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Hello, Gray, and they killed us. 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.560 They asked us to host it back when you lived 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:29.079 here and we and I was like, we don't live 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:32.040 in New York. But Lisa, this is right up her 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:34.840 fucking alley. I'm like a lover of the Simpsons first 0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.800 six seasons maybe and then never again. So you are 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.720 like the biggest Simpsons freak I know. So this is 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:43.880 like a match made in heaven. I wouldn't use the 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.960 word freak, and I would. 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:51.240 These are these are then I wonder how you would 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:56.400 feel at Simpson's Trivia, but it was the knowledge was deep. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:03:59.160 I mean, so the other two judges so and okay, 0:03:59.640 --> 0:04:01.280 So it's at the gutter where I do stand up 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:01.720 all the time. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.240 So I know the bartender. 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.160 I see him on Wednesday as I've been performing at 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:07.840 that show for years, and. 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:09.720 I showed up. He's dressed as most Lack. 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:12.920 There's a duff beer and so I'm like, oh, I'm 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:14.640 about to have the time of my life. 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.360 And the it was just it was cool. 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:20.720 And then what they did and now I know I 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:22.720 sex and my sex and the City Trivia night was 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:25.560 a disaster. I did learn a lot from the Simpsons 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:29.080 trivia night. They watched an we watched an episode in 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.719 between each round where they get to like tally what 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.200 they need to tally. So in between each round there's 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.320 an episode on. So that's really fun. 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.640 Oh cute, So you don't like lose any momentum because 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:41.359 everybody's having fun watching Simpsons. 0:04:41.520 --> 0:04:44.600 Yes, yeah, but I loved deliberating. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:47.040 I love the little parade of people they delivered, Like 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:50.600 everyone did line readings and there's tons of different costumes 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:55.880 and it's like it was really hard and yeah, but 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:58.760 four people won and then we just loved some people 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.919 so much. There were on our mentions. But there was 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:06.920 a man who got upset he was not winning. I 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.520 guess there was a tantrum. I guess there was yelling. 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:11.560 I mean I was pretty wasted by that point. I was. 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:16.160 I was on cloud nine, so I kind of missed it. 0:05:16.360 --> 0:05:19.160 But he was annoying me the whole time, Like he 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.800 annoyed me, and he had a great costume. It just 0:05:21.800 --> 0:05:24.560 wasn't original and it's been done before, so like that's 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.440 part of it, you know, And it was a great costume. 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:30.400 It didn't tickle her fancy. Sorry. 0:05:30.880 --> 0:05:32.080 How many judges were there? 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:32.159 Were? 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:32.920 You and who else. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.640 It was me and two other people, Sarah and Jim. 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:42.080 And Sarah knew all the answers, but there are people 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.039 getting perfect like it was wild. 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:46.080 How many answers did you know? 0:05:46.839 --> 0:05:52.039 So I probably knew maybe like three per round, but 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.560 they also knew them and the only time I only 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:57.840 had one answer that the two of them did it. 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:03.040 Now, Wow, Oh I'm shocked. I always feel like you 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:04.599 would know every deep cut. 0:06:05.160 --> 0:06:07.400 No, that's not my thing, Like I don't quote, that's 0:06:07.480 --> 0:06:09.640 like not yeah really my skill set. 0:06:10.040 --> 0:06:12.920 But you did a sex trivia where everything was so 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.200 specific that everybody got mad. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.920 So I thought maybe that but that's yeah, it's because 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:18.840 I did a bad job. 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:20.080 Yeah, it's me planning. 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.160 I have over fifty pages of questions for sex and 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:24.880 the City, and I might have gone too intense. I 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:28.120 didn't have an episode playing like the people revolted, like 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.680 this is a very well done night. People went all 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:32.599 out and there was a baby. There was a baby. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.760 There was a krusty baby. Krusty the character of the 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.839 clown not like a disgusting krusty baby. 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:42.080 Uh, genius, like such a tent like so cool. 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:43.960 And then it was like he was like the crusty 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:46.760 doll and the parent had a shirt that was is 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:48.919 this good and evil switch? I mean, I feel like 0:06:49.000 --> 0:06:52.680 i'm but it was. It was impressive. I loved people's creativity. 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.440 Oh so then this man rights to the trivia night 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:59.239 being like, hey, when I have to get this message 0:06:59.240 --> 0:07:02.680 the guy who didn't, Oh my god, and they responded 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.159 so well, I'm like so into how they responded. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.640 So he wrote, I know you all. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.680 Weren't the judges, but I'm livid I wasn't even top five. 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:16.480 And then the monocle, the monocle emoji like the smiley face, 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:21.040 being like, excuse me what, and they responded, I know 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:23.920 you made that very clear. So I thought that was 0:07:24.240 --> 0:07:27.360 like a pretty good response where it's like, yeah, we 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:31.720 know you're mad, Like honey, it's a funny const I 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:36.200 really fought for someone that, you know, like it happens. 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:39.160 People were better than it's what are we talking about. 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.600 It's a costume, gondas, it's for fun. It was there 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:42.880 like a big cash prize. 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:43.440 What the fuck? 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:48.640 The prize was venus Gummy de Milo statues on like 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:51.200 a pillow. So it was cute, but everyone got a 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:55.960 button and the best team name wins as well, but 0:07:56.640 --> 0:07:58.080 people come every single. 0:07:57.760 --> 0:08:00.800 Month, so that's like, wow, it's amazing. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:04.640 None of my Simpsons friends like I My love is 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.280 the like the visual, you know, I like I like 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.600 to own the stuff. I like the merch and I 0:08:10.760 --> 0:08:13.560 like the stills, like I like following the instagrams where 0:08:13.560 --> 0:08:16.040 it's just like this is so fucking cute. 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.239 Oh but I haven't even wilder thing. Oh my god. 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:24.880 So the winners to me were it was it was 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:27.240 this guy with the big hand. He's like, I'm sick 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.000 of being made fun of with my big hand. It 0:08:29.080 --> 0:08:32.080 was it's a two person costume and it was very 0:08:32.200 --> 0:08:35.200 very good. And so I ended up talking to them after. 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:36.959 Oh my god, did I not post them? I did, Okay, 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.600 So then after the so that's that was like all 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:42.920 of our favorites. We because what we did it was 0:08:42.960 --> 0:08:44.840 all the judges we wrote each one on our own. 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:47.280 We circled our favorites and then we all said our 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.760 favorites and then that and then all of ours, like 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:50.960 that was all capitalized. 0:08:51.000 --> 0:08:52.079 Like we were very impressed. 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:55.120 So I'm talking to them after they've want They've they've 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.920 been doing this costume contest like multiple years in a 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:58.680 row where chatting. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:01.040 Taylor Swift comes up. We're talking Taylor. 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.040 All of a sudden she looks at me and she goes, 0:09:03.280 --> 0:09:05.440 were you at Coney Island July fourth? 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.400 And I go, oh my god. 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.840 And she was the one that commented on my bracelet 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:13.320 when I was in mine with Lane to go into 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:13.880 the ball thing. 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:18.319 She was behind me in line. Wow, yeah, my. 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:20.440 Blue dress on a boat bracelet And I was like, 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:24.520 oh my god. So that was like pretty exciting as well. 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:28.679 Small fucking world, man, that's cool. Yeah, people went all 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:31.920 out like that. It's like it's a delicate balance because 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.640 you can't be too obscure. This person was too obscure, 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.800 but I was like obsessed, and it can't be too 0:09:37.880 --> 0:09:39.760 easy even if it's fun, Like I really like the 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:43.079 rainbow wig George Bush, but like you got a wig. 0:09:43.000 --> 0:09:46.319 You know, you can't win. Yeah. There was like a 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:47.000 muppet here. 