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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan in this episode number two two

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Speaker 1: and to dan this show, I'm joined by Mark drew

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Speaker 1: to get an absolute masterclass on everything he's learned about

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Speaker 1: handling the moments leading up to a shot on an

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Speaker 1: animal and everything to do afterwards to ensure a successful recovery.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by on X, And like I just said,

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Speaker 1: we've got the mad scientist himself, Mark Drewy on the

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Speaker 1: show again. And as has been the case, gosh every

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Speaker 1: other time he's been in the podcast, this one is

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Speaker 1: just fascinating. We already had the conversation. I know what

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Speaker 1: enjoy it. Our focus in this one, though, it's pretty

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Speaker 1: different than our past episodes with him, If you remember

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Speaker 1: the last two we did, we're really um, really in

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Speaker 1: the weeds conversations around all the different factors that influenced

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Speaker 1: deer movement. Today, we're taking a huge pivot from that

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Speaker 1: moving in a very different direction, but equally interesting, and

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Speaker 1: our focus is all about closing the deal in this

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Speaker 1: very last part of a hunt, that being everything that

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Speaker 1: happens in those seconds and minutes leading up to a shot,

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Speaker 1: how you actually execute that shot, and then finally everything

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Speaker 1: and I mean everything you need to be thinking about

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Speaker 1: when it comes to determining what kind of hits you got,

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Speaker 1: how long the way before tracking, how to start the

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Speaker 1: track job, how to learn more things from from the arrow,

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Speaker 1: from the side of impact, from how the deer behaved,

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Speaker 1: all sorts of stuff. I mean it is. It's a

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Speaker 1: we've ever We've definitely never gone into this degree on

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Speaker 1: this podcast, and I don't know if I've ever run

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Speaker 1: across any other resource any other podcast that's done this

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Speaker 1: to this degree either. So man, I am I'm just

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Speaker 1: pumped for you guys to hear this one, especially with

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Speaker 1: hunting seasons so close to arriving. I think it's just

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Speaker 1: the perfect topic to get just like into the nitty

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Speaker 1: be capitalizing on that you know, one special moment when

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Speaker 1: want to make sure that we all, you know, squeak

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Speaker 1: out every little bit of a good karma, of good luck,

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Speaker 1: of having the odds in your favorite make sure we're

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Speaker 1: doing everything we possibly can be doing to make sure

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Speaker 1: that our hunt ends the right way. All right? With

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Speaker 1: me on the line again, Uh, for the first time,

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Speaker 1: probably since it was almost exactly one year ago, we

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Speaker 1: got Mark Drewy back with us on the show. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for coming back, Mark, Thank you for having me. Mark.

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Speaker 1: How you doing great? I'm great. Uh. You know, we're

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Speaker 1: just talking before recorded how this is that time of

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Speaker 1: year that we're just running around like crazy people. And

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Speaker 1: soon as we get done recording, I'm gonna have a

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Speaker 1: it right now. Yeah, it's actually not too bad, a

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Speaker 1: what about you doing well over there in Iowa and Missouri. Absolutely, man,

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Speaker 1: What phase are we in? Blah blah blah, And all

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Speaker 1: and it Uh, it really comes down to the success

430
00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: in the heat of the moment, which is what you're

431
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,159
Speaker 1: talking about, comes down to I think your ability to

432
00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: handle emotion at the a when it's at its peak.

433
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 1: You know, when you're adrenaline's topped out and you can't

434
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 1: practice adrenaline. I say it all the time. You can't

435
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,120
Speaker 1: do it, you know. I've read articles and heard guys say, well,

436
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,639
Speaker 1: go run the hundred yard dash six times and then

437
00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 1: shoot shoot there out. It's still not the same, It's

438
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: not the same feeling in your body. The only way

439
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: you can do that is to put yourself in that

440
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 1: situation more often and think your way through it. And

441
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,120
Speaker 1: I think the biggest mistake hunters probably make is not

442
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: shooting enough does frankly or not shooting enough game in general. Um,

443
00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: I think the more times you put yourself in that situation,

444
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,880
Speaker 1: the better you become through time, because you have to

445
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 1: learn by your mistakes, you know, And that's just sad

446
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: to say, but it's the truth. The more you shoot,

447
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: the more does you kill, the more bucks you kill,

448
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 1: for that matter, the more rabbits you kill, the more

449
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,919
Speaker 1: squirrels you kill, the turkeys, whatever it is, then you

450
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 1: just get better every time it comes around again. So

451
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: it's it's all about slowing the game down. Jim Tony

452
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,520
Speaker 1: talks about it all the time. And you look at

453
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 1: you look at baseball, and you look at a guy

454
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,800
Speaker 1: like Jim you want pressure, or any baseball player for

455
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 1: that matter. Put him in a stadium of forty or

456
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,159
Speaker 1: fifty screaming fans in the playoffs and then throw up, know,

457
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: a heater on the outside corner high at nine three?

458
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,159
Speaker 1: How in the hell do they connect and take it

459
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 1: out of the park? Right? I mean, because you could

460
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 1: you imagine the adrenaline in that moment time. So he

461
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: always talks and has to us for years about slow

462
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: that game down, ignore every other thing and focus. Your

463
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 1: focus has to be so intense in that moment, and

464
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't want to say that that the emotion that

465
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: I feel is is it's adrenaline. But I almost channel

466
00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:32,880
Speaker 1: it into like a like a focus of I don't

467
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 1: want to say anger, but a focus of determination to

468
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: make this happen. Do not screw this up. So channel

469
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 1: the adrenaline into a positive place in your body as

470
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: opposed to letting it become a negative and making bad

471
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,199
Speaker 1: choices like use it, make it, make it, make it,

472
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 1: or let it make you determine to the point that

473
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:54,360
Speaker 1: you're not going to screw this up, you know, and

474
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 1: and for us the video cameras wrong, and so it's

475
00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 1: like you don't want to make a bad shot. It

476
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,959
Speaker 1: still happens, but you don't want to. So you you

477
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 1: have to channel that adrenaline into your brain and go

478
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: all right, slow down, dummy, Stop, think about something else.

479
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: Think about the Bibles, think about where this arrow is

480
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: going to exit, Think about anything you can to give

481
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,639
Speaker 1: yourself the assistance you need to make a good shot.

482
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,360
Speaker 1: If you can do that, you're gonna put yourself through

483
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,359
Speaker 1: the lungs and through the through the boiler room or often.

484
00:24:23,640 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: If you can't do that, you're gonna go on a

485
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,480
Speaker 1: lot of backtrack jobs and you're gonna need dear cat

486
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:31,919
Speaker 1: track more often. So so what is going on in

487
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 1: your brain in Like, let's say you see a buck

488
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: coming into range. You you okay, this is a shooter buck,

489
00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: you grab your bow um those things you just mentioned.

490
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:44,960
Speaker 1: Is that the self talk? Like are you saying, don't

491
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: be stupid, don't do this, or or what what are

492
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: you talking to yourself? Like? What does those next ten

493
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,760
Speaker 1: seconds look like for you? Every single second of the

494
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: moment of truth is me telling myself? Do not jack

495
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 1: this up here or here she is, whatever the target is,

496
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,680
Speaker 1: do not make a bad shot, Do not draw it

497
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,359
Speaker 1: too soon, do not release too quickly, make sure of

498
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: the body posture, Like I have a checklist in my

499
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: mind where I'm I'm thinking about not only where they're at,

500
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: but I'm thinking where they're going, because sooner or later

501
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,640
Speaker 1: or very quickly where they where they're going is where

502
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: they went. And you're already behind the game. So I'm

503
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: I'm in terms of thinking ahead a little bit, and

504
00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I don't draw too soon.

505
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I don't make any noise

506
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: to alert the deer to my presence, and I go

507
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 1: through that mental checklist, and then when the moment of

508
00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 1: truth comes, I'm aiming I'm stopping the deer if need be,

509
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm thinking exit. I always think where this

510
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 1: arrow is gonna exit. I never think of entry, and

511
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,240
Speaker 1: I think thinking of exit kind of helps me a

512
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: little bit, you know. I'm thinking about I want to

513
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: hit there so that it ends up right behind that

514
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 1: leg or at the base of that tree. That's where

515
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: I'm putting it. I'm gonna put it right at the

516
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: base of that tree, or I'm gonna put it right

517
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,920
Speaker 1: at the edge of the food lot, you know, or

518
00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna nim a little bit low to make sure

519
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: this deer drops into it, and then that arrow ends

520
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: right there. So I always think in terms of exit

521
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: and not enter. And I don't know if that helps me,

522
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: but it, you know, it doesn't hurt certainly. Yeah, that's

523
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: an interesting it's an interesting idea. I haven't heard anyone

524
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: else mentioned that before, but it makes I mean, it's

525
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 1: something I think about, but it's not something that I'm

526
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: putting first and foremost. Um, that's a very good point.

527
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: You mentioned this checklist in body posture is one when

528
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 1: to draws one thinking about the exit. Is there anything

529
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 1: else in your mental checklist? Um worth mentioning, don't spook him,

530
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: don't let them know you're there. That's my number one,

531
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: do not spook them. It's why Taylor says, I whisper yell.

532
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: That's why Wade says, I whisper yell. I'm consulate, don't move,

533
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,240
Speaker 1: don't do this, don't do that, watch that, don't put

534
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: your you know, put your rings finer down, you know,

535
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: put in your pocket, get ready, whatever it is. You know,

536
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm constantly whispering through the through the process to make

537
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: sure that I don't alert that animal to me because

538
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: when they when they figure out you're there, your chances

539
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: just went way down that you're about to kill that deer.

540
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: I mean way down. It might cut them in half

541
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: or cut them by because they will once they figure

542
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: out you're there, it's almost over every time. Yes, So

543
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 1: let's talk about that when you get or well, let's

544
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: talk about body post or what you can tell by

545
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: that deer and how that changes your shot at all,

546
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: because right there's a situation where the deer is no

547
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: idea you're there. I imagine you would aim in shooting

548
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 1: a certain way, and then there's a situation where the

549
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: deer is aware of something going on. How does your

550
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: shot or your behavior differ between those two at all?

551
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: If if they're calm and there within my effective range

552
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:40,479
Speaker 1: and my effective range, I like them within thirty. You know,

553
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: when you get outside of thirty, bad things start to happen.

554
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: And I've shot deer outside of that. But that depends

555
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: on weather and conditions and all that. But let's take

556
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:51,280
Speaker 1: a calm evening, because so often when deer moving it's

557
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: it's calm and not a ton of wind blowing. Okay,

558
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,040
Speaker 1: so calm evening or calm morning. So you first have

559
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: to say, okay, they're gonna hear my bow go off

560
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,360
Speaker 1: if your bow hunting, So I side in low anyway,

561
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 1: like my twenty yard pin hits about two and a

562
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: half inches low, thirty on three inches low, forty on

563
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: four inches low. So I will aim on because instinctively

564
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: I always aim on. I aim to exit, and then

565
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: I just let the arrow drop on its own. And

566
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: it almost never fails that they don't go up. They're

567
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 1: always going down, and oftentimes they still go down to

568
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 1: damn far and I'm still too hot right because I've

569
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: misjudged the ardage, or they've dropped me more than I

570
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: anticipated there or whatever. So I always side in low.

