1 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 1: Welcome one and all to the Hammer Territory Podcast. 2 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 2: My name is Sean Coleman. 3 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:30,080 Speaker 1: Hope, wherever you are and wherever you are listening, I 4 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: just hope you're having a good day. Less than twenty 5 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,919 Speaker 1: four hours ago, me and Stephen Tolbert, Stephen Tolbert himself, 6 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: my wonderful podcast partner, we just we just let it go, 7 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: you know, just just just had ourselves a nice you know, 8 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: just just I don't want to know if you want 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: to call it a therapy session, We'll just simply call 10 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: it a reckoning with reality. Just talking about this Braves team, 11 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, wondering that, hey, a month ago we had 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: talked about rock Bottom, didn't we sit here and see 13 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: the Braves have lost three of their past five game 14 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: to be a shutout if this was rock Bottom. And 15 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: less than twenty four hours later, Stephen, yet again we 16 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: redefine rock Bottom. Welcome to the Hammer Territory Podcast. Sean 17 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 1: Coleman with Steve Otber here with you. You can read 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: it in the headlines. We've got more fun stuff to 19 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: talk about, Stephen, take it away, sir. 20 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:18,639 Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up, buddy. We didn't think we'd be back here, 21 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 3: not even twenty four hours later, we knew we were 22 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 3: gonna do a podcast tonight. At some point we thought 23 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 3: it'd just be recapping another loss, but the baseball gods 24 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 3: had something else in store. And I will say this, 25 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,800 Speaker 3: I intentionally did not use the words rock bottom last 26 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: night at any point for this very reason, because it 27 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: can always get worse. It can it can always get worse. 28 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 3: Whatever you think rock bottom is, I mean, this could 29 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,120 Speaker 3: have been in Acunya injury, this could have been a 30 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 3: Strider blowout, and that stuff could be coming tomorrow. So 31 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 3: like whatever you think rock bottom is, it's never rock 32 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 3: bottom because it can always get worse. 33 00:01:56,360 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: And I do want to be fair to those who 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 1: may not have heard of the news. To straightforward news 35 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: is Spincer Schwellenbach, who has been one of the best 36 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: pitchers in baseball since May first. Rough start to the 37 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: season in April, but one of the best pitchers in 38 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: baseball since May first. It was revealed today that in 39 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: the move where Jerks and Profar was announced to be 40 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 1: coming to the Braves, Alex Berdugo was dfa'd. We thought 41 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 1: that was a little. 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 2: Bit of a glimpse of hope. 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: More that Spencer Schwellenbach fractured his elbow. He gave some 44 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: information himself. We saw some further news from it from 45 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: the Beat writers, but basically, he has a small fracture 46 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: in his elbow. He's not going to pitch for four weeks. 47 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: It's likely that he is going to be out for 48 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: multiple months, an extended period of time. We'll get more 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: information on a potential timeline as the future goes on. Steven, 50 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: I did not mean to interrupt you, but did want 51 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: to be fair to set up the context of the 52 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: podcast to make sure that anybody that may be listening 53 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: that may not know the full story they had that 54 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: please continue, sir. 55 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,119 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, one of us has to be a consummate professional, 56 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 3: and I think everybody realized it's not going to be me, 57 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,359 Speaker 3: so we need to do that. But it was I mean, 58 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: the way the Brids released this news was just incredibly 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 3: on brand. Like they sent out a press release that 60 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: had three paragraphs in it, and the first paragraph was 61 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 3: Jerks and Profar coming back up for Alex Raduco. The 62 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: second paragraph was about like what was it like about 63 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 3: dais Bell Hernandz's rehab start and like how it's going, 64 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 3: And then in the third paragraph was oh, by the way, 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,639 Speaker 3: the ace of the staff has a broken elbow. Okay, 66 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 3: and it's like calling your wife and being like, hey, 67 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: you forgot to feed the dog. And by the way, 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 3: the house burned down, like what, just perfectly on brand 69 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 3: for the season. I mean, just incredible stuff from the 70 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 3: social media and press release team, just just a plus stuff. 71 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: Are calling you the analogist that that analogy was wonderful, 72 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: Just analogist. 73 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 3: I mean it was just perfect, just an absolute perfect 74 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 3: way to get just soul crushing kick to the nut 75 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: level news and listen, the season's over. I mean we were, 76 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 3: we were. I didn't fully call it last night because 77 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 3: I said I wanted to see profar. There is no 78 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: world where the Braves survive a four five six week 79 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 3: injury to Spencer SWALLMB. But they already didn't have enough pitching. 80 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: They already had two guys in the rotation that had 81 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 3: no business being in a major league rotation. Now they're 82 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: gonna add a third. We're gonna get into the names 83 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 3: of which I promise you've never heard of unless you're 84 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: a sick Oh. I mean, this season's over, so you 85 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: know this episode is gonna be about the long term 86 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 3: look for Spencer. It is good news for Spencer. It's 87 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 3: a bone. He broke a bone. Bones are the easiest injury, 88 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 3: I mean, it's the most straightforward injuries. But just got 89 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 3: a heal. It's not a ligament, it's not something crazy, 90 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,960 Speaker 3: it's not a shoulder, just as a broken boneer's elbow. 