WEBVTT - Rocky Mountain High with Sarah Herron 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.640 How I Suck at Dating with Denunglert and Jared Haven 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:11.160 and I heard radio podcast What's going on? Everyone? Welcome 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.200 to help I suck at dating. Thank you so much 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:15.920 for joining us on this very special episode this week 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.800 because it's a special episode, let me tell you, because 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:20.960 Jared's not here, and it's always special when Jared's not 0:00:21.000 --> 0:00:23.279 here because we have no idea what's going to happen. Um, 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:27.760 but we have Sarah Harron joining us. Sarah, say hi 0:00:27.760 --> 0:00:30.120 to everyone. That's great Sarah's I'm sure all the listeners 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:32.479 out there. No, she was from. I honestly don't know 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.000 what season of The Bachelor y're from, but I do 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.720 know you were from Paradise. Yeah. So I was on 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.920 Shawn Lowe's season of The Bachelor season seventeen, a long 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.519 time ago. I think we're coming up on like the 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.720 Tenure Anniversary and then Bachelor in Paradise one, O G 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:50.640 and Bachelor in Paradise three. Nice. Which of those did 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:53.040 you enjoy more? Like? Would you have a better experience on? 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.720 They were all great? I mean I had amazing and 0:00:57.840 --> 0:01:00.560 different experiences on all of them, but I think Bachelor 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.560 in Paradise one was probably the most enjoyable because it 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:07.640 was a new experience, it was familiar faces. You start 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.839 to feel a little bit more comfortable in the environment 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:12.840 and like the run of show. And yeah, I think 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:16.880 Paradise one was probably more fun. But the Bachelor with 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:20.679 Sean and all those original cast, I mean that was 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:23.800 like life changing. Yeah, definitely life changing. I heard that 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:26.440 wasn't a season one of Bachelor in Paradise filmed in 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.200 like a different location and then you guys had like 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:30.320 awful weather for a couple of days or like weeks 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.880 or something. Yeah, it was filmed into Loom and it 0:01:33.920 --> 0:01:36.360 was at a beautiful property, but I think just the 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.520 time of year down there, it wasn't ideal. So we 0:01:39.560 --> 0:01:41.600 had really bad weather and it was storming every day. 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:46.320 So I think they shifted everything to Do you ever 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.560 feel weird talking about The Bachelor now? Because I mean 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:50.880 I I certainly do. Where it's like like you were 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:53.880 just saying your ten year anniversaries coming up, and um, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:55.760 it's just you know, like, do you ever feel like 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.040 that's a long time ago, so let's not talk about 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:00.960 that anymore. I think it kind depends on who I'm 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:04.400 talking to. Um, you know, if it's like close friends. 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.760 I don't mind, but it starts to feel odd, like 0:02:06.840 --> 0:02:10.119 I have friends from this chapter of life who are like, oh, 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:13.760 I binge watched Bachelor in Paradise. I can't believe, you know, 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.480 And they don't know me in that context today, and 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:18.560 so it's just kind of like a mind trip. You're like, 0:02:19.080 --> 0:02:21.680 take it with a grade of salt, Like I don't know, 0:02:21.680 --> 0:02:24.400 it's a different season of life, and it's just kind 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:26.760 of odd. But I think my biggest gripe with the 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:29.119 whole thing is I just don't like how it sometimes 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.240 makes it. It feels like it's like defining me, you 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:33.280 know what I mean, Like, well, when that's all people 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:34.800 want to talk about, I'm like, there's a lot more 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:36.240 to me than just the fact that I was on 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.000 these TV shows. But um, it gets Yeah. I see 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:41.960 your point though, especially when like you meet someone and 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:44.360 they watch your show and you're like, Okay, well let's 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:46.280 let's let's take that with a grain of salt. Like 0:02:46.320 --> 0:02:48.919 you said, you know, I know, but I want to 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.239 talk more about you. So we haven't really I think 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:54.359 this is our first time maybe even ever meeting, right, Yes, 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.440 and I actually have a lot to talk to you 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.480 about because I don't think you know, or maybe you 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:08.160 know that I live in Carbondale, Colorado. Yes, Um, I've 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:11.480 lived here for