Speaker 1: Piece of the planet, Charlamagne to God here and as
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Speaker 2: Watch up and welcome back to another episode of No
Speaker 2: Sealers Podcast with your host. Now, fuck that with your
Speaker 2: loat glasses, Malone. No the way you look, because it'd
Speaker 2: be people like that you, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like people your whole life.
Speaker 3: You feel me like that.
Speaker 2: You grew up loving their music, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: and you really to some level admiring the person that
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: That's the trick you. You'll really find yourself admiring somebody,
Speaker 2: especially when they hone their craft, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: they and they talented. You'll be like, yeah, I respect that,
Speaker 2: and then they do something Yeah they just like.
Speaker 4: Bro, why would you do that? Bro? Like? Who? Who?
Speaker 4: Like you know how they say you got it? Like who?
Speaker 4: You who? Your homies?
Speaker 2: Dude?
Speaker 4: Do niggas be that rich and that popular? Due they
Speaker 4: homies not say nothing like like hey, my nigga, that's trash,
Speaker 4: Like why you wearing that hair hat? Man? Or why you?
Speaker 4: Why you why you painting your your beard or why
Speaker 4: you It just be it just be a gang of
Speaker 4: ship man. What up? Bro? Yeah, it'd be. But the
Speaker 4: but the akon hat, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And that's my man, like one hundred grand bro, Like
Speaker 2: that's really my guy and it's not a but it.
Speaker 4: Looked like you could peel it if I seen him.
Speaker 4: I just want to peel it off, Like can let
Speaker 4: me feel that?
Speaker 3: Oh man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: That's why I said we should put him on I
Speaker 2: Love La, because it'd be dope. Like people look at
Speaker 2: certain artists and hip hop like and that's a perfect example.
Speaker 3: That's a hip hop artist, right.
Speaker 2: And normally we on our live streams and you know,
Speaker 2: this is dope to to do the podcast, right, this
Speaker 2: is just the audio portion, but it's dope, like you know,
Speaker 2: to really have these conversations to that degree, like where
Speaker 2: like with Cohn, like right, where like people like he's
Speaker 2: a hip hop artist, you know, I mean even though
Speaker 2: he don't rap in the traditional acons of hip hop artists,
Speaker 2: you know, like he could have an R and B sown,
Speaker 2: But he's a hip hop artist.
Speaker 4: He was a rapper, wasn't he.
Speaker 3: I think at one time he did rap.
Speaker 2: But that's a perfect example of somebody who sings that
Speaker 2: pretty much is a hip hop artist. And like, we
Speaker 2: just really try to disregard me. And Twine was talking
Speaker 2: about it earlier. Shout out to Oni Twine, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. On the podcast, y'all seen him a
Speaker 2: couple of times on the live stream. He really hasn't
Speaker 2: done a pod, so it's dope to have him on
Speaker 2: on the first podcast and no selllings, but having him
Speaker 2: like people, I'm telling the homie, I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: think I want to have a Kon sing.
Speaker 3: I love l a song.
Speaker 2: He's like, man, we could get somebody more current, and
Speaker 2: I'm like it's Akon. Like imagine you could get like
Speaker 2: like uh, actual rolls or like one of them big
Speaker 2: rock stars like uh like like, uh, what's the dude?
Speaker 2: Uh who be dancing? They all feel like he danced
Speaker 2: really well. No, no, the rock and roll dude can
Speaker 2: dance really well.
Speaker 3: Y'all know Mick Jack, Mick Jagger, Oh, Mick Jagger can dance.
Speaker 3: I mean like white, white people, white people, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 2: And they feel like Mick Jagger got swagged like so,
Speaker 2: but imagine like some young rock group could get Mick
Speaker 2: Jagger on the sothing like now we don't need to
Speaker 2: get make Jagger, we need to get somebody new.
Speaker 3: It's like, Bro, it's Mick Jagger.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's yeah. Fuck with Mick Jagger current, He's never
Speaker 4: not current.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm Akon is like Mick Jagger of hip hop.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. It's like it's like you
Speaker 2: can get a song with the locks, or I mean
Speaker 2: you can get a song with g rap like these
Speaker 2: dudes are permanent.
