Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke, Chicago Jack. We've been We've
Speaker 1: been waiting on this one for a minute. Man, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna give you the honest because this is another part
Speaker 1: we might have the biggest the podcast with the most
Speaker 1: class of ninety six motherfuckers on it.
Speaker 2: Never yeah, man, And this is also one of the
Speaker 2: most name dropped individuals on our show. For me, this
Speaker 2: is special, man, because it's somebody when I always talk
Speaker 2: about Cobd's somebody that I admire, just like I admired
Speaker 2: Kobe growing up growing up in Texas. You know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't seeing as much as these other guys, but I
Speaker 2: knew all the guys in my class who I was
Speaker 2: coming up with, and I had a chance to meet
Speaker 2: them growing up, and a lot of guys who I
Speaker 2: idolized as a youngster I still idolize to this day.
Speaker 2: And the guy that's on our show today is somebody
Speaker 2: who I consider my brother, somebody who was a big
Speaker 2: part of motivating all of us in our class to
Speaker 2: be great, somebody who led our class, and somebody who
Speaker 2: still deserves its flowers today.
Speaker 3: And that's why I.
Speaker 2: Wanted him on the show so we can give him
Speaker 2: his Flowers, so we can let the world know and
Speaker 2: him know how much we love and respect him and
Speaker 2: honor to have him on the show today. Baby Jordans
Speaker 2: the original Baby Jordan Ronnie Fields, my brother, my brother real, you.
Speaker 3: Know that probably my best introduction.
Speaker 1: That was somebody on the show. So we got we
Speaker 1: got to lacrosse. Bobcats on the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never never heard that before.
Speaker 1: CBA nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 2: Bro fresh out of high school, still trying to our
Speaker 2: journeys went a little different.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: If we would have ended high school on the right note,
Speaker 4: we probably would have went straight out of high school,
Speaker 4: but we had to take a little to the CBA,
Speaker 4: which was good for us though, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 4: because for me, I didn't know my my career was going.
Speaker 4: But that was a humbling experience. What was it for you?
Speaker 4: I think the same as well, for you know, especially
Speaker 4: looking at all the guys that was in our class
Speaker 4: and the opportunity, especially when you're one of those players.
Speaker 4: Like for me, it was just like after the accident,
Speaker 4: that was one of the biggest things because you don't
Speaker 4: know exactly you know physically, how you're gonna respond and
Speaker 4: come back, and I think for me, it took a
Speaker 4: while for me just to mentally, you know, that that
Speaker 4: hurdle and just be aggressive like I was before, because
Speaker 4: you know, you're dealing with something. Even at NBA pre draft,
Speaker 4: I never forget this. And I was talking to Timmy
Speaker 4: that year and when you go, you know how it is,
Speaker 4: you go see all those team doctors and that was
Speaker 4: fresh right out the like that surgery, like trying to
Speaker 4: get right back into it, and they started messing with
Speaker 4: the you know, my neck and you trying to like
Speaker 4: be as strong as possible, and seemed like six NBA
Speaker 4: team doc because it was just like cruelly the way
Speaker 4: they was like pulling on and snatching on. And I
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, hurt, Yeah it was. It was still bothering.
Speaker 4: And then I didn't even go and even work out
Speaker 4: after that. I had to be out for maybe like
Speaker 4: a week and go back and see the doctor had
Speaker 4: after just checking it after that, yeah, yeah, And so
Speaker 4: it took me some time to get over because you know,
Speaker 4: ideas back then it was physical. You go over, you
Speaker 4: get hit one time across here, you know, because I
Speaker 4: was close to be in paralyzed. So that's what another
Speaker 4: thing was playing on my mind for a while, even
Speaker 4: trying to continue your career.
Speaker 1: I want to jump I'm gonna jump ahead and we'll
Speaker 1: go back to where we're at. But let's let's get
Speaker 1: you know February twenty six, nineteen ninety six, two days.
Speaker 3: Before your birthday.
Speaker 1: Walk us through what happened and how that changed.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: That shit hurt me, Bro, Yeah, I think that was
Speaker 4: one of the craziest things that there was one of
Speaker 4: the players on the team. We just fin the regular season.
Speaker 4: It was a huge game too that night, so we're
Speaker 4: getting ready to go into the playoffs and one of
Speaker 4: the players was like, all right, I'm gonna stay out
Speaker 4: there with you, and I said, okay, you asks your mom.
Speaker 4: So by the time we got out there, it's like
Speaker 4: about ten to eleven o'clock and now where I'm at
Speaker 4: he was way south. So I'm driving back that way
Speaker 4: and I'm around about twelve to drop him off. She's like, no,
Speaker 4: I'll bring on, So I take him back. So now
Speaker 4: I'm on my way back here. One of my friends
Speaker 4: like just stay here. I'm like, nah, I should be good.
Speaker 3: I can make it.
Speaker 4: Started raining and I never forget coming down this ramp.
Speaker 4: I still ride past it to today, and you couldn't
Speaker 4: see a pothole like this bed. It was filled with water,
Speaker 4: but like the rain coming down. I never forget it
Speaker 4: was the driver aside Tier hit that hole and it
Speaker 4: was a bridge about sixty miles an hour of head spent,
Speaker 4: boom raging to the wall. The only thing I realized
Speaker 4: is that moment I blacked out, I end up in
Speaker 4: the back seat.
Speaker 3: Just like this.
Speaker 4: So then after that wall off a little bit, now
Speaker 4: it's like twelve forty five in the morning, nobody out.
Speaker 4: So then I'm like okay, still in shock, not realizing
Speaker 4: you know how bad I was cut and bleeding because
Speaker 4: the rain, So you're just thinking that's what that is.
Speaker 4: And then I go to like see, I see a
Speaker 4: Sema truck on the other side of the highway coming,
Speaker 4: so I go over to try to like flag down.
Speaker 4: He's seen me at the last second and almost hit me,
Speaker 4: so I just like move out and then like as
Speaker 4: I started walking away from it, Cosmo coming. Then I
Speaker 4: remember three guys getting off work in a white van
Speaker 4: and then I started walking back to the car and
Speaker 4: they was like before they looked up and looked in
Speaker 4: my face. They looked around in the car and then like, hey,
Speaker 4: you know it was in this accident. I was like me.
Speaker 4: Then they looked up and they was like oh wow.
Speaker 4: So they took me and just laid me down in
Speaker 4: the back of the van. Then the state troopers came
Speaker 4: and stuff, and he was able to get one of
Speaker 4: those boards he had and put me on there, and
Speaker 4: then the avalance came and I got there and I
Speaker 4: realized how serious it was, and then it hit the news.
Speaker 4: It was about four in the morning, so I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: we're getting ready for the playoffs and get ready to
Speaker 4: break the record for Illinois. And I'm thinking like, okay,
Speaker 4: I'll be okay and realize how bad it was until
Speaker 4: like they had to get me down to Northwestern from Elmerst.
Speaker 4: And then I go in there and like the good
Speaker 4: part about that moment is being young and naive as
Speaker 4: a kid. It not knowing this could be in your career.
Speaker 4: You can be done. So I'm in there and the
Speaker 4: doctor coming there. It so happened to be Kevin first
Speaker 4: Kevin first year, and the next day they was coming
Speaker 4: to play the Bulls, and then you know when all
Speaker 4: it hit the news man it was just one of
Speaker 4: those things where I still was in a mindset even
Speaker 4: though they're cooking me up to all these things, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, I know I'm gonna be able to go
Speaker 4: back and play in two days. Doctor Caman that was like, no,
Speaker 4: it's gonna be out for a while. It's gonna take
Speaker 4: a time for you to heal. You should be okay.
Speaker 4: And I think being young at that time going through
Speaker 4: those things, I think for me that helped me get
Speaker 4: through it because you were like when you're young, you
Speaker 4: like kid, you go out and hurt yourself, you know,
Speaker 4: and had things that happen. You're like, you'll be all right,
Speaker 4: but not to the magnitude of like being a player
Speaker 4: you are and what you was able to do or create.
Speaker 4: And then when they put me in this thing so
Speaker 4: almost like a casket thing with this weight connected, so
Speaker 4: I was it makes you know, I guess for the
Speaker 4: you know, for my neck to kind of stay stabilized,
Speaker 4: they had me this thing. It would look to weird.
Speaker 4: So I'm sleeping and I wake up and I see
Speaker 4: Kevin Wright like leaning over me, and he broke down,
Speaker 4: and at that moment, I'm like, man, this must be
Speaker 4: batter than then I you know, I thought, and then
Speaker 4: like I said, you have Bob costs a lot of
Speaker 4: people calling. I'm thinking, like I'll be able to play
Speaker 4: in it, and the dog's like no time soon. So
Speaker 4: just see all the people that reached out at that moment.
Speaker 4: If that would have happened to me, probably when I
Speaker 4: was maybe twenty seven, I don't think I would have
Speaker 4: been able to be strong enough to get through it.
Speaker 4: To get through that.