91 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 3: It's gonna heal and he'll be fine. So that's the 92 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: good news. But for all intensive purposes, twenty twenty five 93 00:04:54,160 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 3: season is over. So now the questions become what's next, 94 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 3: And that's actually a very complicated question, and we're going 95 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 3: to start trying to answer some of those questions tonight. 96 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: Before we do that, do want to talk about Spencer himself, obviously, 97 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: because I think that that is important. And as you mentioned, 98 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: the big thing to take away from this, if there's 99 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: one glimmer of hope, it's the fact that again, this 100 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: is more of a short term step back for Spencer 101 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: Schwellenbach's career than it is some type of long term concern. 102 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: This is not an elbow ligament concern like we've seen 103 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: with aj Smith Shauber as well as Spencer Schrider over 104 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: the past twelve month twelve to twenty four months. This 105 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: is a fracture in the elbow. Again, they're thinking that 106 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: he will be back to pitching within too much. 107 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: So that is very much a positive. 108 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: The unfortunate thing, though, is is beyond obviously the importance 109 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: that Spencer Swellingbox has to the Braves, it takes away 110 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: the opportunity for him to continue establishing himself as one 111 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: of the top arms in baseball. You know, we're talking 112 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:03,080 Speaker 1: about a guy who was leading the majors in walks 113 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: per nine inning one point five walks per nine inning. 114 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: He had the best strikeout to walk ratio of pitchers 115 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: in baseball, and he's near the top of the league 116 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: in pitches thrown and in hims thrown this year, plus 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: his top ten in strikeouts. You're legitimately he's not Paul Schemes, 118 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: I will say that, but he's not far off. He 119 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: legitimately could have a cy Young or two in his 120 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: future with the way that his career is starting, and 121 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: you especially want to eventually see what he can do 122 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 1: in the playoffs with how well he does against quality teams. 123 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: So the first takeaway that I have, Stephen, is that 124 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: it's a positive that it's not a long term concern, 125 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: it seems, but it is a bit of a negative 126 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 1: that we don't get to see the continued evolution of 127 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,239 Speaker 1: Spencer Schwellenbach into truly being one of the best young arms, 128 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: best overall arms in the majors today. 129 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean it's a massive bummer. Schwellenbach did 130 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: a media session today right after the news drop, and 131 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 3: obviously they just had a bunch of questions and one 132 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: of them was I was it was probably my biggest 133 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 3: question is like, how did this happen? Like this is 134 00:07:03,279 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: not a common injury for a picture. Usually any sort 135 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 3: of broken bone comes off of some sort of contact, 136 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 3: either like with sail contacting the ground, breaking a rib 137 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: or you know, you've seen the hitters get this with 138 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 3: a hit by pitch, and so they were just asking, like, 139 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 3: you know, did they give you any kind of indication 140 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: of how this happened? And I think the term he 141 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 3: used was they told him it's just a freak injury, 142 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: is what they told him, which is just again hilariously 143 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 3: on brand, uh for the for the braves right now, 144 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 3: an actual doctor told him it's a freak injury. You know, 145 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: he had some theories about increased velocity and maybe if 146 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: that contributed. I have no idea. I don't think he 147 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 3: has really any idea on it either. When a doctor 148 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: tells you it's a freak injury, I don't, you know, 149 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 3: I don't really know how to follow up that with anything, 150 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 3: you know, intelligent. So it's a freak injury. And like 151 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 3: you said, it does rob him of the rest of 152 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: the season. He was going to be an All Star. 153 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 3: Second Braves pitcher that was gonna be an All Star 154 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: that's now not gonna be an All Star because they 155 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 3: got hurt. I think he had outside chances at cy 156 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: Young votes. He wasn't gonna win because of how bad 157 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 3: the Braves are, but you know, Zach Wheeler is probably 158 00:08:13,600 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 3: gonna win it. But he was gonna get votes, and 159 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 3: he was gonna get recognition, and you know, that might 160 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 3: have set up a cy Young campaign next year where 161 00:08:22,880 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 3: he's finally kind of in the national you know, I 162 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 3: because he's not really I mean, Braves fans know about him, 163 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: but like, he wasn't this high draft pick like Paul Skins. 164 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: He wasn't the number one prospect in baseball. Like, he 165 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 3: doesn't get that level of attention that he would if 166 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 3: he was you know, if he was the number three 167 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: overall pick in the draft or whatever. But because he 168 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 3: was a later round guy who kind of came out 169 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 3: of nowhere, he doesn't get that level of attention even 170 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: though he is that good. And so this sucks because 171 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 3: now he's just gonna be out of the you know, 172 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,839 Speaker 3: the the the attention of the league for a couple 173 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 3: of months, and he's gonna have to kind of build 174 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 3: up at all back up next year. But again, positive 175 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 3: news that it's just a bone that is far and 176 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 3: away the most positive thing of this is it's not 177 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 3: a ligament, it's not a shoulder, it's not soft tissue. 