Speaker 3: And now hold on glasses.
Speaker 5: Now, I agree that that that a Kon is very prominent,
Speaker 5: but he's not as quite as prominent as a Mick Jagger,
Speaker 5: like MiG Jaggers and mc jagger got a Jagger got
Speaker 5: like a fifty almost a sixty piece in the game
Speaker 5: like and.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, not that and don't know what
Speaker 2: he looks like. Not comparing them to right, but I'm saying,
Speaker 2: what Mick Jagger is to rock is what Akon is
Speaker 2: to hip hop.
Speaker 3: And again I have to disagree, Bro, I understand.
Speaker 2: But but what I'm saying is it's not the comparative
Speaker 2: part that I'm really reaching for.
Speaker 5: As much as he's prominent, he's somebody that you don't
Speaker 5: pass up with when you have you.
Speaker 2: Have an opportunity to work with period and especially as
Speaker 2: a as a person. What he does with records, I mean,
Speaker 2: his ability to make a record special, it's like that
Speaker 2: don't wear off.
Speaker 3: Like Mick Jagger, it don't wear off.
Speaker 2: Now you can look at their own run and say, oh,
Speaker 2: you know what, Oh, they're not making the biggest records
Speaker 2: on their own. But that's not the point. The point is,
Speaker 2: you can make a great rock record with Mick Jagger today.
Speaker 2: You can make a great rock record with you know,
Speaker 2: actual roles, like you can make a great rock record
Speaker 2: with some of the greatest, Like right now, I want
Speaker 2: to do that song like I was telling you with
Speaker 2: a with Siegert, with Bob Seger, like I feel like
Speaker 2: I can make a smash hit record in hip hop
Speaker 2: with Bob Seger today. You know what I mean, because
Speaker 2: if you know what you're doing with the record, voices
Speaker 2: be voices.
Speaker 3: I can make a hit record with Stevie Wonder today.
Speaker 2: It don't matter when Stevie had his last hit record
Speaker 2: on this on like if you know, if you have
Speaker 2: the right record for Stevie Wonder. His voice is permanent.
Speaker 2: It can be the number one song in the country
Speaker 2: of Stevee. And it's a few artists that have ascended
Speaker 2: to that level. Akon is one of those artists where
Speaker 2: he's so prominent. He was so successful on a mainstream
Speaker 2: level in pop records. His sound is forever like He'll
Speaker 2: always beat it like what it is for people that
Speaker 2: like that music, you know what I mean? And I
Speaker 2: just feel like in hip hop again, when you don't
Speaker 2: get it. And this was a conversation it was happening
Speaker 2: earlier where you think you know hip hop because you
Speaker 2: watch some rap videos. You think you know hip hop
Speaker 2: because you know you saw something on Rap City, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, or you heard some songs. It's
Speaker 2: like you just know the letter, you know the letter
Speaker 2: of hip hop. You don't know the spirit of it
Speaker 2: until you really go sit down in the bronx and
Speaker 2: somebody really give it, give you what's going on. And
Speaker 2: I just feel like at this time, no, we don't
Speaker 2: have that. Like everybody he just feels like they know
Speaker 2: what's going on, or they just disregarded as nothing and
Speaker 2: it's too powerful to be nothing. So we did us
Speaker 2: live stream and it was based off a conversation I
Speaker 2: was having with one of my young homies, my little
Speaker 2: brother a d He has a stream, a live stream
Speaker 2: called the Community with my homeboy Pun and we were
Speaker 2: having a conversation about what was going on with Dirt.
