WEBVTT - Vardø Witch Trials

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<v Speaker 1>and we are still in the Halloween season, which makes

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<v Speaker 1>me happy in my dark little heart, and I accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>started a witch theme, but that's not gonna last. Just

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<v Speaker 1>the two witch episodes of this one and the Bell Witch,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Bell Witch really doesn't even count in that regard.

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<v Speaker 1>But today's episode is legitimately about which trials uh and

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<v Speaker 1>actual accusations of witchcraft and Europe's witchcraft trials spanned three centuries,

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<v Speaker 1>from roughly fourteen fifty to seventeen fifty, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>really during the late sixteenth and seventeenth centuries that the

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<v Speaker 1>practice of trying people as witches was most fervent, and

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<v Speaker 1>from about fifteen seventy to sixteen eighty. It's estimated, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is a pretty wide uh gap of where the

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<v Speaker 1>estimate falls, that between forty thousand and sixty thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>across Europe were tried for sorcery of some form and

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<v Speaker 1>most of them were found guilty and put to death.

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen the fraction of like approximately two thirds, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard because there wasn't great record keeping to identify

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<v Speaker 1>exactly how many lost their lives because of this in

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<v Speaker 1>one particular town. Uh. This is an episode heavy in

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<v Speaker 1>Norwegian words, which I have no doubt I will butcher. Uh. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>even even having looked at pronunciations for them, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of the phonemes are not used in English, and so

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<v Speaker 1>replicating them, yeah, it's a stretch. So no upfront that

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<v Speaker 1>we will probably butcher it, and we mean no disrespect

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<v Speaker 1>to the Norwegian language. Our mouths just will not do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're going to talk about Varda, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>fishing village. It was known as Norway's witch capital, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was the site of a long series of quite

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<v Speaker 1>brutal inquests. And there were generally two different kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>witchcraft trials in Norway through this time period. There were

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<v Speaker 1>isolated trials where one person was brought before the court

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<v Speaker 1>and tried for sorcery, uh, like, just one person at

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<v Speaker 1>a time would pop up and seem suspicious. And then

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<v Speaker 1>there were panics where groups of people were tried in

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<v Speaker 1>rapid succession in a very short period of time. And

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<v Speaker 1>whereas the isolated trials had more to do with an

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<v Speaker 1>individual person practicing witchcraft or some sort of sorcery, these

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<v Speaker 1>panics were driven by the idea that demons were involved

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<v Speaker 1>usually and that groups of which is we're consorting with

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<v Speaker 1>the devil. So today we're going to talk about two

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<v Speaker 1>of the panics that took place in Varda, Norway. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And first we're going to give you a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of geographical context about the area. So Varda sits in

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<v Speaker 1>Finnmark County, is Norway's only town that's in the Arctic

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<v Speaker 1>climate zone and offers views of the Norwegian Russian Arctic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a really small coastal village. There are fewer than

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<v Speaker 1>d inhabitants. It's Northern Norway's oldest town, with settlements dating

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<v Speaker 1>back as far as nine thousand years and in the

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds both a church and Varta fortress were built there

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<v Speaker 1>and the town sort of grew up around primarily the fortress.

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<v Speaker 1>And despite the brutal weather, the fishing along the coast

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<v Speaker 1>of finn Mark was plentiful and the location offered really

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<v Speaker 1>really um lucrative trade opportunities even today. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 1>is remote. Its relative isolation is one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 1>that finn Mark's witch trials were so expedient. Copenhagen, which

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<v Speaker 1>under Danish rule was Norway's capital, was far enough away

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<v Speaker 1>that the local authorities of finn Mark basically got to

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<v Speaker 1>act independently. There was such a big geographical distance from

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<v Speaker 1>any higher authority that the decisions to execute witches were

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<v Speaker 1>basically made with total conviction, and then the sentences were

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<v Speaker 1>carried out without hesitation. There was no like Norwegian h

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<v Speaker 1>version of of like the Department of Justice over seeing

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<v Speaker 1>the witch trial situation in Finnmark correct, But the directives

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<v Speaker 1>to to prosecute, which is came from very high because

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<v Speaker 1>during some of this time from sixty the ruler of

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<v Speaker 1>the Danish Norwegian Kingdom was King Christian the fourth, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had an agenda when it came to witches. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I should say they're that like even if there had

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<v Speaker 1>been an equivalent of the Justice department overseeing the witch

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<v Speaker 1>trial situation, it would not have had the effect of

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<v Speaker 1>preventing the execution of witches. And the officials of the