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:50.520 There's like a whole situation and they act out scenes. 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:53.079 So some people like all had like fun lines and stuff. 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.400 And there was a group project where there was like 0:09:57.480 --> 0:09:59.360 seven men and I'm like, for seven men to get 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:00.520 a costume ca test. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.920 Together, for seven men to organize anything good? 0:10:02.960 --> 0:10:05.960 They well, and that the gutter, like the hallway into 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:09.439 this back room is the toilets. It's like, it's disgusting. 0:10:10.000 --> 0:10:12.520 But they were all spray painting in the hallway and 0:10:12.559 --> 0:10:14.760 I was like, this is fucking cute. So we gave 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:17.160 them an honorable mention. I'm like, all these men got 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.800 together bought cloaks. I can't even believe it. Impressive, impressive. 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:24.680 So yeah, sorry if that was just babbling on and on, 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:28.160 but it was just so fucking fun. 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.720 I love I'm bad sounds really that sounds like perfect, 0:10:32.280 --> 0:10:35.400 a perfect evening for you to judge a Simpson's costume contest. 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:38.200 I mean perfect. Yeah, I mean we took I'm serious, 0:10:38.280 --> 0:10:40.520 we took it serious. And then and then I kind 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:43.480 of you know me. So then we're talking and outside, 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:46.160 I go, okay, how about we do honorable mentions and 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.720 I'll give all of them twenty dollars And they're like, okay, 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:49.199 I don't. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.200 Think we should be handing out doll and I was like, 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:54.880 you're right. I just they're like, because other people had 0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:56.520 good costs. Like she's like, what are. 0:10:56.360 --> 0:10:58.200 You doing and I'm like, no, no, you're right, and she 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:00.880 goes Because the statue might not even be worth twenty 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:03.160 dollars and I'm like, no, I just take it too far. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.960 You are a stranger to me. It's fine, I'll relax, 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:07.280 you know. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.640 Yeah, well that sounds really fun. 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:15.480 Yeah, if you're not and you're into that, I would go. 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.120 Yeah, in Brooklyn at the Gutter, everybody go to the 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:18.920 Simpsons trivia. 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.800 That was a team that only got like four points 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:24.960 total over three rounds. Like it's really hard, Like it's 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:26.839 not really, it's very competitive. 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:32.080 It's very hard, and yeah, that's like there's certain people 0:11:32.080 --> 0:11:34.360 that are good at that. Like I love thirty Rock, 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.559 but my brother has seen every episode of thirty Rock 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.880 one thousand times and knows every single character in every 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:41.560 single phrase, and like like he goes to that crazy 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:44.560 thirty Rock trivia nights and like does well. And I'm like, 0:11:45.120 --> 0:11:47.480 I'm more of a general knowledge kind of gal about 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:50.160 a lot of different things, but I do love trivia. 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.760 Well. How animation is harder too, because I think I 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.400 could do a sex and the City's Seinfeld easier than 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:58.480 even Simpsons or this fandom is just so intense. 0:11:58.559 --> 0:12:01.400 Well, also, that's the City is six seasons and how 0:12:01.400 --> 0:12:02.360 many is Simpsons? 0:12:02.400 --> 0:12:02.640 Thirty? 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:04.560 Yeah, but this is nice they don't do. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:10.120 It's only ninety Simpsons. Yes, yes, still, it's a lot. 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.280 It's a lot of episodes, a lot of a content. 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.160 Speaking of animation, so deep, like it just runs deep. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.320 Like while we were watching the episodes, people were like 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.240 screaming the lines out altogether. 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.960 Yeah, it's it's deep. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:28.520 But I'm sure I probably have one of the better 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:34.040 collections of things. Yes, of vintage merch, I'm sure, Oh 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:35.960 my god. And I loved my costume, but one girl 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.360 was shady. I will not name names, but uh well, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:39.400 I don't know anyone's name. 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:43.000 I was new there. But I won't name names because 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:43.800 I can't name names. 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:50.840 But you know, I bought the shirt off at the 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.960 I'm not part of the contest, like I'm just a judge, 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:54.720 but like, you know, I want to just so. Someone 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.679 was like, oh, yeah, I love that for like an 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:01.280 easy costume, and I was like, you bitch, Oh shut up, you. 0:13:01.320 --> 0:13:02.960 Bitch, So like if you don't want to, like actually 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:04.800 use a hot glue gun, I guess that's cool. 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:06.960 I got the hat too. 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:07.680 Yeah. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:14.040 Wait, speaking of animation, did I tell you I took 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.720 my kids to see the Wild Robot. 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:18.960 I have not even heard of that you haven't. 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:21.720 Oh my god, that's so funny because if you're going 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:25.319 to see any kids movies lately, like it's been the preview. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:27.920 It's like the big dream works like Fall movie, Like 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:32.160 it's based on these books that people love, and Lupita 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.600 Nango is the voice of the robot. Then there's like 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:39.800 a fox and he's Pedro Pascal. But it's the books 0:13:39.840 --> 0:13:42.760 are apparently amazing, amazing, amazing. I haven't read them yet. 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.560 My children are not into chapter books yet. But the 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:52.800 movie is so good, so beautiful. I cried inces I 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.079 couldn't stop crying. Rosie at one point goes, I can 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:58.880 hear you, and I was like, yeah, I'm I mean, 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:00.720 it wasn't like I was so but I was just 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.560 sniffling and like wiping my nose because I was crying, 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.720 and Rose kept looking over. It's it's in the future, 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:12.480 and it's like a robot gets dropped into a forest 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:16.200 by accident, like washes up from like a shipment that 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:20.120 gets lost, and then she's just like one of these 0:14:20.240 --> 0:14:24.600 robots from the future that just does tasks and she 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:30.040 befriends these animals and it's just it's really like, I mean, 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:32.640 the whole movie is like it feels like a metaphor 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.080 for like motherhood, but also like so many kids movies 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:38.120 are about like how we treat the planet and what 0:14:38.160 --> 0:14:40.280 the future is going to look like and stuff like that, 0:14:40.800 --> 0:14:45.840 you know. But I was just crying, like it was 0:14:46.000 --> 0:14:48.360 so and afterwards I was like, I mean that movie 0:14:48.400 --> 0:14:50.160 should win an Oscar. Don't think everyone should want an 0:14:50.160 --> 0:14:52.320 Oscar like, and Jared was like, wow, you really loved it. 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.160 I was like, you didn't love it, like it was 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.400 so good, Like I was like arguing with it. He 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.400 loved it. He loved it. He was like, that was excellent. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.520 But I don't know. I I'm always like sometimes I'm 0:15:01.560 --> 0:15:04.200 like some animated movies that make it into the Oscars. 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:05.920 I'm like, I don't know this one. 0:15:06.320 --> 0:15:09.520 It's just like it's beautiful, it's gorgeous, it's wonderful. 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:10.040 Wow. 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:13.080 I really loved it. I really like it. Yeah, they 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:13.880 really liked it too. 0:15:14.360 --> 0:15:15.320 They really liked it too. 0:15:16.240 --> 0:15:19.120 They you know, Oscar gets to a point always at 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:20.480 a movie where he's like, Okay, it's time for me 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.280 to stand up now and watch the movie while I 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.080 bang on someone else's seat, and I have to stop 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.480 him from doing that. He only did it for like 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:28.320 a second and I was like, so sorry, and then 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:32.040 he stops. But he also gets very mad and we 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:33.720 run out of candy, like when we ran out of 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.720 M and ms and he's yelling, I want more ass 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.200 and we're like in a quiet movie. So I had 0:15:39.200 --> 0:15:41.440 to handle that. But besides that, they did great. They 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.440 loved they loved the movie because it was like a 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:46.280 bunch of animal talking animals and stuff like that, and 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.360 it just looks really beautiful, like the actual animation is gorgeous. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:54.920 But yeah, fun, little fun, little hout to the movies. 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.720 Yeah, because I haven't seen a movie in a while 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.600 that I was like, I really love that. And then 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:01.320 the next day of the weekend, I was out the 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.560 whole fucking day, like dead with a cold, so sick, 0:16:04.720 --> 0:16:07.600 and uh the kids they went out and they did 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.400 fun shit. But uh oh, and I went to Chuck 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.080 E Cheese on Friday, so maybe that's where I got 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:12.520 the cold. 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:17.240 We went to Chuck E Cheese. That's actually exactly where 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:17.760 you got it. 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.880 That's where I picked up all the germs. We went 0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:22.400 to Chuck E Cheese. It was fun, it was like 0:16:22.400 --> 0:16:24.040 a pta thing and I just got with some of 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:26.280 the moms. I know, we're all just like talking, shit, 0:16:27.080 --> 0:16:30.160 how are the PTA War's going? 0:16:30.760 --> 0:16:31.240 Oh? 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.280 Everything is going well. So did I talk about this 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:35.160 on the podcast? 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:38.160 I like said it kind of slow. You might have 0:16:38.200 --> 0:16:40.280 said it somewhere else or we were just talking. 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:42.880 So I don't know anybody that sends a kid to 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.160 my school listens to our podcast. But in case, I 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:50.920 mean no, there's just like there's just there's two programs 0:16:50.960 --> 0:16:53.280 at our school, and there's sometimes people feel like they're 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:56.760 not equal. So there was elections to be able to 0:16:56.800 --> 0:16:59.040 decide where the money goes in the school. And I 0:16:59.200 --> 0:17:02.120 ran with a bunch of moms from my class and 0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:02.760 we did win. 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:05.480 So that was you never even told me why? Yeah, 0:17:05.480 --> 0:17:07.920 thank god, Yes we won. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.959 But it was crazy because I was I was at 0:17:10.960 --> 0:17:13.520 the last podcast network about to go live on this 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:17.760 insane bonkers show that they do that Ed Larston hosts. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:20.040 That's like called Hoop a Googo, and it's like you 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.320 basically are in the future. No one has names anymore, 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:25.080 and you have to look at the brighter side of 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:27.600 different search situations. You have to say why this is 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.119 a good thing that happens, So they'll give you different 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.840 situations and then the audience votes on whether who has 0:17:32.840 --> 0:17:35.919 the best answers and stuff. So I'm on this meeting 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.359 for school and it's like getting down to the wire 0:17:38.400 --> 0:17:40.520 where we have to go live on this live stream 0:17:40.560 --> 0:17:43.280 and I'm like, hey, guys, like are we going to vote? 0:17:43.320 --> 0:17:45.359 Because I have to go. But I can't be like 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.280 I have to be on hoop of Googo. It's like, 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.080 what is my life as a parent that also does 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:51.720 comedy stuff like that? 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.280 I have to be like, but I know race, Like, 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.040 was it like Bad Moms the movie? 0:17:56.160 --> 0:18:00.000 Like what was like Republicans? It was Republicans versus Democh. 0:18:00.359 --> 0:18:03.320 It was literally everybody that voted you had to say 0:18:03.320 --> 0:18:05.560 your votes out loud Lisa, so you had to go, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:09.840 my vote is for Lisa, Kara, Casey, Susie whatever, like 0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:12.000 that's what you had to do. And so everybody said 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.119 their votes out loud. Everybody that voted for me voted 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:15.960 for the same other four people. Everybody that voted for 0:18:16.000 --> 0:18:18.080 the other four or five people voted for them. It 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:21.000 was right down the middle, and we just had more 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.200 people that came out, so we won. 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:27.239 But I was like better, ask, yeah, but why are 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:27.920 we doing this? 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:28.600 Out loud. 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:31.760 Why is it all like some kind of voting like software. 0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:34.000 It's because it's all online. It's because it was on zoom, 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:35.760 you know, like if it was in person, it probably 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:37.919 would have just been like dropping a ballot into a 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:38.760 bag or something. 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.600 But yeah, it was. But it was stressful. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.160 It was stressful, like everybody was like, and then one 0:18:45.160 --> 0:18:48.520 woman tried to go, well, can Kara even win if 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:50.560 she has to leave? Because I was going to cast 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:52.760 my vote and then go, and they were like, can 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.840 she even win if she if she has to leave? 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.040 And they were like, actually, she can. She just needs 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:59.359 to accept her nomination and then she can. But somebody 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.560 was trying to get me out, like so it was 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:05.560 school drama, like it was funny though. 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.240 I think you're gonna rule. Well, I think it's gonna 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:11.360 be good. I mean because balance I am. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.520 I'm not trying to give anybody anything. 0:19:13.560 --> 0:19:15.960 Actually, I'm trying to spread it out amongst the whole school, 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.040 Like I'm not really trying to make sure any program 0:19:18.080 --> 0:19:19.359 gets more money than another program. 0:19:19.440 --> 0:19:22.080 And that's my thing. Ye know, say you're right, it's 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:25.760 so h left wing right wing. It was absolutely like 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:26.399 down the middle. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.080 Nobody was like we all had to give a little 0:19:28.119 --> 0:19:30.520 like introductory, not like speech, but like a couple of 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.040 lines about ourselves. No one listened. No one was like, oh, wit, 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:35.480 actually this girl's actually done a bunch of budget stuff before. 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:36.560 Maybe we should nominate her. 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:39.000 Like everybody just voted for who they were told to 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:40.360 vote for when they came on. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.000 So it was, you know, school drama. 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.320 Well, congratulations on your PTA win my victory. 0:19:48.400 --> 0:19:49.919 I mean it's not even part of the PTA, but 0:19:49.960 --> 0:19:52.240 thank you so much. It's like, that's how many different 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.199 school groups there are. So now I'm involved in two 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:57.600 different school groups, and I'm also the room parent, still 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:58.200 doing that. 0:20:01.000 --> 0:20:02.320 What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do? 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:03.840 Some people have to sit behind a desk all day. 0:20:03.840 --> 0:20:05.000 At least I have a little bit more of a 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:07.080 job where I have a little bit of extra, you know, 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.520 daytime time to go to the school, going into help 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:11.760 with art on Friday. They need help with art, So 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:13.919 I go in now sometimes on Fridays to help with 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:17.160 the art projects. It's so funny. It's like twenty kids 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.080 yelling Rosie's mom at me, all right, the second flag 0:20:20.160 --> 0:20:23.479 has been waived. And but I do have to say 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:26.439 I also not okay, I've been partying like I'm like 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.640 twenty four again only a few days. 0:20:28.680 --> 0:20:32.320 But it's Greek havoc on my life. I am slugging 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.600 through life in a way you don't imagine. Like I've 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:37.400 been waking up at six in the morning chugging gatorades 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:41.679 like it's not it's not pretty. But also I have 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:46.240 found time to watch three full complete shows in this week. 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:50.320 So I watch did reach? Okay? So I watched a 0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:53.679 Perfect Couple? Oh, I ask you if you were watching that. 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:57.720 I watch Nine Perfect Strangers, and I watched. 0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.880 How to Die Alone. Oh that's right. 0:21:02.680 --> 0:21:04.680 So How to Die Alone one of the best news 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:11.040 shows out there. I'm a contender, like fantastic, funny, heartfelt, shocking, unique, cool, 0:21:11.240 --> 0:21:15.400 good good, it's so good. Nine Perfect Strangers, bawling all night, 0:21:15.480 --> 0:21:19.399 watched it till six in the morning. And then Perfect Couple. 0:21:19.960 --> 0:21:22.040 So many podcast people, it was kind of fun, but 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:22.360 it was. 0:21:22.280 --> 0:21:25.160 The Perfect Couple written by former guest of our show, 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:25.919 Jenna Lemia. 0:21:26.280 --> 0:21:28.720 Yeah, and then Michael Beach is in it, Megan fay 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.520 He and you know, Dakota Fanning is having a moment. 