Speaker 2: Dirt got arrested for murder for hire. Dirk was a
Speaker 2: wrapper in Chicago, you know exactly, and he was saying
Speaker 2: that the beef Dirk and Young Boy, their crews started
Speaker 2: over a girl. They were sleeping with the same girls,
Speaker 2: and you know, some happened somewhere along the line. They
Speaker 2: got loos and people start talking crazy and everybody cruise,
Speaker 2: people around the cruise start talking crazy. So now it's
Speaker 2: King VN who was part of Dirt Cruise Quandoronto was
Speaker 2: a part of Young with They were all cool at first,
Speaker 2: and they start talking crazy to each other, you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. And they go to Atlanta and the
Speaker 2: Chicago brothers go to Atlanta Ron and they get into
Speaker 2: a confrontation with Rondo cost King v his life. Yes,
Speaker 2: so Quando Rondo you know, year a year or two later,
Speaker 2: comes to California to do some business and his transportation
Speaker 2: that he's riding in through to do the business within
Speaker 2: the city. They near Century City, the whole truck gets
Speaker 2: shot out with fully automatic weapons. Okay, and that's the
Speaker 2: charge that Dirk is, you know, being in dice, that
Speaker 2: he organized, that he economically financed that that happened. Okay,
Speaker 2: So they got what's supposed to be allegedly is the
Speaker 2: shooters and have him for order for hire.
Speaker 3: He was ad.
Speaker 2: My little brother was telling me that was a lot
Speaker 2: to go through, you know, over a girl, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: it's not really over the girl, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: It's really over the stuff people say around the girl.
Speaker 2: We start having a conversation and I was saying, like,
Speaker 2: if if we're together, you, if somebody sleeps with you
Speaker 2: and they know I exist, they know me, no, they
Speaker 2: don't have to be my friend. If they know me
Speaker 2: and they know we're together and they sleep with you,
Speaker 2: not only are you disrespecting me, they're disrespecting me right.
Speaker 2: And I believe in the universe where the people disrespect
Speaker 2: you purposely, they will keep doing it. Right. So the
Speaker 2: harmonious thing to do is to erase you off the planet. Okay,
Speaker 2: not the vengeful thing, because vengeance would be that I'm
Speaker 2: doing it because you did this. The harmonious thing is,
Speaker 2: in my mind, is you will keep disrespecting me because
Speaker 2: you should have respect for me. I haven't did anything
Speaker 2: to you for you to disrespect me. The harmonious thing,
Speaker 2: the justice thing, would be to erase you off this planet,
Speaker 2: so you can't keep deflating who I am every day
Speaker 2: by taking advantage of whoever whatever goodness you think lies
Speaker 2: inside of me. And that's the difference between vengeance and
Speaker 2: street justice, right, because you have regular societal justice where
Speaker 2: everybody agrees on laws and then they have prisons and
Speaker 2: courts and juries and prisons and jails to help them
Speaker 2: issue out that level of harmony through justice. Well, in
Speaker 2: the streets there's the same space. And we were talking
Speaker 2: about Dirk situation and saying it was more you started
Speaker 2: to pursue it differently, like there is a level of
Speaker 2: street justice that should happen. But street justice, again is
Speaker 2: still as harmonious as anything else. It's like when you
Speaker 2: go to a real courthouse and instead of you like R.
Speaker 2: Kelly or Puff right where instead of them being held accountable,
Speaker 2: like Puff should be held accountable for combing his old
Speaker 2: lady here in the hotel lobby and da da da,
Speaker 2: and that should be like if they have a federal
Speaker 2: assault charge or the solicitation of prostitution, those are all
Speaker 2: fair charges, you know, possession of drugs, possession of guns,
Speaker 2: those are fair charges based off of evidence, versus them
Speaker 2: railroading him with a RICO where it's a racketeering charge
Speaker 2: for organization and there's only one person being charge, so
Speaker 2: that would be a one person organization.
Speaker 4: Same for R.
Speaker 2: Kelly where instead of him just being charged for child
Speaker 2: pornography because if you sleep with a girl under the
Speaker 2: age of sixteen on a camera, you know, it don't
Speaker 2: matter she can't consent, it's child or not federally which
Speaker 2: carries seven years and other stuff which R. Kelly should
Speaker 2: be in prison eight to twelve years. You feel me,
Speaker 2: But because you allow white folks to carry out vengeance
Speaker 2: against a nasty thing that they have against brothers in
Speaker 2: this country since they was buying them by the dozens.
