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Speaker 1: Problem solved? Is it put? Is it put? Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: Problems solved, tuck down, Tyler Murray, That defender is in

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Speaker 1: multiple pieces? All that was nasty right there? Rights the

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Speaker 1: latest news and notes from the guys who cover the teams.

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Speaker 1: Rilled by Simmons. Isaiah Simmons is bawling, Bring it on,

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Speaker 1: Bring it on. Slam the ground by foot a baker

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Speaker 1: like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield. I

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Speaker 1: scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvc. So we have questions

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Speaker 1: by the inner Cardinals Underground. We hope to have a

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Speaker 1: Chandler Jones, for example, who knows what sort of answer

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Speaker 1: will come up with those questions surrounding his attendance Cardinals

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Speaker 1: and it does involve one of us. Paul Calvaca, Darren

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Speaker 1: Rman Collot to guard and Darren, you might have to go,

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Speaker 1: Paul A pinch hit her here. I might need some

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Speaker 1: assistance emotional Paul quarterback man. I might go Terrell Owens.

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Speaker 1: I might be dick for meal by the time we're

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Speaker 1: done with this. You know, of course, how often have

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Speaker 1: you guys ever, I'm going to diverge for a moment here,

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Speaker 1: who's been a best man at some point in their life? I? Okay?

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Speaker 1: And it comes time for the toast, And here was

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Speaker 1: my one and only experience as best man. The maid

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Speaker 1: basket case. They handed her the microphone. It was supposed

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Speaker 1: to be a duel toast. She went first, and then

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Speaker 1: couldn't talk and she was crying and Joe, it was

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Speaker 1: so emotional and it and the wedding coordinator was not happy.

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Speaker 1: he's not happy with you that he just cuts off

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Speaker 1: your mic since given the wrap it up, signs to her.

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Speaker 1: So the wedding coordinator comes over, not unlike the turk

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Speaker 1: in a training camp, and says, can I have the

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Speaker 1: And then she hands the microphone to me and boom.

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Speaker 1: I had to take over right there and handle both parts.

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Speaker 1: And I didn't have a good five minutes plus to

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Speaker 1: was on. Well that's sort of the moment right here, Darren.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you want to handle this exactly, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to concox some sort

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Speaker 1: you know that. I'm gonna punt it to you right

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest, Paul, You're trying to ease into this,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just slamming, yes, we're ear holding you with this.

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Speaker 1: We are. We are losing dear Kyle, sweet sweet Kyle.

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Speaker 1: We're losing him to other things and it's gonna stink.

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Speaker 1: And actually, Paul, I was feeling a little bit bad

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Speaker 1: for you because we have one one gentleman who listens

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Speaker 1: to be upset that we're losing the wrong person. How

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Speaker 1: many nicknames does Kyle go by? There's young Kyle he

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Speaker 1: We Logan's run you. I know some of I know,

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard that one. Tall. Yeah, deceptively tall Kyle,

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Speaker 1: fine followers of Cardinals Underground a sincere apology for speaking

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Speaker 1: it into existence that when Kyle ostensibly allegedly was on

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Speaker 1: sort of like pop a ball of our ball right there.

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Speaker 1: We spoke it into existence. As it turns out, it

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Speaker 1: We'll get into the whole leadership thing. I think at

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Speaker 1: That's what this is. It is business. And I know

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Speaker 1: With Chandler Jones, when he's in the two fifties low

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Speaker 1: two sixties, he just seems to be a much better

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Speaker 1: and more effective past And you saw the media day photos.

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Speaker 1: He looked lean, he looked in good shape, and you

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Speaker 1: would expect him to just keep on working out in

432
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Speaker 1: the interim and knowing there's a lot of motivation for him.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's not team success as much as individual going

434
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Speaker 1: into a contract year, but he clearly feels like he's

435
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Speaker 1: still one of the best edge rushers in the NFL

436
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Speaker 1: and he wants to prove it. And knowing that when

437
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Speaker 1: you're thirty two, when you're an edge rusher, you can

438
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Speaker 1: still get that, you know, eighteen to twenty million dollars

439
00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 1: a year if you're performing well. So I think there's

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Speaker 1: a lot of internal motivation for him this season, and

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Speaker 1: I yeah, like Darren was saying earlier, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that will be an issue. Like he wants to put

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Speaker 1: up the sack numbers that will help the Cardinals, whether

444
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Speaker 1: he wants to do it for himself or the team,

445
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 1: but either way, if he's getting the quarterback, that's all

446
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Speaker 1: that matters. I don't expect him to get nearly as

447
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 1: double teamed as much as he did last year, and

448
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: that first month of last year just eyeballing it. I

449
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Speaker 1: don't know what the next gen stats say are pro

450
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Speaker 1: football focus, but he just seemed like he was getting

451
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Speaker 1: double two teamed more than ever. And now with a

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Speaker 1: Marcus Golden and a JJ Watt and the prospect of

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Speaker 1: in Isaiah Simmons coming and hopefully vance, Joseph has some

454
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Speaker 1: exotic schemes in mind to keep the offensive lines in

455
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Speaker 1: the past protections. Honest, they can't slide as much attention

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Speaker 1: to Chandler Jones, and I would think, I don't know,

457
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Speaker 1: if I'm fifty five, I'm motivated by that prospect as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think I think you're right. I think he'll

459
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Speaker 1: see more single up blocking than he has in a while.