571
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: And then if if the if the animals calm in

572
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: the and the and the evening is calm and there's

573
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: no wind moving, then I'm judging distance all right. If

574
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: they're within the teens, If they're seventeen eighteen and under,

575
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: I'll aim on and feel like I'm going to get

576
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: the job done. Once you get to twenty two and

577
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: there's a real there's a real hole they're from, like

578
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 1: twenty two to twenty eight or thirty, that distance where

579
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: they hear that sound crispally and cleanly and they react immediately,

580
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: like man can endear do a lot in that distance

581
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: because they hear the bow immediately, and I mean they'll

582
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: drop a damn foot on you, you know. So I

583
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: anticipate distance versus how much air is moving. If it's

584
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: calm and they're at I'm worried at that distance because

585
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: they're gonna hear it and they're probably gonna drop and

586
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: you know, and then bad things start to happen. So

587
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: I aim even a little bit lower. I often cite

588
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 1: my bow in low and then also aim at harder

589
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: top of heart or exit through the heart, I should say,

590
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: and uh, that has helped me a great deal through

591
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: the years to put it in through the right place

592
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: because they're gonna drop. If it's windy, you can throw

593
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: out all that out the window because generally they won't

594
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: hear you, and uh, it really helps you put the

595
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: arrow where you need to. I love twelve fifty mile

596
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: an hour with leaves rattling. The more noise you get,

597
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: the better, uh, because they don't hear that bow go off.

598
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 1: So always take into consideration what you're dealing with. From

599
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: an environmental standpoint. Highway noise will help you. Um, wind

600
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: noise will help you. Rain noise will help you. Other

601
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: deer's commotion will help you. If if the deer, if

602
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: your target deer is attentive to them, that will help.

603
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 1: But the moment their eyes get wide and they start

604
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: looking at you and you feel like you're found, then

605
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: I get really really nervous about taking that shot, And

606
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: then I'm I'm probably gonna do the same thing that

607
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm doing at that seven yard distance, and I'm I'm

608
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: even really really low on that deer. I mean, you

609
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 1: just have to anticipate that drop or you're going to

610
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: hit him high shoulder or go over the back. So

611
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 1: what about scenario where it's one of these longer range

612
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 1: situations that I know you typically don't find yourself in,

613
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: but I think I've seen some where your forty yards

614
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: or maybe out there past you a little bit, especially

615
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 1: the wind. Yeah. So if it is like a good

616
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: set up, though, and you're gonna do that type of shot,

617
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: how much lower do you have to shoot on a

618
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: forty forty five yard shot if you're assuming that, I

619
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: mean twelve inches max. Fifteen sixteen seven inches, they could drop.

620
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: I never aim off the deer because it's just counterintuitive

621
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 1: to do. So the lowest that I will aim is

622
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,440
Speaker 1: to take it through center of heart. That's about as

623
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: low as i'll possibly aim, because just as soon as

624
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: you aim off a deer, there's gonna be one stand

625
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 1: there and take it right. Um. So I'm always on deer,

626
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: but I will aim center of heart, which is quite

627
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 1: low in a deer's anatomy, So you're just literally two

628
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: or three inches off the bottom of their chest at

629
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: that distance. Um, and it it generally works out pretty good. Yeah,

630
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: you know what about stopping dear? So I know there's

631
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: always this debate between would you want to stop a

632
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: deer because you want a standing still shot, but you

633
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: then risk alerting dear to your presence and then him

634
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 1: possibly drop him more. Or do you, let's say it's

635
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: a very slowly meandering buck, do you prefer the slowly

636
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: slow meander that doesn't know you're there at all? You

637
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: know if you if you've watched my shots through the ears,

638
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 1: they are always preceded by it. Man, I want that

639
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: dear head still, Dick, I'm when I'm aiming at him,

640
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: unless he's close. Okay, if he's close and meandering real slow,

641
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: I'll go and shoot, all right. But if he's out

642
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: there twenty five and by close I mean fifteen and

643
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: in if he's out there at you know, thirty, whatever,

644
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: I want that sucker dead still. I mean, they're they're

645
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: wirey little creatures anyway, And and and the reason I

646
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: want him did still is because I want body posture

647
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: to stop in the position that I wanted in. Because

648
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: their difference between quartering two and quartering away as a

649
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 1: head turn sometimes you know, right, they can open that

650
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: shoulder up or close it down really quickly. If they're

651
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: browsing over here to their left, their right sides open.

652
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: If they suddenly don't even take a step and browse

653
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 1: over here to the right, it closes. It might take

654
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: three rips from me with that front shoulder, if you

655
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like it closes it back up.

656
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 1: So I put him in a dead stop so I

657
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: know the body posture. I read it quickly and go okay,

658
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: there's my seam, and I take it, you know, so

659
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: I always stop him. It's just me, Um, I don't

660
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't like shooting it moving dear. Bad things happen

661
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: when you shoot a moving dear in my in my

662
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: humble opinion. Yeah, let's rewind a little bit to another

663
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 1: thing you mentioned. Um, you talked about this checklist, and

664
00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned when to draw, and that's one of those

665
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: things that almost never gets talked about. But it seems

666
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: like most new hunters never think about that. It seems

667
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 1: to be it takes some time and some experience to

668
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 1: realize that's actually really key decision. Can you walk me

669
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: through some of the things you're thinking about when you're

670
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: deciding when to draw? And then I'll throw apart b

671
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: on that. What about the scenario when the dear spots

672
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,959
Speaker 1: you and you haven't drawn yet, like you're on him,

673
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: you're about to draw back, and then he spots you.

674
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: Do you ever do the I know he's looking at me,

675
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm still gonna draw back and try to get the shot,

676
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: or do you wait? So that's two parter. You're making

677
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 1: my hard pound because that's just just the worst situation,

678
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: right when your targets coming and then he looks up

679
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: at you or looks at you. I hate that it happens.

680
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: I always wait am out. I don't draw with him

681
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: looking at me ever, you know, unless he's broadside and

682
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 1: I feel like I can kill him, you know, and

683
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 1: I feel like I've got decent cover, then I'll draw

684
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: a real slow and shoot. But to your first question,

685
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:15,839
Speaker 1: when do you draw for me? I used to draw

686
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: to them soon and I'd get hung out to dry

687
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: right there there, browsers, they'll stop and they'll nibble on

688
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,360
Speaker 1: a limb, and they'll do this. You know, if you

689
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: draw it the deer at fort yards coming, you're just

690
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,320
Speaker 1: asking for trouble to where you have to let down.

691
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: The more I hunt, the longer I wait to draw.

692
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: I'm I'm almost to the point where I don't draw

693
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: until the deer is well within bow range and he's

694
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 1: he's it's time to kill him. So I'm drawing later

695
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: than I am sooner. But again you have to think

696
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: about not where he's at, but where he's going. So

697
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: is there a tree where his head's about to pass behind?

698
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: Is he you know? Does he stop and turn around

699
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 1: and look for you know, you know a noise you

700
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: just heard? Is it windy out? Is it calm out?

701
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:58,720
Speaker 1: All of those things have to play into your decision.

702
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: If it's calm, that's the tough one man, because they're

703
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: gonna hear that. They're gonna hear your clothes, they're gonna

704
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: hear movement in your tree or in the blind, and

705
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: you just better be ready. If you're gonna draw on

706
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 1: a calm night, he better already be within bow range

707
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: and presumably at a decent body posture. That's what I'm

708
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: drawing on him. Uh. If it's windy and you've got

709
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: decent noise, whether that be from a highway or wind

710
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, you can draw a little sooner and get

711
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 1: it full draw and let him come on in. So

712
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: you have to use some common sense about Okay, is

713
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: this they're gonna hear a seemi draw or is he not?

714
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: If your answer to that is at all yes, he might,

715
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: then I'm waiting until he's already within bow range, so

716
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: that if he stops he and catches you, at least

717
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: you're at full draw and you can get down on

718
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 1: him and hopefully he's still in a good body posture

719
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: to where you can shoot him. So I have a

720
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 1: tendency to wait longer than draw sooner. Now, if it's windy,

721
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: I'll try to get the drop bought him get drawn,

722
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: and you know, if he's coming hard, I'm like, oh,

723
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: that dear is gonna come on through. There's nothing gonna

724
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: stop him. I'll draw a little sooner. In that way

725
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm ready for And boy, when you're at full drawing

726
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: one walks within range, there's no better feeling because you're

727
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: already It's like holding the cross bow at that time. Right.

728
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: But if if he's coming slow, I wait and wait

729
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,720
Speaker 1: and wait and wait until it's time. Because a slow

730
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: moving deer oftentimes stays slow moving, and a fast moving

731
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: deer oftentimes stays, you know, quickly moving. So you got

732
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,839
Speaker 1: to anticipate all that in a moment of truth and

733
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 1: make good judgment calls based on their demeanor, their speed,

734
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 1: and the overall environmental conditions. Yeah, so let's talk archery

735
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: a little bit. So you get to full draw, you're

736
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: at that moment, what do you like? What's here? Do

737
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 1: you have a like an archery shot process, mantra or

738
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,959
Speaker 1: things that you're looking at, like do you check your grip,

739
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 1: check your level? Do you anything like that going through

740
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: your mind at that moment? Or is it just draw

741
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: pinshoot um. No. I I go through a little bit

742
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: of a mental checklist there too, because when I've made

743
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: bad shots in the in the past, it's because I

744
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: gripped my bow too much. I think the adrenaline just

745
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: you know, you just want to, you know, rip a

746
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: hole through your handle. In reality, you've got to loosen

747
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: that grip. So that's the that's the mental checklist that

748
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: I have to go through. Everything else is muscle memory

749
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 1: because I shoot a great deal, so everything else comes

750
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 1: as second play. Bend at the hip is the other one.

751
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: Like if you're gonna make a bad choice, it's or

752
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: a bad shot. Oftentimes you didn't bend correctly. Those are

753
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: the two things that I see are three I should say,

754
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: it's shooting with clothing you're not used to, and your

755
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: anchor point changes too, it's not bending at the hip.

756
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: Are three inch grip in your bow too hard? Because

757
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 1: adrenaline took over in the moment of truth. So I

758
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: go through those three things. Make sure, Okay, my anchor

759
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: points right, I am bent correctly, my back is in

760
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: the correct position, and my grip is fantastic. Then it's

761
00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: it's pin and shoot. So I I do checklist a

762
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:49,959
Speaker 1: few things to make sure that they're all right, because

763
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: otherwise you're gonna make a bad shot. Excuse bad shot.

764
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: It's it's easy. One of the things I've struggled with

765
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 1: over the years is just rushing the shots. I've kind

766
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 1: of come to cull it target panic. It's more so

767
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: like as soon as that pin hits sometimes like the

768
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: arrows flying once the pins where I wanted before I

769
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:09,439
Speaker 1: get to like take a couple of the breaths and

770
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: ease into it. So I've been working on a lot

771
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 1: of things over the last couple of years to try

772
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: to regain control that process. But like you said, there's

773
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 1: it's easy for that to get away from you and

774
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: to forget a few of those things. If um, if

775
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 1: you're not in control, I guess I think you make

776
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: yourself think though like it helps you be in control.

777
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: If that makes sense. You know, it's it's the mindless.

778
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: It's the without thought process shots that you regret. Right,

779
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: do you want to have a lifetime and regret or

780
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: a season of regret or do you want to go

781
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: you know what, I did everything I could to kill

782
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: that deer, and I just missed because I missed judge

783
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: orders or whatever. So make yourself check those boxes, you know,

784
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: grip back, hips, uh, anchor point. Make yourself think, think

785
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:53,959
Speaker 1: through those things, and then you'll make a better shot

786
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: because you did slow the game down. That right there

787
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: is slowing the game down, you know, and you never

788
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 1: if you examine our videos and you watch when from

789
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: Matt to shot going off is literally a half a second.

790
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: The deer still planting its front foot, that's a shot

791
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 1: that was taken too soon. The ones that are executed

792
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: the best through time are the ones where the person

793
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: stops the deer, or after the deer stops and you know,

794
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,280
Speaker 1: the guy's already at full draw and there is aim happening.

795
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: You can tell the checklist is being checked. A great

796
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: example of that is Greg Lessinger this year. Greg's one

797
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,479
Speaker 1: of the best shots that I know of in terms

798
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: of just a guy that goes out hunting. He doesn't

799
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,040
Speaker 1: do tournaments any of that stuff. But you wouldn't want

800
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,240
Speaker 1: to shoot him for a Coca cola in your backyard.