Speaker 1: So what did doctor actually say? What happened? And as
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, were close to being paralyzed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he just was like, look, I refused these three
Speaker 4: bones in the back of your neck, and you should
Speaker 4: be a good and put a plate. So what they
Speaker 4: had to do is at the time to get that
Speaker 4: bone they had to basically cut off some of my
Speaker 4: hip to fuse my neck. And from that point it
Speaker 4: was more like how in the world I, you know,
Speaker 4: come back from this? Only thing went through my head
Speaker 4: even laying in the bed. I think that was the
Speaker 4: first time I think I crabbed when I seen them
Speaker 4: put the team getting ready in the playoffs, so they've
Speaker 4: got the TV in the room and watching them, and
Speaker 4: then seeing the pavilion was sold out, with all these
Speaker 4: fans and people importing in my little brother at the
Speaker 4: time and my jersey at the end the bench, and
Speaker 4: this one of the most emotional times I think that
Speaker 4: ever happened in my life. And then like when I
Speaker 4: was able to get out of the hospital and I
Speaker 4: ain't made appearance in a while, but I had that
Speaker 4: hatlo mm hmm. I go up to the school with
Speaker 4: the hate lo and he was like, all right, this
Speaker 4: dude moved.
Speaker 1: How far removed from the accident?
Speaker 4: Were you bad? Probably about like three weeks ship.
Speaker 1: So I want to back up real quick though, in
Speaker 1: the midst of the accident and getting out of the car,
Speaker 1: were you just kind of still in shock and you're
Speaker 1: able Did you feel the pain yet? And you're just
Speaker 1: gonna move around? Didn't know what?
Speaker 4: Didn't know what was? That was the only thing that
Speaker 4: probably liked because he was like, this is the thing
Speaker 4: that probably scared me after the doctor told me. He's like,
Speaker 4: you could have moved the wrong way and you've been
Speaker 4: paralyzed life. So I think the thing for me when
Speaker 4: I look back at that, and I always say today
Speaker 4: when I speak the young kids, and I understand the
Speaker 4: situation like life after basketball when I was talking to
Speaker 4: you guys about the opportunities, was like, when I look
Speaker 4: back at that accident and I say, everybody's journeys could
Speaker 4: be different. I said, I had three choices that could
Speaker 4: have came out of there and looked really bad. I said,
Speaker 4: It's only one was good. The other two was awful.
Speaker 4: I could either died in that or be paralyzed or
Speaker 4: still been able to come back and play basketball. So
Speaker 4: out of the three, I ended up getting the best one.
Speaker 4: The other two was was that close as well.
Speaker 2: I'm I'm I'm super emotional, broke because you know our relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and this is my first time actually hearing the story
Speaker 2: from you. You know what I'm saying, And like nobody
Speaker 2: deserved to be drafted and to be in the league
Speaker 2: more than you and our class.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. And like that's why I
Speaker 3: mean motion, because I know how much it meant to you.
Speaker 3: I know how much you deserved it, and like this
Speaker 3: is like my first time hearing you tell this story.
Speaker 2: Like we talked, you know what I'm saying, but like
Speaker 2: as close as we were growing up in the same class,
Speaker 2: Like it's just touching to me to hear you talk
Speaker 2: about it because I know you deserve you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying everything more.
Speaker 4: About you know, and watching like you know, even like
Speaker 4: all the guys in that class at the time, and
Speaker 4: you know, and I'm watching that even with Bib and
Speaker 4: Tim and Shane Kobe ripped. I mean, the list goes
Speaker 4: on and over, so many guys. And then you know,
Speaker 4: you still watch the game because I always trying to
Speaker 4: teach these young guys, you know, watching how you know
Speaker 4: for us how hard it was back then.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was not easy to play at the level the
Speaker 4: way the game was, the physicality you have to deal with,
Speaker 4: you know, just all the work and you have to
Speaker 4: actually practice back then. So you know, to see all
Speaker 4: the guys that was able to do well, you know
Speaker 4: that in our class, and you know that gave me
Speaker 4: great joy to be a part part of that as well.
Speaker 4: You're telling the guys when I break down who had
Speaker 4: a better class, and always break down all the guys,
Speaker 4: and then they realized all the guys in now I say, yeah,
Speaker 4: all those guys was in our class and he was.
Speaker 3: The best player. You know, he was the best player
Speaker 3: in our class.
Speaker 4: That was the crazy thing about like even like with Cole,
Speaker 4: because Cole came in like later, and because like we
Speaker 4: didn't really hear about cob as much. You know, you know,
Speaker 4: I heard about Jack and Bbbie and Tim and Shahem
Speaker 4: and Team Jermaine team. It was like crazy. You look
Speaker 4: back and like, dang all those guyss and then Cole
Speaker 4: came out of nowhere with with Avengeance. He just shot
Speaker 4: up the chart. But yeah, that's one. That's another prile
Speaker 4: moment in life, just seeing all those guys that was
Speaker 4: able to still continue not only just play, but what
Speaker 4: you guys doing with bringing so much to to to
Speaker 4: a lot of different stories and stuff like that for
Speaker 4: guys that haven't played or didn't play and people tell
Speaker 4: their story. That's I really appreciate it.
Speaker 1: The two brothers, I means, as happy as you were
Speaker 1: for everybody else and to see what kind of historic
Speaker 1: class you ended up having. What was that mental toll
Speaker 1: on you personally? Well, you know how I look at
Speaker 1: things like that.
Speaker 3: Even with.
Speaker 4: Playing, it's like it's easy for it's easy to be
Speaker 4: down and give up in life and situations where it's
Speaker 4: like it didn't go how most people thought it your
Speaker 4: goal because you don't know that we don't know. It's
Speaker 4: just something that goal we reach for. We have mistakes
Speaker 4: and things happen along the way. It's how you bounce
Speaker 4: back from. So I think doing those moments like stealing
Speaker 4: over the plate and the number one thing I think
Speaker 4: that get you do those things is when your peers
Speaker 4: respect you. You see what I'm saying. That's another level.
Speaker 4: Like when you guys speak about me and the things
Speaker 4: that I was able to do and accomplish, that gives
Speaker 4: you more relief knowing that you belong in that year.
Speaker 4: So it's not it's not as as bad to you know,
Speaker 4: like like be worried and be down. Yeah, you can
Speaker 4: hear your peers respect you to.
Speaker 2: The highest, Yes, and that's why I was Everybody can't
Speaker 2: say that. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, a lot
Speaker 2: of a lot of guys can play, but they don't
Speaker 2: have their respect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: That was the difference for me.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your relationship with KG Farragut Academy. Everybody
Speaker 2: knows about Faragut Academy. I don't think they know how
Speaker 2: dangerous it was to have you and KG on the
Speaker 2: same team. But talk about when you first met him
Speaker 2: and your pressures of him. Why is he always on
Speaker 2: one hundred. But let me tell you the craziest thing.
Speaker 4: So Nike used to have all these different times when
Speaker 4: they bring some of the better players around. I'll never
Speaker 4: get this five forty shootout because I know at Nike camp,
Speaker 4: my coach from high school actually coached him and Toby Bailey,
Speaker 4: all them was on the same team Antoine James. Like
Speaker 4: they were stacked. I think they was only where they
Speaker 4: lost one game in that camp. And you know my
Speaker 4: guard mate Ai Yeah Wei White Michael so bad to
Speaker 4: Heidi and Mikey. They couldn't stand us a I want
Speaker 4: pass it with Yeah, we want to pass it. And
Speaker 4: look over I said, look, we take it to make
Speaker 4: get big get big boy with the ball man. Yeah, like, man,
Speaker 4: you gotta get these two guys off the same team.
Speaker 4: And we look over there, man KG Nomore. They just
Speaker 4: running people out the gym, destroying my coach. I don't
Speaker 4: know what system we gave them, but they were just
Speaker 4: destroying people at camp. So then the next I think
Speaker 4: maybe four months later, had the the five forty. So
Speaker 4: we go down to Poland to the Poland organ to
Speaker 4: their base and you know, you get there, they don't
Speaker 4: really tear you. Your roommate is yeah, So I didn't
Speaker 4: even know that, you know, Kevin, my coach was still
Speaker 4: like talking a little bit here there. So I get
Speaker 4: in there in the room and KG laying to bed
Speaker 4: and they would just start talking about you know, Chicago
Speaker 4: and then about South Carolina and like I'm tired, I'm sleepy.
Speaker 4: He's still talking like he is still going, yeah, man,
Speaker 4: I think you know, I might want to come up
Speaker 4: there and play. So you know how the is you
Speaker 4: first meet guys like that, You're like, yeah, okay, I
Speaker 4: kid you not the summer roll around, We out not
Speaker 4: too far from here doing a a rap video for
Speaker 4: one of the guys and we was be Randy, Pete
Speaker 4: Myers and me doing dunks and my coach, my coach
Speaker 4: pull up and he get out of the car ticket
Speaker 4: and I'm like what you do with He's like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm here to stay, Like, oh, we'll get in the
Speaker 4: video there. You know that if you find that video
Speaker 4: what was it called, We're gonna find that ship Booty
Speaker 4: Bounce Wiggy Wow, wiggy wow. Yeah that he got out.
