Speaker 1: How I Suck at Dating with Denunglert and Jared Haven
Speaker 1: and I heard radio podcast What's going on? Everyone? Welcome
Speaker 1: to help I suck at dating. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on this very special episode this week
Speaker 1: because it's a special episode, let me tell you, because
Speaker 1: Jared's not here, and it's always special when Jared's not
Speaker 1: here because we have no idea what's going to happen. Um,
Speaker 1: but we have Sarah Harron joining us. Sarah, say hi
Speaker 1: to everyone. That's great Sarah's I'm sure all the listeners
Speaker 1: out there. No, she was from. I honestly don't know
Speaker 1: what season of The Bachelor y're from, but I do
Speaker 1: know you were from Paradise. Yeah. So I was on
Speaker 1: Shawn Lowe's season of The Bachelor season seventeen, a long
Speaker 1: time ago. I think we're coming up on like the
Speaker 1: Tenure Anniversary and then Bachelor in Paradise one, O G
Speaker 1: and Bachelor in Paradise three. Nice. Which of those did
Speaker 1: you enjoy more? Like? Would you have a better experience on?
Speaker 1: They were all great? I mean I had amazing and
Speaker 1: different experiences on all of them, but I think Bachelor
Speaker 1: in Paradise one was probably the most enjoyable because it
Speaker 1: was a new experience, it was familiar faces. You start
Speaker 1: to feel a little bit more comfortable in the environment
Speaker 1: and like the run of show. And yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Paradise one was probably more fun. But the Bachelor with
Speaker 1: Sean and all those original cast, I mean that was
Speaker 1: like life changing. Yeah, definitely life changing. I heard that
Speaker 1: wasn't a season one of Bachelor in Paradise filmed in
Speaker 1: like a different location and then you guys had like
Speaker 1: awful weather for a couple of days or like weeks
Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, it was filmed into Loom and it
Speaker 1: was at a beautiful property, but I think just the
Speaker 1: time of year down there, it wasn't ideal. So we
Speaker 1: had really bad weather and it was storming every day.
Speaker 1: So I think they shifted everything to Do you ever
Speaker 1: feel weird talking about The Bachelor now? Because I mean
Speaker 1: I I certainly do. Where it's like like you were
Speaker 1: just saying your ten year anniversaries coming up, and um,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, like, do you ever feel like
Speaker 1: that's a long time ago, so let's not talk about
Speaker 1: that anymore. I think it kind depends on who I'm
Speaker 1: talking to. Um, you know, if it's like close friends.
Speaker 1: I don't mind, but it starts to feel odd, like
Speaker 1: I have friends from this chapter of life who are like, oh,
Speaker 1: I binge watched Bachelor in Paradise. I can't believe, you know,
Speaker 1: And they don't know me in that context today, and
Speaker 1: so it's just kind of like a mind trip. You're like,
Speaker 1: take it with a grade of salt, Like I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's a different season of life, and it's just kind
Speaker 1: of odd. But I think my biggest gripe with the
Speaker 1: whole thing is I just don't like how it sometimes
Speaker 1: makes it. It feels like it's like defining me, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like, well, when that's all people
Speaker 1: want to talk about, I'm like, there's a lot more
Speaker 1: to me than just the fact that I was on
Speaker 1: these TV shows. But um, it gets Yeah. I see
Speaker 1: your point though, especially when like you meet someone and
Speaker 1: they watch your show and you're like, Okay, well let's
Speaker 1: let's let's take that with a grain of salt. Like
Speaker 1: you said, you know, I know, but I want to
Speaker 1: talk more about you. So we haven't really I think
Speaker 1: this is our first time maybe even ever meeting, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: and I actually have a lot to talk to you
Speaker 1: about because I don't think you know, or maybe you
Speaker 1: know that I live in Carbondale, Colorado. Yes, Um, I've
Speaker 1: lived here for about five years now. I think I'm
Speaker 1: coming up on my five year anniversary. But I grew
Speaker 1: up in Evergreen over the Front Range, and then I
Speaker 1: met my now fiance who lives in Carbondale. He grew
Speaker 1: up in Glenwood, and um, I moved back from l
Speaker 1: A to live in Carbondale with him. That's amazing and
Speaker 1: for the listeners, So for listeners, I grew up in Basalt,
Speaker 1: which is basically the next town down from Carbondale. I
Speaker 1: guess up, depending on which way you're looking at it.
Speaker 1: Super small, super small town area. Though that's incredible. I
Speaker 1: wonder I'm sure we probably know a lot of the
Speaker 1: same people then, because well, yeah, so yes we do. Um,
Speaker 1: I mean nothing like I don't know any of your friends. Really.
Speaker 1: I think I've maybe met a few people in town
Speaker 1: who like you grew up with and stuff, and I'll
Speaker 1: always be like, oh, do you know Dean, But um,
Speaker 1: actually I don't know if you hopefully remember Randy Scott
Speaker 1: Hunter Scott's before, Um, Randy is essentially like my uncle.
Speaker 1: He's he's actually my dad's he's my dad's roommate of
Speaker 1: all things. They've been friends for like forty years. And
Speaker 1: when my dad went through a divorce two years ago,
Speaker 1: my dad and Randy got a place together. Wow, Randy
Speaker 1: Scott that name in a while, So so yeah, Randy
Speaker 1: was my best friend Hunter's dad, and Hunter obviously tragically
Speaker 1: died when I was ten years old, eleven years old.