Speaker 2: You know, in Virginia you have people mistreating and you
Speaker 2: have a like a like a trail of vengeance that's
Speaker 2: happening where it's all mistreatment.
Speaker 3: So instead of R.
Speaker 2: Kelly getting the eight to twelve years that he deserves
Speaker 2: based off the crime, he gets more time than Sammy
Speaker 2: the boy Girvano has for murdering you know, nineteen people.
Speaker 2: He almost has forty years instead of R. Kelly, you know,
Speaker 2: getting eight to fifteen years for you know, having a
Speaker 2: consistent history of soliciting prostitution and you know, using drugs
Speaker 2: or possessing drugs or having guns with serial numbers scratched
Speaker 2: off which carries ten years federally or any that stuff.
Speaker 2: So that eight to fifteen years that he should be facing,
Speaker 2: he's facing a lot. That's to me, white vengeance or
Speaker 2: systemic vengeance, you know, like we still can get these
Speaker 2: niggas when we can.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he was just saying to me and Pete like, Okay,
Speaker 2: well that sucker if you do that over your girl,
Speaker 2: because a girl gonna be a whole and you shouldn't
Speaker 2: be mad at no man. I'm like, well, I wouldn't
Speaker 2: be upset at the man for what my old lady is.
Speaker 2: I'd be upset at the man for disrespecting me knowing
Speaker 2: that this is my lady, and he was saying like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know you don't you disrespect that given his earn.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's street, that's not real. Like, you should
Speaker 2: respect every man even before they've earned it. You should
Speaker 2: only disrespect the man that you've lost respect for. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but if you disrespect the man that immediately in y'all
Speaker 2: first interaction, you know what I mean? You could take
Speaker 2: advantage of that. And so Pete was gonna give me
Speaker 2: a story fast forward again to the back mama where
Speaker 2: he felt like, oh, well, if my friend sleeps with
Speaker 2: my baby mother, and I'm like, well, what difference do
Speaker 2: it make if y'all lot together? Like why does that body? Well,
Speaker 2: he's betraying our friendship. I'm like how He's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't care about her, but he will
Speaker 2: be betraying our friendship. I'm like, well, if you don't
Speaker 2: care about her, and Pete was asking the same thing,
Speaker 2: you don't care about her? Yeah, right? And this is
Speaker 2: your friend and he has positive intentions for this woman,
Speaker 2: why does it body? And what I was telling Pete
Speaker 2: and I was telling still on the live stream, the
Speaker 2: truth is you love her, and he was like, well no,
Speaker 2: because I'm not sleeping with the once we break up.
Speaker 2: I'm like, sleeping with somebody is not with love is
Speaker 2: about that's self gratifying. Like you can make that type
Speaker 2: of act about somebody else, but for the most part
Speaker 2: is self gratifying. When you have to do things for
Speaker 2: people and you get nothing, it's true love. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: the reality is you stid and it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: why would I love her, you know, just because.
Speaker 3: We had a kid.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, and me and Pete were just talking
Speaker 2: to him, you know. And obviously the audience that's listening
Speaker 2: to the stream immediately went to a space like where
Speaker 2: they must stand by this versus us saying if you
Speaker 2: don't care trying to get him to say you love
Speaker 2: your kid's mother, which could make you think twice about
Speaker 2: just getting somebody pregnant or at least want I mean,
Speaker 2: if not love, at least can see that you want
Speaker 2: her on some degree. I think you love him. I
Speaker 2: think I don't care what nobody say. There's no way
Speaker 2: possible somebody can give you extended lineage on the planet
Speaker 2: Earth and you don't love them for it. Nah. So's
Speaker 2: it's weird listening to it because right.
Speaker 3: It's like.
