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Speaker 1: you joining us now, Johann, He's telling us, Uh, people

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Speaker 1: who think Janice has this glamorous life should know that

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Speaker 1: Yanni was just explained to us that it is, in

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Speaker 1: fact possible to do a quick stop at Costco. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't mind doing Costco KEENBA. Costco is the international

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Speaker 1: shipping Yeah, there is a t Yeah, but you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like you see context containers to say Costco. No,

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Speaker 1: I think it's commonly said both ways. For sure, people

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Speaker 1: there's both out there, and I think when people refer

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Speaker 1: that um he calls Barnes and Noble, um books and Nobles,

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Speaker 1: just saying that you adopted all of that stuff. By

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Speaker 1: Do you receive gifts from this man at Christmas? Okay? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're you're clear of the stepdad thing. Then something a

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Speaker 1: little bit old step dad? I think so too, getting

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Speaker 1: older every day. You guys caught the I didn't send

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Speaker 1: this to Phil. The finger that had fifteen inches attendant

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Speaker 1: attached to it was an alarming photograph on ice, the color,

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Speaker 1: everything about it. I sent it to my wife. She's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to see this, and I said, no

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Speaker 1: because the tender kind of throws you off. Well, because

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Speaker 1: him in it's self perpetuating as his dad. That's the

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Speaker 1: guy over in Billings, guy from Billings he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the finger? No, I'm gonna talk about what happened to

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Speaker 1: the finger. He's gonna be at the show. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: I think about having him up on stage just to

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Speaker 1: was a welder. Somehow got his finger tore off, and

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Speaker 1: done the little trick that we like to do with

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Speaker 1: then you just yank the leg from the well carefully

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Speaker 1: hanging onto the drumstick. I guess it would be right

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Speaker 1: not quite the thigh. You yank all those tendons right

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Speaker 1: big version of that. Yeah, I challenge. I don't want

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of my like pop references are old.

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Speaker 1: Um a couple of things. So well, oh the finger,

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Speaker 1: what happened? Uh working on a he's a welder and

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Speaker 1: then you throw out the dark and you eat the wood, right,

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Speaker 1: But I think it's that joke. But he's just spinning

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Speaker 1: ten ten joke? I don't know what that is. Someone

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Speaker 1: way my father would. Um. Yeah, soft plastic six inch

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Speaker 1: the cattle don't like to go in there, so the

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00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,400
Speaker 1: grass doesn't get grazed on the oak teo humps, which

424
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: I thought was a very plausible theory. They maybe there's

425
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 1: some sort of like safety from predators as well. Yea,

426
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: like stuff doesn't want to go in because it's a

427
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: it's a wee thing where it's thick and open. At

428
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: the same time, you can like it can be covered

429
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: in okatillo, but yet you can see every square inch

430
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,480
Speaker 1: of the hillside, but you can't go running across that hillside.

431
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Um, So we're like we're hunting

432
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: like fairly close to I mean, you're looking back into

433
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: the U and we should like do a better job

434
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: of describing okatillo. Oh, go ahead. It looks like a

435
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:33,800
Speaker 1: giant torture apparatus. It's like, uh, like, uh, a spaghetti

436
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 1: noodle that's twelve feet tall. Yeah, I think it can

437
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: be two in diameter at the base. The giant one

438
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 1: covered in very very durable cactus thorns with a yellow

439
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,920
Speaker 1: flower off and the yellow flower looks pretty yeah, And

440
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 1: if you took it and cut it off and then

441
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: d bird a section for a handle m, you would

442
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: have a formidable yes. And each plant probably has I

443
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: don't know, quite a few stocks kind of coming out

444
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 1: in v formation I'm looking at when you google images,

445
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: it's all just pictures of it in the springtime when

446
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 1: it's blooming and actually has a beautiful red flower on it.

447
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 1: But we never see that since we're down there in January. Uh.

448
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 1: Point I was gonna make about we're gonna tak fair

449
00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 1: bit about this, but pint I was gonna make about

450
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,239
Speaker 1: a thing about the mountains and snores like like just

451
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: across the border from Arizona. Um, it kind of contradicts.

452
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: It contradicts a point I've often made about like pristine

453
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,080
Speaker 1: like pristine habitats is that I would always say, like

454
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 1: in the US, we've we've gotten to a point where anything,

455
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: like all the stuff that we have this pristine is

456
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: pristine because someone kind of decided to have it be

457
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: that way. Right, Like for a lot of our nation's history,

458
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: we had pristine places in spite of our efforts to

459
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 1: like get rid of them all. And then we had

460
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 1: a switch. We like had a national mindset change, and

461
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: and now we kind of like have pristine things because

462
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: we've decided that there they should be that way, right,

463
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: like we do things to may hope to to help

464
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: them stay that way protections. But down there it's like

465
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: it just really I said every time we talk about

466
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: this every year, if you talk about Cuisier, it is

467
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: it is like traveling. All you need to do, like

468
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: you cross this geopolitical it's like very seemingly arbitrarily paced

469
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: geopolitical boundary and crossing the Mexico and everything changes. Yeah,

470
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: Like you cross a fence and there is a guy

471
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: on the side of the road with a splitting mall

472
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:54,600
Speaker 1: and a giant pile of messki basically split the serve,

473
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: split the serve, cooking wood. It is a different place.

474
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: And then you go in the mountains, it's like it's

475
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: like off, you'll see anyone for days, and then you

476
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: finally see some person riding on a trail off in

477
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: the mountains with like three dogs and a lever action

478
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: car being in a leather scabbard on the side of

479
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: a horse going Lord nolswhere and he does that every

480
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: single day with a burlap sack full of his stuff

481
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: that he needs tied around the saddle horn is a

482
00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: different land. And you look, if you look really hard,

483
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:34,720
Speaker 1: there's some I'm very sure, state of the art surveillance balloon,

484
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 1: you know, suspended above the border. And it's just so

485
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: weird that that is there, and probably like all the

486
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: technology on the freaking planet to some degree right there.

487
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: And then you have this handful of Caballeros that are

488
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:56,960
Speaker 1: living like that stuff never existed, no electricity, and so

489
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to, like, over the years,

490
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: we've haunted quite a number of I'll explain a little bit, no,

491
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, y you do it? Explain how the system

492
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: works down there, Janni, do all the all the Triman's about,

493
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: Like at the state, you know, they make an assessment,

494
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Jay Scott cal I just have a quick correction. This

495
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: did a quick little uh Google search on Caballero and

496
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: I think it's uh Caro, Mexican, gentleman, it's Caballero Ca. Yeah.

497
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: But people always criticize how we save a Carol. They

498
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 1: say it's Carol. Right now. You're supposed to say your vs,

499
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 1: like like Vanado is you know Bonado Vanado? We say Vanado,

500
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: dear umot is with in Sonora, it's wild turkey. Well,

501
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: Bato likes El grande turkey. That's yeah, big chicken. Now,

502
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: what do you want me to explain? How? How? How

503
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: have some life to start? I want you to start?

504
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 1: Yep yep ye nuts to soup. Best to my knowledge,

505
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: um a wildlife biologists that is that works for the

506
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: Mexican federal government, goes to all right, state state government

507
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: my understanding. Okay, so he works for the Sonora, Sonoran

508
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: state government. Person. Yeah, they go to each of these

509
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: ranches and they sort of do a game count and

510
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: they look at the habitat and then from there they say,

511
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: this ranch you guys own. You guys can have six

512
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: or ten or twelve deer tags, twenty have Lena tags,

513
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: and who knows what else They turkey tags too. That's right,

514
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: that's probably about it. Yeah, maybe maybe you can speak

515
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 1: to Anty Anthony's hundred ducks in Mexico. Right, it was

516
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: a different situation than a ramstone. Are different states, so

517
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna work differently. And and and then yeah, in other

518
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: areas of scenari, they have mule deer, but we never

519
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: see him where we go, and so they have these tags,

520
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: and I guess they the family could just take the

521
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: tags and go hunting, or they could just give them

522
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: to friends. But what's happened because of the popularity of

523
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: Cou's Deer Because I want to interject, because I'm developing

524
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: a theory about this, I don't think that they give

525
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: a ship about the tags. I guess they want to

526
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: hunt deer. They hunt deer, mm hmm. My sense that

527
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: could be too. My sense is like, oh, how cute

528
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna give me deer tags, okay, which are valuable. Yeah,

529
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 1: but I don't think that. I don't think that the

530
00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: Vicarro's Bacarro's. I don't like saying Bocarro's. Is that really

531
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: how I'm sposed to say it? Okay? I don't think

532
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: that those guys are like applying for like that they're

533
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 1: like worried about deer tags. No, definitely, So I think

534
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: that the deer tags are Yeah, maybe it's just for

535
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: gringos just so that we can get them back across

536
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: the border legally. So anyways they have they're sitting on

537
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: these tags, and um, how it works for us is

538
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: that our buddy Jay Scott, Jay Scott Outdoors and the

539
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: Colburn Scottfitting team. Yeah. Um, they go and find they

540
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: scout ranches. They find ranches that have tags available, and

541
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: ranches that also have like there's different levels of the houses,

542
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: but some sort of lodging that you can stay at. Um,

543
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: and then they basically by buying the tags, they sort

544
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: of also leased the ranch. So if there's because you've

545
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: monopolized the deer hunting on the ranch. Yeah, yeah, but

546
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 1: they're pretty pricey tags, you know, anywhere increasing dramatically, is

547
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: that right? Do you remember what the first one was

548
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: that you ever paid for? Haven't they gone from like

549
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: a thousand or twelve hundred? Yeah, but that might be

550
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 1: over many years. Okay, so if they've doubled in price

551
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: in twenty years, because I think now they're around three

552
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: thousand apiece. So yeah, three thousand dollars gets you a

553
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: cusier tag, and you usually have to buy again because

554
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,359
Speaker 1: like Jay has to to least the ranch, he's gonna

555
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: have to buy all the tags. Right, So you want

556
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 1: to go to a ranch, you can't just say, oh,

557
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna go there by myself and I'll take

558
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: one tag, because he's got you know, eighteen k into it. Yeah,

559
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 1: he's got many. He's got many years into developing relationships

560
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: with some places. That's right, And I don't I don't

561
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: know that. I don't know what like the Dave, I

562
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: don't know what sort of the standard arrangement is, but

563
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: he seems to make an arrangement where you have some

564
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: whether it's like some old bombed out hut or a

565
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 1: really nice place, like some place to stay. Yeah, and

566
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: we've stayed in some places that like a concrete shell, Yeah,

567
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: that's a good way to describe it, with some sort

568
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: of running water, usually some mattresses that you just rather

569
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: use your own, uh sleep pad on the ground, or

570
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: like gorgeous places that are like nicer than your own house. Yeah,

571
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: with some really awesome like Mexican sauti sautillo um tile

572
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: work and stone work or some fake stone work and

573
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: the heart that it was at this house that we

574
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: stayed at. Yeah, and this kind of weird contract, this

575
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: weird sort of contradiction of like really big places that

576
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: have no power. Yeah, they walk around the head lamp

577
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: burning wood. Well they have power generator, but yeah they're

578
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: not like you know, they're not hooked up to their um.

579
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 1: So yeah, so once you buy them, Jay Scott's got

580
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: a system set up. It's like his d I Y

581
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,359
Speaker 1: Cou's deer hunting system our program, and uh, you can

582
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 1: get ahold of him and he will basically sell you

583
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: those tags and then also help arrange the whole process

584
00:35:56,040 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: of you going from Douglas arizonas you they are um

585
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 1: port of entry or the crossing point when we go

586
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: where we go into Mexico. And so he's sort of

587
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: like from that moment when you're gonna go into Mexico,

588
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 1: he kind of lines out every single step that gets

589
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: you all the way to to the ranch and cous

590
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 1: deer hunting and he has he's like and he's got

591
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: locals that he's met there that he works with and

592
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: helps some guide and do various things. Yeah, probably a

593
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: couple of them at least are like dual citizens so

594
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: they can travel back and forth freely. They speak Spanish

595
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: very well, they know the low down what goes on

596
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: in Agua Prieta. So it makes it a very like

597
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: safe because a lot of people have worries, you know,

598
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: about going into old Mexico. I got a lot of

599
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: stuff comments just from the one Instagram post I had

600
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: to add where people are like now how do you feel?

601
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: And now it is this same Now, aren't you worried

602
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: and things like that. I've gone, Yes, yes, I am worried.

603
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: I have gone. How many times We've gone seven times

604
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: something like that. Probably have never had a single ounce

605
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: of a problem. Yet I'm always a little teensy bit scared,

606
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: only in the transportation part, but have never had any

607
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:16,799
Speaker 1: problem at all. Anthony on the other hand, Yeah, I've

608
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: been twice this time no issues. Where I was before

609
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 1: um uh an area near called sassaby Um. I had

610
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: a good cu'se deer hunting there. I was beautiful are

611
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: a very similar area, a little lower elevation, so train

612
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: was a little different. Um. We did run into some

613
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: folks who were with cartel Um on the property we were.

614
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say it was a problem. You know, it

615
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: didn't really cause any issues. But we were on this

616
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: right after the election, settling ladies. It was this was

617
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: it's got everything's got politics And yeah, two thousand and sixteen,

618
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: right after the presidential election, after um President Trump had

619
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,799
Speaker 1: been elected, but before his inauguration. Do you know we're

620
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: on and couldn't find out who won? Oh really nerve

621
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 1: rack Um. So the ranch that I was hunting is

622
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,240
Speaker 1: a big ranch in it it borders right up against

623
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: the United States border. And the outfitter who set it up,

624
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: you know, had said, you know, you may see some

625
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 1: people crossing on the ramps. They crowd they used the

626
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: ranch across the border. And it also was close to

627
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: a pretty wild area in Arizona. So it's a good

628
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: place to cross, um said, nothing to worry about, but

629
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: you know, just be aware, he said, you may see

630
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: some army folks to folks on the Mexican army whatnot. Okay,

631
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 1: started sound like, um, what should I wear? It doesn't matter.

632
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 1: It's just gonna be you and me. We're gone. Um. So,

633
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: in the course of a week of hunting, we saw

634
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,320
Speaker 1: it had to be it was well over a hundred

635
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: It was probably us two people who were crossing the border.

636
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: Now this ranch, in the words of the film Jeremiah Johnson,

637
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 1: molesting your hunt. Um, No, for the most part, right,

638
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: you'd see him on the roads. And now this ranch

639
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: was I say the roads. It was like the ranch

640
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: we were on. It's a big wild place off the grid.

641
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: Old um. You know, small stone house, cowboys on horseback,

642
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 1: same kind of deal. But you'd see these folks on

643
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 1: the ranch roads. Um, you know about like a line

644
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: of twenty people, you know, carrying their stuff going across

645
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: the border. Every water hole you'd often seen like water

646
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 1: jugs and whatnot. And so the outfitter who had been

647
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: hunting that ranch for some time said, we've seen people before,

648
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:45,320
Speaker 1: but this is by far the most people we've ever seen.

649
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: And it was um after, as I said, after the

650
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: election policy ship. We didn't get to like why it

651
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: mattered that it was right after so right, so they're

652
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: expecting a policy shift, So there was a huge surge

653
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: of people crossing the border getting good. So we saw

654
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: lots of people. Didn't affect our hunt. And you know what,

655
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: what what would would would you be seeing like sneaking

656
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 1: or just just just traveling. They would be traveling in

657
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: a line traveling. It looked like it was almost organized, right,

658
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: like somebody was leading and everybody else was in single file.

659
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'd see them on like carpet tape to the

660
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: bottom of the shoes and no not sneaking at all. Um.