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.679 So I'm like really excited about that. Like, I'm happy 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:35.400 to be on. 0:21:35.840 --> 0:21:39.280 Her uh her ride, and she just had like a 0:21:39.320 --> 0:21:41.360 really cool I think with the cut or some sort. 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:42.919 Of Yeah, that's probably what I thought to where they 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:44.719 were like she's got a long career ahead of her, 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:45.439 and I was like, good. 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:46.040 For you, good for you? 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.400 Well, yeah, I thought she's been working for decades. 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:51.159 I mean, we're lucky to have her, and I'm happy 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.639 the Fanning sisters are getting what they deserve. 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:59.960 Yeah, yeah, amazing. So yeah, would Perfect. 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.119 I'm gonna watch that, and I'm gonna watch Natasha's I 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:03.600 don't know if I can. You told me you don't 0:22:03.600 --> 0:22:05.960 think I should watch Perfect Strangers, right, I definitely don't 0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:07.080 think you should watch nine Perfect. 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:10.119 Okay, I'm gonna watch any pickup and I'm gonna watch 0:22:10.640 --> 0:22:11.880 I'm gonna watch How to Dialge. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:13.000 I love Natasha Rothwell. 0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:15.760 We were both on a showcase once together where she 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.720 was Maya Angelou drunk at a wedding was her sketch 0:22:19.760 --> 0:22:22.720 and it was so fucking funny, Like I've always thought 0:22:22.760 --> 0:22:25.560 she was so talented and I love her. 0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.200 I love her. Well, let's get started. I wanted to 0:22:28.240 --> 0:22:31.119 give one more, but the listeners can tell us if 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:33.720 they disagree. I do not think Kara should watch Nine 0:22:33.720 --> 0:22:34.679 Perfect Strangers. 0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:38.439 Yes, right, and see dm us and let us know, 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:40.160 please please, Maybe we'll do a poll. 0:22:42.160 --> 0:22:43.440 One more little plug too. 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:47.760 I have this new advice Colin show with Jackie Zebrowski 0:22:47.840 --> 0:22:50.000 called Who's the Bitch? If you guys can subscribe and 0:22:50.040 --> 0:22:51.600 listen to it and watch it, I would love it 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:52.080 so much. 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:54.160 That's that. 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.400 Should we get started. We've got a great guest today, 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:57.320 We've got a great show. 0:22:58.000 --> 0:23:06.560 We do it. Okay, we are doing Blinded. Who sings 0:23:06.600 --> 0:23:11.480 by the light? Wrapped up like a the middle of 0:23:11.600 --> 0:23:12.040 the night? 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:13.080 I don't know. 0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:17.960 And also, what's the word they're saying, blinded by the light? 0:23:18.080 --> 0:23:21.320 It's by Manfred Man's earth Band. 0:23:21.720 --> 0:23:22.680 Shut the fuck up? 0:23:23.200 --> 0:23:27.800 Yeah, I wish I was lying wrapped up like a deuce, another. 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:29.679 Runner in the night. I never knew what they were saying. 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:31.760 I think I thought they were always saying douche like. 0:23:31.840 --> 0:23:33.320 I didn't know what they were talking about. 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:34.240 No, no, no, no no. 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:36.640 Yeah, I didn't even know those were the same songs. 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.800 But now it all makes sense, all right? Blinded Blinded 0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.160 two thousand and seven, Season nine, episode seven. We open 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:45.520 up on one of our favorite sassy ladies in the 0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:50.320 Sview universe. Sylvia Cotter's also in the episode Contact and 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:54.280 Quickie and Contact. We just did so if you remember 0:23:54.280 --> 0:23:58.320 the old lady there, she's back here. Yeah wait in Contact, 0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:02.200 she's the one who's Is she one of the ladies 0:24:02.240 --> 0:24:04.560 on the subway or something. Isn't she the one that 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:07.680 was like for all the times I let it go, 0:24:07.800 --> 0:24:09.880 I said something and then someone else is like, yeah, 0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.880 that lady should have minded her business or no, yeah yeah, yeah, 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:15.879 yeah yeah, oh no, Or she's the lady that brings 0:24:15.920 --> 0:24:17.280 to the apart I don't know. 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:18.440 Is he here? 0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:18.920 No? 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:22.080 Wait, I think she's she walks someone into the apartment 0:24:22.920 --> 0:24:26.680 and has an attitude or maybe that's another elderly attitude woman. 0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.080 She's great, She's a great She's just a great addition 0:24:31.160 --> 0:24:34.480 to any episode. We lost her in twenty sixteen, but 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:37.040 she's was a great addition to all svus. 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:40.879 Yes, and there's a unique cop walking with her behind 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.840 them is Lush a lush plant shop Deli Vibes bores 0:24:43.920 --> 0:24:46.520 head brand glowing in the distance. You know he collies 0:24:46.560 --> 0:24:50.680 spread recently, so I hope they've gotten that back together 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.080 since then. He is not believing what she saw, and 0:24:54.119 --> 0:24:56.119 she has to remind him that she is not some 0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:57.480 senile old bitch. 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:59.400 And I think that's in quotes. 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:02.080 And but at the bus stop, she heard a voice 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.400 from a trunk yell out help me, and then either 0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:08.240 Savannah or Samantha or something. And then he goes Sabrina 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:11.440 and she goes, yes, so she's not crazy, actually, sir, 0:25:11.480 --> 0:25:13.920 and get to fucking work. So he goes to his 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:16.760 hot dog guy Sanjay and is like, what up. Did 0:25:16.760 --> 0:25:18.760 you hear something? He goes, yeah, I saw a girl. 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.000 She was there two hours of YadA YadA bus stop toad. 0:25:21.400 --> 0:25:23.880 So a car's been toad. He calls it in and 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:26.359 he's on top of it. He goes, call U, s 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:28.840 V you, there's might be like a child in the trunk. 0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.280 We find out that the cars were all in an 0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.960 impound lot. So now we're they're just checking car after 0:25:34.040 --> 0:25:37.480 car after car, and Queen's and we hear Chesterlake's voice. 0:25:37.520 --> 0:25:41.320 So that's a disappointment for this episode. And we have 0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:44.240 all hands on deck Bens and Finn's stabler Kragan. They're 0:25:44.280 --> 0:25:48.159 popping every trunk and Doyle joins them, and just so 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:52.000 many employees gadgets beeps, there's a censor, and Doyle points 0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:54.080 them into you know, the right direction. 0:25:54.280 --> 0:25:55.480 In a trunk there's a girl. 0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.840 Stabler holds her and runs off because the traffic is 0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:00.640 so insane that they're I'm not going to be able 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.159 to get an ambulance and so yeah, he's got to 0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:08.480 carry her and he runs you know off into the credits. 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:12.280 So Benson and Stabler are met with the doctor who 0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:15.280 gives scoop there's a concussion, probably hit what by a rock. 0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:18.240 We'll see when she wakes up. She has been raped, 0:26:18.280 --> 0:26:21.120 no fluids, but hair's and bruising. She is only eleven. 0:26:21.280 --> 0:26:24.440 That is not a great thing to hear, right. Doc 0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:27.200 walks off and they have to figure out what's next, 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:30.000 and Stabler suggests looking at the tapes, and Benson's like, 0:26:30.040 --> 0:26:32.200 for what we saw that she left the bookstore alone, 0:26:32.320 --> 0:26:35.320 nobody followed her. Stabler's pissed, like why the fuck did 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.840 she go out there by herself? And Benson is like, 0:26:37.880 --> 0:26:39.920 I don't know, maybe she looked for her mom. Relaxed, 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:42.640 and then Beach hits them up and is like, hey, 0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:44.840 I got a hit on the impaula. It was rented 0:26:44.880 --> 0:26:48.320 by Saul Picard at this rental car company. He's visiting 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:51.840 from Louisiana, so he's staying at some executive apartments on 0:26:51.920 --> 0:26:53.840 West seventy third Street, and he did sign a one 0:26:53.840 --> 0:26:56.760 month lease and we meet him. He has an accent 0:26:56.960 --> 0:26:59.960 a flannel and he returned the car yesterday and Stabler 0:27:00.160 --> 0:27:02.760 lets him know that, like, well, that's not what the 0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.760 rental place said. And Benson asked to pee and obviously 0:27:05.760 --> 0:27:08.320 it's a sneaky piece. She will be looking through the rooms. 0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:12.800 And then Picard is wearing suspenders and he has the 0:27:12.840 --> 0:27:15.960 release paperwork from the rental company. He returned it, so 0:27:16.000 --> 0:27:18.680 if it was stolen after that, that's not on him. 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:22.040 There's receipts. He also gives like an alibi that he 0:27:22.119 --> 0:27:24.679 came in for work. He's been going to this bodega 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.840 and yeah. Then there's like bad art on the desk 0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:31.919 and it looks like a child made it. It's an elephant. 0:27:31.960 --> 0:27:35.600 It's cute but simple. And after he sees the art, 0:27:35.640 --> 0:27:39.600 Stablers like, huh, have we met before? And the dude 0:27:39.600 --> 0:27:41.720 goes doubt it, But you know, I do come here 0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.000 for work every few months. I'm from New you know not. 0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:46.119 But he's not from New Orleans. He's from the north 0:27:46.160 --> 0:27:48.679 Shore off some lake, like a few hours away. They 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.800 kept saying the name I was. I wasn't interested, and 0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:55.479 he is also very paranoid, so he keeps being like, wait, 0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:56.399 can I see your badges? 0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:57.960 I need your badges? What are your numbers? 