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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke, Chicago Jack. We've been We've

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Speaker 1: been waiting on this one for a minute. Man, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna give you the honest because this is another part

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Speaker 1: we might have the biggest the podcast with the most

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Speaker 1: class of ninety six motherfuckers on it.

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Speaker 2: Never yeah, man, And this is also one of the

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Speaker 2: most name dropped individuals on our show. For me, this

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Speaker 2: about Cobd's somebody that I admire, just like I admired

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Speaker 2: Kobe growing up growing up in Texas. You know, I

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Speaker 2: wasn't seeing as much as these other guys, but I

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Speaker 2: And the guy that's on our show today is somebody

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Speaker 2: who I consider my brother, somebody who was a big

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Speaker 2: be great, somebody who led our class, and somebody who

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Speaker 2: still deserves its flowers today.

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Speaker 3: And that's why I.

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Speaker 2: Wanted him on the show so we can give him

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Speaker 2: his Flowers, so we can let the world know and

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Speaker 2: him know how much we love and respect him and

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Speaker 2: honor to have him on the show today. Baby Jordans

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Speaker 2: the original Baby Jordan Ronnie Fields, my brother, my brother real, you.

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Speaker 3: Know that probably my best introduction.

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Speaker 1: That was somebody on the show. So we got we

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Speaker 1: got to lacrosse. Bobcats on the show.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I've never never heard that before.

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Speaker 1: CBA nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 2: Bro fresh out of high school, still trying to our

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Speaker 2: journeys went a little different.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: If we would have ended high school on the right note,

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Speaker 4: which was good for us though, you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 4: because for me, I didn't know my my career was going.

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Speaker 4: But that was a humbling experience. What was it for you?

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Speaker 4: I think the same as well, for you know, especially

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Speaker 4: Like for me, it was just like after the accident,

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Speaker 4: I never forget this. And I was talking to Timmy

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Speaker 1: I want to jump I'm gonna jump ahead and we'll

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Speaker 1: go back to where we're at. But let's let's get

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Speaker 1: you know February twenty six, nineteen ninety six, two days.

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Speaker 3: Before your birthday.

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Speaker 1: Walk us through what happened and how that changed.

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Speaker 3: Bro.

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Speaker 4: That shit hurt me, Bro, Yeah, I think that was

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Speaker 4: Started raining and I never forget coming down this ramp.

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Speaker 1: So what did doctor actually say? What happened? And as

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he just was like, look, I refused these three

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Speaker 4: Didn't know what was? That was the only thing that

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Speaker 4: It's only one was good. The other two was awful.

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Speaker 4: The other two was was that close as well.

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Speaker 2: and this is my first time actually hearing the story

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Speaker 4: You're telling the guys when I break down who had

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Speaker 4: That was the crazy thing about like even like with Cole,

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Speaker 1: The two brothers, I means, as happy as you were

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Speaker 4: So it's not it's not as as bad to you know,

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Speaker 2: The highest, Yes, and that's why I was Everybody can't

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Speaker 4: That was the difference for me.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about your relationship with KG Farragut Academy. Everybody

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Speaker 4: And we look over there, man KG Nomore. They just

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Speaker 4: we go down to Poland to the Poland organ to

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Speaker 4: really tear you. Your roommate is yeah, So I didn't

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Speaker 4: even know that, you know, Kevin, my coach was still

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Speaker 4: first meet guys like that, You're like, yeah, okay, I

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Speaker 4: what was it called, We're gonna find that ship Booty

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Speaker 4: Bounce Wiggy Wow, wiggy wow. Yeah that he got out.

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Speaker 4: It just was like the same way on ten and

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Speaker 4: like he's like, all right, y'all started dunk. He's like,

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Speaker 4: He started not now guys like really playing a real

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Speaker 3: After that, I kid, you not.

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Speaker 4: The first game in the conference against marshall Man, he

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Speaker 3: I lead.

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Speaker 4: And that's what made the combination so easy for us

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Speaker 4: I filed, I got a foul trouble by fouled. That

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Speaker 4: like this in my life. That game, he took over

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Speaker 3: Leaving you thought about leaving to with him?

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I was gonna come out right after I said that,

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Speaker 4: The high school record for scoring because going into the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: I think nine that game casually jumped over.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And then two days later is when I had my.

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Speaker 2: Actually yeah, two days later, Yeah, signed the letter go

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Speaker 3: I was.

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Speaker 4: I got involved in that too. Just couldn't pass that test. Now, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying that that that held a lot.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that this has never been said.

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Speaker 2: We they had on their draft board on their class

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the number of with coon class.

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Speaker 4: But me and you and Syracuse gotta been crazy because

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Speaker 4: we seen him everywhere. Yeah, they was everywhere and they

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Speaker 3: Then Bahama, Solid City top, they'll be me and him

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Speaker 2: Wentfle Walton was one of the best scorers in our

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was, but he was the truth. I

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Speaker 4: And then we were like we both we played defense

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Speaker 4: a wheel. You gotta wanna do it, sir.

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Speaker 3: You can't be taught that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's what people don't understand.

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Speaker 4: Even back then, growing up, it was like you had

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00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 4: to defend now you get embarrassed, especially where the league

439
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 4: was when you couldn't zone up and you just had

440
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 4: to be on the island.

441
00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, like, man.

442
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 4: Like they a't gonna get no help. And I think

443
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:45,280
Speaker 4: like playing basketball like that, you know, was pretty much

444
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 4: helped us, you know, and helped me exactly because you

445
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 4: see Jack and man y'all like three four inches tall

446
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 4: of me. So I was doing a lot of this

447
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 4: at just six three.

448
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, flying, When.

449
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,920
Speaker 1: Did you notice when did you start really jumping around

450
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,120
Speaker 1: with another young age come all of a sudden.

451
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 4: I think like going into my seventh grade year, like

452
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 4: in a gym class, so you know, all the kids

453
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 4: playing around and I'm still trying to like dunk this ball,

454
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 4: so class over, everybody leaving. Un finally dunked it, so

455
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 4: you know, how there you dunk it. It's over now class.

456
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 4: You like, hey, I did it, So they're like, no,

457
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 4: you didn't. So season get ready to start. When we

458
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 4: was at BBR, I get on the fast break. I

459
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 4: dunked the ball in seventh grade and seventh grade and

460
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 4: they called a technical foul. I didn't even know what

461
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,400
Speaker 4: the tech was about, and they like, you can't dunk

462
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 4: the ball. So my coach, like, what you mean, I

463
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 4: think it kind of called them off guard. Wasn't nobody

464
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: else dunk It wasn't nobody else dunking at the time.

465
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 4: And when I really knew this one, I really knew

466
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 4: I could jump my eighth grade year in the championship game,

467
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 4: on a fast break, I took off what a toe

468
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: in front of the free throw line and dunk and

469
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 4: want to do so you look thinking about eighth grade

470
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 4: as I'm in there, Yeah, the guy come behind me,

471
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: I'm still flying. The dude that took my shoe off

472
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,720
Speaker 4: in the air. The place was going crazy. I dunted

473
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 4: it and one came down and do that my shoe

474
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 4: in his hand. I mean, look, you know, I've been like,

475
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: like miss Williams, I'm like looking for that tape because

476
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,400
Speaker 4: I'm like just thinking about like that moment and from there,

477
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 4: you know, because people are like, okay, you dunk off

478
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,400
Speaker 4: stride a lot. I was like, that's how I learned.