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<v Speaker 1>crown at this time, who served under Christian the fourth,

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<v Speaker 1>we're basically charged with the task of ridding the country

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<v Speaker 1>of witches, and they were very committed to this job.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's not surprising that there was a level of

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<v Speaker 1>comfort in acting with this complete authority. In cases of

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<v Speaker 1>witchcraft at the local level. From the late sixteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>into the seventeenth century, Varda, which is a small village,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, stage a hundred and four different trials

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<v Speaker 1>and in nine documented cases the accused was found guilty

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<v Speaker 1>and put to death either by burning or by torture.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of these happened in clusters where many people were

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<v Speaker 1>prosecuted over very short periods of time, and the numbers

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<v Speaker 1>here get really interesting because during the time of these

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<v Speaker 1>witch hunts, less than one percent of Norway's population lived

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<v Speaker 1>in the Finnmark area where these trials took place, but

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<v Speaker 1>this remote fishing community was home to thirty one of

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<v Speaker 1>the witch executions in Norway, so disproportionately large numbers of

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<v Speaker 1>people were being charged and punished by death for being witches.

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<v Speaker 1>In finn Mark there were one d eleven women and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four men accused of sorcery. Of thee put to

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<v Speaker 1>death seventy seven where women in fourteen were men and

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<v Speaker 1>the Sami people, which is an indigenous Scandinavian culture which

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<v Speaker 1>still exists today, were some of the first to be

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<v Speaker 1>targeted in this witch panic. They had been the for

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<v Speaker 1>known people to live in Finnmark, but as that area colonized,

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<v Speaker 1>they became the minority. Approximately eighty percent of those accused

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<v Speaker 1>of witchcraft and finn Mark were Norwegian were Sami. When

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<v Speaker 1>considering gender, though these numbers skew in a totally different way.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the twenty four men who were accused of witchcraft

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<v Speaker 1>in the area, sixteen were from the Sami people. At

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<v Speaker 1>least thirteen of those, sixteen were found guilty and executed,

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<v Speaker 1>and that disparity in proportions is likely do according to

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<v Speaker 1>historian live Helene Williamson, who is kind of an expert

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<v Speaker 1>on this area of study, to the fact that Sami

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<v Speaker 1>men in particular had a reputation for sorcery throughout Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is linked probably to some of their cultural practices.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, uh, they used this, uh they would do

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<v Speaker 1>this ritual where they used run drums where they were

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<v Speaker 1>basically kind of doing chance and people went, oh, that

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<v Speaker 1>must be evil. It wasn't. It's just part of their culture.

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<v Speaker 1>And in sixteen o nine, King Christian the fourth wrote

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<v Speaker 1>a letter to his district governors that they should persecute

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<v Speaker 1>Sami sorcerers without mercy, and that really catalyzed finn Mark's

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<v Speaker 1>witch hunting phase. So while the trials of the seventeenth

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<v Speaker 1>century might have primarily affected Norwegian women, it does appear

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<v Speaker 1>that bias against the Sami people really started things. In

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<v Speaker 1>the early sixteen hundreds, Sami were targeted more frequently, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the trials transitioned to focus on the women of

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<v Speaker 1>finn Mark, and part of the mindset that led to

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<v Speaker 1>this witch panic was the idea common in the sixteenth

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<v Speaker 1>and seventeen centuries that the far north of the European continent,

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<v Speaker 1>including the coast of Norway, was sort of home to

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<v Speaker 1>the devil. This idea appears to have been born of

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<v Speaker 1>a tangle of ideologies and fears. For one, although Christianity

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<v Speaker 1>had spread throughout Europe, there were still people, including those

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<v Speaker 1>in the northern fringes, who didn't practice it, which drew

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of suspicion from the Church did sationally. This

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<v Speaker 1>was and still is a place where the climate can

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<v Speaker 1>be incredibly punishing, and that stormy nature was attributed to sorcery.

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<v Speaker 1>The icy cold winds from the north were believed to

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<v Speaker 1>originate at the devil's home and to be a conveyance

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<v Speaker 1>of the devil's will of sorcery and of evil spirits.

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<v Speaker 1>And these spirits, of course, specialized in nautical dark magic.