Speaker 2: I've been saying this for years, you know, and I
Speaker 2: get a lot of pushback to me on I get
Speaker 2: a ton of pushback on all of this because of that,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, where's like it ain't
Speaker 2: on purpose. I just think that he got into a
Speaker 2: space to where it's like people have been complaining about
Speaker 2: hip hop being like like an advocate of like violence
Speaker 2: in the community or promoting drug use, like you know,
Speaker 2: rich Homi Kwan passed away from Atlanta, and you know,
Speaker 2: when something like that happens, the first thing is like, well,
Speaker 2: let's look at the music, and it's like, well, what
Speaker 2: was happening before the music? You feel me like why
Speaker 2: were people on drugs in the sixties and seventies or
Speaker 2: in the fifties.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they never talked about like the music going on
Speaker 6: when Kirk Cobain blew out his own brains, they never
Speaker 6: they never mentioned that it was the music.
Speaker 2: Well, I think white people kind of did. But again
Speaker 2: it's like it's like really silly. I mean, the artist
Speaker 2: very reflective of said community. But the point I was
Speaker 2: making is and in that situation with Dot and Drake
Speaker 2: is like, but Dot and Drake is like Drake that
Speaker 2: just pretty much you know, said, hey, you know he
Speaker 2: pulled the carpet. You know, he he had been standing
Speaker 2: on this rug that we call cultural cachet this whole time.
Speaker 4: M hm.
Speaker 2: He just snatched the rug from like, man, you're not
Speaker 2: the culture boom and then you know, so he couldn't
Speaker 2: really there was nothing to stand up on them now,
Speaker 2: And I think that's what we're looking at, like hip
Speaker 2: hop is still rooted and poor people making things cool.
Speaker 2: That that don't mean hip hop is only poor people,
Speaker 2: but the culture of it comes from poor people. The
Speaker 2: language comes from you know, the majority of the which
Speaker 2: come from you know, because it's bad educational program the fashion,
Speaker 2: it's taking ship, that's that you you know, if parents
Speaker 2: can't afford, but you know, some dickies and putting creases
Speaker 2: in them, you knowing.
Speaker 3: Rocking it with pride.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not the chucks themselves, it's the fat
Speaker 2: laces and the chucks. So you know, that's what that
Speaker 2: pride and that type of struggle is really where hip
Speaker 2: hop is different. You know, how can these people be
Speaker 2: so happy under these circumstances.
Speaker 6: I think, and I think that's that gets lost. That's
Speaker 6: lost now you know, and that's and that's why people
Speaker 6: start to, oh, well, hip hop isn't just only poor people,
Speaker 6: and hip hop isn't only just from the hood, and
Speaker 6: hip hop isn't only this and that, And it's like, actually,
Speaker 6: like at the core essence of it, if that's what
Speaker 6: we're that's literally what it came from, you know, and
Speaker 6: we've talked about that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 6: I was like your slogan that you're not it's not slogan,
Speaker 6: but you're the the way you set it up, you
Speaker 6: say it's a street or urban street, urban culture, but
Speaker 6: there's more to it, personify through the arts of elements,
Speaker 6: per through the arts and element so like.
Speaker 2: The actual act itself is not really hip hop, like
Speaker 2: being you know, street urban culture. But once you put
Speaker 2: it into the arts of elements, that's when you start
Speaker 2: seeing the artistic expression that we reference as hip hop.
Speaker 6: And that's the part that gets confused, I think for people,
Speaker 6: because then they just go, well, if I can just
Speaker 6: do the art part of it, then I'm hip hop,
Speaker 6: and that's not necessarily true. Now.
Speaker 3: I think you used to use this term was ah shit,
Speaker 3: what is it? Was like a.
Speaker 2: What did you say?
Speaker 6: You used to say it was like, when you're not
Speaker 6: from a product of hip hop, a product of hip hop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a ton of people who enjoy the music
Speaker 2: and they are not hip hop, you know, just because
Speaker 2: you know, my favorite food is Mexican food, Bro, That
Speaker 2: don't make me Mexican.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 2: I don't care how many tacos I get, how many
Speaker 2: you know, it don't matter.
