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Speaker 1: We don't know what's behind it. Those imaginary players that

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the guy that everyone says it's safe

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Speaker 1: thinking you're just you're not doing it. Here's what had

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Speaker 1: to happen to when the interview with past Shermer, Hey, Pat,

428
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Speaker 1: you know the guy that plays behind he's the best

429
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Speaker 1: David's Webb. He yeah, no, no no, I like no, No,

430
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Speaker 1: they got Davids Webb because last year you're able to

431
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Speaker 1: do it with case Keendam, who everyonets they can't play.

432
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Speaker 1: I mean you had Sam Bradford playing at a high

433
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Speaker 1: level into one game that we saw him. What do

434
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Speaker 1: you think you can do it? David's well, oh, I

435
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Speaker 1: can do it. I can I can make you work.

436
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Speaker 1: So now what you're looking at is, oh, this is

437
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Speaker 1: Quinn Nelson versus Josh Rose. No, no no, no, no, it's

438
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 1: Quintin Nelson and David's Webb over Josh Rosen or Josh Allen.

439
00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:11,359
Speaker 1: They like that scenario better. I got my young guy developing.

440
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Speaker 1: He would be a fourth of your player by the

441
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Speaker 1: time he gets on the road. You know who else

442
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,080
Speaker 1: was like that, Jimmy Garoppolo. Maybe they think David's Webb

443
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Speaker 1: is there. Jimmy Garoppolo just saying I needed I just

444
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Speaker 1: needed a minute. I needed a minute to myself, a

445
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Speaker 1: little bit thereself, a little bit I suppose she is.

446
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Speaker 1: That's what the deal is, Davis Webb. Jimmy Garoppolo out

447
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Speaker 1: of here. He's Jimmy Garoppolo Jr. Jr. Uh. Look, here's

448
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Speaker 1: the other thing though, the we'll get well, actually we're

449
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Speaker 1: going ahead Cleveland, Cleveland. Look this trade to me, Well,

450
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Speaker 1: you talked about the fact that insures that they're gonna

451
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Speaker 1: take a quarterback at one, which we've been saying for

452
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Speaker 1: a while now, And now I think you've gotta be

453
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Speaker 1: stoked if you're Cleveland, because a couple of things are

454
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. Either what you're saying is gonna happen, and

455
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Speaker 1: one of the other quarterbacks is gonna still be there

456
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Speaker 1: at four for Cleveland. And in that case, it's Buffalo,

457
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Speaker 1: it's Arizona, it's potentially Miami, and I would keep an

458
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Speaker 1: eye on Baltimore, would not sleep on them either. That

459
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,960
Speaker 1: phone's gonna be ringing at four. If they they want

460
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Speaker 1: to get out of there, they'll have plenty of options.

461
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Speaker 1: If a non quarterback goes to the Giants. If a

462
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Speaker 1: quarterback Dot's go to the Giants, they're gonna get a

463
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Speaker 1: heck of a player that's gonna fall right in their lap.

464
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Speaker 1: That whole se Kwon Barkley scenario with with Donald at

465
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Speaker 1: one Barkley at four is very real. Whether or not

466
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Speaker 1: Dorsey will do it, I don't know maybe he does.

467
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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. You're gonna get one of those

468
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Speaker 1: premiere premier players b a best player available. They get

469
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Speaker 1: to sit and just hang out and take really really

470
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Speaker 1: good players, and it it really depends on who comes

471
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Speaker 1: up and what they're offering. If they want to get

472
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Speaker 1: cute and trade out the pig because they are guaranteed

473
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Speaker 1: to get two premium players, to use Ballad's word, two

474
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Speaker 1: elite prospects. You follow them at one and four. I

475
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Speaker 1: don't know how they can pass it up. They already.

476
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Speaker 1: I mean, how many more picks do they need? DJ No, No,

477
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Speaker 1: that that's the whole thing that acts. You gotta make

478
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Speaker 1: some picks and get some good picks. The challenge there

479
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Speaker 1: to me, I would love it if I were them

480
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Speaker 1: Bradley Chub. I know that they haven't. I actually liked that.

481
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Speaker 1: I actually like taking Bradley when you have when you

482
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Speaker 1: have Miles Garrett and Aga who's a good player. But

483
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Speaker 1: now you put Bradley Chub. I know, but just just

484
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Speaker 1: think about those must have moments where you can kick

485
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Speaker 1: Miles inside a little bit if you let him get

486
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Speaker 1: on a sloppy guard. I think have those two kids

487
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Speaker 1: coming off the edge. One thing we know have haven't

488
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Speaker 1: been the league. One of the first things that happened

489
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Speaker 1: the Monday after the Super Bowl, everyone says, said the meeting,

490
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Speaker 1: they talk about what they do, what they do, and

491
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Speaker 1: the one thing that we can take away from the

492
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Speaker 1: Philadelphia Eagles, man, they had a bunch of pass can't

493
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Speaker 1: have too many, can't have too many. So if you're

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Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns, you have the opportunity to put a

495
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Speaker 1: young Miles Garrett with a young Bradley Chup and a manual.

496
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Speaker 1: But all those guys are in the same age range.

497
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Speaker 1: You get to develop a monster defense, and that division

498
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Speaker 1: is coming back towards them. So you talk about have

499
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to build a superpower. The Cleveland Browns have that.

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Speaker 1: I don't think auction to pick. I think I sit

501
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Speaker 1: there and wait and if the pastors she comes to me,

502
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,440
Speaker 1: we are running the card up to the day. I'm

503
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Speaker 1: with you on that one, and I do. The more

504
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Speaker 1: I think about it, it makes perfect sense. You gotta pick.

505
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: You guys have been passing forever and collecting picks. You

506
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Speaker 1: gotta get some players. Let's get that done. So there's Cleveland. Now.

507
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Speaker 1: Buffalo talked about those teams that could potentially come up Buffalo.

508
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Speaker 1: I don't know what you offer the Giants, but to me,

509
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Speaker 1: it's trying to get to the Giants. If you can't

510
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Speaker 1: get to the Giants, you're trying to get to four.