178 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,320 Speaker 3: It's just a bone. It's just gotta it's just a 179 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 3: bone that's got to heal. And that's literally the most 180 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: straightforward type of injury you can have as a as 181 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 3: an athlete. So but yeah, I mean, it effectively ends 182 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 3: his twenty twenty five. I know there's a chance he 183 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: can come back in September, but let's be honest, the 184 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: Braves aren't really gonna be worth coming back to September four. 185 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 3: So it effectively ends his twenty twenty five. It effectively 186 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 3: ends the Braves twenty twenty five. If we're being honest, 187 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 3: and so now we got to deal with the fallout 188 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 3: of that. 189 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: But of course, in the meantime, you know, we we 190 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,679 Speaker 1: can sit here and certainly call it and we just 191 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: we'll elaborate on that a bit more in just a bit. 192 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: But the thing that I'm getting at it is that 193 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: we can call it ourselves. The Braves probably are not 194 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: to that point yet, and of course they do now 195 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 1: have a big spot to fill in the rotation. 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And of course, 224 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,000 Speaker 1: so now as we spoke on in the first part 225 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: of the segment, you know the reason why we're doing 226 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: this emergency podcast is that Braves Starters Spencer Schwellenbach, in 227 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: the midst of what clearly was an all star season, 228 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,079 Speaker 1: unexpectedly has now been put on the shelf. He is 229 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: going on the io and what will likely be a 230 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: multiple months day could be a chances the rest of 231 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,840 Speaker 1: the season with a fractured elbow. It does not seem 232 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: as if it's some type of long term concern. This 233 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 1: isn't like there's ligament damage or anything like that in 234 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: his elbow. It's literally considered a broken bone. He's out 235 00:11:36,400 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: for at least four weeks until he starts throwing again. 236 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: And as we alluded to, this pretty much is just 237 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: the effective end to not only potentially his season, but 238 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,959 Speaker 1: also the Braves season as well. But again we can 239 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: make that comment no matter how true it is, the 240 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,719 Speaker 1: Braves themselves aren't going to focus on that for the moment. 241 00:11:53,800 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: They're going to try to still salvage this season, and 242 00:11:56,240 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: of course one of the biggest questions in the present 243 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: is going to be not how you replace Spencer Swellembot, 244 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: because you're not going to do that, but you've got 245 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: to be able to have some type of arm that 246 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 1: could eat innings in that spot. And so when we 247 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 1: look at the organizational depth Stephen, we alluded to it 248 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: last night, there's just not a lot of options out 249 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: there if this starting staff was going to experience another injury, 250 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: which they now have. But we at least can name 251 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: some names Nathan Wiles, Davis Daniels, Jackson Stevens those standout 252 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: is the three most likely names to at least in 253 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: the current, in the present, get the next start in 254 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: Spencer Swellenbach Spot. Both Wiles and Davis Daniel have joined 255 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,920 Speaker 1: the organization within the past twelve months, I believe during 256 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: the off season through trades, and of course Jackson Stevens 257 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: is a converted reliever who has had some decent success 258 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: in an expanded role as a starter, kind of ramping 259 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: up as a starter in recent weeks. I know that 260 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,679 Speaker 1: that doesn't inspire any type of real type of hope 261 00:12:50,760 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: or anything like that, but those are at least names 262 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 1: to consider, Stephen when it comes to, you know, taking 263 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: over Spencer swellenbox Spot. 264 00:12:57,559 --> 00:12:59,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean we talked about it last night with 265 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: as an elder. Like, the reason they're in in the 266 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 3: rotation is because there's no one else. And when you 267 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 3: start hearing names like Nathan Wiles and Jackson Stevens and 268 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: Davis Daniel or Daniel Davis, I don't even know which 269 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 3: one you just said. 270 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 2: There you go. 271 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: There, there's there's the there's exhibit A. Why the Braves 272 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 3: have a twenty year old in the rotation who's barely 273 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 3: pitched above a ball is because those are the names 274 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 3: not mentioned as like Hurston Waldrop because he's been awful 275 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 3: at Triple A and he's still you know, the Braves 276 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 3: have made some changes to his pitch pitch mix, and 277 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: they've made some they're trying to get him to be 278 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: a there's a career path for Herston Waldrop that looks 279 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 3: very much like a reliever, and I think the Braids 280 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 3: are trying to salvage this at this point where he's 281 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 3: not a reliever. But the in the meantime it's been 282 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 3: pretty rough, So I don't think you're gonna see Herson 283 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 3: Waldrop again. Like we talked about with the Sail injury, 284 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: I guess they could make a trade, but if they 285 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,680 Speaker 3: weren't going to do it for Sale, you know, I 286 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 3: don't know if they're going to do it now because 287 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 3: now it's even more dire than it was with Sale. 288 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 3: And they might have given up after the Sail injury, 289 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 3: and if they did that then obviously after this injury, 290 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 3: it's just even more confirmation that this season's over. Now again, 291 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: the team is not going to play like the season's over. 292 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 3: They're going to They're still going to field a team 293 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: tonight and tomorrow and Friday, and on Friday they need 294 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: a starter. They need a human being to stand on 295 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: the mound and throw away pitch. Now, who that is 296 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 3: probably gonna be Nathan Wiles my guess. He's probably had 297 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 3: the best numbers at Triple A, you know, unless they 298 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: trade for somebody, which again I wouldn't expect that's probably 299 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:47,720 Speaker 3: gonna be him. But now you've got Nathan Wiles, Bryce Elder. 300 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 3: I mean, Bryce Elder is your number three starter right now. 301 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: Like that's where it is. Bryce Elder is your number 302 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: three starter, So you can figure it out from there. 