801
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: I mean, the dude can flat handle a bow, all right.

802
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: Well watch him last year on that two thirty nine

803
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: that he killed in Iowa. From the moment he stops

804
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: until that shot goes off, it's like five or six seconds. Man,

805
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: he's going through that checklist. He went through it two

806
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 1: or three times, and he makes a perfect shot. So

807
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 1: force yourself to do it because the deer is not

808
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: going anywhere more often than not. I mean, you gotta

809
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: judge that a little bit. But chances are it's not

810
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: going anywhere because they're just they're they're oftentimes when they

811
00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 1: haven't win. Did you if you've ever noticed deer generally

812
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: quite patient with their surroundings, Like they'll sit there and

813
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 1: they'll examine stuff for I mean, they're like they have

814
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,359
Speaker 1: the patience of a cat. They'll stand there and stare

815
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: at stuff for minutes on end and not move so

816
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: unless they're already about to run. If you've got if

817
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: you've got an at East deer on your hands, or

818
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: one that still hasn't found you, chances are he's not

819
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: going anywhere because they generally don't flee until they have

820
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,399
Speaker 1: to flee. Yeah, does any of this stuff for you

821
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 1: differ when it comes to gun hunting? Does your mental

822
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: checklist or any of these things. Obviously we're not gonna

823
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: be talking about a few of the specifics, but what

824
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: does your process look like? I guess when you're out

825
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: there with the shotgun or the rightful or the muzzle,

826
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 1: I think it's more important because you're dealing with distance

827
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: right more often than not. If they're close, it's one thing,

828
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 1: But if you're dealing with a shot at two hundred

829
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,439
Speaker 1: five man, small mistakes in the back end make big

830
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: mistakes down range. I missed a deer last year. I

831
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: should have never missed the last day, last last hour,

832
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: last twenty minutes of rifles a giant at one five.

833
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: Didn't even know who the deer was. Two five yard

834
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: shot and I shot right over the sucker. And I

835
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,839
Speaker 1: still to this day don't know how I did that,

836
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: Like I just I think I got a little rushed

837
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: because we had already started packing things up, and Wade

838
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: and I were like, well, end a rifle season, let's

839
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: get out of here and go whatever, have a beer

840
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: or whatever. And all of a sudden, up over the hill,

841
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,839
Speaker 1: here comes this giant and I'm like, what the heck

842
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: is that. Wade's like, oh, definitely definite shooter. And he's

843
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 1: coming across the hill pretty quick, not very long. He's

844
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,359
Speaker 1: gonna be out of my side side window. And I

845
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 1: rushed through all that stuff, didn't do any of my

846
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: checklist stuff, got the gun out the window, put it

847
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: on him, and I missed the deer. Gun out of

848
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: the window of the blind and I missed the deer,

849
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: And um, that one still haunts me, makes me mad. Actually,

850
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, taking a little more time, I would have

851
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: killed that deer because it's a shot, you know, I mean,

852
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: you ought to be shooting a popcan top right, you know.

853
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,440
Speaker 1: But um, I missed him, And that was just I

854
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,720
Speaker 1: rushed it, got excited, rushed it. Yeah, it happens. What

855
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 1: so that's your question. It is just as important, if

856
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: not more, you know, you add distance to it and

857
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna goof it up. Also, make sure your guns on.

858
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: That's the biggest mistake people make, you know, it is

859
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: assuming that scope still on from the previous year. It's

860
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: a that's a bad assumption because they do float. Yeah,

861
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,279
Speaker 1: it's easy to get lazy with that. I have been

862
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: guilty of that in past years. For sure, you should

863
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,120
Speaker 1: practice with a gun almost as much as you do

864
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,240
Speaker 1: with a bow. The good shooters do, the bad ones don't.

865
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: If you practice, practice makes perfect and everything you do

866
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,640
Speaker 1: when it comes to taking the life of an animal,

867
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,399
Speaker 1: you owe it to that animal and get your butt

868
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: on the range. You can't make an assumption. And I

869
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 1: think bow hunters are kind of like guilty of this.

870
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, it's a gun, just go out and

871
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: kill one. Well, it's not necessarily the case. Take the time,

872
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: whether it's a muzzleloader, shotgun, rifle, take the time on

873
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: the range, just like you do with your bow, and

874
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,720
Speaker 1: you'll be a lot happier in the end. Yeah, speaking

875
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,879
Speaker 1: of practicing situations like that, um and and and I'm

876
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: guilty of what you just said. But another thing that

877
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 1: I've done over the years that has helped me. I'm

878
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: curious if you've ever done anything like this is I

879
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: try to practice for potential specific situations once I get

880
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 1: in the tree or in the blind. So let's say

881
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: I climb up into the tree, I get settled, and

882
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: I've still got like three or four hours before primetime.

883
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: When I had that little bit of free time early on,

884
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: I will actually grab my bow and I will look

885
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: at a potential spot I think there's gonna be a buck,

886
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 1: and then I will draw back and imagine a buck

887
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,880
Speaker 1: walking to that lane and actually go through almost the

888
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: entire process. And I try to do that every spot

889
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: I think there might be a shot, um, just like

890
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 1: mentally walking myself through that exact scenario, like really physically

891
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: think looking at like thinking, okay, there's a buck, he's

892
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: an eight point or it's it's this buck I've been chaseding.

893
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: Here he comes. And I try to somehow practice that scenario.

894
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: And I think that helps me a little bit, that

895
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: kind of visualization technique. Do you ever do anything like

896
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: that or do you think there's merit to something along

897
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: those lines? Absolutely, every single day I've ever set in

898
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: a tree or blind exactly what you just described. And

899
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: I have a tendency to do it throughout the sit,

900
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 1: even if I'm not drawing, I'm still mentally going, what

901
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: if he walks through here? What if he walks through there?

902
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: What if he walks through there? And I think it's

903
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: one of the reasons that you know, if if you've

904
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: had a really good hunt and a hard hunt, you

905
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: go home and you're pretty mentally fatigued, right you know,

906
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 1: you go home and you're like kind of drained. Have

907
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,319
Speaker 1: you noticed that, especially during the rut when you have

908
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,399
Speaker 1: the sits are longer, and you're anticipating a deer coming

909
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 1: from anywhere at any time, because I don't want to

910
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: be caught, so I'm constantly looking. I'm trying to to

911
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: scan the brush find that deer before he comes out,

912
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: so you can get the drop on him. But I'm

913
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: also anticipating prior to that where he's coming. Mentally go

914
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 1: through your checklist and go, I'm gonna kill him right there,

915
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill him right when he goes beyond that limb.

916
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: And then how often have you done that? And when

917
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,320
Speaker 1: why did I not trim that limb when I was

918
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: trimming the standout? You literally don't get through some of

919
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,719
Speaker 1: these scenarios hanging the set and trimming it more often

920
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 1: than not. Uh, most spots I've been to, and even

921
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 1: I'm guilty of this, they're not trimmed appropriately to go

922
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 1: in and bow kill a deer. Like I think most

923
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: people don't trim enough uh to make good ethical shots

924
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Um so that's a little bit off topic.

925
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 1: But so you tend to air on like you would

926
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: like big you know, big airplane landing strips and make

927
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 1: sure everything's cut because I know some people are the

928
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: other way and say, well, I don't want to get

929
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 1: spotted in the tree, so they just make a little

930
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: holes you would lean the other direction. I make holes

931
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 1: that I make shooting lanes in every possible angle, every

932
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: possible situation. But I leave the cover to my back.

933
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm really a big, big back cover guy, you know.

934
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: So I have a lot of cover in the tree.

935
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: A lot of times I'll drag it up there with me,

936
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: you know, to give myself back cover. It's it's the

937
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: lack of back cover when I've gotten caught the most. Uh.

938
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: Front cover is not nearly as important. In fact, front

939
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: cover will cost you do your just because you've got

940
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 1: to shoot through it, over and around it. Whatever it is.

941
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't I don't like a lot of front cover.

942
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:50,720
Speaker 1: I like back cover. Yeah that makes sense. Uh okay,

943
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 1: So let's take it to the next step. You've slow

944
00:45:56,880 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: the game down, you've went through your checklist, you didn't

945
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: rush the shot, you put the pen just they're a

946
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: little bit low and in the heart region, you trigger

947
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: the buckets shot. What is going through your mind in

948
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: those immediate moments the first ten seconds after that shot.

949
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: Walk me through everything that's happening in your mind immediately

950
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: after the trigger goes off. The first thing is interpret

951
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: point of impact. The second thing is interpret penetration. Those

952
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: two things have to be first and foremost because you're

953
00:46:30,160 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: gonna want to know those later. The third thing is

954
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: am I seeing blood immediately? The fourth thing is if

955
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: there's an exit, is their blood coming out of that exit?

956
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:41,799
Speaker 1: Where is that exit wound? If you get to see it?

957
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 1: When when they when the deer runs off. So the

958
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 1: moment I make a shot, I generally have my um

959
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: glass on, so my bows down and I've got glasses

960
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 1: up as quick as a cat to get them on

961
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 1: that deer and get all of those bits of information,

962
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 1: because you've got like milliseconds right to find out whether

963
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: good of penetration, where's the exit hole? Is their blood

964
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: coming out of? Either one? And then fourth, how far

965
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: is he going? I'm listening and watching, listen, watch, listen, watch.

966
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,320
Speaker 1: I can't see him anymore. All right now I'm listening.

967
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: Do I hear him fall? And then I sit there

968
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: and listen for quite a while more often than not,

969
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: because I want to hear, because oftentimes you'll have a

970
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 1: hit where they'll go stand out there for three or

971
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 1: four minutes and then they fall over and you hear

972
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: that secondary crash, or you may hear that crash first

973
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: times through, and then you have to interpret was that

974
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: him falling over? Where was that him just you know,

975
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: busting through brush? So you've got to interpret all that

976
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,799
Speaker 1: literally within seconds. And if if you don't, then you

977
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 1: find yourself going, what just happened? You know? And then

978
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: that's the worst feeling, right, I have no idea where

979
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: I hit him. I don't know if I contraction. I

980
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: didn't watch where he went to Landmark. You gotta watch

981
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: as far as you can so you can landmark. They'll

982
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, the last little thing, and I'll often right away,

983
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:57,800
Speaker 1: I'll take my phone up and I'll point at the

984
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 1: last place I saw that, dear, and I snap a picture,

985
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: so I've got it right. While you're still in that

986
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: same position, I grabbed my phone, point the last place

987
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: I see, and I snap a picture. And then my

988
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: finger says, you know, because you don't know, you might

989
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: be coming back that night, you might be there the

990
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 1: next day. But at least you can go to your

991
00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: last landmark because you've got a picture of it. And

992
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: then when you get out there, you go, oh, here's

993
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 1: where I'm pointing out. I'm right here, you know. So

994
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 1: that's another thing that I do. Um you know, because

995
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: all of those things are part of the overall evidence

996
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: that you're gonna need to track that deer. And it's

997
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: another reason we did uh Deer Cash track. We have

998
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 1: a whole interview in there about the totality of evidence.

999
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 1: It's John Inglecan talks about the totality of it all

1000
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: the time. The bucks are the deer's demeanor, what he

1001
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: did after the hit, What does the arrow look like,

1002
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: what does first blood look like, is there any hair?

1003
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 1: There are there beds along the trail. All of those

1004
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: things add into the clues that help you find your

1005
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 1: deer and not bump the deer, because ultimately, tracking comes

1006
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: down to not pushing that deer out of their initial

1007
00:48:57,760 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: bed or the bed they're gonna die in. If you

1008
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: can do that, you're gonna find a lot more of them.

