1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Welcome in. Brown's General manager Andrew Berry. Andrew, thanks for 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:03,559 Speaker 1: joining us. 3 00:00:03,440 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 2: Tonight, No problem, Thanks for having me Ken. 4 00:00:04,920 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: All right, Mason Graham number five overall? Tell us what 5 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 1: went into the pick? 6 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so, you know, Mason, we really feel like he's 7 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 3: a great fit for what we want to do. Defensively, 8 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 3: interior pressure is hard to find. It's hard to come by, 9 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,079 Speaker 3: but it's extremely impactful. I think, you know, if you 10 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 3: look at you know, the free agent market, those guys 11 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 3: are getting thirty plus million dollars now, and you know, 12 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 3: Mason to be able to affect the pocket from the inside, 13 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,880 Speaker 3: you know, in our attack front, you know, with the 14 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 3: Hris that we already have and some of the guys 15 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 3: we already have in the. 16 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Room, we felt like it was a fantastic opportunity for us. 17 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: Browns General manager Andrew Berry joining us here on the 18 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: Draft Show with Tyvas Palin Nathan's a girl Aby. 19 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 4: Let's go back to the trade that set this up, 20 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 4: the pick of Mason Graham. When I saw it, honestly, 21 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 4: I kind of was like, wasn't sure I was reading 22 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 4: it correctly? Would one thing to get a future first 23 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 4: to move back three spots would be great but the 24 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 4: ad pick number thirty six in this draft, when a 25 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: lot of people said that's kind of the sweet spot 26 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 4: in this draft. How pleased were you with that? 27 00:00:58,440 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 2: Yeah? 28 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: We we We felt like it was a really good 29 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 3: use of the original pick to trade into what we 30 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: thought would be the heart of the draft and to 31 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: get a future first round pick, which you know, we think, 32 00:01:09,000 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 3: aside from acquiring a quarterback, is probably the hardest thing 33 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 3: to do in the sport. We think it sets us 34 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 3: up really nicely over the over the next two drafts, 35 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 3: you know, to to really make an impact on the roster. 36 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 5: A maybe a lot of we've seen that you guys 37 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 5: accumulated another second round pick. A lot of people think 38 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 5: that you might package that up and move back into 39 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 5: the first round. 40 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: Is that something that's on your mind, I'd. 41 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 3: Say, you know, never say never. I mean, part of 42 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: it is, you know, we're monitoring how the board's currently falling. 43 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: You know, it's typically not in our mo o to 44 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 3: to to move up, you know, but we did do 45 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 3: it for j Ok a couple of years ago. So 46 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 3: I would never rule anything out. But each situation is 47 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: probably as unique. 48 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 4: Bring in Mason Graham and you mentioned with the edge pressure. 49 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 4: It's great to have somebody could collapse the pocket. I'm 50 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 4: sure you're imagining him and my call next to each 51 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 4: other for a very long time, and that's got to 52 00:01:54,760 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 4: be pretty enticing. Where you look at kind of the 53 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 4: way this board may fall thirty three third, there could 54 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 4: be a bevy of skill position talent there to address 55 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball. Was getting that thirty 56 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 4: six pick, knowing that was that a big factor and 57 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 4: obviously sealing the deal in addition to the future first. 58 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd say everything was a factor in it. Certainly 59 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 3: having you know, another pick in the top forty, that's 60 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 3: a huge, huge advantage. You know, we'll know here, I 61 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:22,399 Speaker 3: guess in the next I guess Arizona's on the clock, 62 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 3: so'll call it the next fifteen ish picks. What we're 63 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 3: staring at going into Friday, and one thing we do know. 64 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,360 Speaker 3: We don't know the positions, but we know we're going 65 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 3: to be staring at some good players. 66 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: Is there something to the value of thirty three? It's 67 00:02:34,600 --> 00:02:36,800 Speaker 4: been traded three years in a row, but twice to 68 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 4: go up, so it's gotten out of Friday and once 69 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 4: weighted Will Levis, they came up to Titans kid for him. 70 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: When you have that. 71 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 4: There's, maybe it becomes a little more valuable than just 72 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 4: pick thirty three because it's the first pick and everybody 73 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 4: wants it. 74 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're spot on, Nathan. You know, it's 75 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: it's not just the player you could select. But quite honestly, 76 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: ever since the draft went to a three day format, 77 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 3: like there's, you just get more optionality with that pick 78 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 