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<v Speaker 1>And these were not just locally held ideas. Many areas

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe, including France, England, Sweden, Germany and Scotland, were

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<v Speaker 1>homes of people who believed that Norway was virtually riddled

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<v Speaker 1>with witches, and the Mountain of Dolmen, which sat between

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<v Speaker 1>two fishing villages, was believed to be the site of

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<v Speaker 1>the entrance to a tunnel that went directly to Hell,

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<v Speaker 1>and a cave within that mountain was reportedly the genesis

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<v Speaker 1>point for various demons who then spread from there throughout

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<v Speaker 1>the European continent. So we're about to get into these panics,

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<v Speaker 1>the sixteen twenties. As with any of history's witchcraft persecution episodes,

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<v Speaker 1>sorcery was often the scapegoat for difficult or tragic events

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<v Speaker 1>that happened in any community, and finn Mark experienced a

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<v Speaker 1>really terrible storm one Christmas early on in the seventeenth century.

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<v Speaker 1>So the unexpected sixteen seventeen Christmas Eve storm hit when

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen boats from Varda and seven boats from uh Kaiberg.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I'm saying that terribly wrong, so I apologize.

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<v Speaker 1>We're all at sea and ten of those boats capsized

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<v Speaker 1>and forty fishermen were drowned. Struggling to cope with the

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<v Speaker 1>loss of so many of the villages men, at one time,

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<v Speaker 1>members of the community started to point to witchcraft is

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<v Speaker 1>the cause of this tragedy. The population of both villages

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<v Speaker 1>combined was less than three hundred people, so forty deaths

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<v Speaker 1>really did have a massive impact on the community. And

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<v Speaker 1>this incident eventually catalyzed a piece of legislation that allowed

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<v Speaker 1>for mass prosecution, specifically in the charge of witchcraft. And

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<v Speaker 1>it actually took a long time to enact that law

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<v Speaker 1>and get it up and running. While it was first

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<v Speaker 1>introduced in October sixteen seventeen, it really wasn't enforced until

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen twenty. This ability meant that there was one of

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<v Speaker 1>those instances where a lot of people, both men and women,

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<v Speaker 1>faced charges of witchcraft and were found guilty. So in

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<v Speaker 1>January of sixty one, during the anti sorcery proceed dings,

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<v Speaker 1>a woman appeared at the trials and claimed that witches

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<v Speaker 1>had indeed tied knots in the fishing nets and cast

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<v Speaker 1>spells on them. Her name was Elsa Knutes daughter, and

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<v Speaker 1>she detailed how a group of witches had tied three

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<v Speaker 1>knots in a piece of string. They had cursed the

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<v Speaker 1>knots and then spit on them, and then as those

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<v Speaker 1>knots were untied, that curse was activated and the sea

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<v Speaker 1>consequently claimed the lives of those fishermen. She herself was

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<v Speaker 1>accused of witchcraft and was thrown into the sea to

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<v Speaker 1>see if she floated. This is all too common and

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<v Speaker 1>pretty foolish practice. The thinking was that the water, which

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<v Speaker 1>was believed to be a sacred element, would repel evil,

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<v Speaker 1>which was why which is floated. Elsa floated, dooming herself

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<v Speaker 1>to a guilty verdict, and then she was put to death.

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<v Speaker 1>In February of one another woman on Lar's daughter, testified

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<v Speaker 1>before the court, and initially she refused to speak, and

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<v Speaker 1>she was, like Elsa, thrown into the sea for the

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<v Speaker 1>water test. But after this test began, she readily confessed,

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<v Speaker 1>and this was framed at the time as the water

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<v Speaker 1>test having released her from the devil's spell. She claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that when she had been questioned earlier, the devil had

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<v Speaker 1>silenced her tongue, and when she did speak, she said

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<v Speaker 1>that she had met with the devil on Christmas Eve

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<v Speaker 1>of sixteen seventeen. She went on to say that she

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<v Speaker 1>had that evening flown through the air alongside the devil,

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<v Speaker 1>and that he had taken her from one village to

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<v Speaker 1>another where a total of forty witches had gathered to

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<v Speaker 1>celebrate the Sabbath. After these events, she went back to

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<v Speaker 1>her home. Mari Jorgan's daughter also testified, and she said

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<v Speaker 1>that the devil had visited her on Christmas Eve and

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<v Speaker 1>asked if she would serve him, and then took her

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<v Speaker 1>to the home of Kirsty Soren's daughter. Kirsty, according to

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<v Speaker 1>Marie's testimony, cast a spell on her that transformed her

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<v Speaker 1>into a raven, enabling her to quickly make the journey

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<v Speaker 1>to the gathering where the not curse was performed. Marie

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<v Speaker 1>gave added information that a similar Christmas Eve Sabbath had

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<v Speaker 1>happened in the time between the sixteen seventeen tragedy in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixty one trials on Christmas Eve sixteen twenty and

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<v Speaker 1>Kirsty Soren's daughter figured prominently in a lot of the testimony.