511
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Speaker 1: If you can't get the four, I don't I know

512
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Speaker 1: what you do? What do you do? You print out

513
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Speaker 1: those AJ McCarry jerseys. No, just roll with it because

514
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,120
Speaker 1: you just swapped out Tyrod Taylor for a J. McCarry.

515
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Speaker 1: That's where you're at right now. If you Buffalo, I

516
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Speaker 1: don't know, like, I don't know who is the total.

517
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Speaker 1: It's a competition Aji McCarran or Nate Peterman. So that's

518
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Speaker 1: that's that's that's what it is, because man, I don't

519
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Speaker 1: know if they can get up there. And not only that,

520
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Speaker 1: So now here's what we're talking about. You talk about pressure.

521
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Speaker 1: So say you get up there, and let's just say

522
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Speaker 1: they threw out all those picks that they've acquired, the

523
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Speaker 1: multiple third rounders, the second right, like all of that

524
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Speaker 1: for the for the quarterback that they're picking. Man, that

525
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 1: quarterback better be a g he better be I mean,

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Speaker 1: he better be a guy. And so well, you know

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Speaker 1: what you know what, it's interesting to me. I would

528
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Speaker 1: not be shocked if so they can't get up right

529
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Speaker 1: and say the quarterbacks go boom boom, boom boom. They

530
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Speaker 1: get to six to the Coats, but the Coat the

531
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Speaker 1: Colts could come back again. That would make Coast right

532
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Speaker 1: back and maybe they get six, and then maybe they

533
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Speaker 1: Colts actually might be in the prime position because they

534
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Speaker 1: can auction that pick to all those teams we just mentioned.

535
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Speaker 1: Because I don't Denver, I think sticks, and I don't

536
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Speaker 1: think they're taking a quarterback. I know they'll stick and

537
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Speaker 1: take a player. So the Coast the Coast are back

538
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Speaker 1: in play and depending on who that fourth quarterback is,

539
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Speaker 1: Alan Mayfield, whoever. But let's just say this. Let's say

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Speaker 1: with Buffalo. Well, first of all, the other side of

541
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Speaker 1: this Buffalo thing is I think the Jets kind of

542
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,640
Speaker 1: blocked him twice. Oh they got and gotta boxed out,

543
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 1: so they they end up getting traded up to to

544
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Speaker 1: take a spot that Buffalo would have loved to get too.

545
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Speaker 1: At number three. They also resigned Josh McCown, who Peter

546
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Speaker 1: King had mentioned was was being courted by Buffalo to

547
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Speaker 1: come in and be there a bridge quarterback Josh McCown.

548
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Speaker 1: One thing about Josh have you ever been around him?

549
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Speaker 1: He is great. He is great for young quarterbacks, shares

550
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: him from Yes, there was a market for him, and

551
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: so they kept him from a team in the division.

552
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Speaker 1: Then they ended up moving up and taking a pick

553
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Speaker 1: that the team in the Division one. So it's interesting

554
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: to see how that all happens. But I'll say, let's say, um,

555
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Speaker 1: Miami Baltimore, Arizona ends up making that trade up with

556
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Speaker 1: with the Colts at six. Right, so Buffalo is struck out.

557
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: They're stuck at twelve. Would it shock you because we've

558
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,679
Speaker 1: seen it done in this league many times before. Twelfth

559
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: pick in the draft, and we're all sitting here going, well,

560
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: they missed their window, and all of a sudden that

561
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Speaker 1: card gets turned in. With the twelfth pick, the Buffalo

562
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Speaker 1: Bill select from Oklahoma State quarterback Mason Rudolph. No, it

563
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 1: went surprise. It was surprise me because I think there's

564
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Speaker 1: some people that like him. I think that the love

565
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: for Mason Rudolph all over the league is up and down,

566
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Speaker 1: because when I was at his pro last week, they

567
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: were had scouts six seventh round pick. But then it

568
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: has some other guys like, is it me? But I

569
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 1: think this guy can play. I think this guy can

570
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: play in the league. So how did he look? For

571
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 1: your eyes? He threw it, but I mean he threw

572
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: it pretty well. But he was exactly what I thought

573
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Speaker 1: he was to me. He is a small ball quarterback.

574
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,280
Speaker 1: He is a hidden run type guy. He is going

575
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Speaker 1: to just advanced the ball um down the field. He's

576
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 1: not necessarily gonna be a gun slinger and the pat

577
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Speaker 1: My homes. He's gonna be a very controlled player, and

578
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Speaker 1: I think that you have to have the right pieces

579
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Speaker 1: around him for him to flourish. But in terms of

580
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: the off the field stuff, I can see how a

581
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Speaker 1: team that fancies himself as a blue collar team, a

582
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Speaker 1: coach that loves blue collar guys, could like him because

583
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Speaker 1: all the intangible we interviewed him at the Senior Bowl.

584
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Speaker 1: You know, he's gonna check the box and all those categories,

585
00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,639
Speaker 1: and then he throws it well enough that you're like, Okay,

586
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: I can envision putting around him now. But if you

587
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Speaker 1: take a Mason Rudolph, which might be smart for them,

588
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 1: and even if we said that's a reach of twelve,

589
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 1: if you're the buffalo bit else, then you have to

590
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 1: take the rest of those picks, and you have to

591
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: make sure that you surround him with enough weapons to

592
00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:08,919
Speaker 1: allow him to do what he does. Because right now,

593
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 1: when I look at this team, this team was great

594
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: in terms of the way they played collectively, but on paper, offensively,

595
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: you have Shade McCoy and you don't have much else.

596
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 1: You got Charles Clay had tied end, but outside of that,

597
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 1: they don't have upper echelon players on the perimeter, and

598
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: they haven't signed any free agency. I know the concern

599
00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 1: among Bills fans would do we just ej manuel it again?

600
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: Did we reach? Oh? Yeah, I mean that's gonna be

601
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: the thing. Like I mean, look, when they made the

602
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: move to get rid of Tyrod Taylor so early, they

603
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: kind of put themselves out there. And now you have

604
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: to kind of show your fan base we're upgrading the position,

605
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: and so you gotta walk away with one. You gotta

606
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: walk away with something. You have to walk away with

607
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: something to provise your fan base with hope. And even

608
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: though we say outside noise shouldn't trickle inside, there's a

609
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: lot more pressure like the one thing. And look, I

610
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 1: love those guys, Brandon Bean and Joe Shane and all

611
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: my guys that worked there, like Dawson whatever. Like I

612
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: know that when that that trade hit the ticker man

613
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: that freshure ratchet it up and one bills drive, Everyone's like, oh,

614
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:14,080
Speaker 1: so then they gotta they gotta go make a move.