0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.720 And then he scoffs and he's like listen, sorry, but 0:28:00.920 --> 0:28:04.879 thanks for obliging my eccentricity. And they're like, thanks for 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:06.879 your time, and we'll figure this all out. So they 0:28:06.960 --> 0:28:10.320 leave and Picard's story checks out. He returned the car, 0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.000 but how did it end up at the bus stop? 0:28:12.040 --> 0:28:14.600 So Benson and Stablor get some coffees and start chats. 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:17.440 Stabler says they ran out of spots in the garage, 0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.600 so the attendant left the car on the street with 0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.240 the keys inside, and when he came out, it was gone. 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:26.879 And they're like, well, why not report it's stolen, and 0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.520 Benson goes he was scared of being fired, and I 0:28:29.560 --> 0:28:31.919 do believe he should be. And then they go to 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.520 the deli and it is confirmed that he's gone to 0:28:34.560 --> 0:28:37.199 the deli at least a couple dozen times over the 0:28:37.240 --> 0:28:43.320 last three days. That's too many times, Pocard. Yeah, He's 0:28:43.360 --> 0:28:43.880 like eating. 0:28:43.960 --> 0:28:47.880 He's getting all his nutrition from a bodega, which is troublesome, but. 0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:51.960 Like I understand even a sandwich a day, even too, 0:28:52.120 --> 0:28:54.640 with some snacks. Maybe he ran in for toilet paper 0:28:55.120 --> 0:29:00.960 a couple a dozen times in three days. There's got 0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.440 to be another bodigo across the street. He had an 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:07.200 inkling to try. Yeah, you're in New York City. There 0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.400 wasn't dumplings on the corner. I'm just a little bit shocked. 0:29:11.400 --> 0:29:13.760 But maybe it was just alibi related. I mean, I 0:29:13.760 --> 0:29:16.160 don't know. It seems like all his shit checks out though. 0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:19.280 He just he's from like he's got like a voice 0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:21.920 like benoel Blanc, kind of from the Glass Onion movies. 0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.880 He's like, I'm from Shreeve Paul Lasiana. Like he's like 0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:27.000 kind of one of those guys. Listen, is this dude 0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:29.920 gonna make more movies? I want more Knives Out? I'm 0:29:29.960 --> 0:29:32.600 ready for more. I'm ready for another Knives Out. I 0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:37.040 am ready. I like a lighthearted mystery. Yeah, my body 0:29:37.080 --> 0:29:39.200 is ready. I love the last one. People were shitting 0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:40.920 on it. I was like, get a life, have fun, 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:42.800 come on, I have a good time with it. Well, 0:29:42.960 --> 0:29:47.040 I think we also had I feel like I found 0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.680 extra joy because our friend works with billionaire art freaks, 0:29:50.920 --> 0:29:54.040 and so is that part of her nda. I feel 0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:59.120 like ruin her business. Her name is Sally and you'll 0:29:59.120 --> 0:30:02.920 never find her. And she went to space, all right. 0:30:03.000 --> 0:30:05.760 So this motherfucker he can't stop going to the bodega 0:30:06.640 --> 0:30:10.120 and they call him a caffeine freak and a paranoid freak, 0:30:10.200 --> 0:30:14.600 which reminds me, did you ever watch the cartoon Freakazoid? No? 0:30:14.960 --> 0:30:15.479 What is that? 0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:19.360 It was just part of the animaniacs like Pinky in 0:30:19.400 --> 0:30:22.200 the Brain Hour, Like there was just another guy named 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:26.880 freak Azoid. He doesn't This guy's kind of familiar hot, 0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:28.320 you know, kind of hot. 0:30:28.360 --> 0:30:33.400 The blue face. Steven Spielberg presents freak Azoid. That's hilarious. 0:30:33.640 --> 0:30:36.280 Steven Spielberg is so weird, Like I didn't realize he 0:30:36.360 --> 0:30:39.040 was minority report, Like he's just out there working. I 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:42.640 can't believe he did freak Azoid. Yeah, it says, that's 0:30:42.680 --> 0:30:46.280 what it says. Two seasons. Steven Spielberg presents Freakizoid. Yeah. 0:30:46.320 --> 0:30:48.080 I came out in ninety five. I think I was 0:30:48.120 --> 0:30:51.360 I missed it. I was like fifteen or fourteen, so 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:52.040 I missed it. 0:30:52.280 --> 0:30:55.040 Yeah, I don't even remember what his thing was a 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:58.840 crazy teenage superhero who fights crime good. 0:30:58.640 --> 0:30:59.760 In Washington, DC. 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:09.000 Wow. Important. But then Benson goes, this guy's dirty. His 0:31:09.120 --> 0:31:12.760 shower was bone dry, and it's like, wait, fuck, what 0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:14.920 if I showered yesterday? Like I don't like it's when 0:31:14.960 --> 0:31:17.880 they find two wine glasses and they're like, this slut. 0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:19.960 You know, I know you're jumping. 0:31:19.640 --> 0:31:22.000 The weird conclusions, like he could have showered at the 0:31:22.040 --> 0:31:26.480 gym relaxed, bone dry? Are our bones dry? Is the 0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:30.840 blood knot flowing around them? Aren't the muscles moist on 0:31:30.880 --> 0:31:31.200 the bottle? 0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:32.000 I think it. 0:31:31.880 --> 0:31:35.480 Maybe is implying like a dead body bone, like if 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:38.400 it's buried for long years, like a bone lasts for 0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:39.120 a long time. 0:31:38.960 --> 0:31:40.960 And it's dry. I don't know, got it, got it, 0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:45.000 cut it whatever? The bedroom was messy again, stop judging. 0:31:45.720 --> 0:31:47.760 But no sign that Sabrina was there, So we got 0:31:47.760 --> 0:31:48.720 to go back to the Impala. 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:49.560 That's all we got. 0:31:49.920 --> 0:31:53.120 Doyle found pollen on the driver's seat and on her clothing, 0:31:53.160 --> 0:31:55.360 and the sample is so small it could only come 0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:59.040 from close contacts. It cannot be circumstantial. And it's from 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:02.000 the south and it's from where this motherfucker's from. They 0:32:02.080 --> 0:32:04.480 had him and they let him go. They bust back 0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:07.680 into the apartment, clear, clear, clear, everything is gone. And 0:32:07.720 --> 0:32:10.360 so what they finally figure out is, oh, he returned 0:32:10.360 --> 0:32:12.800 the car, but then when he left the building he 0:32:12.880 --> 0:32:14.840 saw the key's still in the ignition. He stole the 0:32:14.880 --> 0:32:18.320 car right back. So they really screwed up the investigation. 0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:23.240 But I like this SBU moment when a guy gets 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:24.680 away with it and then they realize it was him 0:32:24.680 --> 0:32:27.000 all along. They have this a few times where they like, 0:32:27.160 --> 0:32:29.320 I like, I like this little trope. 0:32:28.960 --> 0:32:31.000 And I like when they admit that they fucked up. 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:32.640 They're like, we had him and we let him go. 0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:35.320 Like I liked when they admit their fallibility. 0:32:35.960 --> 0:32:41.800 But Craigan was He was supportive. He's not as mad 0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:45.640 as he could have been for this. He didn't yell. 0:32:45.760 --> 0:32:49.080 He was just like, you know what, no press, but 0:32:49.240 --> 0:32:53.360 DNA not in the system. And the Phibbies, which I 0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:57.360 assume is the FBI, have nothing on him. And that's 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:02.760 from Finn. Finn calls him the phibbies, and I like 0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.280 that so much. Lake comes in and is like, well, 0:33:06.360 --> 0:33:08.520 it could be his first crime, and Finn's like, no, 0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:10.720 you would commit your first crime closer to home where 0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.880 he's more comfortable, not make a huge crime trip out 0:33:13.880 --> 0:33:16.280 of it. Munch Waltz is in and says, did her 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.280 friends at the car rental mention they gave him a 0:33:18.280 --> 0:33:21.479 Blue Ford Explorer yesterday afternoon around three pm? 0:33:22.080 --> 0:33:24.320 No, they did not. What the fuck is going on? 0:33:25.160 --> 0:33:27.560 He also didn't actually check out of the apartment, and 0:33:27.600 --> 0:33:29.600 he has not bought any tickets to leave town, so 0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:33.080 he is sticking around town. Everyone's on alert. We're looking 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:35.880 for a blue Explorer. Holy shit. Benson gets a call 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:39.120 and Sabrina's awake. She needs, like, you know, a nose 0:33:39.200 --> 0:33:43.720 tube to help breathe and her around the head. Bandage 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.320 goes above the head as well. It's a little more 0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.320 aggressive than my liking. She is a very insured, full 0:33:49.360 --> 0:33:52.360 scalp head helmet and a lot of gus. But she's 0:33:52.400 --> 0:33:55.239 talking very good. So she was looking at books at 0:33:55.240 --> 0:33:59.280 this bookstore when he a card came up to her 0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.320 and was like, hey, and your mom's in danger. 0:34:01.400 --> 0:34:03.320 You gotta come for me. Your mom's waiting for you. 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:07.840 So they go outside from the coffee place bookstore situation, 0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:10.520 but she wasn't outside and then and that's why they 0:34:10.520 --> 0:34:11.920 couldn't find her on the camera. It's kind of I 0:34:11.920 --> 0:34:15.480 think it's a Barnes and Noble so part coffee part bookstore. 0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:17.920 They walk out of the coffee part. That's why it 0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:19.840 wasn't on the camera or anything like that if you 0:34:19.880 --> 0:34:23.319 were wondering. And then she gave him her address because 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:25.520 he's like, hey, I'll take you home. Your mom was hurt, 0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:28.160 but you know, and then he drove in the wrong directions. 0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:30.759 The doors were locked, and he she said, he kept 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.120 saying harke into the arc and she didn't really understand him. 0:34:34.160 --> 0:34:37.600 And Stabler gets a call. He steps out, Benson shows 0:34:38.200 --> 0:34:40.760 a bunch of mugshots. She does point out mister Picard, 0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:43.600 New Orleans, and she goes but he said his name 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:47.239 was William. Okay, So then Sabrina's like, I remember being 0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.719 at a park. I tried to run, but he kept 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.960 yelling hey he stopped Franz scene. So then Stabler enters 0:34:54.000 --> 0:34:56.440 back into and is like, Benson, come out of the 0:34:56.440 --> 0:34:58.640 hospital room. We got work to do. So Benson goes, hey, 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:02.360 little girl, you rest all you tomorrow. Dramatic music, Another 0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:04.719 fucking girl's been kidnapped. They run off her name is 0:35:04.719 --> 0:35:08.120 Eve holland she's eleven. The mom was nextra shopping for 0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:10.560 clothes and it happened back at the bookstore. So we're 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.960 at the kids section of the bookstore and the employee 0:35:13.040 --> 0:35:16.000 is sassy, emo fun like he is just like, uh huh. 0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:19.800 He looked like a freak, like I enjoy his energy. 