Speaker 4: It just was like the same way on ten and
Speaker 4: like he's like, all right, y'all started dunk. He's like,
Speaker 4: matter of fact, y'all just stop playing in the background
Speaker 4: while the girls dancing, he stopped playing like it was
Speaker 4: a real game, dude, just do some dunks.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: He started not now guys like really playing a real
Speaker 4: game in a video. In the video Dame Strong and
Speaker 4: I'm like, they were like, oh man. And then we
Speaker 4: end up going to play our first game together and
Speaker 4: that was down and ran two and like being on
Speaker 4: the court that game, I think we can bine for
Speaker 4: maybe about nineteen dunks. And we played against an all
Speaker 4: star team out of Chicago and destroyed them. But this
Speaker 4: is one thing that Kevin was doing at the time
Speaker 4: with people to realize, Ken, when we get to the
Speaker 4: basket and get over you finger roll the ball. He
Speaker 4: would never he would never dunk it. My guy made recipes.
Speaker 4: D Woods told him, look, man, I mean we took
Speaker 4: him to Marshie Center and I said, look, you don't
Speaker 4: hear you can't call no foules and that Kevin went
Speaker 4: up for a layup. Man, they didn't cloth lining him
Speaker 4: on the stage and I was like, they don't call
Speaker 4: no foul, just play.
Speaker 3: After that, I kid, you not.
Speaker 4: The first game in the conference against marshall Man, he
Speaker 4: went off, I mean Duncan throwing people. I was like,
Speaker 4: god Lee, that was one of like, that was one
Speaker 4: of the I ain't gonna say the best game, but
Speaker 4: that was when like the combination of both of us
Speaker 4: was like, hey, you go ahead the kick.
Speaker 3: I lead.
Speaker 4: And that's what made the combination so easy for us
Speaker 4: to dominate because I I'm like, I got another player
Speaker 4: with me. It ain't about me. So like when I
Speaker 4: was able to do that and he knew, like this
Speaker 4: is your squad, was comfortable. He was good. And then
Speaker 4: the game when I knew like he going to league,
Speaker 4: I filed, I got a foul trouble by fouled. That
Speaker 4: was West Hounds and I ain't never seen a stat
Speaker 4: like this in my life. That game, he took over
Speaker 4: the whole game. I think he had like forty fifteen
Speaker 4: fifteen and he left. That game was unreal. I said, yeah,
Speaker 4: he stayed.
Speaker 3: Leaving you thought about leaving to with him?
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was gonna come out right after I said that,
Speaker 4: ahead of right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was gonna come.
Speaker 3: Out right after I said that.
Speaker 4: The high school record for scoring because going into the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Soon as we hit I was averaging forty to a game.
Speaker 4: A game, I was averaging forty two going right into
Speaker 4: that the playoffs. On my last game when I jumped
Speaker 4: over this guy wheel.
Speaker 3: I think nine that game casually jumped over.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And then two days later is when I had my.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, two days later, Yeah, signed the letter go
Speaker 2: to the Paul, but rue academically ineligible.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 4: I got involved in that too. Just couldn't pass that test. Now, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying that that that held a lot.
Speaker 4: Now they don't have to deal with that now, you
Speaker 4: know that, right, I know, it's totally different now. I think,
Speaker 4: like and the thing with the the Paul thing is,
Speaker 4: you know, one of my other favorite coaching we was getting, like,
Speaker 4: you know, call from life the schools, but I like
Speaker 4: this behem as well. But then I also wanted to
Speaker 4: be lawyer and stay home with Aldo.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that this has never been said.
Speaker 2: We they had on their draft board on their class
Speaker 2: me you went for walten went and we all, they
Speaker 2: was gonna say we all would have went to Syracuse,
Speaker 2: were gonna have a number of coon class ended up
Speaker 2: signing with Arizona.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the number of with coon class.
Speaker 4: But me and you and Syracuse gotta been crazy because
Speaker 4: we just go around a lot. He was like one
Speaker 4: of the coaches just like I don't know, you just
Speaker 4: around them, just him and loot O. So I seen
Speaker 4: we seen him everywhere. Yeah, they was everywhere and they
Speaker 4: was out. You know then what he just made you
Speaker 4: like called being around in this present. So that was
Speaker 4: it was like the Paul or there no other, no
Speaker 4: other school.
Speaker 3: Then Bahama, Solid City top, they'll be me and him
Speaker 3: at the top.
Speaker 2: Wentfle Walton was one of the best scorers in our
Speaker 2: class at me and him had the most points in
Speaker 2: the McDonald's game Rest in Peace.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was, but he was the truth. I
Speaker 3: think it was six eight post game the Old Man
Speaker 3: Game too.
Speaker 4: And then we were like we both we played defense
Speaker 4: guards and we love to defend. I think that's another thing, like, man,
Speaker 4: you're defenders, where like he don't understand that, like that's
Speaker 4: a wheel. You gotta wanna do it, sir.
Speaker 3: You can't be taught that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's what people don't understand.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Even back then, growing up, it was like you had
Speaker 4: to defend now you get embarrassed, especially where the league
Speaker 4: was when you couldn't zone up and you just had
Speaker 4: to be on the island.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, man.
Speaker 4: Like they a't gonna get no help. And I think
Speaker 4: like playing basketball like that, you know, was pretty much
Speaker 4: helped us, you know, and helped me exactly because you
Speaker 4: see Jack and man y'all like three four inches tall
Speaker 4: of me. So I was doing a lot of this
Speaker 4: at just six three.
Speaker 3: Yeah, flying, When.
Speaker 1: Did you notice when did you start really jumping around
Speaker 1: with another young age come all of a sudden.
Speaker 4: I think like going into my seventh grade year, like
Speaker 4: in a gym class, so you know, all the kids
Speaker 4: playing around and I'm still trying to like dunk this ball,
Speaker 4: so class over, everybody leaving. Un finally dunked it, so
Speaker 4: you know, how there you dunk it. It's over now class.
Speaker 4: You like, hey, I did it, So they're like, no,
Speaker 4: you didn't. So season get ready to start. When we
Speaker 4: was at BBR, I get on the fast break. I
Speaker 4: dunked the ball in seventh grade and seventh grade and
Speaker 4: they called a technical foul. I didn't even know what
Speaker 4: the tech was about, and they like, you can't dunk
Speaker 4: the ball. So my coach, like, what you mean, I
Speaker 4: think it kind of called them off guard. Wasn't nobody
Speaker 4: else dunk It wasn't nobody else dunking at the time.
Speaker 4: And when I really knew this one, I really knew
Speaker 4: I could jump my eighth grade year in the championship game,
Speaker 4: on a fast break, I took off what a toe
Speaker 4: in front of the free throw line and dunk and
Speaker 4: want to do so you look thinking about eighth grade
Speaker 4: as I'm in there, Yeah, the guy come behind me,
Speaker 4: I'm still flying. The dude that took my shoe off
Speaker 4: in the air. The place was going crazy. I dunted
Speaker 4: it and one came down and do that my shoe
Speaker 4: in his hand. I mean, look, you know, I've been like,
Speaker 4: like miss Williams, I'm like looking for that tape because
Speaker 4: I'm like just thinking about like that moment and from there,
Speaker 4: you know, because people are like, okay, you dunk off
Speaker 4: stride a lot. I was like, that's how I learned.
Speaker 4: But then as I started playing more, playing out there
Speaker 4: with like a lot of pros, and they'll give me
Speaker 4: like a man in a game. Then they're blocking my shot.
Speaker 4: And the first time one of the guys blocked my
Speaker 4: shot and I started laughing, and he looked at me
Speaker 4: and saying, what you laugh I say, because y'all let
Speaker 4: me play with y'all like I'm a kid. So they
Speaker 4: started giving me like two more mens here.
Speaker 1: And there, and this summerly, this summer time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was at like maybe like twelve, thirteen years old. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so they was giving me a couple of minutes here
Speaker 4: in there. And then I didn't look at it as like, yeah,
Speaker 4: they busting my left, knocking me down. I was just
Speaker 4: happy to be out there playing. So you know, when
Speaker 4: I stopped playing against kids, I was just destroying them.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: It was just like the mentality because they won. Its aggressive.
Speaker 4: So like my ninth grade year, I'm like, ooh, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna play the sophomore and my coach was like what
Speaker 4: was like, no, I'm gonna start your box.
Speaker 3: You're like what?
Speaker 4: And he started me a varsity I think that first
Speaker 4: year I was like sixteen the game, and then every
Speaker 4: year going up, it went up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So were you ever measured with your vert I mean,
Speaker 1: is it urban legend that it's fifty or was it fifty?
Speaker 3: It was a fifty fifty.
Speaker 4: Ain't no question about that they was shocked people. I
Speaker 4: think this one they looked at it. I think this
Speaker 4: one may be on tape. Leonard Miles about six five,
Speaker 4: we was playing down in Danvillellinois. He got on the
Speaker 4: break and he had one of the hardest one leg
Speaker 4: it jumps like broad and get up. So this time
Speaker 4: I'm like doing the chase down.
Speaker 3: And he laid it up.