479
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: But then as I started playing more, playing out there

480
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 4: with like a lot of pros, and they'll give me

481
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 4: like a man in a game. Then they're blocking my shot.

482
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 4: And the first time one of the guys blocked my

483
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 4: shot and I started laughing, and he looked at me

484
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 4: and saying, what you laugh I say, because y'all let

485
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 4: me play with y'all like I'm a kid. So they

486
00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 4: started giving me like two more mens here.

487
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: And there, and this summerly, this summer time.

488
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was at like maybe like twelve, thirteen years old. Yeah,

489
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 4: so they was giving me a couple of minutes here

490
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:12,560
Speaker 4: in there. And then I didn't look at it as like, yeah,

491
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 4: they busting my left, knocking me down. I was just

492
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 4: happy to be out there playing. So you know, when

493
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 4: I stopped playing against kids, I was just destroying them.

494
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 2: You know.

495
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 4: It was just like the mentality because they won. Its aggressive.

496
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 4: So like my ninth grade year, I'm like, ooh, I'm

497
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 4: gonna play the sophomore and my coach was like what

498
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 4: was like, no, I'm gonna start your box.

499
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 3: You're like what?

500
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,280
Speaker 4: And he started me a varsity I think that first

501
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,520
Speaker 4: year I was like sixteen the game, and then every

502
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 4: year going up, it went up.

503
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

504
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,359
Speaker 1: So were you ever measured with your vert I mean,

505
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: is it urban legend that it's fifty or was it fifty?

506
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 3: It was a fifty fifty.

507
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 4: Ain't no question about that they was shocked people. I

508
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: think this one they looked at it. I think this

509
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 4: one may be on tape. Leonard Miles about six five,

510
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,920
Speaker 4: we was playing down in Danvillellinois. He got on the

511
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 4: break and he had one of the hardest one leg

512
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 4: it jumps like broad and get up. So this time

513
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 4: I'm like doing the chase down.

514
00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,199
Speaker 3: And he laid it up.

515
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 4: I said, dude, you do that again, I'm gonna get down.

516
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 4: His whole wrist over the square like this.

517
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 3: How I was.

518
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 4: I said, you do that again, I'm gonna get it

519
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:32,640
Speaker 4: six plays five plays later, he didn't think the dunke

520
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 4: it man went up there. Now, if you watched it

521
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 4: when they was rewinding it, the ball over the block

522
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,879
Speaker 4: the square. That's why I went up there and grabbed

523
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 4: it but two hands and just snatched it down. I

524
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 4: think the game wasn't even over and everybody ran on

525
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: the court. It was still like the third quarter. And

526
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,680
Speaker 4: that's when that's when they was like, Okay, don't nobody

527
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 4: And because I sit back and watch that block and

528
00:27:58,240 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 4: I said, man, why I told you the dunk it.

529
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 4: He's like, man, I ain't expect nobody else didn't grab

530
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: no ball like that. That was another memory experience. I'll

531
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 4: tell you I got Leonard.

532
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 3: I talked about this all the time.

533
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 2: Since we're talking about you Duncan and jumping at fifty

534
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: Nike Snap Dunk contest, You shake, Cad, shakee Hadden, Mateen Cleves, Corey, Benjamin.

535
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 4: Yes, Davis in that team, Baron Davis as well.

536
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 3: Bro. My team used to have hops like that. What

537
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 3: my team was like, Matt team was like you.

538
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: He was top five quarterback in the country and the

539
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: top five point guard.

540
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: In the country.

541
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 1: Stuff like that.

542
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: No, he could fly up crazy, could fly it up.

543
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,160
Speaker 3: But you remember that dunk contest.

544
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 4: I never forget that dunk contest because let me tell

545
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 4: you something like Shaye was Dominique Wilkins. Listen, man, look,

546
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 4: they was calling him man the man first of all,

547
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: built like that in ninth grade, ninth ground.

548
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: Like dude, come on man, what you two thirty six?

549
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: This wasn't this wasn't. This wasn't a day of holdbacks

550
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 1: and double hose back.

551
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 3: He was really that big and that a yeah.

552
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 1: Man.

553
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 4: He was like when he looked when he was attacking

554
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 4: the rim and dunk and the ball, man, it was

555
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: just like I'm like dude, why you man, like the

556
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 4: whole everything, just like so he was the one I

557
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: was worry about in the dunk contest. Corey Bich was

558
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 4: more like Clyde glide through there. So Shay did a

559
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: windmill from the side and I was like, I ain't sure,

560
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 4: most like it was just.

561
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: The one he threw in the air, and yeah, anyone

562
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: ever seen it?

563
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 4: We got, we got. I think you have felt the

564
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 4: shit that that that dunk contest. That's because somebody sent me.

565
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 4: It was like somebody sent me the dunk that won

566
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 4: it for me. So he did that dunk, and then

567
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 4: Corey's brother came up to me. It was like, look, yeah,

568
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: Cory winning this, and I never get one of the

569
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 4: guys from Chicago sitting by me, Larry alloy Way and

570
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 4: Bibbie was there. All of a sudden he backed I'm like,

571
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 4: I know this boyfriends trying to jump from the free

572
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 4: throw line. Corey did it. So now the place he's

573
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 4: rubbed again. So now it's what year y'all at this

574
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 4: point was And then they both looked at me like

575
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 4: what you're gonna do? I ain't say anything, So like

576
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 4: now all these guys doing is run and start everything,

577
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 4: they throw me the ball. Matter of fact, Ray Allen

578
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 4: was at the camp too, Yeah, he was one of the.

579
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: So I got it.

580
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 4: I walked to the free throw line and I was

581
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 4: just like, iin't done a windmill. I've done two of those,

582
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 4: but I'm finna do something. I think they see And

583
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 4: I didn't even run. I said, look, I did a

584
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: wind meal three sixty. When I done it, this is

585
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 4: when I know that was how high it was. Well,

586
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: you see Vince Carter do that. I was to a

587
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 4: point where I was so high when I turned, I

588
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,960
Speaker 4: was like like my neck and all this like looking

589
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 4: down in the reim that hard. And then they even

590
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 4: let me get to my second third dunk. They just

591
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 4: called it, oh jail crazy. Yeah, it was real nonsense.

592
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 4: Walk thinkure out what he was gonna do. Yeah, bro,

593
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 4: he did three six then Bert, yeah, just one one triple.

594
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,719
Speaker 4: That's when I said it was just like it was everybody.

595
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 4: It was like, I ain't do no running, start or anything.

596
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 4: And I think that's what called him off guard, because

597
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 4: they like, Okay, what are you finna do? Is just

598
00:31:55,080 --> 00:32:00,080
Speaker 4: like free throw line? One dribble, boom bone end. This

599
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: was like when I turned around and there at that

600
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 4: moment and I realized, well, my chance in my head

601
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: was so hard after that, and that was yeah, it was.

602
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 3: Nothing else needed to be seen. Everybody was like the

603
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: whole Jill.

604
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: Yet it was.

605
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 1: Virable before Vira before.