Speaker 1: And what's funny actually about Randy is um, I was
Speaker 1: like on Facebook the other day for some reason, just
Speaker 1: like going through old messages, and I had a message
Speaker 1: from Randy Scott that I had already been read and everything,
Speaker 1: and he it was about my first sin, fun Paradise,
Speaker 1: when I made a complete fool out of myself. He
Speaker 1: messaged me on Facebook and he goes, Dean, what the
Speaker 1: hell are you doing? Get your together? You've got the
Speaker 1: world at your hand, at your feet or something like that,
Speaker 1: and you're making a mockery of it all, like make
Speaker 1: your make us look good or something. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't talked to him at all lately, but he's
Speaker 1: a good guy. That's so. That's so funny that he's
Speaker 1: so close to you. Yeah, I hope it's okay. I'll
Speaker 1: tell him you say hello. Oh my gosh, of course
Speaker 1: I miss I mean, yeah, I see Randy like every
Speaker 1: day because they live in Emma. They live in Basalt still,
Speaker 1: so um, I see them all the time. I can't believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a really small world. And I've met your dad
Speaker 1: and you're I think she is she your step mom,
Speaker 1: your dad's girlfriend. I think they are married. Yeah. How
Speaker 1: did those interactions with my dad go? Just curious? Um?
Speaker 1: I mean I think I remember being like, I kind
Speaker 1: of know your son, but we've never met. Were from Paradise,
Speaker 1: and it was, um, not really who's just kind of like, oh,
Speaker 1: not really engaged, but um because they own the little
Speaker 1: like co op grocery store in town and it was
Speaker 1: right out right near my house, so I go there
Speaker 1: all the time. But now we're just we say hi
Speaker 1: and that's it. That's so funny. Well, for the record,
Speaker 1: him and I don't get along still. Uh And it
Speaker 1: actually kind of infuriates me a little bit too, not
Speaker 1: like so much that, but so my brother us had
Speaker 1: a baby to three month little baby now and my
Speaker 1: dad still haven't reached out to my brother and like
Speaker 1: congratulated him or said anything about that. So I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: it's just I mean, it's fine. It's just as I'm
Speaker 1: annoyed for like my brother to not like he's his
Speaker 1: first grandkid, you know, and he's not even trying to
Speaker 1: at least congratulate my brother on anything. But anyway, that's
Speaker 1: neither here nor there. But that's so sorry. We don't
Speaker 1: need to get into strained family. You're fine. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'll talk about anything. I'm an open book when it
Speaker 1: comes to that stuff as well. But I just don't
Speaker 1: want us to get derailed from our from our totally
Speaker 1: from our episode. I guess, so you live in Carbondale
Speaker 1: with your fiance. What's your fiance? His name? His name
Speaker 1: is Dylan Brown, Um, and he's a photographer. I don't
Speaker 1: He and I are a couple of years older than
Speaker 1: you were thirty five, so I don't know if, um,
Speaker 1: you would have had any overlap growing up in the
Speaker 1: valley too. He graduated high school probably oh five, I guess, Yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: I was oh nine, so he probably like got out
Speaker 1: right before. And granted it was different high school all
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, But yeah, how did you guys meet?
Speaker 1: We met? Actually because so I was living in l
Speaker 1: A and I had just started my nonprofit she lived,
Speaker 1: and I was looking to hire a photographer slash videographer
Speaker 1: to document one of our first events, and it was
Speaker 1: being held in Aspen, so I was looking for local
Speaker 1: UH crew and he came as the referral and we
Speaker 1: hung out and he attended the retreat and helped all
Speaker 1: of the girls. Um. Just for a little background, the
Speaker 1: nonprofit helps young women with disabilities learned confidence through skiing
Speaker 1: and hiking and rock climbing and outdoor recreation. And so
Speaker 1: once I saw Dylan spending time with all these girls
Speaker 1: and being really thoughtful and considerate and patient with all
Speaker 1: their needs and just friendly, UM, an attraction grew and
Speaker 1: I fell in love with them. And now we're engaged, engaged,
Speaker 1: and you've been engaged for like a year, I think, right,
Speaker 1: one year? Yeah, exactly. How did he pop the question?
Speaker 1: On the Roaring Fork River. We're big, we're river rats,
Speaker 1: and so we I love rafting, and he arranged an
Speaker 1: afternoon to go rafting and did it right under this
Speaker 1: epic view of Mount sop Rust Again, for everyone listening,
Speaker 1: I know this is you don't know where this is,
Speaker 1: but it's like where demon I I spent a lot,
Speaker 1: have spent a lot of time, and so it's right
Speaker 1: under my favorite mountain on the river and with my
Speaker 1: friends and some champagne and it was perfect. It's just
Speaker 1: so I love that you live in Carbone because I
Speaker 1: love that we can, you know, bond over the fact
Speaker 1: that you of all the little spots you're talking about. Um,
Speaker 1: I know, and I've been waiting, like for so long
Speaker 1: because I've known this for like years, but obviously we
Speaker 1: haven't really overlapped. And um, and then like there's just
Speaker 1: so many similarities I feel like between you and Kalin
Speaker 1: and me and Dylan, And like when I met Dylan,
Speaker 1: I was the l a girl that kind of had
Speaker 1: to step out of my comfort zone and learn how
Speaker 1: to go camping and traveling, and Dylan got me into
Speaker 1: climbing and repelling. And I see like so many similarities. Um.
Speaker 1: So I've always wanted to talk to you, and God,
Speaker 1: we finally have the chance. I know. I'm excited too,
Speaker 1: and I'm ex super excited for your engagement as well.
Speaker 1: Do you guys have a wedding date plans? We don't.
