1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: The real people, real celebrity joined the breakfast more than 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: everybody is DJ en vi Angela, Ye, Charlemagne the guy. 3 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: We are the breakfast Club. We gotta guess with us 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: this morning. And you know what's so crazy, man, we'd 5 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: be having rappers in here, right who acts so hard 6 00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: core and act like they didn't did so much and 7 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: having done nothing, they probably think you're a chef or something. Yeah, 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: you put in that work. Lelo Broncado Junior. Yes, thank 9 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: you morning. So you got talking to the Mike. We 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:34,599 Speaker 1: know you from Sopranos, right, um, Bronx Tail in particular, though, 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: one of my favorite movies, Brox Tail Colo. How do 12 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: you say collogio was your role in Sopranos? Um? I 13 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: played Matthew Bevilaqua. I would say stockbroker, low level guy, 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: trying to get in with you know, Tony and those guys, 15 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, ultimately you know I was killed 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah you really talk like that. Yeah 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: I don't know that. Oh yeah, yeah, that's my job. Now. 18 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: You served ten years in prison or to eight to 19 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 1: ten years I saved. I served eight out of a 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: ten years eight everteen year sentence for attempted burglary, right 21 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: and uh and all three the police officers was shot 22 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: actually during that robbery. Right, So what what I mean 23 00:01:15,319 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: you served your time so you can talk about it, right, Yeah, 24 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: if the statue limitations up, what happened? No, No, I didn't. Uh, 25 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: I was you know, I was convicted of the burglary, 26 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,840 Speaker 1: you know. And then the commission of that crime. In 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: a commission of any felony, when someone it results in 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,479 Speaker 1: the depth of someone else, they called that felony murder. 29 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,960 Speaker 1: That's what I was charged with, not intentional murder. Um, 30 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: your friend who you were with is actually the person 31 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: that he's in jail for life, right, he got an 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 1: actual life. So explain to us what happened on that day, 33 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: December ten of two thousand and five. Um, you know, 34 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: at that time of my life, I was, you know, 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: addicted to drugs. I was addicted to crack, heroin, crack, Yeah, 36 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: both both both drugs and uh, you know, I mean, 37 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 1: you know, proud to shay I'm sober now eight years 38 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: but um, you know that being said, that night, you know, 39 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: we uh came to you know, uh, we got a 40 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: little desperate. Um, we couldn't find any drugs knowing at 41 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: anything I knew of a place where so you weren't 42 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: acting at that time. So she had no money. No, 43 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 1: we we did have money on us. It wasn't it 44 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: wasn't enough to buy some heroin. No, No, it wasn't 45 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: that we couldn't find heroin. The guys that we usually 46 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: go to ran out. It was too late. We had 47 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: money on us. It's not like we were going to 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: rob the house for you know, a VCR or something 49 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:34,880 Speaker 1: that It was a house that I knew would have 50 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: prescription you know, pills because I knew the guy from 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: you know, way back when the prescription pills give you 52 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: the same high as heroin in some cases. Right, yeah, 53 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: you know you know opiates, know how to pay medication. 54 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: It's all the same, you know on uh you know, 55 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 1: on a your analysis, it would all come up the same. Gotcha. 56 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: And uh we went to the house. Um, you know, 57 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: I was really desperate to try to get in. Banged 58 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 1: on the window, made all kinds of noise. No one answered, 59 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: So eventually I broke the window. Um with your hand, 60 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: with my foot, yan, the one is a high bat. Yeah. Um, 61 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: you know they actually used my uh my boot and 62 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: as evidence was they had microscopic last shards in the 63 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: front which were consistent with the window. So you know, 64 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: there was no saying that I didn't break the glass. 65 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: Um The off duty police officer, Daniel Chotegy live next door. 66 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, he was off duty. I heard he 67 00:03:35,680 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: had just finished the shift. Heard the noise came outside. 68 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: I was walking away from the window, and that's when 69 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: I heard a male voice. That's when I heard someone say, 70 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 1: don't move. And you know, like I said, I was 71 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, it was high, I just small cracks. So 72 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: I was very jittery and I was paranoid. And when 73 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: when I heard the voice, don't move, you know, what 74 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: did I do? I moved, I turned around real fast, 75 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: and upon doing so, I was shot. Was shot two 76 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: two one two direct hits and one that grazed me 77 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: um where or where my abdomen um? And uh, you know, 78 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: and then I just seen like blood squirting out of 79 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: my stomach. I didn't, you know, I didn't know who 80 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: that was that shot me. And I was kind of 81 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not gonna lie. I was afraid. You know, 82 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,280 Speaker 1: it was unarmed. I didn't have a gun that night. 83 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: He said that name the other nights you might have 84 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,160 Speaker 1: had one with No, no, no, no, no, no, never 85 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:38,120 Speaker 1: carried a gun to my Okay, I mean I don't 86 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: feel sympathy though, because he was trying to bring in 87 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: somebody else, right, yeah, but your friend had a gun 88 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: on him, right, So what happened? So you got shot? 89 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: You fall on the floor. No, I didn't fall on 90 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 1: the floor. I Uh, my adrenaline kicked in and I 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: was trying to leave, trying to get, you know, as 92 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: far away from that situation as possible. And as I 93 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:01,800 Speaker 1: was walking away, I heard gunshots. Um. And I didn't 94 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: know at the time that my co defendant was armed, 95 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: so I didn't know where all that was coming from. 96 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: But obviously a gunfight ensued between the two of them. 97 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 1: Um and uh, you know the all through the police 98 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: officer was hit with you know, he was hitting the 99 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: heart or the three fifty seven magnum and I'm coming 100 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: back from now, yeah, and and he was he was killed. 