606
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 4: We gotta find a tape of that dunk. Bro, we

607
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: gotta find a tape of that dunk. And that's probably

608
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 4: the first time it's been done, is probably on VHS VE.

609
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 4: We gotta find that ship. We're gonna find it. Uh.

610
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean the growth of Chicago basketball over the years.

611
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously a lot of pros. You hear, you know,

612
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: legend about the summer League runs, and obviously when you're

613
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: coming through and kind of yourself, this is the same

614
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: time Jordan and the Bulls are doing their thing. So

615
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: what was that energy like in the city, understanding who

616
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: you were or they were, and just just the basketball

617
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: energy in the city.

618
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 4: So what happened was like people would this was the

619
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 4: craziest thing. So people get the times of both games.

620
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 4: This is people drafting my Wood Indiana. It's like, okay,

621
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,719
Speaker 4: so the boys they go start at seven I think

622
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 4: Fields and Guard the Doom started I think at four.

623
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 4: So this is how they was doing it. Dude playing

624
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 4: running out of barbershops, fighting in the chairs. He was

625
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: laying outside, like, man, look this is what they'll do.

626
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 4: They'll go watch us. Then they go right and watch

627
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 4: Mike and them. So that's how it was. They was

628
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 4: like find out where we was at, and then they

629
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: was matching their time with time the bulls start and

630
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 4: then you see soon as though, they go right and

631
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 4: watch Mike.

632
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: Any and remember interactions with Mike or playing with him.

633
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, when he made his second comeback. This was

634
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 4: the craziest thing in the second comeback. So David Boo

635
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: who's now working in the league office, and uh, he

636
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 4: was there here. He was playing him with the ABA

637
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: team and he's like, all right, called Joey's like, hey,

638
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: how the guys come down the hoops, shut the gym down,

639
00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 4: we're gonna play. And he just wanted to get some

640
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: some some games in and it's like I'm thinking Dave

641
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 4: Bouf and the Gold and like, yeah, you go grab Mike.

642
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 4: I'm you know, grab bj you know what He's like, No,

643
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 4: young fella, you come guard me. So like now this

644
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: is the date when they walk alike.

645
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 3: They all at this time, they he's a splitting image

646
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 3: where he walked behind.

647
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: At this point, I think, like I said, that was

648
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: I was like maybe like twenty So this is what

649
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: this post post yeah accident, yeah.

650
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: Post accident, And this is the thing I like, he said,

651
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 4: I watched the mirror everything he did. So the moment

652
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 4: in that, now everybody in the gym started like watching

653
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:44,840
Speaker 4: this matchup like my first thing, and this is just

654
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 4: understanding like his moves. I said, Okay, he can't shoot

655
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,959
Speaker 4: old me with a fade away, so that's the first

656
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 4: thing I'm biting on right, realizing he still had a

657
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: live dribble, so.

658
00:34:58,760 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: He gets you right on that elbow.

659
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: So the first thing was this, and then he turned right,

660
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: haven't bounced the ball, So I'm like, yeah, he going

661
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 4: right to that fade away. So I go to reach it,

662
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 4: come off my feety step through one dribble dump. So

663
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 4: now you w there like it's a real game. So

664
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 4: I got to run back down like you know, all right,

665
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 4: damn face, play come down later.

666
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 3: Shit.

667
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 4: He told me a lot back door on him. And

668
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 4: then the next cause you know, you always in his

669
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: pickup games, he had Shelley Clark, who said the hardest

670
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 4: screens like Oakley. Mike always had him with him. I

671
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,240
Speaker 4: was like, look, man, Shelley, Hey, dude, this pickup.

672
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 3: Yeah that this pick up man?

673
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 4: You got here, this low key dude shoulders. Look that's

674
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 4: all he did, set screens and rebound, get the ball

675
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 4: back to Mike. I end up catching the lob on

676
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 4: the backside. So now he's like, okay, come back down.

677
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 4: He catched the ball and this day he didn't pass

678
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 4: for the first like ten plays. So now you can't

679
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 4: get caught in all. You just gotta play. So George's like, hey,

680
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 4: the fan, go over the stuff, you know, and I

681
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,359
Speaker 4: try to get a switch off of David, like, dude,

682
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 4: you like six five and a half. He kept on

683
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 4: talking about switched back like so, I'm like, look, I'm

684
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 4: just going like that dude. Yeah, I'm like so. I

685
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 4: mean that was one of the times, like you even

686
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 4: heard when the AI said like the aura being around

687
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: you know, MJ. You had to be in that moment.

688
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 4: It was just like play you know, you hear you know,

689
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 4: for him it was getting runs. For us, it was

690
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: like practicing, but he saw a lot of you and him. Yeah,

691
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 4: that was the biggest thing when I was when you

692
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: like compare guys to a guy that great, Like with

693
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,439
Speaker 4: Cob and nine, it was for Cold, the full work,

694
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: the fade away to hight, the size, the athleticism, the moves,

695
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 4: the great eric and changing and being able to do

696
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,359
Speaker 4: certain things that part I had of Mike. Cob had

697
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 4: all the other stuff for Mike. So it's like you

698
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: put my vertical in Kobe. You basically got that that

699
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 4: man Jordan, and that's what we both drawn from from him,

700
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 4: and and you see it. He's like when people like

701
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,239
Speaker 4: and you all talk about it probably a lot. It's

702
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,319
Speaker 4: like when you comparing a you know, a basketball player

703
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,240
Speaker 4: to a guy like that, it's more than just comparing

704
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: to just the moves. It's the mentality be great every

705
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 4: night and to be able to dominate. And and guys

706
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 4: like even I say, it was like the game when

707
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 4: you guard Kobe or Jack when you gone guys, see you,

708
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 4: guys don't back down from the moment of guarding a

709
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 4: great player. You see what I'm saying. A lot of

710
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: guys already defeated before they even guarded the guy, and

711
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 4: they knew that, they knew that. Yeah, it's like, oh yeah,

712
00:37:57,880 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 4: you you you done.

713
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:05,359
Speaker 1: So post accident, How long did it take you one

714
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: to feel like yourself again? That did you ever regain

715
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 1: all your belts?

716
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 4: I probably like never felt like myself again. You know,

717
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 4: I was still able to play and do some things,

718
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: but I never felt like I probably like still was

719
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 4: that maybe like a forty a thirty eight forty is vertical,

720
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 4: still able to do certain things. But I knew the difference.

721
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 4: And then Jack, like you knew that you could tell

722
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 4: the difference of that to just getting back to just

723
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 4: attacking guys?

724
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: Was that mentally tough to do? Or understanding like where

725
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: you were now and there's probably still hopes of getting there,

726
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: But was that mentally tough understanding that it's not.

727
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 4: Mayor no more it because it's like when you you

728
00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 4: dominate and you got to like physically, you know, something happened,

729
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 4: and like certain things like that mayheel you still, Like

730
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 4: I would tell you right when at All Star we

731
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,479
Speaker 4: had like a high school All Star game a little

732
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 4: bit after that, and I never get me and Paul

733
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 4: and Fierce is in this All Star game played out

734
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 4: in Indiana. We get them a break and one of

735
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 4: the guards stored off the backboard and we both went

736
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 4: up and got it. When I came down, the only

737
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 4: thing I felt.