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Speaker 1: And like last year. Hassan Radick ended up having a

461
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Speaker 1: big year, but he was an unknown early when Chandler

462
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Speaker 1: was still healthy. Dennis Gardeck wasn't, you know, on anybody's radar,

463
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Speaker 1: So there wasn't really another pass rusher that people were

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Speaker 1: super worried about, like you talked about earlier. It turned

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Speaker 1: out on the sacks that they got a lot, but

466
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Speaker 1: there wasn't this feared other rusher where JJ Watt when

467
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Speaker 1: he's on the field, clearly is going to get a

468
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Speaker 1: lot of attentions. Right, How dare I forget Dennis Gardeck?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know when he comes in and he's

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Speaker 1: eventually on the field and he busts out, they hit

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Speaker 1: the strobe sack down ants or turned the corner or

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Speaker 1: whatever he called the other one, whatever those two were.

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Speaker 1: I mean, boom, there's your seven sacks and ninety three

474
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Speaker 1: defensive snapsky, this situational pass rusher here he comes. And

475
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Speaker 1: by the way, it is amazing what you learned in

476
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Speaker 1: the mail bag. I did not know that he has

477
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Speaker 1: a tattoo of a bag of chips of a lace

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Speaker 1: potato bag on his shoulder. I'm just tappy of reading

479
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Speaker 1: a mail bag. I just I was intrigued by this,

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Speaker 1: and I actually looked it up and sure enough, there

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Speaker 1: it is. And his quote was, it's like a chip

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Speaker 1: on your shoulder, except I don't have one. I have

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Speaker 1: a whole bag. So he got a tat of a

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Speaker 1: lace potato chip bag on his shoulder. He's proud of

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Speaker 1: it too. You can just see that on his face, Like,

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Speaker 1: all right, Dennis, I mean, I mean, Darren, why the

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Speaker 1: hesitation he gets your own neck tattoo. When Dennis Gardeck

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Speaker 1: can have a tattoo of a lace potato bag on

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Speaker 1: his shoulder, I mean, you most definitely can go for

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Speaker 1: the neck tattoo. First of all, I thought the neck

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Speaker 1: tattoo thing went away when the sun's disappointed us. All No,

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Speaker 1: that's our segue into Larry Fitzgerald. Now it was your

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Speaker 1: neck tattoo brings us to I will say this, I

494
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Speaker 1: would never get a tattoo of a bag of potato chips.

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Speaker 1: I think that's it would clearly be a pringles can.

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Speaker 1: If you did get a neck tattoo, have you given

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Speaker 1: a thought what would it be? What would it be?

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Speaker 1: Come on, you must have had an initial thought or two.

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Speaker 1: If it wouldn't be a neck tattoo. But I will

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Speaker 1: I will drop this out there because it never look

501
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Speaker 1: for those who still care about this, and there's probably

502
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Speaker 1: like three of you, ye, three of them, and the

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Speaker 1: one believe it or not. I never said anything about

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Speaker 1: getting a tattoo. That was purely out of Lisa Matthew's

505
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Speaker 1: fictional mind, and I let it. I let it run.

506
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Speaker 1: But I will say as once the Suns went up

507
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: to nothing in the finals, it actually crossed my mind

508
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Speaker 1: that maybe I would do something. And I'm not going

509
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: to reveal what it was, but Larry O'Brien trophy, I

510
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 1: did have something in the back of my head that

511
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Speaker 1: I was considering now that I don't have to worry

512
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Speaker 1: about it, which is probably good. That's good. Well, you know,

513
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Speaker 1: Lisa's doing her job looking for good social media content,

514
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 1: you know, stuff that'll go viral, and so there he goes.

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Speaker 1: She got everybody's attention, including Larry Fitzgerald. That's what she did.

516
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Speaker 1: So what is the latest on Guardeck he's on pop Kyle, Yeah, okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: from what Cliff Kingsbury was saying late in the offseason,

518
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: he said he, you know, he hoped he could be

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Speaker 1: ready before when training camp started it if not likely

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00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,960
Speaker 1: soon thereafter. So we don't know exactly what that means,

521
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,760
Speaker 1: and who knows if that's true or not. But I

522
00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 1: think I think at this point you expect Dennis Gardeck

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00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 1: to get some sort of practice in training camp. So

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Speaker 1: where does that leave you on Larry Fitzgerald. By the way,

525
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: we got the perfunctory out of the way with Dennis Gardek.

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Speaker 1: It's not a surprise, Larry Fitzgerald. If he shows up,

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Speaker 1: it will be a surprise, right he Well, first of all,

528
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: as we sit here recording, he can't show up, Paul,

529
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: he has no contract yet. But I mean he goes

530
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: over and he meets with the owner of the team.

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Speaker 1: Was a docu sign. I mean, you know, I'm not

532
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 1: saying it couldn't happen quickly, but yeah, very I mean,

533
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: and there is an open roster spot as we sit here.

534
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 1: So in fact, did you see the guy. I don't

535
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Speaker 1: know if he responded to the team tweet about it

536
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:06,479
Speaker 1: or one of you guys I did. I couldn't help

537
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: but notice the first person to respond to a tweet

538
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Speaker 1: about the Lamont Gilliard news and the response tweet read

539
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: that opens up a roster spot for number eleven. I

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00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: did see that interesting dot dot dot. Well, do you

541
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: have ninety players? There's not hard. It's not hard to

542
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 1: open up a roster. Every time people read into that,

543
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,439
Speaker 1: it's like there's there's guys that you can release. Just

544
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: don't get rid of the second punter. Okay, give me,

545
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,119
Speaker 1: give us at least the first week of camp. I

546
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: want to see the second punter. That's all I'm saying

547
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: about that one over there, Kyle, I had to give

548
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 1: you a punter comment before you're on your way out

549
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 1: about that one. I can't wait to watch the competition

550
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: and go on at asy cardinals dot com for Paul

551
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 1: Paul's Daily Punter Competition update. Yeah, uh, make that a

552
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: running segment. You'll have at least question to the mailback.