101 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: Were you were you mad at your cold, like, why 102 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: did you have to get into a gunfight with him? Well, 103 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, not even that, not even that, I mean 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: even further back then that you know, why did you 105 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: even carry a gun and tell me that you had it, 106 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: because you know, at the situation, you know, I mean, yeah, 107 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,120 Speaker 1: I was still someone pursuing an acting care I was 108 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: pursuing my addiction a little more, but I was still pursuing, 109 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: you know, an acting career. But do you also feel 110 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: like maybe he was defending you? Because if you're doing 111 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: are you doing burglary? And somebody has a gun and 112 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: you didn't say he announced himself as a police officer, 113 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: I shoot you twice? I mean he could have been 114 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: defending you. Well, yeah, that you know, that is one 115 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 1: way to look at it. Um, because he also got 116 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: shot nine times. So he got shot nine times. I 117 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: got shot two to three times. He lived, Yeah he lived? 118 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: Album Yeah how many bullet? So the cop he he 119 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: changed clips. Um, I don't know. I didn't. I didn't. 120 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: I didn't see what happened between them. I only heard 121 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:25,559 Speaker 1: it right because I was already walking down the street. 122 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 1: Had two guns though, unless he reload, only got six shots, no, no, no, 123 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 1: three seven went the other way. So so yeah, you know, 124 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: and uh, and then the gunfight ended between the two. 125 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: I didn't see the aftermath or what happened. I was 126 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: already on the corner of you know, Westchester Revenue in 127 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: the Bronx and Arnal Place, and cops came on the scene. 128 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: They didn't they weren't called to the scene. There was 129 00:06:57,240 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: a bagel stored down the street and they were getting bagels, 130 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: heard the gunshots and heard the gunshots. So came over there. 131 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: And by the time they got there, I was on 132 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 1: the floor. I was on the corner, and I was like, 133 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: you know, fighting for my life. They didn't let you die, 134 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: but they probably know you had it. Didn't know what happened. Well, 135 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: they didn't know. They didn't know that there was an 136 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: off duty police officer dead. Three houses, but the neighbors 137 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: came outside and like calling them, like you know, and 138 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: then uh, and then they called what they called buses, ambulances, right, 139 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 1: they called the bus and they got they got three 140 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: of them over there, and we went to the hospital 141 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: and uh inside the ambulance. I remember trying to say 142 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: I didn't do anything, but for some reason, my whole 143 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: my voice you couldn't hear it. You did you did something. 144 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: They were looking at you like, oh, you did something. 145 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:44,240 Speaker 1: You said, they're bleeding with gun shots? Yeah, right something? Why? Um? 146 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: And uh, you know, we bought to the hospital getting 147 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the surgery. You know, they you know, they took my 148 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: spleen out, part of my calling I had a collapse 149 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: lung and then uh then I found out after coming 150 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: out of all of that, that that an off duty 151 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: police officer, so it was killed and uh, I mean, 152 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: you know whow I was really? So they pressed you 153 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: immediately about being an eyewitness. I'm sure, um, I can accomplish, 154 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: I would think too, well, even more than accomplish, because 155 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: they've seen, you know, the broken window so that you know, 156 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: this is there was a burglary in progress, and you know, 157 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: somebody was killed as a result of that. So it's 158 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: you know, an accomplished wouldn't have it wouldn't have been 159 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: as bad as actually being charged with murder itself. So 160 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: you know, we were, you know, charged with murder. You know, 161 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: before you know it, you had Bronx homicide detectives came 162 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: there and you know, we were interrogated at bedside, and uh, 163 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,679 Speaker 1: you know the interrogation was you know, while I was 164 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: you know, in debated with tubes down my throat, you know, 165 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: and in what you know, the doctor called, uh the 166 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: expert called twilight sleep, and you know, because I was 167 00:08:56,559 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: administered like five different medications at the same time. And 168 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: this is the this is the method in which they 169 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: obtained you know, uh, statements of what happened. No words, 170 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:14,719 Speaker 1: just affirmative, just nodding. No, excuse me, no lawyer, you 171 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: didn't have a lawyer. No, because they came in and 172 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: did that, you know before, Um my family was able 173 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: to say that he has a lawyer. So some No, 174 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, I mean, like you said, you know, 175 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: did you tell him what you saw? Yeah? What I 176 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: saw was that I got shot and I was unarmed 177 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: and I didn't you know, have a gun. But at 178 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: the same time, I take, you know, full responsibility for 179 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: how my actions and you know, my drug addiction put 180 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,439 Speaker 1: me there that night, and how it costs you know, 181 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,160 Speaker 1: a heroic New York City police officers life. Did you 182 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,599 Speaker 1: have to go understanding and tell you? Uh telling you. 183 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: They offered me a deal to do so, and I didn't, 184 00:09:56,920 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: and they offered me a deal of a three nine, 185 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: but there was nothing to say, so I took it 186 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: to trial. Um. They even offered me fifteen years before, 187 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: a week before jury selection, to not have to go 188 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: to trial. Um, well, you charged with a murder at 189 00:10:14,840 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah, it was charged with murder. You took 190 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: that the trial of a cop. Yeah. I had a 191 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, a very good lawyer. His name was Joe Tacopina, 192 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: you know, top notch attorney, and we were very uh 193 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: confident based on the cap. We were very confident based 194 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: on the facts in the case that you know, there 195 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 1: was there was no murder case. Um, I mean, you know, 196 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: a burglary case and an attempted burglary case was a 197 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 1: lot stronger. But we were you know, I took the 198 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: stand in my own defense a trial because you know, 199 00:10:45,400 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: I mean because you know this took place in the Bronx. 