738
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: Was like.

739
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 4: A tear and like my whole leg with the ball

740
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 4: was taken out for my neck like if it was bleeding.

741
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:34,399
Speaker 4: It was just like so like hot, like really hot,

742
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 4: staying down my leg and I was just like, oh

743
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 4: my goodness. And again going back to the doctor. I

744
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 4: had to go to matter of fact, twice even for

745
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 4: with the halo, because at one time I woke up

746
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 4: and I look on the pillow and the whole pillar

747
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: is blood everywhere from those screws, because you know, they's

748
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: like the actually screws and a screwdriver.

749
00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 3: They screwing.

750
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:03,879
Speaker 4: It's these these screws to your skull. So that ended

751
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 4: up getting both of them, ended up getting loose that night.

752
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 4: That's what that came from. And you know, then it

753
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 4: was just like okay, I'm still dealing with that. And

754
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 4: then he had to go in there and dud pull

755
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 4: out they funny and I dude, pull out a two

756
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 4: box you like, so he isn't there like, and you

757
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 4: hear it and you feel it and the tight and

758
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: when they took that off, I'll never forget. I think

759
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 4: when Grant Hill was in the League, and they was

760
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: honoring me that game when the Bulls was playing the Pistons,

761
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,560
Speaker 4: and it was one of another emotional night to see

762
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,840
Speaker 4: all those people at that game and they called me

763
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 4: out last and at the time I was upgrade to

764
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: just my neck braces, you know, your neck brace, and

765
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,359
Speaker 4: when they called me out and just signs and the people,

766
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 4: I think that emotional part of it was unreal, Like

767
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 4: I didn't even almost is like falling my knees on

768
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 4: the court just to see, you know, the Piston players,

769
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 4: the Bulls, the crowd too because they haven't seen me

770
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 4: since that accident. Nobody did. And then that's when they

771
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 4: was able to see me like.

772
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,720
Speaker 2: The first time. The first time you after it happened,

773
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,280
Speaker 2: like everybody was devastated. Then you just popped up on Instagram,

774
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 2: I mean popped up somewhere dunking with the halo on.

775
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's hold up. We're sitting there worring about problem

776
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: a one out of insury over the dunkle with he

777
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 3: gonna be all right, He's gonna be alright.

778
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: But you know the thing like and I kept like

779
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 4: little things and you start feeling like stiffness. It was

780
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: a lot of little stuff that like, oh, stop making

781
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 4: you feel older than what you really was with those

782
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,280
Speaker 4: like those injuries. Back then, like you know, sports medisine

783
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 4: was was good, but not to the point of the

784
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 4: stuff that they able to do now. You know, maybe

785
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 4: we had this stuff like they have now. Yeah, I

786
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,879
Speaker 4: probably would have came back probably like a hundred.

787
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: But and for you since you hear we had it

788
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: was like I said, it was Mee, Kobe, rib Hammerton,

789
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 2: jaman on there, all of us at the McDonald's game.

790
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 2: We had a moment at the McDonald's game for him, bro,

791
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 2: because like everybody felt fucked up that he wasn't there,

792
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 2: Like he carried our class all the way during high school, bro,

793
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: and the fact that he couldn't be even though we

794
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: had fun at the game, it just wasn't right, bro,

795
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying.

796
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 4: And everybody they should be like my McDonald's uniform of

797
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 4: guy everything. I'm watching these guys on there. It was like, man,

798
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 4: look all the guys out there playing that was they

799
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: would Jack should have got everything he was. Look, I

800
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: don't know how you having that many turnover. That's all

801
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 4: I said.

802
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 3: A love to the shot.

803
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 4: At all start, but the.

804
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: Stuff he was hitting Mic with stuff he might be with.

805
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 3: It was just unbelievable.

806
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 4: He was hitting Mic with every move you.

807
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: Can hit a playground.

808
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: Mike got Smith's shoes on. Though Mike got smith shoes.

809
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: Was killing Mike was like you got to like watching him.

810
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 4: He was like the quintessential point guard from like, know

811
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: his spots, know what he's great at averaging well, he

812
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: was averaging forty two. And I tell a lot of

813
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 4: people look at so many gods that look. Guys would

814
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: get how grat he was in the league. Michael a

815
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: killer and no, well talk about to get how great baby.

816
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: Was Jack with you knowing him and the greatness and

817
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 1: what you played against the scene, barring in the accident unfortunate,

818
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: where do you think his career could have went?

819
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 4: Well, I think we'll be talking about him.

820
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 2: I have to put him in the same category with

821
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: Kobe because I've seen them as teenagers and and and

822
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,000
Speaker 2: in our class.

823
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 3: He was the best player in our class. You know

824
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. He was the most athletic he was.

825
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: Actually his game was actually way more season and grown

826
00:43:58,239 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 4: than all our games growing up, you know what I mean.

827
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 3: So if I had this barn injury, nothing happened. He

828
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 3: won the best players that played the game.

829
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: And you said, I mean that that to me, You say,

830
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 1: that's what you take is the respect from your your peers.

831
00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,239
Speaker 4: That's why I like, you know, watching a lot of

832
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 4: the game and even you know, back then and now,

833
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 4: it's just like we understood growing up. It's like that

834
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 4: the mental in the physical side of it to be

835
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 4: a the player. It wasn't just the athletic gifts, because

836
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 4: it was like guys was aggressive and it was a mentality, right,

837
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 4: you know, guys, you know you have to you had

838
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 4: to play that way. You know, you have seen a

839
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 4: lot of great guys get being compared to a lot

840
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 4: of great players, but then they got to that level,

841
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,239
Speaker 4: they're like, what happened that guy? Some guys mentally, you know,

842
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 4: I can't handle that, you know. And I think for

843
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 4: us back then, we love to play and we knew

844
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: what it was, you know. So that's what would help me,

845
00:44:57,640 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 4: And I'm sure it helped you guys in terms of

846
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,919
Speaker 4: like with your careers as well, just like you said,

847
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: just being mentally tough and can play ball. But also hey,

848
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 4: if you want this mode, like you all can give

849
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 4: it to them as well, well, a lot of guys

850
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 4: don't think like that.

851
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 2: I always say to running it's different between showing up

852
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 2: to the game with that attitude and getting that attitude

853
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,719
Speaker 2: once the jump balls from the start of That's it's

854
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: a difference.

855
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

856
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 4: We on the way to the game with that attitude.

857
00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 4: But I'm going to kill this mother. But you know

858
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, some people wait to the bardy rager. Okay,

859
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 4: let's go.

860
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 3: Let's go.

861
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: Time.

862
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 3: Now we come into the game like that.

863
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 4: If I looked, I'll ask you all to do this?

864
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 4: What guys in the league now? Were mand you and

865
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 4: you two? Is it any No?

866
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: I think that? Ah yeah bro Nah.

867
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: See the thing is, see the only reason I was

868
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:51,399
Speaker 2: I would say Draymond because he did it and he's

869
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: winning doing it.

870
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. You know what I'm saying, we won doing it.

871
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:56,319
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, I don't.

872
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 2: I don't really give too much private guys who just

873
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: being a problem on the court and they're not winning.

874
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's covering up for.

875
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 4: The lack of play.