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<v Speaker 1>She was characters characterized by others on trial as the

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<v Speaker 1>leader of the group, and she was also one of

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<v Speaker 1>the last women who testified in the sixty one trials,

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<v Speaker 1>and she had witnessed how things had played out for

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<v Speaker 1>those that had faced the court before her. Under threat

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<v Speaker 1>of torture, she confirmed what the other women had said

0:15:30.160 --> 0:15:33.720
<v Speaker 1>about their rituals, dooming herself to be burned at the stake.

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<v Speaker 1>During her court appearance, Kristie names two men who had

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<v Speaker 1>also participated in the rituals while men were tried for

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<v Speaker 1>witchcraft in Norway during all this time. Neither of the

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<v Speaker 1>men that she named were formally accused. But if legal

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<v Speaker 1>records of later trials are taken at face value, because

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<v Speaker 1>there there are records of all of these proceedings that

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<v Speaker 1>are apparently pretty well um maintained, they're in pretty good shape.

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<v Speaker 1>But they are they're literally like on file. Uh they're

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<v Speaker 1>in Norway, so they're not online or anything, but they

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<v Speaker 1>basically like lay out as though this this is a

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<v Speaker 1>legal document. These are legal proceedings all of these things

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<v Speaker 1>that we're talking about today, So there is a record

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<v Speaker 1>of all of these trials uh and if they are

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<v Speaker 1>taking at face value, there were still practicing, which is

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<v Speaker 1>in finn Mark for decades after the many deaths of

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<v Speaker 1>the sixty one trials, and while more than ten women

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<v Speaker 1>were put to death in sixteen twenty one, a series

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<v Speaker 1>of trials in the sixteen sixties would claim even more lives.

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<v Speaker 1>In late sixteen sixty two, more than thirty were accused

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<v Speaker 1>of sorcery in a series of trials that played out

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<v Speaker 1>into sixteen sixty three. Among the accused were not just

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<v Speaker 1>adult women, but also young girls under the age of twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>and most of the testimonies in this case were confessions

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<v Speaker 1>that were tortured out of women uh and threatened out

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<v Speaker 1>of children who said that they had met and celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>with the devil at Domain, which we mentioned earlier. During

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<v Speaker 1>the trial, several of the accused of that they had

0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.479
<v Speaker 1>traveled Doman's pathway to Hell and that it was a

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<v Speaker 1>long black valley with a boiling lake at the bottom.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of the children victimized in these trials was

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<v Speaker 1>Ingeborg Iver's daughter, who was found guilty of sorcery because

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<v Speaker 1>of her association with two women and another girl and

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<v Speaker 1>their Christmas Eve sixteen sixty two activities. So that day

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<v Speaker 1>Iver's daughter and a woman named Solvinil's daughter were actually

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<v Speaker 1>in custody for suspected witchcraft. They were imprisoned at Vardahoo's fortress,

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<v Speaker 1>but according to testimony given before the court, they turned

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<v Speaker 1>into cats, escaped the fortress and met with the devil

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<v Speaker 1>outside the gates, and then the devil took them to

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<v Speaker 1>one of these witch meetings, and it's there that they

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<v Speaker 1>met the other woman and girl that were involved in

0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:53.600
<v Speaker 1>this particular accusation in the testimony, and after much carousing

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<v Speaker 1>and celebrating, the devil then returned them to the fortress

0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.720
<v Speaker 1>Ingeborg had the unhappy distinct and of being the first

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<v Speaker 1>child accused of witchcraft and fin mark when she appeared

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<v Speaker 1>at her trial on January sixty three. Her exact age

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<v Speaker 1>is unknown, but she was described in court records as

0:18:10.640 --> 0:18:14.199
<v Speaker 1>quote a little girl. Her mother had already been burned

0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:18.159
<v Speaker 1>for witchcraft, and she had said that her mother taught

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<v Speaker 1>her witchcraft by giving her a tainted bowl of milk.

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<v Speaker 1>There was this perception at the time that witchcraft was

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<v Speaker 1>conveyed often through tainted food or drink, and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>you you passed it on from one generation to the next.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the devil, after she had had this tainted milk,

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<v Speaker 1>the devil was conjured by her mother in the form

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<v Speaker 1>of a black dog, and that dog bit her repeatedly.