661
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: And sometimes you'd see a group resting right stopping at

662
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 1: a spot, whether they're resting or waiting, you know, I'm

663
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: not quite sure. And so you know, with people crossing,

664
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: that's the flow of people is often controlled by the cartel.

665
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: Is just like the flow of drugs. So, you know,

666
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: we knew there was cartel activity in the area. And

667
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: the outfitter had said at the beginning of season, he

668
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 1: sends one of his guys to talk to one of

669
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: the guys from a cartel and says, hey, we're coming

670
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: to hunt. You know, we know you're here. We're gonna

671
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 1: be here. We're all good, right, you know, and there's

672
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: no problems, um, you know, and his his philosophy is generally, um,

673
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: you know, the cartel people are doing their thing. They

674
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:20,399
Speaker 1: don't want to mess with us. They don't they don't

675
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: want to cause any trouble. So there was one day

676
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: we were driving on the roads, um, going to a

677
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: new hunting spot, and we ran into the truck from

678
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: other people on our hunting party, you know, raning into

679
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: each other on the road. We stopped and get out

680
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,520
Speaker 1: of the trucks and we stopped to just chat and see, hey,

681
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: what are you seeing, where are you going? And as

682
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: we're doing that, we look up the road and we

683
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: see this this guy running you know, kind of trotting

684
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 1: at us. He's got um um you know, Semiauto military

685
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:48,839
Speaker 1: rifle and he's in fatigues and we think, oh, here's

686
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: the guy from the army. And when he got closer

687
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 1: we realized this is no guy from the army. You know,

688
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: was not standard issue fatigues. So he came up speaking

689
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: Spanish and um, hey, what are you guys doing? And

690
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: uh say, hey, how are you? And we had a

691
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 1: cooler beer in the back of the truck. Not why

692
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 1: we were hunting be clear, but for after the hunt,

693
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's key for the story. We said, hey,

694
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,400
Speaker 1: would you like a cold beer? Race us? So we

695
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: gave him a game of beer and he asked for

696
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: more for he said, can I have some? This is

697
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: all in Spanish for my boss, and he points up

698
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: to hill and we look up at the top of

699
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: this plateau and you can see there's a huge encampment

700
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,240
Speaker 1: of men up there, a whole bunch of people, and

701
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: so we gave him a couple more and then all

702
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: of a sudden, somebody comes and two other guys. Three

703
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 1: other guys come down, one in the lead, and the

704
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,040
Speaker 1: man we're talking, he goes, oh, he's my boss. So

705
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: this was the guy in charge. So he comes up

706
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: and he's all smiles and we give some more beer

707
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: even still, and he says, oh, you know, where are

708
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: you guys hunting? What trucks are you driving? You know,

709
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 1: he want to know what rigs we were driving, where

710
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: we're gonna be. He want to know if we're seeing

711
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: any deer. And he actually as he said, oh if

712
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 1: you have some extra meat, had a quarter right here

713
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah. Sure, Um did he give you any

714
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: hot tips? He did not give us any hot tips

715
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: about where they saw a couple out of him man.

716
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: But we said, you know, hey, we're just we're hunting.

717
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: We know you guys are working and we're just working

718
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: and all right, so long. And the one funny thing

719
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: was though we had a one of guy who was

720
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: with us, a really good photographer, had to get a

721
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:34,040
Speaker 1: nice camera, pulls that camera up. They go no, no, no,

722
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,439
Speaker 1: right away they like everyal serious and we just put

723
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,479
Speaker 1: the cameras down, like no photos. They made very clear

724
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: no photos, and uh, we went on our way. We

725
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 1: just kept hunting. Yeah, we just kept didn't go running home. No,

726
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: but we didn't go running home. We kept hunting. I

727
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't say like they gave us trouble or we felt threatened.

728
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: They were, you know, they but you realize you're talking

729
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: to people who would kill you if it was in

730
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: their best intro. But you're thinking, well, they don't really,

731
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,840
Speaker 1: you know, they're doing their thing. They don't want trouble

732
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: with us, and so it's all right. But um, we

733
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,279
Speaker 1: did keep the rifles in the house, you know. Um

734
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 1: we did not go out on the ranch roads at night.

735
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: You know, we stayed in the in the building at night.

736
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: We we did not go out after dark very much. Yeah,

737
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: I have a little bit of a hard time, not

738
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: a hard time of the story, but like I don't

739
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: I always want to stress, like nothing's ever happened, and

740
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, and and and Jay works. Yeah nothing happened.

741
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 1: That's I know. I'm not saying I would count that

742
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 1: as something happening. Yeah, that happened, But I've never had

743
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: anything happened yet. I feel slightly uneasy in the coming

744
00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: and going. It's intimidating, right, Like it's not super clear

745
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do at all points when you

746
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 1: cross with a gun, right, I've I've traveled to multiple

747
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: countries with guns before, never felt intimidated like crossing the

748
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 1: border there. Yeah, like it's somehow, um, there's like a

749
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: subjectivity to it. It's not like, oh you do this,

750
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: this and this. It feels like every interaction it feels

751
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 1: like there's Yeah, there's like a question mark lingering over.

752
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: Definitely go multiple ways at each interaction, and there's not

753
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: like one interaction. There's interactions, you know, three or four

754
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 1: of them as as you go through. But I feel

755
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: like that's been ironed out or smoothed out over the

756
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: over the years, And probably a lot has to do

757
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: with just the volume that Jay you know, takes through

758
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: there with his business, that there's less and less of

759
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 1: that because I'm sure if yeah, if it's quiet and

760
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 1: there's like the right corrupt corrupt police officer, then yeah,

761
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,840
Speaker 1: the the lingering question is, hey, you know, can you

762
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 1: drop a twenty spot here to make things to get

763
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 1: your stamp as opposed to just I'm supposed to give

764
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 1: you the stamp because you're paperwork is proper, you know. Yeah, Yeahnie,

765
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: one time I had to do like a side transaction

766
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 1: with an official. Um, the the rifle question comes up

767
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 1: a lot, it's always different, but you way in advance way, Yeah,

768
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: because you have to get a This is something I

769
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: left out. Didn't leave it out, just hadn't gotten to

770
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: it yet. But when you're by that tag from the ranch,

771
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,720
Speaker 1: you then enter into a hunting contract with the ranch,

772
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 1: and that hunting contract once it is signed, um, then

773
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: it basically allows you to get a gun permit from

774
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,680
Speaker 1: the federal the Mexican federal government. Yeah. I think this

775
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: is one of the reasons why it's kind of an

776
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: elite group of hard players who goes down there to hunt,

777
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,239
Speaker 1: because it's not you don't like just wake up one

778
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 1: morning decide you're gonna go down for the simple reason

779
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: that you have to, like do you have to? There's

780
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: a process, but it is like it's I don't know

781
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 1: the process with like a truck a gun, explain all

782
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: that well, and the gun process the length because we

783
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: turned in our weapon information summertimes yeah, yeah, summertime. Yeah.

784
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: And Jay likes to have his eyes out and Tea's

785
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: cross and just like kind of everything done and in

786
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,880
Speaker 1: the bag to three months in advance because if you

787
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: get a permit back like one time happened to me,

788
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: and one of the numbers on the serial number was

789
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: off by a number and it cost me what it

790
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: cost me two days of hunting on that trip because

791
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: I had to basically hang out in Agua Priatta and

792
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: way as my new gun permit, had to go all

793
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 1: the way to Hermercio, the capital city of Sonora, and

794
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 1: then come all the way back. And it doesn't go

795
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:41,080
Speaker 1: via facts. It's got to be original down there. And

796
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: it went on a bus and it came back on

797
00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:49,399
Speaker 1: a bus and our um, this is the only way

798
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: to do it. Because our serial number issue this time

799
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: was a lengthy or deal and that was on our

800
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: rental car or VN number. Rather, we had a VN

801
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: number issue, um, and that was the same deal. It's like,

802
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: you want that stuff and it just speaks to how

803
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: the world is different down there once you cross that border. Um,

804
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: it's like you can't really understand why they need what

805
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: they need, but they want it, you know, and it's

806
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: got to be done the way that they want it.

807
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,560
Speaker 1: A lot of originals as far as documents go. You know,

808
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 1: we make copies just in case you need it for

809
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: a backup, but like they don't really like the copy thing.

810
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: They want to see originals. So yeah, most people will

811
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: just take their own vehicle through because I think I

812
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:39,160
Speaker 1: would guess that most hunters that go through J's services

813
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,120
Speaker 1: are from Arizona or within driving distance of Arizona. People

814
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: the d the d I y guys, Yeah, guys that

815
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: are fired about cous deer and um. Because just the

816
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: good old days. Yeah, the vehicle, the driver that's that's

817
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: going through, the vehicle has to be in your name,

818
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,720
Speaker 1: the registration has to be in your name. Then numbers

819
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: have to all match up. Same thing goes with the

820
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 1: trailer that you're side by side is on if you're

821
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,240
Speaker 1: using one, and it's a crucial piece of equipment, um,

822
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: and it all has to just match up. For us,

823
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: it's a little more difficult because we're flying into Tucson

824
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: because it's long drive from Montana, and we rent vehicles

825
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: that you that are allowed to go across the border.

826
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 1: You get to get Mexican insurance and you get to

827
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: make contracts from Enterprise and Alamo, the two companies that

828
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: let you take vehicles across. But basically their contract says

829
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: that you can. You actually get another form that says

830
00:49:37,280 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: permission to enter Mexico with this vehicle. But the most

831
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: important part is that the contract itself with your name

832
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,400
Speaker 1: and Enterprise on there has the vehicle's VN number. Well,

833
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: it just so happens that Enterprise doesn't put their ven

834
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: numbers on the contract, especially the system I know, because

835
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: now you know they don't even know what the hell

836
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: car you're gonna take. No, you do all your paperworkies,

837
00:49:56,880 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: walk out and drive on off. It's just not in important.

838
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 1: You know. They have whatever system of checks and bounces

839
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: they have doesn't include the VN number. I'm sure it's

840
00:50:05,800 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 1: like in the system, but they don't need it on

841
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,320
Speaker 1: the contract. Well, the Mexican government that issues you a

842
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,120
Speaker 1: vehicle permit wants that the number on there, and they

843
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: don't care how enterprise operates. Yeah, so you just sort

844
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,920
Speaker 1: of had to go into enterprise and say, hey, it's

845
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,480
Speaker 1: very important, whatever you gotta do, make sure the vein

846
00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: numbers on there. And unfortunately we had doubled VN numbers

847
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 1: as opposed to Ryan and I were the two drivers

848
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: and instead of having separate brand speaking new Ford Rangers.

849
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: You're funny to see because I think it like Ford Rangers.

850
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: I think it dudes in high school, like when I

851
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: was a kid in high school. Yeah, or an Old Rancher.

852
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 1: That's to me, that's like the classic Old Ranchers. That's

853
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: an irrigation track. Yeah, but uh yeah, and then the

854
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,440
Speaker 1: MAS that what was the MAS the version of it? Yeah,

855
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: um like the B two or something like that. There's

856
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: also the Chevy Love remember that one, that's an irrigation

857
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: pro Those were nice. I didn't We can talk about

858
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: those trucks later. Yeah, I like those. Um So anyways,

859
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of what it takes to get So once

860
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: you hit the border, do we want to start there

861
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: like four or four or five seven? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

862
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 1: this is public service stuff. I don't know. I don't

863
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: even care if it's not interesting to people. There's a

864
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: form fur four or five seven and yeah, not even

865
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: knows the form number. Beautiful man of the form. He

866
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: treats a form with respect, well, not disdained, he treats

867
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: with respect. But the only reason because if you don't,

868
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: then the people that you show the form to are

869
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:45,319
Speaker 1: gonna laugh and turn you away. Then you don't get

870
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: to go cluse hunting. But a four or four or

871
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: five seven just said, it's basically telling the US government

872
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: that you are leaving the country with goods that cost

873
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: money that are like an excess of some value, probably

874
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:02,720
Speaker 1: five or more. That way, when you come back with them,

875
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: there's no funny business about that you left it or

876
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: you sold it or whatever. It's just track. You're like

877
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: that you're bringing stuff down to sell, no, I'm sorry,

878
00:52:13,160 --> 00:52:15,359
Speaker 1: or that you bought it somewhere else, because we used

879
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: to put optics and stuff on there too, but now

880
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 1: we just do rifles. Yeah, it could go. I used

881
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,479
Speaker 1: to my scope, serial number, bonos. They never care about

882
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: that stuff because the gun thing. You want to show that, like,

883
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: you didn't pick up a gun down in Mexico, so

884
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,240
Speaker 1: they basically want to see the gun, check the serial numbers,

885
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: and you're on your way. Then that's not high stress, no,

886
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: pretty easy. You go into Mexico and the first stop

887
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: is that the aduana, which I think is just how

888
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: you say port of entry. Cal tell me what aduana means.

889
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,280
Speaker 1: I don't know the first letter of that ed wana

890
00:52:55,480 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: A d u A n A okay on it. And uh,

891
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of all clustered together. You have the UM,

892
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: the police, and then you also have the like Tourism office,

893
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: I guess is what you can call that, right, maybe

894
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: Immigration Office of sorts UM. And then you also have

895
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 1: another office that deals with UM vehicles and it's kind

896
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:21,319
Speaker 1: of all together. And when one one and a half

897
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: buildings cuts. Oh, but you go to a dude and

898
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: he does a thing. Yeah. Then you go to another

899
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: dude and he does a photo copy of a thing.

900
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,759
Speaker 1: You go to another dude and like, he does a thing.

901
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: Then you go back to the first dude and be like, look,

902
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,320
Speaker 1: it's a it's a room. It's a room with four doors,

903
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: three walls of glass with people behind the three walls

904
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:52,719
Speaker 1: of glass. The other wall is just a wall some

905
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: posters on it that says you can't smuggle you know,

906
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,040
Speaker 1: rare reptiles out of here um, and yeah, you go

907
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: to one you get it and they're like, yeah, go

908
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: see them over there. And then you go over there.

909
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:04,439
Speaker 1: You get a stamp, and then they say go over

910
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:06,319
Speaker 1: there and the guy makes a photo copy. And then

911
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: you go back to the first window and you go, hey,

912
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: here you go, here's everything you need, and then here's

913
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: some money. And then they say, okay, thank you, you're

914
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:14,640
Speaker 1: out the door. If you like, if you went to

915
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 1: Subway and every one of the little bins of condiments

916
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: had an attendant. Yeah, and they were in different areas

917
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: of the of the building. Bell Peppers. Yes, please, okay,

918
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,919
Speaker 1: you will now go across the restaurant for your mail

919
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: and talk to the gentleman with the mail. Um. So

920
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: that's pretty much just to get your tourist visa. Then

921
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: you go um at the same window that you paid

922
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,360
Speaker 1: for the tourist visa. You gotta get your vehicle permit.

923
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 1: That's where we had to run in with the with

924
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:50,680
Speaker 1: the n That's always the trouble spot, always a trouble spot. Yeah.

925
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 1: And uh so once we knew we had just redo

926
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: the contract went in a big deal. Nice, very nice gal. Uh,

927
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 1: Pamela should give Pamela props because she she she knew

928
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,880
Speaker 1: what to do. Unfortunately in her she has that we

929
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 1: were there's some haste and classic situation too. She's like

930
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:14,600
Speaker 1: the senior person there simultaneously training training, Yeah, which I

931
00:55:14,600 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 1: feel like an enterprise. They're constantly in training mode to

932
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: pick up in the in the customs of Mexico. Not

933
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,319
Speaker 1: this time, last time someone called him. Two times ago

934
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 1: someone called him, mom, is this what you're talking about?