876
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. The lack of stuff you're

877
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:06,319
Speaker 3: able to do.

878
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: On the court different because you're more of an offensive

879
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,960
Speaker 1: a threat than I was. But I think kind of

880
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: like the three and D slashing force knipes are gone.

881
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that kind of game. Yeah, how you know

882
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 4: he really about that though?

883
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 3: Yeah? You know what I'm saying.

884
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just look like.

885
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: I can make it look like at a different time.

886
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: It's just a different time the game is not played

887
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,359
Speaker 1: or pushed that way. How long I mean, obviously your

888
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: spirits are high, and you've been through so much and

889
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: you have great energy, but how long personally did it

890
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,440
Speaker 1: take for you to be okay with seeing these guys

891
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: although there's no jealousy, but just living out their dreams

892
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: and knowing that God damn, like I was supposed to

893
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: be there, I shouldn't be there.

894
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 4: I think for me, like I said, for me, it

895
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 4: was just like the respect like it because like one

896
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 4: thing is like you can see in your your own

897
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 4: mind of what you should have. The thing is when

898
00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 4: you have you guys and all the other great players

899
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 4: speak about you, it's like it ain't just in your

900
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 4: own man, you thought you should have been there. You

901
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 4: see what I'm saying. That's now you sound crazy, but

902
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 4: when you you know, for me, it was a lot

903
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 4: easier to like focus and continue, you know, for whatever

904
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 4: path was drawn out for me to still be a

905
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:24,320
Speaker 4: part of something I love to do, and then just

906
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 4: get back and teach these young guys. That's the biggest

907
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 4: thing I took from it because I think even with

908
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 4: my story in life, it's like it's so many different

909
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 4: avenues that you can use this game and your your

910
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 4: ups and downs to help others and show us like, Okay, guys,

911
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 4: you might have a dream to play at this level,

912
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 4: all right, but what if how do you handle it?

913
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:50,440
Speaker 4: Because if you go in with that's their only mindset,

914
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: they're won't have what's gonna happen. You're gonna struggle to

915
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 4: find some other niche to be successful in life. And

916
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 4: that's what happened more now and even with some of

917
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: the guys you like you said, don't played and the

918
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 4: ball stopped bouncing, they don't know how to handle it.

919
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 4: They don't know how to handle it. What's next?

920
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:12,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So speaking of basketball, you started running fields league

921
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: talk about that. I mean, I'm coaching is something that

922
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 2: we all want to get into, all want to get

923
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: too much to play basketball, but everybody can't do it.

924
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:21,839
Speaker 2: You know what I mean talk about you and your

925
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 2: program here in Chicago.

926
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 4: Soon I started, as soon as I retired from playing,

927
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 4: I started like.

928
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 3: Watching it versus watching What year did you officially retire?

929
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 4: Probably I was at like thirty four, thirty four, Yeah,

930
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:37,319
Speaker 4: So soon as like I retired, I started, like first

931
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,919
Speaker 4: I watched the difference, because that's when you start seeing like, Okay.

932
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 4: I remember going to watching games and i set up

933
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 4: there with my head like this, and I'm like luck

934
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 4: in the coach trying to coach hard, and I'm watching

935
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 4: that game. I seemed like players to take their uniform

936
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 4: walk out soon as they got coach hard. So for me,

937
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 4: it was like, okay, what message you use to get

938
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 4: through to these kids now? So for me, I had

939
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 4: to like when I first started doing it, it's just

940
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 4: when you' coaching a kid, letting them know you care

941
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 4: about the first that's the first thing, because you know,

942
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 4: even listening to you, if you think you're just gonna

943
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 4: be on them all the time and like, you know,

944
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: like what I do, Especially if you come from a

945
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,640
Speaker 4: background where you got parents that you know out in

946
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 4: the city that like always yell always, well, you know

947
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 4: they're gonna think, okay, this is what's happening again. So

948
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 4: it's like for me realizing the approach of like getting

949
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 4: them to know I care about them, trust me, and

950
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 4: then they know when I get on them, I get

951
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,839
Speaker 4: them hard. I still care about them and I want

952
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,800
Speaker 4: the best for them. And that method helped with a

953
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 4: lot of kids I coach. So when I started doing it,

954
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 4: like for like, you know, since then last year, it's

955
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 4: a friends of mine asked me to coach actually in

956
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 4: high school. So for me, the challenge was this but

957
00:49:55,600 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 4: aau ball and you know how it is. You can

958
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 4: I have some of the best players on the team,

959
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 4: but some of those kids in their schools don't play

960
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,160
Speaker 4: as much. You know, in high school, you might like

961
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 4: four or five good players. The rest might be football, baseball, whatever.

962
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 4: So a lot of kids and parents are like, well

963
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 4: I see them, they play for me, I'm like, this

964
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 4: kid can play, it can help your team whatever. In

965
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 4: high school, I don't know why they don't play. So

966
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 4: I was getting that a lot. So I said, look,

967
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 4: I want to see the challenge. I'm gonna go to

968
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: coach high school. So this year I coached high school.

969
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 4: This is your first year, first year, my first year,

970
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,719
Speaker 4: I went and coach that hope that's attack right now,

971
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 4: that Tim grovery Stone. So the school bought all of

972
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: that and I brought my mentality with the balance but

973
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:50,440
Speaker 4: acting guys to give me all defensively, be aggressive, play together,

974
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 4: trust one another. My first year doing I took the

975
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 4: team downstate to the final four the first season. And

976
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: the thing is for a lot of the kids that

977
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: don't get a chance to play, an opportunity go play.

978
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: I'm not look, I'm not gonna pull you out for

979
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 4: mistakes you make. I'm gonna pull you out if you're

980
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 4: not gonna be playing defense and getting out there on

981
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,759
Speaker 4: the other end though you're gonna miss shots, you know.

982
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 4: So that mentality end up helping a lot of young

983
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 4: kids and not going into this will be my second

984
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 4: season coach of high school. It's pretty much trying to

985
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 4: get a lot of Chicago kids back to like teaching

986
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 4: that mentality, like you're not gonna all be scores at

987
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 4: the next level. Patrick Belly, even though when he was

988
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 4: in the high school he scored a lot of points,

989
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 4: but he found his niche and what he can be

990
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 4: great at at the next Liot right, you know a

991
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:47,839
Speaker 4: lot of these kids like guys, and you guys ain't

992
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 4: six five six, six sixty seven, especially here in Chicago,

993
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 4: the more like it was before, and a lot of

994
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 4: them just to get them to be mentally stroggling to

995
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 4: let him know, like look a little bit adversity at

996
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,960
Speaker 4: times and like cant help you, you know so.

997
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 3: Exactly, Hey, you landscape right now, what's your take on it?

998
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 4: You remember Cobe spoke about this a long time ago,

999
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 4: and now you're seeing more people talk about it. Too

1000
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 4: much basketball, too much basketball, it was talking with them about.