Speaker 1: We don't have a date yet because we have been
Speaker 1: going through IVF treatment UM for a little over a year,
Speaker 1: so that kind of we like put the cart before
Speaker 1: the horse a little bit in that sense. And we
Speaker 1: tried to start a family before we got engaged, so
Speaker 1: that's taken a little bit of the priority. It's tough
Speaker 1: to plan a wedding when you're not really sure what's
Speaker 1: going on with pregnancy, and I you've been pretty open
Speaker 1: about the IVF process, right, how has that been? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been. Uh. I mean, like every challenge or struggle
Speaker 1: that I seem to encounter, I'm very fortunate to find
Speaker 1: an amazing community through it. So infertility is extremely challenging
Speaker 1: and difficult, and it's something that so many families, women
Speaker 1: and men deal with, um, you know, in private, they
Speaker 1: keep it to themselves. And this is where I'm so
Speaker 1: fortunate to have the platform that I have because I've
Speaker 1: been able to connect with women everywhere through this. So
Speaker 1: it's been a really hard, long journey, but I feel
Speaker 1: grateful to have, you know, an amazing doctor and an
Speaker 1: amazing support group out of everyone online and in person.
Speaker 1: And so I'm hopeful. I'm optimistic we finally have enough
Speaker 1: of our embryos frozen on ice that we're going to
Speaker 1: move forward with starting to like implant and transfer more embryos.
Speaker 1: So fingers crossed fingers for you to thank you in
Speaker 1: your journey with all this IVF stuff. How did you
Speaker 1: even find out that it was something that you needed
Speaker 1: to do? Um? Well, essentially, Dylan and I one day
Speaker 1: just kind of decided we were ready to start having kids.
Speaker 1: We were like, we have so much fun. Wouldn't it
Speaker 1: be so cool to like bring a kid on these
Speaker 1: adventures that we love doing. And so we started trying
Speaker 1: natural early and I knew, you know, I was thirty three,
Speaker 1: So I was like, Okay, I need to be a
Speaker 1: little bit aware that doctors say you should try for
Speaker 1: six months, um and if you have no luck to
Speaker 1: go in and get your hormones tested and just get
Speaker 1: a good check up. So sure enough, after seven months
Speaker 1: of trying naturally with no luck, I went in, I
Speaker 1: got my hormones tested and I found out essentially they
Speaker 1: were like rock bottom, and um, I was diagnosed with
Speaker 1: something called diminished ovarian reserve, which just means you've limited
Speaker 1: eggs and limited ovarian function for a woman your age. So, um,
Speaker 1: it was pretty clear from there forward, like Okay, here's
Speaker 1: your options ivf or bust and uh so we said, okay,
Speaker 1: and we found a great doctor and we've been working
Speaker 1: with her in California for a year now and we
Speaker 1: are in very good hands. Nice Um. And so you
Speaker 1: said you're kind of like coming up to towards the
Speaker 1: next step in the process. Is that like intimidating, um
Speaker 1: a little bit. I think, you know, we're very ready
Speaker 1: to bring a new and venture bud into our life. Like,
Speaker 1: that's what we're super excited about. What's intimidating is, you know,
Speaker 1: just a little bit of the lifestyle changes that are
Speaker 1: going to happen at first. Um. You know, I think
Speaker 1: we're just like a little nervous about shifting gears a
Speaker 1: little bit. But everyone we talked to you is like,
Speaker 1: don't be scared. You know, your kids get they just
Speaker 1: are in addition to your life. Your life doesn't have
Speaker 1: to stop because you have kids. So I think we're
Speaker 1: really ready, and especially since we've had our mind in
Speaker 1: the game for two years now, we're ready. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: like that you guys are doing the whole baby before
Speaker 1: the wedding thing too. You know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people would be like scared to do that for
Speaker 1: whatever reason. But I don't know, I just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: break in some social norms. I don't know. We're just
Speaker 1: we're both pretty like like, weddings are great and they're beautiful,
Speaker 1: and we go to tons of weddings and hopefully someday
Speaker 1: we'll have one. But for us, honestly, we're like, we'll
Speaker 1: probably just doing like an adventure elopement or something and
Speaker 1: have a big party with all of our friends. We're
Speaker 1: just a little different like that, No, I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: kind of well, Caitlin and I are the same way too.
Speaker 1: Obviously we're not even engaged or anything like that, but
Speaker 1: we talked about like what our wedding would look like
Speaker 1: and everything, and every time that gets brought up, I'm
Speaker 1: always like, I don't like want more than ten people there,
Speaker 1: like maybe ten people is even a lot in my opinion, uh,
Speaker 1: and like definitely small, like you know, like a litlement
Speaker 1: type thing. So I'm all on board with that idea too.
Speaker 1: Um what does she think? She's on board with it too?
Speaker 1: She is very much in the same vein as I,
Speaker 1: which is good. I like because even like I went
Speaker 1: to a wedding a couple of months ago and there
Speaker 1: was like six hundred people there, and the groom had
Speaker 1: like thirteen groomsmen, and the bride had like ten bridesmaids.
Speaker 1: And I was looking around and I was like, this,
Speaker 1: it would be the most stressful day for like, like,
Speaker 1: how do you enjoy it? When I would be worried
Speaker 1: about everyone else there and like I can't even say
Speaker 1: hi to everyone. It's yeah, I don't know, it's tough,
Speaker 1: but six hundred people, that's like the biggest wedding I've
Speaker 1: ever heard. I could be I could be a way
Speaker 1: over exaggerating, but I honestly feel like I'm under exaggerating.
Speaker 1: It was like, it felt like it was crazy. But um,
Speaker 1: that's good. You guys are and you guys are on
Speaker 1: the same page of that as well. You and Dylan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah very much. So. Um, you said, Dylan Brown, I
Speaker 1: went to high school with a guy nam Dylan Brown.
Speaker 1: But I know it's not the same one. I was
Speaker 1: just I was hoping that it was, but obviously it's not. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's probably not, But I mean it's a pretty Brown
Speaker 1: is a pretty common last name. That's true. But Dylan,
Speaker 1: why come on, do I l a n Yeah? I know.