935
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,800
Speaker 1: Which I thought was an insult, just sounds insult. I guappo.

936
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound good, but in fact it means handsome one.

937
00:55:40,760 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: That wasn't El guapo. But she looked at his passport.

938
00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: She liked what she said. Yeah, I think that was

939
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: a little instigated, but was by John Snow. But either

940
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: either way, UM, the vehicle permits. Uh, they need to

941
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 1: go out, look at the the number on the vehicle,

942
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: come back inside with you. Then you do some paperwork,

943
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: you get some stamps, you make some signatures, you leave,

944
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: go make some photocos. There's a lot of rim roll

945
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: about the weight of the vehicle. So we even met

946
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 1: a guy that likes to make an his trailer. He

947
00:56:14,480 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: makes a fake weight plate and tries to make it

948
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:21,839
Speaker 1: all the official looking and riveted onto his trailer so

949
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: in a really easily to locate place so that he

950
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 1: can be like, look, h here's your g v g

951
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: v W. Yeah, and he just like made a make

952
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,319
Speaker 1: believe one to to to not have to argue about

953
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: it so much. Yeah, it costs you a little bit more.

954
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: There's sort of trying to like it sounds like from

955
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: what Jake understand, they're trying to restrict commercial vehicles that

956
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: are not permanent coming down from the US. And as

957
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: soon as your truck has four doors instead of too,

958
00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: it jumps some class and whatever ends up costing you

959
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 1: another ten dollars US. It's not a big deal. So far,

960
00:56:54,680 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 1: we've done a good job of not making CU's deer

961
00:56:57,760 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: hunting too popular. If that's what you're worried about. God, yeah,

962
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: it's good. Yeah, yeah, no, this we give ourselves a

963
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: day and we start at the butt crack. McDonald's is

964
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 1: barely open because you want to get your last gets

965
00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: his annual McDonald's. Yeah, you want to get your last

966
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: McDonald's at about six thirty am, and then you head

967
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: to the border by seven and uh, you know, I

968
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 1: forget what time it was. It was to thirty when

969
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: we left. Oh, the Eagles. The Eagles alcohol free year

970
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: has ended, and he's entered into a sugar free quarter

971
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: of a year. I think I'm feeling better after two

972
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: weeks of no sugar than I did after the whole

973
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: year of no drinking. And I'm funnier. According to my

974
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: old lady, Yeah, yeah, he was doing a year end Yeah,

975
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: he was doing like a year end review with his

976
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: wife to see how everything's going. And she kind of

977
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,760
Speaker 1: is just not as funny as he wants was what's

978
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 1: count's deep man cuts? Well, she did it with a

979
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 1: wink yea because you were yeah, because you never had

980
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: you never like lightened the load with a beer or anything.

981
00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: You know, no, no, but there. I don't think it

982
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: was too thirty quite yet, because we probably had to

983
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 1: make one. It was probably to thirty when we actually

984
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: started driving towards. So after oh, we're not done yet.

985
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: At the first stop at the edge Wana, so you

986
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: get all, you get your tourist visa, you get your

987
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: vehicle permits. Then you have to check your guns with

988
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: the cops. The cops, so you bring them out over

989
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: to the cops, say you need to check our guns.

990
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: You have your you have your cartouches with you too,

991
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: but you have your I just I want to interject here,

992
00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 1: like fact problem who who you are? The problem? Um

993
00:58:51,120 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: has this amazing knowledge of how language works through many

994
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:01,560
Speaker 1: years of study and practice. Yet that is true, it

995
00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: is subverted by this old man Michigander mentality of like, man,

996
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,640
Speaker 1: it's just too late to learn Spanish. My chance. So

997
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna willfully remain outside of even attempting to try.

998
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: Security formed a sentence that I'm still proud of Yeah. No,

999
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: that was a good one. I said, um, uh, something

1000
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 1: to the effect of, K has no familia v v

1001
00:59:47,600 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: and est casa and it's totally wrong. But they looked

1002
00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 1: at me for men in A light bulb went off

1003
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: and they knew what I was trying to say. It'd

1004
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: be like if someone came to in English and said

1005
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 1: something to the effect of, um, why is no family

1006
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: to live in that house? I'm in with me the

1007
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: one i'm And when Steve saw the light bulb of

1008
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: recognition go off, I told everyone about it. Basically spiked

1009
01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 1: the football and ran down the tunnel and went home

1010
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: at work. Here has done glass? Yes, glass, yes, yeah, Yeah,

1011
01:00:37,560 --> 01:00:39,760
Speaker 1: it's really a shame. And I gave up really early.

1012
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: I gave up early. I hadn't. I wasn't even I

1013
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 1: gave up fifteen years ago. It's all out of the

1014
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: next generation. Now my shoulders are in they've always been

1015
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:58,240
Speaker 1: in Spanish. It's like I can't do it a man,

1016
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,280
Speaker 1: as my friend, uh Matt Cook will remind you, Um,

1017
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 1: a man's got his limits. I'm sorry, You're honest, quite

1018
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: all right. So yeah, the cops, Uh was that was

1019
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: that a jab? Because I just said, cartouches just needed

1020
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: to be sad, Steve, that's please. Uh. They look at

1021
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,440
Speaker 1: your you have your gun permit that they came from

1022
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: the federal government and has your rifle. In my case,

1023
01:01:32,120 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: had a rifle and a shotgun on there with the

1024
01:01:34,760 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 1: serial numbers, the make, model UM and then all the

1025
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: gun permits, say a hundred cartouches, which means you have

1026
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,080
Speaker 1: a hundred cartridges. No one cares about that's just one numbers. Again,

1027
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 1: they don't care about it. But I feel like early

1028
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 1: on the first couple of times I went, they would

1029
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: always want to see the cartridges. They would look to

1030
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 1: see that the cartridges were of the same caliber that

1031
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: your rifle was. But the last few years they haven't.

1032
01:02:01,320 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: And I had them checked when I crossed a couple

1033
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 1: of years ago, he didn't. So again, it could just

1034
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: depend on the port of entry or whatever. But they

1035
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: check it that. They take your passport for a minute,

1036
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm guessing they make a copy, they give you a stamp,

1037
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: or maybe they check your you know your name, make

1038
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 1: sure you're not a wanted man in Mexico. They come back,

1039
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,760
Speaker 1: give your passport back, give you a stamp. Then you're

1040
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: finally done at the Idwana and you head over to

1041
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: the military just right across from the gas station. They

1042
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: used to have a great area. Ship. Man, it went

1043
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: from being like a crazy Mexican gas station with like

1044
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,600
Speaker 1: great food and kind of like it was like a

1045
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:42,960
Speaker 1: little bit puzzling what was going on to being like

1046
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 1: it's like a seven eleven. Yeah, yeah, nothing that's not

1047
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: in a plastic bag to consume. No. I used to

1048
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: be like kind of like, what is this play oh ship,

1049
01:02:50,520 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: look at those tacos. But now it's like, now they

1050
01:02:53,200 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: have taco donuts. Yeah, they got the rollers with the

1051
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: hot dog. It's just I don't know what happened many

1052
01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:04,120
Speaker 1: new ownership. I guess bathrooms are Anyways, it was a

1053
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 1: taco donut. You park at the gas station, it was like,

1054
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:11,600
Speaker 1: I gotta get one. I don't understand what this is.

1055
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: Probably I think I don't know. As a newcomer camera

1056
01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 1: you can maybe well you've done it twice, and you've

1057
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:20,439
Speaker 1: done it twice. Now cal too, you're on your second trip.

1058
01:03:20,520 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 1: But I always felt like the parking at the gas

1059
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:26,440
Speaker 1: station and walking over to the military, that's when I

1060
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,880
Speaker 1: started to have the feeling of like, Okay, this is

1061
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: getting a little bit different, you know that wh I'm

1062
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:34,080
Speaker 1: used to in the beginning part, everything is pretty like official.

1063
01:03:34,800 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: There's cops and you know, it's like type when you're

1064
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,320
Speaker 1: parking a gas station parking lot, it's a very truck

1065
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: stoppy gas station, a lot of activity. There's no parking

1066
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:46,320
Speaker 1: area at the military. It's just right across the street.

1067
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 1: You park and grab your gun case and now you're

1068
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: a military compound. Yeah, and you have a gun and

1069
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: with bullets cartridges, and now you're just gonna walk across

1070
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: the street in Old next a go and into a

1071
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,560
Speaker 1: military compound. And the thing is in the US, if

1072
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: you go into a military base, there are you know,

1073
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: I mean, there are many people in there who are

1074
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:18,480
Speaker 1: will deploy and you know, will do service, right, But

1075
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: the base is not like a thing that's fighting. Doesn't

1076
01:04:22,560 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: happen there, No, But when you under a military base here,

1077
01:04:27,200 --> 01:04:31,680
Speaker 1: it's like it's a military like it's like conducting missions.

1078
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,160
Speaker 1: It's like a base. It's a base, like a military

1079
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: that's conducting missions in its own country, which we don't do.

1080
01:04:39,160 --> 01:04:41,080
Speaker 1: You know in the guys, you don't do that under

1081
01:04:41,200 --> 01:04:43,360
Speaker 1: a very special circumstances. But these are guys who are

1082
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: sort of like actively engaged in a I don't know,

1083
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's dramatic called a civil war, but I mean,

1084
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 1: you know, like actively engaged in so like combat operations

1085
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:59,560
Speaker 1: against armed militia equivalents. Yeah, and you'll be kind of

1086
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:01,360
Speaker 1: remind into that a lot of him because a lot

1087
01:05:01,440 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: of both the soldiers and police that you'll see, especially

1088
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 1: when they're out in trucks, they're wearing masks, you know,

1089
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: covering their faces. Just a very different kind of military base.

1090
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: It's like an outpost. It's interesting. I ever thought about that.

1091
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: That's just to protect their identities, so where they're not

1092
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: at work. That's interesting. So, yeah, you walk in there,

1093
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: you tell the fellow at the gate that you're there

1094
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:32,440
Speaker 1: to check your rifles or we usually have with us

1095
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: a fellow by the name of Beto spelled with a

1096
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: B incredible arm wrestler. Incredible. I couldn't beat him. Um

1097
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,439
Speaker 1: Beto could have been a linebacker, yeah in his day.

1098
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: Um and uh so he's with us as well as well.

1099
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: We get another fixture with us to cross the border too,

1100
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 1: named Salsa, and they're just there in case things go

1101
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,080
Speaker 1: a little side of ways, Like you have a doubled

1102
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: up vent number and they're there so that in case

1103
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,440
Speaker 1: someone um on the Mexican side doesn't want to try

1104
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 1: to speak English with you or trying to work it

1105
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: out in sort of a Spanglish broken you know, English

1106
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:15,280
Speaker 1: Spanish way, that they can step in and say, okay,

1107
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: what needs to happen to keep his thing moving on?

1108
01:06:18,320 --> 01:06:21,560
Speaker 1: So betos with us. He says, hey, we're here to

1109
01:06:21,640 --> 01:06:23,640
Speaker 1: check our guns. They say, okay, go over there and

1110
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: stand in the it's like a little outbuilding basically uh

1111
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 1: cement or brick walls, tin roof, and there used to

1112
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: be a mannequin in there that was dressed in a

1113
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: in a military outfit. Yeah, then his pants broke. Yeah,

1114
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:42,280
Speaker 1: well you were poking him and his outfit and his

1115
01:06:42,360 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: pants and his pants and everyone was uncomfortable. But I

1116
01:06:46,080 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: don't want to like put his pants back on them.

1117
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: So you stand there with his pants around his angles

1118
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:55,200
Speaker 1: and had like a broken finger. You know, I bet

1119
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:57,280
Speaker 1: you they had a GoPro running. And that's just one

1120
01:06:57,320 --> 01:07:00,200
Speaker 1: of those like behind the scenes Mexican TV like like

1121
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: to do. It just gets you to squirm. You know,

1122
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: You're sitting there looking at the manneque with no pants on,

1123
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 1: and it's like hand was broken away. He's like giving

1124
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: everybody the finger. I remember taking a picture of that,

1125
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 1: but I never used it. But then they replaced him

1126
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: with two rocket launchers. Yes, now there's nuts decorative with

1127
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: rocket launchers. It is so much more tidy now like

1128
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 1: now they like again. I think it's it might be

1129
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 1: because of the volume and why. It's the good old

1130
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: days now, but it's just like now. And it used

1131
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: to take sometimes an hour plus there and now you

1132
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: go in there. The dude comes over again. Yeah, you

1133
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: showed him the paperwork. He checks the serial numbers, passport.

1134
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 1: He leaves with him for five or ten minutes, comes

1135
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,600
Speaker 1: back with a stamp on your gun permit. It's basically

1136
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,680
Speaker 1: saying you have entered the country and you have your rifle.

1137
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: You get to go. And now the cops and the

1138
01:07:55,080 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 1: federal military, I know that you in this gun on

1139
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 1: our here. That's right. And he walked back across the

1140
01:08:05,800 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: street and get in the vehicle and followed betto tier Ranch.

1141
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:15,240
Speaker 1: And then a magical thing happens. You drive down like

1142
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: a highway and then a dusty road and another dusty road,

1143
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:21,600
Speaker 1: and then like nearly impassable roads and then all of

1144
01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:25,839
Speaker 1: a sudden you're on a place that you can't scratch

1145
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:37,839
Speaker 1: the surface of. Nothing's around, but just like quiet wild yeah, ranches,

1146
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:40,840
Speaker 1: the size of national parks. Yeah, the quiet he should

1147
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: we should talk about that. It's like all that, all

1148
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:45,360
Speaker 1: that apprehension, and all of a sudden you're like in

1149
01:08:45,400 --> 01:08:47,640
Speaker 1: a place that you're in a play, You're in an

1150
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:53,760
Speaker 1: environment place that you just are not going to replicate. No, relax, Oh,

1151
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 1: look at that tree has thirty five bluebirds in it.

1152
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 1: That's night just goes, it goes on and on and

1153
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: on and on and on and on and on. Do

1154
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: you think a hundred years ago they were more people

1155
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: in that country than there are. I wouldn't be surprised. Maybe,

1156
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: I don't know why I wouldn't be surprised at some

1157
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 1: point that for whatever economic factors that used to support

1158
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 1: more people than does. General urbanization's happened in the last

1159
01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,679
Speaker 1: hundred years for sure. So it's a hard place to scratch.

1160
01:09:23,680 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: Shot of living, Yeah, and the mechanization of of running.

1161
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: Those copper minds that are there probably did, probably had

1162
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,439
Speaker 1: more folks working in them prior prior to right now.