1001
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 4: But then even get a chance to play overseason, people

1002
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 4: like talk about jo Kic and Luca and Luca, but

1003
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:30,600
Speaker 4: people don't realize they never changed their style to play

1004
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 4: for seventy years of what they do and how they

1005
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 4: do it. Practice twice a day every day, played one

1006
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 4: game a week, right, so they get a chance to

1007
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,920
Speaker 4: work on a lot of things that fundamentally sound. We

1008
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 4: are out in like contact, they still loud contact. So

1009
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 4: you all even know, like watching what people say, well,

1010
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 4: why the dream team beat those players are bad back

1011
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,839
Speaker 4: then because back in our ever guys getting beat up,

1012
00:52:55,160 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 4: so it didn't matter like Jordan's those guys go over there.

1013
00:52:58,120 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: They used to that.

1014
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,120
Speaker 4: So you see as it starts changing where you see

1015
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:07,320
Speaker 4: guys a todjust to their style, right, we had changed

1016
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:11,799
Speaker 4: our style here absolutely to their game, to their game. Yeah,

1017
00:53:11,920 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 4: So I said, that's why you see the difference. For me,

1018
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,840
Speaker 4: I think with AAU, a lot of these kids that

1019
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: got to understand like the work ethic, the focus and

1020
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 4: and and even it's for a couple of hours. I

1021
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 4: think that's what it is. Getting these kids to want

1022
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:30,480
Speaker 4: to work and trust the process because a lot of

1023
00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 4: them more instant results. A lot of its start with parents.

1024
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:36,000
Speaker 4: That's the biggest thing.

1025
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: With being in AAU and trying to develop kids. Obviously,

1026
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,359
Speaker 2: you know in Chicago's gang violence, a lot of killing

1027
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. You being from Chicago, you've seen

1028
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 2: it firsthand. How tough is it for you to actually

1029
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:54,399
Speaker 2: be still here in Chicago trying to help these kids

1030
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: but still see so much of the nonsense going every

1031
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: day in your neighborhoods and all around Chicago. Because even

1032
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: though some of these kids might not be in it,

1033
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 2: they still affected by it because they still have to

1034
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: worry about where they go, how they dictate their lives.

1035
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, be home at a certain

1036
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: place you don't know you could trust, and life shouldn't

1037
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 2: be that way, you know what I'm saying.

1038
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 3: So I know it's kind of hard for you.

1039
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 4: We're trying to teach these guys, but they still got

1040
00:54:16,880 --> 00:54:18,799
Speaker 4: to go out and deal with real life. That's one

1041
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 4: of the biggest things I said, was like when guys

1042
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 4: that come in and they may do a camp or

1043
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 4: a game basketball game where guys come in, I say,

1044
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 4: and that one thing that people got understand. Even though

1045
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 4: when you do something for that moment in time, once

1046
00:54:37,320 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 4: that's over, those kids got to go back to the

1047
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 4: same environment they already in, sir. So it's like it's

1048
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,840
Speaker 4: like practice. You't even get better if you continue to

1049
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 4: keep doing something. If kids only see good influencers one

1050
00:54:51,600 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 4: time every year, they're not going to get better.

1051
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 3: They won't get overwhelmed by the bull.

1052
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,120
Speaker 4: Yeah. So as I think the problem here has a

1053
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 4: lot to do with like adults and and and family.

1054
00:55:04,560 --> 00:55:09,879
Speaker 4: It's like a trigger down effect of your dad game bang,

1055
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 4: his dad game bang. So it's and then the moms

1056
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 4: get called up in this situation. So now you having

1057
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 4: these kids and these guys not around two help guide them,

1058
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,719
Speaker 4: and and and then they start forming. It's like this,

1059
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 4: if you're not getting to love and support at home,

1060
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 4: how kids see it at a young age. My boys

1061
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 4: on the street giving me love, so they willing to

1062
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 4: run and do whatever they're doing because he said, oh,

1063
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 4: that's my dog, not realizing they got you here and

1064
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 4: right for the cemetery blood. And that's what's happened the most,

1065
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 4: is like what we're getting to real love at oh

1066
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 4: Man social media? Yeah, that's that's one of the biggest

1067
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 4: fact and and it really starts with like parents. And

1068
00:55:58,600 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 4: that's one of the things that they are going to

1069
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 4: conference call for today for Chicago Sports to probably try

1070
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 4: to put a program together for a lot of kids

1071
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 4: because this is what happens, you know it. It is

1072
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 4: certain kids that may want to go another way, but

1073
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 4: there around those guys, they're afraid to go because how

1074
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:18,839
Speaker 4: they're going to view them.

1075
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 3: Right, you have more of that.

1076
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 4: So what they do, oh mom at home, mom working,

1077
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,839
Speaker 4: Dad ain't around, so mom knowing, okay, I gotta work,

1078
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 4: I got to do all these things. So they hanging

1079
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:32,359
Speaker 4: out with their friends when their friends come over. Right,

1080
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 4: So now you start having all that and then in Chicago,

1081
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 4: especially a lot of project areas that you know, like

1082
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,800
Speaker 4: where Good Times was filmed, and all the lot of

1083
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 4: those places closed down. So what you start doing is oppositions.

1084
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 4: You start pushing them all to the same area. And

1085
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 4: that was another problem, you know, And I think you

1086
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 4: know a lot of the heads like I know somewhere

1087
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 4: you know, KG can tell y'all as well. A lot

1088
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,399
Speaker 4: of those guys even though they deal what they did,

1089
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:11,240
Speaker 4: but they kept order and don't disrespect for older people

1090
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 4: and doing the stuff they're doing. But it got worse

1091
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 4: when they took a lot of those guys away. And

1092
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 4: that's why you see kids twelve twelve years old trying

1093
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 4: to steal cars, car jacket thirteen and for here, it's

1094
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 4: going to take a lot of people to be consistently

1095
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,479
Speaker 4: with a lot of these kids. Even though my little

1096
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 4: brother right now he does a lot of that around

1097
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,439
Speaker 4: the country where he go, and all these kids living

1098
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 4: with their grandma, all these he put groups together to

1099
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 4: help them, and he fled over to do it for

1100
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 4: this big non for profit program. So that's fine.

1101
00:57:54,760 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 3: Where are you with the game of life personally right now?

1102
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 4: I mean in a good space because I can tell

1103
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 4: I know you, I can tell in a good space

1104
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:05,520
Speaker 4: because of what I get to do with these young guys,

1105
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 4: and and and and take off the experience, like I say,

1106
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 4: from learning growing up from a lot of the great

1107
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 4: players that I got a chance, you know, that mentored

1108
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 4: me to give back to these young guys. And then

1109
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 4: when you watch it and you teach it, and the

1110
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 4: player aspect like comes out of you, like he'll tell

1111
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 4: you and I get on him all the time is

1112
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna let these two guys tell you when

1113
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 4: we're done. It's getting him to be ready from the

1114
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 4: start of the game. You know, when he gets going,

1115
00:58:38,920 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 4: when I say, oh, this is what you want to

1116
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 4: do today, you want to come out of start like this,

1117
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,240
Speaker 4: get your but going. Danny stopped playing.

1118
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 1: I tell our kids, can I coach I've coached my

1119
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: twins and say, we're eight. But the game starts when

1120
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 1: in the layup lies. It starts while you're stretching watching

1121
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: the game before. But as soon as you step on

1122
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: the court for layups, the game starts.

1123
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the biggest thing.

1124
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 4: If you come from of these games, he's walk like

1125
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 4: they started at like seven. They don't walk in at

1126
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 4: six fifty two. You got you gotta get two hours.