Speaker 1: If only he knew we were talking about him this
Speaker 1: much right now? Does he get like camera shy? Oh?
Speaker 1: Very yeah. He like he's used to being behind nick camera. Um,
Speaker 1: he's getting better, but especially with the whole Bachelor thing,
Speaker 1: it's so foreign to him. He'd never seen the show. Um,
Speaker 1: so he gets a little like about all that. I'm
Speaker 1: the same way with Kylin. I'm always like She's always like,
Speaker 1: take a picture with me, and I was like, I'll
Speaker 1: take a picture of you gladly, But I don't want
Speaker 1: to be in the picture or like on the video
Speaker 1: or anything like that. Um, I want to. I want well,
Speaker 1: I want to bring Kaylen to Carbondale and I have
Speaker 1: us all hang out, and I really want you have to.
Speaker 1: I really want you to rub off on her because
Speaker 1: she's all on board, like with all the adventuring and
Speaker 1: the hiking and the climbing and the rafting and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. But she gets a little in her head
Speaker 1: and like scared sometimes. And I think if she sat
Speaker 1: down with you or like, you know, if we went
Speaker 1: out and did something together and she saw you doing
Speaker 1: that stuff, I think it would really help her confidence.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I don't know it could it could
Speaker 1: go both ways, but I would love that anytime you
Speaker 1: guys want to come out. I have kind of developed
Speaker 1: a little bit of a rope fear lately though, so
Speaker 1: I don't know, and we could probably encourage each other.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was. I had a little
Speaker 1: bit of an experience and now I have like PTSD
Speaker 1: on ropes. What happened. We went repelling out in Utah,
Speaker 1: middle of nowhere, UM, and we went with a group canyoneering,
Speaker 1: and uh, we walked up to this I think it's
Speaker 1: called a dead man anchor, where the anchors built around
Speaker 1: a pile of rocks, so there's like no bolted in anchor,
Speaker 1: and you repel off of that for listeners who aren't
Speaker 1: familiar with canyoneering or telling UM, and it can be
Speaker 1: totally safe. It sounds dangerous, but it can be totally safe.
Speaker 1: There are ways to repel off like um, you know,
Speaker 1: natural features safely. But it just so happened that a
Speaker 1: girl had died, like literally died this is so horrible
Speaker 1: on that repel a year before, and so there was
Speaker 1: this little memorial set to her at the anchor point
Speaker 1: and I just kind of lost it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't do it. I had a full on panic attack, um,
Speaker 1: and had to like walk myself out of the canyon,
Speaker 1: which I'm very fortunate was like at the beginning of
Speaker 1: the canyon, because sometimes you know, if if you're too
Speaker 1: far in, you can't you can't walk out. Um. So
Speaker 1: I had a little bit of a panic attack, went
Speaker 1: back to the truck by myself, and just ever since then,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know if I can lean back,
Speaker 1: which is crazy because repelling and canyoneering was kind of
Speaker 1: my thing. And so what do you think it was?
Speaker 1: Do you think it was just like the thought of
Speaker 1: everything that had happened there. Yeah, I think just like
Speaker 1: I don't know the fear of falling obviously, but I
Speaker 1: have been struggling with more anxiety lately, um, the last
Speaker 1: couple of years in life, and so I think it
Speaker 1: just got really activated, you know. Yeah, I know, you know,
Speaker 1: rope sports can be very safe if done well and
Speaker 1: and properly, and so I know, I just need to
Speaker 1: kind of get back out there right. Once you do
Speaker 1: it the first time again, you're gonna be like, what
Speaker 1: am I doing? I'm crazy for being Yeah, So Calin
Speaker 1: and I can like we can be there for each
Speaker 1: other I would love to see Kylin try to repel
Speaker 1: down something, because all the climbing we've done, I've just
Speaker 1: basically lowered her from the ground. Uh it's repelling, is
Speaker 1: I mean it's scary, especially like the first couple of
Speaker 1: times you do it, just like leaning all the way
Speaker 1: back and trusting everything, and then like then you're just
Speaker 1: hanging there or whatever. Um. I remember one time we
Speaker 1: climbed the Grand Teton and on one of the wraps
Speaker 1: down the way, you know, it's like a big hanging
Speaker 1: repel all the whole way down. And I climbed with
Speaker 1: both my brothers. One of them is like uper experienced climber,
Speaker 1: like you know, he was basically the lead of the group.
Speaker 1: And then my other brother, who's also good at climbing,
Speaker 1: had just never repelled before. And he's my older brother,
Speaker 1: and so he's this guy who have always seen is
Speaker 1: like the strong figure, strong, brave, you know, all these things,
Speaker 1: and then he goes to repel and he's like he's
Speaker 1: like shaken, and he like doesn't know what to do
Speaker 1: and he's all scared, and I'm like, Ross, I've never
Speaker 1: seen you like this before. And it's all just because
Speaker 1: he was wrapping down, you know, a hundred foot cliff,
Speaker 1: which is scary for sure, but I mean it's just
Speaker 1: like it's just a really heavy experience. I think it
Speaker 1: really is totally. And and then once you do the
Speaker 1: first one, like you said, you kind of like get
Speaker 1: in the flow and you're like, oh this is amazing
Speaker 1: and you're waitless and it's a whole but yeah, just
Speaker 1: taking that first step back backwards is yeah, definitely, we were,
Speaker 1: I thought. So we were climbing also like last month
Speaker 1: in Wyoming, and we were pulling the rope down from
Speaker 1: our It was like a multi pitch, so we were
Speaker 1: pulling our rope down and the rope got snagged and
Speaker 1: we yanked it really hard to get it unsnagged, and
Speaker 1: uh kick some raw is free. So there's like rocks
Speaker 1: falling down on top of us, and one of them,
Speaker 1: a rock the size of my fist, probably ended up
Speaker 1: hitting me in my stomach. And I was like, I've
Speaker 1: never I've always been like told to keep your eyes
Speaker 1: up and like make sure no rocks are falling on you.
