Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know me.
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Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 4: This was the best episode of the season, hands down,
Speaker 4: best episode of the season so far. Like, I love
Speaker 4: this episode so much and enjoy you as the director
Speaker 4: and crashed it.
Speaker 1: You crashed it, thanks, babe. I had so much fun.
Speaker 1: It was a good one.
Speaker 2: It's such a fun episode, and I think like having
Speaker 2: you direct it as well, because we were all having
Speaker 2: these really surreal experiences being faced with our own characters,
Speaker 2: Like I think it added such a realism to the
Speaker 2: comedy because we were six years into really being able
Speaker 2: to be out in the world without being met by
Speaker 2: people who knew us from TV in the way that
Speaker 2: our characters were being met by these people who thought
Speaker 2: they knew us either from a book or a breakdown,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: And people who were identifying with us. They were like,
Speaker 1: I'm such a Brook, I'm such a Peyton, I'm such aude. No,
Speaker 1: we've got rooms full of them. So funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love you.
Speaker 4: So you were the only person that could have directed this.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 4: It was so meta and so weird. Give us the
Speaker 4: rundown show it. What's the breakdown you got at the beginning?
Speaker 1: I got Season six, Episode sixteen, Screenwriters Blues, Air date
Speaker 1: February second, two thousand and nine. Lucas wrestles with casting
Speaker 1: for his movie, while Peyton tries to prepare for their future.
Speaker 1: Dan advises Jamie on a school crash. Brooke meets the
Speaker 1: actress who will play her my favorite so this is
Speaker 1: so fun, while Nathan gets exciting news and Haley has
Speaker 1: to make a tough decision at school. There was a
Speaker 1: lot packed into this and it was written by Mike
Speaker 1: Harrow and David Strauss.
Speaker 4: Everybody had storylines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, everybody had something to do.
Speaker 2: We should have done that all the time.
Speaker 1: Even Vaughn showed up, like brought him in again, which
Speaker 1: it's been a while since we'd seen him. It was great.
Speaker 1: Everybody had a little something.
Speaker 4: Yeah, loved it. I didn't even bring my notes down
Speaker 4: here into the office because I was like, OK, I
Speaker 4: don't need the notes. I love this so and I remember,
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I remember being a little bit nervous
Speaker 4: because Chad had directed, but you were directing, and I
Speaker 4: was like, oh no, is this an opportunity to like
Speaker 4: talk us out of the ticks that we'd all developed
Speaker 4: after six years of doing this show. I was like,
Speaker 4: is this going to be the time I find out
Speaker 4: that like Joy really hates when I deliver a line
Speaker 4: this way, or I make like this dumb face, or
Speaker 4: I didn't know how it would feel to be directed
Speaker 4: by a female peer like the boys we were always
Speaker 4: kind of separate from. But I was like, yeah, oh no,
Speaker 4: And instead it turned into this opportunity where you could
Speaker 4: feel there were some things in the script that were
Speaker 4: kind of cheesy, and you found a way to make
Speaker 4: those moments really funny and like play with the dialogue
Speaker 4: in a way that just felt really collaborative and good.
Speaker 4: You did it in the scene with you and Lucas,
Speaker 4: you did it in the scene with you and me,
Speaker 4: Like the cheesy lines became paunchlines.
Speaker 1: Like what else do children get into your heart?
Speaker 2: Your heart?
Speaker 4: That's exactly the line I'm thinking of that, And I
Speaker 4: think that's part.
Speaker 2: Of why I love the way the dynamics feel in
Speaker 2: the episode so much, is because we were all making decisions,
Speaker 2: like you were leading a female perspective to make choices,
Speaker 2: and so we all got to be the team that normally,
Speaker 2: to your point, Hill, we were up against like it
Speaker 2: would normally be one of us or two of us,
Speaker 2: occasionally three of us together in a scene being like
Speaker 2: girls don't talk like this, and having a guy like
Speaker 2: it's on the page, you have to do it, and
Speaker 2: it says right here, she's emotional or she's crying or whatever.
Speaker 2: We didn't have to follow any of those rules with
Speaker 2: you because you were sick of following those rules too.
Speaker 2: And what I sort of love is that not only
Speaker 2: do we get to clearly have more fun, but also
Speaker 2: all the stuff that I was worried that we were
Speaker 2: getting made fun of. For Like the episode opens on
Speaker 2: a Nathan and Haley and she's in the poncho and
Speaker 2: it's like, oh god, how many how many hits are
Speaker 2: the writers going to take at us because they get
Speaker 2: to make fun of our characters, And instead it was like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, well, all the boys will be shirtless because
Speaker 2: that's what you guys try to do to us, and
Speaker 2: all the boys are going to snap and not be
Speaker 2: able to handle the pressure, and we're all going to
Speaker 2: be cool. Like it just it flipped the dynamic in
Speaker 2: a way that was really fun to watch. And I
Speaker 2: don't know, I felt like I felt like we got
Speaker 2: some good shots in at what we were dealing with
Speaker 2: by the scenes.
Speaker 1: I loved it, Yeah, totally. Yeah, it was a really
Speaker 1: nice space us to be able to throw in those
Speaker 1: shots in a way that felt fair and totally believable
Speaker 1: and within the context of the story.
Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and then it still wound up being funny, right, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we still got that comic relief even though Nathan sits
Speaker 2: and goes, you know, why am I not wearing a shirt?
Speaker 4: Like what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Weird? Right? And then you still get Brooke walking into
Speaker 2: like a you know, a sea of dudes that are
Speaker 2: built like fitness models and being like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: you know a human would So it wasn't like it
Speaker 2: was all one sided. But I don't know, it just
Speaker 2: it felt it felt ripe.
Speaker 4: Right. How early did you get the script?
Speaker 1: A week and a half maybe, two. What it was,
Speaker 1: it was like pretty pretty fast. There was a week
Speaker 1: of prep, so it was there was. It was a
Speaker 1: lot thrown at me. And if it had not been
Speaker 1: our show, I don't know how I wouldn't have been
Speaker 1: able to do it. I mean, we had our there
Speaker 1: was so much of it. It was just a well
Speaker 1: oiled machine. Our crew knew exactly what to do. I
Speaker 1: mean I was there for quality control and sort of
Speaker 1: guidance of my vision and opinion of how how to
Speaker 1: shape things. But the clay was basically molded. We'd been
Speaker 1: doing that for so long, so it wasn't an incredibly
Speaker 1: tall order from that point of view. But you guys,
Speaker 1: I remember being really generous and patient with me as
Speaker 1: I was learning. Was the first thing I'd ever directed.
Speaker 1: And to come in and direct people who I respect,
Speaker 1: and I you know, I know what great performance you
Speaker 1: guys were. And I didn't want to I didn't want
Speaker 1: to create tension or like make something. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it just I just didn't know what to expect. I
Speaker 1: knew that we would all be respectful, but like I
Speaker 1: wanted to make it good, and I didn't want to
Speaker 1: put my foot in my mouth or step in it
Speaker 1: or hurt anybody's feelings or whatever, and still trying.
Speaker 2: Are you really going to make base? Is that your bad?
Speaker 1: Chad's the only person I could ever say that too,
Speaker 1: and he would just you know, it was like somehow
Speaker 1: I got away with it with.