Speaker 4: I said, dude, you do that again, I'm gonna get down.
Speaker 4: His whole wrist over the square like this.
Speaker 3: How I was.
Speaker 4: I said, you do that again, I'm gonna get it
Speaker 4: six plays five plays later, he didn't think the dunke
Speaker 4: it man went up there. Now, if you watched it
Speaker 4: when they was rewinding it, the ball over the block
Speaker 4: the square. That's why I went up there and grabbed
Speaker 4: it but two hands and just snatched it down. I
Speaker 4: think the game wasn't even over and everybody ran on
Speaker 4: the court. It was still like the third quarter. And
Speaker 4: that's when that's when they was like, Okay, don't nobody
Speaker 4: And because I sit back and watch that block and
Speaker 4: I said, man, why I told you the dunk it.
Speaker 4: He's like, man, I ain't expect nobody else didn't grab
Speaker 4: no ball like that. That was another memory experience. I'll
Speaker 4: tell you I got Leonard.
Speaker 3: I talked about this all the time.
Speaker 2: Since we're talking about you Duncan and jumping at fifty
Speaker 2: Nike Snap Dunk contest, You shake, Cad, shakee Hadden, Mateen Cleves, Corey, Benjamin.
Speaker 4: Yes, Davis in that team, Baron Davis as well.
Speaker 3: Bro. My team used to have hops like that. What
Speaker 3: my team was like, Matt team was like you.
Speaker 4: He was top five quarterback in the country and the
Speaker 4: top five point guard.
Speaker 3: In the country.
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.
Speaker 3: No, he could fly up crazy, could fly it up.
Speaker 3: But you remember that dunk contest.
Speaker 4: I never forget that dunk contest because let me tell
Speaker 4: you something like Shaye was Dominique Wilkins. Listen, man, look,
Speaker 4: they was calling him man the man first of all,
Speaker 4: built like that in ninth grade, ninth ground.
Speaker 1: Like dude, come on man, what you two thirty six?
Speaker 1: This wasn't this wasn't. This wasn't a day of holdbacks
Speaker 1: and double hose back.
Speaker 3: He was really that big and that a yeah.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 4: He was like when he looked when he was attacking
Speaker 4: the rim and dunk and the ball, man, it was
Speaker 4: just like I'm like dude, why you man, like the
Speaker 4: whole everything, just like so he was the one I
Speaker 4: was worry about in the dunk contest. Corey Bich was
Speaker 4: more like Clyde glide through there. So Shay did a
Speaker 4: windmill from the side and I was like, I ain't sure,
Speaker 4: most like it was just.
Speaker 1: The one he threw in the air, and yeah, anyone
Speaker 1: ever seen it?
Speaker 4: We got, we got. I think you have felt the
Speaker 4: shit that that that dunk contest. That's because somebody sent me.
Speaker 4: It was like somebody sent me the dunk that won
Speaker 4: it for me. So he did that dunk, and then
Speaker 4: Corey's brother came up to me. It was like, look, yeah,
Speaker 4: Cory winning this, and I never get one of the
Speaker 4: guys from Chicago sitting by me, Larry alloy Way and
Speaker 4: Bibbie was there. All of a sudden he backed I'm like,
Speaker 4: I know this boyfriends trying to jump from the free
Speaker 4: throw line. Corey did it. So now the place he's
Speaker 4: rubbed again. So now it's what year y'all at this
Speaker 4: point was And then they both looked at me like
Speaker 4: what you're gonna do? I ain't say anything, So like
Speaker 4: now all these guys doing is run and start everything,
Speaker 4: they throw me the ball. Matter of fact, Ray Allen
Speaker 4: was at the camp too, Yeah, he was one of the.
Speaker 3: So I got it.
Speaker 4: I walked to the free throw line and I was
Speaker 4: just like, iin't done a windmill. I've done two of those,
Speaker 4: but I'm finna do something. I think they see And
Speaker 4: I didn't even run. I said, look, I did a
Speaker 4: wind meal three sixty. When I done it, this is
Speaker 4: when I know that was how high it was. Well,
Speaker 4: you see Vince Carter do that. I was to a
Speaker 4: point where I was so high when I turned, I
Speaker 4: was like like my neck and all this like looking
Speaker 4: down in the reim that hard. And then they even
Speaker 4: let me get to my second third dunk. They just
Speaker 4: called it, oh jail crazy. Yeah, it was real nonsense.
Speaker 4: Walk thinkure out what he was gonna do. Yeah, bro,
Speaker 4: he did three six then Bert, yeah, just one one triple.
Speaker 4: That's when I said it was just like it was everybody.
Speaker 4: It was like, I ain't do no running, start or anything.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what called him off guard, because
Speaker 4: they like, Okay, what are you finna do? Is just
Speaker 4: like free throw line? One dribble, boom bone end. This
Speaker 4: was like when I turned around and there at that
Speaker 4: moment and I realized, well, my chance in my head
Speaker 4: was so hard after that, and that was yeah, it was.
Speaker 3: Nothing else needed to be seen. Everybody was like the
Speaker 3: whole Jill.
Speaker 4: Yet it was.
Speaker 1: Virable before Vira before.
Speaker 4: We gotta find a tape of that dunk. Bro, we
Speaker 4: gotta find a tape of that dunk. And that's probably
Speaker 4: the first time it's been done, is probably on VHS VE.
Speaker 4: We gotta find that ship. We're gonna find it. Uh.
Speaker 1: I mean the growth of Chicago basketball over the years.
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a lot of pros. You hear, you know,
Speaker 1: legend about the summer League runs, and obviously when you're
Speaker 1: coming through and kind of yourself, this is the same
Speaker 1: time Jordan and the Bulls are doing their thing. So
Speaker 1: what was that energy like in the city, understanding who
Speaker 1: you were or they were, and just just the basketball
Speaker 1: energy in the city.
Speaker 4: So what happened was like people would this was the
Speaker 4: craziest thing. So people get the times of both games.
Speaker 4: This is people drafting my Wood Indiana. It's like, okay,
Speaker 4: so the boys they go start at seven I think
Speaker 4: Fields and Guard the Doom started I think at four.
Speaker 4: So this is how they was doing it. Dude playing
Speaker 4: running out of barbershops, fighting in the chairs. He was
Speaker 4: laying outside, like, man, look this is what they'll do.
Speaker 4: They'll go watch us. Then they go right and watch
Speaker 4: Mike and them. So that's how it was. They was
Speaker 4: like find out where we was at, and then they
Speaker 4: was matching their time with time the bulls start and
Speaker 4: then you see soon as though, they go right and
Speaker 4: watch Mike.
Speaker 1: Any and remember interactions with Mike or playing with him.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, when he made his second comeback. This was
Speaker 4: the craziest thing in the second comeback. So David Boo
Speaker 4: who's now working in the league office, and uh, he
Speaker 4: was there here. He was playing him with the ABA
Speaker 4: team and he's like, all right, called Joey's like, hey,
Speaker 4: how the guys come down the hoops, shut the gym down,
Speaker 4: we're gonna play. And he just wanted to get some
Speaker 4: some some games in and it's like I'm thinking Dave
Speaker 4: Bouf and the Gold and like, yeah, you go grab Mike.
Speaker 4: I'm you know, grab bj you know what He's like, No,
Speaker 4: young fella, you come guard me. So like now this
Speaker 4: is the date when they walk alike.
Speaker 3: They all at this time, they he's a splitting image
Speaker 3: where he walked behind.
Speaker 1: At this point, I think, like I said, that was
Speaker 1: I was like maybe like twenty So this is what
Speaker 1: this post post yeah accident, yeah.
Speaker 4: Post accident, And this is the thing I like, he said,
Speaker 4: I watched the mirror everything he did. So the moment
Speaker 4: in that, now everybody in the gym started like watching
Speaker 4: this matchup like my first thing, and this is just
Speaker 4: understanding like his moves. I said, Okay, he can't shoot
Speaker 4: old me with a fade away, so that's the first
Speaker 4: thing I'm biting on right, realizing he still had a
Speaker 4: live dribble, so.
Speaker 3: He gets you right on that elbow.
Speaker 4: So the first thing was this, and then he turned right,
Speaker 4: haven't bounced the ball, So I'm like, yeah, he going
Speaker 4: right to that fade away. So I go to reach it,
Speaker 4: come off my feety step through one dribble dump. So
Speaker 4: now you w there like it's a real game. So
Speaker 4: I got to run back down like you know, all right,
Speaker 4: damn face, play come down later.
Speaker 3: Shit.
Speaker 4: He told me a lot back door on him. And
Speaker 4: then the next cause you know, you always in his
Speaker 4: pickup games, he had Shelley Clark, who said the hardest
Speaker 4: screens like Oakley. Mike always had him with him. I
Speaker 4: was like, look, man, Shelley, Hey, dude, this pickup.
Speaker 3: Yeah that this pick up man?
Speaker 4: You got here, this low key dude shoulders. Look that's
Speaker 4: all he did, set screens and rebound, get the ball
Speaker 4: back to Mike. I end up catching the lob on
Speaker 4: the backside. So now he's like, okay, come back down.