1009
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: And if you if you start to pile up that

1010
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 1: totality of evidence the moments after the shot, like your

1011
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,439
Speaker 1: checklist literally switches gears from all the things we talked

1012
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 1: about leading into the shot to those three or four

1013
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: things following the shot, and if you're mentally doing all

1014
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: those things, it actually helps you perform more in the

1015
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,520
Speaker 1: moment of truth because you're not screwing it up because

1016
00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: you're all excited, you know, fast forwarding through all that

1017
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: stuff going, I can't wait to get him on Instagram, right,

1018
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 1: you know. The worst thing you can do is is

1019
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,680
Speaker 1: worry about the prize before you actually go through the

1020
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:33,839
Speaker 1: effort to find in the deer. Yeah, it's almost like

1021
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: you see a lot of people like they know this,

1022
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: they know they should be watching and thinking about these

1023
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,400
Speaker 1: things and trying to keep track of all this data

1024
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,839
Speaker 1: that happens in those first couple of seconds. But then

1025
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: the rush of adrenaline excitement afterwards is just kind of overwhelming,

1026
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 1: and then a couple hours later they're back at camp

1027
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 1: and their buddies are okay, so where was the shot?

1028
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,759
Speaker 1: And there's like, well, I thought it was right behind

1029
00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 1: the shoulder, but I don't know, maybe I'm forgetting, you know,

1030
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: like there's all these things that seems like you almost

1031
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: black out in some cases, and stuff gets fuzzy. It

1032
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: almost seems like it would be helpful if immediately after

1033
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,320
Speaker 1: the shot you were required to answer all those questions

1034
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 1: right now, ten seconds after while still freshen your mind

1035
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 1: before everything gets crazy right down on your maybe even

1036
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: in your app right. So, okay, point of the impact

1037
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: was here, penetration seem to be this much last known

1038
00:50:23,320 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: point was x y z Um. Just a way to

1039
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: document that before your mind gets even crazier in the

1040
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: in the next hour as you go through all that excitement,

1041
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: Um said, it goes along with the picture, right, Take

1042
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: the picture if you're there by yourself, send it to

1043
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: your buddy and write out all your thoughts that you

1044
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 1: just had in the moment of truth. Go here's what

1045
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: I thought I saw Da da da da da da

1046
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:45,239
Speaker 1: da Right that list out, send it to him. Then

1047
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: you've got a copy of what you were thinking in

1048
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: the moment. It was. It was interesting in talking to

1049
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 1: John through this process because John's got tracking though, so

1050
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: he gets called in on the really bad hits, and

1051
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:59,640
Speaker 1: it's if if he's called in, something went wrong already. Okay,

1052
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: So he's like, it is amazing to me how often,

1053
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: he said, I would bet of the time when I

1054
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: find a deer that the guy described where he hit it,

1055
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: where the hit actually was isn't isn't the same, he said,

1056
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: they will misinterpret it more often than not, and that's

1057
00:51:15,640 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: why they end up making a mistake when it comes

1058
00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: to the tracking. So that's why podcasts like this, apps

1059
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: like Deer Cash Track will help guys get through that

1060
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: adrenaline learning curve, if you will, or that adrenaline roadblock

1061
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: that causes us to make bad, bad decisions or just

1062
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: black out. Like you said, you know, you just start

1063
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 1: missing things and it's like, why am I doing that? Well,

1064
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: you're excited, that's why we're why we're all out there hunting.

1065
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: But at some point it gets back to the advice

1066
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: Tomy has given us for so long. Slow the game down.

1067
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 1: Damn it, you're about to screw this up, you know,

1068
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: don't screw it up, don't do it, don't let yourself

1069
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:52,760
Speaker 1: talk yourself through it, and and don't make that mistake.

1070
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: All right. So then with that in mind, the first

1071
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: piece of data you can probably start adding to this

1072
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:02,359
Speaker 1: totality of it ins is other than Okay, you saw

1073
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: the point of impact. You noted to yourself what penetration

1074
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:07,480
Speaker 1: was and where he went, and those handful of things

1075
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: you mentioned the deer's behavior. Could you walk me through

1076
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,840
Speaker 1: a couple of different common deer um. What am I

1077
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,439
Speaker 1: trying to say? When you when you watch a deer

1078
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: runoff or go off, there's a few different types of

1079
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: behavior I've noted that typically would indicate something like if

1080
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:25,360
Speaker 1: a deer does this, that probably means this kind of hip.

1081
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: I know you've seen the same things, and you've you've

1082
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 1: called these out before. Could you walk us through a

1083
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 1: couple of those common types of behaviors that you've noted

1084
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,160
Speaker 1: in the past and what they mean. There's a bunch absolutely.

1085
00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:38,239
Speaker 1: Did a mule kick? Uh, mule kicks one of the

1086
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: first ones. Meal kicks oftentimes are positive more often than not.

1087
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 1: You know, a mule kick deer, I end up finding that, dear,

1088
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: although I've hit a few deer low that we didn't

1089
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: find that ended up alive, you know, days later or

1090
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 1: weeks later, that mule kicked and we didn't get him

1091
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:54,279
Speaker 1: just because the hit was very low. And you will

1092
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 1: kick because of that, but we're often than not mule

1093
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: kick is a good thing. Um, when you shoot them,

1094
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: are they getting were they calm? Okay? And then did

1095
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: they leave as a scalded dog? Okay? That I have

1096
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: noticed through time as being a generally good sign, not

1097
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 1: all the time. And one thing about deer that are

1098
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: hit with a bow or a gun or whatever. Tracking

1099
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: there are some probabilities, but you know, nothing is totally probable,

1100
00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,520
Speaker 1: and anything is possible when it comes to white tail deer.

1101
00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 1: But there are some things that generally lead you to believe,

1102
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 1: you know what, I smoked him and he's on his

1103
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: death run. So calm deer suddenly becomes scalded dog. That's

1104
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:38,040
Speaker 1: generally not a bad thing either, So wouldn't started to interrupt.

1105
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: But before we go on, when you say scalded dog,

1106
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: do you mean like he's running off with his tail

1107
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: between his legs or like just out of their scared,

1108
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: out of their fast. I mean it's hard and as

1109
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: fast as he can go. That that's what I mean

1110
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,760
Speaker 1: by scalded dog, like he went from zero to fifty

1111
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: as fast as he can do it. Um other things

1112
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: that I look for, their ears, Do their ears droop back? Uh?

1113
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,479
Speaker 1: Did they hunch up? Are you are you dealing with liver,

1114
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: stomach or an intestinal hit? Are they hunched? Did they

1115
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 1: run fifty sixty yards? Stop, hunch up and then walk?

1116
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: All of those things are part of that totality of evidence.

1117
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,480
Speaker 1: You know, if you if you get a deer that

1118
00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: does that, chances are he is not immediately fatal. And

1119
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: you bet or go to deer cash track or call

1120
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:22,680
Speaker 1: somebody's and find out how long you need to wait,

1121
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 1: because more often than not, a deer that runs fifty

1122
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: even a hundred yards stops, hunches up, and walk slowly.

1123
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: You didn't hit where you thought you did, or you

1124
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 1: didn't hit where you hoped you would. Um. Also another

1125
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: big one. Did the deer stop, open his mouth and

1126
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: then start to labor for breath? You would go, okay,

1127
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 1: well that's a long hit. More often than not, a

1128
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,799
Speaker 1: laboring breathing deer is oftentimes stomach or liver. So watch

1129
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: that type stuff. Is he licking his nose very rapidly.

1130
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 1: Another another thing that I look for. A deer that's

1131
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: looking his nose probably got blood coming up into that

1132
00:54:58,200 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 1: nose and he's looking at trying to figure out what's

1133
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: going on, right, you know, So that would tell you

1134
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: there's there's something arterial that was hit or perhaps long hit,

1135
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: and he's getting blood up into his his nasal cavity

1136
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,560
Speaker 1: and he's feeling it in his nose and he starts

1137
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: licking it. Um. What about the tail flick? So the

1138
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: deer runs off fifty or hundred yards, stops and then

1139
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: starts walking away, maybe not noticeably hunched up, but you

1140
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: see this like tail flick, this flick flick flick flick

1141
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:25,279
Speaker 1: flick flick and slowly walking away. Is that indicative of

1142
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: the same thing? You know, I've seen tail flicks very Um.

1143
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: I've seen them do that where they start flickering and

1144
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 1: and in general I think that's a better uh sign

1145
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: than a poor one. And oftentimes they'll walk and then

1146
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 1: die and be and be dead within three to five minutes.

1147
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: Uh So, what I've noticed through the years that scalded

1148
00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:53,280
Speaker 1: dog means that perhaps you cut something that was immediately fatal.

1149
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: You've hit the order, the jugular, the karate, the polaric,

1150
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:01,000
Speaker 1: one of those main arteries, and they run until they die. Right,

1151
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,719
Speaker 1: The run a little ways scalded for a while, and

1152
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: then stop and start to walk with that tilt tail flitch,

1153
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 1: and they'll just walk to their death. That sometimes is

1154
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: double lung but you didn't catch the artery going through

1155
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: the lungs, but yet still immediately fatal, but a little

1156
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,359
Speaker 1: bit longer, not seconds, but minutes, right, um. But I've

1157
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,400
Speaker 1: also seen dear hit high on the shoulder and walk

1158
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: away tail twitching, looking around sometimes by their dear the

1159
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: deer's alertness after the hit. Look at their eyes, Look

1160
00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: at what they're looking at. Do they look like they're sick,

1161
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 1: or do they look like they're still attentive and they're

1162
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:41,360
Speaker 1: not hit very well at all. That will sometimes tell you, okay,

1163
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: that's a little bit bit of evidence right there, he's

1164
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 1: not fatal yet. Um. Intestinal deer will do that. Sometimes

1165
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 1: they don't look very they look very attentive because there's

1166
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: not much hit back there. You know, you go through

1167
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: the deers and testines, you know he's gonna die through

1168
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,600
Speaker 1: sepsis one way or the other. If you didn't hit

1169
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: any arteries. You went straight in testines. You know you're

1170
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:05,000
Speaker 1: looking at a thirty thirty two, thirty six hour process

1171
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 1: and that all that stuff has to go throughout the

1172
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 1: deer's blood system and kill him by going septic. So

1173
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: you know that you know that deer is gonna be

1174
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: very attentive in the immediacy after the shot. Whereas liver

1175
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 1: liver hit deer, well, it takes a man and they

1176
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: lose blood pressure, they start to wobble, they'll run into

1177
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,400
Speaker 1: trees and they feel real wobbly, and then they may

1178
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: go bed immediately because they don't feel good well through time,

1179
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:32,760
Speaker 1: they start to clot up, and that liver clots up

1180
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,680
Speaker 1: in there. And if you haven't hit the the artery

1181
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:37,400
Speaker 1: that goes into the liver or runs past it, then

1182
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: he's gonna regain his strength. He's gonna bed seven eight times.

1183
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: It may take nine hours, twelve hours, fifteen hours liver

1184
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,800
Speaker 1: hit deer, depending on broadhead size, or they very drastically

1185
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 1: in mortality. Uh, the smaller the broadhead, the longer you're

1186
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: gonna have to wait, perhaps sixteen eighteen hours. If you're

1187
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: shooting a one inch I call him p Shooters not

1188
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: to criticize anybody, But I used to shoot those small broadheads,

1189
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: right and you go to the liver and all of

1190
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, you're gonna wait sixteen eighteen hours. Switched to

1191
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,200
Speaker 1: the bigger cut on uh, you know, the mechanical type

1192
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: two point three from rage. It dropped our liver hit

1193
00:58:12,320 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: weight time down to seven eight hours. They're dead a

1194
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 1: lot of times they're dead and two or three. You know,

1195
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: when you're when you're killing by hemorrhage, you gotta cut them.