553
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: And once again, the one guy who will respond to

554
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: that is John Bloom, and only John Bloom because he'll

555
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: be into the whole punting thing. So uh yeah, what

556
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: does anybody checked Larry's locker? Can I go back to

557
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 1: Larry's lockers? Take Gowan tweet on anything an update? Are

558
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: there still belongings in Larry's locker? And would that tell

559
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: us anything? One of you guys needs to go all

560
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,879
Speaker 1: CSI Cardinal's locker room to go figure this out. I

561
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: believe I talked on the podcast. I did do that

562
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: before vacation. It was all fine in there, and it

563
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,199
Speaker 1: was okay, it was intact. Well, I mean, if we're takers,

564
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: if we are to take everybody at their word, nobody

565
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: knows but Larry. And in fact, if we're taking Larry

566
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,199
Speaker 1: at his word, he hasn't made a decision yet, So

567
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: why would anybody have cleaned out a locker? Is he

568
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:35,359
Speaker 1: really waiting for an improved offer? Is this business? Is

569
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: this strictly business? Is he waiting for the offer that's

570
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 1: on the table to maybe get raised in someone? Is

571
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: he waiting for a happening in a training camp somewhere

572
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,360
Speaker 1: where someone loses one of their top receivers and all

573
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Speaker 1: of a sudden he's commanding more in the marketplace than

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Speaker 1: he is currently. I think the opportunity would make more

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Speaker 1: sense if somebody loses a receiver than the money side

576
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, if you look at it from

577
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: an unbiased perspective, he's not worth a lot of money.

578
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: Just I mean, he's got the legacy into the Cardinals,

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00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 1: he's worth money beyond the play, but he's not above

580
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: average receiver at this point in his career, So I

581
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 1: don't think people are going to be offering him five

582
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: million dollars a year anything. I think he's, if he

583
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Speaker 1: plays anywhere, be close to the minimum. And my and

584
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: my question is is he that guy? Is he going

585
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,040
Speaker 1: to be twenty nineteen Michael Crabtree for some of the team.

586
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 1: I just do that. No, probably not, although you know,

587
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 1: Dwight Freeney showed how it can be done, so he

588
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: set the template there of a way to go about things.

589
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: And you show up after training camp has done just

590
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: in time, and maybe those first two weeks are gone

591
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,720
Speaker 1: as well, and it's going to be a seventeen game

592
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 1: regular season. There's plenty of football to be played. Even

593
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: if you joined the team in September. I mean, it

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00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: wouldn't You've seen guys do it. It It wouldn't be a

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00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,560
Speaker 1: bad plan. But Fitz has talk so many times about

596
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: just wanting to play in Arizona and having you know

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00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: how he takes pride and playing for the one organization

598
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: through his whole career. So that's why I don't think

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00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: it'll happen like it from a pure football standpoint, I

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00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 1: could see why, you know, you would want somebody like

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00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: that to fill in. And it's almost like the Tremont

602
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: Williams situation a few years ago when they brought him in.

603
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: He did a nice job, veteran. You had a whole

604
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: Drey Kirkpatrick last year when somebody gets hurt. But I

605
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 1: just think from Fitz's point of view, he likes the

606
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: idea that he's played for one team his entire career

607
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: and do you want to play one more season for

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Speaker 1: somebody else at the end. I mean, more power to

609
00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: him if he does, but I just don't think he

610
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: wants to. Well, last we left you on Cardinals Underground,

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00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: brought to you by Pacific Office Automation, proud sponsor of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals. I believe my working theory was with

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00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: the only obvious spot left in the depth chart at

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00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: tight end, that since Larry'd been playing a lot of

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00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 1: golf and maybe doing the buffet circuit up to two

616
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: forty at this point exactly, and you know what, by design,

617
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: let yourself go. It's semi retirement. You know, all of

618
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,719
Speaker 1: a sudden, now boom there you're the flex tight end.

619
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Speaker 1: Because they never did replace Dan Arnold. Once upon a time,

620
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: he was the best blocking receiver in the game. We

621
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: all know that. Ask kJ Wright what that tastes like

622
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: from two years ago in Seattle when he trucked him

623
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Speaker 1: right before the goal line. Although lasting Larry would ever

624
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: want to be as a blocking tight end of any sort,

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Speaker 1: we know that, Darren. I'm excited for you to go

626
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: to Max Williams and training came and say, hey, hey, Max,

627
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Speaker 1: I know you're the starting tight end, as Paul Kalbsi

628
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: likes to call you the semi retired wide receiver. So

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Speaker 1: here's here's my new theory. I was gonna come up.