Speaker 2: Him, well the same.
Speaker 4: That's why I was like when Chad directed, I've always
Speaker 4: been able to be really frank with Chad because that's
Speaker 4: just the dynamic of our relationship. It was different when
Speaker 4: it was like a peer that I felt closer to,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like it's having I don't know,
Speaker 4: it's a weird thing where pushing back feels dangerous if
Speaker 4: it's someone that you care about, because you're like, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 4: how are we going to navigate this well?
Speaker 2: And we were all in it together as a cast obviously,
Speaker 2: and you know, joy for you and for Chad directing
Speaker 2: for the first time this year. It's not just that
Speaker 2: you're saying to a director like, I don't know that
Speaker 2: I necessarily agree with this because fill in the blank
Speaker 2: six years of backstory with your character. But you're looking
Speaker 2: at your friend that you know is nervous because this
Speaker 2: is a really big deal, and you're like, you might
Speaker 2: not remember that last year my character did this, But
Speaker 2: I remember, and I don't know how to say this
Speaker 2: to you in a way where it will not feel personal,
Speaker 2: And I really don't mean to stress you out. I
Speaker 2: have a thought like they're just the panic of like
Speaker 2: I don't want to hurt your feelings. It's like such
Speaker 2: a real thing, and I don't think we felt that
Speaker 2: even with the directors we were friends with. We didn't
Speaker 2: feel that with other directors because they were all, you know,
Speaker 2: older than us, and they'd been doing this for a
Speaker 2: long time. And it's funny you saying that. It like
Speaker 2: my chest feels tight, like in a sweet way of
Speaker 2: like I just want to make sure you're okay, but
Speaker 2: also I want to be okay, And how do we
Speaker 2: do this together. It's such a big professional leap that
Speaker 2: we all, you know, took on these journeys.
Speaker 1: I felt the weight of responsibility of that that it
Speaker 1: like I even looking back now, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we all I don't know. I don't know exactly how
Speaker 1: the old adage like the quote is, but basically like
Speaker 1: everybody already knows what their biggest problems are, and they're
Speaker 1: like what their flaws and faults are and like, looking back,
Speaker 1: I I know that my stubbornness in particular was like
Speaker 1: probably my worst flaw, qualled personal character flaw at the time.
Speaker 1: So so stubborn when I saw something and I thought
Speaker 1: it needed to be a certain way, like that was it.
Speaker 1: I really had a hard time getting around it. Part
Speaker 1: of it was the ADH shape, but some of it
Speaker 1: was just like there's a lot of it. It was just
Speaker 1: other stuff.
Speaker 4: We've learned so much about brains in the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know, right, but whatever. Some of
Speaker 1: it's just that was just where I was in life.
Speaker 1: But so the weight of responsibility of wanting to be
Speaker 1: open and get over that thing that I knew was
Speaker 1: my flaw of being so stubborn when I would see
Speaker 1: something a certain way and trying to be able to
Speaker 1: listen and then and then change it and improvise it
Speaker 1: the last second because somebody else had a different idea
Speaker 1: and you want to be open to that. Like, I
Speaker 1: learned so much. I learned so much on this episode
Speaker 1: End with you guys in particular, it was really it
Speaker 1: was a really cool experience and you were all so generous.
Speaker 4: It's a perfect episode. I think whatever you did you
Speaker 4: did it right, because it is a perfect episode. There
Speaker 4: wasn't a single scene where I was like, when's this over.
Speaker 2: Usually there's like a.
Speaker 4: Couple snoozer scenes per episode. This one was like all
Speaker 4: the hits. It was a whole CD of the hits.
Speaker 1: The secret is keep the camera moving. That's it. You
Speaker 1: just keep it moving as much as you can. If
Speaker 1: there's anything that feels slow, just keep going. Eventually it
Speaker 1: all just blends together like one long music video.
Speaker 4: But that's actually that's how it felt. The transitions from
Speaker 4: scene to scene really felt smooth. You know, we talked
Speaker 4: a bit in the past about just recently about how
Speaker 4: our episodes felt kind of disjointed, like Sophia was on
Speaker 4: a horror movie and I'm doing, you know, baby boom,
Speaker 4: and like everybody was doing different shit. And this really
Speaker 4: felt cohesive and cool. And not only did you have
Speaker 4: to deal with your core players, but you had like,
Speaker 4: you know, James Vanderbeek is here, Austin's here, you have
Speaker 4: all of these doppelgangers here. It was the episode of Doppelgang.
Speaker 4: It was.
Speaker 1: Fun. It was really fun. Well let's get into it
Speaker 1: because I loved this. I love these storylines. The fake
Speaker 1: Brook was I just I just could not stop smiling
Speaker 1: every time the two of you were on screen together.
Speaker 2: It was so fun. It was so so fun because
Speaker 2: being able to make choices, you know, with another actor
Speaker 2: who was like essentially we talked about it and the
Speaker 2: idea was anything I did, She'd do, and so we
Speaker 2: really leaned into it. And like the literal mirror image
Speaker 2: of physicality, screaming, hugging, yelling. It's such good comedy, and
Speaker 2: I think you make a really good point.
Speaker 3: Hill.
Speaker 2: Part of the reason it works so well in the
Speaker 2: structure of this episode is because this whole episode is
Speaker 2: a rom com. Even the even the serious stuff, you know,
Speaker 2: joy your storyline with Ashley, the Hayle, Sam and the
Speaker 2: school dynamic, it still essentially works in a rom com structure.
Speaker 2: It's somebody saying, hey, you're really great and I'm here
Speaker 2: to support you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, wholesome and uplifting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a platonic energy obviously with a student
Speaker 2: and a teacher, but it's it's still very sweet and
Speaker 2: kind and loving. And so instead of having you know,
Speaker 2: one person getting accosted by a stalker and another person
Speaker 2: trying on baby clothes, it's like the cohesion in the
Speaker 2: episode really works, and I don't know, I think it
Speaker 2: allows for some of that comedy to play even bigger,
Speaker 2: which you know, Carissa and I got to do together.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, this was a whole episode about casting. How
Speaker 4: much did you play a part in the casting, because
Speaker 4: that's what I want to know before we talk about
Speaker 4: like the actual stories.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think I I remember playing a pretty big part
Speaker 1: in casting. I mean I was there for all. I
Speaker 1: saw the tapes I saw. Was I in the room
Speaker 1: for any of them?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I was in the room, I can't remember, but
Speaker 1: I did see a lot of tapes and definitely hand
Speaker 1: picked Alexandra who played eventually played Peyton. Huh, Carissa, I
Speaker 1: feel like maybe had already I had been picked by
Speaker 1: producers or something. There was I feel I feel like that.
Speaker 1: Alison Munn was played Miss Lauren. That was her first
Speaker 1: episode with us, and Alison and I had done a
Speaker 1: play together in la We did The Outsiders the musical
Speaker 1: and she was Cherry Vallance and I was Sandy, girlfriend
Speaker 1: of Soda Pop or somebody, so that was really fun
Speaker 1: to bring her in. I think all the boy everybody else,
Speaker 1: I think I just kind of watched tapes.