about five years now. I think I'm 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.200 coming up on my five year anniversary. But I grew 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.840 up in Evergreen over the Front Range, and then I 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:21.079 met my now fiance who lives in Carbondale. He grew 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:24.760 up in Glenwood, and um, I moved back from l 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:27.560 A to live in Carbondale with him. That's amazing and 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.040 for the listeners, So for listeners, I grew up in Basalt, 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:32.919 which is basically the next town down from Carbondale. I 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:34.600 guess up, depending on which way you're looking at it. 0:03:34.800 --> 0:03:37.520 Super small, super small town area. Though that's incredible. I 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.000 wonder I'm sure we probably know a lot of the 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:44.840 same people then, because well, yeah, so yes we do. Um, 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:48.040 I mean nothing like I don't know any of your friends. Really. 0:03:48.040 --> 0:03:49.840 I think I've maybe met a few people in town 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:52.360 who like you grew up with and stuff, and I'll 0:03:52.360 --> 0:03:55.120 always be like, oh, do you know Dean, But um, 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:58.840 actually I don't know if you hopefully remember Randy Scott 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:04.360 Hunter Scott's before, Um, Randy is essentially like my uncle. 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.160 He's he's actually my dad's he's my dad's roommate of 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.880 all things. They've been friends for like forty years. And 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:13.760 when my dad went through a divorce two years ago, 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.080 my dad and Randy got a place together. Wow, Randy 0:04:18.120 --> 0:04:21.440 Scott that name in a while, So so yeah, Randy 0:04:21.560 --> 0:04:24.799 was my best friend Hunter's dad, and Hunter obviously tragically 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:27.479 died when I was ten years old, eleven years old. 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.960 And what's funny actually about Randy is um, I was 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:33.240 like on Facebook the other day for some reason, just 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:35.039 like going through old messages, and I had a message 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.640 from Randy Scott that I had already been read and everything, 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:40.520 and he it was about my first sin, fun Paradise, 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.000 when I made a complete fool out of myself. He 0:04:43.040 --> 0:04:45.360 messaged me on Facebook and he goes, Dean, what the 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.599 hell are you doing? Get your together? You've got the 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:49.720 world at your hand, at your feet or something like that, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:51.600 and you're making a mockery of it all, like make 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.160 your make us look good or something. So, I mean, 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:56.640 I haven't talked to him at all lately, but he's 0:04:56.640 --> 0:04:58.479 a good guy. That's so. That's so funny that he's 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.320 so close to you. Yeah, I hope it's okay. I'll 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.520 tell him you say hello. Oh my gosh, of course 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.320 I miss I mean, yeah, I see Randy like every 0:05:06.400 --> 0:05:09.000 day because they live in Emma. They live in Basalt still, 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:14.000 so um, I see them all the time. I can't believe. Yeah, 0:05:14.080 --> 0:05:16.600 it's a really small world. And I've met your dad 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.400 and you're I think she is she your step mom, 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.200 your dad's girlfriend. I think they are married. Yeah. How 0:05:23.200 --> 0:05:26.520 did those interactions with my dad go? Just curious? Um? 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:30.200 I mean I think I remember being like, I kind 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:32.760 of know your son, but we've never met. Were from Paradise, 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:37.039 and it was, um, not really who's just kind of like, oh, 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:42.200 not really engaged, but um because they own the little 0:05:42.240 --> 0:05:46.200 like co op grocery store in town and it was 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:48.360 right out right near my house, so I go there 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:50.279 all the time. But now we're just we say hi 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:52.600 and that's it. That's so funny. Well, for the record, 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:55.839 him and I don't get along still. Uh And it 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:57.919 actually kind of infuriates me a little bit too, not 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.280 like so much that, but so my brother us had 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.320 a baby to three month little baby now and my 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:03.919 dad still haven't reached out to my brother and like 0:06:04.040 --> 0:06:07.880 congratulated him or said anything about that. So I'm sorry, 0:06:08.040 --> 0:06:10.120 it's just I mean, it's fine. It's just as I'm 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.760 annoyed for like my brother to not like he's his 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.000 first grandkid, you know, and he's not even trying to 0:06:15.120 --> 0:06:17.880 at least congratulate my brother on anything. But anyway, that's 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:20.080 neither here nor there. But that's so sorry. We don't 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:24.320 need to get into strained family. You're fine. I mean, 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:26.640 