1196
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:22,640
Speaker 1: And if you're not cutting them, you're gonna wait a

1197
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: lot longer. It's one of the reasons I switched away

1198
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:28,440
Speaker 1: from smaller, smaller dermator broadheads. And and I know a

1199
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys are passionate about this point, but it

1200
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: all comes down to that point right there. And and

1201
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 1: deer cash track. You look at a liver hit deer

1202
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: with a two inch to two point three inch cut,

1203
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:42,760
Speaker 1: you're looking at, you know, maybe three hours, maybe six eight,

1204
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: nine hours, something like that, depending on which part of

1205
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 1: the liver same hit. Smaller broadhead like an inch or

1206
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: say it's even seven eight seven inch or something smaller.

1207
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: Even if it's three blades, you might be eighteen hours

1208
00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: twenty hours because you just didn't cut enough, he's not

1209
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: bleeding enough. It didn't didn't kill him, So they very

1210
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: great and immortality. So speaking of of broadheads and arrows,

1211
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:09,919
Speaker 1: let's jump to that next stage then, which is you

1212
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 1: you observe the deer. You're figuring out a little bit

1213
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:14,960
Speaker 1: about his behavior. Now you've got to decide, all right,

1214
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: it's time to go down and get the arrow. How

1215
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: long do you usually wait before getting down to checking arrow?

1216
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 1: And do you always go to the arrow or are

1217
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: there's some situations where you don't even want to walk

1218
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 1: the twenty yards that direction. You have to just back

1219
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: right out. Yeah, if my gut tells me that this

1220
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: deer is not immediately fatal, then I'm waiting till dark,

1221
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:36,480
Speaker 1: or I'm waiting until mid morning when the wind gets up,

1222
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm slipping down and out. And I generally

1223
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: don't go to the arrow if I feel there's any

1224
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: chance that he's he's right there, you know, or it

1225
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: could see me or hear me, and and you run

1226
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,720
Speaker 1: into that A lot with gut shots, there's stomach or

1227
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 1: intestines or liver. Right, they'll they'll run sixty yards walk

1228
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: twenty in bed down, you know, and they're just out

1229
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: of your side, or or they may be within your sight.

1230
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: I've had that happened before, where they bed down and

1231
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 1: they bed they're facing you and they're like, oh my goodness, gracious.

1232
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: So you just got to make sure you don't bump

1233
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 1: that deer because if you move that deer out of

1234
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: that first bed, and that's what every decision you make

1235
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: after you shoot that deer should be based around not

1236
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 1: moving that deer out of his initial bed. If you

1237
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: can do that, you you were money ahead down the line.

1238
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: If you do do that and you all of a

1239
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: sudden take a trail that would have been a hundred

1240
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: hundred fifty yards and turn it into four or five

1241
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: hundred yards, well I can assure you that additional two

1242
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,240
Speaker 1: to four hundred yards is going to be a nightmare

1243
01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 1: for you because they coagulate and clod up almost immediately

1244
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 1: and you just can't find the blood. I mean, it's

1245
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: very tough. So I do everything I can to not

1246
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: move that deer out of out of his initial bed.

1247
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: So my thought process on going to look at an

1248
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: arrow more often than not, unless it's a situation where

1249
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 1: you know he can't see you or hear you, I'll

1250
01:00:58,080 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 1: go out there and grab it and get out of there.

1251
01:01:00,240 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: But if it's one that at all, by chance he

1252
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: might here see or smell you, I'm getting down and

1253
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: getting out, you know, and trying to make sure he

1254
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: doesn't know that that I was there. I always are

1255
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: on the side of caution, right Like even on double

1256
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:19,520
Speaker 1: long hits something. Taylor is always like, you're so pessimistic, Dad,

1257
01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:23,120
Speaker 1: a little pitsimistic, and I'm like, I just try to

1258
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: be realistic because through the years it goes back to

1259
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 1: my conversation about you know, nothing's probable and anything's possible.

1260
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: Like I've had dear smoked. I mean, we got it

1261
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 1: on video double lung, and seven eight hours later, I'm

1262
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: still jumping this bugger and it's like, how is this possible? Man?

1263
01:01:40,560 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: Blood trail is wide as a pickup truck, and he's

1264
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 1: still not dead, you know, I mean, things vary from mortality.

1265
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 1: Inside of a deer, they just do you know, if

1266
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: if you don't clip an artery somewhere in their body,

1267
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: chances are they're not going to die within seconds, which

1268
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,080
Speaker 1: in our mind we're all optimistic. Oh, let's go get

1269
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: the deer. Let's go get him. I noise dead. I no,

1270
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,840
Speaker 1: he's dead. What if he's not? You know, so weather

1271
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: comes into play. You know, you gotta look at that

1272
01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: as well. Or you're dealing with or you're dealing with

1273
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: you know, rain coming, or is it cold enough to

1274
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: keep the deer good? You know, Um, if you've hit

1275
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 1: him back. Here's another another little known fact, and Bobby

1276
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 1: Culvertson taught me this one. A warm temperature deer that's

1277
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: hit through the intestines will die much quicker than a

1278
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: deer in cold temperatures because the sepsis takes over in

1279
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 1: a much shorter period of time. So if it's smoking

1280
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: hot in the first part of the season, probably gonna

1281
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:36,680
Speaker 1: lose the meat because it's the only way to kill him.

1282
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:39,480
Speaker 1: But the deer is gonna spoil as the deer actually

1283
01:02:39,480 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: sits there and dies. Um. If it's colder, it's gonna

1284
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 1: take much longer. You might end up retrieving the meat,

1285
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,760
Speaker 1: but it's gonna take much longer. Those deer that are

1286
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: hit back, I mean, it's you just gotta you gotta

1287
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 1: do everything in your power to not hit them back there.

1288
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: It's still gonna happen, but you want to make sure

1289
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: that you give the deer every chance you can to

1290
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: make a good, clean, ethical kill. Yeah, I want to

1291
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about, um, how weather conditions impact

1292
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: your decisions, but I guess I'm gonna try to stick

1293
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 1: in our little scenario here before I jumped to that, um,

1294
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:13,560
Speaker 1: because the next piece of evidence is what you see

1295
01:03:13,720 --> 01:03:16,440
Speaker 1: at the sign of the hit. Can you walk me

1296
01:03:16,440 --> 01:03:18,360
Speaker 1: through a few things you look for and what they

1297
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: might indicate. Um, you know, I'm oftentimes at the sign

1298
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:25,360
Speaker 1: of the hit, you don't get a lot You ever

1299
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: noticed that it's like, well, there's no blood here, right?

1300
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 1: It might be because of a red green color blind marker. Yeah,

1301
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 1: everybody a lot more than we know. But oftentimes some hair.

1302
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: You know, white hair is a bad thing in general.

1303
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: Brown darker brown hair is good. Gray hair in between somewhere,

1304
01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:47,080
Speaker 1: But sometimes there's hair. Sometimes there's immediate blood, which I like.

1305
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,920
Speaker 1: That means you went through something quickly that's spurred it out.

1306
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: If that immediate blood turns into immediate and constant blood,

1307
01:03:54,360 --> 01:03:56,360
Speaker 1: that's probably a real good thing. You probably hit an

1308
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,760
Speaker 1: artery that's under pressure, and you're gonna find that deer

1309
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:04,320
Speaker 1: very quickly. If, however, there's no blood may or may

1310
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: not mean anything. How high was the hit? Was there

1311
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: an exit? Is there blood coming out both sides? It's

1312
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: one thing I always want to know because I don't

1313
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: shoot a lot of poundage because I'm always dealing with

1314
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: that that sore left shoulders. So I'm still shooting in

1315
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: the in the low fifties. So often if you watch

1316
01:04:18,480 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 1: my shots on TV, they'll go through the on side,

1317
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:23,960
Speaker 1: lodge on the off side and not poke out the

1318
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: other side. But I'm shooting a two point three right,

1319
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: so I'm just driving it through and uh, I often

1320
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: don't get an exit. I'm oftentimes stuck in the off

1321
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,800
Speaker 1: shoulder frankly, and it just it's not going to exit

1322
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,640
Speaker 1: through there. But the deer runs seventy eight yards is

1323
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,760
Speaker 1: dead down for the count because I went through the

1324
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 1: good stuff. Uh So just because you don't have immediate

1325
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: blood doesn't mean that the deer isn't dead. Uh you know,

1326
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: did you shoot through the shoulder and then the shoulder,

1327
01:04:51,720 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: Actually the meat in that front shoulder can seal off

1328
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: the hole that then entered into the front body cavity.

1329
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,560
Speaker 1: And I think that's something important that we haven't talked about.

1330
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: You can learn a lot about tracking deer and where

1331
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: to shoot deer if you'll just do an almost autopsy

1332
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:10,160
Speaker 1: on everyone that you shoot, and just even when you butcher,

1333
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, look at the bone structure, look at the

1334
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,959
Speaker 1: meat structure, and go, holy calf, I hit a deer

1335
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:17,360
Speaker 1: right here. Look what I've got to go through to

1336
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: get in the cavity. Whereas if I'm two inches behind

1337
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: that on a quartering away, I got nothing to get

1338
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: through to get into that cavity. You know, there's a

1339
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: big difference in that that shoulder and the meat within

1340
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: that shoulder. So look at all those different things when

1341
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 1: you're getting a deer or are butchering a deer, and

1342
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:36,520
Speaker 1: it helps make better decisions going forward the next time

1343
01:05:36,520 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 1: you're out there a field. But back to your question,

1344
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm looking at everything I can get,

1345
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: But often that first fifty sixty yards there's not a

1346
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,720
Speaker 1: ton of evidence there for you, because you know that

1347
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: blood has to start filling up inside the cavity before

1348
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,000
Speaker 1: it starts spilling out that hole. So if you've got

1349
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 1: a mid chest to above mid chest, a lot of

1350
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 1: times those blood trails are kind of tough because you

1351
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 1: know all the bloods inside. Yeah, all right, So you're

1352
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: forty yards down the trail then and you finally get

1353
01:06:02,320 --> 01:06:06,120
Speaker 1: some really good blood. Uh color. I know there's a

1354
01:06:06,120 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 1: lot of you know, basic stuff out there, but is

1355
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: there any nuance to coloring that you're looking for to

1356
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,919
Speaker 1: help indicate anything about the shop? Oh? Absolutely, yeah, man,

1357
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 1: I like pink. I like that bright red, pinkish air.

1358
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 1: You find air in blood. You're talking about something that's arterial,

1359
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,640
Speaker 1: which is great. Uh, I was That's my first thing

1360
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: I look for. Is there bubbles present or is there not?

1361
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,640
Speaker 1: And then I look at color. Uh, pink, bright red,

1362
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 1: very good artery. Okay, so that's that's coming out of

1363
01:06:34,920 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: the heart feed the rest of the body. If, however,

1364
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: it's dark and with no air, chances are that maybe

1365
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 1: vein or meat. Then you look at how dark is it.

1366
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:47,280
Speaker 1: If it's quite quite dark, almost maroon to brown, chances

1367
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 1: are that maybe just a meat hit. Then you look

1368
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: at the presence. Is there grit? Is there any any

1369
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: substance within it? All right? Did you hit that um

1370
01:06:56,680 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: that stomach when you were actually oh I smoked him.

1371
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm along, Wait are you liver stomach? Are you just

1372
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:08,400
Speaker 1: clean liver? Those types of things. Are those Those hits

1373
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: will become evident as you learn to interpret blood and

1374
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,200
Speaker 1: what the different blood signs mean. So I'm constantly looking

1375
01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: at at color and and most importantly content of the blood.

1376
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 1: Is it air? Is it not air? Is it grit? Yeah?

1377
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:26,120
Speaker 1: Are there any other pieces of evidence that we haven't

1378
01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: touched on then that get you to the decision time?