303 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: And the other thing that I think that some people 304 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: bring to mind is that, you know, you mentioned the 305 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: fact that d d Or Fuente is right now is 306 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: in the rotation. This is someone who really wasn't on 307 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: the radar as a you know, intriguing prospect for many 308 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, before he had that breakout performance in spring training. 309 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: But the reason that I bring that up is we've 310 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 1: seen the Braves, but they did it with Spencer Swellabach 311 00:15:17,080 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 1: just last year. We've seen the Braves be somewhat aggressive 312 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: with some of their better pitching prospects in the past, 313 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 1: but I don't think this is the time to do it. 314 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 2: That's why I don't expect, like I know JR. 315 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: Richie for instance, is going to be on the NL 316 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 1: Future squad. I don't expect for that to be the 317 00:15:31,800 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: move for the Braves either, because right now, to be honest, 318 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: with everything that's gone on this season, the Braves do 319 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 1: not need to do anything at all to change any 320 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: part of their organization right now that is successful. So 321 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,200 Speaker 1: if you've got your young pitchers on plans that is 322 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: leading to them to being successful, keep them on that 323 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: plan because there's no reason to try to delve away 324 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: from it to salvage this season or save this season. 325 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: Keep the value where you know the value is generating 326 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: right now. So I would not expect another aggressive type 327 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: movement with that top prospect coming up to fill his 328 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: spot either. 329 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent, it's time to let go of 330 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 3: the rope for twenty twenty five. Like well, there should 331 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: be no moves made with the next month in mind. 332 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 3: The only thing that the Braves should be doing over 333 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 3: the next month it's hoped that Marcelo Zuna can get 334 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 3: hot and the Braves can get something for him at 335 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 3: the trade deadline. I'll say this, it is advantageous to 336 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 3: be a seller at the trade deadline because there are 337 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: so few sellers because of the expanded playoffs. There are 338 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 3: so few sellers and so many buyers that if you 339 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 3: are a team and listen, the Braves are I understand 340 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 3: alex Ad Dopplos said they're not going to sell. That 341 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: was before their two best pitchers went down for basically 342 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: season ending injuries. So let's you know, I think it's 343 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: time to reassess that the Braves are most likely going 344 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 3: to sell. They have a couple of relievers that could 345 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: be interesting. Marcelo Zuna, if he ever gets back on track, 346 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 3: is a prime Canada to be sold because he's an 347 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: expiring contract, he's got a you know, he's he's a 348 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: three month rental, so it makes all the sense in 349 00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: the world to move him. That's all your need to 350 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 3: worry about over the next three months is trying to 351 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 3: get some of your better possible selling pieces out in 352 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 3: the front get you know, try to get their value 353 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: up as high as possible and move on when it's 354 00:17:23,480 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 3: time to do so. The you know, trying to make 355 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 3: these crazy moves calling up prospects from Double A or 356 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: A ball to try to salvage this season. Yeah, I agree. 357 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense. Don't mess with somebody's developmental timeline. 358 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: In fact, get Flintes back in Triple A, like call 359 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 3: up some random call up Nathan Wiles and Jackson Stevens. 360 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 3: Get points back in Triple A so he can develop 361 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 3: like there's no point and let him just bang his 362 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 3: head against the wall in the Majors when he's not ready, 363 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 3: when the season's already in the toilet. You know, I 364 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 3: don't like I've said that for two weeks, and that 365 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 3: was before these critical injuries. Let him go, let him 366 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 3: go back down to Triple A. So yeah, I one 367 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 3: hundred percent agree. Don't don't. Don't do anything durassic now 368 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 3: to try to salvage a season that is clearly lost. 369 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: And I don't want to use the word tank because 370 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: I don't think, you know, I don't think that the 371 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: Braves are going to do that. 372 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: I don't you know that. I'm not going to get 373 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 2: into that conversation. 374 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: But with the fact, you know we're actually, if you 375 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: haven't noticed, we're both wearing black. We kind of Steven 376 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: started wearing it. I put it on just for fun. 377 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: And the reason why that is is because we're calling 378 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: it now. You know, the sea to the twenty and 379 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: twenty five season is all for you know, intense purposes. 380 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 2: Dead when it comes to the Atlanta Braves hopes. 381 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: The only way that it is salvage, the only way 382 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 1: that it is saved now is for this Braves offense 383 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: to get close to what it was in twenty twenty three, 384 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: and that happening is more improbable than someone actually raising 385 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: from the dead. So my point is is that that's 386 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: why you know, all joking aside twenty and twenty five. 387 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 1: Trying to do anything to get the most value out 388 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: of this year probably is not going to be advantageous 389 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:05,080 Speaker 1: for the organization. And that extends to Spencer Schwellenbach and 390 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: Chris Sell coming back, but also that season outlooks for 391 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,359 Speaker 1: Spencer Strider as well as Grant Holmes. Because the point 392 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: I'm bringing up twenty and twenty five, yes it's done. 393 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: You're not going to get where you want to in 394 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. You still very much have the focus 395 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: of wanting to get where you want to get in 396 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. And the one aspect of this team 397 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: right now that you could see as making the Braze 398 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: of potential contender is their starting staff. So you look 399 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 1: for the long term outlooks for self, Strider, Schwellenbach, and Holmes. 