1163
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,320
Speaker 1: I would think it legitimately might be more pristine today

1164
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 1: than it was a hundred years ago when you get

1165
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,720
Speaker 1: in those ranches. Yeah, Like you know, certain counties in

1166
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 1: the American Great Plains like lose population. But I wouldn't

1167
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,240
Speaker 1: be surprised. You see a lot more um stuff that

1168
01:09:47,360 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: was once something and isn't anymore than you do things

1169
01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:53,519
Speaker 1: that are being made now. Yeah, absolutely, because just like

1170
01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: things like you guys, I guess that used to be

1171
01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: like a thing. Yeah that's a good description. Yeah, where

1172
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:02,759
Speaker 1: people hung out. But you know, it's it's really stunning

1173
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,760
Speaker 1: to be down there. It's definitely worth the hassle. I

1174
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:14,160
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. It's great and there are

1175
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: and you get the sense there's a thing we'll talk

1176
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: about like in Western I guess it's true everywhere now

1177
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 1: it's true. And any kind of um, I shouldn't say

1178
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:27,720
Speaker 1: any kind most kinds of like I would say most

1179
01:10:27,800 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: kinds of big game hunting in in in this country,

1180
01:10:32,160 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 1: there are so many it's the I would say, it's

1181
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,639
Speaker 1: the norm to have it be that someone lays eyes

1182
01:10:37,720 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: on most animals, like someone sees most animals, like in

1183
01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: heavily hunted deer areas, someone sees every dear right often

1184
01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: it's just like kind of like expected that someone else

1185
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 1: has seen it. But you just get the sense too,

1186
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 1: there's like, um, you sense that there's like just deer

1187
01:10:54,640 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 1: that go unseen. Oh, there were parts of that ranch,

1188
01:10:58,400 --> 01:11:01,720
Speaker 1: the especially up behind in the up behind the ranch

1189
01:11:01,800 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: house that dear dear dying of old age in there,

1190
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,200
Speaker 1: no doubt, you can't see him. You can't see anything.

1191
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,720
Speaker 1: Just the whole mountain sides you can't see. You just

1192
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 1: can't get a vantage and some of that stuff. But

1193
01:11:13,240 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 1: there's deer sign everywhere. Yeah, but no one ever goes

1194
01:11:16,760 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 1: on that hill. There's no reason for anyone to ever

1195
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,720
Speaker 1: go there. We had a ranch your ones tell us

1196
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: on another ranch behind it. We had a ranch ones

1197
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 1: talk about a part of the ranch and said that

1198
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 1: he hadn't been there in three years. Wow. Yeah, that's

1199
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:35,360
Speaker 1: that's amazing. Yeah. I mean they most of them probably

1200
01:11:35,439 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: have one, but Carrol that rides almost every day and

1201
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:42,640
Speaker 1: it hits you know, probably takes some two weeks to

1202
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 1: do the loop right through the whole place, and that annually.

1203
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:51,400
Speaker 1: They have a party. It's a party is to get together.

1204
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,439
Speaker 1: It's a work thing. They have a name for it,

1205
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:57,479
Speaker 1: but basically they hire a bunch of hands and they

1206
01:11:57,720 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: it's like moving cattle day, round up and moving cattle,

1207
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: trying to get cattle out of the mountains. Yeah. Around

1208
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,680
Speaker 1: here it's called the shipping party. There you go, it's

1209
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,680
Speaker 1: not called a roundup. Well, the roundup happens, but that's

1210
01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: not a party. Once you ship the calves, then you

1211
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,400
Speaker 1: get a party. Oh I got you. Yeah, that's when

1212
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: the work works done. Yeah. So there's not a lot

1213
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: of people, not a lot of you don't you just

1214
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 1: don't see a lot of boot tracks if any ann

1215
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 1: I don't know that we did see any tracks. The

1216
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:35,600
Speaker 1: way you hunt the stuff is you hunted. Um. I

1217
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: would describe it like it's very good, sort of gross

1218
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: too close. Um, not gross, like oh that's gross, but gross,

1219
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:47,479
Speaker 1: meaning like whole entirety where you kind of go down

1220
01:12:47,560 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: these spots and the first thing you want to do

1221
01:12:49,080 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 1: is just start out being in any anywhere we can

1222
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: just see tons of ship right, let's get up and

1223
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: you want to see a lot looking at hillsides. Um,

1224
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,760
Speaker 1: it's not so much to your I think every time

1225
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 1: we go, you get to a point where you're you're

1226
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 1: looking in a in a targeted fashion. But early on

1227
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: you're just trying to like you're just looking kind of

1228
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:12,559
Speaker 1: like looking where you can see, and what you can

1229
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,439
Speaker 1: see is hillsides, like when you're on the hillside looking

1230
01:13:15,479 --> 01:13:17,400
Speaker 1: at hillside, like the things laid out for you, like

1231
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: flat ground is hard to observe what's going on. It's

1232
01:13:20,280 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: not that they're not there. I'm sure they're there, but

1233
01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: you go to the places they're like most easily to survey,

1234
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: and you get up high and look and just try

1235
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 1: to find areas of activity. And then over the days,

1236
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: if you have you would be probably I would not

1237
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 1: do it. Um, I would not do it with a

1238
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 1: fewer than four days. Yeah, I would even say seven,

1239
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 1: say I would not. I would be like, man, I'm

1240
01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: not you know, it would be fun, but four would

1241
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 1: be light. Yeah. Five We did five just now and

1242
01:13:52,800 --> 01:13:55,720
Speaker 1: it was light. It takes, be honest, and I did

1243
01:13:55,720 --> 01:14:00,920
Speaker 1: a lot of talking over just glassing on the way, um,

1244
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,880
Speaker 1: you know, back to Tucson from from the ranch, and um,

1245
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: you know, I still find it very hard to properly

1246
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 1: wedge into my brain the actual scale of the animal,

1247
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 1: like it is so small, and then that the size

1248
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 1: of that animal in relation to the you know, the

1249
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: flora down there. All you know is that a big ocatillo,

1250
01:14:27,880 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: is that a smaller ocatio? You know, it's just not

1251
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:41,799
Speaker 1: that familiar yet. And then I am scanning the hillside

1252
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,560
Speaker 1: the way I would a mule here, scanning four a

1253
01:14:45,640 --> 01:14:49,080
Speaker 1: mule deer at that speed, and it's too fast for

1254
01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:51,960
Speaker 1: the scale of accous deier for my for my eyes

1255
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: and I and I would know it, but I'm so

1256
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: I spent so many hours looking for mule here. That's

1257
01:15:00,600 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 1: still I can't differentiate between the two yet. So then

1258
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,439
Speaker 1: I have to like stop and nice you're talking about

1259
01:15:07,479 --> 01:15:09,960
Speaker 1: your technique, because you kind of agreed with that, like

1260
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 1: you're just moving too fast. We'll tell people your observation

1261
01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:17,400
Speaker 1: about you know, whatever the hell skill is. Yeah, this

1262
01:15:17,520 --> 01:15:20,639
Speaker 1: is an old saying, but buddy of mine, who likes

1263
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:25,720
Speaker 1: to gamble, always says, uh, luck is where skill meets opportunity.

1264
01:15:26,439 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 1: And I found for for me, locating a CU's deer

1265
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: is where persistence in glassing meets movement. Like if that

1266
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:41,360
Speaker 1: once you said it, I was like I once you

1267
01:15:41,439 --> 01:15:43,080
Speaker 1: said it, I was like, to be honest, I would

1268
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 1: say that the ones I spot or maybe more are

1269
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: because I pause and catch something move a tail flicks,

1270
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:55,200
Speaker 1: it steps. It's because like I catch something move I

1271
01:15:55,280 --> 01:15:57,439
Speaker 1: catch a movement. Yeah, well, I mean it can it

1272
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 1: can be. I mean those are like the big movements

1273
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: that you at, you know, like an actual body walking

1274
01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,600
Speaker 1: or the tail flick is pretty big one. But a

1275
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,160
Speaker 1: lot of times you pick up like them chewing their cut,

1276
01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:11,599
Speaker 1: and that movement right there is what tips them off. Yeah,

1277
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:16,519
Speaker 1: you have to you can't just scan, you don't. You

1278
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:21,879
Speaker 1: don't do it moving. You have to do move, stop, move, pause, observe,

1279
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:24,600
Speaker 1: And it bothers your eyes to do it. But I

1280
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,559
Speaker 1: roll my eye go and like check everything. I stop

1281
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 1: and don't just look. Like you could get in the

1282
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 1: trap of like looking at the site picture through your binoculars,

1283
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:35,160
Speaker 1: but rather than looking sort of like studying the site picture,

1284
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:39,439
Speaker 1: you then are moving your eyeballs around. So as you're

1285
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,560
Speaker 1: looking through a Peri bonnoculars at a hillside, however a

1286
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:44,200
Speaker 1: thousand yards away, which be kind of close actually, but

1287
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: you're looking and you have this round despite the move

1288
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,680
Speaker 1: What the movies will tell you on a person of

1289
01:16:50,680 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: the movie looks through binoculars, they're seeing two circles. They're

1290
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:57,639
Speaker 1: shadowy around the edges, you're actually looking at a clean circle,

1291
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:00,280
Speaker 1: and within that circle, you have to move of your

1292
01:17:00,320 --> 01:17:03,679
Speaker 1: eyes around and check everything. You check every under every tree,

1293
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,720
Speaker 1: and move it. It's it's taxing on your eyes. But

1294
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: typically it's like that, all of a sudden, something moves.

1295
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:14,320
Speaker 1: Oftentimes within my site picture through my binoculars, I will

1296
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:17,960
Speaker 1: in my peripheral vision see a movement, and then I

1297
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:20,720
Speaker 1: don't move my binoculars. That just like move my eyes over.

1298
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,320
Speaker 1: It sounds funny, but like like move your eyes over

1299
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:25,760
Speaker 1: to that part of that site picture to see what

1300
01:17:25,880 --> 01:17:27,720
Speaker 1: it was that moved, and you'd be like, oh, it's

1301
01:17:27,720 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: a bird. It's like that level of movement, like a

1302
01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 1: bird flicking in a bush. I think this is what

1303
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 1: you're talking about. I think the most important piece of

1304
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:38,519
Speaker 1: gear you can bring on this thing is a tripod

1305
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,679
Speaker 1: for your binoculars because you have to do the movement,

1306
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 1: because you can't do what we're talking about. And I

1307
01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: totally agree with you guys, like that's how you found them,

1308
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 1: that they're moving. But if you're hand holding binoculars and

1309
01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:50,840
Speaker 1: you're scanning a hillside, you'll never catch any of this

1310
01:17:50,840 --> 01:17:52,920
Speaker 1: stuff we're talking about because you don't when you're scanning.

1311
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:55,519
Speaker 1: You don't catch You don't catch birds. No, I'd pick

1312
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: up I pick up road runners, all kinds of little birds,

1313
01:17:59,680 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 1: you up rodents. It's like all movement. Not only you

1314
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: just see one, but a lot of times it's just

1315
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:09,080
Speaker 1: that it's like some picked up a pair of dose

1316
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: two dos um and these are like gray you know,

1317
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:16,720
Speaker 1: gray colored cus deer. If you can imagine, their backdrop

1318
01:18:17,160 --> 01:18:21,800
Speaker 1: is gray rock, as if they changed color to meet

1319
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:27,800
Speaker 1: to match the rock perfectly. Um. And they were four

1320
01:18:27,960 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: hundred yards away maybe, and I could not see those

1321
01:18:32,439 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: dough and I just got yeah, but they're incredibly difficult

1322
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:41,280
Speaker 1: animals to spot, they really are. And what she said

1323
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: cal about the scale. That was the one thing I

1324
01:18:43,880 --> 01:18:46,719
Speaker 1: struggled with that moving my binoculars too much, too much scanning.

1325
01:18:47,360 --> 01:18:48,920
Speaker 1: But there'd be spots. You know, you look at spots

1326
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 1: and you think, all, I can imagine seeing a deer there, right,

1327
01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:54,640
Speaker 1: And every once in a while they're okay, there is

1328
01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 1: one coming across this yellow, open slope. But what I

1329
01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: was looking at was much smaller than what I was imagining.

1330
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: You know, you look at the plants next to it

1331
01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:06,519
Speaker 1: and you realize your scale was all off. What I

1332
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 1: was looking for was something much bigger than what is

1333
01:19:08,720 --> 01:19:14,040
Speaker 1: actually there. I often question my range finder. Like two

1334
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:16,080
Speaker 1: nights ago, I crept out to where we knew one

1335
01:19:16,200 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 1: was bedded, and I was like, it's gonna be like

1336
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: six hundred yards away, but I kept getting those three

1337
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: m like this one's gonna be messed up. I'm like

1338
01:19:25,479 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: tapping it and like mentally you're like, okay, it can

1339
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:31,800
Speaker 1: be a little off, but not half off, not half

1340
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 1: the distance. It's amazing how three d yards. Sometimes you

1341
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,560
Speaker 1: pick one up glass and you're looking at him and

1342
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:38,599
Speaker 1: it's pretty close, you know, and you're like, oh sweet,

1343
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 1: and then you just pull your by knox down and

1344
01:19:40,840 --> 01:19:42,479
Speaker 1: you look over the top of them just to see

1345
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:45,080
Speaker 1: where it is with the naked eye, and you can't.

1346
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 1: You think, well, there's no way that three yards. I

1347
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 1: can't see this animal. Put your by knox up there.

1348
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:53,080
Speaker 1: He is playing his day broadside Buknox down just gone.

1349
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 1: A common conversation is something like, oh, there's one. So

1350
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,200
Speaker 1: I was like where, I don't know. I don't want

1351
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:01,960
Speaker 1: to take my eyes off, and then I'll like I'll

1352
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: then I'll what I explain where it is, and so

1353
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: like really like market with a bunch of ship. It's

1354
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,479
Speaker 1: a bush of tree is dump. But I'll like go

1355
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,800
Speaker 1: up real quick to the skyline and pick off some

1356
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: feature on the skyline and then zip back down to

1357
01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:17,519
Speaker 1: find my dear and then be like it's under whatever.

1358
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:20,960
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, and your heart's like frozen because you're like, oh,

1359
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,439
Speaker 1: they hope they're gonna he's gonna vanish. Kevinus are fine

1360
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:27,320
Speaker 1: and one not moving. And it was that you saw

1361
01:20:27,560 --> 01:20:32,040
Speaker 1: its salts nose, the shine off its nose. It has

1362
01:20:32,120 --> 01:20:34,960
Speaker 1: nothing to do with what's that shiny black thing? Yeah,

1363
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 1: there's no shiny black things in the bush. It was

1364
01:20:37,200 --> 01:20:41,479
Speaker 1: that deer was so unlucky. Yeah, and COO's deer nose

1365
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: for reference, would be about the let's say the base

1366
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 1: of a pop cam in in size, like the shine

1367
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 1: off the base of a popcam. How far were you

1368
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:01,240
Speaker 1: to us for one of these? But yeah, I saw

1369
01:21:01,680 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 1: jet black jet black spot in a bush. That's who

1370
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,000
Speaker 1: I tipped them off. If it's not movement, it's also

1371
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:12,200
Speaker 1: um a certain sunlight at certain angles on the on

1372
01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:18,880
Speaker 1: their hide. Yeah, bull betray them. Uh. Some of the

1373
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: best conditions the loca them are when the sun blasts

1374
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,479
Speaker 1: in a hillside in the morning, they can they can

1375
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,400
Speaker 1: make them pop. And then there's like there's conflicting theories

1376
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: about this, but they're they're they're not. They don't have

1377
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,680
Speaker 1: a wide comfort and they're not I don't think they

1378
01:21:38,720 --> 01:21:41,880
Speaker 1: have like a huge range of degree. What am I

1379
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:44,560
Speaker 1: trying to say that their their window of comfort for

1380
01:21:44,640 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 1: temperature is narrow. I mean they seem to play the

1381
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 1: sun a lot, and like they play like shadow shade

1382
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 1: not shade. On cold nights, they're like they seem to

1383
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: like when the sun his still side, they just really

1384
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,679
Speaker 1: seemed like the basket. It's where the sun the hillside.