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<v Speaker 1>And this same sort of narrative was described by the

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<v Speaker 1>other five girls as well, being given like a tainted

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<v Speaker 1>usually milk and then this black dog devil coming and

0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.479
<v Speaker 1>and sort of attacking them as a form of trial.

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<v Speaker 1>And while to the court at the time, uh this

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<v Speaker 1>may have indicated truthfulness, each earl's testimony validated what had

0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:04.680
<v Speaker 1>come before because they were pretty consistent, but it also

0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:07.520
<v Speaker 1>suggests that perhaps they had simply heard the same tale

0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.800
<v Speaker 1>over and over from somewhere, And we're going to get

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<v Speaker 1>to a possible source of that tale in just a moment.

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<v Speaker 1>We're also going to go into a bit more detail

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<v Speaker 1>about the Vardas Fortress and some of the people who

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<v Speaker 1>were held there as captives. But before we do, we

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<v Speaker 1>that holding situation that we mentioned before, the break in

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<v Speaker 1>Varde Hoo's fortress, which you will also sometimes see translated

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<v Speaker 1>as vardehs varde host Castle was where most of the

0:20:56.920 --> 0:21:00.399
<v Speaker 1>torture used to illicit confessions took place. And there was

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<v Speaker 1>this single room called the witches Hole uh where sort

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<v Speaker 1>of these torturous events happened. And while the use of

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<v Speaker 1>torture was technically illegal before a sentence was passed on

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<v Speaker 1>a prisoner, it was still used both before the sentence

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<v Speaker 1>to gain confessions and then after sentencing there would be

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<v Speaker 1>more torture to produce names of accomplices. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>interesting factors in this panic is the influence of two people,

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<v Speaker 1>a husband and a wife, on the confessions of the accused.

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<v Speaker 1>This pair, Ambrosius Rhodius and and Frieder's daughter Rosas, had

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<v Speaker 1>been imprisoned near modern day Oslo before being moved to

0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:41.240
<v Speaker 1>vardahos Flortress. Ambrosius was an astrologer and a physician who

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<v Speaker 1>was considered politically dangerous after having made some accurate predictions

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<v Speaker 1>about military conflicts and his wife, Anne, who was the

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<v Speaker 1>granddaughter of King Frederick the Second, had some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>serious argument with political figures in their hometown. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they were moved to Vardejus because they were considered basically

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<v Speaker 1>enemies of the state at that point. Because the fortress

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of crowded in the sixteen sixties panic, at

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<v Speaker 1>least one of the children imprisoned there shared quarters with

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.639
<v Speaker 1>the Rhodeus couple, and additionally, Anne had a key to

0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:17.240
<v Speaker 1>the witch's whole, and it's documented that Anne spoke with

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<v Speaker 1>both the women and girls who were being held in

0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:22.720
<v Speaker 1>the fortress awaiting trial, and that she talked at length

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<v Speaker 1>with them about demonology and that she encouraged their confessions.

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<v Speaker 1>On the up side, all six of the little girls

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<v Speaker 1>involved in the sixteen sixty two to sixteen sixty three

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:34.280
<v Speaker 1>panic were acquitted on the grounds that they were too

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<v Speaker 1>young to be held accountable for their actions and that

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<v Speaker 1>they had undoubtedly been influenced by the adult which is

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<v Speaker 1>around them. And over the course of the sixteen sixties

0:22:44.680 --> 0:22:48.040
<v Speaker 1>series of accusations and trials, we mentioned that thirty people

0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:52.000
<v Speaker 1>had been accused. Two women died while being tortured for

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<v Speaker 1>information before they could be sentenced and twenty others were sentenced,

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<v Speaker 1>found guilty and burned at the stake. In twenty eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>the country of Norway made a significant gesture of apology

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<v Speaker 1>and recognition of the people known to have been executed

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<v Speaker 1>for witchcraft. Peter Zumthor, an architect from Switzerland, and Louise Bourgeois,

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<v Speaker 1>a French American artist, worked together to design a memorial

0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.680
<v Speaker 1>for the lives that were lost. So this student set

0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 1>memorial sits on a piece of remote coastline on the

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<v Speaker 1>Barren Sea, believed to be the site of many of

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<v Speaker 1>the executions and the architect's contribution to the work, which

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<v Speaker 1>is titled Memory Hall, looks like a hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>eight yard or a hundred and forty five meter long

0:23:33.240 --> 0:23:36.760
<v Speaker 1>corridor built at the edge of the sea, but instead

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<v Speaker 1>of exterior walls, it has an open, cross hatched frame.