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Speaker 1: He's not gonna be a blocking tight end. He would

631
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 1: obviously be a receiving tight end. Just when you guys

632
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: thought I was Dan Arnold, because I'm at about two

633
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,880
Speaker 1: dozen of them so far to get us through the offseason,

634
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 1: I was fully prepared to come on and say, well,

635
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: what if AJ Green wasn't all that and a bag

636
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: of chips for the for the Arizona car at that

637
00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: receiver spot, what of AJ Green? Maybe you are ready

638
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: to put a fork in AJ Green. And that's what

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00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 1: Larry is waiting for, is an enhanced offer because the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals maybe aren't more need than they thought. But then

641
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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury reportedly went on the Pass Podcast and had

642
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: some very bullish things to say about aj Green the

643
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 1: yet to be released yet to be released, So this

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00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: is our little promotional tidbit. The Passpod will debut in

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00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,239
Speaker 1: the coming days and or weeks early here in the

646
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: Cardinals training camp calendar. And uh, it's going to be

647
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: some can't miss stuff because he's got some big names

648
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: lined up, big big names by Dave Pass exactly. So

649
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: there you go. Um, So that blew my theory out

650
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: of the water on that one. There. As for other

651
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: things that we're going to be watching things, you will

652
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: be able to see a training camp Kyle, uh from

653
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: afar from what are you going to be from the

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00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 1: stands after we revoke your media credential and any that's right,

655
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 1: Ky'll be starting fights in the stands. That's right. That's right, Kyle.

656
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: Don't think you're coming over the rail and getting on

657
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,680
Speaker 1: the field anymore. You stay up there, I'm gonna boo

658
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: the sideline reporter. I'll tell you that. That's right. Well,

659
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 1: you'll have to get in line. Who exactly or what exactly.

660
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: Once again, I know you're not following a narrative, but

661
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: you're following more than numbers. But if there was a

662
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: narrative you were following, or a storyline, if you will,

663
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: what would it be. I'm very interested to see how

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Speaker 1: the cornerbacks look and how they play. I think that's

665
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: gonna impact a huge portion of this season if they can,

666
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: you know, be decent enough to not be this hole

667
00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: on the back end, because it's arguably the most important

668
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: position on defense, and you have a lot of question

669
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: marks beyond Buyer Murphy. And you know, there's veterans and

670
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: they've shown they can do it in the past, but

671
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: I think all those guys have a few question marks

672
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: about them. And then is Buyer Murphy just gonna play slot?

673
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: Is gonna play outside? And slot when you're in base

674
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: is gonna play outside? So I think the cornerback situation

675
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,360
Speaker 1: to me is very interesting beyond Kyler, j J Watt,

676
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 1: Chandler Joe. I think those are like the big three

677
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: that you're you're kind of watching and seeing how those

678
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: guys are doing. But corners to me also is interesting

679
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 1: to me. Why why would you just like throw out

680
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: those other ones? Like they shouldn't count you know, some

681
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: of us those books too. I mean, look at the quarterback. Now,

682
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: it wasn't Kyler, it was gonna be jj Watt. Because essentially,

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00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: JJ Watt has spent a lot of his time, uh

684
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 1: last year with the Texans moving outside. He moved all around,

685
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: but he did a lot of stuff off the edge

686
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: for them the way they were they were playing, and

687
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: he's gonna be mostly inside the way they're gonna be

688
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: set up here, and this team is somebody who is

689
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: a team that has needed some inside push and and

690
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: how that fits with Chandler Jones and you know, Vance

691
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,720
Speaker 1: Joseph has talked a lot about how most of the

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00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: time they're going to be on opposite sides. You'll have

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Speaker 1: jj you know, kind of off you know, whatever it is,

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Speaker 1: three technique and on the other side will be Chandler Jones.

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00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: And however they line that up. But I am very

696
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: curious to see how much of an impact JJ Watt

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00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: can have right away and how that impacts that whole

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00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: front seven right there. And I'm down with that, considering

699
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: though we don't get full pads in full contact until

700
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: about a week in the camp, and we'll actually be

701
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: recording another Cardinals underground before that, I'm gonna go with

702
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,360
Speaker 1: those positions that you can actually glean something from without

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00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: full contact, So I'm with Kyle on that. On the corners,

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00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 1: I want to see the two young corners. Can they

705
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 1: hang with some of the better receivers. Will they get

706
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: matched up against the DeAndre Hopkins or the quickness of

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00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 1: Rondel Moore? Can they hang? Can they cover? Because you

708
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: know what, if you're on an island in a full

709
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,719
Speaker 1: contact game, it's much like being on an island when

710
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: you're in shorts. Can you cover? Can you not? Obviously

711
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little more physical and you're gonna

712
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: have to worry about the press and all that. The

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00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: other thing I'm watching, I want to see James Conner

714
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: and just how he moves. What does he look like.

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00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: We know he as a track record or breaking tackles

716
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: and being a physical runner, but he's still only twenty six,

717
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: twenty seven years of age. He's not that old. I

718
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 1: know in running back years, you know it's like dog years, etc.

719
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Speaker 1: But he's not really been close to thirty years of age.

720
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: He only has four years in the NFL. So if healthy,

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00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 1: I'm curious Kenny make the first tackler miss. Does he

722
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: still have that in him? Or is he more of

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00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,840
Speaker 1: a straight ahead, you know, plowing fullback type two hundred

724
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Speaker 1: and thirty eight pound running back type guy or is

725
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: he someone they could use on him or every down basis.

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00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: I think that's a good question. Although it's funny when

727
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,959
Speaker 1: you bring that up, because I listened to our good

728
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: friend Ron Wolfley recently and again he went back to

729
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: the whole the NFL is cyclical, and he kept he's

730
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: implying once again that somehow the league is going to

731
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: end up as a running league again, and it's just

732
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: does he not know that that's never gonna happen. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: I think James Connor is who he is. I think

734
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: he's the big back who's gonna get the short yardage.