Speaker 4: I felt really protected in the meta casting of this
Speaker 4: episode because there's that whole conversation. Yeah, there's this whole
Speaker 4: conversation of like, dew we cast the do we cast
Speaker 4: the boobs? Do we cast? You know, like what are
Speaker 4: we casting for? And So the girl that ultimately became
Speaker 4: Peyton in the table read, I loved her, like I
Speaker 4: just loved like watching how innocent she was and how
Speaker 4: I don't know, there was like a really protective nature
Speaker 4: to that.
Speaker 1: She felt so much like Peyton season one to me
Speaker 1: that there was an innocence, there was a softness that
Speaker 1: could easily have a hard exterior, but she was It's
Speaker 1: that same sort of like Michelle Williams quality, Like there's
Speaker 1: a sensitivity there that is so deep, like the well
Speaker 1: is so deep. Really good actress. I don't know what
Speaker 1: she's been doing since then, but she's good.
Speaker 4: And then Nathan character too, like he was, oh, he
Speaker 4: was so little, like he was just a kid.
Speaker 2: They seem so young.
Speaker 4: Yeah, how weird to cast within a casting storyline.
Speaker 1: It was weird, super weird, But I think it was
Speaker 1: fun to be able to do that from my end
Speaker 1: because I know, you guys so well, Like I kind
Speaker 1: of wouldn't have wanted anybody else to come in and
Speaker 1: make those choices. I would have wanted only one of
Speaker 1: us to be able to do that because we all
Speaker 1: knew each other. Somebody else coming in would I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have trusted their judgment.
Speaker 4: You're ultimately Lucas in the episode.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, because I'm making all these decisions.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 2: Part of the metanists that I really appreciate is, you know,
Speaker 2: Mike Harrow and David Strauss wrote this episode, and Mike
Speaker 2: Harrow was one of the guys who really grew up
Speaker 2: with us like on the show. You know, he I
Speaker 2: don't remember if he was a writer's assistant or just
Speaker 2: like you know, one of the junior writers when the
Speaker 2: show started, but Mike was one of the people who,
Speaker 2: especially in later seasons, I know, really had our backs.
Speaker 2: Were things that he shared to protect us and to
Speaker 2: like illuminate certain things. You know, he he shared a
Speaker 2: lot of things with me in later years, you know, Hill,
Speaker 2: even after you left it, I hadn't known that, Like
Speaker 2: I really cherish him for because that was a risk
Speaker 2: for him. And there's things happening in this episode where
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, wow, you were really brave because he
Speaker 2: wrote James Vanderbeek to say some exact things that our
Speaker 2: boss had said to us. They were gross. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: you get to see how gross it is and you
Speaker 2: get to see that he's taking shots at this guy,
Speaker 2: being like, this is how you treat people, and this
Speaker 2: is how you talk to women, and this is how
Speaker 2: you're trying to cast your show.
Speaker 4: And uh, it's so ballsy, man, it's so ballsy to
Speaker 4: hold the mirror up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he really did it, and I was like, whoa.
Speaker 2: You know even that a lot of it got through,
Speaker 2: and you know, maybe some of that is when you
Speaker 2: think you're all powerful, you know, your ego makes you
Speaker 2: think no criticisms will ever get through. But it kind
Speaker 2: of took my breath away and I thought he did
Speaker 2: it so smartly in that he jumbled up who the
Speaker 2: boss said what to but some of those things really
Speaker 2: came out of our boss's mouth and I went ooh,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, yeah, you just get to
Speaker 2: see how totally inappropriate and disgusting it is and there's
Speaker 2: no there's no defense for it. It's really nice to
Speaker 2: watch the scenes play out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he's so grow like, oh, so great, because
Speaker 1: Vanderbeek is great. He does it really well.
Speaker 2: But what I love about Vanderbeek is he really commits
Speaker 2: as an actor and he's like, oh you want me
Speaker 2: to be slammy watch this and you're like, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He doesn't judge his characters, and it was very important
Speaker 2: that that character was portrayed. Honestly, I was.
Speaker 4: Impressed well and that he's not He's not far fetched.
Speaker 4: Like that is literally how we were being spoken about.
Speaker 4: It's how day players on our show were spoken about
Speaker 4: in front of me and spoken to.
Speaker 1: And there was no mustache twisting. He wasn't being a villain.
Speaker 1: He was being like a normal quote unquote, nice, likable
Speaker 1: guy who just happens to say some gross things, you know,
Speaker 1: on the offset and then it just the closer you get,
Speaker 1: the ickier it.
Speaker 2: Gets, cause it's funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he didn't seem like he wasn't trying to
Speaker 1: be dastardly he or you know, awful. He was just
Speaker 1: being he was being real.
Speaker 2: Oh, which is so wool, but it's so I got
Speaker 2: to say, like, there's something you know, all of us
Speaker 2: having been through it, there's something I really appreciate about
Speaker 2: watching it, and how we didn't pull back from it,
Speaker 2: and how it was Vanderbeek essentially portraying our boss, who
Speaker 2: was being written by one of the writers who'd been
Speaker 2: with us the whole time, who'd heard all the stories,
Speaker 2: who told us a lot of a lot of what
Speaker 2: was happening in the writer's room in la and that
Speaker 2: you were directing it, and by the way, directing it
Speaker 2: with our crew who'd been there for so long. You
Speaker 2: know that all these people have relationships with Like our
Speaker 2: camera crew came from Dawson's. So even if you think
Speaker 2: about it that way, our DP, we know, was able
Speaker 2: to say to Vanderbeek, like, yeah, this is what these
Speaker 2: girls are going through, and it just I don't know,
Speaker 2: like the four of you somehow making this stuff get
Speaker 2: from the page to the screen.
Speaker 4: It's like Captain Plantage, Yeah, it's like I.
Speaker 2: Feel like we got away with something in a way
Speaker 2: to be like, you want to know what it was like,
Speaker 2: It was like this but worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the irony of our boss creating this whole storyline
Speaker 1: and then having it get used exactly against him in
Speaker 1: the way you like, that's pretty great. I mean, you
Speaker 1: can't write this stuff even though you can't apparently like.
Speaker 2: There's so much about it that wasn't great, but this
Speaker 2: is great. Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well it made it so easy to side I Beak,
Speaker 4: Like each one of us had a moment with him
Speaker 4: where it was like, uh, wait, don't want this, like
Speaker 4: whenever you are pass, yeah, which hard pass feels redemptive.
Speaker 4: The one thing though, in the Beak storyline, you know
Speaker 4: now that you're bringing up Mike crafting this thing and
Speaker 4: really touching on some of the stuff that was actually
Speaker 4: going on. The thing that I found most triggering in
Speaker 4: this episode was Julian and his complacency with the way
Speaker 4: the work was being depicted. Because I don't necessarily mind
Speaker 4: a bad guy. My biggest trigger in life is a coward.
Speaker 4: Like cowards infuriate me in a way that's probably not normal.