200 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: You know, it was in the Bronx Tail, so you know, 201 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: these juries are all from the Bronx. My lawyer thought 202 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 1: it would be the you know, best idea to do 203 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 1: so because they're gonna, you know, the jurors are gonna 204 00:10:57,320 --> 00:10:58,719 Speaker 1: want to they're gonna want to hear me. So that 205 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: after the Bronx Tale. Yeah, this this was just after 206 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:06,679 Speaker 1: the Yes, this was yeah, this was two Broxtel. This 207 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: was like like thirteen years after Bronx Tail. So now 208 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: so now what's the up. So what's next for you? 209 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: Because you know, there's there's a mother that lost his son. 210 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: I'm sort there's some children that cops hate you. I 211 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: would never drive. They were actually protesting because you are 212 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: in a new movie and they didn't feel like anybody 213 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: should be casting you in a movie. The movies in Brooklyn, 214 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:31,599 Speaker 1: right right, well, Brooklyn, and we also shot in Pennsylvania, 215 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 1: right Um. And you know, an opportunity that I was 216 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: very blessed to have been given and very thankful for. 217 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: You know, my friend Willie the Mayo and Paul Boorgayze, 218 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: they took a shot on me and you know gave me, 219 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: you know, the opportunity which I'm very thankful for. Um. 220 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: But you know, I even heard you guys say it, 221 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: and you know, in reference to the kid who got 222 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: the heart transplant, okay a little while ago, that everyone 223 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,960 Speaker 1: deserves a second chance. I agree with that, and uh, 224 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: you know, I don't see why I would be any 225 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: different in that situation. Um, But you can see why 226 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: people will be upset though. Absolutely, there's no question about that. 227 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I served my time. I 228 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: didn't take no shortcuts. I didn't you know, take the 229 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: stand on anyone. I put myself there that night, took 230 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:23,319 Speaker 1: a huge gamble, went to trial, was confident in the 231 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: facts in the case, in my you know, involvement in 232 00:12:28,000 --> 00:12:34,719 Speaker 1: the the the situation or lack thereof. And you know, 233 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: while away, I you know, made the most of the time. 234 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: I got sober. How how did you get off crack 235 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: and herowin lot of time people go to jail, jail, Yeah, no, 236 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: you go to jail and get worse sometimes. Yeah. Yeah, 237 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: well I got high. I was getting high right, and 238 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 1: I overdosed in my cell and still continue to use 239 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: after that. But then, you know, I got eighty days 240 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: in the box, and when I went there that a 241 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:58,839 Speaker 1: lot of you know, soul searching and thinking, no way 242 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: for you to get anything in you can get it 243 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: and then get it anywhere. Yeah, Um, Riker's Island, you 244 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: know it's readily available. You know, did you beat it 245 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: with help or like you? I can't believe you got 246 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: off cracking heroin cold Turkey. It's on you. Well, you know, initially, 247 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 1: you know, I had to. I had to because I 248 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: didn't know the ins and outs of Riker's Island. I 249 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: didn't know. But you know, as I became accustomed to 250 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 1: doing time and being in that situation, I you know, 251 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: was able to you know, find drugs and you know, 252 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,319 Speaker 1: continue to use. You know, especially in that situation is 253 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: very painful. It's facing the rest of my life. You know. 254 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: For one night, um the overdose, still continued to use. 255 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: That was about a year after I've been at Riker's Island. 256 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 1: Then when I went to the box, I just I 257 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: got a visit from a couple of friends and that 258 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: visit changed my life. What did they say to you? Well, 259 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: they came in. I was already sitting there, handcuffed to 260 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,520 Speaker 1: the whatever it was, the wall, the metal thing. And 261 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 1: now when they came in, you know, when I saw them, 262 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 1: you know, I had a smile on my face. I 263 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 1: was like happy to see them, and you know they didn't. 264 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: They didn't weren't too happy to see me. And they 265 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: said like, you know, what are you doing? You got 266 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: all these people that are here for you and want 267 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: to see you, you know, get through this, and you're 268 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: doing this. You're still you're still getting high, Like what's 269 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: wrong with you? And for some reason that day was 270 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: it just stuck and it really affected me and I 271 00:14:28,400 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: and I just made the decision that day that I 272 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: got to change my life. And uh that was November eighteenth, 273 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, and I've never got high since then. Damn. 274 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: And now you know you said you first started using 275 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: drugs while you were filming a Bronx Tale. Yeah, well 276 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: the first time I ever smoked pot was was during 277 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: the Bronx Tale. So how did you graduate all the 278 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: way to cracking heroin from pot? It's you know, um 279 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: with it, Hollywood. I mean, I mean a little bit 280 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: of that. You know that definitely had a you know, 281 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 1: an influence you know the past that I you know, 282 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: eventually took. I mean, you know, being in that business, 283 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: it's just lucrative. So you know, you got money, you 284 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: got free time, and uh, you know it's a it's 285 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: it's a recipe for disaster. And you know, like any addiction, 286 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 1: it progresses gets worse, it doesn't get better. Now, now, 287 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: what about the family of the slain officer? And I 288 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: agree everybody deserves a second chance, but it's what you 289 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: do with that second chance, because no, no matter what, 290 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: even though you say you served your time, you know 291 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: that that man is not coming back. And I could 292 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: imagined him it was my dad or my son, and 293 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 1: and the guy saying, well, I served my time, and 294 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure the family like that doesn't mean 295 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: it's I means nothing. My guy's dad, my dad is dead, 296 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: or my son is dead. You know. So I think 297 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: people would be more welcome to give you a second 298 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 1: chance if there they're people could get the second chance. 299 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 1: Like the person that you killed could get a second chance. 