400 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: And when am I say Strider and homes that means 401 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: potentially them not You know, at some point Grant Holmes 402 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: is going to exceed his past pitching limit, Strider is 403 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: going to exceed what he's pitched in quite a while. 404 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: Be careful with them as well. I think that's the 405 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: other conversations that need to be have if the season 406 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: goes long as it is now. 407 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is where it gets interesting because there's a 408 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 3: couple of things up play. The Braves still have to 409 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 3: care about attendance. The Braves still have to care about 410 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 3: how many people show up to that park every night. 411 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 3: You and I have had this conversation multiple times about 412 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 3: the Braves literally can't afford for that place to be 413 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 3: empty for two months at the end of the year. 414 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 3: So that's on one side. The other side is you 415 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:22,719 Speaker 3: need to start making plans for twenty twenty six and 416 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,679 Speaker 3: that includes exactly what you said. Uh Scott was tweeting 417 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 3: about this. There's no reason to blow through Grant Holmes's 418 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 3: career innings limit this season, Like at some point, let's 419 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: wind Grant Holmes a season down and start preparing for 420 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:41,719 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. There's no reason to push Spencer Strider 421 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 3: to the max one year after a elbow surgery just 422 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 3: to try to salvage this year. You know, let's start 423 00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 3: winding Spencer Strider down if you trade Ozuna. Honestly, I'd 424 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 3: put Akuna at DH. I don't want that guy running 425 00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 3: around in right field in a lost season. You know, 426 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 3: maybe it's time to send Michael Harris to Triple A 427 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: for a little bit and let him try to work 428 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 3: on stuff, or maybe you leave him in the majors 429 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: and let him work on stuff here. Maybe that's a 430 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 3: defense for doing that. But yeah, like how they handle 431 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 3: this is gonna be fascinating because they have to care 432 00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: about attendant, so they can't just they're not gonna strip 433 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 3: it down to the studs. Saw some nonsense about trading Acunya, Like, 434 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 3: don't let if you see people saying that it's a 435 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 3: really good litmus test for who you should listen to 436 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 3: and who you should and that's that's all I'm gonna 437 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: say about that. So they're not gonna strip it down 438 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: to the studs because they care about a attendance. The 439 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 3: rest of it's this year, and more importantly than that, 440 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: they want to contend next year. Like they rights have 441 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 3: a pretty terrible farm system. They're not in any situation 442 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 3: where they can like rebuild, like they're not gonna do that. 443 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: Olsen's gonna be the third base or the first basement 444 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: next year. Acunya is gonna be the right fielder. Rathery's 445 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 3: gonna be the third baseman. They're gonna probably have Murphy 446 00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: and Baldwin or at least one of them. Now there's 447 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 3: a conversation had about trading probably Murphy, but I don't 448 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 3: think that's gonna happen now. That would be an offseason 449 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 3: trade more than anything. But you know, Profar is most 450 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 3: likely going to be your left fielder because he signed 451 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: for two more years after this year at real money, 452 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 3: So like how he looks doesn't really matter for this year, 453 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 3: but it does matter for next year. What are you 454 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 3: going to do at second base? You know, I hate 455 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,479 Speaker 3: that Nacho Alvarez got hurt because this one actually been 456 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 3: a really good time to maybe call Nacho up and 457 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 3: see what he looks like at second base, because I 458 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:32,679 Speaker 3: don't know that you can run Ozzie Albi's back on 459 00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 3: the whole other season after what we've seen, So, yes, 460 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,919 Speaker 3: this part's going to be fascinating. How did they handle this? 461 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 3: How do they where's the line they draw between trading 462 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 3: pieces awage? You know, if you trade relievers away, no 463 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 3: one really cares. If you trade a Zuno away who's 464 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 3: already a rental, no one really cares. If you go 465 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: more than that, that's when you really start getting into 466 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 3: like people, you know, people just letting go and forgetting 467 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 3: about you. So I'm very curious to see how they 468 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: handle the next couple of weeks and months now that 469 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,639 Speaker 3: it's pretty clear in twenty twenty five is is toast absolutely. 470 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: And you know, as we've discussed, you know, we're not 471 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: mentioning these questions that we're bringing up. We've either brought 472 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 1: them up before or we've alluded to them before. Nothing 473 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 1: has changed in terms of the months that have been 474 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: leading up to this moment that has kind of been 475 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: expected as time has gone on. All the things that 476 00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: all the questions that Steven asked that need to be answered, 477 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 1: those have kind of. 478 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 2: Been on the radar for a while. But the point that. 479 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: I'm getting at is is that those questions haven't changed. 480 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: You're not going to see major changes to the personnel, 481 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: but that does not mean that significant changes do not 482 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: need to occur to make the most of the deck 483 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 1: of cards that you're dealing with in the present means 484 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 1: Stephen will talk about that more in. 485 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 2: Just a moment. 486 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 5: Nothing beats relaxing on a hot summer day and watching baseball, 487 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 5: and the simplest way to get in on the action 488 00:23:57,359 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 5: is a download the Pick six app from Draft King. 489 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 5: It's crazy simple. 