Speaker 1: It was my first experience ever, and I think next
Speaker 1: time I go climbing, I'm gonna be like kind of
Speaker 1: uh you know, scared of that a little bit too,
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know. So what do you and
Speaker 1: Caitlin have any big adventure plans for this summer? Um?
Speaker 1: We are going to Mexico City for her birthday. We're
Speaker 1: gonna spend like a week down there, And I mean,
Speaker 1: honestly not really. I I like feel, uh like we've
Speaker 1: kind of hit a rut in terms of like our traveling,
Speaker 1: but we just like to don't really have anything crazy
Speaker 1: on the horizon. I'm doing, Uh, I'm doing a solo
Speaker 1: trip to Pakistan in August. That's like my next big
Speaker 1: hiking excursion, um, but which would be really fun. We're
Speaker 1: going to We're not climbing K two obviously unfortunately, but
Speaker 1: we're going to like one of the only remote viewpoints
Speaker 1: of it. So it's like a three week backpacking trip,
Speaker 1: which should be fun. Wow. Yeah, it's like that's what
Speaker 1: I have to look forward to. Now, what about you guys?
Speaker 1: You and Dylan, do you guys have anything on the
Speaker 1: We're kind of the same. It kind of like slowed down,
Speaker 1: especially as we're going through IVF because we just had
Speaker 1: to like orient our lives around doctor's appointments so much.
Speaker 1: But we just got back from driving the Baja, so
Speaker 1: we drove all the way Colorado to Cabo and back.
Speaker 1: It was amazing. Have you done it? I have done it.
Speaker 1: I hated it. Yeah, you hated it? Why well, so
Speaker 1: the first time, because the Baja is definitely the way
Speaker 1: to do at the Baja coast is beautiful for the
Speaker 1: way down, because I drove to Saulita and the way
Speaker 1: down I drove like mainland Mexico and on the map
Speaker 1: it looks like it's next to the ocean the whole time,
Speaker 1: but in reality it's like, you know, a hundred yards inland,
Speaker 1: and so it just doesn't pretty. And it was with
Speaker 1: my I did it with my buddy, and we got
Speaker 1: pulled over a bunch of times, and like how to
Speaker 1: give the cops a bunch of bribes and stuff. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't ideal, but it was. It was a mess.
Speaker 1: But then I got my van shipped from Sayalita to
Speaker 1: Cabo on like a ferry, and then I drove and
Speaker 1: I drove Cobbo back up to Los Angeles, which I
Speaker 1: think is that it was way more enjoyable of an experience.
Speaker 1: Did you drive up the Sea of Cortez side or
Speaker 1: the Pacific side. I kind of did both. I can't
Speaker 1: remember looking for it. Yeah, it kind of like had
Speaker 1: me pouncing back between. But why did you guys do that?
Speaker 1: Just for fun? Yeah, we had a wedding down in
Speaker 1: Toto Santo since and uh, we've always wanted to do it,
Speaker 1: so we just we're like, Okay, April is like the
Speaker 1: time to do it. Let's do it. And it took
Speaker 1: about three and a half weeks. I flew down, I
Speaker 1: should be I should disclose that Dylan drove down. I
Speaker 1: flowed I flew down and drove back with him. Um,
Speaker 1: so it was three and a half weeks ish and
Speaker 1: it was incredible. Um, why did you fly? How come
Speaker 1: you didn't want to go both ways with them? I
Speaker 1: didn't really get the invite. He he went with one
Speaker 1: of his childhood best friends and they just wanted to
Speaker 1: surf the whole way down and then on the way
Speaker 1: back up because I don't surf, I paddle board, and
Speaker 1: so we knew like on the way back up we'd
Speaker 1: spend more time doing the Sea of Cortez side and
Speaker 1: paddle boarding and just doing a little bit more of
Speaker 1: a chill drive back. Nice. Yeah, I'm not much of
Speaker 1: a surfer either, which I think if you're going to
Speaker 1: do that drive, it definitely pays to be a surfer. Um,
Speaker 1: And did you guys like car camp or how did
Speaker 1: you like where did you guys stay at night? We did?
Speaker 1: You have to go look at my instagram because we
Speaker 1: got and we got this sick um wedge top camper
Speaker 1: on top of our pickup. We just slept in there
Speaker 1: and it was the temperatures were perfect. If anyone's considering
Speaker 1: doing it, April was a great time to go because
Speaker 1: it gets really cool at night and it gets really
Speaker 1: hot during the day, so it was like the perfect
Speaker 1: time of year. Yeah, that's nice. I did. We did
Speaker 1: it in June and my van doesn't have air conditioning
Speaker 1: and it was very very warm. Oh yeah, but it
Speaker 1: wasn't so bad. It's like like you said, at nighttime,
Speaker 1: it always gets like cold enough, except for maybe a
Speaker 1: couple of nights where it's not so bad. And even
Speaker 1: in paradise, like you don't you didn't have air conditioning,
Speaker 1: You just had fans blown on your whole time. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I will never forget having that fan just like right
Speaker 1: in front of my face. Yeah, it was so muggy
Speaker 1: there it's a lot people. It's so funny it's called paradise,
Speaker 1: but in reality it's like it's hell because I, for one,
Speaker 1: also hate the waves. I know, like people always talk
Speaker 1: about like how waves like a soothing, calming sound, but
Speaker 1: like when you're stuck on the beach and you can't
Speaker 1: go anywhere and all you hear is every you know,
Speaker 1: eight seconds, you hear a wave crash. Yeah, I was
Speaker 1: like it was like water boarding me for the last
Speaker 1: couple of weeks. But same, I have to sleep with
Speaker 1: ear plugs because it's just like the waves. It gets
Speaker 1: too it's too loud sometimes too, it's just too much.