1379
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 1: As far as when did go? I feel like we've

1380
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: covered like walking versus running? Blood is another one that

1381
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: I look at is that is it a distance between

1382
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,919
Speaker 1: blood spots? And are the blood spots spatters to where

1383
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:47,720
Speaker 1: they hit and then fan out or are they droplets?

1384
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 1: Is the deer standing there? Is it puddling? The moment

1385
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 1: a deer on a blood trail stops and puddles and

1386
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:58,800
Speaker 1: is standing there thinking, Then I start to go back

1387
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: in time and go, Okay, did I interpret this correctly?

1388
01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: Did I hit where I thought I hit? Maybe I

1389
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: didn't hit what I thought I did. And I'm always

1390
01:08:06,800 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: the moment they stop and start walking or standing, I'm like, oh,

1391
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:14,000
Speaker 1: not dead. He's thinking, he's thinking what's going on here?

1392
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: One thing I've noticed about fatally hit dear they will

1393
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: often run to their death or they will run and

1394
01:08:19,160 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: then walk to their death. Dear that stop and start

1395
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 1: to think and start to look for a bed. That's

1396
01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: the other thing is meandering looking for a bed. That's

1397
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:29,120
Speaker 1: a deer that's not quite ready to die yet. And

1398
01:08:29,200 --> 01:08:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, did I already bump him? You know

1399
01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: that's that's a bad sign when you get to that.

1400
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: So if you've tracked immediately and you start to see that,

1401
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: and you're on wet blood and you start to see

1402
01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 1: a dear meander, you're like, oh, did I already run

1403
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: him out of here? And did you know? And I

1404
01:08:41,920 --> 01:08:43,840
Speaker 1: didn't know that I did it, So you know, you

1405
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta always be ready to give up, you know,

1406
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: always be ready to go. Oh, things aren't exactly what

1407
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 1: I thought here. Yeah, that's an interesting point because I

1408
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:54,640
Speaker 1: feel like a lot of times when I've been out

1409
01:08:54,680 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: with friends and I probably have jumped to this assumption too.

1410
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: When you see the puddle of blood, sometimes jumped to

1411
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 1: the opposite conclusion, like a bunch of blood. He's gonna

1412
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 1: be here any minute, like he's he's he's right around here.

1413
01:09:04,920 --> 01:09:07,600
Speaker 1: There's a huge pool right here. That's so often what

1414
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,600
Speaker 1: you hear um. But you make an interesting point, it

1415
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,800
Speaker 1: might be the exact opposite situation, and then because you

1416
01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: get so excited and you think he's close, you actually

1417
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: do the worst possible thing, push him out of where

1418
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,680
Speaker 1: he would have been. Yeah, in reality it just went

1419
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:24,560
Speaker 1: from running to walking too stopped and therefore the blood increased,

1420
01:09:24,680 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: when in reality his speed his speed decreased. These chances

1421
01:09:28,120 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 1: are he's not dead yet. Yeah, Okay, so we've looked

1422
01:09:32,240 --> 01:09:35,799
Speaker 1: at all this evidence. We have analyzed the totality of evidence,

1423
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,800
Speaker 1: as you guys are calling it now. I know in

1424
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: the tracking app there's gonna be a whole lot of

1425
01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:42,599
Speaker 1: different types of scenarios covered in a lot of detail.

1426
01:09:43,080 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: But can you give us just like a couple of

1427
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: the most likely, most common scenarios and then how that

1428
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: impacts your decision as far as when to start tracking?

1429
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 1: So double long? How long do you wait? Gut shot?

1430
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,800
Speaker 1: How long do you wait a few things like that. Absolutely,

1431
01:09:58,960 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 1: If if in any hit I see blood under pressure

1432
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:07,720
Speaker 1: coming out or forming under the skin, whether it be

1433
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 1: on video with my own eyes, once you see blood

1434
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:14,479
Speaker 1: and lots of blood, then that's always a great sign

1435
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 1: you've hit an artery that's under pressure coming out of

1436
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:20,439
Speaker 1: the heart, and chances are that deer is dead before

1437
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:22,560
Speaker 1: you before you get out of your stand. You know,

1438
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: that's always a good thing. If you don't see the

1439
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,600
Speaker 1: presence of blood, then that's a different scenario and you

1440
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:31,160
Speaker 1: have to start backing up. And even if you double lungum,

1441
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 1: sometimes you get a lot of blood on double lung shots.

1442
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:36,920
Speaker 1: Sometimes you don't. There are arteries. It's the aortic that

1443
01:10:37,040 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 1: goes right through the middle of the lungs up to

1444
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: the top of the back and then backwards towards the

1445
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:44,799
Speaker 1: back formoral artery that the arctic turns into the formoral

1446
01:10:44,840 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: back in the top of the ham right and it's

1447
01:10:47,479 --> 01:10:49,639
Speaker 1: really big up through there. It's quite big through the lungs.

1448
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,000
Speaker 1: If you clip it going through that deer is dead

1449
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: in seconds, and if you don't, might be a little

1450
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: bit longer. You know, I have a tendency to give

1451
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:01,200
Speaker 1: double long hit deer that don't bleed heavily at the

1452
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 1: impact an hour to two at least um. If I

1453
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: do have a lot of blood right away, I go,

1454
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,120
Speaker 1: I go very quickly. Uh. The tricky one to me,

1455
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 1: and the one that I see people probably make the

1456
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 1: most mistakes on, is that heart, liver, stomach area along

1457
01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: the bottom right there. I mean literally through six inches.

1458
01:11:23,439 --> 01:11:28,160
Speaker 1: You go from immediacy to nine to twelve hours to

1459
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 1: twenty four to thirty hours within six inches. And and

1460
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 1: I always say an inch a cost you a mile, right,

1461
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: A second might cost you a mile if you don't

1462
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 1: if you don't think an extra second before you shoot,

1463
01:11:40,479 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: it might cost you a mile if you're if you're

1464
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 1: back an inch from the heart and you didn't hit it,

1465
01:11:45,160 --> 01:11:46,439
Speaker 1: you go, well, I'm in the ribs. I got I

1466
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: got it, man. I smoked him. Um Taylor had a

1467
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,320
Speaker 1: hit like that, oh three years ago, fork the pig

1468
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: Missouri buck ray ss straight through I mean just behind

1469
01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: the heart. Um, miss the heart and missed the lungs,

1470
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,839
Speaker 1: square through the liver. He was alive at the fourteen

1471
01:12:04,840 --> 01:12:07,840
Speaker 1: hour mark the next day, and we found him at fifteen.

1472
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: He was he was on his last last leg, all right.

1473
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,639
Speaker 1: We put that hit out on social media and said,

1474
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,479
Speaker 1: what would you do in this situation? Everybody was smoked him,

1475
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,160
Speaker 1: go get him, smoked him, Go get him, smoked him,

1476
01:12:18,200 --> 01:12:20,080
Speaker 1: go get him. And that wasn't the case. And we

1477
01:12:20,200 --> 01:12:22,679
Speaker 1: interpreted it correctly that night. And we did that because

1478
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: of the blood sign. She made the hit. They waited

1479
01:12:26,080 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 1: till dark backed out. I wasn't with her in this case,

1480
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: Scott Rupert was. We looked at the hit and I said, man,

1481
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:33,120
Speaker 1: you're right on that verge. You're you're right behind the heart.

1482
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: You might be just liver. And then we looked at

1483
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: the blood sign. It was dark, it had grid in it,

1484
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: and we were like, we're out of here, you know.

1485
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: We backed out, waited till fourteen hours. We didn't jump

1486
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: the deer. We found him in his first bed. He

1487
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 1: did get up and moved us a little bit, but

1488
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,880
Speaker 1: he was dead at the fifteen hour mark. So those

1489
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,920
Speaker 1: that hit right there, right behind the heart, you get

1490
01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: through the liver and everybody, everybody, I mean, the people

1491
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 1: that participated in that, and I'm talking we had two

1492
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:03,680
Speaker 1: or three hundred opinions were like, smoked him, go get him.

1493
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons we did. Dear Cash

1494
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,800
Speaker 1: track that right there so that you can interpret the

1495
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: difference between that shot and that shot. There's also a

1496
01:13:11,880 --> 01:13:14,599
Speaker 1: difference in gut shot. Dear did you hit stomach, did

1497
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,439
Speaker 1: you hit large intestines, front, did you hit mid or

1498
01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: did you hit back? We examine all of those different hits,

1499
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: and the fact that arteries within a deer taper out

1500
01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: and deplete as they run backwards within the deer, with

1501
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 1: the exception of the aortic, which goes into the femoral

1502
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: But if you get into those guts, you run out

1503
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 1: of those things and you're you're you are much better

1504
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,400
Speaker 1: off if you're going to hit one in the guts

1505
01:13:37,640 --> 01:13:40,360
Speaker 1: to be a little bit forward, closer to the blood system,

1506
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:42,599
Speaker 1: to the heart which is pumping in than you are

1507
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:44,960
Speaker 1: to be at the back, you know, front of guts

1508
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 1: might be able to go in twenty hours, backup guts

1509
01:13:48,280 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: probably looking at thirty you know, thirty two something like that,

1510
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,800
Speaker 1: big difference because there's not as much blood. Wow, what

1511
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,760
Speaker 1: about what we're talking lungs there? A second ago? What

1512
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:00,600
Speaker 1: about the dreaded single lung shot? All right, Well, for

1513
01:14:00,680 --> 01:14:02,679
Speaker 1: a while it wasn't dreaded, but I feel like recently

1514
01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 1: it's been something that's talked about quite a bit. Is

1515
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: that something you've had trouble with? We actually examine it

1516
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 1: in depth in the in the app and it was interesting. Myself, Terry,

1517
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 1: Bobby John all gave our opinions independently of the other

1518
01:14:17,400 --> 01:14:20,639
Speaker 1: and we all had the exact same opinion on one

1519
01:14:20,760 --> 01:14:24,200
Speaker 1: lungs and that is, more often than not they don't die. Um,

1520
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,599
Speaker 1: we all said the same thing. One long hits are

1521
01:14:27,600 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 1: the trickiest we've ever tracked. More often than not you

1522
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 1: don't get them. Um. The deer can go on one long,

1523
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: plain and simple. So it it, it, more than anything else,

1524
01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: should keep you from shooting straight down onto a deer,

1525
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:44,799
Speaker 1: or should make you discipline in terms of the angle

1526
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: in which you shoot the deer. If they are out there,

1527
01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:48,720
Speaker 1: you know you want to make sure that you at

1528
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: least take long liver or both lungs out, because if

1529
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: you get one lung, because these two far quartering away,

1530
01:14:55,800 --> 01:14:58,080
Speaker 1: then you're asking for trouble and you're probably not gonna

1531
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:00,320
Speaker 1: find the deer. One long deer probably the worst you

1532
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:02,040
Speaker 1: can have as a bow hunter, in my opinion, one

1533
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,920
Speaker 1: of the worst. And how long would you wait in

1534
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: that kind of scenario. I'll wait eight to ten hours

1535
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:09,200
Speaker 1: probably then go look either that or if I've got

1536
01:15:09,240 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 1: a lot of room to go, one long hit deer,

1537
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:13,680
Speaker 1: probably the appropriate thing is get on him, and get

1538
01:15:13,680 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: on them quick and try and keep them bleeding, to

1539
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 1: try and bleed them out because once they coagulate, they're

1540
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: gonna start to heal up and they're gonna go on

1541
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,559
Speaker 1: that off along. So kind of along those lines, then

1542
01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:27,960
Speaker 1: what about this scenario where it's raining or snowing really

1543
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:31,719
Speaker 1: heavily and you're worried that you know you're gonna you'renna

1544
01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: lose blood, do you? I've always said, I've always struggled

1545
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: this internally. I've always imagined there's two situations you could

1546
01:15:38,680 --> 01:15:40,920
Speaker 1: go for. You could say, Okay, it's raining and snowing,

1547
01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lose my blood soon. That means I need

1548
01:15:43,439 --> 01:15:45,800
Speaker 1: to start tracking sooner than later, because I want to

1549
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: take advantage of what blood I do still have. That's

1550
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 1: option A. Option B is the opposite, which is, Okay,

1551
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 1: I'm probably not gonna have a good blood trail no

1552
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:55,840
Speaker 1: matter what, So I want to make sure that I

1553
01:15:55,960 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: don't push him and make it impossible to find him.