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<v Speaker 1>That frame, which is made of pines, supports a tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>like silk cocoon, and then within the fabric tunnel is

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<v Speaker 1>a hallway with oak floors. Within the interior are ninety

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<v Speaker 1>one lamps and each of them illuminates a window that

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<v Speaker 1>represents one of the executed and an engraving dedicated to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the people killed for witchcraft, including the testimony

0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 1>that was used against them. The second part of the memorial,

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<v Speaker 1>which can be entered by visitors once they have passed

0:24:04.680 --> 0:24:08.800
<v Speaker 1>through that long type memorial corridor, is Bourgeoise Creation, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's entitled The Damned, the Possessed, and the Beloved. And

0:24:12.200 --> 0:24:16.000
<v Speaker 1>this element is a black glass room and inside there

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<v Speaker 1>is a chair in the center that burns continuously and

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<v Speaker 1>there are three mirrors mounted above it to create the

0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:25.640
<v Speaker 1>illusion of the space being consumed in fire. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a unique thing. I can't I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>of many other countries that have done anything like this.

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<v Speaker 1>It's quite beautiful. There's some really good pictures online and

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<v Speaker 1>we will have links to those in the show notes.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's an interesting testament to uh, how things have

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<v Speaker 1>changed in their their efforts to kind of they obviously

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<v Speaker 1>cannot fix what has gone before, but to at least

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<v Speaker 1>acknowledge the wrongs that were done and and how misguided

0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the attempts to rid the country of evil through witchcraft

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>trials were. So that's the the varnto witch trials, Oh,

0:24:59.600 --> 0:25:02.520
<v Speaker 1>which tis like people have such a fascination with which

0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:08.120
<v Speaker 1>trials but they're depressing. They're so depressing they are. It

0:25:08.160 --> 0:25:10.960
<v Speaker 1>breaks my heart if you if you read about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>these little girls, children that were being forced to testify,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes alongside their mothers and sometimes after their mothers had

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<v Speaker 1>already been killed, and it's there's such brutality to it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's rough. Do you have some listener mail that's less?

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<v Speaker 1>I do. It's actually fantastic. Yeah, it's very upbeaten, peppy

0:25:35.680 --> 0:25:39.800
<v Speaker 1>if you're me especially. It is from our listener Janet,

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<v Speaker 1>and it is two postcards. I have a one of

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<v Speaker 1>two and a two of two. She says, Hi again,

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<v Speaker 1>Holly and Tracy. I sent you ladies a card from

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<v Speaker 1>Venice recently. But when I got to London and saw

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<v Speaker 1>what the special exhibition at the Victorian Albert was undressed

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.400
<v Speaker 1>a history of underwear, I knew I had to send

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<v Speaker 1>you postcards about it or two. As it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a nagging feeling you may have already gotten

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<v Speaker 1>list mail about this, but just in case, I'm sending

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<v Speaker 1>uh some myself. This Krineline definitely made me realize afresh

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<v Speaker 1>why they talk about making designing underwear in terms of engineering.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's a lovely photograph of a cage bustle like

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<v Speaker 1>a cage krinoline. UM. And then the second one she says,

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<v Speaker 1>hello again, ladies. I couldn't decide between this postcard and

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<v Speaker 1>the one with the cage crinoline, so I'm sending them both.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew a lot about the content covered in the

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<v Speaker 1>Undressed exhibission thanks to my own dabbling in the history

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<v Speaker 1>of fashion and costume design, as well as Holly's Bloomers

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<v Speaker 1>and Beyond podcast, so it was really cool to see

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<v Speaker 1>some examples of the underwear itself, especially of course it's

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<v Speaker 1>etcetera for pregnant women. No postcards of those. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>again for all your great work. So the second one

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<v Speaker 1>that she sent is UM a photograph of men's underwear

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<v Speaker 1>from UH. It's believed Britain in the nineteen fifties, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just so sort of structured and uncasual in comparison

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<v Speaker 1>to modern underwear, but you see the seeds of what

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<v Speaker 1>modern underwear is like. So they you, thank you, Thank you, Uh, Janet.

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<v Speaker 1>These are just lovely and I will say um. A

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<v Speaker 1>friend of the show, Brian Young, went to see this

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<v Speaker 1>exhibit and very sweetly brought me back an exhibition catalog,

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm pretty much in heaven. I'm bummed that I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get to see it in person, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very delighted and fortunate, and that many people have

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<v Speaker 1>sent me materials from it. I feel very yeah yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, who doesn't want to look at pregnancy course?

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