3: that starts from day night. And so whether we trade up, 79 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 3: trade back, select the player, you know, we'll we'll see, 80 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 3: but you know, we we feel like that's a valuable 81 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: pick to have as well. 82 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 5: Walk me through what goes through the processes. Obviously, when 83 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 5: you get to five, there's a bunch of players that 84 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 5: you know, other guys want scout say, you know this 85 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 5: is the guy, how do you determine? All right, Mason 86 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 5: Graham is the guy that we're going to choose out 87 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 5: of all of those guys. 88 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 3: So one we make those decisions ahead of time when 89 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 3: you're you know, picking this high like it's a short 90 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 3: list of players that should go on that spot. So 91 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 3: you know, we had you know, probably seven guys that 92 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: we identified that you know, we thought we're you know, 93 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: we're excellent prospects that we have some level of interest 94 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 3: in at that price point, so to speak. And then 95 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 3: when they went and we just really ordered them. So 96 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: when they went off the board, and you know, Mason 97 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 3: was our was our you know, highest guy relative to 98 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 3: that to that group, and we were really excited to 99 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 3: get him. 100 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 4: I know, if you remember, I asked you on Monday 101 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 4: about is there a number of blue chip guys and 102 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 4: you just said seven. I'm guessing interpreting that that you 103 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 4: if you trade, you want to stay in that group. 104 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 4: And to be able to do that and pick up 105 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 4: the assets he did, that's got to make you very happy. 106 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, I may. You know, back up, I wouldn't say 107 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 3: that we necessarily thought there were just seven, you know, 108 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 3: blue chick chip guys. We would have been happy trading 109 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 3: at any point, you know, anywhere on the board as 110 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 3: long as the compensation, for sure, that's that's probably the 111 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 3: big thing. We felt like this deal was especially attractive 112 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: because it allowed us to stay within the top five 113 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: while adding a high too in a future first round pick. 114 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: Andrew Berry, joining us, Brown's general manager here on the show, 115 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: did what was it about maybe Mason's personality that stuck 116 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 1: out to you and the staff. 117 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I'd say it's actually more his his I 118 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: would say his competitive personality because really, like in person, 119 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,560 Speaker 3: Mason is actually for a guy who's a tough, physical 120 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: defensive tackle, he's actually a little bit unassuming. He's a 121 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: little bit on the quieter side. But when he crosses 122 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 3: the white lines, you can't help but notice him. He 123 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 3: plays with an incredibly high motor. He's incredibly tough, He's 124 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 3: incredibly competitive and physical, and when you add that, you 125 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 3: know kind of uh, you know on field persona with 126 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: the physical talent, his athleticism is quickness, his strength. You know, 127 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: he has the potential to be a game wrecker in this. 128 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 4: League for people who I know a lot of people 129 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 4: in this are probably watched him maybe play Ohio State, 130 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 4: so they saw they gave me. Obviously played very well 131 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 4: in that game. But who just pull up the numbers 132 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 4: because you're talking about interior presses. Ay, he's sold three 133 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 4: and a half sacks, seven tackles for lost, never double digit, 134 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 4: but you're talking about the penetration and the pressure. What's 135 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 4: kind of not for a box score scout. What's the 136 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,480 Speaker 4: tape tell you about his billy at this level maybe 137 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 4: to be more productive in those areas. 138 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think there are two things. 139 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 3: I think number one, and we talk about this all 140 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:39,600 Speaker 3: the time with Miles where people like, Okay, hey he 141 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: didn't get a sack, he had you know, he had 142 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: a bad game, When that's that's really not really the 143 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: best way for you to look at defensive linemen. The 144 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: second thing, with Mason specifically, it's actually pretty incredible the 145 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: in production he was able to have give him what 146 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 3: they asked their defensive lineman to do. They're very much 147 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: more of a read and react system. You know, play 148 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 3: the run before you before you rush. We're the exact opposite. 149 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 3: Or get up the field, disrupt penetrate, really play the 150 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 3: run on your way to the quarterback. 