615
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: So now it's just a matter of you hope your

616
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: grades marry up to the player that you're gonna have

617
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: to take a twelve, or you're willing to give up

618
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,080
Speaker 1: the other stuff to make sure you get the player

619
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: that you want. Like we I mean, I think we

620
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: could do an entire podcast just on this trade. Let's

621
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:28,840
Speaker 1: let's get to a couple of the things here quickly

622
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Speaker 1: before we have our interview with Hayden Hurst from South

623
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Speaker 1: Carolina Free Agency. Just touched on this real quick here,

624
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Buck and Dominican Sue. He's taking visits to New Orleans, Tennessee.

625
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: Now reports are he's gonna be out here in Los

626
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: Angeles visiting thoughts the rams with him next to Donald Wow.

627
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: So on once again. And I hate to keep doing

628
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: it because people are are mad at me because I

629
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: compared to Chicago barriers to the philipp Eagles. But let's

630
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: just look at what the Eagles were able to do.

631
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 1: They took on all comers. They were now afraid to

632
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: add talent on talent on talent on talent. So you

633
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 1: look at the Rams potentially having the opportunity to take

634
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald and put him beside and Dominican Sue. From

635
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: a financial standpoint, they have to make sure that they

636
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: pay Aaron Donald exactly what he's worth. They're gonna have

637
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: to break the bank for him. But on Sue, can

638
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Speaker 1: you get Sue on a short term rental? Can you

639
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: get him on a shorter deal? Knowing that Sue, you're

640
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: gonna have an opportunity to play beside Aaron Donald. Both

641
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: of you guys are a shured of getting one on

642
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: ones any number of times in the game. That's scary.

643
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: What they can do is they can absolutely whoop you

644
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: up front with those two guys. And so if I'm

645
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: the l a Rams, because I saw this, this is

646
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: crazy what they were able to do. In the back end,

647
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: Marcus Peters keep to leave even Sam Shields for the

648
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: three corners, they're paying just about what they would have

649
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: paid for Tremaine Johnson, So they've saved some money in

650
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: that regard. Also letting Sammy Watkins walk out the door,

651
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: and that we know and that he was signing a

652
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: deal for six team per You can take that money

653
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: and redirected to the big bodies. We've talked about it.

654
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: Investing in the trenches would never lead you wrong. And

655
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: so if they're able to get in Dominan sue to

656
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: go at Aaron Donald, the defense is better. They got

657
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: at like Oga trees numbers off the books when they

658
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: traded him to the Giants. The Rams are certain pretty

659
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: They haven't done anything splashy, like flashy or splashy in

660
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: free agency, but they could get a crown jewel in

661
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 1: Dominan sue. It's interesting to me. I went and tweeted

662
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,959
Speaker 1: this out last week, looking at the teams that invest

663
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,200
Speaker 1: heavy in the offense and defensive line. Oh yeah, we

664
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: talked about Lillian Jacksonville and the investments that they've made

665
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: their How about this? Just look at the NFC, which

666
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: to me it's set up, especially as Tom Brady gets

667
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: to the end and Roethsburg gets the end, the NFC

668
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: is gonna run the NFL for a long long Absolutely,

669
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 1: all the young quarterbacks there, the talent in that in

670
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,920
Speaker 1: that in that division is ridiculous. So are in that conference.

671
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: So just look at these teams here, Minnesota who won

672
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: the North last year, that they just made a big

673
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: time signing on the defensive side of the boll Sheldon Richardson.

674
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: So that defensive line one of the you know, one

675
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: of the premier defensive lines in the league. Now you're

676
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: throwing another guy like Sheldon Richardson into the front um.

677
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: The the Rams who were talking about here, the Rams

678
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: and the Saints both Josceling for a Dominican suit of

679
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: try and add him to the mix. Philadelphi Eagles won

680
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: the whole thing. Defensive line was outstanding. They go Michael

681
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: Bennett and Heloti Nada. So it's it's not necessary the Okay,

682
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: here's where we're strong, here's where week let's try and

683
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 1: get better where we're weak. It's like no, no no, no,

684
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: this is where we're good. We're gonna be great. And

685
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: these teams are investing heavily in the trenches, especially in

686
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: the NFC. They're gonna be able to rush the pastor man,

687
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: you better have you better have a quarterback that can

688
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 1: get it out, a quarterback that's durable and you and

689
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: you better invest in your offensive line as well. If

690
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to come out of the NFC anytime soon. Oh,

691
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: it's a big boy conference. It is. It is a

692
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: conference where we're seeing um dominant football. You have to

693
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: be able to control the line of scrimmage on both

694
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: sides of the ball. You have to have a number

695
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: of pass rushers that can get there. And the best

696
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: way that people are telling me inside pass vers is

697
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: the new marquee position. Used to be always the outside guy. Well,

698
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 1: now the two top position that you have to have

699
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: on defense, you need to have an outside guy and

700
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 1: then inside guy because the pressure up front inside is terrific.

701
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: And so you're looking at what the Rams are kind

702
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: of play doing. You see what the Vikings have done

703
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 1: and adding this shield and Richardson, we've seen the Philadelphia

704
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Eagles continue to add pieces with Michael Bennett and Helodi Nada.

705
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: Right now, the trend is you better be good with

706
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: the big boys. And because you're not, that leads me

707
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: back to who the New York Giants. You're down, You're Giants,

708
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: And that's why he gotta get the hog Molly's because eventually,

709
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: if they're going to if they're going to get to

710
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: the playoffs and they're gonna have to face those guys.

711
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: They've gotta have someone that can stop those guys. You

712
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: can't do it. One of those cute quarterbacks on the sideline.