Speaker 4: And the cowardice of Julian to let that breakdown go
Speaker 4: out and then try to like spin it later irritated
Speaker 4: the out of me. I couldn't deal with all the
Speaker 4: other men in the room going along with that personification
Speaker 4: of Brook. It really biked me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the thing is, by the way, I fully agree,
Speaker 2: and it is one of those moments where I can
Speaker 2: see why It's necessary because it is the device. It is,
Speaker 2: it is what makes as Brooke and Missy are spending
Speaker 2: time together, what makes them like in the way they
Speaker 2: meet perfectly, then they start having these near misses. You
Speaker 2: need the confusion. I liked getting to stand up for
Speaker 2: myself because it also felt very meta to me in
Speaker 2: that you know, I have felt that way and we've
Speaker 2: talked about it on the show, Like it was really
Speaker 2: hard for me coming onto the show and then receiving
Speaker 2: treatment in public and being like, oh, people think I'm
Speaker 2: this promiscuous part like Brooke Davis, which, by the way,
Speaker 2: have sex with as few or as many people as
Speaker 2: you want. I don't actually care about that. What I
Speaker 2: care about is the way we treat women differently if
Speaker 2: we believe they are sexual. And it was really scary
Speaker 2: for me, like growing up in a mostly all girls'
Speaker 2: school environment, I did three years of a co ed college,
Speaker 2: and then I came on this show and I was like,
Speaker 2: what is happening? Well, like why why are people talking
Speaker 2: to me this way in public? Why do people touch
Speaker 2: me in public? And I watch them not touch other people,
Speaker 2: Like it was very hard for me, and so what
Speaker 2: I loved in this episode was getting to say things
Speaker 2: that I had said then and that I say sometimes now,
Speaker 2: where I'm like, of all the cool shit I have
Speaker 2: done as a woman, you want to talk about who
Speaker 2: I dated or what dips cheated on me, or who
Speaker 2: I figured out wasn't who I thought they were, Like
Speaker 2: that has to do with other people's bad behavior, Like
Speaker 2: I've done this cool thing, I've been this advocate, I've
Speaker 2: built this company or nonprofit or whatever.
Speaker 4: Why Why don't the things women do matter more productive?
Speaker 2: Yeah, than the way other people treat us or want
Speaker 2: to sleep with us? And so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: In the way that I loved it, Beek personified our
Speaker 2: boss being gross. I loved that I got to sort
Speaker 2: of vent about my own experience and experiences by the
Speaker 2: way that I know you've both had where it's like you,
Speaker 2: that's that's the thing you want to ask me about
Speaker 2: in my whole day life. And so, I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's a I hated obviously that Julian was a coward
Speaker 2: because I'm like you, and cowardice triggers the out of me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because we always had to stand up for ourselves, and
Speaker 2: I get annoyed when people with more power don't. But
Speaker 2: I did like it as a writing device. Because I
Speaker 2: liked it, I got my moment to be like, how
Speaker 2: dare you? And then I got to say yeah, and
Speaker 2: I got to say it to Missy and I got
Speaker 2: to say it to Julian and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm pork. Davis is a badass. Women are bad asses.
Speaker 2: Leave me alone, and I sort of I loved the payoff,
Speaker 2: even if I hated him having to be a little
Speaker 2: bitch to get me. Well, no, one not.
Speaker 4: Everyone's born with a backbone, right like some people. Some
Speaker 4: people's story is that they grow one. And so if
Speaker 4: Julian is growing a backbone, neat. I love that he
Speaker 4: fedexes your bone.
Speaker 2: FedEx super cool. Guys.
Speaker 4: Have we ever been in a situation where we had
Speaker 4: the FedEx our yearbook to the location we were at? Oh?
Speaker 4: He really wanted to make that point. He's like, I
Speaker 4: showed you to see the butt cut that I had
Speaker 4: in nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: The butt cut. What a term.
Speaker 1: And Brooke gets to go home after all of it
Speaker 1: and the relationship she has with Sam. It's like, I
Speaker 1: love that in spite of all of the stuff that's
Speaker 1: being thrown at her, she just gets to go home
Speaker 1: and continue to do what really makes her, investing in
Speaker 1: the people that she cares about, building up this young woman.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's what we do. Just go ahead, keep
Speaker 1: throwing it at me. I'm I'm gonna just keep being me.
Speaker 1: And Brooke does that non stop in this episode. I
Speaker 1: just see her. It's so fun to watch her or
Speaker 1: you whatever, like dealing with all of this stuff coming
Speaker 1: at Brook and then just being like, but you know what,
Speaker 1: this is what really matters, and then that's what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna focus on. That's what makes her so great and lovable.
Speaker 4: Well, all the girls had that storyline this episode. It
Speaker 4: was like, hey Hayley, you're gonna lose your job. Hey Peyton,
Speaker 4: you're on your own kid. Hey Brooke, you're a whore forever,
Speaker 4: you know. Like yeah, everybody had these things and the
Speaker 4: women just had to be fine. And then Lucas got
Speaker 4: to have a temper tantrum.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah right. I did fill out with Peyton though.
Speaker 1: I was just watching you at the fireplace. I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel that, like how many times I would be
Speaker 1: a millionaire if I had a quarter for every time
Speaker 1: I had to suck it up? Swallow it down. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm good. Everything's great, great.
Speaker 2: Call me later, Yeah, I'll be here. You broke my heart.
Speaker 1: Everything.
Speaker 4: Oh, the hormones are real, though I don't know how
Speaker 4: much I realized that when we filmed this. You know,
Speaker 4: you say words that are on the paper and you're like, eh,
Speaker 4: I don't and then you know, a year later, I
Speaker 4: was pregnant for real. I guess yeah, if this aired
Speaker 4: February second of two thousand and nine, I had gus
Speaker 4: March of twenty ten. Yeah, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: all that hormone. This was like a premon mission. This
Speaker 4: was practice. The hormone stuff is super real, and even
Speaker 4: now in our early forties, girls, I'm gonna cry on
Speaker 4: a dime. I walk around, Yeah, I walk around like
Speaker 4: forty percent ready to cry at all times. And it's
Speaker 4: just a matter of what the trigger's gonna be. And
Speaker 4: that crib I could feel, I could feel the venom
Speaker 4: in my body with the crib, with the foreign language instructions,
Speaker 4: because I feel like we've all lived that. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: thanks for the gift.
Speaker 2: Well, and there was no one of the things that
Speaker 2: really struck me watching you do that. I was like,
Speaker 2: we had none of the stuff then that helps you. Now,
Speaker 2: there was no like Google app on your iPhone that
Speaker 2: can translate any menu into English. No, there was no
Speaker 2: task rabbit. Turns out skills is the task rabbit. He's like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, I baby proof, I'm.
Speaker 1: A handy hand.
Speaker 2: That was so funny. He was so funny in that
Speaker 2: scene with you.
Speaker 4: But that's also who he is in real life.
Speaker 2: It is exactly how Antonina is. But I wrote it down.
Speaker 2: I was like, she has no task rabbit, she has
Speaker 2: no translate, she has nothing, she has nothing to help her.
Speaker 2: She's just stuck mea who maybe is Italian Catalano. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so silly. I just remember.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I that crib. I hated that
Speaker 1: crib so much. Yeah, it was in the way or something,
Speaker 1: and maybe it just took them too long to set up.