Speaker 1: But did you have the crab issue in Paradise? We like,
Speaker 1: it wasn't ever an issue, but there were definitely a
Speaker 1: lot of crabs. Oh, we had major issues. I think
Speaker 1: it because it was also like storm season ish or
Speaker 1: were on the tail of a hurricane or something, and
Speaker 1: so all the crabs were coming into the house and
Speaker 1: people's suitcases would be like full of crabs in the suitcases. Yes,
Speaker 1: in the suitcases. It was like we just got used
Speaker 1: to like open flipping your suitcase open and crabs crawling
Speaker 1: out roommates. That's pretty funny. Yeah. I definitely didn't experience
Speaker 1: that at all, but maybe other people for my seasons did. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got one more question for you. What was it? Oh,
Speaker 1: you were in a fit bit commercial, weren't you? Yes?
Speaker 1: Did you see it? Yeah? I did. I saw that.
Speaker 1: I was like, wait, that girl looks really familiar, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was wild. I they asked me to be in
Speaker 1: this fitbit commercial and I didn't know what the concept was. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's another repelling story. I didn't know what the concept was.
Speaker 1: And they flew me to Barcelona and they were like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know how to rock climb, right, And I was
Speaker 1: like yeah, sure, like enough, I'm like a five six
Speaker 1: seven climb and okay, perfect. And so we get there
Speaker 1: and we're out in the middle of nowhere in Barcelona
Speaker 1: was so epic and there are um no crew. We
Speaker 1: had like a safety day, a rehearsal day, and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so have you ever done a port allege. I've been
Speaker 1: in a port a ledge and I have not so
Speaker 1: free listening to portal ledges. When you see climbers sleeping
Speaker 1: on the side of a mountain in a tent, so
Speaker 1: like if you saw the movie Free Solo, they like
Speaker 1: sleep halfway up the mountain in these tents that are suspended.
Speaker 1: So I kind of started freaking out. But um, fortunately
Speaker 1: what you see in the commercial, I mean we were
Speaker 1: so everything was like bolted in and very secure, and
Speaker 1: it was I was kind of like faking it. But
Speaker 1: that was intense and that was a trip to be
Speaker 1: like climbing up that pitch. I don't know what it
Speaker 1: was rated, but the drones are like flying around you
Speaker 1: and it was pretty insane. That is insane. I've never
Speaker 1: been on a portal ledge either. I could imagine it
Speaker 1: being terrifying though. Yeah. Yeah, I I mean I can't
Speaker 1: say I would do it voluntarily again, right, And it's
Speaker 1: just crazy to think people like sleep on those things
Speaker 1: over like for multiple nights at a time. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Climbers are definitely a different breed. Well that's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember I saw I saw you on the commercial
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's I mean, it was just
Speaker 1: even amazing to see you on there. Yeah, how did
Speaker 1: you get in touch with them? It was just like
Speaker 1: three year management, I guess or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they reached out. It was kind of like a small
Speaker 1: world colliding. My background isn't advertising. When I was in
Speaker 1: l A, I worked agency side, and so the girl
Speaker 1: who was on like a fitbit brand, there was overlap
Speaker 1: at the agency we worked at, and so I think
Speaker 1: she remembered saying like, oh, this girl, Sarah Heir and
Speaker 1: I we had overlap at the agency. And then she
Speaker 1: went on the Bachelor, and she's a climber adventure so
Speaker 1: sick love. It all came together. Um, all right, well,
Speaker 1: we definitely I need to get to the next segment.
Speaker 1: I feel like I could talk all day with you
Speaker 1: about everything. Uh, and it's been it's been nice getting
Speaker 1: to the celebrity headlines to talk about well, trust me,
Speaker 1: all of the listeners of this podcast now, I hate
Speaker 1: the celebrity headlines. So we're gonna just skip right over
Speaker 1: those and we're gonna get to the email. But we're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna take a quick break and we'll be
Speaker 1: right back. All right, Welcome back. That was a quick
Speaker 1: quick break. Where do the emails now? And Eastern If
Speaker 1: you're out there listening from your sister's broom closet and
Speaker 1: you want to read these emails for us, we would
Speaker 1: really appreciate that. It would be my pleasure, Dean. This
Speaker 1: first one is from uh Jenna. When I got married,
Speaker 1: that's how we do it. We're professionals here. When I
Speaker 1: got married, everyone told me never go to sleep angry. Well,
Speaker 1: I found the exact opposite to be true. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: feel like it's good to step away from a heated
Speaker 1: conversation or disagreement and, you know, sleep on it. I
Speaker 1: would love to do your thoughts on this, which do
Speaker 1: you prefer sleep on it or talk it out before
Speaker 1: going to bed? I personally have found so many times
Speaker 1: where Kaylin and I get like a silly little argument
Speaker 1: near the end of the night. Uh, there's like no
Speaker 1: fixing it, and so the only thing we can do
Speaker 1: is go to sleep, and then we wake up in
Speaker 1: the morning and we're, you know, back to being goofy
Speaker 1: and silly. So I I personally am an advocate for
Speaker 1: sleeping on it when you're angry. What do you think, Sarah,
Speaker 1: um gosh, this is where Dylan and I do kind
Speaker 1: of like clash a little bit because I am I'm
Speaker 1: like someone that needs to talk about it, and that
Speaker 1: doesn't mean will necessarily reach a resolution, but I'm someone
Speaker 1: that's like I can't go to bed, we have to
Speaker 1: talk about it, whereas Dylan very much like to sleep
Speaker 1: on it, go for a walk, come back to it later.