713
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: They're gonna get a big body, a hog, Molly hog,

714
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: Molly better and better interior duo and sub Sue and

715
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald together with the Rams or are we gonna

716
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: go with Michael Bennett and Fletcher Cox in Philly. I'll

717
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 1: go with Sue and Donald inside, just because Donald's so

718
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: rare you Donald is ridiculous, but even super Ben. It's

719
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: a bad dude too though, But Sue is mean, he

720
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 1: has some he has he's gonna he's just gonna eat

721
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: up a bunch of bodies and free him up. Go on.

722
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: But no, it's interesting to look at this. NFC is

723
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 1: gonna be. But here's the thing that all those personalities

724
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: potentially and Dominican Sue has a strong personality. Marcus peters

725
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: in to keep to leave strong personalities. Aaron Donald strikes

726
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 1: me as quiet, but he probably to him. Wait, though

727
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: you got the grandfather, I mean that's a lot. That's

728
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: a lot to manage. That's a lot to manage. You

729
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: gotta have a zookeeper. Wait, you know, weight is like

730
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: Jerry Tarkanian. It makes it all work man. He's fine,

731
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 1: He's he's gonna bite the towel. They may have a

732
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: little sauce in it, yet may have a little something

733
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: to take take it off. You can handle it. He's fine.

734
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: A couple other signings here in free agency, real quick.

735
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Tyron Matthew a Nate Soldier, anything jump out to you.

736
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 1: Tyron Matthew goes to the Houston Texas. Nate Soldier goes

737
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: to the Giants in their in their bid to upgrade

738
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 1: for your guy, Eli Manning, he's my guy. But Tyron

739
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: Matthew honey Badger going to Houston is a big pick

740
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: because Roman Carnell does a great job of putting people

741
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: in the situation where they can thrive. They signed Jonathan

742
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: Joseph back the thing that was missing. That defense fell

743
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,960
Speaker 1: apart last year under Mike Rabel. Can Romeo fix it.

744
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: The best way to fix it to add more playmakers,

745
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: That's what Tyron Matthew is. Nate Solder is someone they

746
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: had to get when they missed on Andrew Warrell. That's

747
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 1: the guy they missed from Frontline from Carolina. They missed

748
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 1: out on getting the guard. They had to make sure

749
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,319
Speaker 1: that they got some help for the offensive line. Nate

750
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: Solder was the best guy on the market. He'll protect

751
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: the blind side. And because they missed out in free agency,

752
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: that's why they have to make up for it in

753
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,440
Speaker 1: the draft. That's why you're gonna see Q when Nelson.

754
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: We're big blue. Eli Manning is what thirty seven? No? No, no, oh,

755
00:34:52,560 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: he's Is he my guy? Yeah? He's not like no enough.

756
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: There's many as many things I've written about him. I

757
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 1: can't say he's my guy, but I can't say that

758
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: Quinn Nelson is his pascifier. Yeah, you go there, you go, pascifire.

759
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: It's a big pacifier we had if we had graphics,

760
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 1: we'd love to have like a little baby and Quinn

761
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: Nelson's face on the baby. All right, this is a

762
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: I wrote this in in this uh part of the

763
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: show because it's like a confessional for me. So I

764
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: don't even need you to add anything. I just need

765
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: to get this off my chest because it gives me,

766
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 1: It keeps me up at night. There's always a few

767
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: players where you you have your grades on them. He

768
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: talked to folks around the league and there in a

769
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 1: different spot than you are, and so you go, Okay, Look,

770
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I'm always I'm always willing to stand alone and be

771
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: the guy that just kind of musta stick by my conviction.

772
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to end up being wrong on somebody

773
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 1: else's opinion. I don't be wrong with my own opinion.

774
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 1: But these three players, like just talking to folks around league,

775
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: the grades are all over the place on them and

776
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: where I have them, I just don't feel comfortable, like

777
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: I just need more. I'm still sorting through it. So

778
00:35:58,320 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: this is my confessional, but I don't even have to

779
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: say anyth Okay. Colton Miller tackle from U c L

780
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: a unbelievable workout, top top fifteen pick type workout. I

781
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: just didn't. I didn't love the tape when I watched him.

782
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: I did not love the tape against A and M.

783
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: I didn't love the tape against Oregon. I see, he's big,

784
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: he's athletic. I get it. I don't think there's many

785
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 1: pass rushers in the pack twelve. So I don't know.

786
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: I just that was one that I struggle with. Malik Jefferson,

787
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: linebacker from Texas. Oh wait, wait, I'm gonna get through.

788
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make my confession. You can go what

789
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,280
Speaker 1: you want to do. Malik Jefferson from Texas explosive athlete.

790
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 1: I think, and even talking to Charlie Strong, he even

791
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: mentioned it. I gotta play him out in the edge

792
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: a little bit where he can see running hit gets

793
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: a little bit lost in the in the traffic inside.

794
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: But just in terms of the value of him right

795
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: right now, I have him just outside my top fifties,

796
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: so I kind of have him in that late second round,

797
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: really third round type range, and I just go, Man,

798
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: this guy gonna being some all pro and I'm just

799
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: too low on him. He's a great athlete. And then

800
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: the last one is who we've talked about already is

801
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph. You touched on the opinions being all over

802
00:36:57,280 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: the place. I like certain things about him. I love

803
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: his size, I love his toughness. Um. I think he's

804
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: accurate underneath especially or actually he's actually got a really

805
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: accurate deep ball. He's accurate underneath some of the intermediate

806
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: drive stuff. UM. It concerns me a little bit in

807
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: the adjustment from that offense will will be something to

808
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: take into account. But I don't have him in my

809
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,800
Speaker 1: top fifty right now. I know there's there's folks that

810
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 1: think he's a first round caliber player, just not in

811
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: a comfortable place with any of these three guys. So

812
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: I got off my chest. I just had to I

813
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: just had to share that. I mean that stuff we

814
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 1: all go through that. I went through a little bit

815
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: of that yesterday when I was looking at tape. Uh

816
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: Colton Miller, I think it's very interesting. What do you

817
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: think about him? He's interesting because he's big and athletic.

818
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: You talked about the top fifth team workout, and when

819
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: you look at the tape, um, he has some flaws

820
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: and some issues that show up. But is he is

821
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,480
Speaker 1: he any different than Garrett Bowls and the guy that

822
00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: we saw at Utah? Like, I mean, you know, does

823
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: he fall in line with that? I think the main

824
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: thing is you do see that he's athletic, and he

825
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: may have some struggles and he may not be a

826
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: guy that can roll right in but in the right situation.