Speaker 1: I don't know why. It was, Like, really it was
Speaker 1: annoy I remember, and I noticed it in the episode
Speaker 1: because you not that you're gonna go back, because who
Speaker 1: has time. But like, if you notice, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of shots that are just kind of instead of directly
Speaker 1: over each other's shoulders, It's like we did a two
Speaker 1: shot and then we sort of just did the like
Speaker 1: cross I don't know how to explain it. Yeah, cross
Speaker 1: coverage that was like slightly wider, but just like, how
Speaker 1: do we get out of this faster? Because this is
Speaker 1: this crib is really irritating.
Speaker 4: Well for it to fall apart all four sides like
Speaker 4: that a setup. You know, you're putting together an erector
Speaker 4: set with just enough parts not connected to fall apart
Speaker 4: on cue. That was a nightmare. Yeah, handled handled though
Speaker 4: the comedy.
Speaker 2: Well that's it for our friends at home. Sometimes the
Speaker 2: thing that looks the easiest is literally the hardest chain
Speaker 2: in the ass on the day, like to make that
Speaker 2: thing stick together but then also fall down, like the
Speaker 2: the one side at a time. It's just a night
Speaker 2: They had a fishing wire.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be great, and a fishing wire
Speaker 1: it's just terrible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's that's just the stuff that nobody, you know,
Speaker 2: who's not on set would know. But oh man, it's
Speaker 2: like if you've ever had a friend come visit on
Speaker 2: a day where you have to do a little gag
Speaker 2: like that, that's when the people are like, this is
Speaker 2: what you guys do all day? This is really boring.
Speaker 2: You're like saying, thank you it's great.
Speaker 4: Yeah, believe in the power of the edit.
Speaker 2: The edit will make it funny. Loved it.
Speaker 4: Speaking of funny, Dan and Jamie like their whole the
Speaker 4: beginning though, Like I loved the blocking of the beginning
Speaker 4: where Jamie's walking on that wall, so then he and
Speaker 4: Dan are goals like I and them talk. You could
Speaker 4: just feel how much fun Paul was having.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I could do. He really was having a good time.
Speaker 1: It seemed almost out of character for it was so
Speaker 1: much Paul and so little Dan. But well, you know,
Speaker 1: he likes to mess with the audience that way too,
Speaker 1: so who knows.
Speaker 2: I also think, though, in a way what I like
Speaker 2: and I have seen this, you know, with people I love, certainly,
Speaker 2: especially now that you know so many of our friends
Speaker 2: are parents, people who didn't have great relationships with some
Speaker 2: of their parents. Their parents are getting a second shot
Speaker 2: with the grandkids. They're getting to be the parents they
Speaker 2: never got to be, and it's it's like kind of
Speaker 2: profound And I feel like that's almost what we're seeing
Speaker 2: with Dan, and it probably is because Paul just had
Speaker 2: so much fun with Jackson and they're so charming together,
Speaker 2: and you can tell how much fun Jackson has with Paul.
Speaker 2: But you know you were traveling last week, Joy, But
Speaker 2: I was saying to Hill and Kate, I was like,
Speaker 2: I hate that I love Dan Scott in this episode,
Speaker 2: and I'm having the same experience in this one. I
Speaker 2: just love him and I know better, but my god,
Speaker 2: I love him. And maybe it's because I really, you know,
Speaker 2: really love Paul, but it is so freaking sweet to
Speaker 2: see them like this, and I don't know, I just
Speaker 2: I want more of it. I want so much more
Speaker 2: of this Dan and Jamie dynamic.
Speaker 4: Well, let's be for real, like if we're Miss Lauren,
Speaker 4: we're kissing Grandpa Dan all yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like
Speaker 4: showing up at that dude's beach house and he's so
Speaker 4: charming and he's just his hair has never looked better.
Speaker 4: He's so good with the child.
Speaker 1: He reads The Time Traveler's Wife. On what planet? Does
Speaker 1: Dan Scott read the Time Traveler's Wife?
Speaker 4: Of course he does.
Speaker 2: Listen.
Speaker 4: That prison library is small, Joy.
Speaker 2: He's gonna read whatever is there.
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 4: I loved it.
Speaker 2: And Shamie back he was in prison.
Speaker 4: She's just like, oh, okay, that's great to know.
Speaker 1: Cool to do with that?
Speaker 4: Oh, I loved it because you could tell she's like
Speaker 4: vibeing a little bit with him, And there is no
Speaker 4: greater buzzkill then that he was in prison.
Speaker 2: Bob, No, that kind of wrecks it.
Speaker 1: I still think it's weird that after the kidnapping, Dan
Speaker 1: brings Jamie back. There's the whole hallabaloo about that, and
Speaker 1: now it's just it's a free for all. He just
Speaker 1: picks up Jamie enter school, he's the babysitter. It's like
Speaker 1: it's all good now. Everything from the past just wiped slate,
Speaker 1: wiped clean because he you know, he showed up saved
Speaker 1: zero for an afternoon, which is amazing, But like, what's
Speaker 1: going on, dude, I don't know. It seems strange to me.
Speaker 4: If if I didn't do the show that I do
Speaker 4: for Sundance, where I literally just cover small town cases
Speaker 4: of murder, I wouldn't believe the storyline. But you would
Speaker 4: be amazed what people just turn their heads off to.
Speaker 4: They're like, I don't want to think about that. He's fine,
Speaker 4: I need a babysitter, he's available. Wow. You know, like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you can super compartmentalize.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can talk yourself into anything.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he didn't mean it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when I really try to think about it too,
Speaker 2: you know, Dan got kidnapped by her, he got tortured,
Speaker 2: he missed a heart. If we really get granular on
Speaker 2: not even touching on the Dan and Keith of it all.
Speaker 2: But I wonder how much of that too, where you
Speaker 2: go like, this man, whatever I may think of him,
Speaker 2: shares trauma with my grandson, with this crazy person, he's
Speaker 2: the only person who understands let's let them spend time together.
Speaker 2: To your point, I think you can kind of rationalize
Speaker 2: or compartmentalize any thing. And maybe that's part of why
Speaker 2: it feels so weird for us to be watching these
Speaker 2: episodes and loving Dan because we're like, I'm supposed to
Speaker 2: not like him. But the human mind and heart operate
Speaker 2: very differently from like black and white lists on a
Speaker 2: piece of paper.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you only start the clock at like Jamie's
Speaker 4: awareness of Dan, like when they actually meet, Dan's a
Speaker 4: victim and that's all Jamie knows him, as it's like
Speaker 4: a fellow victim kid doesn't know, doesn't know all. You know,
Speaker 4: the backstory wasn't there for it. But Haley and Nathan
Speaker 4: news where's deb Like Where did Deb go?
Speaker 2: Where is she?
Speaker 1: I really don't know. It's been It's pretty strange.
Speaker 4: They had a good thing going with her babysitting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. There's too many other storylines. I
Speaker 1: guess maybe they tried to get her for this episode
Speaker 1: and she was not available.
Speaker 2: Something.
Speaker 4: Vanderbeek telling me that I'm too old to play Peyton,
Speaker 4: that I'd make a great deb feels like right now
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four, very full circle. Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: I guess.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess that is what we'd be doing now.
Speaker 2: We would be the mom's no.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll be Deb. I like how messy she can
Speaker 4: be great too? Man, was it this cohesive on the paper?