Speaker 4: He catched the ball and this day he didn't pass
Speaker 4: for the first like ten plays. So now you can't
Speaker 4: get caught in all. You just gotta play. So George's like, hey,
Speaker 4: the fan, go over the stuff, you know, and I
Speaker 4: try to get a switch off of David, like, dude,
Speaker 4: you like six five and a half. He kept on
Speaker 4: talking about switched back like so, I'm like, look, I'm
Speaker 4: just going like that dude. Yeah, I'm like so. I
Speaker 4: mean that was one of the times, like you even
Speaker 4: heard when the AI said like the aura being around
Speaker 4: you know, MJ. You had to be in that moment.
Speaker 4: It was just like play you know, you hear you know,
Speaker 4: for him it was getting runs. For us, it was
Speaker 4: like practicing, but he saw a lot of you and him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was the biggest thing when I was when you
Speaker 4: like compare guys to a guy that great, Like with
Speaker 4: Cob and nine, it was for Cold, the full work,
Speaker 4: the fade away to hight, the size, the athleticism, the moves,
Speaker 4: the great eric and changing and being able to do
Speaker 4: certain things that part I had of Mike. Cob had
Speaker 4: all the other stuff for Mike. So it's like you
Speaker 4: put my vertical in Kobe. You basically got that that
Speaker 4: man Jordan, and that's what we both drawn from from him,
Speaker 4: and and you see it. He's like when people like
Speaker 4: and you all talk about it probably a lot. It's
Speaker 4: like when you comparing a you know, a basketball player
Speaker 4: to a guy like that, it's more than just comparing
Speaker 4: to just the moves. It's the mentality be great every
Speaker 4: night and to be able to dominate. And and guys
Speaker 4: like even I say, it was like the game when
Speaker 4: you guard Kobe or Jack when you gone guys, see you,
Speaker 4: guys don't back down from the moment of guarding a
Speaker 4: great player. You see what I'm saying. A lot of
Speaker 4: guys already defeated before they even guarded the guy, and
Speaker 4: they knew that, they knew that. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: you you you done.
Speaker 1: So post accident, How long did it take you one
Speaker 1: to feel like yourself again? That did you ever regain
Speaker 1: all your belts?
Speaker 4: I probably like never felt like myself again. You know,
Speaker 4: I was still able to play and do some things,
Speaker 4: but I never felt like I probably like still was
Speaker 4: that maybe like a forty a thirty eight forty is vertical,
Speaker 4: still able to do certain things. But I knew the difference.
Speaker 4: And then Jack, like you knew that you could tell
Speaker 4: the difference of that to just getting back to just
Speaker 4: attacking guys?
Speaker 1: Was that mentally tough to do? Or understanding like where
Speaker 1: you were now and there's probably still hopes of getting there,
Speaker 1: But was that mentally tough understanding that it's not.
Speaker 4: Mayor no more it because it's like when you you
Speaker 4: dominate and you got to like physically, you know, something happened,
Speaker 4: and like certain things like that mayheel you still, Like
Speaker 4: I would tell you right when at All Star we
Speaker 4: had like a high school All Star game a little
Speaker 4: bit after that, and I never get me and Paul
Speaker 4: and Fierce is in this All Star game played out
Speaker 4: in Indiana. We get them a break and one of
Speaker 4: the guards stored off the backboard and we both went
Speaker 4: up and got it. When I came down, the only
Speaker 4: thing I felt.
Speaker 1: Was like.
Speaker 4: A tear and like my whole leg with the ball
Speaker 4: was taken out for my neck like if it was bleeding.
Speaker 4: It was just like so like hot, like really hot,
Speaker 4: staying down my leg and I was just like, oh
Speaker 4: my goodness. And again going back to the doctor. I
Speaker 4: had to go to matter of fact, twice even for
Speaker 4: with the halo, because at one time I woke up
Speaker 4: and I look on the pillow and the whole pillar
Speaker 4: is blood everywhere from those screws, because you know, they's
Speaker 4: like the actually screws and a screwdriver.
Speaker 3: They screwing.
Speaker 4: It's these these screws to your skull. So that ended
Speaker 4: up getting both of them, ended up getting loose that night.
Speaker 4: That's what that came from. And you know, then it
Speaker 4: was just like okay, I'm still dealing with that. And
Speaker 4: then he had to go in there and dud pull
Speaker 4: out they funny and I dude, pull out a two
Speaker 4: box you like, so he isn't there like, and you
Speaker 4: hear it and you feel it and the tight and
Speaker 4: when they took that off, I'll never forget. I think
Speaker 4: when Grant Hill was in the League, and they was
Speaker 4: honoring me that game when the Bulls was playing the Pistons,
Speaker 4: and it was one of another emotional night to see
Speaker 4: all those people at that game and they called me
Speaker 4: out last and at the time I was upgrade to
Speaker 4: just my neck braces, you know, your neck brace, and
Speaker 4: when they called me out and just signs and the people,
Speaker 4: I think that emotional part of it was unreal, Like
Speaker 4: I didn't even almost is like falling my knees on
Speaker 4: the court just to see, you know, the Piston players,
Speaker 4: the Bulls, the crowd too because they haven't seen me
Speaker 4: since that accident. Nobody did. And then that's when they
Speaker 4: was able to see me like.
Speaker 2: The first time. The first time you after it happened,
Speaker 2: like everybody was devastated. Then you just popped up on Instagram,
Speaker 2: I mean popped up somewhere dunking with the halo on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hold up. We're sitting there worring about problem
Speaker 3: a one out of insury over the dunkle with he
Speaker 3: gonna be all right, He's gonna be alright.
Speaker 4: But you know the thing like and I kept like
Speaker 4: little things and you start feeling like stiffness. It was
Speaker 4: a lot of little stuff that like, oh, stop making
Speaker 4: you feel older than what you really was with those
Speaker 4: like those injuries. Back then, like you know, sports medisine
Speaker 4: was was good, but not to the point of the
Speaker 4: stuff that they able to do now. You know, maybe
Speaker 4: we had this stuff like they have now. Yeah, I
Speaker 4: probably would have came back probably like a hundred.
Speaker 2: But and for you since you hear we had it
Speaker 2: was like I said, it was Mee, Kobe, rib Hammerton,
Speaker 2: jaman on there, all of us at the McDonald's game.
Speaker 2: We had a moment at the McDonald's game for him, bro,
Speaker 2: because like everybody felt fucked up that he wasn't there,
Speaker 2: Like he carried our class all the way during high school, bro,
Speaker 2: and the fact that he couldn't be even though we
Speaker 2: had fun at the game, it just wasn't right, bro,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: And everybody they should be like my McDonald's uniform of
Speaker 4: guy everything. I'm watching these guys on there. It was like, man,
Speaker 4: look all the guys out there playing that was they
Speaker 4: would Jack should have got everything he was. Look, I
Speaker 4: don't know how you having that many turnover. That's all
Speaker 4: I said.
Speaker 3: A love to the shot.
Speaker 4: At all start, but the.
Speaker 3: Stuff he was hitting Mic with stuff he might be with.
Speaker 3: It was just unbelievable.
Speaker 4: He was hitting Mic with every move you.
Speaker 3: Can hit a playground.
Speaker 1: Mike got Smith's shoes on. Though Mike got smith shoes.
Speaker 4: Was killing Mike was like you got to like watching him.
Speaker 4: He was like the quintessential point guard from like, know
Speaker 4: his spots, know what he's great at averaging well, he
Speaker 4: was averaging forty two. And I tell a lot of
Speaker 4: people look at so many gods that look. Guys would
Speaker 4: get how grat he was in the league. Michael a
Speaker 4: killer and no, well talk about to get how great baby.
Speaker 1: Was Jack with you knowing him and the greatness and
Speaker 1: what you played against the scene, barring in the accident unfortunate,
Speaker 1: where do you think his career could have went?
Speaker 4: Well, I think we'll be talking about him.
Speaker 2: I have to put him in the same category with
Speaker 2: Kobe because I've seen them as teenagers and and and
Speaker 2: in our class.
Speaker 3: He was the best player in our class. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. He was the most athletic he was.
Speaker 4: Actually his game was actually way more season and grown
Speaker 4: than all our games growing up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So if I had this barn injury, nothing happened. He
Speaker 3: won the best players that played the game.
Speaker 1: And you said, I mean that that to me, You say,
Speaker 1: that's what you take is the respect from your your peers.
Speaker 4: That's why I like, you know, watching a lot of
Speaker 4: the game and even you know, back then and now,
Speaker 4: it's just like we understood growing up. It's like that
Speaker 4: the mental in the physical side of it to be
Speaker 4: a the player. It wasn't just the athletic gifts, because
Speaker 4: it was like guys was aggressive and it was a mentality, right,
Speaker 4: you know, guys, you know you have to you had
Speaker 4: to play that way. You know, you have seen a
Speaker 4: lot of great guys get being compared to a lot
Speaker 4: of great players, but then they got to that level,
Speaker 4: they're like, what happened that guy? Some guys mentally, you know,
Speaker 4: I can't handle that, you know. And I think for
Speaker 4: us back then, we love to play and we knew
Speaker 4: what it was, you know. So that's what would help me,
Speaker 4: And I'm sure it helped you guys in terms of
Speaker 4: like with your careers as well, just like you said,
Speaker 4: just being mentally tough and can play ball. But also hey,
Speaker 4: if you want this mode, like you all can give
Speaker 4: it to them as well, well, a lot of guys
Speaker 4: don't think like that.
