 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:06,040 Speaker 2: couple shows back home where I do thirty minutes of 291 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 2: the solo show and then I have Sean come up 292 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 2: on bass and West come up on drums, and the 293 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: second half of the show is the band and I 294 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 2: get to dance around and do what I do normally. 295 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: Now I tell the guys this is like Dylan goes electric, 296 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 2: but instead it's like the guy. Instead of oh he 297 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 2: sold out, he went solo, I'm doing the reverse. I'm 298 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: cognizant that people will be like, oh, what is he 299 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 2: just doing a band because I still haven't seen his solo. 300 00:17:37,359 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 2: Maybe I'm overthinking it, but that's the format for these shows, 301 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 2: and frankly, it's a relief because I just love to 302 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 2: be dancing around the whole time I'm playing. And I've 303 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: never written a song to be played for the solo thing. 304 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,679 Speaker 2: I just sit down and play it and then if 305 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 2: it works, it works. These songs on the album are 306 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 2: not like, they're not humanly possible, able to play without 307 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 2: multiple guys, you know. And so far the shows have 308 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: been great. It's a little tough in this day and 309 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 2: age to cut through the noise of marketing and promotion 310 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:16,479 Speaker 2: the way that socials are and we haven't been out 311 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,159 Speaker 2: in a while, so these aren't like, these aren't blowout shows, 312 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 2: but they're These audiences have been They've been good size 313 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,399 Speaker 2: in these rooms, and the audiences respond very well. Shows 314 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 2: are going great. I've really enjoyed it. The energy is fun. 315 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,640 Speaker 2: The audiences are a little different in California because there's 316 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 2: a little more of an entertainment industry here and people 317 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: are like housebroken on shows where back like you play 318 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: a show in Seattle, it's not like the music scene 319 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: it once was. People are kind of like everyone's talking 320 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 2: to each other and they're not paying attention. These shows 321 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 2: have been like hyper focused, locked in and pin drop 322 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: silence when I go to say something, and I told 323 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 2: him like, this is crazy, like I'm not used to 324 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: doing a joke or are rambling a little, and it's 325 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 2: that good of they're really listening. That means the world 326 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: to go somewhere, and now people do that. 327 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 4: Well. 328 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: In closing, I was noting that I just saw adding 329 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,800 Speaker 3: on to folks that discover you and have become fans. 330 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 3: I saw Lenny Kravitz like in your feed just you know, 331 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 3: that's crazy, just you know, it's so, how does this 332 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 3: make you feel? 333 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, it blows my mind to post a story of 334 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 2: me playing in the snow with my son in the backyard, 335 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: and then in the little thing of who saw your story? 336 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: It's like Jack Black and Jason Momoa and Lenny Kravitz. 337 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 2: You know that's insane. You know, when we were on 338 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 2: that viral tour coming down the coast, I would hand 339 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,880 Speaker 2: the phone to Sean and be like, will you reply 340 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 2: to Johnny Knoxville for me tell them where the show is. 341 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 2: And we had only had that stuff start to happen 342 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 2: to us for a few days. So where fourteen hour 343 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 2: drives in my minivan going oh, Bruto commented. I would 344 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 2: also say that on the other side of the coin, 345 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 2: being the age I am and having certain wisdoms and 346 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: realizations is like I think it's a part of like 347 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 2: a path as an artist is reaching a point where 348 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 2: you can say, I'm one of these guys and I'm 349 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 2: not as famous as them or whatever, but as an artist, 350 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: I am in the conversation they like, these guys are 351 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 2: on this other level. But if I think, if you 352 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 2: work hard enough, I'm standing on the shoulders of giants, 353 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: Like I don't strive to be famous. I strive to 354 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 2: be as good of a songwriter as the Beatles and 355 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,439 Speaker 2: all these guys that I that I would fucking worship, 356 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 2: you know, but at some point you have to be 357 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,359 Speaker 2: like you put your song next to their songs and 358 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: you go, there's still a lot of room for work, 359 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 2: But I am getting there. These are like kind of classic. 360 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 2: It blows my mind, but also you kind of think 361 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: it's cool because I feel like I belong that much more. 362 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 2: Robert Delio from Stone Tuple Pilots, who's been a friend 363 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: the last couple of years, and like he's such a 364 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 2: down to earth guy. He really helped with that because 365 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 2: I talked to him and he's like, you know, the 366 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 2: same thing happened to me, and at some point I 367 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 2: was like, whoa, But you know, I'm just a guy 368 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 2: who was writing songs too, and it just helps me 369 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 2: think like, okay, cool, because I don't really like fan 370 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 2: out when I see somebody like, oh ha, let me 371 00:21:39,280 --> 00:21:43,119 Speaker 2: get your autograph. I can't believe I'm meeting Blake, but 372 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 2: I do get a little nervous, like to play guitar 373 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 2: in front of Troy or something. There is a section 374 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: of it wearing off, like Anderson, I'm such a fan 375 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: of his that it almost cancels out your own cool 376 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,720 Speaker 2: because now I'm so comfortable around I'm just being myself 377 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: and we're almost like a similar type of person. But 378 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: the first time I met him, I was still kind 379 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: of like nervous to talk or something I would say 380 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: nervous to talk, but just a little bit like there 381 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 2: is a little bit of a wow factor when you're 382 00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 2: talking to people. You have to overcome that and be like, 383 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: we're all we're all artists and weirdos here. Yeah, that's 384 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 2: the day it comes and goes. 385 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 4: You're the best. 386 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 3: Would you accept a viral high five or fist bump, 387 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 3: because there you go, amazing Jeremy, Thank you for being 388 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 3: on my friend. Congratulations and it's only just beginning, my friend. 389 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. 390 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,239 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to this episode of the Taking a 391 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: Walk podcast. Share this and other episodes with your friends 392 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 1: and follow us so you never miss an episode. 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