1554
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:00,320
Speaker 1: If I don't push him too soon, he'll that down

1555
01:16:00,360 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: relatively quickly, and I can hopefully with where I saw

1556
01:16:03,680 --> 01:16:06,559
Speaker 1: him last, and then some smart grid searching from there,

1557
01:16:06,600 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 1: I'll find him close. Those have always been the two

1558
01:16:08,840 --> 01:16:12,800
Speaker 1: scenarrows I've contemplated in my head, what which do you

1559
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:14,639
Speaker 1: think is the better option or is there something between?

1560
01:16:14,680 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 1: Are different entirely. I agree with both of those, and

1561
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: I think it probably goes some some more thinking on

1562
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,280
Speaker 1: top of that is what shot am I willing to

1563
01:16:23,360 --> 01:16:26,040
Speaker 1: take today? Given the forecast that I just looked at

1564
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:27,960
Speaker 1: for I climbed in the tree or climbing in the blind,

1565
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: versus if there is no rain in the forecast for

1566
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: the next seven days, right, you know, like if it's

1567
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:37,479
Speaker 1: those days, like there's certain days because tailor shoots an

1568
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: inch and a half, we just look at each other

1569
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: and go, you know what, probably not a good idea

1570
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:43,639
Speaker 1: to hunt tonight. You know, if the blood trails wiped out,

1571
01:16:44,240 --> 01:16:46,439
Speaker 1: just we're not gonna find the animal. It's not fair.

1572
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:48,920
Speaker 1: Let's let's just hold off, you know. And I'm the

1573
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:50,760
Speaker 1: same way. There's nights where I are wait and I

1574
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:54,640
Speaker 1: go and we're not hunting tonight. You know, you you

1575
01:16:54,760 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 1: go through enough tough blood trails on great hits, and

1576
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: you go, we don't need anything working in aginst us

1577
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: with snow or with rain. So if there's a fresh

1578
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 1: snowfall coming, probably not gonna hunt. If I do, my

1579
01:17:07,360 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: shot is going to be within fifteen yards and I

1580
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: know it's a freaking slam dunk double long watch him

1581
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:15,639
Speaker 1: fall down in the field. That type of thinking. Same

1582
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 1: with rain rains a I I oftentimes just don't go

1583
01:17:19,640 --> 01:17:22,760
Speaker 1: or if I do, um it's a slam dunk shot,

1584
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 1: or I'm not gonna take it. I know I'm gonna

1585
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: double along the deer. So I think you you add

1586
01:17:27,000 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 1: into your decision making or your thought process with you

1587
01:17:30,520 --> 01:17:34,439
Speaker 1: know I'm gonna I'm gonna hold off on certain shots

1588
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 1: or not go at all. Yeah, that's an interesting point

1589
01:17:37,720 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: and a and a and a good thing to be

1590
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:43,599
Speaker 1: thinking about. Like you said, um, the ultimate most important

1591
01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 1: thing of all this is is making sure that you

1592
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 1: do everything you can to to recover a deer. And

1593
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:50,200
Speaker 1: if you are shooting a deer that you don't even

1594
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: think it's possible to recover because of those uh factors,

1595
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 1: then what the heck are you doing out there? So

1596
01:17:55,640 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: exactly now, now you know, storms pop up that weren't predicted.

1597
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:02,080
Speaker 1: You know what if you're shooting and you hit a

1598
01:18:02,160 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 1: deer and say in the liver, and all of a sudden,

1599
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:10,040
Speaker 1: unexpected snow squall blows through and dumps two inches. Oh my, goodness,

1600
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 1: Now what do we do? I have to wait. I

1601
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 1: know he's alive right right now. I know he's not

1602
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:16,880
Speaker 1: dead yet. So I'm in your option be there where

1603
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,639
Speaker 1: I'm I'm waiting longer than then I you make sure

1604
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: you don't bump him out of that bed, absolutely make

1605
01:18:23,439 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 1: sure and and go out there and find him in

1606
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:29,599
Speaker 1: that first bed. Yeah, that that's always what I've aired towards.

1607
01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,000
Speaker 1: I would rather just make sure it's not a mile

1608
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: and a half two mile track shop. Um, that hundred

1609
01:18:35,240 --> 01:18:37,680
Speaker 1: yards away hopeful bed is is a much better best

1610
01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:44,439
Speaker 1: case scenario worst Um. Okay, So now we've made a

1611
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,560
Speaker 1: decision as far as how long we're gonna wait, we

1612
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,040
Speaker 1: get back out there to do our tracking after the

1613
01:18:50,080 --> 01:18:53,840
Speaker 1: appropriate amount of time without we're kind of running that

1614
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: time here. But I guess as much as you can

1615
01:18:55,800 --> 01:18:58,720
Speaker 1: share here about what you're tracking process, looks like I

1616
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,680
Speaker 1: would be interested. Um Like, how many people do you

1617
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,679
Speaker 1: like to have? How many? Too many? Um? What things

1618
01:19:04,720 --> 01:19:06,880
Speaker 1: are you thinking about as you go? Um? I know

1619
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,080
Speaker 1: there's sometimes people like to do this. Someone always waits

1620
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:10,840
Speaker 1: at last blood and then one other person goes ahead

1621
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:13,040
Speaker 1: and you do like a leap frog approach. Anything you

1622
01:19:13,080 --> 01:19:16,480
Speaker 1: want to share. As far as the actual tracking process, absolutely,

1623
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: I think it's vitally important. I like to track with

1624
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 1: three people, and I like someone at last blood and

1625
01:19:22,720 --> 01:19:26,080
Speaker 1: to other people that can see quite well out in

1626
01:19:26,200 --> 01:19:28,720
Speaker 1: front looking if you're at night, I think the guy

1627
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,720
Speaker 1: at last blood also needs to be looking forward in

1628
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:34,320
Speaker 1: front of them to see if a deer gets up,

1629
01:19:34,600 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: you know, with his light. Make sure you're not seeing

1630
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:38,240
Speaker 1: eyes that type of stuff, because they're focused on the

1631
01:19:38,240 --> 01:19:40,880
Speaker 1: ground look over blood. You need somebody focused on on

1632
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: inside the woods or are inside the field or whatever

1633
01:19:43,479 --> 01:19:45,840
Speaker 1: you're looking for. Make sure you're not seeing eyes get

1634
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:47,960
Speaker 1: up to make sure you didn't didn't jump them. And

1635
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: I also think that when you have people tracking, it's

1636
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,639
Speaker 1: not a bad thing at night if you at all

1637
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 1: think that the animal could still be aliable. First of all,

1638
01:19:56,840 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be tracking. But if by chance you're like, oh,

1639
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 1: this thing could be alive, be very quiet, and that's

1640
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,240
Speaker 1: day or night. I always track like they're alive regardless.

1641
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I just always make that assumption they're alive

1642
01:20:08,280 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: until you find them, because if by chance they're alive

1643
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 1: and you've tracked as if they're dead, you bump that

1644
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:17,560
Speaker 1: sucker two hundred yards ago, right, and you you've just

1645
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 1: literally almost eliminated your chance as a fighting the deer.

1646
01:20:20,720 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of I'm not the most pleasant guy

1647
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 1: to track with because I'm really strict about shut up,

1648
01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 1: don't make a nobody says a word when we track nothing.

1649
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:34,519
Speaker 1: We don't even utter a word unless it's whispering or

1650
01:20:34,560 --> 01:20:36,960
Speaker 1: hand signs that type of stuff, because you know, what

1651
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: if they are alive. You know what if we cause

1652
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: that deer to get up when we're four hundred yards

1653
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: from him, I mean, you're ruining your chance as a

1654
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:46,200
Speaker 1: finding name, right, Like, what if the blood trails four

1655
01:20:46,280 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 1: hundred yards long and you struggle through the first two hundred,

1656
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: and you've talked through that two hundred and you get

1657
01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: to the two hundred yard mark and you go, you

1658
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:55,280
Speaker 1: know what, I didn't hit where I thought we need

1659
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 1: to back out. Well, what if in that two hundred

1660
01:20:57,640 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: the deer that was four hundred yards away just put

1661
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:02,519
Speaker 1: an additional five between you and him and you didn't

1662
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: even know it. You caused that, and you didn't realize

1663
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: until you got there two hundred yard mark. I need

1664
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:10,680
Speaker 1: to back out anyway, Well, take the precaution in that

1665
01:21:10,760 --> 01:21:13,599
Speaker 1: first two hundred yards to not spook that deer. I'm

1666
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: also very cognizant of like, if I'm on the edge

1667
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:20,439
Speaker 1: of I need to wait ten hours versus twelve hours. Well,

1668
01:21:20,479 --> 01:21:22,840
Speaker 1: if there's a wind switch that puts me in a

1669
01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:25,360
Speaker 1: disadvantage coming at the ten hour mark, I'm gonna go

1670
01:21:25,400 --> 01:21:28,080
Speaker 1: a little sooner than I am later, if that makes sense.

1671
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 1: In other words, if the deer ran away in an

1672
01:21:30,200 --> 01:21:33,080
Speaker 1: up wind position and I'm getting ready to go tracking,

1673
01:21:33,320 --> 01:21:35,320
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the wind direction for the hour that

1674
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:37,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go tracking to go, you know what, We're

1675
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 1: gonna have the wind in their favor and go old.

1676
01:21:39,479 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: No winds that are back, I'm gonna I'm I'm gonna

1677
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,160
Speaker 1: go before it turns if I can, or if it

1678
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:47,120
Speaker 1: switches right away, I'm waiting longer before I go. If

1679
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:49,479
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense,

1680
01:21:49,560 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: and something that that I haven't thought about enough. Yeah,

1681
01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 1: don't put your wind across the animal, you know. So

1682
01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:57,600
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you know, it's you know, it's like,

1683
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,639
Speaker 1: what if we put our wind across somewhere He's gone on, buddy,

1684
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you're not fine that dear, you better, wait,

1685
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: you better, mcdar aren't sure he's dead for you get

1686
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,240
Speaker 1: on that track job, because he's gonna smell you before

1687
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:10,200
Speaker 1: you even get there. So think of every single thing

1688
01:22:10,360 --> 01:22:12,240
Speaker 1: that goes into a track job before you ever go

1689
01:22:12,400 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 1: out there. The weather ahead, the weather behind, what's coming?

1690
01:22:15,280 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: Is it heating up? Is it cooling down? Are you

1691
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: gonna be dealing with frost? And the first thing in

1692
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,760
Speaker 1: the morning, Well, let's wait till it burns off, because

1693
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 1: you're not gonna see the blood. It's a you know,

1694
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 1: it's a white carpet out there. Those types of things, UM,

1695
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,880
Speaker 1: will help you. What about the situation where you get

1696
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,160
Speaker 1: out there after the appropriate amount of time and you

1697
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:34,880
Speaker 1: lose blood? Uh? Do you have a system in place

1698
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: for how you try to like expand out from there

1699
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 1: with a grid or circle? Or in that situation do

1700
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:42,640
Speaker 1: you always back out and wait a little longer? What

1701
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: about that if we're convinced that they're dead, if we've

1702
01:22:46,120 --> 01:22:48,280
Speaker 1: convinced we've waited the appropriate amount of time, which more

1703
01:22:48,320 --> 01:22:50,879
Speaker 1: often than not, when we track, we are fairly convinced

1704
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 1: that animal is dead. I always are on the side

1705
01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,759
Speaker 1: of caution. Um, Then when I run out of blood.