Speaker 2: I always say to running it's different between showing up
Speaker 2: to the game with that attitude and getting that attitude
Speaker 2: once the jump balls from the start of That's it's
Speaker 2: a difference.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We on the way to the game with that attitude.
Speaker 4: But I'm going to kill this mother. But you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, some people wait to the bardy rager. Okay,
Speaker 4: let's go.
Speaker 3: Let's go.
Speaker 4: Time.
Speaker 3: Now we come into the game like that.
Speaker 4: If I looked, I'll ask you all to do this?
Speaker 4: What guys in the league now? Were mand you and
Speaker 4: you two? Is it any No?
Speaker 3: I think that? Ah yeah bro Nah.
Speaker 2: See the thing is, see the only reason I was
Speaker 2: I would say Draymond because he did it and he's
Speaker 2: winning doing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what I'm saying, we won doing it.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't really give too much private guys who just
Speaker 2: being a problem on the court and they're not winning.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's covering up for.
Speaker 4: The lack of play.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. The lack of stuff you're
Speaker 3: able to do.
Speaker 1: On the court different because you're more of an offensive
Speaker 1: a threat than I was. But I think kind of
Speaker 1: like the three and D slashing force knipes are gone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that kind of game. Yeah, how you know
Speaker 4: he really about that though?
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just look like.
Speaker 3: I can make it look like at a different time.
Speaker 1: It's just a different time the game is not played
Speaker 1: or pushed that way. How long I mean, obviously your
Speaker 1: spirits are high, and you've been through so much and
Speaker 1: you have great energy, but how long personally did it
Speaker 1: take for you to be okay with seeing these guys
Speaker 1: although there's no jealousy, but just living out their dreams
Speaker 1: and knowing that God damn, like I was supposed to
Speaker 1: be there, I shouldn't be there.
Speaker 4: I think for me, like I said, for me, it
Speaker 4: was just like the respect like it because like one
Speaker 4: thing is like you can see in your your own
Speaker 4: mind of what you should have. The thing is when
Speaker 4: you have you guys and all the other great players
Speaker 4: speak about you, it's like it ain't just in your
Speaker 4: own man, you thought you should have been there. You
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying. That's now you sound crazy, but
Speaker 4: when you you know, for me, it was a lot
Speaker 4: easier to like focus and continue, you know, for whatever
Speaker 4: path was drawn out for me to still be a
Speaker 4: part of something I love to do, and then just
Speaker 4: get back and teach these young guys. That's the biggest
Speaker 4: thing I took from it because I think even with
Speaker 4: my story in life, it's like it's so many different
Speaker 4: avenues that you can use this game and your your
Speaker 4: ups and downs to help others and show us like, Okay, guys,
Speaker 4: you might have a dream to play at this level,
Speaker 4: all right, but what if how do you handle it?
Speaker 4: Because if you go in with that's their only mindset,
Speaker 4: they're won't have what's gonna happen. You're gonna struggle to
Speaker 4: find some other niche to be successful in life. And
Speaker 4: that's what happened more now and even with some of
Speaker 4: the guys you like you said, don't played and the
Speaker 4: ball stopped bouncing, they don't know how to handle it.
Speaker 4: They don't know how to handle it. What's next?
Speaker 2: Yeah, So speaking of basketball, you started running fields league
Speaker 2: talk about that. I mean, I'm coaching is something that
Speaker 2: we all want to get into, all want to get
Speaker 2: too much to play basketball, but everybody can't do it.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean talk about you and your
Speaker 2: program here in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Soon I started, as soon as I retired from playing,
Speaker 4: I started like.
Speaker 3: Watching it versus watching What year did you officially retire?
Speaker 4: Probably I was at like thirty four, thirty four, Yeah,
Speaker 4: So soon as like I retired, I started, like first
Speaker 4: I watched the difference, because that's when you start seeing like, Okay.
Speaker 4: I remember going to watching games and i set up
Speaker 4: there with my head like this, and I'm like luck
Speaker 4: in the coach trying to coach hard, and I'm watching
Speaker 4: that game. I seemed like players to take their uniform
Speaker 4: walk out soon as they got coach hard. So for me,
Speaker 4: it was like, okay, what message you use to get
Speaker 4: through to these kids now? So for me, I had
Speaker 4: to like when I first started doing it, it's just
Speaker 4: when you' coaching a kid, letting them know you care
Speaker 4: about the first that's the first thing, because you know,
Speaker 4: even listening to you, if you think you're just gonna
Speaker 4: be on them all the time and like, you know,
Speaker 4: like what I do, Especially if you come from a
Speaker 4: background where you got parents that you know out in
Speaker 4: the city that like always yell always, well, you know
Speaker 4: they're gonna think, okay, this is what's happening again. So
Speaker 4: it's like for me realizing the approach of like getting
Speaker 4: them to know I care about them, trust me, and
Speaker 4: then they know when I get on them, I get
Speaker 4: them hard. I still care about them and I want
Speaker 4: the best for them. And that method helped with a
Speaker 4: lot of kids I coach. So when I started doing it,
Speaker 4: like for like, you know, since then last year, it's
Speaker 4: a friends of mine asked me to coach actually in
Speaker 4: high school. So for me, the challenge was this but
Speaker 4: aau ball and you know how it is. You can
Speaker 4: I have some of the best players on the team,
Speaker 4: but some of those kids in their schools don't play
Speaker 4: as much. You know, in high school, you might like
Speaker 4: four or five good players. The rest might be football, baseball, whatever.
Speaker 4: So a lot of kids and parents are like, well
Speaker 4: I see them, they play for me, I'm like, this
Speaker 4: kid can play, it can help your team whatever. In
Speaker 4: high school, I don't know why they don't play. So
Speaker 4: I was getting that a lot. So I said, look,
Speaker 4: I want to see the challenge. I'm gonna go to
Speaker 4: coach high school. So this year I coached high school.
Speaker 4: This is your first year, first year, my first year,
Speaker 4: I went and coach that hope that's attack right now,
Speaker 4: that Tim grovery Stone. So the school bought all of
Speaker 4: that and I brought my mentality with the balance but
Speaker 4: acting guys to give me all defensively, be aggressive, play together,
Speaker 4: trust one another. My first year doing I took the
Speaker 4: team downstate to the final four the first season. And
Speaker 4: the thing is for a lot of the kids that
Speaker 4: don't get a chance to play, an opportunity go play.
Speaker 4: I'm not look, I'm not gonna pull you out for
Speaker 4: mistakes you make. I'm gonna pull you out if you're
Speaker 4: not gonna be playing defense and getting out there on
Speaker 4: the other end though you're gonna miss shots, you know.
Speaker 4: So that mentality end up helping a lot of young
Speaker 4: kids and not going into this will be my second
Speaker 4: season coach of high school. It's pretty much trying to
Speaker 4: get a lot of Chicago kids back to like teaching
Speaker 4: that mentality, like you're not gonna all be scores at
Speaker 4: the next level. Patrick Belly, even though when he was
Speaker 4: in the high school he scored a lot of points,
Speaker 4: but he found his niche and what he can be
Speaker 4: great at at the next Liot right, you know a
Speaker 4: lot of these kids like guys, and you guys ain't
Speaker 4: six five six, six sixty seven, especially here in Chicago,
Speaker 4: the more like it was before, and a lot of
Speaker 4: them just to get them to be mentally stroggling to
Speaker 4: let him know, like look a little bit adversity at
Speaker 4: times and like cant help you, you know so.
Speaker 3: Exactly, Hey, you landscape right now, what's your take on it?
Speaker 4: You remember Cobe spoke about this a long time ago,
Speaker 4: and now you're seeing more people talk about it. Too
Speaker 4: much basketball, too much basketball, it was talking with them about.
Speaker 4: But then even get a chance to play overseason, people
Speaker 4: like talk about jo Kic and Luca and Luca, but
Speaker 4: people don't realize they never changed their style to play
Speaker 4: for seventy years of what they do and how they
Speaker 4: do it. Practice twice a day every day, played one
Speaker 4: game a week, right, so they get a chance to
Speaker 4: work on a lot of things that fundamentally sound. We
Speaker 4: are out in like contact, they still loud contact. So
Speaker 4: you all even know, like watching what people say, well,
Speaker 4: why the dream team beat those players are bad back
Speaker 4: then because back in our ever guys getting beat up,
Speaker 4: so it didn't matter like Jordan's those guys go over there.
Speaker 3: They used to that.