0:35:20.280 --> 0:35:22.880 He definitely looks like he works at a bookstore and 0:35:23.080 --> 0:35:27.160 he shook but serving and this is definitely his day job, 0:35:27.200 --> 0:35:29.560 though he has a passion. He's pursuing a life in 0:35:29.560 --> 0:35:32.920 the arts or to you know, write skateboard articles. They 0:35:32.960 --> 0:35:35.400 go to the area where the girl was last scene, 0:35:35.480 --> 0:35:38.560 the little kid book area. Sailor picks up a book 0:35:38.600 --> 0:35:42.200 and it's Quintin's Quest by William S Falstaff and he goes, 0:35:42.239 --> 0:35:45.359 wait and I know this book, and the sassy employee goes, yeah, 0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.200 you and everyone else you a loser, and then boom, 0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:50.800 Benson is in. She saw on the tape pitcard escorting 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.600 Eve out of their forty five minutes ago. We have 0:35:53.680 --> 0:35:56.560 to find her. Then Sabler says, son of a bitch, 0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:59.239 and we look and he's in the book jacket Saw 0:35:59.320 --> 0:36:03.440 pocard Is William is the childbook author and rapist. So 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.080 they go back to Harken the Arc and the book 0:36:06.160 --> 0:36:09.760 is called The Secret of the Arch. So then they're like, fuck, okay, 0:36:09.800 --> 0:36:12.160 this actually pisses me off. So then Stable goes, oh, 0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:15.040 the rd Triumph in Paris, and Sandler's like, we can't. 0:36:15.239 --> 0:36:17.799 He couldn't have taken her to Paris, And Benson has 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:19.840 to be like, you dumb bitch, there's one in Washington 0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:20.520 Square Park. 0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:22.520 How does Stable or not? Yeah? 0:36:22.680 --> 0:36:25.120 Yeah, Stable doesn't know that there's an arc to Triomphe 0:36:25.200 --> 0:36:28.440 in Washington Square Park, but he does know alphabetically like 0:36:28.520 --> 0:36:30.719 every single Catholic school in all the boroughs. 0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.760 I don't buy this. I don't buy this at all. 0:36:33.800 --> 0:36:36.640 Like I just think of that arch immediate. 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:37.120 I don't know. 0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:38.880 I didn't even know it was a copy of a 0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:43.600 French one. I'll be honest. That was the Washington Square Arch. 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.120 Finn goes, you know there's a fake Leaning Tower of 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:53.480 Pisa next to Skokie. Well, that's that's not in Italy. 0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:59.759 It's by the Costco. Oh, that's that's really funny. I 0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:01.000 love to go to see that. 0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:02.759 We have to. 0:37:03.120 --> 0:37:04.560 I don't know what I'm gonna make it to Pisa, 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:06.839 but I think I'll probably be around Skokie sooner rather 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:07.279 than later. 0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:08.600 Oh is Pisa down? 0:37:09.360 --> 0:37:12.160 Yeah, he says a city in Italy. That's where the 0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:15.600 tower is. I've never been there though, I didn't know that. 0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:17.520 Oh you know that show Subway Take. I guess I 0:37:17.520 --> 0:37:19.879 shouldn't ruin it. I finally think I have a subway take. 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:22.520 You watched that internet show? 0:37:22.560 --> 0:37:24.560 Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, I've seen it. Jared was 0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:25.319 just on it right. 0:37:25.600 --> 0:37:26.680 Yeah. 0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.680 I think Crembroulet is the most overrated dessert. 0:37:31.040 --> 0:37:32.840 Oh my god, my mouth is on the floor. You 0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:36.280 guys can't, so is Casey. It's one of my faves. 0:37:36.320 --> 0:37:38.160 It's one of my faves. I love it so much. 0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:41.000 It's just like I'd rather have pudding get out of here, 0:37:41.520 --> 0:37:45.560 but with the crunchy sugary top. Oh see, that's what 0:37:45.680 --> 0:37:48.120 sells me, the pudding whatever. It's like, I'm sold on 0:37:48.160 --> 0:37:51.920 the crunchy sugar that I get to eat. Yeah, and 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:54.560 then mixed with the mush because it's like the coumbo 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:56.719 of the textures for me. But yeah, I mean that 0:37:56.880 --> 0:37:58.760 is a good take. I feel that people are gonna 0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:05.400 be people are gonna come for you. I mean, I'm shocked, 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:06.480 but I'm not mad. 0:38:06.560 --> 0:38:10.480 You know. Yeah, it's one of my nephew's favorites. 0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:12.600 I'm one of my friends just had a crumberlay donut 0:38:12.640 --> 0:38:15.440 and I was just like, oh, I love a Crumberwlay donut. 0:38:15.480 --> 0:38:17.640 Like if I see it on a menu, I'm like, yes, 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:19.120 maybe I'm getting dessert tonight. 0:38:19.320 --> 0:38:20.600 Like, and I don't always do. 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:25.640 Dessert, but what I do? I love a crumbrulet. Okay, 0:38:26.160 --> 0:38:28.560 And then but Finn is like, wait, Washington Square Park, 0:38:29.000 --> 0:38:32.319 there's nowhere to hide. And then Lake goes, wait, there's 0:38:32.360 --> 0:38:35.040 an arch in Brooklyn at Prospect Park. So they rush 0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:38.200 to the arch there and is that a fake arch? 0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:40.680 Is that a replica arch? Or is that an original arch? 0:38:41.320 --> 0:38:43.839 Which one the Grand Army Plaza? Is that what it's called, 0:38:43.880 --> 0:38:47.279 the one by the Prosa Park. I don't know if 0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:49.880 that arch is a replica. Should I look it up 0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:50.319 really quick? 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:50.600 Nah? 0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:51.359 I mean we're here. 0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:55.640 There's beautiful arches everywhere. So they rush. They're driving on 0:38:55.680 --> 0:38:57.520 the grass. They're meeting a bunch of people already on 0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:00.839 the scene, lots of manpower chopper in the air. Sabler, though, 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.239 convinces the lieutenant on duty to let him go first 0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:05.799 into the parking Woods because we don't know how this 0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.520 man operates in the commotion and big manhunt choppers might 0:39:08.560 --> 0:39:12.319 scare him off. And Lieutenant says okay, So Stabler and 0:39:12.360 --> 0:39:15.640 Benson approach with guns to the Ford Explorer. We find 0:39:15.640 --> 0:39:17.560 the girl in the back seat sleeping, and he's in 0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:21.760 the front seat sleeping. No rush, no urgency, full relaxed sleep. 0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.600 He's mumbling. Stabler tells him to shut the fuck up, 0:39:24.920 --> 0:39:28.799 then cuffs his ass outside and Benson tells talks to 0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:33.000 even the back seat, and she's being very gentle, and 0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.440 you know, the girl's like, I'm tired, and he's just mumbling, 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:40.360 blubbering away. Benson takes the girl, Stabler drags Picard and 0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:43.080 asks how he got her to fall asleep. He says, 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:46.000 Alice swallowed one of the cakes and she was delighted 0:39:46.000 --> 0:39:48.799 to find she began shrinking. So, you know, he's talking 0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:51.080 about Alice in Wonderland. And I don't know if you 0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.719 know this, but Travis Kelcey on his podcast admitted that 0:39:53.800 --> 0:39:58.400 he thought her name was Alice Wonderland. Mcke didn't realize 0:39:58.520 --> 0:40:01.560 did you think it was Alison Wonderland, Yes, that's what 0:40:01.600 --> 0:40:01.880 it was. 0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:07.440 Yes, that's so funny. Alice in Wonderland. 0:40:07.480 --> 0:40:10.880 We love that girl, Allie, Yeah, that's really funny. 0:40:11.520 --> 0:40:12.719 Yeah, she's not a princess. 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:16.200 I feel like Alice doesn't get the like respect she deserves. 0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:19.800 She traveled through realms, like I'm sorry she didn't have 0:40:19.840 --> 0:40:22.279 a crown, but we don't get as much merch for her. 0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:26.080 No, only the little weird goth girls like her. 0:40:28.440 --> 0:40:32.040 But Stabler's asking real questions and then this guy's responding 0:40:32.080 --> 0:40:35.239 with nonsense, babbel. Sabbler's trying to you know, get you know, 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:40.719 the Miranda rights out and this guy just keeps babbling politics, cars, whatever. 0:40:40.920 --> 0:40:43.800 And then a driving billboard catches his ibe. He stares 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:47.280 it down as it drives past, and it says Winter's coming. 0:40:47.440 --> 0:40:50.520 Time to escape, So it's probably vacation, but it also 0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:51.959 could be Game of Thrones. 0:40:51.640 --> 0:40:52.759 But I think this is too early. 0:40:53.640 --> 0:40:56.520 Yeah, Okay, So he takes the billboard as a personal 0:40:56.560 --> 0:40:59.839 message and he goes, ah, do I have to do it? 0:41:00.040 --> 0:41:02.400 And he's like, it's really gonna be hard, but I 0:41:02.440 --> 0:41:05.359 gotta get away, and so he had butt Stabler one 0:41:05.400 --> 0:41:10.000 of Kara's favorite scenes, and he crushes the back of 0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:13.120 his head into the back seat window glass. Everywhere he 0:41:13.200 --> 0:41:16.200 hits the crowd the ground, there is no crowd. He 0:41:16.280 --> 0:41:20.960 is not surfing on the hands of anyone. But but 0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.480 Card starts running hands tied behind his back, which I 0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:25.600 feel like is a cool exercise. I bet that like 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:28.319 really works your abs. I mean dangerous you might fall 0:41:28.320 --> 0:41:30.919 on your face. But yeah, because sometimes on the soul 0:41:30.920 --> 0:41:33.880 cycle bike, I'll put my hands behind my back during 0:41:33.960 --> 0:41:38.320 like really hard resistance to take it to the limit. 