827
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: So uh, mostly in MOK, I put him with the

828
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: l A. Rams so he could play behind Andrew what Worth.

829
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,240
Speaker 1: Maybe they can develop him or whatever. I think expectations

830
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: have to be managed if he has to play right away.

831
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: I think you're a little nervous. However, it's hard to

832
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: find guys who are size that athletic, that can move

833
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: around like that, and who have been decent to slightly

834
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,839
Speaker 1: above decent on tape like that. There's a lot he's

835
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: gonna go, so I can understand the concern Malik Jefferson.

836
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 1: For me, I man different tastes for everybody, depending on

837
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: what you want to do on defense, how you see

838
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: your defense evolving, how you want to use your personnel.

839
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: He's going to go higher a lower on the board

840
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 1: what he is at his best man, when you let

841
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: him just see ball, get ball, he can make place.

842
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: But if you're asking him to read and react and

843
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 1: to do a lot of things where he has to

844
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:49,479
Speaker 1: take on blocks, that's not it. I think whoever takes

845
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,640
Speaker 1: him the defense coordinate has to have a clear picture

846
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: of what he wants to do with him, and he

847
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: puts him in a situation where he can be successful.

848
00:38:55,920 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: That is critical. And Mason Rudolph, Mason Rudolph is the same. Um.

849
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: It's funny because the scouts around me at the Pro

850
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: day really worried about his athleticism, his movement, skills Um

851
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: they didn't like necessarily the way they move, felt like

852
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 1: he was a statue. I didn't see him as an

853
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: athlete of that regard. But what I saw him was

854
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: a guy that is a high football like you guy,

855
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: A guy that can get the ball out of his

856
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: hands quickly and accurately. I think he can play in

857
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: that uh zero to fifteen to twenty yard box, a

858
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: lot of intermediate throws. UM ball comes out on time.

859
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: He can do all this stuff. It is critical for

860
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: him that he has a supporting cast where gays can

861
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: get open and create separation because he's not going to

862
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: be able to extend plays with his feet, and he

863
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have the arm to kind of throw guys

864
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: open consistently, particularly down the field. So he needs a very,

865
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: very good supporting cast. But I compared him to It's

866
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,360
Speaker 1: funny um different comparison because this guy is more athletic,

867
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: but they remind me of the same I compared him

868
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: to Nick Foles. When I tell you, I'd said the

869
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 1: same thing, like, that's kind of how I see him now.

870
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,919
Speaker 1: The trick is when we graded Nick Foles and those guys,

871
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 1: we graded those guys in second, third round talents. Mason

872
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 1: potentially could be a first round player, but that's kind

873
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: of how m I see him as a Nick Foles

874
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: type where you have the pieces around him, you have

875
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 1: a quarterback coach and an offensive coordinator that can work

876
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: with him and do some things. He could be successful.

877
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 1: It's just a matter is he going to be a

878
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: transcendent start that can go anywhere? No, that's my look.

879
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: We share a brain. He I just wrote down folds

880
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: the first thing I did when I watched him. His

881
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,399
Speaker 1: kid was a tight end as freshman or in high school.

882
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 1: End up switching high schools and uh kind of overlooked

883
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: a little bit through the recruiting process and it's just

884
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: been nothing but productive and won a bunch of football games.

885
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: He's a good player. I just struggle word a slot

886
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: him in this in this draft class. Anyways, Look, that

887
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 1: was fun, fun talk there. I'm looking forward to this

888
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: next interview here though, because Hayden Hurst. What a fascinating

889
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: story for the tight end from South Carolina. Great player

890
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,359
Speaker 1: in a really really interesting dude. Here's our chat with

891
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,959
Speaker 1: Hayden Hurst. All right, but I'm excited to be joined

892
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: by South Carolina tight end Hayden Hurst taking some time

893
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: out before his pro day tomorrow to visit with us. Hey,

894
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 1: now you doing, man, I'm doing well back up in

895
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: Columbia for a few days, you know, excited to you know,

896
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 1: get to pro day and show what I got. Man.

897
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: Before we get to Pro Day, I want to ask

898
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,399
Speaker 1: you the one question I think is on everybody's mind

899
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: when you see that dude from Houston on their basketball

900
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: team with the man bun. I mean, does he even

901
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: come close to as strong as your man bun game?

902
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: Is he has more of what I've called a topknot,

903
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: and the mind's kind of if you can see it

904
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:31,919
Speaker 1: is more towards the middle of the back of my head,

905
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 1: but this is more on top of his head, and

906
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: he's got the side shaved. But I mean, to each

907
00:41:36,560 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: their own, man, I'm good, Buck, go ahead and tell yours.

908
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: That's fundy obviously. Um, you've had a long journey to

909
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 1: get to South Carolina. Talk about your experience playing baseball

910
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 1: before you made the move to South Carolina. Yeah, growing up,

911
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: I kind of did both sports, but everybody told me

912
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: a baseball is always going to be the answer. You know,

913
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: I played one year of high school football is in

914
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 1: my junior season. I got drafted in two thou and

915
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: in twelve by the Pirates, you know, playing their minor

916
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: league system for three years, and then that didn't really

917
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: work out and decided to walk on in South Carolina.

918
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,479
Speaker 1: What surprised you about baseball by the way, you didn't

919
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:12,280
Speaker 1: expect to go into I mean the minor league circuit.

920
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: I've had close friends have gone all the way through

921
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: that route. But what what was that experience like and

922
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: compared to what people glamorized that experienced to be, Like,

923
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: you know, everybody, here's you know, professional baseball. You know,

924
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: I think you're playing in the big leagues, you know,

925
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: in big league stadiums every single day, and it's I

926
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: mean when you're in the minor leagues, it's not like that.