151 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 2: And he's gonna fit perfectly in that. 152 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 4: When you have a Miles Garrett and you're studying an 153 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 4: interior guy. How maybe he's double teamed a lot on tape. 154 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 4: I didn't watch a ton to be perfectly honest of 155 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 4: his hate, but do you pay more attention to his 156 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 4: one on one situations knowing that, hey, at this level, 157 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 4: he's going to be singled up a heck of a 158 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 4: lot more than he probably was in college. 159 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, we would do that for any rusher edge interior, 160 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 3: regardless of who they are. Because you really, if you're 161 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: if you're taking defense line that you think will be 162 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 3: a good rusher, you want one of two things. Either 163 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 3: the guy that commands the slide or the protection, which 164 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 3: Mason did in college and Miles does for us currently 165 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: or and or you want the guy that if someone 166 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 3: else's commanding to sie, they can win. They can win 167 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 3: the one on one matchups consistently enough. 168 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,359 Speaker 5: Andrews, I was about to call you coach, av was 169 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 5: the coach of the person. 170 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 2: That's true. 171 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 5: How much do y'all pay attention to what other teams 172 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 5: in the division doing, like Sinnatti Pittsburgh. You know, how 173 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 5: much do y'all pay attention? And how much does that 174 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 5: change what y'all want to do in the draft. 175 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't really, it doesn't really impact us. 176 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 3: Like you know, we we we build our team to 177 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 3: what we think will allow us to, you know, build 178 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 3: a team that can compete year in and year out 179 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 3: for for championships. Look, we would rather places follow us 180 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 3: than we followed, you know, follow other teams, and so 181 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 3: we'd like to zig when other people zag we'd like 182 00:07:26,960 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: to zag when other people zig, and that doesn't really 183 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: play a major role into how we build a team. 184 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: So, you know, this this revamp of the of running 185 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: games in the NFL, especially because quarterbacks are coming out 186 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 1: and the offenses are so much different than what we've 187 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: seen in previous years, that doesn't play a part into 188 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,240 Speaker 1: maybe the importance of of Mason Graham. 189 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 3: No I, I'd say this, that didn't necessarily go into 190 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 3: this particular pick, And honestly, if it was a player 191 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 3: that we didn't think could rush, there's no way we 192 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: would have used the the pick on pick on him. 193 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 3: We don't really bring in guy We don't really look 194 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 3: to acquire guys who are just first and second down players, 195 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 3: particularly guys that you're going to use a high resource on. 196 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: They have to be able to impact the passing game 197 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 3: and they have to be able to impact third down, 198 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: and that's particularly important in our scheme with how we 199 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 3: use our defensive linement and particularly our defensive tackles. 200 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 2: So that's a huge component of it. 201 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 4: So you can envision obviously Malik who has been a 202 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 4: professional pass rusher, My Hall and Mason having that rotation, 203 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 4: same frush. But these are guys who are going to 204 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 4: play on third down, so we have the opportunity to 205 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 4: have two defensive tackles out there on third down more than. 206 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: Perhaps correct in the past. Correct. 207 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,439 Speaker 4: Okay, So it's good to talk about just kind of 208 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 4: your philosophy and from when you came in twenty twenty 209 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 4: this time around with the defensive tackle position, because it 210 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 4: seems like it is shifted. You've now use the first 211 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 4: round pick and a secon round pick. Now both those 212 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 4: guys pass rushers. But initially it was kind of let's 213 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 4: just get anybody in here, and that wasn't necessarily as 214 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 4: much of a priority position as it appears to be now. 215 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: I think it just depends on the scheme. 216 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 3: You know, fair with Joe was really there was a 217 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 3: little bit more emphasis on the edge guys. With Jim, 218 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 3: there's a little bit more emphasis on on the on 219 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: the interior guys. So you know, that's a little bit 220 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: more the shift. We'll always you know, even you know, 221 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 3: earlier in my tenure, if we were going to use 222 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 3: a high resource on an interior player, he would have 223 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 3: had to rush past rusher has to be a pass rusher. 224 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 1: Andrew, thank you very much for the time. Good luck 225 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: the rest of the weekend. All right, thanks guys, Brown's 226 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: general manager Andrew Berry, joining us in studio as we 227 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: go through the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.