Speaker 4: So you see as it starts changing where you see
Speaker 4: guys a todjust to their style, right, we had changed
Speaker 4: our style here absolutely to their game, to their game. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So I said, that's why you see the difference. For me,
Speaker 4: I think with AAU, a lot of these kids that
Speaker 4: got to understand like the work ethic, the focus and
Speaker 4: and and even it's for a couple of hours. I
Speaker 4: think that's what it is. Getting these kids to want
Speaker 4: to work and trust the process because a lot of
Speaker 4: them more instant results. A lot of its start with parents.
Speaker 4: That's the biggest thing.
Speaker 2: With being in AAU and trying to develop kids. Obviously,
Speaker 2: you know in Chicago's gang violence, a lot of killing
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. You being from Chicago, you've seen
Speaker 2: it firsthand. How tough is it for you to actually
Speaker 2: be still here in Chicago trying to help these kids
Speaker 2: but still see so much of the nonsense going every
Speaker 2: day in your neighborhoods and all around Chicago. Because even
Speaker 2: though some of these kids might not be in it,
Speaker 2: they still affected by it because they still have to
Speaker 2: worry about where they go, how they dictate their lives.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, be home at a certain
Speaker 2: place you don't know you could trust, and life shouldn't
Speaker 2: be that way, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So I know it's kind of hard for you.
Speaker 4: We're trying to teach these guys, but they still got
Speaker 4: to go out and deal with real life. That's one
Speaker 4: of the biggest things I said, was like when guys
Speaker 4: that come in and they may do a camp or
Speaker 4: a game basketball game where guys come in, I say,
Speaker 4: and that one thing that people got understand. Even though
Speaker 4: when you do something for that moment in time, once
Speaker 4: that's over, those kids got to go back to the
Speaker 4: same environment they already in, sir. So it's like it's
Speaker 4: like practice. You't even get better if you continue to
Speaker 4: keep doing something. If kids only see good influencers one
Speaker 4: time every year, they're not going to get better.
Speaker 3: They won't get overwhelmed by the bull.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So as I think the problem here has a
Speaker 4: lot to do with like adults and and and family.
Speaker 4: It's like a trigger down effect of your dad game bang,
Speaker 4: his dad game bang. So it's and then the moms
Speaker 4: get called up in this situation. So now you having
Speaker 4: these kids and these guys not around two help guide them,
Speaker 4: and and and then they start forming. It's like this,
Speaker 4: if you're not getting to love and support at home,
Speaker 4: how kids see it at a young age. My boys
Speaker 4: on the street giving me love, so they willing to
Speaker 4: run and do whatever they're doing because he said, oh,
Speaker 4: that's my dog, not realizing they got you here and
Speaker 4: right for the cemetery blood. And that's what's happened the most,
Speaker 4: is like what we're getting to real love at oh
Speaker 4: Man social media? Yeah, that's that's one of the biggest
Speaker 4: fact and and it really starts with like parents. And
Speaker 4: that's one of the things that they are going to
Speaker 4: conference call for today for Chicago Sports to probably try
Speaker 4: to put a program together for a lot of kids
Speaker 4: because this is what happens, you know it. It is
Speaker 4: certain kids that may want to go another way, but
Speaker 4: there around those guys, they're afraid to go because how
Speaker 4: they're going to view them.
Speaker 3: Right, you have more of that.
Speaker 4: So what they do, oh mom at home, mom working,
Speaker 4: Dad ain't around, so mom knowing, okay, I gotta work,
Speaker 4: I got to do all these things. So they hanging
Speaker 4: out with their friends when their friends come over. Right,
Speaker 4: So now you start having all that and then in Chicago,
Speaker 4: especially a lot of project areas that you know, like
Speaker 4: where Good Times was filmed, and all the lot of
Speaker 4: those places closed down. So what you start doing is oppositions.
Speaker 4: You start pushing them all to the same area. And
Speaker 4: that was another problem, you know, And I think you
Speaker 4: know a lot of the heads like I know somewhere
Speaker 4: you know, KG can tell y'all as well. A lot
Speaker 4: of those guys even though they deal what they did,
Speaker 4: but they kept order and don't disrespect for older people
Speaker 4: and doing the stuff they're doing. But it got worse
Speaker 4: when they took a lot of those guys away. And
Speaker 4: that's why you see kids twelve twelve years old trying
Speaker 4: to steal cars, car jacket thirteen and for here, it's
Speaker 4: going to take a lot of people to be consistently
Speaker 4: with a lot of these kids. Even though my little
Speaker 4: brother right now he does a lot of that around
Speaker 4: the country where he go, and all these kids living
Speaker 4: with their grandma, all these he put groups together to
Speaker 4: help them, and he fled over to do it for
Speaker 4: this big non for profit program. So that's fine.
Speaker 3: Where are you with the game of life personally right now?
Speaker 4: I mean in a good space because I can tell
Speaker 4: I know you, I can tell in a good space
Speaker 4: because of what I get to do with these young guys,
Speaker 4: and and and and take off the experience, like I say,
Speaker 4: from learning growing up from a lot of the great
Speaker 4: players that I got a chance, you know, that mentored
Speaker 4: me to give back to these young guys. And then
Speaker 4: when you watch it and you teach it, and the
Speaker 4: player aspect like comes out of you, like he'll tell
Speaker 4: you and I get on him all the time is
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna let these two guys tell you when
Speaker 4: we're done. It's getting him to be ready from the
Speaker 4: start of the game. You know, when he gets going,
Speaker 4: when I say, oh, this is what you want to
Speaker 4: do today, you want to come out of start like this,
Speaker 4: get your but going. Danny stopped playing.
Speaker 1: I tell our kids, can I coach I've coached my
Speaker 1: twins and say, we're eight. But the game starts when
Speaker 1: in the layup lies. It starts while you're stretching watching
Speaker 1: the game before. But as soon as you step on
Speaker 1: the court for layups, the game starts.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the biggest thing.
Speaker 4: If you come from of these games, he's walk like
Speaker 4: they started at like seven. They don't walk in at
Speaker 4: six fifty two. You got you gotta get two hours.
Speaker 4: We gotta be paying two hours. Can't turn it on.
Speaker 4: The best players can't turn it on.
Speaker 3: But kids don't play this thing.
Speaker 4: They not playing to basketball nowadays, to play at the
Speaker 4: college level, the next level.
Speaker 3: They think they are.
Speaker 4: They playing like it was just like recess and they're
Speaker 4: going to play pickup ball. They walk in. Then it's
Speaker 4: not like, Okay, how do I get here to be
Speaker 4: prepared and be ready.
Speaker 1: Get something out of it, or just thinking I know
Speaker 1: my parents ain't got no money to send me to college,
Speaker 1: so this is the way to get there.
Speaker 4: That's so that's different.
Speaker 2: We give flowers to a lot of people on our show,
Speaker 2: like Shay Cotton and all that, and on this platform,
Speaker 2: especially guys like y'all who who deserved and still you know,
Speaker 2: we give your flowers now today, but you know, deserve
Speaker 2: to be at the top and deserve your flowers. On
Speaker 2: the basketball side, it's a lot of people that go
Speaker 2: through different things, you know what I'm saying, and may
Speaker 2: have the same experience as you, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: and that may not ever get their flowers.
Speaker 3: What words would words of advice would you give them?
Speaker 4: I tell people every day, you know you you, you
Speaker 4: wake up, you look at your purpose and it comes
Speaker 4: in different ways. But the number one thing, like do
Speaker 4: adversity in life for people is when you hit it,
Speaker 4: it's now which direction you want to go with it?
Speaker 4: As you're going to take it in a positive way
Speaker 4: to learn to get better, and then the doors will
Speaker 4: open once you understand what it took place or you
Speaker 4: look at it is okay, well I get over of it,
Speaker 4: but still start doing the same thing you did before,
Speaker 4: and then you're like, all right, why things ain't getting
Speaker 4: better turned around? Because when you got the opportunity to
Speaker 4: be able to make a change and the difference moving forward,
Speaker 4: you chose not to have your mind moved that way,
Speaker 4: Like it's easy for your mind to go the other
Speaker 4: way with all the stuff that's going on, which that's easy.
Speaker 4: That's the easiest thing. I tell people. The easy thing
Speaker 4: is just quick and give up. I don't take no effort.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. And if you're around a
Speaker 4: lot of people that don't think like that, and to
Speaker 4: push you and say look, focus and understand you have
Speaker 4: a purpose, You're go understand that place and then you
Speaker 4: go wonder where it's like, okay, what's going on.
Speaker 3: Be thankful for.
Speaker 4: The opportunity and that you get each and every day,
Speaker 4: move forward life and embrace it all right, because positive
Speaker 4: mind caring about others in life, it shows who you are,
Speaker 4: you know. The thing about like this, you can like
Speaker 4: want to be in another situation, but that situation might
Speaker 4: not be for you, you know. So for me, I
Speaker 4: always tell people like, be thankful each and every day
Speaker 4: for the people that comes around your life that want
Speaker 4: to help, encourage, sponsor because like that just give you
Speaker 4: that you attracting good people, right. You know, everyone had
Speaker 4: the moments of where you know, you have some letdowns, right,
Speaker 4: but you can't let that dictate you where It's like
Speaker 4: always when I speak a lot to the kids, I
Speaker 4: try to relate life to the game of like you know,
Speaker 4: ideas first quarter, first half, you ain't going right, You're
Speaker 4: going to have time, you make it justice mentally come out.