1127
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 4: We gotta be paying two hours. Can't turn it on.

1128
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:08,960
Speaker 4: The best players can't turn it on.

1129
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,880
Speaker 3: But kids don't play this thing.

1130
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 4: They not playing to basketball nowadays, to play at the

1131
00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 4: college level, the next level.

1132
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 3: They think they are.

1133
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 4: They playing like it was just like recess and they're

1134
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 4: going to play pickup ball. They walk in. Then it's

1135
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 4: not like, Okay, how do I get here to be

1136
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:29,240
Speaker 4: prepared and be ready.

1137
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: Get something out of it, or just thinking I know

1138
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: my parents ain't got no money to send me to college,

1139
00:59:32,680 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: so this is the way to get there.

1140
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 4: That's so that's different.

1141
00:59:36,280 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: We give flowers to a lot of people on our show,

1142
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: like Shay Cotton and all that, and on this platform,

1143
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 2: especially guys like y'all who who deserved and still you know,

1144
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 2: we give your flowers now today, but you know, deserve

1145
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:51,440
Speaker 2: to be at the top and deserve your flowers. On

1146
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: the basketball side, it's a lot of people that go

1147
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 2: through different things, you know what I'm saying, and may

1148
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: have the same experience as you, you know what I mean,

1149
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: and that may not ever get their flowers.

1150
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 3: What words would words of advice would you give them?

1151
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 4: I tell people every day, you know you you, you

1152
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,840
Speaker 4: wake up, you look at your purpose and it comes

1153
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 4: in different ways. But the number one thing, like do

1154
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 4: adversity in life for people is when you hit it,

1155
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 4: it's now which direction you want to go with it?

1156
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 4: As you're going to take it in a positive way

1157
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 4: to learn to get better, and then the doors will

1158
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 4: open once you understand what it took place or you

1159
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 4: look at it is okay, well I get over of it,

1160
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 4: but still start doing the same thing you did before,

1161
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 4: and then you're like, all right, why things ain't getting

1162
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 4: better turned around? Because when you got the opportunity to

1163
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 4: be able to make a change and the difference moving forward,

1164
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 4: you chose not to have your mind moved that way,

1165
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 4: Like it's easy for your mind to go the other

1166
01:00:51,880 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 4: way with all the stuff that's going on, which that's easy.

1167
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 4: That's the easiest thing. I tell people. The easy thing

1168
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 4: is just quick and give up. I don't take no effort.

1169
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. And if you're around a

1170
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 4: lot of people that don't think like that, and to

1171
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 4: push you and say look, focus and understand you have

1172
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 4: a purpose, You're go understand that place and then you

1173
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 4: go wonder where it's like, okay, what's going on.

1174
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:16,360
Speaker 3: Be thankful for.

1175
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 4: The opportunity and that you get each and every day,

1176
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 4: move forward life and embrace it all right, because positive

1177
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 4: mind caring about others in life, it shows who you are,

1178
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 4: you know. The thing about like this, you can like

1179
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 4: want to be in another situation, but that situation might

1180
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 4: not be for you, you know. So for me, I

1181
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 4: always tell people like, be thankful each and every day

1182
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,240
Speaker 4: for the people that comes around your life that want

1183
01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 4: to help, encourage, sponsor because like that just give you

1184
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 4: that you attracting good people, right. You know, everyone had

1185
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 4: the moments of where you know, you have some letdowns, right,

1186
01:02:11,400 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 4: but you can't let that dictate you where It's like

1187
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:18,280
Speaker 4: always when I speak a lot to the kids, I

1188
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 4: try to relate life to the game of like you know,

1189
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 4: ideas first quarter, first half, you ain't going right, You're

1190
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 4: going to have time, you make it justice mentally come out.

1191
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 4: You see how things change. It's the same day in life.

1192
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,600
Speaker 4: You might have a bad day, a bad week. We

1193
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 4: call it in basketball, we call it slumps, right, and

1194
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 4: you got to shoot your way out of it, all right.

1195
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 4: And I think it's the same thing with basketball and life.

1196
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 4: You have to be one of those people be like, man,

1197
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,240
Speaker 4: it's been a rough week. Now, do I just think

1198
01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 4: the rest of my life gonna go that way? Or

1199
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 4: I just think it's a slump that I just got

1200
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 4: to get out of it.

1201
01:02:58,400 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1202
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, current NBA any players out there remind you of yourself, you.

1203
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:07,040
Speaker 3: Know, like the mentality.

1204
01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 4: You know, one of my favorite players is Westbrook. You know,

1205
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 4: Donovan Mitchell a little bit, you know, like watching him,

1206
01:03:20,040 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 4: you know, for me, not so much just the athletic

1207
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,120
Speaker 4: ability is more so the mentality, you know. And I

1208
01:03:28,200 --> 01:03:32,120
Speaker 4: think even at times, like you know, with Russ with

1209
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,880
Speaker 4: the Lakers, I just didn't like how they did him

1210
01:03:36,800 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 4: because like now, you watch Russ on the court, and

1211
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:43,160
Speaker 4: I watched him in his last playoff layups and drives,

1212
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 4: he don't ever miss. He didn't look like himself. He

1213
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 4: done all the rat things take a back seat on

1214
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 4: to win and do. It's like you watch him mature

1215
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 4: throughout being a guy that averagriper, that was leading team

1216
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 4: doing these things to still being able to play. But

1217
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 4: people point out more of what he can't do instead

1218
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:10,040
Speaker 4: of more the things that he can't do and you

1219
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 4: have done and you even watching now with the roll

1220
01:04:13,080 --> 01:04:15,520
Speaker 4: on the Clippers. It's kind of like bothers me a

1221
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:20,200
Speaker 4: little bit because of how they treat him, like he's

1222
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 4: not been one of those guys. Yeah, so you know,

1223
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 4: watching him always, you know, I want his success to

1224
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 4: continue and and still be able to hopefully maybe just

1225
01:04:34,680 --> 01:04:36,200
Speaker 4: get a chance to get to the finals.

1226
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 3: Deserve it.

1227
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: Just your answer. You don't have to explain nothing. Best

1228
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,439
Speaker 1: player in the world right now.

1229
01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 4: Man, I'm gonna.

1230
01:04:50,680 --> 01:05:03,000
Speaker 3: Killing me. Man, I think I gotta go with like.

1231
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 4: Luca I was, Yeah, you got to, man, because like

1232
01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:13,840
Speaker 4: even though yok is just done with a guy like

1233
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 4: Jamal Murray, people don't understand Luca Numbles was like that.

1234
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 4: I was at the first time they played against the

1235
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:27,000
Speaker 4: Clippers in the playoff, how he just destroyed them with

1236
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 4: two of them. See, this is all I want to say,

1237
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 4: because like I like DG and I like Kawhi, but

1238
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 4: I know damn where YouTube wouldn't have never let that happen. Yeah,

1239
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 4: come on, man, Like you can't be elite defenders and

1240
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 4: the guy that's not as fast athletic and still putting

1241
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 4: up forties and thirty threes and triple devils.

1242
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:56,160
Speaker 3: That's the difference of it.

1243
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: Every night, Top three players you think will be the

1244
01:05:59,640 --> 01:06:02,080
Speaker 1: face of the league in the next five to ten years.