Speaker 1: No, I think we added in a lot, like there
Speaker 1: was a lot of transitions that were disjointed and things
Speaker 1: that felt like I remember working a lot on the
Speaker 1: transitions in particular, and just trying to make sure that
Speaker 1: everything flowed and figuring out thematically, like where the ties
Speaker 1: were and how to just keep it moving. I think
Speaker 1: that at that point that was probably my biggest complaint
Speaker 1: about the sh If I would watch it, it's like
Speaker 1: we just had we had too many episodes that felt
Speaker 1: stagnant or like destoyed to disconnect it as we've been
Speaker 1: talking about, And there were plenty that were really good too,
Speaker 1: and that moved. But yeah, this is just the whole
Speaker 1: thing felt like it should be fun and there was
Speaker 1: no need to stop and be super serious with anything
Speaker 1: other than a couple of key moments. Everything else was
Speaker 1: just let's just keep it moving, let's keep everybody having fun.
Speaker 2: And then the moments really played up, like when the
Speaker 2: camera would stop when you go into the new principal's office,
Speaker 2: you know, and you can't decide if you're gonna sit
Speaker 2: or stand or sit or stand. There's motion, and then
Speaker 2: when she says the thing, everything stops and it the
Speaker 2: choices that you and the DP made together in those
Speaker 2: ways help the energy of like wait what did she say?
Speaker 2: Like that reveal that thing that feels so bad literally
Speaker 2: causes a stop motion and it increases for as an
Speaker 2: audience member, the shock of what's happening? Do you remember
Speaker 2: because obviously we weren't in that, We weren't in that scene.
Speaker 2: Where does this new principle come from? Why is this
Speaker 2: going to be like a big storyline? For Haley, I
Speaker 2: was like wait, wait, wait, who is this woman I like,
Speaker 2: I just didn't remember.
Speaker 1: She does come back. She, by the way, was from Seinfeld.
Speaker 1: She was Malva, the best, the best.
Speaker 4: Did you cast her?
Speaker 1: I don't remember.
Speaker 4: She's scary man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, she's serious. I think she does come back.
Speaker 1: It becomes a bigger a little bit of a bigger storyline.
Speaker 1: She was lovely, really lovely person. Yeah. I don't remember
Speaker 1: much about that, but it was those are what you
Speaker 1: were saying. Those are fun, fun things to learn how
Speaker 1: to do and just create create story with camera, you know,
Speaker 1: pulling away and leave people alone or long lenses and
Speaker 1: how that creates a feeling of part of being a
Speaker 1: part of a community. And it's just it was was
Speaker 1: really it was really cool to learn a lot a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff. I don't know how you so,
Speaker 1: how soon after this did you direct?
Speaker 2: I directed in the following season in season seven?
Speaker 1: Okay, did you feel like had you did you do
Speaker 1: anything before you directed to sort of prep for that
Speaker 1: in terms of learning or was it on the fly?
Speaker 1: I was learning a lot of this on the fly, like, oh,
Speaker 1: if we if we pull out, she feels really alone,
Speaker 1: let's do that, you know, me just kind of pick
Speaker 1: it up along the way.
Speaker 2: I agree. I mean, I think if anything, the stuff
Speaker 2: that I really felt like I intentionally wanted to observe
Speaker 2: was you know, pacing, how how you would keep a
Speaker 2: set organized and keep to a schedule, because you know,
Speaker 2: we were shooting time. You know, it's a lot shocker,
Speaker 2: And for me, it was about like, you know, blocking efficiency,
Speaker 2: like really watching the things that directors we felt close
Speaker 2: enough to pester with questions we're doing. And then yeah,
Speaker 2: the more technical stuff. Even now, even after all those
Speaker 2: episodes we did and all the things like me being
Speaker 2: a little dyslexic, it's like very hard for me to
Speaker 2: remember which lenses which, like I always have to ask
Speaker 2: a like a confirming question. But yeah, beginning to figure
Speaker 2: out what technical things you could do to increase a
Speaker 2: feeling you know, of closeness or distance, or how you
Speaker 2: could block something to make someone appear very alone in
Speaker 2: a crowd, you know that stuff. I feel like, on
Speaker 2: the one hand, we were learning in real time because
Speaker 2: we just did it every day, and then on the
Speaker 2: other hand, like there were things you'd learn on the
Speaker 2: day because thank god, we had a cru that had
Speaker 2: been with us for so many years. Yes, and such
Speaker 2: good camera department that could be like, hey, here's a
Speaker 2: quick tip, like I learned this thing in film school,
Speaker 2: and you'd be like, oh, okay, great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fantastic. I remember that with the d with the
Speaker 1: Jamie and Dan stuff we had. There was a shot
Speaker 1: of him walking down the stairs and I was like,
Speaker 1: just now watching it, I went, why are we in
Speaker 1: a crane?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why the world would we using a crane for this?
Speaker 1: That seems so unnecessary? And then I remember that they
Speaker 1: had there was some kind of thing where they like
Speaker 1: had this crane. They had to use it because they
Speaker 1: had I don't know if it had to be sent back.
Speaker 1: I didn't have to be sent back. I don't know
Speaker 1: what was going on. There was something that they were like, no,
Speaker 1: you have the crane and you should you know, you
Speaker 1: need to use it. And I remember being like, can
Speaker 1: we use it a trick? And they're like, well, you're inside,
Speaker 1: it's a whole thing to get it upstairs, Like is
Speaker 1: there any outdoor location we could just use the crane?
Speaker 1: I was like all right, fine, great, So getting to
Speaker 1: learn from the crew, how do you you know those
Speaker 1: kinds of things on the fly where the day before
Speaker 1: they're like, let's use a green Okay, great, figuring out
Speaker 1: a crane make it interesting. But you know, anyway, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, I really liked watching Peyton. I know
Speaker 1: we talked about the crib, but that was from a
Speaker 1: different perspective. But I liked watching Peyton struggle through with
Speaker 1: this whole doing things on her own without Lucas around,
Speaker 1: because she's she's so capable, and that's you know, she's
Speaker 1: kind of used to being a loner, and it was
Speaker 1: really sweet to see her in a space where she
Speaker 1: is so used to being alone and handling things on
Speaker 1: her own and she really doesn't want to be now
Speaker 1: and like to struggle from that place. I feel like
Speaker 1: we've all been there, you know, when you're single for
Speaker 1: a long time and you're used to just getting done,
Speaker 1: and then you fall in love and you start to
Speaker 1: rely on the other person and then they're suddenly not around,
Speaker 1: and then you have to go back to being the
Speaker 1: way that you were, but you don't want to because
Speaker 1: you're soft now open. It was really sweet.
Speaker 2: The shell is off.
Speaker 1: I know, how did you feel about that? All that
Speaker 1: stuff that you guys were Once you guys were together,
Speaker 1: it was all super lovey, DeBie.
Speaker 4: But we were a part a lot. Like I talked
Speaker 4: before about the isolation of Peyton in this whole season,
Speaker 4: and this episode was a nice departure because she goes
Speaker 4: to Tricks, She's with me, she's with Brooks, she's with Haley.
Speaker 4: Like Peyton's getting a little like pop ins from skills,
Speaker 4: you know, Like I got to maybe that's why I
Speaker 4: like this episode so much, because.