1385
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:02,640
Speaker 1: You're looking and looking, look, there's nothing there. Also in

1386
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,439
Speaker 1: the sun gets kind of intense on the hillside, and

1387
01:22:04,439 --> 01:22:06,720
Speaker 1: also one's just there and you're like, oh, he must

1388
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: have just stood up, because it's no way he walked

1389
01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:11,400
Speaker 1: in there. And they'll stand turn sideways to the sun

1390
01:22:11,560 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 1: with just kind of like this like relaxed look on

1391
01:22:14,760 --> 01:22:17,080
Speaker 1: their face, not doing anything, and just like absorb the

1392
01:22:17,160 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 1: sun for some period of time. Um, but then they

1393
01:22:21,680 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 1: don't like that and then they slip around the earth

1394
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,120
Speaker 1: side of the hill to get in the shade. Yeah.

1395
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:28,759
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wish I knew what that comfort

1396
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:31,280
Speaker 1: range was for a cuz here, but yeah, if you're

1397
01:22:31,280 --> 01:22:37,240
Speaker 1: gonna set your thermometer for that, it's like an old grandma. Yeah, yeah,

1398
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,560
Speaker 1: they like it between sixty eight and seventy two or

1399
01:22:39,640 --> 01:22:42,760
Speaker 1: like whatever the joke is, right, something like that. For sure,

1400
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,519
Speaker 1: they don't any fat on him, right, no thin hide,

1401
01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 1: no fat tons of surface area relative to mass. Uh.

1402
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: We gotta talk about your last your last night of hunting,

1403
01:22:57,840 --> 01:23:02,320
Speaker 1: and just that how comfortable. The other question for me

1404
01:23:02,479 --> 01:23:06,840
Speaker 1: would be to truly determine how comfortable or confident these

1405
01:23:06,920 --> 01:23:11,720
Speaker 1: deer are in their hiding ability, because it seems to

1406
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:13,639
Speaker 1: me like once they find a spot to bed down,

1407
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 1: they're like, nothing's gonna find me, so they can walk

1408
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,120
Speaker 1: as close as they can. And Kevin, you had that

1409
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:23,840
Speaker 1: on on the same day as that you found your

1410
01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,559
Speaker 1: buck by looking at the spot on his nose, right,

1411
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 1: you had um Carrol come up. Carroll come up and

1412
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:35,960
Speaker 1: and uh, I'd seen a really nice buck, and I'd

1413
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,200
Speaker 1: seen three dos And I kind of made a push

1414
01:23:38,240 --> 01:23:40,160
Speaker 1: halfway up that ridge to to see if I can

1415
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 1: get closer and get a good look at him. And

1416
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,400
Speaker 1: I get there and I hear someone talking, and it's

1417
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: it's a guy on a horse like kind of in

1418
01:23:46,360 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 1: the middle of nowhere, hanging out. Yeah, like the one

1419
01:23:51,080 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 1: the phone booth as I preferred to it up there.

1420
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: It's like the one spot where you got two bars

1421
01:23:54,840 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: on your cell phone. And he was sitting there talking away.

1422
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:01,160
Speaker 1: He got two dogs running around with him. And after

1423
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes, he kind of rides off, and it

1424
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 1: was a little perturbed that I had made this push

1425
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:09,320
Speaker 1: and these deer, and uh, I guess it was they honest,

1426
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: and Anthony, I think, kind of slid lower on the

1427
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: hill and that guy wasn't gone fifteen minutes, and those

1428
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 1: doughs stood up. They had never moved. They were about

1429
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 1: a hundred and ten yards hundred forty yards from somewhere

1430
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:22,600
Speaker 1: in there. And he sat there on his horse with

1431
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:25,760
Speaker 1: two dogs running around, and he rode out right next

1432
01:24:25,760 --> 01:24:27,519
Speaker 1: to him and they sat tight in that bush. They

1433
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: never moved. Then the buck I ended up shooting. Um,

1434
01:24:31,560 --> 01:24:34,200
Speaker 1: he saw me, right, that's one of the only deer

1435
01:24:34,280 --> 01:24:37,160
Speaker 1: that I found, Like, but you don't see me. He was.

1436
01:24:38,280 --> 01:24:41,040
Speaker 1: He was pretty confident that you know he saw me,

1437
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 1: that I that I didn't know where he was. Well

1438
01:24:43,439 --> 01:24:45,680
Speaker 1: it's really hard to see him like that. It was

1439
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:48,240
Speaker 1: a good spot, and when they are under that brush

1440
01:24:48,400 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 1: like that, an old bush and the shadows, it's very

1441
01:24:51,400 --> 01:24:53,680
Speaker 1: difficult to see him. We spotted over the course of

1442
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:57,160
Speaker 1: the week very few bedded dear. The ones that we

1443
01:24:57,240 --> 01:24:59,719
Speaker 1: did kind of gave themselves up. They were skylined or whatever,

1444
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:02,800
Speaker 1: but very few. Like you know, meal deer hunting and

1445
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 1: things like that, you pick them out underneath the bush

1446
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:08,080
Speaker 1: or a shrub. These things vaporize, you know, right in

1447
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:09,800
Speaker 1: front of you. Sometimes you're looking at them. They step

1448
01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 1: behind a bush and then they never come out. No

1449
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:14,599
Speaker 1: one ever sees them again. I've been in places where

1450
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 1: they tend to they'll bet up on like open hillside,

1451
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 1: but they'll get under a big oak or something to bed.

1452
01:25:20,360 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: But these guys just go in there like cocktail rabbits.

1453
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:26,120
Speaker 1: They disappear, they go into it. We we we've all,

1454
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: we've been toying for you with this idea, like can

1455
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: you like there's a thing called rattling a deer in

1456
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: for people who aren't super familiar with all this stuff,

1457
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:35,639
Speaker 1: is basically um at a certain point in their cycle,

1458
01:25:35,680 --> 01:25:37,680
Speaker 1: their annual cycle, and they're getting I think particularly when

1459
01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: they're getting ready to go into breeding season, they're doing

1460
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,680
Speaker 1: a lot of sparring, you know, like different box these

1461
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 1: kind of like casual fights. You know, they'll get into

1462
01:25:45,200 --> 01:25:47,800
Speaker 1: just sort of measure up who's the man who's not

1463
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:50,160
Speaker 1: um and they fight a lot. No way to lure

1464
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 1: deer in is to to make the sound of things

1465
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,320
Speaker 1: of deer fighting. Uh. It's particularly like associated with white

1466
01:25:57,320 --> 01:25:59,920
Speaker 1: tail hunting. You clack, you like literally take two antlers

1467
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: and bang them together and make the noise of deer

1468
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:05,439
Speaker 1: fighting and dear. Well, yeah, probably out of like a

1469
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 1: lot of curiosity. Maybe it means that there's a doe

1470
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:10,400
Speaker 1: over there and they're fighting over Anyways, they'll come in

1471
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,360
Speaker 1: and we keep toying around with like various such situations

1472
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:15,080
Speaker 1: of trying to like rattle to see how these like

1473
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:17,760
Speaker 1: little desert white tails will respond to rattling. Call. And

1474
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 1: I are watching a deer and it's bed um at.

1475
01:26:21,240 --> 01:26:24,400
Speaker 1: It was yards away, and we're like, let's watch him

1476
01:26:24,439 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: and then rattle and see what he if he likes it,

1477
01:26:27,640 --> 01:26:30,400
Speaker 1: And Cal starts clacking away and the second Cal starts clacking.

1478
01:26:30,439 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: I'm watching this buck and all he does is one

1479
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:37,920
Speaker 1: not both, but one of his ears moves back and

1480
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,240
Speaker 1: then it goes back to where it was, and like

1481
01:26:40,360 --> 01:26:44,639
Speaker 1: he just doesn't care. I'm gonna take note, I'm gonna

1482
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:49,240
Speaker 1: write it down, but I'm not getting And that deer

1483
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,000
Speaker 1: we had found a deer there was that distance way

1484
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,559
Speaker 1: and started to stalk it, and they got moved at

1485
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:00,760
Speaker 1: one point and I got into where I got into

1486
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 1: where I was three d yards away from where the

1487
01:27:02,520 --> 01:27:05,200
Speaker 1: deal was betted, could not pick it out. And it's

1488
01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,560
Speaker 1: our last dayver hunt. It's getting darker, darker, darker. It

1489
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,679
Speaker 1: gets to be around five o'clock. It's dark at six.

1490
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: I find another dough with a smaller buck, and Cal

1491
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:18,000
Speaker 1: is through in the spot. He's go watching the buck

1492
01:27:18,040 --> 01:27:21,960
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be getting, and that buck's not a

1493
01:27:22,080 --> 01:27:25,799
Speaker 1: hundred yards away, hundred fifty yards away. And I shoot

1494
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,760
Speaker 1: the other buck, and Chel said, all that buck did

1495
01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,599
Speaker 1: was move his ear. Yeah, the buck in the bed

1496
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:37,800
Speaker 1: that I've been burning my eyeball out on, hoping he

1497
01:27:37,840 --> 01:27:41,280
Speaker 1: would stand up to give Steve a shacht when his

1498
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: compatriot there on the hillside where where his rival got

1499
01:27:47,240 --> 01:27:52,000
Speaker 1: uh ultimately killed by Steve um, will you make it sound?

1500
01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:55,200
Speaker 1: He goes drawn out in a very close to his

1501
01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:00,200
Speaker 1: bedded position. All that buck did was move an year,

1502
01:28:02,520 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: take note, and then move the ear back in position.

1503
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 1: And that was it. And I never never got an

1504
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:14,680
Speaker 1: inkling of like, oh, he's gonna stand up, and it's

1505
01:28:14,760 --> 01:28:17,760
Speaker 1: just like he took notes. He's like nine yards to

1506
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:22,599
Speaker 1: my left some jackasses making a loud noise, and then

1507
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:25,280
Speaker 1: a hundred yards down there, my buddy just got shot

1508
01:28:25,320 --> 01:28:29,720
Speaker 1: and killed. Noted, I'm gonna stay in my bed. That's

1509
01:28:29,760 --> 01:28:32,479
Speaker 1: why you do, like I was saying, I just stayed

1510
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 1: in my bed. It's amazing, amazing. But yeah, I mean,

1511
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 1: between the it's just it's such a nice feeling down there.

1512
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 1: You just feel, um, you get get a good primitive

1513
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: feeling feeling. You get a good feeling of like being

1514
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: in the wild. Um, lots of bird activity. Um. Seeing

1515
01:28:57,040 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: the ha Alina's kind of randomly do their thing is

1516
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 1: very entertaining. Um. I mean, it's it's a bizarre landscape

1517
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:14,599
Speaker 1: because some of the hiking is so pleasurable, and then

1518
01:29:15,080 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 1: you hit the wrong slope and it's just like walking

1519
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:25,759
Speaker 1: on you know, softball, like walking on baseballs. I felt

1520
01:29:26,360 --> 01:29:28,519
Speaker 1: when we were packing your back out, I felt five

1521
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: times on that slope um dog ownership. Dog ownership is

1522
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:45,320
Speaker 1: there's a different dog the human dog relationship is. I

1523
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:46,680
Speaker 1: don't want to it's not I don't want to. I

1524
01:29:46,720 --> 01:29:50,599
Speaker 1: definitely use the word antiquated. There's also just a shifting

1525
01:29:50,720 --> 01:29:56,040
Speaker 1: perspective on dogs. Um, there are on these large cattle ranches,

1526
01:29:56,800 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: there are like packs of dogs. Yeah dogs you I'm assuming, dude,

1527
01:30:03,080 --> 01:30:09,439
Speaker 1: have not been named. Large groupings of dogs that kind

1528
01:30:09,479 --> 01:30:13,040
Speaker 1: of just like fend for themselves. They almost have a relation,

1529
01:30:13,160 --> 01:30:16,240
Speaker 1: like they almost have a relationship to the property almost

1530
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:20,360
Speaker 1: like like it's a dog. Yeah, like a hog might

1531
01:30:20,479 --> 01:30:22,280
Speaker 1: have Like he's like, yeah, I'm gonna give a shit

1532
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:23,920
Speaker 1: about people, but I'm here there's food. You know, I

1533
01:30:23,960 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 1: hang around here and there's there's food around here. Yeah,

1534
01:30:26,439 --> 01:30:30,479
Speaker 1: it's a mutualistic relationship, right, Like the dogs are gonna

1535
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:36,200
Speaker 1: bark when something strange shows up. They are gonna probably

1536
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:40,800
Speaker 1: give Kyle tell Yeah. Um, these ones definitely had a

1537
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 1: hurting instinct. Yeah, there were something they're watching those sheep

1538
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 1: for sure. That sheep. Then I'm sure that none. They

1539
01:30:47,760 --> 01:30:50,600
Speaker 1: love nothing more to chase and cattle around. Yeah, and

1540
01:30:50,840 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: then I think the dogs get you know, some sort

1541
01:30:57,040 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: of feed. Um, not not in the way we do it,

1542
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: not in the very very soft way we do it.

1543
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 1: I've you know, they feed them almost like how yeah,

1544
01:31:07,439 --> 01:31:11,519
Speaker 1: like how you slop hogs. It's just an earlier version

1545
01:31:11,640 --> 01:31:16,160
Speaker 1: of domestication. And uh so there's a benefit there. And

1546
01:31:16,240 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: then there's also I think a benefit to There is

1547
01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:24,080
Speaker 1: a very serious kyote population out there, and so these

1548
01:31:24,160 --> 01:31:27,840
Speaker 1: dogs instead of being on hyper aler all night if

1549
01:31:27,880 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 1: they were outside fending for themselves, they're in a in

1550
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:33,760
Speaker 1: a spot that's got enough mark of man to where

1551
01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: the coyotes are, and the cats and stuff were kind

1552
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 1: of giving them, uh a wider berth is my guesses

1553
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,960
Speaker 1: how that kind of trade off works. We struck off

1554
01:31:44,040 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: from this ranch house one morning on foot and right

1555
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:53,600
Speaker 1: away there's like this little dog with us, and we

1556
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:56,000
Speaker 1: holler at it and be all mean to it and

1557
01:31:56,240 --> 01:31:58,800
Speaker 1: throw rocks. Yeah, not trying to hit it, trying to

1558
01:31:58,840 --> 01:32:01,120
Speaker 1: spook it. But the dog knows the rock throwing routine

1559
01:32:01,240 --> 01:32:02,680
Speaker 1: enough for when I went to pick up a rock

1560
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: and it took off, he's been and spend his whole

1561
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 1: life getting pummeled rocks. And then we're like, okay, we

1562
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:09,960
Speaker 1: took care of that problem, and we'd walk another half

1563
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,560
Speaker 1: mile and then here's this dog be again, and we

1564
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: do the holding over again, and then we did it

1565
01:32:14,200 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: three times, three times like legit ran the dog off,

1566
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: and eventually he just Now we're two miles away, but

1567
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,000
Speaker 1: he's still with us. And then we're like, all right,

1568
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: you just hang out. When he slid in at the

1569
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 1: two mile mark, it had been every i mean every

1570
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:33,760
Speaker 1: bit more than an hour since we've seen that dog. Yeah,

1571
01:32:33,800 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: he would blood trailer, and we had moved a long

1572
01:32:36,160 --> 01:32:39,320
Speaker 1: way not blood cent trailia. And we eventually let him

1573
01:32:39,360 --> 01:32:41,439
Speaker 1: hang out and he hangs out his all day, nicest

1574
01:32:41,439 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: dog in the world. We're patting him hanging out. I'm trying.