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The pitching side 508 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,280 Speaker 1: of things again when it comes to this rotation. That's 509 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: the one aspect that when you look at the Atlanta Braves, 510 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:04,679 Speaker 1: you can be like, Okay, if other parts of their 511 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: team start getting better, this starting staff could be a 512 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: is good enough to be a World Series contending starting staff. 513 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 2: You're good. No, we could talk about rebuilding the bullpen 514 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:14,880 Speaker 2: some other time. 515 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: It comes back to the offense, the identity of the 516 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: foundation that this team was built on. It's got to 517 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: get back to at least being reliably at league average 518 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: or hopefully even better. And the first thing that stands 519 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: out to me when we talk about significant changes that 520 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: you need to focus on now since to make the 521 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 1: most of twenty twenty five inding earlier than expected, and 522 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: you hope that you don't run into it again. 523 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 2: In the future. 524 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: You have to start looking at those organizational changes that 525 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 1: we've talked about, and two names come to mind. There 526 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: are your two biggest offensive investments besides Ronald Accune Junior 527 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 1: and Matt Oilsen. You've got to figure out how to 528 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 1: get both Austin Riley. 529 00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 2: And Michael Harris in the right direction. I'm not wanting to. 530 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: Sit here and talk about a feel good story of 531 00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: them finishing the year with seven fifty opss for the 532 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: rest of the way. I'm talking about clearly changing up 533 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: how they find success at the plate and using the 534 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: rest of this year to establish that as the norm 535 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: moving forward. Those are two names this organization must get 536 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 1: back on the right track for them to get where. 537 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 2: They want to go. 538 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and again with Michael, like, is it best to 539 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 3: have him in the majors? Is it best to have 540 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,760 Speaker 3: him in the miners? Now that the results of the 541 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120 Speaker 3: games at the major league level don't matter as much, 542 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: maybe you have him in the majors. I don't know. 543 00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 3: I could probably be talking into either one of those. 544 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: I could probably hear an argument and be convinced either way. 545 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 3: With Austin, I don't really know what the answer is. 546 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 3: I don't know. So much of it has regressed back 547 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:44,480 Speaker 3: to how he looked as a rookie, where he's swinging 548 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: at all these sliders away. You know, there's been talk 549 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,719 Speaker 3: of that. One reason is because he's lost some of 550 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 3: his right field power and therefore he's not as anxious 551 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 3: to go that way as he used to be, and 552 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 3: so therefore he's just pulling off of everything. And that's 553 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 3: one of the reasons he's he's swinging at so many sliders. 554 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 3: I don't know. You know, Chipper was on six point 555 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 3: eighty the Fan today and I was hoping they would 556 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 3: get in. They really didn't get into a lot of 557 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 3: the individual players. I was hoping they'd get into more 558 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: individual player stuff. But I'd be fascinating to hear chippers 559 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,520 Speaker 3: point of view on this because Chipper's obviously known Austin 560 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 3: his entire major league career, and I don't know, I 561 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 3: don't know what to do with Austin, but you're one 562 00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: hundred percent right, of course. I mean, like the Braves 563 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 3: need Austin Riley probably more than Michael Harrit. I mean, 564 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: Austin Riley is Marcelo Zuno is gonna move on after 565 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 3: this year, Austin Riley's here for a while, So like 566 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,119 Speaker 3: I would, I would put it like eighty percent on Austin, right, Like, 567 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 3: the Braves need Austin Riley go back to being a 568 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,480 Speaker 3: five hundred slugging guy. Like if there's one number that 569 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,480 Speaker 3: I'm putting on one guy, the Braves need Austin Riley 570 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 3: to be a five hundred slug guy. And if if 571 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480 Speaker 3: Austin Riley is slugging five hundred or better, he's having 572 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 3: a good season, and he'd be slugging under five hundred, 573 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 3: he's he's less than what you need. And right now 574 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 3: he's like in the low four hundreds, and he's just 575 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 3: not a good enough player everywhere else to justify He's 576 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 3: not a high on base guy. He's not a high 577 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 3: average guy. He's not a like he's never gonna win 578 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: you a Gold Glove. He's not like a base stealing threat. 579 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:25,119 Speaker 3: Like Austin Valley is a slug first player. His entire 580 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 3: his entire profile is built on power. And so that's 581 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 3: a dude that needs to be running like a five 582 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 3: hundred slug and right now he's like one hundred points off, 583 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,919 Speaker 3: and that's a big deal. And that's the thing they 584 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 3: got to get figured out, maybe more than anything, quite honestly, 585 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: like that might be number one on the list is 586 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 3: we got to figure out what happened Austin Dalley's power 587 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 3: because it is his caring tool and he is a 588 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: critical piece. Obviously the highest paid player in the history 589 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 3: of the franchise, he is a critical piece to go 590 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: along with a kunya Knowlson moving forward. That's that's number 591 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 3: one on my list. 592 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: When you look at the hard hit percentages, when you 593 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: look at the op hitting the ball to the opposite 594 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: field percentages, all those numbers are at career lows. That's 595 00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 1: the sign that Austin Riley is really locked into the 596 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: plate when he's driving that ball to right center. You'd 597 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: love to see it again. I'm completely one hundred percent 598 