300 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: He didn't have a gun, but every action is a reaction. Yeah, 301 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: but he led them to the house. He was like, 302 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: I know a house. I tell him on every time, 303 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: but you might not. If you don't want nothing bad 304 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: to happen, don't do nothing stupid, because anything can happened. 305 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,240 Speaker 1: I could be in a car with a bunch of 306 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: knuckleheads and I do something and they do something, I'm 307 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 1: gonna be charged. So what what are you? Are you 308 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 1: doing anything for the family or like you're saying the 309 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: second chance, like yeah, well you know that's that's what 310 00:16:15,760 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: them you know. I mean, I think people who are 311 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: worthy of a second chance should definitely get one. And 312 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: I feel that, you know, my actions have you know, 313 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: spoken volumes of the person that I've become. I mean, 314 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: when you when you're incarcerated, it's the doc the Department 315 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: of Corrections to correct itself. And I truly believe that 316 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: I used the time for what it was intended for. 317 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: I went there, like I said, I got sober, which 318 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: is not easy. And also after I fought my case 319 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: and was ultimately acquitted to the murder and went upstate 320 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: convicted of an attempt at Burglary, I had sentenced to 321 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: ten years, so that would mean an additional five and 322 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: a half right from the you know, from the Riker's 323 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: Island point. So when I went up state, I still, 324 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't have my g ed, so I 325 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: knew that was one of the first things I wanted 326 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: to do and U and it was satisfying, but I 327 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: just felt that I should use the time as wisely 328 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: as possible. So with whatever you know, money I had left, 329 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 1: I figured, you know, investing in my education because they 330 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:28,680 Speaker 1: don't offer they offer high school in uh you know, 331 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: state correctional New York state correctional facilities. But I enrolled 332 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,200 Speaker 1: in a male correspondence out of my own pocket accredited 333 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: school in Georgia nor of course, Georgia Ashworth College, and 334 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: I studied business management, and uh as you know, I was, 335 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: I was able to earn an associate's degree. I earned 336 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: sixty credits and it made a huge difference in my life, 337 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: you know, do a huge difference in my life. And uh, 338 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, I came out and h haven't been in 339 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: trouble one time since I've been home, done anything for 340 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:04,719 Speaker 1: the family though the family, But I've been to high schools, 341 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: I've been to colleges, addiction centers. I'm actually going someplace tomorrow. 342 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: Why haven't you reached out to the family. Absolutely, I 343 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: just don't think it's it's in the appropriate time yet 344 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: because they publicly, you know, I have denounced your role 345 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: and very upset with your role. You know they have, 346 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: of course, as they should be, you know, of course, 347 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: I you know, I would be the same way if 348 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 1: if the situation was you know, reversed, if that was 349 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: my brother. Absolutely, and you know, I definitely have empathy 350 00:18:32,960 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: and can put myself well, try to at least think 351 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: you know what they're thinking, and I understand exactly where 352 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: they're coming from. But I can't control the way they 353 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: think and feel. But what I can control is my 354 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: own actions, and I've tried to make them as positive 355 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: as possible. And what would you say? And then you, 356 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, what can you sorry? You know, I mean, 357 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 1: I don't think they want to hear you say, you know, 358 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: I didn't pull the trigger. They don't want to know 359 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 1: what right. They just want to at least, I mean, 360 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: at least they can look and see, you know, if 361 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: they're watching TV, like you know, if I was someplace, 362 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: you know, helping kids, you know, to deter them from 363 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: making mistakes that I made, and used the situation in 364 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: a positive way, you know. I mean, I've really, you know, 365 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,880 Speaker 1: worked my butt off since I got home to show 366 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 1: people I'm a different person. If you didn't go to jail, 367 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,520 Speaker 1: you might have ended up dead yourself, though, because I 368 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: remember reading about you getting pulled over you had a 369 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: heroin in the car, and that was a few months 370 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: was like a few months before that, you know, I 371 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: was on a you know, I was on a you know, 372 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: a downward spiral, and ultimately that you know, that night happened. 373 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:41,440 Speaker 1: And you're right, if I hadn't got you know, locked 374 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 1: up that night and arrested, I probably would be dead 375 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: right now. I don't know too many people that came 376 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: back from a heroin, Like what's that highlight? Well, I 377 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: never I never used it intravenously. I never shot it 378 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: in my face. Sniffets sniffet um. The high, you know, 379 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: the high was, you know, I mean it's it's uh it. 380 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: You know, it's very deceiving and very you know, seductive. 381 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: But there's a huge price to pay for it, because 382 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: like anything else, it's always the best in the beginning. 383 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: And what that does is it imprints a memory in 384 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: your brain, a memory of euphoria that you never forget, 385 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: and every time you do it, you feel less and 386 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: less of that, and you chase it. And then you know, 387 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: with heroin, which is an opiate, is a physically addicting 388 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 1: drug because your body itself produces opiates. So when you're 389 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: giving your body opiates from an outside source, your body says, 390 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: we don't have to make them anymore. You're describing crack 391 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: first when you said to hide that, m no, talking 392 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: about heroin. Crack is not physically addicting, that's all in 393 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: the mind. You know, you could smoke crack for ten 394 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 1: days straight, take a nap, and you know it's like 395 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 1: nothing ever happened. But heroin is not like that. You 396 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: do a ten days straightoke, you to have, your body's 397 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: gonna want it and if you try to withdraw yourself. 