1575
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 1: I'm trying to like think about looking up how to

1576
01:32:46,160 --> 01:32:48,360
Speaker 1: bring a dog home. Cow's like just bringing home and

1577
01:32:48,360 --> 01:32:50,439
Speaker 1: act like you had it coming in. I'm explaining that

1578
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:52,439
Speaker 1: I'm just not in a position anymore to like lie

1579
01:32:52,520 --> 01:32:57,439
Speaker 1: to authorities. Um. So, then we're on a ridge that

1580
01:32:57,640 --> 01:33:00,280
Speaker 1: night and he see that some bit catch like his

1581
01:33:00,520 --> 01:33:03,680
Speaker 1: nose goes up in the air and catches wind of

1582
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: a deer, and holy shit, man, that dude knew what

1583
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: he was doing. It wasn't like he saw it. He

1584
01:33:10,479 --> 01:33:13,200
Speaker 1: caught wind and ran up and down the ridge a

1585
01:33:13,240 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 1: couple of times to narrow down the location, plunges off

1586
01:33:17,400 --> 01:33:20,200
Speaker 1: the ridge haul and ass. Pretty soon he's barking. I'm

1587
01:33:20,200 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: trying to figure out what's going on, even you. I

1588
01:33:21,760 --> 01:33:25,760
Speaker 1: see a dough squirting out across the valley flooring up

1589
01:33:25,800 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: the other side, and that dog still on him. And

1590
01:33:29,080 --> 01:33:33,000
Speaker 1: we thought, prove deer runner man, just yellow dog or

1591
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: the black black one. And then he came back just

1592
01:33:35,960 --> 01:33:41,479
Speaker 1: like we did it. He's like, I told you, I

1593
01:33:41,640 --> 01:33:44,760
Speaker 1: told you I was great. No one wanted to believe me.

1594
01:33:44,920 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: Good good hat. You guys didn't think I handed in

1595
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:55,360
Speaker 1: me and Steve and I felt like, um, we we

1596
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:59,920
Speaker 1: felt shamed. We felt like we've been we've been ahead

1597
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:02,519
Speaker 1: by the dog. You guys were suckers, man, because then

1598
01:34:02,640 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 1: the rest of the week you're feeding them. I don't know.

1599
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: Did we feed the dog. Yes, we packed col and

1600
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:15,720
Speaker 1: I packed out the Yeah, them deer legs, but never

1601
01:34:15,840 --> 01:34:19,600
Speaker 1: in the field. Never got fed in the field. I

1602
01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:24,759
Speaker 1: was laughing because, uh, those those two dogs, his yellow sister.

1603
01:34:25,479 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: They followed our truck the morning before, like all the

1604
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: way to the north and Joanna trying to outdrive him,

1605
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:38,280
Speaker 1: which you can't do you can't outrun them. Yeah, and

1606
01:34:38,760 --> 01:34:40,479
Speaker 1: set up my spotting scope on the side of the

1607
01:34:40,600 --> 01:34:44,720
Speaker 1: road and sit down and uh, I have just like

1608
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:47,680
Speaker 1: two puppies on top of me. And part of me's like,

1609
01:34:47,800 --> 01:34:50,160
Speaker 1: this isn't productive, and then the other part of me's like,

1610
01:34:50,280 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: but it's pretty awesome. Way that dog act a little

1611
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:57,840
Speaker 1: bit well. I remember one time I came home and

1612
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 1: I had Tracy from work. She's overd and we're trying

1613
01:35:00,880 --> 01:35:04,639
Speaker 1: to film something. My kid climbs out out of the car.

1614
01:35:05,200 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: He's with his nanny and all the kids, and they

1615
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:10,240
Speaker 1: climbed out of the car and he's got a McDonald's

1616
01:35:10,280 --> 01:35:13,120
Speaker 1: cup and the first thing out of his mouth is,

1617
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:18,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna be disappointed in us. That's that dog. Every

1618
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:20,160
Speaker 1: time that dog and show up, he's like, I know

1619
01:35:20,360 --> 01:35:23,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat me. I just know you're gonna beat me.

1620
01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:26,680
Speaker 1: But I can't help it. Just let's get it over with.

1621
01:35:27,160 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 1: And tried to persuade Steve into taking the dog because

1622
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:34,320
Speaker 1: I said, think about it, you can tell your kids

1623
01:35:35,080 --> 01:35:39,360
Speaker 1: that they have to learn Spanish because the dogs from Mexico.

1624
01:35:40,880 --> 01:35:43,960
Speaker 1: It's the only thing he understands. They would learn in

1625
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: a hurry then, Uh, Anthony, that was your first successful coup.

1626
01:35:49,640 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 1: Give me you know, I've give me some impressions. Um,

1627
01:35:54,760 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 1: I mean they're they're beautiful, dear man. You get up

1628
01:35:58,360 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 1: you know they're white tails, but they're a little different

1629
01:36:00,560 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: and by name only, yeah, by name only, right, But

1630
01:36:04,120 --> 01:36:06,400
Speaker 1: when you get up there and you really get close

1631
01:36:06,479 --> 01:36:09,080
Speaker 1: to one, and you know, holding your hands and look

1632
01:36:09,120 --> 01:36:11,160
Speaker 1: at that fur that for so different there. You know,

1633
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 1: everybody calls him a gray ghost, right, but then you

1634
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:15,920
Speaker 1: run your hand over that fur and see all the

1635
01:36:15,960 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 1: white in there and see the size. Um, it's just

1636
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,760
Speaker 1: real cool to haunt a white tail that is so

1637
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:25,720
Speaker 1: different but still a white tail. Oh what made him

1638
01:36:25,760 --> 01:36:29,000
Speaker 1: more familiar? Kevin saw one full on I've never seen this.

1639
01:36:30,200 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 1: He saw one work a scrape. Yeah yeah, actually in

1640
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:36,160
Speaker 1: a scrape. We think it's I think it literally might

1641
01:36:36,200 --> 01:36:39,080
Speaker 1: be the same tree we saw one work of scrape

1642
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:42,719
Speaker 1: last year. But um, you know he came in, worked

1643
01:36:42,720 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 1: a scrape, pete in it, kick the crap out of

1644
01:36:45,400 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 1: the bush next to it, scraped it some more, beat

1645
01:36:47,960 --> 01:36:50,439
Speaker 1: up another bush, and then just like cruised on out

1646
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:54,759
Speaker 1: of our life and branch. He did everything in about

1647
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 1: a minute. That you ever see a deer do in

1648
01:36:57,160 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 1: the rut and then over the back of the ridge

1649
01:36:59,400 --> 01:37:04,120
Speaker 1: never to be seen again. Um, yes, that was the

1650
01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,840
Speaker 1: first one. Yeah, Um, yeah, it was. It was fun.

1651
01:37:07,920 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 1: And you know, what's what I think is really fun

1652
01:37:10,360 --> 01:37:13,880
Speaker 1: about the hunt. We've talked about the terrain and um,

1653
01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:16,439
Speaker 1: how beautiful and different it is, but it's it's a

1654
01:37:16,479 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 1: really cool mix of it's really challenging to find them

1655
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 1: and to stop close enough, but it's, um, you end up,

1656
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:26,920
Speaker 1: you work at it, you see enough, and you have

1657
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 1: your chances. So it's like you kind of you always

1658
01:37:30,280 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 1: feel like you're in the game or that any minute

1659
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: could happened. Cal and I were hunting and we hadn't

1660
01:37:34,840 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 1: spotted a deer in a couple of hours and got

1661
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:39,120
Speaker 1: to that point of the day We're sitting in the

1662
01:37:39,240 --> 01:37:42,200
Speaker 1: sun where um, it's like a nap sounds pretty good.

1663
01:37:42,439 --> 01:37:44,599
Speaker 1: So I laid out and put my hat down, had

1664
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:47,560
Speaker 1: a nap for fifteen minutes, talking about what we're gonna do,

1665
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 1: and then it all happened real quick. You know, we

1666
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 1: see a doe run and a smaller buck chasing his

1667
01:37:52,360 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: buck came in. You kind of always have that feeling

1668
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:57,040
Speaker 1: that it could happen at any moment. That's that's a

1669
01:37:57,080 --> 01:37:59,160
Speaker 1: good that's a good point, I thought. And trying to

1670
01:37:59,200 --> 01:38:01,120
Speaker 1: explain why I've come to like it so much is

1671
01:38:01,160 --> 01:38:04,800
Speaker 1: it's a really nice blend in this area. It's a

1672
01:38:04,920 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 1: great mix of effort and reward. Where we hunted in

1673
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:13,799
Speaker 1: Texas not long ago on a on a big private

1674
01:38:14,240 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: unhunted ranch, they had a lot of nil guy and

1675
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:24,640
Speaker 1: the mix was unusual. Yeah, you remember, like, uh, the

1676
01:38:24,800 --> 01:38:27,640
Speaker 1: UNI bomber. Do you read the UNI Bomber's manifesto? I have.

1677
01:38:27,880 --> 01:38:31,200
Speaker 1: Actually his problem was what he didn't like his um

1678
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:34,680
Speaker 1: he had all human activity broken down in these like

1679
01:38:34,800 --> 01:38:38,720
Speaker 1: classifications of effort, and he said, like staying alive used

1680
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 1: to be like that took level five effort to stay alive.

1681
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:44,120
Speaker 1: Like level five effort was try as hard as you

1682
01:38:44,280 --> 01:38:48,439
Speaker 1: can and you had a chance, right, And that's what

1683
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: he that's when he thought human that that's what we

1684
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 1: thrive under. We thrive under is tried as hard as

1685
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 1: you can for a chance. But technology had gotten into

1686
01:38:56,439 --> 01:39:00,120
Speaker 1: where survivals level one, where um, you don't try at

1687
01:39:00,120 --> 01:39:04,519
Speaker 1: all and you're guaranteed to survive. So his gripe with

1688
01:39:04,600 --> 01:39:06,960
Speaker 1: technology was that then that gave us all of our

1689
01:39:07,040 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: neurotic behaviors in our unhappiness. So what you want to

1690
01:39:11,920 --> 01:39:15,680
Speaker 1: do is use technology to wage war on technology and

1691
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:18,840
Speaker 1: then discard the implements of war as you could until

1692
01:39:18,880 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: it was a battle of sticks and stones, and that

1693
01:39:21,200 --> 01:39:26,599
Speaker 1: he would un obamus back to uh un Obamas. Back

1694
01:39:26,640 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: to level five survival. Try as hard as you can

1695
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:35,160
Speaker 1: and you might survive. Um down, we're hunting Texas is

1696
01:39:35,200 --> 01:39:38,880
Speaker 1: like try kind of not at all, you'll be successful.

1697
01:39:41,040 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 1: And then there's whatever. It's like hunting doll sheep in

1698
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:47,920
Speaker 1: the fog, which is level six. Try as hard as

1699
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:51,120
Speaker 1: you it's still not gonna work, um, but it's a

1700
01:39:51,200 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 1: really nice like try hard and you're gonna be rewarded

1701
01:39:56,040 --> 01:40:01,280
Speaker 1: just enough to really hold your interest. It's like it's

1702
01:40:01,320 --> 01:40:02,880
Speaker 1: like it's like a it's like a it's sort of

1703
01:40:02,960 --> 01:40:05,280
Speaker 1: like this vending machine almost, you know. It's like there's

1704
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:09,000
Speaker 1: sort of like this like a known transaction. I'm gonna

1705
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,639
Speaker 1: put five bucks where the effort in and I'm gonna

1706
01:40:11,720 --> 01:40:16,320
Speaker 1: get a five dollar product, right, but it's not a

1707
01:40:16,400 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 1: dollar worth effort. It's five bucks worth the effort. Every

1708
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:22,479
Speaker 1: day it feels like that. It's like We're gonna work, work, work,

1709
01:40:22,920 --> 01:40:26,800
Speaker 1: and then it just could happen. It was a really

1710
01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: great blend main goals going down there. I was just

1711
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:32,880
Speaker 1: I just it's been a long time since I've got

1712
01:40:33,240 --> 01:40:36,439
Speaker 1: a good nap on the mountain in the sun, and

1713
01:40:36,520 --> 01:40:41,480
Speaker 1: I was so looking forward to that and the neuroses

1714
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:46,200
Speaker 1: of spotting that deer I got. I think I got

1715
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:50,720
Speaker 1: one ten minutes snooze in and in five days and

1716
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:54,160
Speaker 1: has with you. And I had made the the mistake

1717
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:57,519
Speaker 1: arresting my head against some branch on the tree. I

1718
01:40:57,520 --> 01:41:00,519
Speaker 1: had leaned up against him. Eventually the brand broke and

1719
01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,519
Speaker 1: snaped me back into consciousness, and I turned and glassed

1720
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 1: the hillside and my eyes were kind of coming into

1721
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:11,920
Speaker 1: focus on this. Uh CU's dear tough walked right into

1722
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:15,200
Speaker 1: the into the into the fuzzy black circle at that point,

1723
01:41:15,360 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: and um, but it was, yeah, I'm captivated by those things.

1724
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:23,560
Speaker 1: So I was like I couldn't. I just couldn't comfortably

1725
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: sleep because I was like, yeah, yeah, because well where

1726
01:41:28,160 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 1: skill meets opportunity, Yeah, they're rare enough that everyone you

1727
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 1: spot has a little element of like holy shitness has

1728
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:40,720
Speaker 1: a little element like you're pleased with yourself. Everybody's like, ha,

1729
01:41:41,800 --> 01:41:45,439
Speaker 1: damn it, I still got it to the to the

1730
01:41:45,520 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 1: point that where when somebody else spots a deer, eventually,

1731
01:41:50,439 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 1: if there's five guys on that hillside, eventually all five

1732
01:41:53,200 --> 01:41:56,240
Speaker 1: are gonna be like, um, can you walk me into

1733
01:41:56,320 --> 01:41:59,439
Speaker 1: that can show me where there's not so many that

1734
01:41:59,520 --> 01:42:02,439
Speaker 1: no one airs like every deer. Everyone like you'll be like, okay,

1735
01:42:02,520 --> 01:42:04,680
Speaker 1: that's cool, he says it. I'll keep looking. But they're

1736
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 1: coming and they're like, yeah, you know you know that,

1737
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:11,080
Speaker 1: dear you mentioned, Yeah, where exactly? For me, it's like

1738
01:42:11,200 --> 01:42:15,599
Speaker 1: almost like okay, recalibrate, look at a live one, look

1739
01:42:15,640 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 1: at one that is there for sure, and then get

1740
01:42:19,880 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 1: a good dose of that a little bit of extra dopamine.

1741
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:28,000
Speaker 1: Then keep looking again. Oh go ahead. What's really telling

1742
01:42:28,040 --> 01:42:30,600
Speaker 1: about this is when you're sitting back with you know,

1743
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:34,360
Speaker 1: three of us glassing and someone spots a dough, all

1744
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:37,000
Speaker 1: three people ask get walked into the dough. If you're

1745
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:38,960
Speaker 1: looking at white tails in the Midwest and someone sees

1746
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:44,000
Speaker 1: a dough, everyone's oh, whatever, right, someone spots a dough

1747
01:42:44,080 --> 01:42:46,280
Speaker 1: and everyone people are like getting spotting scopes out and

1748
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:48,560
Speaker 1: everyone wants to get on the dough. Yeah, it's like

1749
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 1: it's the rut, right, So, I mean it's like, you know,

1750
01:42:51,560 --> 01:42:54,200
Speaker 1: oftentimes that's what you find one and you just gotta

1751
01:42:54,240 --> 01:42:56,599
Speaker 1: stairs stairs, stairs, stairs, stairs, stairs, stair and eventually get

1752
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 1: like she's by herself. But sometimes you expect and like

1753
01:43:00,120 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: macho grande. I had some one other observation about UM. Oh.