I'll talk about anything. I'm an open book when it 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:28.280 comes to that stuff as well. But I just don't 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:30.880 want us to get derailed from our from our totally 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.640 from our episode. I guess, so you live in Carbondale 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:36.400 with your fiance. What's your fiance? His name? His name 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.800 is Dylan Brown, Um, and he's a photographer. I don't 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:43.200 He and I are a couple of years older than 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:45.800 you were thirty five, so I don't know if, um, 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:48.120 you would have had any overlap growing up in the 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:52.880 valley too. He graduated high school probably oh five, I guess, Yeah, okay, yeah, 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:54.840 I was oh nine, so he probably like got out 0:06:54.880 --> 0:06:56.880 right before. And granted it was different high school all 0:06:56.880 --> 0:06:59.480 that kind of stuff, But yeah, how did you guys meet? 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:04.680 We met? Actually because so I was living in l 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:07.360 A and I had just started my nonprofit she lived, 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:11.960 and I was looking to hire a photographer slash videographer 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.840 to document one of our first events, and it was 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:18.640 being held in Aspen, so I was looking for local 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:22.600 UH crew and he came as the referral and we 0:07:23.240 --> 0:07:25.840 hung out and he attended the retreat and helped all 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:29.880 of the girls. Um. Just for a little background, the 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:34.560 nonprofit helps young women with disabilities learned confidence through skiing 0:07:34.640 --> 0:07:38.120 and hiking and rock climbing and outdoor recreation. And so 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.520 once I saw Dylan spending time with all these girls 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.920 and being really thoughtful and considerate and patient with all 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:48.960 their needs and just friendly, UM, an attraction grew and 0:07:49.040 --> 0:07:52.200 I fell in love with them. And now we're engaged, engaged, 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.040 and you've been engaged for like a year, I think, right, 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.560 one year? Yeah, exactly. How did he pop the question? 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:02.760 On the Roaring Fork River. We're big, we're river rats, 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:07.520 and so we I love rafting, and he arranged an 0:08:07.520 --> 0:08:10.240 afternoon to go rafting and did it right under this 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:13.520 epic view of Mount sop Rust Again, for everyone listening, 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:15.240 I know this is you don't know where this is, 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:18.400 but it's like where demon I I spent a lot, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:19.920 have spent a lot of time, and so it's right 0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:22.560 under my favorite mountain on the river and with my 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:24.720 friends and some champagne and it was perfect. It's just 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:26.400 so I love that you live in Carbone because I 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.760 love that we can, you know, bond over the fact 0:08:28.840 --> 0:08:31.080 that you of all the little spots you're talking about. Um, 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:33.800 I know, and I've been waiting, like for so long 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:36.320 because I've known this for like years, but obviously we 0:08:36.360 --> 0:08:40.400 haven't really overlapped. And um, and then like there's just 0:08:40.440 --> 0:08:42.760 so many similarities I feel like between you and Kalin 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.520 and me and Dylan, And like when I met Dylan, 0:08:45.720 --> 0:08:48.920 I was the l a girl that kind of had 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:50.880 to step out of my comfort zone and learn how 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.000 to go camping and traveling, and Dylan got me into 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:58.160 climbing and repelling. And I see like so many similarities. Um. 0:08:58.240 --> 0:09:00.760 So I've always wanted to talk to you, and God, 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:02.720 we finally have the chance. I know. I'm excited too, 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:05.199 and I'm ex super excited for your engagement as well. 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:08.760 Do you guys have a wedding date plans? We don't. 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:11.360 We don't have a date yet because we have been 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:15.959 going through IVF treatment UM for a little over a year, 0:09:16.160 --> 0:09:18.880 so that kind of we like put the cart before 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.600 the horse a little bit in that sense. And we 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.319 tried to start a family before we got engaged, so 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.679 that's taken a little bit of the priority. It's tough 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.560 to plan a wedding when you're not really sure what's 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.040 going on with pregnancy, and I you've been pretty open 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.079 about the IVF process, right, how has that been? Yeah, 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:39.520 it's been. Uh. I mean, like every challenge or struggle 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:43.960 that I seem to encounter, I'm very fortunate to find 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:48.640 an amazing community through it. So infertility is extremely challenging 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:52.160 and difficult, and it's something that so many families, women 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.520 and men deal with, um, you know, in private, they 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.840 keep it to themselves. And this is where I'm so 0:09:57.960 --> 0:10:00.400 fortunate to have the platform that I have because I've 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.360 been able to connect with women everywhere through this. So 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:07.839 it's been a really hard, long journey, but I feel 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.440 grateful to have, you know, an amazing doctor and an 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:15.560 amazing support group out of everyone online and in person. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.840 And so I'm hopeful. I'm optimistic we finally have enough 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:21.400 of our embryos frozen on ice that we're going to 0:10:21.480 --> 0:10:25.280 move forward with starting to like implant and transfer more embryos. 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:40.320 So fingers crossed fingers for you to thank you in 0:10:40.400 --> 0:10:42.360 your journey with all this IVF stuff. How did you 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.400 even find out that it was something that you needed 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:49.000 to do? Um? Well, essentially, Dylan and I one day 0:10:49.160 --> 0:10:51.720 just kind of decided we were ready to start having kids. 0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:53.480 We were like, we have so much fun. Wouldn't it 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:56.000 be so cool to like bring a kid on these 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:59.520 adventures that we love doing. And so we started trying 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:02.160 natural early and I knew, you know, I was thirty three, 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:03.400 So I was like, Okay, I need to be a 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:05.679 little bit aware that doctors say you should try for 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.480 six months, um and if you have no luck to 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:11.800 go in and get your hormones tested and just get 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:14.720 a good check up. So sure enough, after seven months 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:17.240 of trying naturally with no luck, I went in, I 0:11:17.280 --> 0:11:20.800 got my hormones tested and I found out essentially they 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:24.599 were like rock bottom, and um, I was diagnosed with 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:28.440 something called diminished ovarian reserve, which just means you've limited 0:11:28.760 --> 0:11:33.720 eggs and limited ovarian function for a woman your age. So, um, 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:35.960 it was pretty clear from there forward, like Okay, here's 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:40.880 your options ivf or bust and uh so we said, okay, 0:11:40.920 --> 0:11:42.679 and we found a great doctor and we've been working 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:45.719 with her in California for a year now and we 0:11:45.760 --> 0:11:48.240 are in very good hands. Nice Um. And so you 0:11:48.240 --> 0:11:50.600 said you're kind of like coming up to towards the 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:54.560 next step in the process. Is that like intimidating, um 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:57.440 a little bit. I think, you know, we're very ready 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:01.600 to bring a new and venture bud into our life. Like, 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:05.440 that's what we're super excited about. What's intimidating is, you know, 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.400 just a little bit of the lifestyle changes that are 0:12:07.440 --> 0:12:10.959 going to happen at first. Um. You know, I think 0:12:10.960 --> 0:12:13.800 we're just like a little nervous about shifting gears a 0:12:13.800 --> 0:12:15.560 little bit. But everyone we talked to you is like, 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.840 don't be scared. You know, your kids get they just 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.400 are in addition to your life. Your life doesn't have 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.280 to stop because you have kids. So I think we're 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.720 really ready, and especially since we've had our mind in 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:31.679 the game for two years now, we're ready. Yeah. I 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:33.880 like that you guys are doing the whole baby before 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.400 the wedding thing too. You know, I think a lot 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:38.080 of people would be like scared to do that for 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:41.040 whatever reason. But I don't know, I just like, yeah, 0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:43.440 break in some social norms. I don't know. We're just 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:49.040 we're both pretty like like, weddings are great and they're beautiful, 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:51.400 and we go to tons of weddings and hopefully someday 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:54.520 we'll have one. But for us, honestly, we're like, we'll 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:57.679 probably just doing like an adventure elopement or something and 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.280 have a big party with all of our friends. We're 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:01.880 just a little different like that, No, I mean, I'm 0:13:01.920 --> 0:13:03.679 kind of well, Caitlin and I are the same way too. 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:05.400 Obviously we're not even engaged or anything like that, but 0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:07.000 we talked about like what our wedding would look like 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.160 and everything, and every time that gets brought up, I'm 0:13:09.160 --> 0:13:11.200 always like, I don't like want more than ten people there, 0:13:11.240 --> 0:13:13.839 like maybe ten people is even a lot in my opinion, uh, 0:13:13.840 --> 0:13:16.200 and like definitely small, like you know, like a litlement 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.800 type thing. So I'm all on board with that idea too. 