Speaker 6: But most people in the Mexican community would give you
Speaker 6: a pass and say that you are an honorary Mexican.
Speaker 6: And I think that a lot of people in hip
Speaker 6: hop want that because Drake was low key kind of
Speaker 6: getting that until I feel like it almost seemed like,
Speaker 6: I mean, I don't know, because I don't know him personally,
Speaker 6: but it seemed like he started getting under people's skin
Speaker 6: by doing things where he started thinking he was bigger
Speaker 6: and not and doing things that he didn't remember, like, Yo,
Speaker 6: low Key, you kind of a guess, bro, even though
Speaker 6: you're mixed. Yeah, okay, you have Jewish.
Speaker 2: You have black.
Speaker 6: That's cool, but but that don't make you hip hop
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 2: Well again, I don't think the mixed part of it
Speaker 2: is the problem. It's it's it's the culture part. How
Speaker 2: do you grow up culturally. I mean, if you grew
Speaker 2: up in Jewish culture. You know, if a Rabbish already
Speaker 2: rapping about his Jewish experience, I think we would enjoy
Speaker 2: it and we love to claim it, but it probably
Speaker 2: would be Jewish.
Speaker 6: Well, I think what's his name made a comment about that,
Speaker 6: and I thought that was pretty Rosenberg. And he was like,
Speaker 6: he's like, I know a guy that grew up in
Speaker 6: like cause he's Jewish. So he was basically saying like
Speaker 6: he could identify and he said Drake got upset at
Speaker 6: that because he was like, like, I understand that he
Speaker 6: doesn't like that.
Speaker 3: I can see who he really is. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 3: nothing's wrong with that.
Speaker 2: Again, but again, if you're trying to present yourself as
Speaker 2: the poor people culturally, I mean, and and did he
Speaker 2: ever do that? Yes, that's the problem. That's what started
Speaker 2: to so when he first, like when Cuz first came
Speaker 2: right like you knew he was.
Speaker 3: This Nickelodeon kid. We all knew he was a pop act.
Speaker 2: We realized he was this unbelievable talent as a writer
Speaker 2: and in real story like punat you like, punish your
Speaker 2: like puna tell you. Like there was times bro where
Speaker 2: a dude would be trying to talk to me and
Speaker 2: I wouldn't even talk to him, not on no funny shit,
Speaker 2: but just like nigga, I don't know you because I'm
Speaker 2: just that type of nigga. You know, the streets teach
Speaker 2: you to be that kind of person, and I don't
Speaker 2: care how successful you get. I mean, that's just maybe
Speaker 2: it's not right. That's not to say I wouldn't say hello,
Speaker 2: but like, and I'm on my own mission, feel me,
Speaker 2: And I'm not mad at you know how I interact
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: I'm really careful how I interact with people.
Speaker 6: I think at one time you were you know, this
Speaker 6: is a different time period and you were a different
Speaker 6: maybe not as approachable person back then either, So that
Speaker 6: probably played with it, because you know it's funny like
Speaker 6: even though like we talk about like you tell me,
Speaker 6: I'm like, well, I'm more of a square dude grew
Speaker 6: up here, Like yeah, but you're still from the street
Speaker 6: because you grew up from in Inglewood and you know,
Speaker 6: he was outside cool.
Speaker 2: But I remember if you got into a fight. Do
Speaker 2: you remember the first time somebody hit you at school? Yeah,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't tell your parents, You remember.
Speaker 6: That, No, I didn't tell my my parents. I was
Speaker 6: too scared to on my dad because.
Speaker 3: He knew what he would have said, yeah, what he
Speaker 3: was saying. He would have said, what did you do?
Speaker 2: Back?
Speaker 6: That's the street And if I didn't do anything, I
Speaker 6: would have got whatked?
Speaker 2: Then that's the streets. Yeah, that's nothing but the streets.
Speaker 2: See you don't. It don't mean like you so dope.
Speaker 2: It means people where you grew up as so dope.
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