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:44.360 Just oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, interesting because you 0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:46.200 just want to like get your hand, like change your 0:41:46.200 --> 0:41:48.400 posture and like get your hands off those bars for 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:48.799 a sec. 0:41:49.200 --> 0:41:49.480 Yeah. 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:51.680 The if you stand up stating the resistance is how 0:41:51.760 --> 0:41:54.799 you feel it more in your abs. Yeah, like you 0:41:54.880 --> 0:41:58.200 have to use more stuff. And my you know you 0:41:58.280 --> 0:42:01.000 got my abs are not strong and a capacity in 0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:05.279 any way, and so that's that is far back problems 0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:06.560 and we got to keep our backs. 0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:12.839 So I also have I mean weak abs. I got all. 0:42:14.480 --> 0:42:16.520 But I knew a girl who got injured because she 0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:19.000 only did abs like a llah Britney spears in high 0:42:19.040 --> 0:42:20.960 school and then she injured her back because all of 0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:23.440 our abs were so Britney speared out, but no one 0:42:23.520 --> 0:42:29.680 was focusing on their back eow. I never knew about that. Yeah, so, 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:34.640 and I barely do anything else, so I tried to smart. 0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.400 I'm learning. I am really learning a lot. I did 0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:40.160 not understand. I did go to school for a few 0:42:40.200 --> 0:42:41.800 semesters to be a PE teacher. 0:42:42.000 --> 0:42:44.640 So that's just something we got, you know, physiology. 0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:48.399 Yeah, when we were in Palm Springs, it came out 0:42:48.400 --> 0:42:51.080 that I was like a PE major, and one of 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.120 the people there was like, we could tell with your 0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.400 skills playing five hundred that we were born to be 0:42:56.440 --> 0:43:00.640 a gym teacher. You know. I left scraped my legs 0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:02.800 look like I was in recess. I have like bloody 0:43:02.800 --> 0:43:05.560 marks all over my legs. They're so bruised up from 0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:08.359 that weekend from climbing in and out of the hot 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:13.320 tub on those rocks. Oh yeah, And I was playing 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:15.719 monkey in the middle and I had to rush out 0:43:15.719 --> 0:43:17.240 of the pool and I was actually proud of myself. 0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:17.640 I could. 0:43:18.040 --> 0:43:19.880 I didn't know I was physically capable of it, but 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:22.560 I pushed myself fully out in one thing and put 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:23.799 my leg out to try to win. 0:43:24.960 --> 0:43:25.520 Wow. 0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:29.160 Yeah, everyone was shocked late so beat me, but like 0:43:29.239 --> 0:43:32.719 I pulled myself out in one swoop and not even 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:35.520 my knee. I put my full foot like. I was like, wait, 0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.480 it was exciting. That's a really exciting movie moment. I 0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:41.960 could not do that. Yeah, I didn't think I could either. 0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.600 I bet if you because you're competitive, I bet if 0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:46.040 you were in the game, you would do. 0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:48.439 If it was achieve a greater good. Yeah I might. 0:43:48.560 --> 0:43:50.840 I might, yeah, for the glory. 0:43:51.239 --> 0:43:53.080 But also while we were in the pool, every time 0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:56.200 I would stand somewhere, I'd be like, oh, let's oh 0:43:56.400 --> 0:43:58.560 two monkeys or a monkey, and someone was like, do 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:03.520 you only see people as monkey? Stop it, We're not monkeys. 0:44:03.560 --> 0:44:06.160 We're just standing here, and be like I'll be the monkey. 0:44:06.200 --> 0:44:10.879 They're like, we're not even playing this, but we both 0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:16.400 like games, so yeah, it makes sense, all right? 0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:16.959 All right. 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.719 So basically, the guy gets the message, she goes, do 0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.120 I have to do it? It's gonna be hard. He 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:26.360 crashes into Stablers. Stabler's hurt, and Pocard is off running. 0:44:26.719 --> 0:44:29.120 He then runs with his hands tied behind his back, 0:44:29.160 --> 0:44:33.000 which to me is tough tough, so he doesn't get far. 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:35.719 He does get caught, apprehended, and then they bring him 0:44:35.760 --> 0:44:38.919 to the hospital because he is fucked up. Benson runs 0:44:39.000 --> 0:44:41.399 to help Elliot. She cradles him and says, you're gonna 0:44:41.440 --> 0:44:44.359 be okay. He has limp and lifeless in her arms. 0:44:44.360 --> 0:44:46.359 He wakes up with nose tubes. A lot of nose 0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:47.800 tubes in this episode, if you want to do a 0:44:47.880 --> 0:44:51.920 drinking game. Kathy screams he's awake. Benson runs in Welcome 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:54.839 Back al and he says, what's going on? And there's 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.359 bruises around his eyes. He can't see where Benson is. 0:44:57.440 --> 0:45:00.919 Kathy looks worried. He then he's panicering it's all a blur. 0:45:01.000 --> 0:45:04.440 I can't see, I can't see. He grabs her hand, 0:45:04.640 --> 0:45:07.640 wife or partner, We don't know, I wrote her. So 0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:09.960 he starts sits here up and think about his future 0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.600 blind life, and Benson tears up thinking about it too. 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:16.120 So now it's the doctor presentation time. He hit his 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.960 head so hard that his head bounced in a like 0:45:19.040 --> 0:45:21.960 in the skull front and back. Contusions and bruises and 0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:25.839 mostly occipital lobe damage and that's where the eye sight is. 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:28.360 And it's not uncommon with an injury like this for 0:45:28.400 --> 0:45:31.360 there to be temporary blindness. She says, do not panic. 0:45:31.480 --> 0:45:34.560 Hopefully a couple of days. Uh oh, Finn is there. 0:45:34.600 --> 0:45:38.040 There is a problem in Pricard's room. Kraigan goes running 0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:43.080 over there, while Benson is like, hey, you said should return. 0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:44.720 Is there a chance it won't? 0:45:45.040 --> 0:45:47.360 And the doc is like, listen, hopefully it'll be chill, 0:45:47.400 --> 0:45:49.880 but we'll know in a few days, like I'm not 0:45:50.080 --> 0:45:50.920 a magician. 0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:53.120 And then what do we have in Picard's room? 0:45:53.360 --> 0:45:57.480 Special Agent Wayne Nelson And he looks like Gronk's uncle 0:45:58.120 --> 0:46:02.200 and he's trying to take over, and Craigan says, hell, no, bitch, 0:46:02.239 --> 0:46:05.200 and Finn looks menacing behind him, and the FBI guy 0:46:05.480 --> 0:46:09.240 is like, he moved between state lions, from Mississippi to Louisiana. 0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:12.200 He kidnapped a girl in Mississippi, raped hero in Louisiana, 0:46:12.239 --> 0:46:13.440 and left her there to die. 0:46:13.560 --> 0:46:14.879 We will be taking him. 0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:18.000 They're swabbing him in the background, hoping all the DNA matches, 0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:20.920 and we cut to Munch giving a report. So the 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:25.120 girl from Mississippi, Tiffany La March, nine years old. Fuck 0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.399 so this only happened a week ago. She was found 0:46:28.480 --> 0:46:31.480 four days ago, barely alive. So then dian neil Waltz 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:33.560 is in with a giant brown belt on top of 0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:35.680 a white button down shirt. It is not holding any 0:46:35.719 --> 0:46:38.280 pant up. This is a fashion belt of the times 0:46:38.360 --> 0:46:39.840 if I've ever seen one. 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:43.480 You're actually dressed like her right now? 0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:44.440 Really? 0:46:45.080 --> 0:46:45.279 Yes? 0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:46.959 Oh it's great. 0:46:47.000 --> 0:46:48.960 It looked white and she was wearing a brown sweater 0:46:49.000 --> 0:46:50.600 with the brown belt. But then the waves, you know, 0:46:50.640 --> 0:46:53.840 you both have like similar oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:46:53.880 --> 0:46:58.560 but of course hers were colorly challenged. And they're charging 0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:03.040 per card with interstate kit, you know. And then it's like, wait, 0:47:03.040 --> 0:47:06.680 but who called the feds? Nobody knows. They're blaming each other. 0:47:06.840 --> 0:47:09.960 You did it, No you didn't, but fuck that. We 0:47:09.719 --> 0:47:12.160 didn't know how to get him back. So they don't 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.480 know how to get him back. But what the the 0:47:14.560 --> 0:47:17.840 FBI is doing. They're dropping the Mississi Mississippi charges of 0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:21.680 kidnapping to charge him with rape in Louisiana because there, 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:23.760 if you rape a child under twelve, that's a capital 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.240 crime and he would get the death penalty and be murdered. 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:31.440 And so she's chatting with Murdoch Dianiel Casey Novak, and 0:47:31.520 --> 0:47:34.320 Casey's passionate and she's just like not into. 0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:34.920 The death penalty. 0:47:35.280 --> 0:47:37.640 She's sick of the FBI trying to push their identity 0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:40.720 or agenda, not their identity. 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.280 I'm sick of the FBI, and they're pronouns. 0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:48.760 Okay, so these phibbies, these hib beats, And he's like, baby, 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.000 take it easy, this is great. The Feds can take it. 0:47:51.040 --> 0:47:53.960 But a being bought a boom. But he doesn't get it, 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:57.080 and she doesn't want them abusing their power. And she 0:47:57.320 --> 0:47:59.960 doesn't have illegal standing to stop him, but he does 0:48:00.239 --> 0:48:03.359 as Card's attorney, since they want to extradite him under 0:48:03.400 --> 0:48:06.920 the table and that's violation of due process. And they 0:48:06.960 --> 0:48:09.719 both scurry like little guys excited to fuck things up 0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:10.919 when have fun with the law. 0:48:11.520 --> 0:48:13.480 They both have the same passion, I would say. 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:17.560 And she wants Huang to evaluate him, and he's down, 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:21.280 and so let's get Huong time. Why did you attack Stabler? 0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:23.680 He brings up the sign and bad He's like, yeah, 0:48:23.719 --> 0:48:25.600 but a lot of people see that sign. And he's like, yeah, 0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:27.279 but I knew the message was for me. I see 0:48:27.280 --> 0:48:29.799 a lot of messages. The lighting is so damn dark, 0:48:29.800 --> 0:48:32.040 and this scene in the jail, it needs to screw 0:48:32.080 --> 0:48:34.480 on any light bulb. They've got a candle burning in 0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:35.480 the corner it's wild. 