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: on board with you and not looking to get too 599 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: far into this. But the other aspect of all this, 600 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: we're kind of in the time of the year where 601 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: this becomes a bigger conversation, a fun conversation, but an 602 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 1: even more significant conversation for the Braves this year as 603 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: well as potentially next year, and that is the adding 604 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: of talent to the organization through the MLB Draft, we've 605 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: got it coming up here in less than two weeks 606 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, We've got next year in which 607 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: the Braves will likely be in the lottery and a 608 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: better position that they could potentially be in the best 609 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: position pickwise that they've been in the Alex Stoppless era. 610 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: But of course, when we talk about organizational philosophy change 611 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: when it comes to offense, that could be as simple 612 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: as just taking the opportunity to add more overall talent 613 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,560 Speaker 1: to the organization. We know that the Braves and early 614 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: rounds of the draft really like to focus on pitching. 615 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 1: That may be what they continue to do. But if 616 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: the unexpected opportunity comes to where they're going to be 617 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,040 Speaker 1: higher up in rounds, you know, next year, and potentially 618 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 1: what they could do this year, what do you think, Stephen, 619 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: does it make sense to potentially add more offensive talent 620 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,239 Speaker 1: or with these injuries which have been more freak than 621 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: they have been more you know, could have been avoided 622 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: type injuries, do you stick with the idea of adding 623 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: pitching in. 624 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 2: The early rounds. 625 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: I wonder when we talk about organizational philosophies, that's a 626 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 1: very vague way of putting changes need to occur more specifically, 627 00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: do you focus on how you add talent to begin 628 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,280 Speaker 1: with when it comes to the draft. 629 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm gonna proface this by saying, I'm not 630 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 3: a prospect guy. I'm not a draft guy, but I 631 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 3: do consume baseball more than most people on the planet. 632 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 3: So the Braves need more position players in their franchise. 633 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 3: They need more position players at the minor leagues. If 634 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,960 Speaker 3: you look at the offensive numbers, not just at Atlanta, 635 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 3: but all throughout lead every level of the miners. For 636 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 3: the Braves, they are among the worst hitting teams at 637 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 3: every single level because they have very few position player 638 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 3: prospects that are worth anything. And since Alex and Dopplos 639 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 3: has been in charge, they are running like eighty ninety 640 00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: pitchers in these drafts over and over and over and 641 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 3: over again. And combine that with the fact that the 642 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 3: Braves were out of the international market so long, They've 643 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 3: had some international signings that haven't exactly gone the way 644 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 3: they hoped they would, at least so far. The Braves 645 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: just have this massive void all throughout their system and 646 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: position players, and there's no good there's no reason to 647 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 3: be that imbalanced. Where you were it's good to have 648 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: pitching prospects, of course, but like there's no reason to 649 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 3: go this hard in one direction and completely ignore the other. 650 00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,000 Speaker 3: And so yes, in my opinion, and listen, my opinion 651 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 3: is it's one person who is not necessarily a prospect 652 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 3: guy at all. The Braves need to get back to 653 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 3: a more balanced approach of drafting position players and developing 654 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,959 Speaker 3: position But the last decent position player to come out, 655 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously Drake Baldwin came up this year, but 656 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 3: like it was like Michael Harris in twenty twenty two. 657 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 3: Michael was drafted in twenty twenty that was five years ago. 658 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 3: And everybody says, well, they had the you know, all 659 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 3: the graduations with Acunya and Riley and Ozzie. Ozzie came up, 660 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,120 Speaker 3: Ozzie graduated from prospect status like nine years ago. Acunya 661 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 3: was like seven years ago, Riley was like six years 662 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 3: Like it's been a long time since that group came 663 00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 3: through their minor league system. And they and again I 664 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 3: say ever since Alex came along in eighteen, like they 665 00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 3: just have not replenished those players by going so pitcher heavy, 666 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 3: and I just don't agree with that. I think you've 667 00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 3: got to be more balanced. You got to have more 668 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 3: position player prospects. Listen, it's been a real problem in 669 00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,320 Speaker 3: the last couple of years. Anytime the Braves have an 670 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: outfield injury, they have to go acquire a new outfielder 671 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 3: because they don't have a single decent outfielder in the 672 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 3: organization at any level. They don't have a shortstop, a 673 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 3: decent shortstop at any level, and have it since Dan'sy left, 674 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: Like they just have ignored I don't know why, but 675 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 3: they've just ignored that side of the game for years, 676 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 3: and I just don't agree with it. I think they 677 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 3: need to go back to honestly, they need to go 678 00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,880 Speaker 3: position player heavy for a couple of years to try 679 00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 3: to balance this thing back out and get some decent, 680 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 3: like hitting prospects back in the system. That would I mean, 681 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 3: even if you don't need them immediately, they are tremendous 682 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 3: trade chips. You could do a lot with them. There's 683 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 3: much less risk of injury than there are with pitching prospects. Yeah, well, 684 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: just one man's opinion, but I would lean position player 685 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 3: heavy for a little while to try to balance this 686 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,280 Speaker 3: crazy unbalanced they have currently in their system. 