1706
01:22:57,040 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: We look exhaustively and I'm talking hours to three, four

1707
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: or five hours trying to trying to work that track out,

1708
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,639
Speaker 1: because your best chance of finding an animal, in my opinion,

1709
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: is to get on blood, stay on blood until it

1710
01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:13,640
Speaker 1: leads you to a dead deer. Once you once you

1711
01:23:13,760 --> 01:23:16,559
Speaker 1: lose blood and you start the grid thing. More often

1712
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:19,000
Speaker 1: than not, it's very difficult to find the dear. You

1713
01:23:19,080 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: can do it. You got a chance. But oftentimes those

1714
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 1: deer that I end up gritting on, I get on

1715
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 1: camera in a week later, ten days later, two weeks later,

1716
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,519
Speaker 1: or whatever. Once we start gritting, more often than not,

1717
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,880
Speaker 1: we don't find him. And oftentimes it wasn't the hit

1718
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,800
Speaker 1: we thought it was. It wasn't fatal. If you know

1719
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:37,400
Speaker 1: it's fatal, you know, if you know it's a it's

1720
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 1: a gut shot deer, and guts are protruding out both

1721
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,280
Speaker 1: sides of the whole. There was zero blood along the

1722
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,960
Speaker 1: entire track job that I'm waiting the appropriate thirty to

1723
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 1: thirty two hours or thirty six depending on temperatures, and

1724
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 1: then i'm my butt is going and I'm I've got

1725
01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:55,599
Speaker 1: a bunch of buddies. Were still quiet, and we spread

1726
01:23:55,640 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 1: out and we start gritting it very thoroughly, any any

1727
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:02,760
Speaker 1: anything beyond the obvious. When it comes to a grid

1728
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:07,600
Speaker 1: search strategy, there is a just spread out walk you know.

1729
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,320
Speaker 1: It's it's that, it's that grid strategy. And I used

1730
01:24:10,360 --> 01:24:12,680
Speaker 1: the on X app. I put my tracker on to

1731
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: make sure that I'm hitting everything thoroughly and I'm not

1732
01:24:15,320 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 1: leaving any holes, and that that app will help you

1733
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,479
Speaker 1: grid and grid appropriately. You know, for years you go, okay,

1734
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:23,479
Speaker 1: well let's take this, take this, take that. Well, you

1735
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:25,160
Speaker 1: didn't know whether you hit that area or not with

1736
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: that tracker on you, and it shows you where all

1737
01:24:27,240 --> 01:24:29,439
Speaker 1: you've been and all your buddies have been, you know,

1738
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: whether you've appropriately gridded it or not. Yeah, very very

1739
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:35,960
Speaker 1: helpful to all. I do the same thing now when

1740
01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:40,479
Speaker 1: you're out there looking by the way. Yeah, agreed. Another

1741
01:24:40,600 --> 01:24:42,720
Speaker 1: thing A lot of times people are thinking about when

1742
01:24:42,800 --> 01:24:45,439
Speaker 1: they get to that body search period, right, it's it's

1743
01:24:45,439 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 1: a bad scenario to being. But if you end up

1744
01:24:47,240 --> 01:24:49,000
Speaker 1: in that scenario and you're trying to grid search or

1745
01:24:49,080 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: just looking for it with nothing to guide you, um,

1746
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: oftentimes people will kind of run out these tropes like

1747
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:56,800
Speaker 1: well a buck will never run up hill, or a

1748
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,559
Speaker 1: buck's likely to go to such and such place. Are

1749
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: there any of those types of things that you either

1750
01:25:03,240 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 1: believe are are very true and we should think about

1751
01:25:05,520 --> 01:25:08,320
Speaker 1: or our myths. The buck up the hill and I

1752
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 1: just dismissed because I've seen fatally hit deer goes straight

1753
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:13,080
Speaker 1: up the hill and die at the top of it,

1754
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: one of the steepest hills you could possibly imagine. I've

1755
01:25:15,160 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: seen gutshot deal go through hill and hollow and die

1756
01:25:18,200 --> 01:25:20,360
Speaker 1: in the fifth one. I mean, it's back to the

1757
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:23,599
Speaker 1: anything as possible scenario when it comes to that type

1758
01:25:23,640 --> 01:25:29,479
Speaker 1: of stuff. Um, you know, there there are some things

1759
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:33,000
Speaker 1: that I look for um when it comes to that,

1760
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:37,639
Speaker 1: but it's it's probably generally the further back you get

1761
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:40,639
Speaker 1: in the in the in the animal, and the longer

1762
01:25:40,720 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 1: it takes them to die, the more likely they become.

1763
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 1: In my opinion, the more the two things, they'll go

1764
01:25:47,040 --> 01:25:51,760
Speaker 1: seek out really intense cover because they feel fairly vulnerable,

1765
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:56,000
Speaker 1: our water because they're thirsty, So I have a tendency

1766
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 1: to hit that really really thick cover and those watering

1767
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:02,519
Speaker 1: watering holes. It's amazing how many deer you find by

1768
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: a watering hole or a water source when they're fatally hit,

1769
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 1: especially when the hit is back. Yeah, yeah, that's that

1770
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,560
Speaker 1: seems to be a consistent thing I've I've seen and

1771
01:26:11,880 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: heard and look in the sky man, look for buzzers,

1772
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: look for crows, look for birds, listen for birds. We

1773
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:22,040
Speaker 1: found a pile through the years, just you know, mother nature,

1774
01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: help help you find him. Uh, coyotes. You know, Terry

1775
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:28,640
Speaker 1: killed Dangerous Calling last year and he had a hit

1776
01:26:28,760 --> 01:26:31,720
Speaker 1: that was back and low, and um, you know, we

1777
01:26:31,880 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 1: we couldn't find the deer. We had rain hit washed

1778
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 1: the blood trail away. We knew roughly where he went,

1779
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 1: and um couldn't find him. And one of my you know,

1780
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 1: my big grass patches on my warm season grasses. Those

1781
01:26:42,840 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: things are miserable attracted by the way. And you know,

1782
01:26:46,800 --> 01:26:50,400
Speaker 1: Wade and I were hunting, uh, not long after that,

1783
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:52,840
Speaker 1: when within a day or two or three whatever it was,

1784
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,400
Speaker 1: we hear coyotes open up over and then in the farm.

1785
01:26:55,439 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: And I'm like, listen, that that's not far off from

1786
01:26:57,360 --> 01:26:59,639
Speaker 1: where we were tracking Dangerous Calling. And now I'm telling

1787
01:26:59,640 --> 01:27:02,200
Speaker 1: you we had gritted and stomped it out and looked,

1788
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 1: and we could not find this deer. We gave it.

1789
01:27:04,479 --> 01:27:07,240
Speaker 1: We gave it day's worth of efforts, all right effort,

1790
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: and then we heard those coyouts in a little bit

1791
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:12,440
Speaker 1: different spot went there and there he laid. So sometimes,

1792
01:27:12,520 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 1: as Terry said that night, mother nature giving back. Yeah,

1793
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: it's it's nice when they lend a hand in that way. Yeah, unfortunately,

1794
01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:21,439
Speaker 1: you know, we lost the meat of the deer. But

1795
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean we've never looked for a dear harder or

1796
01:27:24,680 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 1: more thoroughly than we did for that dear it was.

1797
01:27:27,439 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: It was days. Yeah, better to better to find it

1798
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,080
Speaker 1: in that situation than never at all. I guess absolutely,

1799
01:27:34,240 --> 01:27:36,439
Speaker 1: you know, absolutely you owe it to the deer to

1800
01:27:36,479 --> 01:27:37,720
Speaker 1: give it all you got. And if you do and

1801
01:27:37,800 --> 01:27:40,360
Speaker 1: you fail, then sometimes you just you chalk it up

1802
01:27:40,400 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: to experience and you you try to make a better

1803
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,640
Speaker 1: shot the following time. Yeah, let and learn live and

1804
01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,439
Speaker 1: learn what life's about about the time you know it

1805
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,880
Speaker 1: always you know you're gonna pass away. Yeah that's the truth.

1806
01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,479
Speaker 1: And what well of age or so wise man, they've

1807
01:27:55,520 --> 01:27:59,559
Speaker 1: done it, see it? And I guess speaking of wisdom, Um,

1808
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:02,960
Speaker 1: this has been another one of those conversations you never

1809
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:06,120
Speaker 1: failed to uh to be very very helpful. Mark this

1810
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: is Uh, we're gonna have to wrap it up because

1811
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:09,559
Speaker 1: because both of us are over time here a little bit.

1812
01:28:09,640 --> 01:28:13,640
Speaker 1: But man, really interesting, really helpful. So so thank you,

1813
01:28:14,479 --> 01:28:17,040
Speaker 1: oh man, thank you. I appreciate it, Mark and hope

1814
01:28:17,080 --> 01:28:19,960
Speaker 1: everybody has a great fall this year. Check out deer Cast.

1815
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1818
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1819
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1820
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1821
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1822
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1823
01:28:40,040 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: we're going into a pay model. Last year it was

1824
01:28:42,439 --> 01:28:45,040
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1825
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 1: fifty thousand people download the app, and uh, this year

1826
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1827
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1828
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1829
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1830
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1831
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Speaker 1: We do an article a day and there there's over

1833
01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:10,200
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1834
01:29:10,360 --> 01:29:12,920
Speaker 1: by this time next year we'll be over seven hundred.

1835
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:16,080
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1836
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1837
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1838
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1839
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:28,240
Speaker 1: they enjoy the stuff we're putting in Deercast. Yeah, it's

1840
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 1: some some really high quality stuff. I can attest to that.

1841
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 1: And and what what general timeframe or when should people

1842
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,720
Speaker 1: expect to be able to access this new stuff. You know,

1843
01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: we're soft launching here in early August, so by mid

1844
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: August hard launch it'll be out and you know, certainly

1845
01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 1: in time for when the first season's open up out

1846
01:29:46,360 --> 01:29:49,639
Speaker 1: West and it's uh, she's gonna be rolling heavy by

1847
01:29:49,960 --> 01:29:52,839
Speaker 1: by late August. But but here anytime, you know, mid August,

1848
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: it's ready. Awesome. Well, I for one, I'm excited to

1849
01:29:56,120 --> 01:29:58,400
Speaker 1: put it to work. So thanks for this chat, and

1850
01:29:58,479 --> 01:30:01,599
Speaker 1: thanks for putting all this helpful content out there for everybody.

1851
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,040
Speaker 1: Oh Man, appreciate you Mark, thank you so much for

1852
01:30:04,040 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: having me on. I always enjoy visiting with you me too,

1853
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,280
Speaker 1: and that is a rap. I hope you enjoyed this

1854
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:12,680
Speaker 1: one as much as I did. Like I said at

1855
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:15,080
Speaker 1: the top, I knew this one was gonna be fascinating.

1856
01:30:15,200 --> 01:30:17,240
Speaker 1: I definitely found it to be. So I'm glad we

1857
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,280
Speaker 1: got to share this with all of you, and hopefully

1858
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:21,080
Speaker 1: all of us will be able to put this advice

1859
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:23,800
Speaker 1: to get use in the coming weeks and months as

1860
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,680
Speaker 1: they're hunting seasons kick off. I certainly hope I've got

1861
01:30:26,720 --> 01:30:31,439
Speaker 1: a couple opportunities to work on perfecting my my moment

1862
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: of truth process and my recoveries. So until then, thank

1863
01:30:36,280 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 1: you for listening, and stay wired to hunt.