398 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: I know I've seen people there like shaking and slating 399 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,879 Speaker 1: and throwing. A very horrible feeling and something that no 400 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: one should ever have to go through, because I myself 401 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: seen you know, you know, and have been in the 402 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: grips of addiction. And that's why I choose to spend 403 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: my time informing and using the experience to deter people 404 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: from ever getting into that situation themselves, right and that 405 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: you know, at the same time, that helps me to 406 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 1: stay on the right path. Because when you were on 407 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: Markers Island, they didn't have you in general population. No, 408 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: they had me what was called CMC Central Monitored Case 409 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: High Profile Cases. It was you know, like you know, 410 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,960 Speaker 1: any any movement has to be you know, they have 411 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: to call Albany. Like it's it's not as if you're 412 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: not a high if you're not CMC and you know 413 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: saying you know, you're in seven cell and you're sink broke. 414 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,760 Speaker 1: Now you want to move to eight cell because they 415 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: got you know, the sinks. You know it works. You 416 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: can't just do that because being a CMC, that has 417 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: to be you know, they have to make a call 418 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: to Albany and say, well, listen, you know this CMC 419 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: so and so wants to move to another sell for 420 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: this reason and that they have to approve it right days. Yeah, 421 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it does. And I 422 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,359 Speaker 1: know Plexico Burrs was in there, but he wasn't in 423 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 1: rikers Out. He wasn't rikers on, but not when I 424 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,719 Speaker 1: was there. We were up state together. Okay, we were 425 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: up state together. We were in Oneida in UM two 426 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: from two thousand and nine to two thousand and eleven. 427 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: I remember you got there was like September and then 428 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:40,320 Speaker 1: he got released in like June of two thousand eleven. 429 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: Why didn't have you in a general pop Well, because 430 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: I would I would think, I mean sadly some of 431 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: the imags would look at you as the hero because 432 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 1: you was in a situation where cop got killed. Um well, 433 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:52,640 Speaker 1: I guess just because of the nature of the case 434 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: and it was high profile. I mean, you had other 435 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: guys with cases like mine, you know, other guys involved 436 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: in the same type of stuff where I was. You know, 437 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: but it's just high profile in prison because you knew 438 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: the cops at it out for you. Uh yeah, I'm 439 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: not gonna lie and say you know never that I 440 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: wasn't um. But yeah, at times did they ever do 441 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: anything to you? No, stove you out, No, I don't 442 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: let you watch beat you up. I think you know 443 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: it's all about in the way you carry yourself. Um, 444 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: And you know you just mind your business and just 445 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: do your time. You're gonna be all right. And what 446 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,720 Speaker 1: about your cody? Have you spoke to him while you 447 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: were in I spoke to him out outside. Well, I 448 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 1: haven't spoke to him since, you know, since I mean 449 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 1: we you know, like you know, through people in the neighborhood. 450 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: You know, it was it was you know, so and 451 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 1: so said Alowe, you know, tell him a law. But 452 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 1: when we weren't Rikers Island together, we used to see 453 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: each other. When we used to go to court. We 454 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: were in different buildings, but the ESCO Emergency Service Unit 455 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: because we didn't go in the bus because it was 456 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: a high profile. So we'd go in the van meet 457 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: him and maybe a few other you know, high profile guys, 458 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: and uh, we used to see each other in the 459 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: van and you know, and uh, you know, go to court. Um. 460 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 1: But then you know we had separate trials. Did you 461 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: think you do you think he did he think you 462 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: read it him up. No, absolutely not, absolutely not. I 463 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: mean that's all you know, that's all. I mean, you 464 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 1: can go online and see that. You know, none of 465 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: that happened. I took it to trial. You know, it 466 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: was a you know, a trial of you know, the 467 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: consistent of over thirty days. A guy who tells on 468 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: someone doesn't get ten years for an attempt at burglary 469 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: right now, what about that? How much did that trial 470 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: cost you? UM? Cost me about two hundred and fifty thousand. Oh, 471 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: you had a real lawyer. Yeah, I mean I think 472 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,400 Speaker 1: he was gonna hand a Craig right hand the money. 473 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: He ain't had the money. He had money, drugs, he 474 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 1: just didn't. We weren't, like I said, we weren't you know, 475 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 1: like two burglars going to robber, you know, just couldn't 476 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: find anybody. Dealer wasn't nowhere. He ran out the other 477 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,440 Speaker 1: guy that you know, well when it rains, it paused. 478 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 1: There was nothing around. So now since you've gotten out, though, 479 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: people have reached out to you and tried to help you, 480 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: and you you have been casting in a couple of 481 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 1: movies and um, I even saw you did a music 482 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,159 Speaker 1: video with a pop star and people were angry about well, 483 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: we never the video never went through right because of 484 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: all the commotion that you know, my involvement was causing. 485 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: They put the kabash on it and they never went 486 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: through video. Was there a girl on Natalie she's a 487 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:35,679 Speaker 1: Russian pop singer. So um, And then you got casting 488 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 1: in this Alec Baldwin film and so but that's good 489 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,399 Speaker 1: to go like filming. I know there's been some issues 490 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: with people protesting, but you're solidified in that, right. No, 491 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: that we already. I I'm already, it's already. I'm already 492 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,879 Speaker 1: shot my scenes. Do anybody say anything you like the 493 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: actors like Alex Steward, Why didn't you? Oh? I didn't 494 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: work with him. Oh, he's in the film. Mike Tyson 495 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: is in the film, Michael Madson and a Bella Siura. 