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00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: I don't think he's the guy that's going to make

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00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: people miss in space a bunch. I think he'll he'll

737
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: truck you and get an extra two yards, which is

738
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 1: a valuable player. But I think I think Chase Edmonds

739
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: is the more explosive running back among those two. I

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00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: think James Connor has a very you know, penciled in roll,

741
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: But I don't think he's gonna be the guy who

742
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: you run on the outside and or swing the ball

743
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: too and hope he makes guys miss. I don't think

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00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: that's his game. I think he's definitely a between the

745
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 1: tackles runner. And I'm interested in Rondelle more too, like

746
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: if hopefully I can get some suppruter film or something

747
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: and see how he's doing a camp if I'm not there,

748
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: But like, can he make an impact early on in

749
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,240
Speaker 1: this season, because I think he's super dynamic, But every

750
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: rookie receiver or even every rookie in general, takes a while.

751
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: So can he already give this offense that missing element

752
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: that I don't think it's been there the last two

753
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: seasons with the jet sweeps and some of the yards

754
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: after catch stuff. I think they've been missing that and

755
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: I think the Rondel Moore is clearly the guy that

756
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 1: can be that. But can he do it as a rookie?

757
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: Can he do it in the first half of the season, Kyle,

758
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're aware of, but their twelve

759
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: open practices in training camp. If he want to go

760
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: to Easycardinals dot com backslash training camp, you can find

761
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: the ability to get seats for open practices. That's open everybody. Now,

762
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 1: it's good that's allowed to tweet from the from the stands. Yeah,

763
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: you can do whatever you want from the stands. I

764
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: would be yeah, you guys gonna you guys gonna retweet

765
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: me to tweet you? Are you gonna have a burner account?

766
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: Sort of the sawt off opinions of Kyle odeguard you

767
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: should you should have anymore they have, They have drunk

768
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: opinions of Kyles. He's up there with another beverage in

769
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: his hand, so yeah, I can just let him fly. Paul.

770
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: Let me tell you you're gonna regret and rue the

771
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: day you didn't stick around for this season, Kyle, because

772
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: you couldn't use the headline I Andy when Andy isabel

773
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: blows it up, when Rondel Moore pushes Andy Isabelle at

774
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: a greatness and all of a sudden, he's the guy

775
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: that nobody can lay a hand on, and you're not

776
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:51,240
Speaker 1: able to use I Andy in one of your sidebar

777
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: stories on asy Cardinals dot com. He'll tweet it. That's

778
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: when the reality's gonna hit home, that little I'm gonna

779
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make the the commitment right now, Paul, that

780
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: I will, I will, I will use my considerably considerable

781
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: influence in this organization to get some freelance money for

782
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: Kyle to make a podcast appearance. Rump or rump. That's good. No,

783
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 1: that's good. What about the old line, because last we

784
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 1: saw on flight Plan, did you hear the threat and

785
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: not so veiled threat from Seawan Kugler at the end

786
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: of the recent edition of flight Plan where he lost

787
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: the old line cookoff? And uh he said, and to

788
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: quote loosely, you're voting is going to impact the depth trunk.

789
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: That's only fair. That's what he told the guys in

790
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,400
Speaker 1: the room because his veal meatballs lost up to the

791
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: bacon rap meat loaf and G. J. Humphrey's banana pudding.

792
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: Millions of dollars of salaries. I mean, all this stuff

793
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: that comes down to just did you beat me in

794
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: a cookoff? And that's why he got demoted. I think

795
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: that's completely fair. That's right. So don't beat your coach

796
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: and the cookoff. What he should have done is just

797
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: having audited the election is what he should have done.

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00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: And then, just Paul, before we move on from banana pudding,

799
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: do you remember the Big d The Big Red Rage

800
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 1: a few years ago. Carlos Stansby, we played the h

801
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: He made Instagram videos while he was in Cleveland of

802
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 1: him whipping up some banana pudding. Right, and let's just

803
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: say he had a icy beverage in a cup. But

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00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 1: that cup had whose likeness on it, Carlos Stansby, that's right.

805
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: He had his own cup. He had his own You know,

806
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: at the stadium they put a player's face on the cup.

807
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: He had his own cup. Well, I wouldn't you sure?

808
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: And we're pretty sure the cup had an adult beverage

809
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: in it because it was a lengthy cooking lesson and

810
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: he was definitely a little more lubricated by the end

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00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 1: of teaching us all how to make banana putting on

812
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving morning. See, we should have we should have alumni

813
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: banana pudding versus current player banana. And they brought him

814
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 1: back after that, So it must have been good. That's right,

815
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: that's right. It all comes back to the that's right.

816
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: So what they're really saying, coach Coogler is good thing

817
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: Carlos Stansby was in the room because you would have

818
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: finished fourth. That's what they're really saying. Off the metal

819
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: hashtager can always get worse. So what else? Was there

820
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: anything else we're looking at in camp here? Gentleman was

821
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 1: at the full gamut? That's it? Is everything really that settled?

822
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: Are there really? Is there really that well a plocity

823
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: of position battles? I mean, we don't. We don't want

824
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: something right. There's always stuff to talk about, but we

825
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 1: also have an entire training camp to talk Paul, and

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00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: now there's gonna be one less person talking about it, Son,

827
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: But I mean, all right, I think I am curious

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00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: as as Kyle mentioned the right guard situation, you know,

829
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: to see kind of how that that filters out. I

830
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: wonder if the if the release of Lamont Galliard, who

831
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: was not a big name, but I thought he was

832
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,520
Speaker 1: going to be the backup center and potentially a reserve guard,

833
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,279
Speaker 1: and now he's out of the equation. Did somebody did

834
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: something happen where he just hasn't made the progress, or

835
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: did somebody really catch their eye or because they signed uh,

836
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, because they signed the guards that they did,

837
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: or what Josh Jones has done? A guard that you

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00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: you want to keep Max Garcia around and he's basically

839
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: your center now backup center. I don't. I don't know.