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.640 Um what does she think? She's on board with it too? 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.840 She is very much in the same vein as I, 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.719 which is good. I like because even like I went 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:29.640 to a wedding a couple of months ago and there 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.439 was like six hundred people there, and the groom had 0:13:32.480 --> 0:13:35.400 like thirteen groomsmen, and the bride had like ten bridesmaids. 0:13:35.440 --> 0:13:36.760 And I was looking around and I was like, this, 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.240 it would be the most stressful day for like, like, 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:40.840 how do you enjoy it? When I would be worried 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.720 about everyone else there and like I can't even say 0:13:43.800 --> 0:13:46.560 hi to everyone. It's yeah, I don't know, it's tough, 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:48.959 but six hundred people, that's like the biggest wedding I've 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.840 ever heard. I could be I could be a way 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.640 over exaggerating, but I honestly feel like I'm under exaggerating. 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.520 It was like, it felt like it was crazy. But um, 0:13:57.559 --> 0:13:58.760 that's good. You guys are and you guys are on 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.280 the same page of that as well. You and Dylan. Yeah, 0:14:01.760 --> 0:14:04.400 yeah very much. So. Um, you said, Dylan Brown, I 0:14:04.400 --> 0:14:05.920 went to high school with a guy nam Dylan Brown. 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:07.520 But I know it's not the same one. I was 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.560 just I was hoping that it was, but obviously it's not. Yeah, no, 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.679 it's probably not, But I mean it's a pretty Brown 0:14:12.800 --> 0:14:15.680 is a pretty common last name. That's true. But Dylan, 0:14:16.440 --> 0:14:20.120 why come on, do I l a n Yeah? I know. 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:22.160 If only he knew we were talking about him this 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:27.280 much right now? Does he get like camera shy? Oh? 0:14:27.440 --> 0:14:30.960 Very yeah. He like he's used to being behind nick camera. Um, 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:33.640 he's getting better, but especially with the whole Bachelor thing, 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:37.840 it's so foreign to him. He'd never seen the show. Um, 0:14:37.880 --> 0:14:41.400 so he gets a little like about all that. I'm 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.520 the same way with Kylin. I'm always like She's always like, 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:44.800 take a picture with me, and I was like, I'll 0:14:44.800 --> 0:14:46.920 take a picture of you gladly, But I don't want 0:14:46.920 --> 0:14:48.400 to be in the picture or like on the video 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:52.280 or anything like that. Um, I want to. I want well, 0:14:52.320 --> 0:14:54.760 I want to bring Kaylen to Carbondale and I have 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.200 us all hang out, and I really want you have to. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:59.080 I really want you to rub off on her because 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:01.840 she's all on board, like with all the adventuring and 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.800 the hiking and the climbing and the rafting and all 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.160 that stuff. But she gets a little in her head 0:15:06.200 --> 0:15:09.320 and like scared sometimes. And I think if she sat 0:15:09.360 --> 0:15:10.880 down with you or like, you know, if we went 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:13.600 out and did something together and she saw you doing 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:15.520 that stuff, I think it would really help her confidence. 0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:18.160 Oh my gosh, I don't know it could it could 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.520 go both ways, but I would love that anytime you 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.600 guys want to come out. I have kind of developed 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:25.880 a little bit of a rope fear lately though, so 0:15:26.680 --> 0:15:29.000 I don't know, and we could probably encourage each other. 0:15:29.120 --> 0:15:30.640 I don't know what it was. I had a little 0:15:30.640 --> 0:15:33.240 bit of an experience and now I have like PTSD 0:15:33.960 --> 0:15:40.280 on ropes. What happened. We went repelling out in Utah, 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:45.080 middle of nowhere, UM, and we went with a group canyoneering, 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.120 and uh, we walked up to this I think it's 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:51.160 called a dead man anchor, where the anchors built around 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.000 a pile of rocks, so there's like no bolted in anchor, 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:58.600 and you repel off of that for listeners who aren't 0:15:58.640 --> 0:16:02.560 familiar with canyoneering or telling UM, and it can be 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:05.800 totally safe. It sounds dangerous, but it can be totally safe. 0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:08.880 There are ways to repel off like um, you know, 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.880 natural features safely. But it just so happened that a 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.320 girl had died, like literally died this is so horrible 0:16:17.800 --> 0:16:20.200 on that repel a year before, and so there was 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:24.320 this little memorial set to her at the anchor point 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:26.400 and I just kind of lost it. I was like, 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:29.760 I can't do it. I had a full on panic attack, um, 0:16:29.840 --> 0:16:32.000 and had to like walk myself out of the canyon, 0:16:32.040 --> 0:16:34.600 which I'm very fortunate was like at the beginning of 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:36.800 the canyon, because sometimes you know, if if you're too 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:40.720 far in, you can't you can't walk out. Um. So 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:42.400 I had a little bit of a panic attack, went 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:45.240 back to the truck by myself, and just ever since then, 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:48.680 I'm like, I don't know if I can lean back, 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.640 which is crazy because repelling and canyoneering was kind of 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.880 my thing. And so what do you think it was? 