927
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: You know, you gotta work your way up. You're on

928
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,479
Speaker 1: bus rides, you're eating box lunches, and like you said,

929
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 1: it's not exactly the most glamorous lifestyle that people kind

930
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: of crack it up to be. You guys, weren't staying

931
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: in rich Carlton every week? Huh, absolutely not no. But

932
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: let's take it even further. Your extensive experience. You're talking

933
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: about playing only one year of high school football. Uh,

934
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: what did you learn from baseball? That is being able

935
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 1: to translate to your game in football? Really the best

936
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: thing that you know, base ball taught me was I

937
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: mean it just kind of humbled me, you know, because

938
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: coming out of high school, you know, everybody told me

939
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna be great. You know, I was going

940
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,320
Speaker 1: to be in the big leagues and to three years.

941
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: And it really was polar opposite of that. You know,

942
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,760
Speaker 1: I struggled, I could didn't even really pitch in games.

943
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: And then I mean I fought my way out of it,

944
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: and you know, walked on in South Carolina and was

945
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 1: looking to play and and have some fun playing college football.

946
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: But you know, to the extent that I've kind of

947
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: played myself into, you know, potential actually being a Day

948
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: one pick here in a few weeks is is kind

949
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: of surreal to me. Take me back to the moment

950
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 1: where you got in for the first time at South Carolina,

951
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: because I've got some some friends on that staff. Coach

952
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: Elliott was one of my coaches in college. It told

953
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: me about how you were doing some things in practice

954
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 1: and eventually was like, hey, why don't we what are

955
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: we doing? Let's get this guy. Let's get this guy

956
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 1: the ball, Let's get him involved. What was that first

957
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 1: experience like for you getting out there and getting some

958
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: meaningful minutes? Um, I kind of played sparingly throughout my

959
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: first year. My freshman season was mostly a wide receiver.

960
00:43:58,160 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: You know, they put me in there a little bit.

961
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 1: I think my first you know, extensive action was against

962
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: Texas A and M, where actually my roommate Perry through

963
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,840
Speaker 1: me a fifty yard you know, Austin route and I

964
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: took it down about like the ten yard line, you know,

965
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,520
Speaker 1: And to to catch that pass in silence a hundred

966
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 1: and ten thousand people in my first catching in college

967
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: football was kind of wild. Um, And thinking about that,

968
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 1: starting as a wide receiver then moving inside to tied in.

969
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: What has been the biggest adjustment You didn't have a

970
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: lot of high school experience as the physicality blocking. What

971
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: has been the thing that you've had to really pick

972
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: up during your college days? Just the biggest thing, man

973
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,840
Speaker 1: is Um, you know, your footwork, you know, being aggressive

974
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: because you know in sec you play against the first

975
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: round draft picks on that edge every single week, so

976
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:42,200
Speaker 1: you got to bring it and you know they're quick

977
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: and if you don't get your hands on them. They're

978
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: gonna try to drive you back into the quarterback. One

979
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: of my favorite things about your game is how they

980
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:50,879
Speaker 1: use you on these tight end reverses. You don't see

981
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,839
Speaker 1: that a lot at the NFL level, but they will

982
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: hand you the ball and you come underneath basically if

983
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: you're if you're watching like a fly sweep, except you

984
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 1: give the ball to the tight end. How much fun

985
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: was that for you as a ball carrier because you're

986
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: just some damage as a ball carrier. I mean, it

987
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:04,759
Speaker 1: was awesome. It kind of took me back to my

988
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 1: middle school days, you know, when I was playing fullback

989
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: and they would hand it off in our our offense.

990
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 1: But you know, I kinda I really enjoyed it. Um

991
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I think I ended up

992
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: with like thirteen carriers or something like that. And uh,

993
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: you know, anytime where I can get my hands on

994
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 1: the football intentionally take it all the way, it is awesome.

995
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: So when you look ahead to the Sunday game and

996
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 1: you look at, uh get tied ends guys that play

997
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: your position, is there anybody that you patting your game?

998
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: After that, your mother your game, after you know, being

999
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: in the Carolina as I've always kind of watched Greg,

1000
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, and getting to see him and actually meet

1001
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: him in Indianapolis was pretty awesome. I got to talk

1002
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:42,919
Speaker 1: to him for a little bit. But just the way

1003
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 1: that he does both phases of the game. You know,

1004
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 1: he's not afraid to stick his face in there, and

1005
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: the block and then I mean just the way he

1006
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,239
Speaker 1: extends the field vertically is just it's awesome. Yeah. I

1007
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 1: but my notes on you is as a blocker, you're

1008
00:45:54,840 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: definitely willing and the effort is there, and you're a

1009
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: little little bit inconsistent. But I'll tell you what, when

1010
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: you watch tight ends nowadays, there's guys who don't want

1011
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: any part of it. It looks like that's something you're

1012
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: comfortable with and something you want to attack and something

1013
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: you continue to get better at. Absolutely, I mean, whatever

1014
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 1: whatever the coaches asking me to do, you know, I

1015
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: want to do everything the best of my ability. You know,

1016
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: if that's blocking, you know, seventy plays a game and

1017
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 1: catching one pass or you know, vice versa, you know

1018
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, and I don't I don't have

1019
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: any fear when I'm in a ball field. You know

1020
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take on everybody you know that comes across

1021
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: my face. So if you had to break your game

1022
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: down on tap, what would you say the strongest part

1023
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 1: of your game is, I would say my route running

1024
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: in my speed. I think people kind of underestimate that,

1025
00:46:33,200 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, from my size, I'm able to pick them

1026
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: up and put them down and get open. You know,

1027
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: everything that kind of comes my way, I catch it.

1028
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,280
Speaker 1: I think I had one drop in in two seasons,

1029
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: so I mean, definitely some stuff I need to work on.

1030
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: Like you said, I mean I've been playing for playing

1031
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 1: tight end for two years now, so I mean sky's

1032
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: a limit for me. Man. Yeah, two years at the position,

1033
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna be a first round pick. I think

1034
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: you're doing all right there, buddy. Uh My comparison when

1035
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: I watch you actually saw a little bit hunter Henry

1036
00:46:57,400 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: who with the Chargers. We always are lobbying on the

1037
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: son this show and on our air about how they

1038
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: need to get him the ball more. But he's been

1039
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: very productive the opportunities he's been given coming to Arkansas again.

1040
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: A two way guy. He can block you in the

1041
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 1: run game, but also get down the seam and make

1042
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 1: some things happen. Have you have you seen Hunter Henry

1043
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: at all when you've been watching football on Sundays? Oh? Absolutely.