496 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 1: You know, Danny Glover, William de Mayo. Um, you talk 497 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: to Mike. I'm sure he understands. No, I didn't. I didn't. 498 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't speak to Mike. But I have 499 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 1: a picture of Mike when I was on the cover 500 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,879 Speaker 1: of the Post last week. I have a picture of 501 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 1: Mike holding up the paper. Yeah, so that was cool, 502 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: you know, Um, yeah, no, a guy like that, I mean, 503 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: he can definitely understand where I'm coming from. He was 504 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: in a you know, do you think people ever forgive you? 505 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: I think, you know, when enough time goes on and 506 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: people see, you know, through my actions that you know, 507 00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 1: this guy's really changed. I think, you know, I'll I'll 508 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 1: be worthy of it, and I think people eventually, you 509 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 1: mean everyone, No, but I think that I'm I'm the path, 510 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,000 Speaker 1: you know, with the path that I'm on, I think 511 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,119 Speaker 1: that I will be able to convince you know, people 512 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,400 Speaker 1: because it's from the heart that I have changed. Will 513 00:26:54,400 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: you ever forgive yourself? Um? Yeah, I mean, you know, 514 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,160 Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm proud of the person that I've 515 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: become and that I was able to turn such a 516 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,879 Speaker 1: negative into a positive. And you know, like when I 517 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: talk to these kids at high schools and colleges and 518 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: I see the look on their faces when I'm speaking 519 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: to them, it's just like such a fulfilling feeling to 520 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 1: be able to do that, and to you know, even 521 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: I mean, you're not going to be able to change 522 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 1: or you know, every single one of them, but if 523 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 1: you change five, that's you know, that's huge and this 524 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 1: is you doing this on your note, on your own 525 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: is not a condition of your No, no, no, absolutely not, 526 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,440 Speaker 1: absolutely not. It just that's you know, this is what 527 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 1: this is what God wanted. You know a lot of 528 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: my friends wanted to cop to get no. Absolutely no, 529 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: absolutely not. Um but this is what. This is why 530 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:51,240 Speaker 1: God so fit to it that I didn't get convicted 531 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 1: of murder and I didn't get killed. I'm still alive 532 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 1: for a reason, Like everything in life happens for a reason, 533 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: and that reason wasn't for me to be released after 534 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: eight years and go back to doing the same the 535 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 1: same stuff. Absolutely it was to come out and make 536 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 1: a difference in my own life and in other people's lives. 537 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: That's what I do. I read that you're also playing 538 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 1: a priest in a movie. Is that true? Yes? Right? 539 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: That was? That was That was That was my first role. 540 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: It wasn't as big as a film as the one 541 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,040 Speaker 1: I just you know completed, right, but you know that one, 542 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,400 Speaker 1: you know has Eric Roberts, got a nice cast as well. 543 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: They didn't do no background check on that one, no, 544 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: so but you know when they offered me that film, 545 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: the kid was from Yonker's His name is Frankie came 546 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 1: to my house with a box of cookies and a script. 547 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: Literally came to my house because you know we went 548 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 1: to the same high schools. Much younger than me. Rang 549 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: my doorbell and you know, said listen, I got the script. 550 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: I wrote it. You know we're gonna we got some 551 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 1: money and you know we want you to be in it, 552 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: you know, and I really look up to you. Bought 553 00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: the cookies we able to eat. Yeah, that's the weird offering. Yeah, 554 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: like a mix, like an assortment, a different you know 555 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 1: you recording antically you don't drink right now, drink. I 556 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: did read an article about you're going to clubs and 557 00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: how a lot of the people in the clubs, the owners, 558 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: they feel like they don't want to. I want twice. 559 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,520 Speaker 1: You know I can't just you know, go to like today. 560 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: To be here, I had to get a travel pass. 561 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: I have it in my bag from my paroval officer 562 00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 1: to you know travel I'm restricted my traveling. You know, 563 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm restricted into where where I travel. Um, I cannot 564 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: travel into any of the five boroughs without a travel 565 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: pass from my parole officer. What do you say? You say, yer? 566 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: Are you not allowed to drink? Or anything or is 567 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: that a condition of your Absolutely, yeah, that's one of 568 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: those stipulations. But at the same time, I know it's 569 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: my worst enemy because I know if I have, you know, 570 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: one drink, it turns me into a different person, and 571 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: it's going to bring me back to where I was. 572 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: And you know, even and maybe this time I'm not 573 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: going to be as lucky. But about your family where 574 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: they're very supportive of you while you were aware or 575 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: and the whole time that you were on drugs, did 576 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: they know did they say, okay, you know he's on 577 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: heroin and did they talk to you, sit you down 578 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: or was it something that you were able to hide 579 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:11,760 Speaker 1: from the No, no, no, it got to the point 580 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: where there was no hiding it. I was, you know, 581 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: I mean I was at rock bottom pretty much. I 582 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: mean I was as bad as you get. And you know, 583 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: my mom would cry and uh, you know, my mom 584 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,480 Speaker 1: and dad were just like, you know, so depressed on 585 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: what I had become. My brother wouldn't even talk to me, 586 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, I was I was a crackhead, 587 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know, there's no other way 588 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: to put it, right. I mean, did you clean up 589 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: stuff around the house for him, like, did were you 590 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: good with your hands maintenance? You know a lot of 591 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: crackheads in the hood, they're good with the hands. It's 592 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: good cheap label. No, no, I was. I didn't do 593 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: any of that. I was usually out. Yeah, money man, 594 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: he's not a typical crackhead. What are you doing cleaning? 