840
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: I think that's I think those are great questions to

841
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: kind of pay attention to. Do you think Ryan Winners

842
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 1: really is going to get a run for his money,

843
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 1: whether Justin Murray or a Josh Jones. Yeah, I mean

844
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, Bryan Winners didn't start all last season.

845
00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:11,280
Speaker 1: I don't. I think he end up losing his starting

846
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: job near the end of the season. And it's not

847
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 1: like he's making a lot of money. I mean, the

848
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: one thing that kind of gets lost. I think of

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00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: Denard a little bit on the other side of the

850
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: ball at cornerback. I mean, do I think there's a

851
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,399
Speaker 1: good chance those guys end up on the roster? Yeah?

852
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: Probably do. I think it's a lock. I absolutely don't

853
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: think it's a necessarily a lock, because you do have

854
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: some numbers, and that happens every year where there's a

855
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: there's a veteran or two with a name that you

856
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 1: recognize that does not make it out of camp. I

857
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: remember when this team signed Max Starks and he was

858
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: on for he was in camp and he didn't he

859
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: got released during camp and it was somebody when they signed.

860
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, there's at least some depth, and then

861
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: he didn't even make the team. And you can go back.

862
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: Every year there's at least one or two name guys,

863
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: name guys air quotes that that might not necessarily make

864
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: it because they're just not making enough. If they're just

865
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 1: making minimum, you can get out of it fairly easily.

866
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 1: So we'll see what happened. And the way this traditionally

867
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: works is the scouts are in attendance the first week

868
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 1: at camp and everyone's evaluating, right, and if if there's

869
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,320
Speaker 1: an outlier, like, oh boy, something happened. We were counting

870
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: on this guy, and this guy obviously has lost a

871
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: step or five, and then they'll make a move. Typically

872
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: we do get a kid time sign into camp, yeah,

873
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: or not before camp necessarily, but early in camp because

874
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: they've sort of gotten an eyeball of okay, yep, this

875
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: guy still guys it has it or that guy does not.

876
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 1: Your problem is the fact that because of the way

877
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: the CBA is constructed now, there is no I mean

878
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,399
Speaker 1: they're they're in we're in camp for like a week

879
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,600
Speaker 1: before there's even a padded practice like and you may

880
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: had mentioned that earlier, I mean even cornerbacks. Yeah, you're

881
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: gonna tell a lot less from defense and offensive lineman.

882
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 1: But technically, cornerbacks aren't even allowed to put their hand

883
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: ends on a receiver for like five days. So if

884
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,919
Speaker 1: you're a physical corner like Malcolm Butler, you can't play

885
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: your games. So I don't I don't know how much

886
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna learn in that first week. It's going to

887
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: be very interesting and every team's got to kind of

888
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 1: figure that out. But I agree with you. I think

889
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: they're going to sort through that, and that does happen.

890
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 1: There are players that I remember, not to bring up

891
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: bad stuff, but Dorian Johnson, the offensive lineman, who is

892
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: I think a fourth round pick. Whenever that he nobody's

893
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: gonna remember him because he didn't even make it out

894
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: of camp. They didn't have great things to say about

895
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,879
Speaker 1: him after the offseason stuff privately, not publicly, of course,

896
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: but they got into training camp and everybody knew, like

897
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: after like a week or two, this guy just wasn't it. Well,

898
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: they get a tight end, that'll be a questions. Tight

899
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: ends a great point and like you know, CJ two

900
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: K came in during camp. Trey Boston was right on

901
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: the eve of camp Tremont Williams. Like we've talked about

902
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: like legit veterans that it can plug in and be

903
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: a player within the rotation right away. So I think

904
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: tight end is the glaring need where you could sign

905
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: somebody who's who's a pretty good player. If these undrafted guys,

906
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: or if Darrell Daniels isn't your number two, yeah, bring

907
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: in either a number two or a or a number one. Yeah.

908
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: But I think tight end is the clear spot. Kyle,

909
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: you're on your way out. You can say it. We're

910
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: ow to tight end. Cliff Kingsbury made it known in

911
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: the off season yet to expect some action to tight end.

912
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: Where is it we're ow to tight end? I agree

913
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: with you. I don't know where he is, but well

914
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: you and you wonder a little bit about what the

915
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: I mean. Another part of this oftentimes is like are

916
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: the players trying to hold out for a better situation

917
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: and or more money. If you're on the free agent

918
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: market right now, and maybe they do have a tight

919
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: end they like out there that they wanted to sign.

920
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: The guy just is asking for more money than they

921
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: have an interest in paying right sure, or maybe the

922
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: Eagles want too much for zach Ertz. Then they have

923
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: to make a decision. Are we paying him eight million

924
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: dollars this year or not? Yeah? I don't. I don't

925
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: know if it's the trade consideration as much as the salary.

926
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 1: Zach Ertz. By the way, did you see my new favorite?