1044
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: I mean Hunter mainly was as a big part of

1045
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: the reason why I kind of came out this year.

1046
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 1: I know, he was a first team all I sec

1047
00:47:24,040 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: tied end, the first one taking in his draft class.

1048
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: So I mean that was watching him and seeing what

1049
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: he did. Um kind of you know, like I said,

1050
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,080
Speaker 1: was a lot of my thought process going into this thing,

1051
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 1: you know. And actually one of the guys that I

1052
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: was able to work out with, Austin Allen, was his

1053
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: quarterback yet um at Arkansas, so you know, I got

1054
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: to ask him a lot of questions about how Hunter

1055
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,879
Speaker 1: kind of carried himself and how he worked out. So yeah,

1056
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: I've watched a lot of Hunter. How how did Austin

1057
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: say that you compare with Hunter? He actually said that

1058
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 1: it was kind of weird how similar we were. You know,

1059
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to compare myself to Hunter just yet.

1060
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: I mean, he's too two years in the league and

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00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: he's been pretty productive, but you know, Austin said he

1062
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: definitely saw a lot of similar charities. It's funny that

1063
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: you don't want to make comparisons, but I'm making God,

1064
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,240
Speaker 1: did you've reminded me of Tyler Effort from the Cincinnati Bengals.

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00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: Coming out of Notre Dame, I saw a guy that

1066
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: was a red zone threat. I believe that you have

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00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 1: the potential to be a dominant player down in the

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00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: red zone. I've seen you've worked the middle of the field,

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00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: getting down the seams. You talked about your running, your

1070
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: past gets and ability and your speed. Those are the

1071
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: kind of things that make you a mismatch nightmare. So

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00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: I can kind of envision you doing some of the

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00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: stuff that we've seen Tyler Ifford doing the Nation Football League. Well,

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00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:32,240
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. You know, Tyler, it's an extremely extremely

1075
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: productive player. You know. I'm I've definitely seen the stuff

1076
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: that he's been able to do. Um, when I was

1077
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: in South Carolina, we didn't get in the red zone

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00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 1: a ton, so I wasn't able to show my skills there.

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00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: But UM, you know, I'm hoping I get with a

1080
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: pretty good team and you know, we can scheme some

1081
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: stuff up and I can show my ability. Anybody that's

1082
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: been successful in athletics or in life has goals. What's

1083
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 1: your goal for your first season in the NFL. My

1084
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: biggest thing is I want to get on you know,

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00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: a successful team, you know, a team that wants to win,

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00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: and just kind of surround myself in that culture. Um,

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00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 1: I want to be productive, you know. But again you

1088
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 1: know I'm not I'm not high on numbers and stuff

1089
00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: like that. You know, whatever, I'm gonna whatever team asked

1090
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: me to do, you know, whether it's you know, come

1091
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: in and start right away and catch passes, and I

1092
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 1: want to be as productive as possible. Well that was

1093
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: a great as a perfect answer. That was a really

1094
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,440
Speaker 1: that was a really good answer. Team and always always

1095
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: get it back to the team and off the individual.

1096
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: Like as an evaluaty we both scout in the NFL

1097
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: for a long time. So when you're asking those questions,

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00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:28,239
Speaker 1: there's an answer we're hoping to get. We understand when

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00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: guys are gonna say, like I want to make the

1100
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl, I want to catch ninety balls. But we

1101
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,200
Speaker 1: like it when guys talking about having a successful team,

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00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: that's you've been training. You're either the best guy ever,

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00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: You've been trained really well. So now we'll go to

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00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: strictly individual. We want to know what is your biggest highlight.

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00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: My biggest highlight Um. The biggest one that comes to

1106
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 1: mind was that third down catch in our bowl game. Um,

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00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: you know, the previous play, let a guy Roshawn Gary

1108
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: get past to me and sack Jake Um And as

1109
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: as soon as it happened, I kind of tapped Jake

1110
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 1: on the shoulder and I was like, hey, man, let

1111
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: me get it back. And sure enough, the next play

1112
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,000
Speaker 1: a third and he threw it up to me and

1113
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: I jumped, jumped into two guys and pulled it down

1114
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: and it actually led to the go ahead touchdown. What

1115
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: was the play call there and what was the coverage?

1116
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,439
Speaker 1: I don't remember the exact play call, but during the game,

1117
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, they played a lot of man coverage on us,

1118
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: and it was actually a busted play. He scrambled right

1119
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 1: outside the pocket and then kind of he saw me

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00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: working towards the sideline and there are two guys there,

1121
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: and yet as he trusted me and I went up

1122
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: and caught it. That's big time. How about your greatest

1123
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: hardship It could be on the field, off the field,

1124
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: the greatest hardship you've overcome. I mean again, going back

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00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:45,399
Speaker 1: to baseball, UM, you know those three years I tried

1126
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: to explain it to people. And I came out of

1127
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: high school was really really you know successful, and everything

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Speaker 1: that I had done, you know, never really experienced anything,

1129
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: you know, failure and stuff like that got with the pirates. Um,

1130
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, again, figured i'd be pitching in the big leagues.

1131
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,839
Speaker 1: I couldn't even pitching games. You know, I developed the yips. Um.

1132
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: You know, I couldn't even throw on a foul line

1133
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: like little little leaguers do. And UM, I tried to

1134
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: battle through that, talking to multiple doctors and you know,

1135
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 1: sports psychologists for about three years, and I just never

1136
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 1: kind of never figured out the root of it. And um,

1137
00:51:20,200 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 1: you know, made a life decision to switch back to football,

1138
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: and you know, I haven't really looked back since. So

1139
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: we all are inspired by somebody. Sometimes it's in the home,

1140
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 1: sometimes it's out of the home. Who is your hero? MM,

1141
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: it's gotta be my dad man, Like I said, he's

1142
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: he's been the one sticking by me through these past

1143
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 1: you know, five years. It's been a like he said,

1144
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: It's not the most conventional route to get to where

1145
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: I'm at today. But you know, my dad, and you know,

1146
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: my mom will be mad if I don't mention her

1147
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: as well. But you know, just that support system back home,

1148
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 1: you know, sticking buying me these past five six years.