Speaker 4: You see how things change. It's the same day in life.
Speaker 4: You might have a bad day, a bad week. We
Speaker 4: call it in basketball, we call it slumps, right, and
Speaker 4: you got to shoot your way out of it, all right.
Speaker 4: And I think it's the same thing with basketball and life.
Speaker 4: You have to be one of those people be like, man,
Speaker 4: it's been a rough week. Now, do I just think
Speaker 4: the rest of my life gonna go that way? Or
Speaker 4: I just think it's a slump that I just got
Speaker 4: to get out of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, current NBA any players out there remind you of yourself, you.
Speaker 3: Know, like the mentality.
Speaker 4: You know, one of my favorite players is Westbrook. You know,
Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell a little bit, you know, like watching him,
Speaker 4: you know, for me, not so much just the athletic
Speaker 4: ability is more so the mentality, you know. And I
Speaker 4: think even at times, like you know, with Russ with
Speaker 4: the Lakers, I just didn't like how they did him
Speaker 4: because like now, you watch Russ on the court, and
Speaker 4: I watched him in his last playoff layups and drives,
Speaker 4: he don't ever miss. He didn't look like himself. He
Speaker 4: done all the rat things take a back seat on
Speaker 4: to win and do. It's like you watch him mature
Speaker 4: throughout being a guy that averagriper, that was leading team
Speaker 4: doing these things to still being able to play. But
Speaker 4: people point out more of what he can't do instead
Speaker 4: of more the things that he can't do and you
Speaker 4: have done and you even watching now with the roll
Speaker 4: on the Clippers. It's kind of like bothers me a
Speaker 4: little bit because of how they treat him, like he's
Speaker 4: not been one of those guys. Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 4: watching him always, you know, I want his success to
Speaker 4: continue and and still be able to hopefully maybe just
Speaker 4: get a chance to get to the finals.
Speaker 3: Deserve it.
Speaker 1: Just your answer. You don't have to explain nothing. Best
Speaker 1: player in the world right now.
Speaker 4: Man, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Killing me. Man, I think I gotta go with like.
Speaker 4: Luca I was, Yeah, you got to, man, because like
Speaker 4: even though yok is just done with a guy like
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray, people don't understand Luca Numbles was like that.
Speaker 4: I was at the first time they played against the
Speaker 4: Clippers in the playoff, how he just destroyed them with
Speaker 4: two of them. See, this is all I want to say,
Speaker 4: because like I like DG and I like Kawhi, but
Speaker 4: I know damn where YouTube wouldn't have never let that happen. Yeah,
Speaker 4: come on, man, Like you can't be elite defenders and
Speaker 4: the guy that's not as fast athletic and still putting
Speaker 4: up forties and thirty threes and triple devils.
Speaker 3: That's the difference of it.
Speaker 1: Every night, Top three players you think will be the
Speaker 1: face of the league in the next five to ten years.
Speaker 3: Three guys.
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned one Luca.
Speaker 4: Luca definitely a man. Get back in the lab a
Speaker 4: little bit, you know, work on his mid range moves,
Speaker 4: it's foot work a little bit more. I think he
Speaker 4: can be amazing. And I like I like, I like
Speaker 4: Tatum as well. But right now you're gonna go with
Speaker 4: those two guys. Could be at a Luca Jokicic. You
Speaker 4: gonna go put him in there because what.
Speaker 3: He was able to do.
Speaker 4: And now this is the look I love Shay gibbss. Listen, man,
Speaker 4: that Shae is is a bucket, man, Listen, He's a
Speaker 4: bucket on that young team to do what he was
Speaker 4: able to do. Had a number one scene and then
Speaker 4: you got j'all coming back. Man, you got so many players,
Speaker 4: and that's why I say the league is in a
Speaker 4: good space with a lot of talent. I just think
Speaker 4: they maybe put a little bit more defense back into
Speaker 4: the game, hopefully hopefully to help.
Speaker 1: Yeah, quick hitters first team to come to mind. Let
Speaker 1: us know, rank them, m J.
Speaker 3: Kobe Brown, m J Kobe Bron That's how we do.
Speaker 2: Never changed, uh, where we had okay, top three high
Speaker 2: school teams ever, who it's a lot.
Speaker 4: Man, Listen, that's hard. You got like I think it
Speaker 4: was she The team was good, Simon Grats, Simon Grats.
Speaker 3: We was all right.
Speaker 4: Who else? Who else was dominant? The church overside church?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Something?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they all they all playing together like yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: You're right, that's you.
Speaker 4: That's underrated food spot to day. Oh yeah today was
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Speaker 3: Yeah. It was a lot of.
Speaker 1: Killing men't say nothing nothing.
Speaker 4: The schools you are, the prep school you went to. Okay,
Speaker 4: we go there, man, this common all. You don't kill
Speaker 4: itever just like NBA school.
Speaker 1: Yea for real underrated food spot in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Oh man, you know he liked he too. Yeah you
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Speaker 4: many new spots, man, But how many pieces about y'all?
Speaker 3: Try here? Y'all try to I don't know that one
Speaker 3: go piece of where we get it from?
Speaker 4: A deep dish.
Speaker 3: That's wet to remember that next time we come.
Speaker 2: Man, Yes, a deep dish for y'all, Okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: one song to play over your highlights.
Speaker 3: Get a highlight tape, somebody to give your highlight tape.
Speaker 3: This is your highlight tape. But I need I need
Speaker 3: a song for it.
Speaker 4: Man, look for a game.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: I used to listen to a lot of Whitney Houston Man. Yeah,
Speaker 4: still do, Yeah, still doing, Anita Bacon, those two are
Speaker 4: people up. Yeah, crush.
Speaker 3: Oh Man.
Speaker 4: He was bigger than life in high school, so he
Speaker 4: probably had him in.
Speaker 2: Really h go wrong. There one album you can listen
Speaker 2: to repeat, no gipts.
Speaker 4: Oh Man, Probably Whitney, the one she did Like the Bodyguard, Yeah,
Speaker 4: the soundtrack, Yeah, that one.
Speaker 3: And.
Speaker 4: The one We Are the Children in Our Future. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 4: they made me see that in grammar school. Yeah, everybody.
Speaker 1: That's put you on the spot again. Top five hoopers
Speaker 1: from Chicago from That's.
Speaker 4: Hard I mean, you got Zeke, you got Derek, you
Speaker 4: got one of the best players. Probably people didn't never
Speaker 4: get a chance. He made recipe Ben Wilsons.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So he was a little bit, maybe a couple of
Speaker 1: years older than you.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah him. You know Juwan, you had you myself,
Speaker 4: Jim Hardaway named the Rose, Yeah, Kendle yeah, Nick, And
Speaker 4: I mean, so many guys man, you know you want
Speaker 4: to leave out it to me like probably the best
Speaker 4: one to me. You gotta be like z yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 3: Chicago who.
Speaker 4: Yeah, those two guys actually good. They were solid players.
Speaker 3: They were solid player. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: They went to Marshall High School. Yeah yeah, yeah. One
Speaker 4: went to Saint Joe's other one. Matter of fact, the
Speaker 4: one of the kids played for people where Isaiah went.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah remember this. I remember that.
Speaker 3: I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: With that first thing you do in the morning, last
Speaker 1: thing for the sleep.
Speaker 4: Oh man, the first thing I get money, just like
Speaker 4: more training and then preparing what I got to do
Speaker 4: as a as a coach for that day, and then
Speaker 4: when I go to bed is to probably just sit
Speaker 4: there and watch like a move movie and think about
Speaker 4: what what's the plans for the next day.
Speaker 3: If you could see one guest on all on our show,
Speaker 3: who would it be? But but you have to help
Speaker 3: us get your answer on the show who.
Speaker 4: On everybody?
Speaker 3: Man, a lot of people Chicago, we ain't had who.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you said some names, y'all had Zeke going, had
Speaker 4: Zeke Twe had one d Rose.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, we ain't had the kid. We haven't had
Speaker 3: the kids. We haven't had the kid. I know, you
Speaker 3: got to connect to his brother and somebody.
Speaker 4: They've probably seen that the deep deal. Probably he'll come on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hear him every time I see him
Speaker 2: and the brother. They super solid. So we can't wait
Speaker 2: to get him on running.
Speaker 3: Man. We appreciate you. I've been waiting.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 1: Like I said, you're probably the most mentioned you and
Speaker 1: the whole boy term.
Speaker 3: Too, most mentioned Pep on.
Speaker 1: This show, man, So it was an honor to finally
Speaker 1: sit down and say with you. But just feeling your
Speaker 1: energy and your spirit, considering all you went through and
Speaker 1: the way you pour back into this next generation. Man,
Speaker 1: we really want to commend you for that. Man, So
Speaker 1: God bless and keep up the good work.
Speaker 3: Bro. We appreciate you. Man. Yeah that's a skid.
Speaker 1: We finally got you, mass Ave wrap Man, the one
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Speaker 1: next week,