Speaker 1: So I think it's just people have different communication styles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, And I mean, like the old adage of
Speaker 1: like never go to a bit angry, It's like, come on,
Speaker 1: that's pretty hard to do it. Never go to bit angry.
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone could ever possibly do that. And
Speaker 1: even if you do kind of resolve it, like I
Speaker 1: think both people still need time to decompress. Like you're
Speaker 1: not just going to be like, Okay, we're all good,
Speaker 1: let's go to sleep. Um. So yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: a little unrealistic. But someone like me with my I
Speaker 1: just like need to talk about you and I don't know,
Speaker 1: is it pretty pretty smooth sailing all the time for
Speaker 1: you guys? Um it's gotten a lot better in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. Yeah, and UM, we've like really,
Speaker 1: I mean, things happen, right, like every relationship your human
Speaker 1: arguments are going to happen, Disagreements are going to happen. Um.
Speaker 1: I think we're getting much better at learning each other's
Speaker 1: communication styles and um and working through things rather than
Speaker 1: just like getting heated and jumping to the conclusion of like,
Speaker 1: oh this like we're not meant for each other, we
Speaker 1: need to break up. You know. That was very early
Speaker 1: in our relationship, but well, I mean it definitely even
Speaker 1: with Kaylin and I too, and it's just been so
Speaker 1: tricky I feel like the past couple of years with
Speaker 1: the pandemic and quarantine, and it's like, of course you're
Speaker 1: going to be at each other's throat sometimes when you're
Speaker 1: just like constantly around that person. Um, So it's kind
Speaker 1: of the same for us to like once Kalen and
Speaker 1: I have started to figure each other as like things
Speaker 1: that make each other tick or like with the way
Speaker 1: we argue with each other, it's definitely it makes things
Speaker 1: a little bit easier. I guess yeah. I think the
Speaker 1: pandemic was good for that in that sense. It's like
Speaker 1: just expedited people's relationships and kind of stuff out exactly,
Speaker 1: kind of like it was like a make or break
Speaker 1: Like if you guys get through this, you're gonna be stronger.
Speaker 1: And if you don't get through it, then sure you're
Speaker 1: just going to be together. Um when did you When
Speaker 1: did you and Don't start dating? How long were you
Speaker 1: guys dating before you got engaged. Um, well, we had
Speaker 1: been dating for four years, like three four years before
Speaker 1: we got engaged. Three and a half years. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: long time. I mean, honestly, I think if he had
Speaker 1: his way, he's very untraditional, like, we probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: gotten engaged. But it was important to me, even though
Speaker 1: we know we're going to spend our lives with each other.
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly we're going through IVF together. So but
Speaker 1: I just kind of wanted like the formality of it,
Speaker 1: the traditional nous of it, and so he did it
Speaker 1: for me. I'm telling you that's okay to say. No,
Speaker 1: the similarities between you two and me and Calin are
Speaker 1: like so spot on because it's exactly the same for us.
Speaker 1: Like I think, I honestly think growing up in the
Speaker 1: valley in Glenwood, through Aspen, wherever you might have grown up,
Speaker 1: it's just like it Just I don't know, because all
Speaker 1: of my friends that I grew up with, like none
Speaker 1: of them are super keen on getting married right away
Speaker 1: and having kids when you're you know, twenty four or whatever. Um,
Speaker 1: and then yeah, so that's kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1: And then Calin is from Virginia, and so she's like
Speaker 1: way more old fashioned and traditional, and so she wanted
Speaker 1: to get married young. And so now obviously, h I
Speaker 1: will marry Caylin just because she wants to get married.
Speaker 1: But if I had it my way, just like Dylan would,
Speaker 1: I probably would be totally okay, just dating forever. Um yep,
Speaker 1: that's exactly exactly U. Yeah, and for better or for
Speaker 1: worse too. It's like, I don't think there's like a
Speaker 1: right answer in it, you know. And I think, at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, what made me just be
Speaker 1: like okay, Like I would be happy to marry you,
Speaker 1: Kalen is uh. I think it would make her a
Speaker 1: lot happier than not getting married would make me happier.
Speaker 1: So it's like I just it just didn't make sense
Speaker 1: not to give her the thing that she wanted, you know, right.
Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, it's not the most romantic thing.
Speaker 1: So much together, I love it. It's really cool, Like
Speaker 1: I mean, seeing your guys relationship evolve and grow and
Speaker 1: mature together has been has been really cool. And I
Speaker 1: don't know Klin. I've never talked to her, but like,
Speaker 1: please send her the message. I just think seeing her
Speaker 1: development and evolution has been really really just inspiring. She's
Speaker 1: an awesome lady. I love it. She's great. She's a Gemini,
Speaker 1: so she she picks up on things really quick. I
Speaker 1: guess that's what she always says. Yeah, nice, what are you?
Speaker 1: I'm an Aries? Okay, Aries January right, I don't know.
Speaker 1: April seventeenth is my birthday. I mean I don't know
Speaker 1: much about it either, and I don't conform to it.
Speaker 1: But whenever she says stuff like that, she always is like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm a Gemini, so that's why. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess I'll give it to you. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're gonna have to get you guys to
Speaker 1: get together at some point because, like I said, I
Speaker 1: think you Yeah, I think you guy would get along
Speaker 1: really well. Um, Eastern, what's the next email for us? Here?
Speaker 1: This next one is from Devon. I trust my boyfriend
Speaker 1: and would hope that he would never cheat on me.