1754
01:43:06,280 --> 01:43:08,479
Speaker 1: I think I think we debated a long time ago,

1755
01:43:08,640 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: probably last time we were all high on COO's Deer, Uh,

1756
01:43:12,080 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 1: was the value of a unit of measurement in describing

1757
01:43:16,439 --> 01:43:19,560
Speaker 1: things to people. I've come to believe that establishing a

1758
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,679
Speaker 1: unit of measurement in proximity to the thing you're trying

1759
01:43:22,720 --> 01:43:27,800
Speaker 1: to describe is valuable. You find a tree and we're

1760
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,760
Speaker 1: like that the width of that tree is our unit

1761
01:43:30,800 --> 01:43:36,920
Speaker 1: of measurement. Go seven units to seven o'clock. Yeah, I'm

1762
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:41,320
Speaker 1: a I've become a firm believer despite what jaysach what's

1763
01:43:41,320 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 1: that called the guys that call air uh, Yeah, there

1764
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 1: seems to be some discussion among pilots in JASACH like

1765
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 1: guys that call strikes. I think there's some disagreement in

1766
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,280
Speaker 1: that community about UM. We had a JSACH operator be

1767
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 1: like talk about is a method of establishing a unit

1768
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:06,880
Speaker 1: of measurement. And uh A pilot said, nothing sucks the

1769
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:11,440
Speaker 1: energy out of a cockpit more than a jsach operators

1770
01:44:11,479 --> 01:44:16,880
Speaker 1: suggesting a unit of measurement. But I'm a believer in

1771
01:44:16,920 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 1: the cous deer woods. I'm a believer in the unit

1772
01:44:18,960 --> 01:44:21,479
Speaker 1: of measurement. Well, we had a conversation. You were like

1773
01:44:21,600 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 1: thirty yards to my right and we're trying to talk

1774
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:28,000
Speaker 1: about where that deer's betted. I'm like, okay, now this

1775
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:32,839
Speaker 1: oak has a white trunk. It's this one's not snapped

1776
01:44:32,840 --> 01:44:36,200
Speaker 1: off the base. This one snapped off like ten twelve

1777
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:39,599
Speaker 1: ft from the base. Ten twelve ft up the trunk

1778
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:44,000
Speaker 1: gets snapped off and I and I hear Steve go, well,

1779
01:44:45,120 --> 01:44:46,640
Speaker 1: I don't agree with the hype, but I know what

1780
01:44:46,760 --> 01:44:55,160
Speaker 1: trigger Okay, An, you know what I don't mean. I

1781
01:44:55,200 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: don't mean to tell you what to do, but you

1782
01:44:56,560 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: do talk about Jay a little bit. Jay is an

1783
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:01,599
Speaker 1: interesting dude. Feel like he's an anomaly as a guide,

1784
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:08,360
Speaker 1: do you m M anomally? I just think he's like

1785
01:45:08,479 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: he's just like so like just very organized and even

1786
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:15,880
Speaker 1: keeled and predictable. His actual business acumen, I find is

1787
01:45:16,360 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: a two type of guide quality he's in the two percent.

1788
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:27,080
Speaker 1: But business not like business like like Eberneese or Scrooge

1789
01:45:27,240 --> 01:45:29,960
Speaker 1: kind of business, but just like a customer care and

1790
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:32,360
Speaker 1: that even sounds we don't how to describe it. You

1791
01:45:32,400 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: just feel like like very You just feel like you're

1792
01:45:34,800 --> 01:45:39,960
Speaker 1: very good hands. Yea, yeah, he's dialed. Yeah, I don't

1793
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:43,479
Speaker 1: know if it's o c D. But like, no, you

1794
01:45:43,520 --> 01:45:46,360
Speaker 1: think there's elements of that. Well, but the same way

1795
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,600
Speaker 1: that you have it for keeping your garage organized, you

1796
01:45:49,680 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 1: know that's o c D. He just applies that to

1797
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 1: getting his forms all tight. He's like delivering. I feel

1798
01:45:57,520 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 1: that he I feel that Jay Scott really um ah um.

1799
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 1: Besides what it might mean for like his business ever,

1800
01:46:08,240 --> 01:46:11,120
Speaker 1: really he has a per He feels a deep sense

1801
01:46:11,200 --> 01:46:16,080
Speaker 1: of personal obligation that when people that are interacting with

1802
01:46:16,280 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 1: him in that relationship, I feel that there's like something

1803
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:22,760
Speaker 1: beyond money or whatever, like like a personal sense that

1804
01:46:22,880 --> 01:46:27,799
Speaker 1: like he owes that person a level of care and service.

1805
01:46:29,720 --> 01:46:32,920
Speaker 1: Over a bunch of years of interacting with him, I

1806
01:46:33,000 --> 01:46:37,439
Speaker 1: think he's just doing a good job. Yeah, but over

1807
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,560
Speaker 1: a lot of years of dealing with guides and outfitters,

1808
01:46:41,680 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 1: I'll tell you there's only one person I've ever shown

1809
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:47,879
Speaker 1: up to and had them hand me a Manila envelope

1810
01:46:47,960 --> 01:46:52,440
Speaker 1: with my name on it, with every all the paperwork

1811
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:57,280
Speaker 1: and and duplicates or triplicates, and sample forms and sample

1812
01:46:57,360 --> 01:47:00,880
Speaker 1: forms on how you feel things out. Yeah, he's got

1813
01:47:00,920 --> 01:47:05,280
Speaker 1: a real passion for those deer, especially for big, big

1814
01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:09,479
Speaker 1: versions of the buckey kind. Um. I mean, that's why

1815
01:47:09,520 --> 01:47:12,320
Speaker 1: he does it. And he likes to spread the joy.

1816
01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:15,120
Speaker 1: He's not holding back, He's not holding the pickle recipe.

1817
01:47:15,200 --> 01:47:20,680
Speaker 1: Matt Dross. You know, I want to say that the

1818
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:24,640
Speaker 1: drills um for a long time, it was it was

1819
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:27,600
Speaker 1: it was his family's pickle recipe, and and and and

1820
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 1: and it was shared. It was shared, it was eventually shared.

1821
01:47:32,280 --> 01:47:34,680
Speaker 1: Do you have it? You read it out on the

1822
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:39,240
Speaker 1: Mediator podcast. I'm gonna give you the pickle Recie. I'm

1823
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: talking about Kevin Boddy. You know, you know your overview.

1824
01:47:46,720 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 1: You know, this is round two for me. Last year

1825
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:49,720
Speaker 1: was the first time I got a chance to go

1826
01:47:49,880 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 1: chase these things. And um, I remember last year when

1827
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 1: we were we were packing up to leave. Um, you know,

1828
01:47:56,320 --> 01:47:58,439
Speaker 1: we talked about coming back, and I didn't hesitate to

1829
01:47:58,520 --> 01:48:00,920
Speaker 1: say sign me up, right, I want to do it again.

1830
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,439
Speaker 1: It's it's a really special hunt there. They're a great critter,

1831
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 1: It's in an awesome spot. Um, it's beautiful down there

1832
01:48:08,040 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 1: right going in the up in the mountains, in the desert,

1833
01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,600
Speaker 1: that time of air is fantastic. Um, so all of

1834
01:48:12,680 --> 01:48:15,160
Speaker 1: it is like it's a great experience all around. You know,

1835
01:48:15,280 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: people talk about a one and done hunt. No, this

1836
01:48:17,880 --> 01:48:20,719
Speaker 1: is not no like muskats and then goes like Musko.

1837
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people do, but it's like you go on,

1838
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:24,920
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, I could do this every year,

1839
01:48:25,240 --> 01:48:26,840
Speaker 1: but it's not like it's not it's the thing. It's

1840
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: for me. It feels like turkeys. As soon as it ends,

1841
01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, dude, next, next, next years. Yeah it is.

1842
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,400
Speaker 1: It feels a bit like you know, to me, it's

1843
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:39,639
Speaker 1: it's a different critter, but the hunts really similar. It's

1844
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:41,479
Speaker 1: it's kind of like hunting not ad like in the

1845
01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:44,040
Speaker 1: West Texas Mountains. Reminds me a lot of that. The

1846
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:47,680
Speaker 1: hunts really similar. Um. It's a team sport too. I

1847
01:48:47,720 --> 01:48:51,280
Speaker 1: think that's another really cool part of that. Um, you know,

1848
01:48:51,439 --> 01:48:55,240
Speaker 1: almost sharing a lot of relevant information and yeah, um,

1849
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:57,759
Speaker 1: which is kind of fun, right. You know, the traditional

1850
01:48:57,800 --> 01:49:00,160
Speaker 1: white tail hunting, especially if you're an archery guy. That's

1851
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:02,360
Speaker 1: a that's an individual sport, right, You're not hanging out.

1852
01:49:02,760 --> 01:49:04,840
Speaker 1: It's not social sport at all. This is this was

1853
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,120
Speaker 1: really fun. You know, I love I love this hunt.

1854
01:49:07,160 --> 01:49:08,920
Speaker 1: And hell, how this hunt goes down with a great

1855
01:49:09,320 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 1: it really is. It's kind of that's a good point

1856
01:49:10,880 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 1: about it. It's not like a loner thing. I'm sure

1857
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:14,400
Speaker 1: there's probably some guy that does it that way, but

1858
01:49:14,479 --> 01:49:17,360
Speaker 1: it really invites because there's a lot of space to

1859
01:49:17,439 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 1: go around, there's a lot of information to get shared.

1860
01:49:21,479 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 1: Hunting together is very effective. Um, there's so much ground

1861
01:49:25,960 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 1: that like two guys can sit next to each other

1862
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:30,639
Speaker 1: and you're not overlapping. Yeah, you guys are probably gonna

1863
01:49:30,640 --> 01:49:33,200
Speaker 1: see twice as many deer as one guy would. Yeah,

1864
01:49:33,280 --> 01:49:35,200
Speaker 1: it's great to have another set of eyes, you know,

1865
01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:37,479
Speaker 1: I mean a week of five hours a day behind

1866
01:49:37,479 --> 01:49:41,639
Speaker 1: the glass by yourself be you know, when your eyeballs

1867
01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:43,840
Speaker 1: had fall out into your head would get probably pretty

1868
01:49:43,880 --> 01:49:47,080
Speaker 1: scrambled at that point. Right. So that's another part of

1869
01:49:47,120 --> 01:49:49,439
Speaker 1: this I thought was you know that I love about

1870
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: this hunt. This is absolutely kind of a team sport hunt. Yeah,

1871
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:55,320
Speaker 1: I don't know any more capacity. I don't know the

1872
01:49:55,360 --> 01:50:00,880
Speaker 1: full capacity of how many uh um, how much more?

1873
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:03,080
Speaker 1: You know, how many more people could go? I said,

1874
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: you have, like, I don't know, Well, it depends on

1875
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,160
Speaker 1: how many tags you have at the ranch. Certainly if

1876
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:11,360
Speaker 1: everybody wants to have the opportunity to kill one. But

1877
01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter to me really just to go down

1878
01:50:15,240 --> 01:50:18,479
Speaker 1: and hang out I would have I'd be like, oh cool,

1879
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 1: I have to deal with forms, just have to get

1880
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 1: a Tourists had a recap call with Jay this morning.

1881
01:50:30,520 --> 01:50:32,439
Speaker 1: He just called to see, you know how it went

1882
01:50:32,560 --> 01:50:34,920
Speaker 1: for us, and uh we guy just talking about just

1883
01:50:35,040 --> 01:50:38,639
Speaker 1: how important it is to It speaks of the team

1884
01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:42,519
Speaker 1: effort and how you cannot like once you find one

1885
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:44,920
Speaker 1: and if there's even sort of this idea that you

1886
01:50:45,080 --> 01:50:47,400
Speaker 1: that might be the one that you're gonna then continue

1887
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:52,560
Speaker 1: to pursue and try to kill it cannot leave someone's

1888
01:50:52,680 --> 01:50:56,920
Speaker 1: eyeballs at all times. Once you've made that decision. You

1889
01:50:57,040 --> 01:50:59,880
Speaker 1: have to have a hunting partner that when you say

1890
01:51:00,000 --> 01:51:02,519
Speaker 1: are you on that deer, They're like yes. And that

1891
01:51:02,640 --> 01:51:05,320
Speaker 1: means I will not pee, I will not snack, I

1892
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 1: will not look to the top of the ridge. I

1893
01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,120
Speaker 1: will when he goes behind the bush for twenty minutes,

1894
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:11,439
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go start to look around for other deer.

1895
01:51:11,680 --> 01:51:13,920
Speaker 1: I will look at that bush until that deer walks

1896
01:51:13,960 --> 01:51:16,920
Speaker 1: back out. It takes that level if you want to

1897
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:20,680
Speaker 1: be constantly successful at you know, at killing box and

1898
01:51:20,800 --> 01:51:23,120
Speaker 1: especially mature box. Do you remember when we put dirt

1899
01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:25,599
Speaker 1: years ago? Remember we putting dirt, myuth on washing the deer,

1900
01:51:27,240 --> 01:51:29,519
Speaker 1: big old but hillside one juniper on it, or like

1901
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,040
Speaker 1: dirt is a deer behind that juniper. Don't take your

1902
01:51:32,080 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 1: eyes off and hours go by, when we come back,

1903
01:51:34,280 --> 01:51:37,639
Speaker 1: it's still there there. There's no way it's still there.

1904
01:51:37,680 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 1: And he let it slip. He scratched it. Couldn't scratched

1905
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,720
Speaker 1: his eye. Man, we never went over there to check,

1906
01:51:47,400 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 1: uh Phil. So let's say you do your hunt safety.

1907
01:51:49,840 --> 01:51:53,200
Speaker 1: Are you scheduled? Uh No, not yet. And I'm still

1908
01:51:53,240 --> 01:51:54,840
Speaker 1: waiting to for Ben to come back. So we're gonna

1909
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:56,840
Speaker 1: have a talk about what the plan is. I guess

1910
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: you go do hunters safety. That's a good point. Has

1911
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:03,639
Speaker 1: been on paternity leave, yeah, I mean it's I haven't

1912
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 1: gotten an update, but his child should have been born yesterday.

1913
01:52:06,360 --> 01:52:12,840
Speaker 1: Anybody his wife is a little sick with infection, so

1914
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:16,320
Speaker 1: they put off the real Yeah, so they put off

1915
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,720
Speaker 1: the C section for a couple of days so that

1916
01:52:19,000 --> 01:52:22,679
Speaker 1: she's going in every day and doing so hopefully hopefully

1917
01:52:22,680 --> 01:52:26,559
Speaker 1: any day. Good luck to them. Uh. Once you talk

1918
01:52:26,600 --> 01:52:28,040
Speaker 1: to Maggie and Tracy, they'll tell you how to do

1919
01:52:28,160 --> 01:52:31,519
Speaker 1: hunter safety. Yeah, I'm doing it. So let's say you

1920
01:52:31,600 --> 01:52:35,800
Speaker 1: did do it. You're doing it? Yes? Uh? Are you

1921
01:52:35,920 --> 01:52:39,200
Speaker 1: sold not sold? Well? I had to talk with Calan

1922
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:42,400
Speaker 1: Ben about this. I have zero expectations, but I'm looking

1923
01:52:42,520 --> 01:52:44,960
Speaker 1: forward to it. Are you sold on? Would you go

1924
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 1: down to Mexico specifically for cuty? Are you not there yet?

1925
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:50,439
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think I'm there yet. I think

1926
01:52:50,479 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 1: every everyone would probably agree, But I mean it sounds

1927
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:58,840
Speaker 1: like a killer experience. Sounds great, Yeah, especially for people

1928
01:52:58,880 --> 01:53:00,280
Speaker 1: who've been doing this their whole lot. I was and

1929
01:53:00,720 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 1: still still get like jazzed about something like this. Yeah. Good,

1930
01:53:05,360 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 1: I'll put you in touch with Jay. You'll be the

1931
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,439
Speaker 1: old You're gonna be the oldest guy in hunter safety.