1245
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 3: Three guys.

1246
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:06,600
Speaker 1: I think you mentioned one Luca.

1247
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 4: Luca definitely a man. Get back in the lab a

1248
01:06:11,560 --> 01:06:15,080
Speaker 4: little bit, you know, work on his mid range moves,

1249
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,160
Speaker 4: it's foot work a little bit more. I think he

1250
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 4: can be amazing. And I like I like, I like

1251
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 4: Tatum as well. But right now you're gonna go with

1252
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 4: those two guys. Could be at a Luca Jokicic. You

1253
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 4: gonna go put him in there because what.

1254
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 3: He was able to do.

1255
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 4: And now this is the look I love Shay gibbss. Listen, man,

1256
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,720
Speaker 4: that Shae is is a bucket, man, Listen, He's a

1257
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:50,320
Speaker 4: bucket on that young team to do what he was

1258
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:52,720
Speaker 4: able to do. Had a number one scene and then

1259
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 4: you got j'all coming back. Man, you got so many players,

1260
01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 4: and that's why I say the league is in a

1261
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 4: good space with a lot of talent. I just think

1262
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 4: they maybe put a little bit more defense back into

1263
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 4: the game, hopefully hopefully to help.

1264
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, quick hitters first team to come to mind. Let

1265
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 1: us know, rank them, m J.

1266
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:24,640
Speaker 3: Kobe Brown, m J Kobe Bron That's how we do.

1267
01:07:27,520 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: Never changed, uh, where we had okay, top three high

1268
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:35,160
Speaker 2: school teams ever, who it's a lot.

1269
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:39,160
Speaker 4: Man, Listen, that's hard. You got like I think it

1270
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 4: was she The team was good, Simon Grats, Simon Grats.

1271
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:47,880
Speaker 3: We was all right.

1272
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,919
Speaker 4: Who else? Who else was dominant? The church overside church?

1273
01:07:55,080 --> 01:07:59,959
Speaker 3: Yeah? Something?

1274
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they all they all playing together like yeah, yeah, yeah.

1275
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 3: You're right, that's you.

1276
01:08:05,840 --> 01:08:10,080
Speaker 4: That's underrated food spot to day. Oh yeah today was

1277
01:08:10,760 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 4: they was good? Yeah, Michaels, Yeah it was good. Yeah,

1278
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 4: it's been look we big going.

1279
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. It was a lot of.

1280
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: Killing men't say nothing nothing.

1281
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 4: The schools you are, the prep school you went to. Okay,

1282
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 4: we go there, man, this common all. You don't kill

1283
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,639
Speaker 4: itever just like NBA school.

1284
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:38,799
Speaker 1: Yea for real underrated food spot in Chicago.

1285
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 4: Oh man, you know he liked he too. Yeah you

1286
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:49,800
Speaker 4: got like, let me see you got. We got so

1287
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 4: many new spots, man, But how many pieces about y'all?

1288
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 3: Try here? Y'all try to I don't know that one

1289
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 3: go piece of where we get it from?

1290
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 4: A deep dish.

1291
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 3: That's wet to remember that next time we come.

1292
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 2: Man, Yes, a deep dish for y'all, Okay, yeah, yeah,

1293
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: one song to play over your highlights.

1294
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 3: Get a highlight tape, somebody to give your highlight tape.

1295
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 3: This is your highlight tape. But I need I need

1296
01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:21,000
Speaker 3: a song for it.

1297
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 4: Man, look for a game.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: I used to listen to a lot of Whitney Houston Man. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: still do, Yeah, still doing, Anita Bacon, those two are

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Speaker 4: people up. Yeah, crush.

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Speaker 3: Oh Man.

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Speaker 4: He was bigger than life in high school, so he

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Speaker 4: probably had him in.

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Speaker 2: Really h go wrong. There one album you can listen

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Speaker 2: to repeat, no gipts.

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Speaker 4: Oh Man, Probably Whitney, the one she did Like the Bodyguard, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: the soundtrack, Yeah, that one.

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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 4: The one We Are the Children in Our Future. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: they made me see that in grammar school. Yeah, everybody.

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Speaker 1: That's put you on the spot again. Top five hoopers

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Speaker 1: from Chicago from That's.

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Speaker 4: Hard I mean, you got Zeke, you got Derek, you

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Speaker 4: got one of the best players. Probably people didn't never

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Speaker 4: get a chance. He made recipe Ben Wilsons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So he was a little bit, maybe a couple of

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Speaker 1: years older than you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah him. You know Juwan, you had you myself,

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Speaker 4: Jim Hardaway named the Rose, Yeah, Kendle yeah, Nick, And

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Speaker 4: I mean, so many guys man, you know you want

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Speaker 4: to leave out it to me like probably the best

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Speaker 4: one to me. You gotta be like z yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: you know.

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Speaker 3: Chicago who.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, those two guys actually good. They were solid players.

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Speaker 3: They were solid player. Yeah yeah.

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Speaker 4: They went to Marshall High School. Yeah yeah, yeah. One

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Speaker 4: went to Saint Joe's other one. Matter of fact, the

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Speaker 4: one of the kids played for people where Isaiah went.

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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah remember this. I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I remember that. Yeah, I remember that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: With that first thing you do in the morning, last

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Speaker 1: thing for the sleep.

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Speaker 4: Oh man, the first thing I get money, just like

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Speaker 4: more training and then preparing what I got to do

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Speaker 4: as a as a coach for that day, and then

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Speaker 4: when I go to bed is to probably just sit

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Speaker 4: there and watch like a move movie and think about

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Speaker 4: what what's the plans for the next day.

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Speaker 3: If you could see one guest on all on our show,

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Speaker 3: who would it be? But but you have to help

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Speaker 3: us get your answer on the show who.

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Speaker 4: On everybody?

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Speaker 3: Man, a lot of people Chicago, we ain't had who.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you said some names, y'all had Zeke going, had

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Speaker 4: Zeke Twe had one d Rose.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, we ain't had the kid. We haven't had

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Speaker 3: the kids. We haven't had the kid. I know, you

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Speaker 3: got to connect to his brother and somebody.

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Speaker 4: They've probably seen that the deep deal. Probably he'll come on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, hear him every time I see him

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Speaker 2: and the brother. They super solid. So we can't wait

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Speaker 2: to get him on running.

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Speaker 3: Man. We appreciate you. I've been waiting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, you're probably the most mentioned you and

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Speaker 1: the whole boy term.

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Speaker 3: Too, most mentioned Pep on.

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Speaker 1: This show, man, So it was an honor to finally

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Speaker 1: sit down and say with you. But just feeling your

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Speaker 1: energy and your spirit, considering all you went through and

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Speaker 1: the way you pour back into this next generation. Man,

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Speaker 1: we really want to commend you for that. Man, So

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Speaker 1: God bless and keep up the good work.

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Speaker 3: Bro. We appreciate you. Man. Yeah that's a skid.

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Speaker 1: We finally got you, mass Ave wrap Man, the one

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Speaker 1: and only Ronnie Fields. You can cast this on all

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Speaker 1: the Smoke Productions YouTube and the DraftKings Network. See y'all

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Speaker 1: next week,