687 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: Agreed, and I know again this is an emergency podcast 688 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: focused on the unfortunate and injury Dispenser Swelling Boch, but 689 00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: that is what it is, you know, it's it's a 690 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: freak injury that occurred. We've got a good idea what 691 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: the outcome is. Thankfully, it's not going to put you know, 692 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: his long term you know uh significance to the organization 693 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: in jeopardy. It already is. Basically it's just lost time 694 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: for Spencon Swelling Boch into what basically now is a 695 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,399 Speaker 1: lost season. But I think that it's important to kind 696 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: of go broader with the conversation because again, what's going 697 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:40,400 Speaker 1: to make this experience of twenty and twenty and twenty 698 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,840 Speaker 1: twenty four, the question was why is this happening unexpectedly 699 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 1: and how do we get back on track? For twenty 700 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 1: and twenty five a year later, the question has changed 701 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: to why is this now the norm? And how do 702 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,880 Speaker 1: we change that long term? Those are the questions. 703 00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 2: That need to be asked. 704 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: And the way that you make the most of this experience, 705 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: this down season, lost season and make sure it doesn't 706 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,840 Speaker 1: happen again is to take advantage of the time that 707 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: you have now take a step back, not in terms 708 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 1: of changing the personnel, but in terms of changing your 709 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,719 Speaker 1: process with the personnel and getting the most out of 710 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: them moving forward. This Braves team has shown time and 711 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: time again they can do that with talent that they 712 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: bring into the organization. They need to refocus it on 713 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 1: the talent that they've invested in long term to lead 714 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,480 Speaker 1: the organization to get back on track to where they 715 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: want to go. Steven, anything else from you as we 716 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: wrap up this edition of the Hammer Territory podcast. 717 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 3: No, it's just it's going to be a very critical 718 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 3: couple of weeks in a few weeks to see what 719 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:42,560 Speaker 3: the Braves do. Are they realistic? I hope they're realistic. 720 00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 3: I hope they're not trying to do a bunch of 721 00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 3: crazy stuff to try to salvage this. I hope they're 722 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 3: realistic that twenty twenty five is, for all intentsive purposes done. 723 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 3: It's time to regroup for twenty twenty six. You know, 724 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 3: I would definitely gauge the interest of my relievers, you know, 725 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,520 Speaker 3: Aaron Bummer, Pierce Johnson. This time of year, contenders need relievers, 726 00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 3: and there's so few sellers on the market that you 727 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,560 Speaker 3: can actually get decent prices for guys who aren't even 728 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,919 Speaker 3: you know, closer level relievers, and then you know, maybe 729 00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 3: see if Azuna can get hot again, get his value up, 730 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,919 Speaker 3: and see if you can move him, and then start 731 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,040 Speaker 3: retooling for twenty six. And it's going to be a 732 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,840 Speaker 3: very interesting couple of weeks to see how the Braves handle. 733 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 3: I mean, they've lost their two best pitchers for effectively 734 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 3: the year, so it's time to be realistic about what 735 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,399 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five is and what twenty twenty five isn't 736 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 3: and start looking a little bit longer down the road. 737 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: But of course that means that the content is always 738 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,600 Speaker 1: going to remain compelling as well, because even if the 739 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: shift focuses from twenty and twenty five twenty and twenty six, 740 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,640 Speaker 1: that just puts more emphasis on the Braves hitting it 741 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: at home run when it comes to the draft. And 742 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,520 Speaker 1: we're going to have some good, good insight for you 743 00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: when it comes to the twenty and twenty five MLB draft. 744 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,799 Speaker 1: Of course, the All Star Game is in Atlanta. Have 745 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: some perspectives for you on that talking trade deadline obviously, 746 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 1: because it's going to be interesting to how the Brave's 747 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: pivot with all that's happened over the past few weeks, myself, 748 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 1: Stephen brad Rowland, Scott Coleman, as well as some potential 749 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 1: special guests. We're all going to have it broke down 750 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: for you here on the Hammer Territory podcast. You can 751 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: find Stephen at b Underscore Outliers on Twitter slash section. 752 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: My name is Sean Coleman. You can find me at 753 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 1: Stat's Sac on Twitter slash x. Hammer Territory across all 754 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 1: forms of social media part of the Foul Territory family 755 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 1: of podcasts. 756 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 2: Folks. 757 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 1: I know that it's not fun right now, and it 758 00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:37,879 Speaker 1: just seems like every single day it gets a bit 759 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: and bit worse. 760 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 2: But in time, in time. 761 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: I still have faith this organization is going to make 762 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: the most of this experience and we're going to get 763 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: back on track and once again be where we want 764 00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 1: to be as time goes on. 765 00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,960 Speaker 2: Steven, one more thing from you, sir. 766 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 3: And remember this is not rock bottom, because it can 767 00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 3: always get worse tomorrow. 768 00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,760 Speaker 1: This is very true. This right now, this is evolution. 769 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,000 Speaker 1: Sometimes you go through valleys, sometimes you go over mountains. 770 00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,680 Speaker 2: I'm gonna put the pull pit away. We've already delivered 771 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 2: the eulogy on the side. We're done listen. Hope you 772 00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:08,760 Speaker 2: enjoy the game tonight. 773 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,480 Speaker 1: Hopefully the Braves will get win plenty to discuss over 774 00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: the next few weeks, and we will have you covered 775 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:16,160 Speaker 1: in all of it here on the Hammer Territory Podcast. 776 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: Until next time, go Braise. We'll talk to you again 777 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: soon here on the Hammer Territory Podcast.