1149
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: You know, they thought everybody thought I was crazy when

1150
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 1: I was telling him I was quitting baseball. But you know,

1151
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 1: hopefully they'll be happy here in a month. Oh that's

1152
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 1: a fantastic right. Last question, then we'll let you run

1153
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: A lot of times. Is scouts. You like to ask

1154
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 1: guys who the best player they played against was, and

1155
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,520
Speaker 1: you'll get names, and it's it's helpful for us. The

1156
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: same names keep coming up over and over again. But

1157
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: it's almost baseball season, and with your time in the

1158
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 1: minor leagues, I want to know who's the best baseball

1159
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: player that you played against. It might be somebody still

1160
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 1: in the minors. It's coming up. You can do some

1161
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 1: scouting for us, or maybe it's something that's already avolt

1162
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:24,760
Speaker 1: his way to the leagues. Who's the best baseball player

1163
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: you played against? Best baseball player? Um? Spring training my

1164
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: second year, I got to pitch against Delman Young. He

1165
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: was with the Phillies at the time. Um. I think

1166
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's still playing or not, but

1167
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of had to. I looked at

1168
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: who was on deck, and I kind of when he

1169
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: came up to the plate had to step off and

1170
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 1: be like, oh man, this is this is the first

1171
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: big league guy I have to face. Um. You know,

1172
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: I took a deep breath and got in there and

1173
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 1: I think I ended up he popped up to um

1174
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:57,200
Speaker 1: our right fielder. But you know that was kind of

1175
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: one of the moments where I was like, man, this

1176
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: is this is getting pretty. That is fantastic. Well, you

1177
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about Delman Young anymore. You might

1178
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 1: have to worry about you blocking J. J. Watt or

1179
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: Genevan Clowney or something like that. But uh, those are

1180
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: fun challenges ahead. Thank you so much, Hayden for taking

1181
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: some time for us. You're one of our favorite players

1182
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: in the draft and we look forward to phone your journey. Yeah.

1183
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Thank you guys for having me. Well

1184
00:53:20,280 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: there you go, Black What Hey? How cool is that? Dude?

1185
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: Great man? Terrific. I think I think the big thing

1186
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:29,280
Speaker 1: my takeaway will be um his perspective. I do believe

1187
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: baseball certainly humbled him the lack of success, but I

1188
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: think that lack of success has fueled his success in

1189
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: Football's um to talk about the older guy that would

1190
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: be coming into the locker room, a guy that kind

1191
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 1: of understands how to be a pro. I took all

1192
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: those things away from that interview, even the way he

1193
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: talked about what his goals were. It was definitely a

1194
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: team over me. Those are the kinds of guys that

1195
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: you like to bring in your right he's going to

1196
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: be a first round picking about him first round. There

1197
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: a couple of teams they need him. Imagine him with

1198
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia Eagles. Oh my gosh, no brainer. Trey Burton

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Speaker 1: ce later it took retired. Could be a nice little fist.

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00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: I've been saying Jacksonville. But then we're out and paid

1201
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: a s J Austin Seferi and Jenkins, who, by the way,

1202
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: do you see that compared him to uh when he

1203
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 1: was coming out of the draft. Somebody actually sent me

1204
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 1: a tweet from like two thousand thirteen or wherever he

1205
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,600
Speaker 1: came out, because when I was evaluating Austin Seferie and

1206
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: Jenkins and said, he reminds me a lot of Mercedes Lewis.

1207
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: How about now he's going to team up with him

1208
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:26,359
Speaker 1: and maybe even eventually replace him. It's the first time

1209
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: in the history of Twitter, somebody sent you something that

1210
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: you something previously that was something terrible. So whoever that

1211
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: guy was, thank you appreciate that. Nicely done. Um, hey,

1212
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 1: that's gonna do it for us, Buck Beefy episode covered

1213
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,840
Speaker 1: a lot of ground, but man, it is it is

1214
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: officially officially officially, uh Draft season, because we've got we

1215
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,279
Speaker 1: got paths at the Draft starting, We've got Mock Draft

1216
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,319
Speaker 1: Live starts on Tuesday. Um, we've got all of our

1217
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,720
Speaker 1: podcasts coming your way here. So we are. We are busy,

1218
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Speaker 1: but it's a fun busy, fun busy. We're finally get

1219
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: a chance take center stage. Center stage, didn't there no question?

1220
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Speaker 1: And the three Sixties Series got often running last week

1221
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson, which eybody seems to enjoy. If you

1222
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 1: haven't checked that out, be sure to check out that episode.

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Speaker 1: It's Lamar Jackson three Sixties Series episode. And guys, are

1224
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: we allowed to tease who we have coming up for

1225
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:11,240
Speaker 1: this week? Uh? Well, who is it? It's Derwin James

1226
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Speaker 1: Safety from Florida State. There you go, Sully, Yeah, Derwin

1227
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Speaker 1: James three sixty drops on Thursday, so be on the

1228
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Speaker 1: lookout for that as well. I know you've got a

1229
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 1: lot of basketball to watch. There's plenty of time for

1230
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 1: you to catch some of these some of these podcasts.

1231
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,040
Speaker 1: What you got mowing the lawn? Obviously Sully has lots

1232
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Speaker 1: of time because this volunteers are done. Oh the tar Heels, Buck,

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Speaker 1: Are you okay? I expected I didn't think. Yeah he

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Speaker 1: Actually we're fine. Hoosiers didn't even make the tournament. That's

1235
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Speaker 1: my team. So we're times to three sixties less basketball. Yes,

1236
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 1: there you go, lots of three sixties to be on

1237
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,360
Speaker 1: the lookout for. Uh did see that. We got a

1238
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Speaker 1: bunch more reviews and ratings there on Apple Podcasts. Appreciate

1239
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 1: you guys doing that for us if you haven't already.

1240
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: Uh man, that's that really does help us out. We're

1241
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: climbing up the rankings each and every week as we

1242
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: marched towards the draft. We've got all your needs covered

1243
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 1: here on Moved the Six. He's Buckey Brooks, Daniel Jeremia

1244
00:55:58,040 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 1: will see next time. Thank for downloading Move the Sticks

1245
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:06,799
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