Speaker 1: She wasn't so.
Speaker 4: It wasn't all by myself, you guys. Yeah, it is
Speaker 4: really hard for me to work on stuff around my
Speaker 4: house with someone because I'm just conditioned to do stuff
Speaker 4: by myself. And every year I go through the same
Speaker 4: process of where I get really comfortable with my husband
Speaker 4: being home and like helping me pick the kids up
Speaker 4: and helping me with the groceries and like doing all
Speaker 4: of that, and he leaves tomorrow to go start filming
Speaker 4: his show, and I feel Peyton's anxiety in this where
Speaker 4: it's like no, but I finally let someone in it,
Speaker 4: Like I'm I'm just codependent enough to feel comfortable and
Speaker 4: you're not here. Yeah, I just want to dash of
Speaker 4: codependency because it's fleeting. They always have to go somewhere. Fine,
Speaker 4: but when Lucas shows up at the ultrasound that undid me,
Speaker 4: like hot a nice still cry about that? Yeah, that
Speaker 4: that stuff, especially if you've ever suffered pregnancy loss, is
Speaker 4: it's hard to explain the terror of going to those
Speaker 4: part appointments because there's no guarantee that they're gonna go right,
Speaker 4: and you are with a stranger who you know. You
Speaker 4: feel like a guinea pig and it's much easier to
Speaker 4: face tragedy when you have your person with you, but
Speaker 4: there's there's no else, and worse than when the tech
Speaker 4: is like can you just go sit back in the
Speaker 4: waiting room, I'll have someone come talk to you in
Speaker 4: a minute, you know, like it's it's really bad. And
Speaker 4: so I completely Peyton's terror. And what's weird to me
Speaker 4: is that we had to depict this stuff before it
Speaker 4: happened to us in real life, like none of us
Speaker 4: had had kids, yeah, you know, like we were guessing
Speaker 4: uh and so yes, So much of this episode is meta,
Speaker 4: but it feels meta for me personally because I lived
Speaker 4: it not long after, and I don't know that gets
Speaker 4: in your head. That's when you start to wonder, like
Speaker 4: if you conjure shit, like what is happening? But Lucas
Speaker 4: showing up made me love Lucas and Peyton so much.
Speaker 4: People pick on us for being cheeseballs. Once we're together,
Speaker 4: I don't give a shit. I don't care what you think.
Speaker 4: We are in love. He showed up. He was like
Speaker 4: you told me last week, like what you had that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that's Lucas Scott, That's who he is. He's
Speaker 1: you kidding me. No matter what's going on, no matter
Speaker 1: how crazy the day is, no matter how much his
Speaker 1: world is exploding or getting weight on his shoulder, putting
Speaker 1: weight on his shoulders, He's going to show up for Bayton.
Speaker 1: That's why.
Speaker 4: Well it was so romantic and it didn't cost a thing.
Speaker 4: He just showed up. And remember, well don't cost I mean.
Speaker 2: But it speaks to that that really important and sometimes
Speaker 2: I think hard to define, but you know when you
Speaker 2: see it experience of really being seen, when you feel seen,
Speaker 2: when you feel valued, like you can design a whole life,
Speaker 2: and if you don't feel seen, it will feel empty.
Speaker 2: And I think that's why those moments feel so special.
Speaker 2: That moment that I told you made me cry last
Speaker 2: week for you guys, you know when when you I
Speaker 2: was telling Hillary Joy when you were traveling that she
Speaker 2: and Chad had this scene last week about Keith's ring,
Speaker 2: and like, what struck me as as a viewer was, Oh,
Speaker 2: Peyton is literally choosing her dream come true. She's saying,
Speaker 2: I want the thing I've always wanted. It was so like, Oh,
Speaker 2: it just like squeezed my heart in the best way.
Speaker 2: And this felt like a continuation of that, which is
Speaker 2: especially I think, nice to see for Peyton and everything
Speaker 2: she's been through you In that scene, he walks in
Speaker 2: the door and it's like, Oh, she is seen and
Speaker 2: heard and loved, and that's everything.
Speaker 4: Safe Peyton is a totally different animal. Safe Peyton is cheesy,
Speaker 4: She's making bad mom jokes.
Speaker 2: All the time, like magic.
Speaker 1: But what a beautiful arc to go from where she
Speaker 1: came from to be here now Save.
Speaker 4: Peyton, because trauma can make some people real, right, And
Speaker 4: I like that our girls have all been through different
Speaker 4: kinds of trauma and are trying to be the best version,
Speaker 4: not the you know, not the gross version.
Speaker 2: I liked that.
Speaker 4: When you were talking about camera lenses and like different
Speaker 4: techniques to make things feel a certain way. I liked
Speaker 4: that you had me take my jacket off at that
Speaker 4: scene by the fire, because there's something really vulnerable about
Speaker 4: like your full arms showing like Peyton had been in
Speaker 4: this Blazer the whole episode, which feels like I'm holding
Speaker 4: it together. I'm holding it together, I'm structured, I'm a
Speaker 4: business lady, I'm.
Speaker 2: A boss, I'm fine, grown up.
Speaker 4: And then taking off that layer. Is this really subliminal
Speaker 4: because I'm like rubbing my arm in the scene, and
Speaker 4: I remember when we watched it thinking just like, oh,
Speaker 4: what like a weird self soothing mechanism and there was
Speaker 4: just like a vulnerability to it. And those are those
Speaker 4: little things that a great director can figure out, Like
Speaker 4: we can say the word words, but we can add
Speaker 4: this layer and it will feel even sadder.
Speaker 1: Or remove a layer that might have been your choice
Speaker 1: though too, you know you you. I mean that's also
Speaker 1: one of the things we get to do as actors
Speaker 1: is come up with these things that will feel will
Speaker 1: help us tell the story. So I don't remember if
Speaker 1: that was me or you, but either way, I liked
Speaker 1: the choice.
Speaker 4: How did you jump from directing to doing all your though?
Speaker 4: Because your stuff was really serious this episode. I mean,
Speaker 4: Haley is not only dealing with this thing of work,
Speaker 4: but she's also counseling Lucas, and she's counseling Peyton and
Speaker 4: dealing with you know, Nathan's got big stuff. You know,
Speaker 4: like it was. It's not like they gave you an
Speaker 4: episode off.
Speaker 1: No, they certainly didn't. I don't know that I felt
Speaker 1: like it was all that serious. I think the material
Speaker 1: felt manageable for me. It felt like a natural place
Speaker 1: to go to. The conversations were pretty easy. The dialogue
Speaker 1: wasn't too complicated, so there was a second nature to
Speaker 1: a lot of that that didn't throw me off too much.
Speaker 1: I just really did not enjoy, uh, trying to be
Speaker 1: in a scene with someone and also trying to be
Speaker 1: out of my body and imagining what the scene looks like.
Speaker 1: As an actor, I I don't like it. I want
Speaker 1: to be fully present, So I didn't enjoy that. I
Speaker 1: would prefer not to do that again.
Speaker 4: Did you have someone like helping you?
Speaker 1: Greg might have? Rick was r A D two. He
Speaker 1: was super hopeful. Remember seeing Chad in this episode. Chad
Speaker 1: the bar one.