595 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: Cause number this guy right now. Listen, we had this 596 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: discussion the other day. What do you think it's worse 597 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: alcohol or crack? You know what they equally is bad. 598 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: There equally is bad. Let me put it to you 599 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 1: this way. Detoxing from crack, it's very uncomfortable and you'll 600 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: go through the shakes and you'll you know you're sweat 601 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: and you know you'll come down really odd, but you 602 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:25,240 Speaker 1: won't die. If you're an alcoholic and you drink every 603 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 1: day for a certain amount of time, you cannot just 604 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: stop because you will die. Okay, you need librium. People 605 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, are very misconceived about you know. Alcohol. Alcohol 606 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: is a drug. Also rightly it happens to be legal, 607 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: but at the same time, it's just as destructive as 608 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: any of those other drugs. And usually it's the catalyst 609 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: because once you drink, your judgment becomes impaired, and all 610 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: the good things that you put in place out the 611 00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: window because now you think differently, you know. So you 612 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,440 Speaker 1: know I got to say they're equally as bad. Thank 613 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 1: you for proving me an envy right now, he said 614 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: equally as bad. You said, that's not proving listening. So 615 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,440 Speaker 1: um you UM, I don't want to ask you just now. Oh, 616 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: do you have any remorse when you're in jail for 617 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 1: the cop Absolutely, I still got remorse. I mean because 618 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: I feel like you was more sorry for yourself than it. No, 619 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this is listen. You know, I accepted, I 620 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: accepted responsibility, and I still do it for my actions, 621 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: my drug addiction. How they made a contribution in the 622 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: death of that heroic police officer Daniel. You know, that's 623 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: something that I got to live with for the rest 624 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: of my life. There's not one day that goes by 625 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: that I don't think of December tenth, two thousand and 626 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 1: five at least one time. Okay, sometimes it's twenty times, 627 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: but at least one time, and say, damn, you know, 628 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: I wish I could go back and change that night, 629 00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: and you know, and that guy would be alive. Still, 630 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: you know, do you think that much time when you 631 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: got that time, do you think it was so much 632 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: time for you? Since you said you didn't have anything 633 00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,520 Speaker 1: to do with the shooting and put a typical robbery 634 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,600 Speaker 1: case probably would have got a year. Um. Well, the 635 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: sentencing guidelines since it was an attempt at burglary in 636 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 1: the first degree, it was a sentencing guideline of three 637 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: and a half to fifteen years. Judge gave me ten 638 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: my first felony. You know, there was other cases in 639 00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: the same you know, in Bronx County that my lawyer 640 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:26,920 Speaker 1: spoke about in front of the judge prior to being sentenced. 641 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:30,960 Speaker 1: Guys with two and three felonies in the same county 642 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 1: the same charge. We're getting seven and eight years and 643 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 1: I got ten my first felony. But then someone died 644 00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: as well, right right? You know, do I think it 645 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: was excessive? I don't want to use the word excessive, 646 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: because I truly believe that it was you know, I mean, 647 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 1: the sentence imposed came out of the judge's mouth, but 648 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 1: I truly believe that the sentence imposed was one by God, 649 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: because I think that he that is the amount of 650 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: time that he thought that I needed, right and might 651 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: blessed that it wasn't worse than that. It could have 652 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: went way worse than that. Absolutely, I could have been 653 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: convicted of murder too, and I would have got a 654 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,440 Speaker 1: twenty to life or a twenty five to life. Now, 655 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: for our local listeners, west Chester Young because that seems 656 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,360 Speaker 1: like a pretty bad county as far as police in 657 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 1: the court systems, do you agree Westchester County tougher than 658 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: New York? I would say as far as being able 659 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,680 Speaker 1: to take a case like that to trial and being victorious, well, 660 00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: you you rarely see that in that in that county. 661 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 1: I think. I think with that same case, with that case, 662 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: um my lawyers, you know, and the lawyers that I 663 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: have spoken to all said that I was lucky that 664 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: that kind of case happened in the Bronx because you're 665 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: you're going to get the best jurors in the Bronx. 666 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: Had it happened in west Chester County, yeah, it would 667 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,719 Speaker 1: have been a very good shot. That a very tough place. 668 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: I would have you know, maybe in a situation like that, 669 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: maybe I wouldn't have taken it to trial. We heard 670 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: from Robert de Niro, No, did you ever have a 671 00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,719 Speaker 1: relationship with him? At all. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, we did. 672 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 1: You know, that was his directorial, the first movie he 673 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,640 Speaker 1: ever directed. And you know, did he turn you on 674 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: the drugs? No? No, he spot he did the exact opposite. 675 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: He tried to you know, he tried to tell me, 676 00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,399 Speaker 1: and he even came to my house and he went 677 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: to the wrong house. He rang the next little neighbors. 678 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,960 Speaker 1: That's that's an awkward intervention. And I'm trying to intervene. 679 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: I go to the wrong guy's house. No, but no, 680 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,480 Speaker 1: but he's you know, he's I mean, what a great guy. 681 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I mean, the guy taught me 682 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: so much. And to give a you know, you know, 683 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,280 Speaker 1: an unknown at fifteen years old, the shot of a lifetime. 