927
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 1: By the way, you guys some we have to we

928
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,319
Speaker 1: have to get to I'm gonna see if I can

929
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 1: get to Bruno LaBelle Bruno, not Patti LaBelle Bruno, LaBelle

930
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,759
Speaker 1: story on him? Okay, And did you see we're the

931
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 1: one who embedded the video in your story? Yes, from

932
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 1: Cincinnati the Bearcats, when he was talking about his spoons,

933
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: the spoons. Yes, Is that for real or is he

934
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: putting us on? He said in the video he's talking

935
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 1: to teammates and they're sitting on the bench ostensibly during

936
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 1: a break in practice, and guys are asking him about

937
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: his spoon collection. He says he has over five hundred

938
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: spoons in his collection. Why does that surprise you? My

939
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 1: grandmother had a spoon collection. A spoon collection. Yeah, you

940
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 1: never I've heard a plane the spoons. Okay, so a

941
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: spoon collection you've never seen? He said. He mostly eats

942
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: with a spoon. He doesn't even use a fork. He's

943
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,560
Speaker 1: like anti fork. Well, I can't speak to what he's actually,

944
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: he's like my grandmother. They were they're like decorative spoons,

945
00:45:57,880 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: and you would hang him on the wall and they

946
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: were like small, little tiny ones. And oftentimes you get

947
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: them if you like went to another country, and then

948
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: you could get one with like a the flag or

949
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: something from that country. That's what I took it to mean.

950
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're using them for I mean

951
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: in general dinner time. I mean, off the top of

952
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 1: my head. You got a tablespoon, you got a teaspoon,

953
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 1: you got a soupspoon, you got a baby spoon. I

954
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: got four weatherspoon, sean weatherspoon. You know. I mean, you

955
00:46:24,280 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta spark. But a spork isn't a spoon.

956
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if that you can put a spark

957
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: into a into a spoon collection, But how do you

958
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: end up with over five hundred kinds of spoons? I mean,

959
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: I gotta see this. This is a visual. Where are

960
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,919
Speaker 1: the cameras and Bruno LaBelle and his spoon collection? Where

961
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: is the camera on you right now? Going then deep

962
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: into a plan? I want to know if this is

963
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna make the next edition of Flight Plan because this

964
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: is a musty type of content thing. This is why

965
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 1: they don't need another tight end. They learned about his

966
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: pension for spoons and realize that translates to the field.

967
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: Is there anything about it? I don't know. I was

968
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: just impressed with the way you rattled off all the

969
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: different spoons. It's like you've been saving that. I got

970
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: good energy. I'm going into camp. You know, if this

971
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: is December and I'm worn down, then you know, maybe

972
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: I can't bring it like this. But boom, I'm ready

973
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: to go with this. You're vaccinated, right, That's right. LaBelle

974
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 1: might have the inside scoop on the tight ends. If

975
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: you ask, oh, there you go ice cream? No, okay?

976
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,720
Speaker 1: Is an ice cream scoop a spoon? Typically it's a sandwich.

977
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: How about a oh serving spoon? That's five? I got

978
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: five serving spoon? Okay? So ladle wa so ladle a spoon?

979
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: So okay, I can't I'm gonna do you realize that,

980
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,399
Speaker 1: like the last thing Kyle's I'm gonna remember about Kyle

981
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,759
Speaker 1: Cardinals Underground, not Kyle Underground. Cardinals Underground is gonna be

982
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: about spoon. Yeah, I'm gonna tell eybody. Just fast forward

983
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: to the forty five minute mark. If you want your

984
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: spoons talk, you know, I could, I could save that.

985
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 1: Make you think of another thing Paul. Paul had mentioned

986
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 1: the backup punter, the second punter. His name Tyler Knewsome

987
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:58,439
Speaker 1: out of Notre Dame. Yeah he's got a great flow. Yeah,

988
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 1: he's got the hockey hair. I just happened to be

989
00:48:02,680 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 1: looking a scroll in the Graham as the kids say

990
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: last week, and I saw, out of all people, Luis

991
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: send Day has former NFL kicker, he had He has

992
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 1: a football field in his backyard with goalposts, and he

993
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: has kicking camps all free for local high school kids,

994
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: college and even pros. Matt Prator and Tyler Newsome were

995
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: out there, nothing, you know, out of the ordinary. They

996
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 1: were just working on their skills. Newsome was holding for

997
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: Praytor oh, buddying up a little bit more. Maybe, However,

998
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: the thing that was bizarro land I was looking, I'm like,

999
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: what's that In the background, he has like twenty live

1000
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: chickens just roaming the field. So talk about distraction, you know,

1001
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: that's you know, Prator's working on his focus. Go to

1002
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: Luisen Day Has's house and you've got chickens roaming around

1003
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: his backyard where in NFL kicker honing his craft to

1004
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: the crowd. I thought it was I thought it was

1005
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: quite interesting. I thought you're gonna say classic cars because

1006
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: the leasing day House is an avid car collector and

1007
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:10,360
Speaker 1: car restorer. So but chickens. Okay, he has a huge backyard.

1008
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just the NFL. This is the NFL, Right,

1009
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: you go, Let's go work on some kicks with about

1010
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 1: twenty chickens rumming around. That's right. The reason Kyle is

1011
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:23,080
Speaker 1: pulling the plug is because he's gonna look real bad

1012
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: at the end of camp when my whole punter theory

1013
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: comes true. So he's been belittling me, mocking me. Yeah,

1014
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: I don't care that they say. I don't care that

1015
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: they signed a guy. Just didn't think they're gonna draft one. Well,

1016
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: go ahead and sign whoever you want for the minimum.