Speaker 4: Chad Graves was our other first assistant director for you
Speaker 4: Guys at Home. There were there was like our stand in.
Speaker 4: Steven played one of the Nathans else was a little
Speaker 4: a little treat in here now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Steven and Chad Graves were super exciting to see
Speaker 2: and and when when the girls, you know, when we're
Speaker 2: talking about these guys, Chad Graves and Rick Clark for
Speaker 2: our friends at home. The first ads on our shows
Speaker 2: are really like the steadiness on set. Every episode you've
Speaker 2: got a different director. Sometimes a director will do two
Speaker 2: or three episodes in a season, but the first ads,
Speaker 2: one of them takes all the odd episodes like one, three, five,
Speaker 2: and then one of them takes all the even episodes,
Speaker 2: you know, two, four, six, et cetera. And so every
Speaker 2: other week you flip flop between these two people. And
Speaker 2: so to get to put Chad Graves in was so
Speaker 2: cool and really random, just continuation of how our little
Speaker 2: Wilmington family has stayed so tight. I got to spend
Speaker 2: a couple more years working with Rick Clark because he
Speaker 2: came in to be one of the first AD's on
Speaker 2: Chicago Met so on all my crossover episodes, I was
Speaker 2: working with Rick, and so it's like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's so special for us, those really long relationships, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it feels like it feels so cool and you get
Speaker 2: to throw your friends on screen, and then you know
Speaker 2: the people who no, no, it's like a it's like
Speaker 2: a fun little inside joke.
Speaker 4: Well I like it because those cocky anpholes are always
Speaker 4: like actors actors, and then when you're shining the light
Speaker 4: on them and you're like, okay, hit your mark go,
Speaker 4: all of a sudden.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, yeah, no, I'm cool.
Speaker 4: I'm cool. Yeah, I'm a little flustered.
Speaker 2: Let's spin a wheel.
Speaker 4: I want to spin that wheel. Okay, Oh who is
Speaker 4: most likely to sell everything and travel the world for
Speaker 4: three years?
Speaker 1: It's a specific amount of time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, really, yeah, sell everything?
Speaker 2: Not Sophia.
Speaker 4: She's a hoarder. And I'm like you, I could never
Speaker 4: and not me. I don't leave my fucking house. Joey,
Speaker 4: you're the one that's traveling right now.
Speaker 1: I guess I could do that. I could see myself
Speaker 1: doing that. I don't know if I'd sell everything for
Speaker 1: three years of travel, I might sell everything for ten
Speaker 1: years of travel. If I was just like peace out,
Speaker 1: like Maria's at college, I'm gonna go just bounce.
Speaker 2: Do you want to be like those people who figured
Speaker 2: out that if they just live on cruises they don't
Speaker 2: taxes anymore, and so they're spending all their retirement money
Speaker 2: because they don't live anywhere. They live in international waters.
Speaker 2: There was this big article about this couple. They've taken
Speaker 2: their whole retirement savings and they are just living on
Speaker 2: cruise ships for the next fifteen years.
Speaker 4: Yep, the horror of that. To me, I could never
Speaker 4: That sounds like my worst lay.
Speaker 2: But if it's what you like. I am passionate about
Speaker 2: my things and my chotchkeys. I get made fun of
Speaker 2: very often when I talk about my chochkeys, I get
Speaker 2: teased about my trinkets and trash. One man's trash is
Speaker 2: another woman's treasure. Thank you very much.
Speaker 4: You're a bit of an overpacker, which I appreciate because
Speaker 4: I'm always the one that's like, I didn't bring shoes.
Speaker 2: I need a bad Yeah, you need shoes, you need earrings?
Speaker 4: Got it? Where? Yeah? Where do you go for three years?
Speaker 4: Where are you going?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna go. I mean I'm gonna travel.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on trains. I'll probably do Europe for
Speaker 1: a year, I'll do Asia for a year. I go
Speaker 1: to I don't know, maybe Australia. Just go wander, Yeah,
Speaker 1: see what's out there, say hi to people, get to
Speaker 1: know people that are different, say hellout.
Speaker 4: Which character is doing this? Is it? Also? Hayley?
Speaker 1: It feels like a Lucas thing if he didn't have Peyton,
Speaker 1: like if.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it feels like he would vagabond around and
Speaker 2: like write a second very book vagabonding novel. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 2: and Haley would like rib him and be like, what
Speaker 2: do you think you are? Jack Kerouac, and you'd be
Speaker 2: like yeah, like it would be very that and I
Speaker 2: think it would be cutie.
Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, all right, I like this.
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 4: Now we have a question, guys. We have a question,
Speaker 4: uh from Lisa.
Speaker 2: Lisa.
Speaker 4: This is a very broad question. I'm not mad at
Speaker 4: it though. She wants to know what your favorite genre
Speaker 4: of music is. Oh like today because it change changes.
Speaker 5: I mean today today, Cowboy Carter. Yeah, I'm like, I'm
Speaker 5: like Act too. The full album is currently my favorite.
Speaker 5: Everything happening, but it changes all the time. It depends
Speaker 5: on my mood.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know me too. Is there one genre that
Speaker 1: you can always listen to no matter what's going on,
Speaker 1: you can always be like, I'm done.
Speaker 2: With this, well is do you have one?
Speaker 4: I wasn't on to listen to modern radio growing up.
Speaker 4: I absolutely like nothing modern, and I only listened to
Speaker 4: like motown and more sixties music. Like the sixties was
Speaker 4: a whole vibe. And that was before you could get
Speaker 4: serious radio or any kind of yeah, satellite radio to
Speaker 4: like selectively pick things out.
Speaker 1: I heart.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So there was, Yes, there was a whole oldies station,
Speaker 4: and I learned every word to every oldie song ever.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's my comfort zone. The kids know, Like
Speaker 4: if they come in the kitchen and that's blaring, they're like.
Speaker 2: Oh, she had a day Okay, Yeah, mom's fantastically good.
Speaker 4: Yeah Motown.
Speaker 1: I love oldies. That's good. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: a that's a zone, the classic rock zone. I can
Speaker 1: get into a lot pretty easily. The Carol King and
Speaker 1: the Beatles and the seventies stuff. I'm pretty I'm pretty into.
Speaker 1: That's what my parents listened to, So I think it's
Speaker 1: the same type of thing. It's like whatever the comfort
Speaker 1: zone is from when you're a kid.
Speaker 2: Maybe, Yeah, It's like I always listened anytime I was
Speaker 2: alone in the car with my mom, we'd blare motown
Speaker 2: and anytime I was alone in the car with my dad,
Speaker 2: we'd always turn on like the original Eagles records, And
Speaker 2: so I have this like sweet, like solo date with
Speaker 2: my parents' energy about both of those things. So anytime
Speaker 2: I get in a car and like either of those
Speaker 2: genres is on the radio, I always leave it. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I feel like maybe because we're actors and like part
Speaker 2: of the way we really get into things is music.
Speaker 2: Like I make a soundtrack for every character I've ever played,
Speaker 2: So I feel like it's so hard to pick something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we have an appreciation for so many different things.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah that anytime, keep it on feels nice.
Speaker 2: All right, you guys.
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