684 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:48,880 Speaker 1: You do look like it could be you look like 685 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: Robert there a little bit. You know, it made sense, 686 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 1: and you know, I mean the decisions that I made 687 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 1: in my life definitely had to you know, let him down. 688 00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:01,000 Speaker 1: And I you know, I don't. I mean, I understand 689 00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,399 Speaker 1: that he hasn't reached out, but at the same time, 690 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: he still hadn't. He never said anything negative. He kind 691 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: of like, you know, just said that it was unfortunate 692 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: for everyone involved, which you know is what you're supposed 693 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:17,200 Speaker 1: to say in that situation, right, and you know, I 694 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,400 Speaker 1: mean I haven't reached out to him, but you know 695 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: one day after, you know, I mean, yeah, after, I 696 00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: truly believe, I mean, I think it's still too whirling now. 697 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,479 Speaker 1: I mean, not reach out to him for a job, 698 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: reach out to him just to make things right and 699 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: just to look in his eyes and say, you know, 700 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: do the family first though before Robin? Right, Yeah, no, absolutely, 701 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: I I mean I would have did that already. Believe me. 702 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 1: I want to sit ye and say, you know, listen, 703 00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: you know, you know I'm truly am you know, I 704 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: truly apologize and I am really sorry. But you say, 705 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: you know what, they're gonna see this. So if you 706 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,279 Speaker 1: had something to say to them right now, I had 707 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: something to say to them right now, you know. I mean, 708 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sorry, you know, for your loss, and 709 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:04,399 Speaker 1: I'm sorry for my involvement, you know, but please find 710 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,880 Speaker 1: it in your heart to forgive me. You know, I 711 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,320 Speaker 1: didn't you know, I wasn't. I didn't. You know, I 712 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 1: wasn't the one who who killed you know, your brother, 713 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,879 Speaker 1: and you know, hopefully in time and you know, even 714 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: if there was anything I can do for them, I 715 00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: would do it, you know, but I just you know, 716 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: with the situation, it's going to be really hard to 717 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: get them to forgive you and to open up to 718 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: you in a way which was you know, it almost 719 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: becomes amicable. I don't think that's ever a possibility. I 720 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: really don't, you know, which I understand. I'm not. I'm 721 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: not mad about it, you know, I understand because you know, 722 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:51,800 Speaker 1: in the situation was reversed, I probably I don't know 723 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,279 Speaker 1: what I would do to forgive you. It might help 724 00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: them to heal as well. Yeah, do you feel like 725 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: she'll get blackballed for anything in the future, Like I've 726 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 1: seen Chad's commentary has spoken out and said that you 727 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,160 Speaker 1: better not try to reach out to him, and right, 728 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: he would never reach out to you because he was 729 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: in a Bronx tale with you. Although right, do you 730 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 1: feel like there's certain roles or moving forward that you 731 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: might get black balled? Um? Yeah, absolutely, I think to 732 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 1: a certain extent that would definitely happen. I mean there 733 00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: are you know, I mean, it's a business, and in 734 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 1: that business there are all different kinds of people, and 735 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 1: there are some that will be more willing to give 736 00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: you the opportunity and maybe know someone who was in 737 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: a situation where they were involved in, you know, a 738 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:37,680 Speaker 1: drug addiction, and you know can understand and empathize and 739 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 1: what you went through and how it was the drugs 740 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 1: that put you in that situation. But now that you've 741 00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: used the situation and made yourself a better person. You know, 742 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: I tend narcotics anonymous meetings three to five times a week, 743 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,759 Speaker 1: try to help anyone in that situation, right, you know, 744 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 1: and try to talk to them. And you know what 745 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:57,839 Speaker 1: I think about you were in prison, did you write 746 00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,759 Speaker 1: a did you think about writing your man um Like 747 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 1: I said, the first three years in rykazal And I 748 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 1: couldn't think about anything else but that case. I had 749 00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: a case file, the whole case files was like, you know, 750 00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: a stack of papers that I used to have, you know, 751 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,800 Speaker 1: laid out on my bed and try to strategize. And 752 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: you know, I was in the law library a lot 753 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 1: and learning how to shepherdize cases in different case law 754 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 1: pertaining to that case and the charges that I was facing. 755 00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,560 Speaker 1: Trying to you know, educate myself as much possible in 756 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,800 Speaker 1: the law, to know what I was up against and 757 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: to help my lawyer, help me. So that's all I 758 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 1: could think about at that time. And then when I 759 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: was you know, acquitted of the murder and you know, 760 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 1: had an additional five and a half to serve, I 761 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: spent my time educating myself and learning business management. It's 762 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,640 Speaker 1: a it's a major that encompasses a lot. I took 763 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: you know, four accounting courses, financial management, politics, psychology. I 764 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,239 Speaker 1: learned so much and you know, and truly say I'm 765 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: a much better person for it. You know, we appreciate 766 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: you for winning us. Yeah, which the best man yeahs 767 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,719 Speaker 1: on your request to redemption. Yeah, thank you, Thank you 768 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: guys for the opportunity. Um, the movie. The movies could 769 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: have come out I think early next year. And I 770 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 1: also want to mention one other thing. I got something that, 771 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: uh is in the works right now, a film that 772 00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,880 Speaker 1: we currently trying to raise money. A film called Valhalla, 773 00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 1: which is the Westchester County Jail. It's a jail movie. Um, 774 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: it's a jail movie, but it's more about what I 775 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,600 Speaker 1: just spoke about, Like, the most important thing to somebody 776 00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:34,879 Speaker 1: incarcerated is not you know, UH, is not beating someone 777 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:36,920 Speaker 1: up or you know, the most important thing to someone 778 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: who's who's locked up is their freedom and how did 779 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: they get that freedom? And that's by learning the law. 780 00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: And when I read the script, I said, wow, that's 781 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: that's really the way this is. That's an accurate depiction. 782 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,800 Speaker 1: So for you know, for that reason, I'm very passionate 783 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: about the project because I want to kind of show 784 00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 1: people what jails really like. And uh, you know, so 785 00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,439 Speaker 1: we're we're really close to securing the financing. That's something 786 00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: that I would be a producer on and also starring. 787 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:06,920 Speaker 1: We're looking to start by June July on that and Valhalla. Yes, 788 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,960 Speaker 1: with that being said, thank you all for the opportunity. 789 00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you so much. Lelo Broncado Junior 790 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 1: is the Breakfast Club. Good morning,