1017
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 1: That's cool. And you realize what was a late six round,

1018
00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: early seven round. There was a run on long snappers

1019
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: twenty one drafts, so why not punters. That's why I'm hoping.

1020
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,359
Speaker 1: I think it was take gall and that was taking

1021
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,320
Speaker 1: like one pick right after I do hope he becomes

1022
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,839
Speaker 1: the Tom Brady of corners, and the people that chose

1023
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: the long snapper one pick before they're gonna feel real

1024
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: bad instead of a six one corner who can run exactly. Yeah,

1025
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,439
Speaker 1: that's a by the way, since you're not gonna be there, Kyle.

1026
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: On the first day of media availability, Cliff Kingsbury's gonna

1027
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: have a big group of media members around him. Kyler

1028
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,759
Speaker 1: Murray's gonna have a big media scrum, and then I'll

1029
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: be the guy over there talking to Bruno La Belle.

1030
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 1: How many spoons exactly? I'll be getting that. I can

1031
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,439
Speaker 1: only think of five that'll be made. Does a label

1032
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: count because you know what I've done all the football stuff,

1033
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? At this point until total

1034
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: regular season, I'd rather hear about the spoons. Then you go, Tyler, wait, wait,

1035
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk to you after I'm doing Bruno Andy

1036
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: Lee Wait, wait all right, So apparently at this point

1037
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna save myself where there's any credibility left At

1038
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: this point, Kyle's anything you want to say, you know,

1039
00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: any sort of speech you had prepared here at the

1040
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 1: end of this Cardinals Underground, And by the way, I

1041
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,839
Speaker 1: should mention that this year's Hall of Fame inductions. Did

1042
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: you see they put a limit on the speeches. The

1043
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: length of speeches they did six minutes. Snipers, They're gonna

1044
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: have snipers, and if you get to eight minutes, then

1045
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: they go with the Academy Awards style orchestra music, and

1046
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: then somebody tries to usher you off, to which Peyton

1047
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: Manning joked, I'm good luck trying to some of these

1048
00:51:00,440 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: former old linemen off the stage, really, you know, so,

1049
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,919
Speaker 1: but you know, any parting words from Kyle odor Guard

1050
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:07,879
Speaker 1: here on this final edition of Cardinals on a ground

1051
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: at least for Kyle, Well, at first I thought you

1052
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: were going to say you're gonna try to induct me

1053
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:12,800
Speaker 1: into the Hall of Fame. So I thought that was

1054
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: very nice. You know, take his car keys. I think,

1055
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: you know, like what I said in the beginning, where

1056
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: this has been a really fun part of the job.

1057
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Speaker 1: You know, I grew up a writer and always thought

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Speaker 1: and all the multimedia that it's turned into. But it's

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Speaker 1: it's a fun medium to get into more in depth conversations,

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Speaker 1: more nuanced conversations. I mean, you you put anything out

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, and so many people react to one or

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Speaker 1: two lines and we can actually come here and speak

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Speaker 1: for forty five minutes. And I appreciate this type of

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Speaker 1: conversation where you can get into more in depth stuff

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Speaker 1: and debate leadership for thirty minutes if we have to.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I've just I've I've enjoyed it

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Speaker 1: a lot, and I appreciate everybody that's listened. I think

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Speaker 1: we've we have a acted a good audience and people

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Speaker 1: who really enjoy listening to us every week. So I'm

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Speaker 1: glad to have been a part of that. And I'm

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Speaker 1: excited for you guys and getting a new third member

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Speaker 1: at some point and seeing if they like analytics. We'll

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Speaker 1: see that's on Darren. Yeah, big shoes to fill, Darren.

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Speaker 1: But one requirement. Yeah, that's uh, look at that. For

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Speaker 1: the first time ever, Kyle is actually using a plastic

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Speaker 1: cup over there. He's got like a solo cup over there.

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Speaker 1: What exactly is in that cup? Usually it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a bottled water which he cracks to start the podcast,

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Speaker 1: a clear liquid. I'll say it's water. H you know,

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Speaker 1: I got three hours left, Paul based you know, basically

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Speaker 1: this did whatever I want. This podcast has gone the

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Speaker 1: way of a Carlos Stansby cooking lesson on Thanksgiving morning.

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Speaker 1: There was there was a beginning and an end. There

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Speaker 1: were two different people by the time you got to

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Speaker 1: the very end, and the only constant was what was

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Speaker 1: there was a cup was something in huge. That's huge, Kyle.

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Speaker 1: It's been our pleasure. Thank you for everything, and uh

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Speaker 1: in particular the disagreements. Okay, that's what I'll remember. That's

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Speaker 1: what I'll definitely remember most and near fisticuffs. Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: If only we had a slide for you to go down,

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Speaker 1: as like the Dolphins do with their new training complex

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Speaker 1: to get from the locker room down to the first

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Speaker 1: floor weight room. They have a big thirty foot slide

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Speaker 1: for the players to use. That is a that's a

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Speaker 1: true story. By the way, it's an actual slide they've installed.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty cool. So do they build one here. I'll

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Speaker 1: come back and slide down. It's right. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if it's a locker room or a firehouse. We'll talk

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Speaker 1: to Mattie. I've jokingly said they need a fire poll

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Speaker 1: from the third floor to the bottom, but you know,

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Speaker 1: be hard to get back up. That's right, So that's fair, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right, no answers on Larry, but we got one

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Speaker 1: on Kyle ot to go, so all the best on

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Speaker 1: the rest of your career. Kyle appreciate it. Thanks guys

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