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:55.400 Do you think it was just like the thought of 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:59.480 everything that had happened there. Yeah, I think just like 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.879 I don't know the fear of falling obviously, but I 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:08.880 have been struggling with more anxiety lately, um, the last 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.080 couple of years in life, and so I think it 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:16.919 just got really activated, you know. Yeah, I know, you know, 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:21.080 rope sports can be very safe if done well and 0:17:21.080 --> 0:17:23.560 and properly, and so I know, I just need to 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:25.399 kind of get back out there right. Once you do 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:26.960 it the first time again, you're gonna be like, what 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.119 am I doing? I'm crazy for being Yeah, So Calin 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:32.400 and I can like we can be there for each 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.080 other I would love to see Kylin try to repel 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:36.959 down something, because all the climbing we've done, I've just 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:41.359 basically lowered her from the ground. Uh it's repelling, is 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:43.359 I mean it's scary, especially like the first couple of 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:44.800 times you do it, just like leaning all the way 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.560 back and trusting everything, and then like then you're just 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.359 hanging there or whatever. Um. I remember one time we 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.960 climbed the Grand Teton and on one of the wraps 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.640 down the way, you know, it's like a big hanging 0:17:54.680 --> 0:17:58.399 repel all the whole way down. And I climbed with 0:17:58.440 --> 0:18:00.879 both my brothers. One of them is like uper experienced climber, 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.800 like you know, he was basically the lead of the group. 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:06.240 And then my other brother, who's also good at climbing, 0:18:06.760 --> 0:18:10.000 had just never repelled before. And he's my older brother, 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:11.600 and so he's this guy who have always seen is 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.160 like the strong figure, strong, brave, you know, all these things, 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:17.680 and then he goes to repel and he's like he's 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:19.719 like shaken, and he like doesn't know what to do 0:18:19.840 --> 0:18:21.840 and he's all scared, and I'm like, Ross, I've never 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:23.760 seen you like this before. And it's all just because 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.600 he was wrapping down, you know, a hundred foot cliff, 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.800 which is scary for sure, but I mean it's just 0:18:27.840 --> 0:18:30.600 like it's just a really heavy experience. I think it 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:33.560 really is totally. And and then once you do the 0:18:33.600 --> 0:18:35.440 first one, like you said, you kind of like get 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.840 in the flow and you're like, oh this is amazing 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:42.000 and you're waitless and it's a whole but yeah, just 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:46.320 taking that first step back backwards is yeah, definitely, we were, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.920 I thought. So we were climbing also like last month 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:51.840 in Wyoming, and we were pulling the rope down from 0:18:51.840 --> 0:18:53.480 our It was like a multi pitch, so we were 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:55.560 pulling our rope down and the rope got snagged and 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.240 we yanked it really hard to get it unsnagged, and 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.720 uh kick some raw is free. So there's like rocks 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.400 falling down on top of us, and one of them, 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:05.919 a rock the size of my fist, probably ended up 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:08.000 hitting me in my stomach. And I was like, I've 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.040 never I've always been like told to keep your eyes 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.800 up and like make sure no rocks are falling on you. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:13.920 It was my first experience ever, and I think next 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:15.520 time I go climbing, I'm gonna be like kind of 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.120 uh you know, scared of that a little bit too, 0:19:18.200 --> 0:19:20.760 But yeah, I don't know. So what do you and 0:19:20.840 --> 0:19:23.880 Caitlin have any big adventure plans for this summer? Um? 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.360 We are going to Mexico City for her birthday. We're 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.480 gonna spend like a week down there, And I mean, 0:19:30.520 --> 0:19:35.320 honestly not really. I I like feel, uh like we've 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:37.560