Speaker 1: I have never looked at his phone or Instagram d
Speaker 1: M s because I do trust him. My best friend
Speaker 1: told me that most couples look at each other's phone
Speaker 1: pass or know each other's phone passwords, and do look
Speaker 1: at each other's messages. Is it okay that I don't
Speaker 1: have any desire to look through my boyfriend's phone. To me,
Speaker 1: if someone feels the need to look through their partner's phone,
Speaker 1: then that's a red flag. But my friend has me overthinking.
Speaker 1: I'll let you can handle this one first, sir. I
Speaker 1: think it's totally fine and normal if you don't have
Speaker 1: the urge to look at your partner's phone. Um, I
Speaker 1: never I don't look at Dylan's phone. I have the
Speaker 1: like finger print password things, so if I need to
Speaker 1: get into his phone, but I've never felt the need
Speaker 1: to like look at his d MS or text message
Speaker 1: is and I just trust him. So I think if
Speaker 1: you don't have that urge, that's great. It's a good
Speaker 1: good sign opinion. I agree, I feel like having the
Speaker 1: urge to look at your boyfriend's phone is bad. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like I've never once like needed to go through Calin's
Speaker 1: phone to like snoop or like see what was going on,
Speaker 1: and like I would dread the moment that I would
Speaker 1: have to do that. So yeah, like you know, I
Speaker 1: know Calin's passwords, she knows my password and has her
Speaker 1: face and everything set up on my phone, so it's like,
Speaker 1: I think it's good that you don't have the urge,
Speaker 1: because that just means I I only think. I think
Speaker 1: that the reason people get that urge to go through
Speaker 1: their partner's phone is because they feel guilty about having
Speaker 1: done something themselves, and so they're like projecting or like
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know, taking it out on their
Speaker 1: other on the partner, I don't know. I agree. I
Speaker 1: think usually if you have the urge to snoop, it's
Speaker 1: more to do with probably you. Yeah, not always if
Speaker 1: someone's obviously displaying evidence or reason for needing to snoop,
Speaker 1: then that's different. But big lay, I think it probably
Speaker 1: says a little bit more about you and your trust issue,
Speaker 1: you know, trust trust issues that Yeah, I wouldn't say issues,
Speaker 1: but A right, that's okay, that's that's better to say
Speaker 1: that way for sure. Um yeah, I agree. I mean,
Speaker 1: I I definitely think at certain points in my life
Speaker 1: I was that guy where I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: wanting to see go through my girlfriend's phone. But that
Speaker 1: was probably also the time in my life where I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, an asshole. So I like,
Speaker 1: like we said, I think that it's not a bad
Speaker 1: thing that you don't want to look at your boyfriend's phone,
Speaker 1: and I should keep that energy now. Whenever Kylin grabs
Speaker 1: my phone, I'm always I'm not like, I'm always like,
Speaker 1: what do you need on my phone that you can
Speaker 1: get on your phone? But like, obviously you have at it, right,
Speaker 1: you know right? I mean the only time I pick
Speaker 1: up Dylan's phone usually is like to put a podcast
Speaker 1: on or something he hasn't he has an Android, So
Speaker 1: I don't even like his phone. Oh he has an Android? Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you? I can't believe you guys even fell
Speaker 1: in love at all going through the stocks. Honestly, it sucks.
Speaker 1: I know. I'm like, I will eye you and iPhone
Speaker 1: get on an iPhone. That's how. That's how we know
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna last forever. If you can date
Speaker 1: a guy on an Android, you're meant to be together forever.
Speaker 1: I know. If you can, if you can look past that, wow,
Speaker 1: because we can't even like air drop photos to each other,
Speaker 1: like it just it puts a real hindrance on the relationship.
Speaker 1: So how do you do it? You make like a
Speaker 1: drop drop drop box folder or something. We found WhatsApp
Speaker 1: works pretty good because for whatever reason. What's app doesn't
Speaker 1: really like um compress photos but videos don't come through
Speaker 1: very well? Gotcha? Yeah, that's definitely, definitely yeah, definitely a
Speaker 1: bit of a struggle when you're like content creators and
Speaker 1: can't share content very easily. So come on, Dylan and
Speaker 1: like group chats and stuff. You think about all the
Speaker 1: group chats he's missing out on because no one wants
Speaker 1: to have the green message pop up. I know, I know,
Speaker 1: poor guys. All right, well that's gonna do it for
Speaker 1: this week's episode of Help I Suck at Dating. But
Speaker 1: this week of Help by Sucker Dating is not over
Speaker 1: because we still have a great episode coming up in
Speaker 1: a couple of days. We are interviewing contestants from Sarah's
Speaker 1: new favorite show, which is called Love in the Jungle.
Speaker 1: It took me a second to remember what it was
Speaker 1: called Love in the Jungle? What did you think of
Speaker 1: the show? Love? I love it so far. I'm hooked.
Speaker 1: You guys are gonna love it. It's on Discovery Plus
Speaker 1: check it out. So good? Nice? Okay, so loving the
Speaker 1: Jungle Discovery Plus. We're gonna have Paige in Austin joining
Speaker 1: us here. Sarah, thank you for joining us. This week
Speaker 1: because this has just amazing. Oh it's been so fun.
Speaker 1: I'm like grinning from ear to ear. So many overlaps
Speaker 1: we have to make a hangout happen in person, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm disappointed at myself for having allowed this to
Speaker 1: go on for so long without us meeting no worries.
Speaker 1: I mean, all happens when it's supposed to, so we'll
Speaker 1: get there, that's right. And I mean, in all fairness,
Speaker 1: there aren't many outdoorsy people that come out of this
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise, so I know, I know, Crunchy Folt gotta
Speaker 1: stick together totally. Yeah, all right, well thanks for having me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, be sure to tune in on Thursday. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have Austin and Page from Loving the Jungle, so
Speaker 1: stay tuned. I guess follow hell by suck At Dating
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