1932
01:53:10,720 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for sure. We'll be there with a bunch

1933
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:15,400
Speaker 1: of twelve year old No, they'll score better. That's fine,

1934
01:53:15,800 --> 01:53:18,639
Speaker 1: that's fine. Hold, are your kids six and one. Also

1935
01:53:18,680 --> 01:53:22,760
Speaker 1: they're not doing it yet, No, not not quite. Yeah. Um,

1936
01:53:23,360 --> 01:53:26,720
Speaker 1: any any final thoughts and well if you are interested

1937
01:53:26,840 --> 01:53:30,439
Speaker 1: Colburn and scott Outfitters dot Com right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1938
01:53:30,479 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 1: you know we keep talking about JA but um, I

1939
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,560
Speaker 1: don't want to be like the unsung here. But you

1940
01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:38,120
Speaker 1: know Dark his partner, Dark Colburn, who I love just

1941
01:53:38,200 --> 01:53:41,439
Speaker 1: as much. Yeah, he can glass him up there every

1942
01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:45,920
Speaker 1: bit as good as Jay can. Yeah. We didn't see

1943
01:53:45,960 --> 01:53:48,360
Speaker 1: him this trip, so he wasn't top of mind. No, no,

1944
01:53:48,680 --> 01:53:49,960
Speaker 1: I don't even know if he got it. I think

1945
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:51,920
Speaker 1: he just he took his boys down for the first

1946
01:53:52,000 --> 01:53:56,720
Speaker 1: time to Mexico right after the holiday. That's nothing I

1947
01:53:56,800 --> 01:54:02,600
Speaker 1: like about Dars. He's uh, very devoted um training his

1948
01:54:02,680 --> 01:54:05,320
Speaker 1: kids up and hunting. Well, I think that's the training

1949
01:54:05,439 --> 01:54:08,760
Speaker 1: is over, man, He's living. He's living the fruits of

1950
01:54:08,840 --> 01:54:11,439
Speaker 1: his labor right now. I mean, I think he's really

1951
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:15,280
Speaker 1: like he planned that and like, you know, not everybody's

1952
01:54:15,360 --> 01:54:18,200
Speaker 1: kids grow up to be hardcore hunters, but like he's

1953
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:21,000
Speaker 1: sort of you know, guided his kids to that and

1954
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,439
Speaker 1: now they're like, that's what we want to do and

1955
01:54:23,520 --> 01:54:25,320
Speaker 1: we want to do it with you, dad. And you know,

1956
01:54:25,439 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: I think guy as a father. He's just like, yeah,

1957
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: nothing beats this, like I did it. He didn't name

1958
01:54:31,280 --> 01:54:33,760
Speaker 1: him hunter either, did he No, but one has the

1959
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:38,160
Speaker 1: middle name of Coups. Oh, we can't leave the counter

1960
01:54:38,240 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 1: the final thing. We got to leave the conversation. But

1961
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:44,160
Speaker 1: I know that some number of people are like, no,

1962
01:54:44,640 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: there's no there's one guy, just one guy. Screw him.

1963
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:53,560
Speaker 1: You know what I'm gonna talk about. I think cows. Cows. Yeah,

1964
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:57,240
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. I've talked to the guys. Yeah,

1965
01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 1: it's not worth it. And I like to plant for

1966
01:54:59,520 --> 01:55:01,480
Speaker 1: those of you you are like, it's not what are

1967
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:04,520
Speaker 1: you supposed to say? It's cows. I've talked to the

1968
01:55:04,840 --> 01:55:08,840
Speaker 1: individuals who I know I know this like empirically, who

1969
01:55:08,960 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 1: have said the word and written the word more than

1970
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:17,520
Speaker 1: anyone else in the world, and they say, KU's deer.

1971
01:55:17,840 --> 01:55:19,680
Speaker 1: And one of them told me, and I will say

1972
01:55:19,720 --> 01:55:26,400
Speaker 1: it until I die, it's not cows. Whatever. Call what

1973
01:55:26,440 --> 01:55:29,440
Speaker 1: you want, just don't don't write us about it. Is that.

1974
01:55:29,600 --> 01:55:33,960
Speaker 1: You know what we're talking about. It's like, oh, sorry,

1975
01:55:34,040 --> 01:55:36,360
Speaker 1: what do you a little gray deer that hid? Real?

1976
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 1: Will that one? Yeah? Okay? They used to call it

1977
01:55:39,800 --> 01:55:43,240
Speaker 1: the Arizona. Dear, didn't they at one point? No? But

1978
01:55:43,360 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 1: Elliott cows cows Elliott cows. Uh. He has some strange

1979
01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:51,840
Speaker 1: beliefs he bleed in, like levitation and all kinds of stuff.

1980
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:55,720
Speaker 1: Interesting dude read up on him sometime that I want

1981
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:57,440
Speaker 1: to talk about that. So people who have to write

1982
01:55:57,480 --> 01:56:04,640
Speaker 1: the email about that, Um, the severed finger at all,

1983
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:06,400
Speaker 1: the tendon. I can't decide if I'm gonna put it

1984
01:56:06,440 --> 01:56:08,400
Speaker 1: on Instagram or not. Probably not, so I don't probably

1985
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:12,960
Speaker 1: look for that. Uh, probably have to say. Um just

1986
01:56:13,280 --> 01:56:18,240
Speaker 1: mentioned a big thank you for everybody who's already purchased

1987
01:56:18,280 --> 01:56:21,960
Speaker 1: tickets for the meat Eater off the tour. Damn it cow. Yeah,

1988
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:24,200
Speaker 1: that's that's a good one. I've been getting a lot

1989
01:56:24,240 --> 01:56:26,120
Speaker 1: of emails on that. You know, I used to how

1990
01:56:26,160 --> 01:56:28,160
Speaker 1: I used to to be. I used to not like ads,

1991
01:56:28,240 --> 01:56:29,880
Speaker 1: you know, when they run an ad like you don't

1992
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:32,360
Speaker 1: run ads for free on TV, right, And he'd run

1993
01:56:32,400 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 1: an ad being like hurry up and buy now. They're

1994
01:56:36,440 --> 01:56:40,440
Speaker 1: going fast, And I think, well, if they were going fast,

1995
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:47,680
Speaker 1: why would you wouldn't still run that because you'd be

1996
01:56:47,760 --> 01:56:51,240
Speaker 1: like those are when they went there the limited supply

1997
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:54,080
Speaker 1: Like sure, But I don't buy it because if it

1998
01:56:54,160 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: was limited, if they're all out, you wouldn't pure marketing.

1999
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:01,560
Speaker 1: So I don't. So I'm in his trap, trap because

2000
01:57:01,760 --> 01:57:06,400
Speaker 1: tickets are going fast. Yeah, you know what, I'm not lying.

2001
01:57:06,440 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 1: Take's going fast. Portland's sold out in four hours. All

2002
01:57:10,560 --> 01:57:14,000
Speaker 1: the v I P tickets are gone. I would guess,

2003
01:57:14,040 --> 01:57:17,080
Speaker 1: because we're talking about Sonora and that borders Arizona, I

2004
01:57:17,120 --> 01:57:19,000
Speaker 1: would guess when it's hits, you might get You can

2005
01:57:19,040 --> 01:57:24,120
Speaker 1: probably get Arizona tickets mesa Phoenix market. I haven't checked.

2006
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:27,240
Speaker 1: I was just saying, thank you very much. Well, you're

2007
01:57:27,240 --> 01:57:30,000
Speaker 1: not selling tours off to a great start, and uh,

2008
01:57:30,120 --> 01:57:33,880
Speaker 1: we probably need to. It's not really an apology. We

2009
01:57:33,960 --> 01:57:38,120
Speaker 1: can't be at every city everywhere, but you know, hopefully

2010
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:41,760
Speaker 1: eventually we'll come see you. And don't take it personally

2011
01:57:41,840 --> 01:57:44,720
Speaker 1: that we don't have a venue booked in your hometown

2012
01:57:44,840 --> 01:57:48,000
Speaker 1: right now. What happened and I had a feverish dream

2013
01:57:48,080 --> 01:57:51,560
Speaker 1: where I conceptualize this thing called dollar Dance with cal

2014
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 1: for twenty bucks for conservation. So if you do have

2015
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:57,760
Speaker 1: a live ticket to come to meet your live off

2016
01:57:57,800 --> 01:58:01,960
Speaker 1: the air, bring twenty bucks because you might need it

2017
01:58:03,200 --> 01:58:05,720
Speaker 1: if you want to dance with Cal in a little spotlight,

2018
01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 1: and we're gonna be marching, Dick. Cal is gonna think

2019
01:58:11,040 --> 01:58:14,480
Speaker 1: about getting some better shoes. Cal, let's say you had

2020
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:18,280
Speaker 1: to dance with a couple hundred people. Yeah, man, the

2021
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:21,800
Speaker 1: logistics of this, Uh, you want me to cancel it?

2022
01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,200
Speaker 1: How would you cancel selling with a name like dollar

2023
01:58:25,280 --> 01:58:27,840
Speaker 1: dance with Cal for twenty bucks for conservation? I mean

2024
01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:30,440
Speaker 1: that's like the stuff. That's a great name. Yeah, And

2025
01:58:30,440 --> 01:58:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm a sucker for things that go to conservation. So

2026
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:35,760
Speaker 1: we can't cancel it. We just gotta figure out a

2027
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:41,240
Speaker 1: way to make it. Maybe a little kisses like kisses,

2028
01:58:42,200 --> 01:58:48,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be male, does matter me? Kiss Cal for

2029
01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:54,080
Speaker 1: twenty bucks for conservation, Just a big old kissing life. Anyway,

2030
01:58:57,400 --> 01:59:00,240
Speaker 1: it's your chance. I'm gonna be there a chap rowing

2031
01:59:00,280 --> 01:59:02,480
Speaker 1: and I want anyone goosing him. I don't want anyone

2032
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 1: gooseing them or grabbing him in any kind of untoward fashion. Uh. Detroit.

2033
01:59:11,560 --> 01:59:12,800
Speaker 1: When I when I say these a lot of times,

2034
01:59:13,000 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 1: like the it's like the market, So like the Detroit,

2035
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, Phoenix, Philly, Pittsburgh, Boston, d C,

2036
01:59:25,480 --> 01:59:30,360
Speaker 1: d C, Minneapolis, did I say that. Yeah, we're going

2037
01:59:30,440 --> 01:59:36,200
Speaker 1: back to many. Yeah, Portland, the sorry Frederick Maryland is

2038
01:59:36,240 --> 01:59:40,560
Speaker 1: at the DC show. That's right, in the parlance of

2039
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:43,960
Speaker 1: tour agents as the DC market, but it's not in

2040
01:59:44,080 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 1: d C. And uh yeah, a lot of love on

2041
01:59:49,200 --> 01:59:53,160
Speaker 1: the last time this tour. It's a lot of love

2042
01:59:53,240 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 1: the people who live in in in uh areas where

2043
01:59:57,680 --> 02:00:02,760
Speaker 1: their lifestyle doesn't get a lot of support, right, Oh,

2044
02:00:02,920 --> 02:00:06,280
Speaker 1: like they're not out, It's all I say. It's like, yeah,

2045
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:10,600
Speaker 1: I mean, like, you know, gazillions of people who like

2046
02:00:10,720 --> 02:00:13,880
Speaker 1: hunting fish, right, but I kind of like that do

2047
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:17,400
Speaker 1: in l A, San Francisco? Portland's Oh yeah, it's funny

2048
02:00:17,400 --> 02:00:19,320
Speaker 1: because it is places for tickets go fastest, which is

2049
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:23,800
Speaker 1: the weirdest thing because it's like, oh thank god. Remember

2050
02:00:23,840 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 1: in Spinal Tap that it was like civilization. Um, did

2051
02:00:29,760 --> 02:00:31,280
Speaker 1: you get that reference film? You're too old for that?

2052
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:35,800
Speaker 1: Too young? Absolutely not? Now you didn't get absolutely not.

2053
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm not too young for that was one of my

2054
02:00:39,600 --> 02:00:41,880
Speaker 1: favorite movies. Turn it up to eleven. Never laughed harder

2055
02:00:41,880 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 1: in my life than when they bring the Little Stonehenge

2056
02:00:44,440 --> 02:00:52,760
Speaker 1: monument down its tiny crank. Do you mentioned the l

2057
02:00:52,840 --> 02:00:56,280
Speaker 1: A Market? Oh, yeah, we're talking about l A. Alright, good, good,

2058
02:00:57,160 --> 02:01:01,880
Speaker 1: just checking make sure Chicago. Oh didn't mention Chicago is

2059
02:01:01,960 --> 02:01:03,920
Speaker 1: Anaheim l A or what do we call l A

2060
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:08,560
Speaker 1: anaheim z l A. I tried to reach out to

2061
02:01:08,560 --> 02:01:10,280
Speaker 1: the cash you're killer, see if he can come out,

2062
02:01:10,320 --> 02:01:11,800
Speaker 1: but I haven't gotten hurt. I haven't I got a

2063
02:01:11,840 --> 02:01:15,960
Speaker 1: prompt him. Oh, Brian callin. Come on. Al right, guys,

2064
02:01:16,000 --> 02:01:20,760
Speaker 1: thank you very much for joining. Don't go cuz here hunting. Uh.

2065
02:01:20,760 --> 02:01:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't want to ruin a good thing. But the

2066
02:01:24,840 --> 02:01:28,600
Speaker 1: live shows. Tell j By no tickets are going fast.

2067
02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:31,560
Speaker 1: Tell j you won't pay more bucks. Jay is gonna

2068
02:01:31,560 --> 02:01:33,840
Speaker 1: be at the Mesa. Oh yeah, we're gonna have Jay

2069
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,680
Speaker 1: on stage in Mesa. Yeah, give you some real I'm

2070
02:01:36,680 --> 02:01:38,760
Speaker 1: gonna have Jay come out, and Jay's gonna give us

2071
02:01:38,920 --> 02:01:41,800
Speaker 1: his top five Arizona hunting tips. You can do fishing

2072
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:44,080
Speaker 1: tips to He fishes a lot because he fishes Colorado.

2073
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:46,760
Speaker 1: How about top five Arizona hunting tips and top two

2074
02:01:46,840 --> 02:01:50,000
Speaker 1: Colorado fishing chips, and you's gonna learn how to do

2075
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:52,200
Speaker 1: a drum roll. I think we should let him do

2076
02:01:52,280 --> 02:01:56,320
Speaker 1: top ten. He's got a lot in that coveasive his Spanish.

2077
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:00,520
Speaker 1: It was a good Spanish. You know. Vaka means I

2078
02:02:00,680 --> 02:02:06,240
Speaker 1: do banyo, but I think it's probaca casa. I'm still

2079
02:02:06,280 --> 02:02:14,400
Speaker 1: getting it. Yeah, Binato got it, carn a banato, Emberra solamente,

2080
02:02:15,600 --> 02:02:19,320
Speaker 1: what's ember? Remember that one. It's more Spanish than he

2081
02:02:19,360 --> 02:02:22,000
Speaker 1: spoke all week. No, I don't know that one. Man.

2082
02:02:22,080 --> 02:02:26,400
Speaker 1: It's oh damn it, dope. Yeah. I always laughed because

2083
02:02:26,440 --> 02:02:31,560
Speaker 1: one of your favorite stories is cabasa debacca. Yeah, I

2084
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 1: know all those words. All right, go do something else.

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Speaker 1: Thanks guys,