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:36.239 Yeah. 0:48:36.320 --> 0:48:38.759 He mentions France and his sister, and that's who's sending 0:48:38.800 --> 0:48:42.400 him messages because those boys raped her. Obviously, there's dramatic 0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:45.359 music and he starts expeliating his past. He came home 0:48:45.360 --> 0:48:48.520 from school one day and he heard them upstairs. They 0:48:48.560 --> 0:48:51.400 looked crazed. I mean, he looks crazy to explaining it. 0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:54.320 The boys also looks crazed because they were taking turns 0:48:54.320 --> 0:48:57.359 on her. He was crying, she was screaming for help, 0:48:57.360 --> 0:48:59.560 but he did nothing. He froze, he couldn't move. He 0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:02.160 doesn't get why they did that. She was only eleven 0:49:02.200 --> 0:49:04.560 and he was seventeen. And he was never the same 0:49:04.600 --> 0:49:07.120 after that, and that was his first psychotic break. He 0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.600 then went on meds, but they stopped working last year 0:49:09.680 --> 0:49:13.200 after Franccene died and he started seeing those boys again. 0:49:13.280 --> 0:49:16.400 In the bookstore in Gulf Court, he saw Franccene and 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.680 she was in the store reading the you know, his book, 0:49:18.719 --> 0:49:21.680 and those boys gathered around her. She was in danger, 0:49:21.760 --> 0:49:24.319 so he took her somewhere safe. But they found him, 0:49:24.360 --> 0:49:26.680 he says, and he's like two of them held me down. 0:49:26.719 --> 0:49:29.319 One raped her and he couldn't do anything. But then 0:49:29.320 --> 0:49:31.800 he set a trap and took Francene to New York 0:49:32.200 --> 0:49:33.920 and you know they would follow him. 0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:36.040 And after luring them to the arc, and this time 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:36.719 they came. 0:49:36.880 --> 0:49:39.160 When they came to rape her, he was ready and 0:49:39.200 --> 0:49:41.680 I beat them with rocks, he said, and then you 0:49:41.680 --> 0:49:44.960 know they ran. He's acting like a tough guy and 0:49:45.000 --> 0:49:47.520 he nods and goes, yeah, and I saved fran scene 0:49:47.680 --> 0:49:49.919 and I made things right, so we got a lot 0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:52.440 on her hands. Bead Wong is now pouring coffee, being like, 0:49:53.040 --> 0:49:55.879 this is not a peedo. This is a schizo. And 0:49:56.680 --> 0:49:58.640 you know, I don't know if he said that or 0:49:58.680 --> 0:50:02.279 I said that. Okay, So he kidnapped them because he 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:05.440 thinks they are Francine And Casey's like, okay, and will 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.520 he realize that you know that he's the one who 0:50:07.520 --> 0:50:10.400 did it. B. D Wong's like, it's possible, but he 0:50:10.520 --> 0:50:12.120 might not. In case He's like, well, we have to 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:14.920 figure it out and wait till the meds, you know, 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.839 kick in to figure shit out. And B. D Wong 0:50:17.920 --> 0:50:19.880 is like the death of his sister might have fucked 0:50:19.880 --> 0:50:21.640 it all up and the meds would never work again. 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:23.160 And Casey's like, wait, are you telling me that he's 0:50:23.160 --> 0:50:24.480 not going to be able to stand trial, and B D. 0:50:24.560 --> 0:50:27.600 Wong is like, wait, hold up, you're actually considering putting 0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:30.080 him through one and she goes yeah, fuck yes, and 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:32.120 he's like no, he thinks he saved her and he 0:50:32.160 --> 0:50:33.320 belongs in a hospital. 0:50:33.520 --> 0:50:35.160 This is a very complicated episode. 0:50:35.480 --> 0:50:38.560 Casey said, I will take that into consideration, but he pleads, 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:42.000 like putting him in prison is as bad as you know, 0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:47.000 being executed, and you know he is sick. So you know, 0:50:47.120 --> 0:50:49.840 I disagree with Wong. I disagree it's too many victims. 0:50:49.880 --> 0:50:53.480 I'm sorry, like the children deserve justice, but what is justice. 0:50:54.320 --> 0:51:00.239 It's it's very complicated. I need a break to think. No, 0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:03.279 so okay, and I'm done. Okay, So Casey's only barely listen. 0:51:03.360 --> 0:51:05.400 Oh Casey, look you know what, Casey, I have a 0:51:05.440 --> 0:51:07.560 compliment for you. I was watching Nodding Hill on a 0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:10.240 plane and I think you give off Hugh Grant vibes. 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:14.520 You've got that before? Have I told him that before? 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:15.279 No? 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:16.920 No, I just said, I bet he's gotten it before. 0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:18.560 Oh you know, I used to get that. 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:20.839 I feel like that was a very common thing for 0:51:20.920 --> 0:51:23.520 like my friend's moms to tell me when I was 0:51:23.520 --> 0:51:23.960 like twelve. 0:51:24.040 --> 0:51:28.759 Yeah, yeah, yeah, ew, those moms are creeps. Those moms 0:51:28.840 --> 0:51:30.040 were like, Hi, Casey. 0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:34.280 Yeah, come in for a cookie, Hugh Grant Junior. 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:37.960 I don't know why I'm making I'm acting like I 0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:40.480 am part of the problem. I'm making fun of Casey 0:51:40.560 --> 0:51:42.680 right now, being like, it's funny if old moms hit 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:44.160 on you. It's not funny if dads do that to 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.800 little girls. But I'm here being part of the problem 0:51:46.840 --> 0:51:48.799 that it's funny for a little pervy mom to be. 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:52.239 Hitting on Casey. I stand correct, and I'm calling myself out. 0:51:52.600 --> 0:51:55.240 I know when I throw that Casey. But I'm also 0:51:55.320 --> 0:51:58.400 imagining Casey dressed as a little Hugh Grant, you know, 0:51:58.680 --> 0:52:03.839 like there's a pressure certainly well, and just stumbling through 0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:04.240 his words. 0:52:04.400 --> 0:52:04.920 Yeah. 0:52:05.000 --> 0:52:07.799 So, but Casey's only barely listening to Bedie Wong on 0:52:07.840 --> 0:52:11.240 her flip phone because she's finding out that the Feds 0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:13.839 actually we're like, fine, take him, I don't give a fuck. 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:17.040 So Bdi Wong is like, okay, but even if the 0:52:17.040 --> 0:52:19.520 federal charges are dropped, Louisiana is still going to try 0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:23.239 to get him in New York. And she's just like, fuck, Louisiana, 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:27.680 I want to dance. So then my favorite transition is like, 0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:31.319 so she does we all conference, you know what I mean. 0:52:31.520 --> 0:52:34.000 She's trying to get the media circus going. She's trying 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:38.600 to get get a bunch of stuff. So it's like paparazzi. 0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:41.640 What's it not paparazzi. It's the news. It's the news. 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:47.000 The press, yeah, the press, full court press. And it's 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:49.160 one of my favorite transitions where she's doing the interview 0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.480 on the TV screen and then it like pops up 0:52:51.520 --> 0:52:54.160 and people are watching the TV and who's watching it? 0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:58.240 Casey alone in her office. She's just watching herself alone 0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:01.799 on the news. So old man Murdoch catches her and 0:53:01.800 --> 0:53:05.160 they start playing some law games. Louisiana is already playing games. 0:53:05.239 --> 0:53:07.600 Everyone wants him, doesn't want him all at once, but 0:53:08.080 --> 0:53:10.560 they won't. You know what's gonna happen is Saul Picard. 0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:16.719 But basically Saul wants to talk to Casey and she obliges, 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:20.360 of course, so buzz and we're at Rikers. The buzz 0:53:20.440 --> 0:53:23.160 is the opening of the the jail cell if you 0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:27.160 were confused, and he is sad and looks like, you know, 0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:30.799 nothing left in his head. The medication's working and he's 0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:33.360 beginning to understand what he did, and he wants to 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:35.200 stay sorry to the girls, and he wants to be 0:53:35.239 --> 0:53:38.440 sent to Louisiana because he wants the death penalty. I 0:53:38.520 --> 0:53:42.560 don't deserve to live, don't you understand? And she gets it, 0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:47.200 but he's like, if my death stops one pervert to 0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:49.600 not do what I did to those girls, it's worth it. 0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:51.359 Both lawyers don't know what to do. 0:53:51.880 --> 0:53:55.680 Diane Neil is really acting here, and so now the 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:58.160 lawyers are fighting. Murdock's like, you can't put him on trial, 0:53:58.160 --> 0:54:01.959 and Casey goes, I don't have a and just because 0:54:01.960 --> 0:54:05.000 he SKITZO doesn't mean he can't stand trial. And he's like, 0:54:05.160 --> 0:54:08.120 Saul is crazy, and she goes, then go file a 0:54:08.200 --> 0:54:11.200 seven thirty hearing the lawyer can't. Murdoch can't do it 0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:13.200 because Picard won't let him and he has to abide 0:54:13.200 --> 0:54:16.239 by his client's wishes. But she doesn't have to, so like, 0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.680 you file the seven thirty. And so she's like, oh, 0:54:18.680 --> 0:54:20.200 now you need a favor, and it's like, yes, you're 0:54:20.200 --> 0:54:22.960 all doing each other's jobs, and go do it. So 0:54:23.200 --> 0:54:25.759 she wants him charged, Murdoch says, then have him plead 0:54:25.760 --> 0:54:28.120 guilty and then he'll just go to a menstal institution. 0:54:28.600 --> 0:54:31.000 And she's like, you think Jack McCoy is gonna let 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.960 me get away with this, You're crazy. So he questions 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.040 her integrity and her boss and she should do the 0:54:36.080 --> 0:54:38.040 right thing, and she gets right in his face, you 0:54:38.080 --> 0:54:40.680 want to talk about the right thing. Saltpacard raped an 0:54:40.719 --> 0:54:43.240 eleven year old girl and beat her within an inch 0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:46.440 of her life. So Murdoch goes no, and points to 0:54:46.520 --> 0:54:49.200 Song goes that's Salpicard. That's not the same man who 0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:51.960 rapes Sabrina Farber in case. He takes a deep breath 0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:54.640 and walks off. So we're back at the squadroom. Chester 0:54:54.760 --> 0:54:56.560 Lake is like, I mean, that is a good point. 0:54:56.800 --> 0:54:58.839 You know, the fairy tales in his head hurt the girl, 0:54:59.000 --> 0:55:00.840 not him. And I don't know if he's being sarcastic 0:55:00.920 --> 0:55:06.200 or not here because he's a bad actor. But but 0:55:06.280 --> 0:55:08.600 Finn jumps in and if he was on his meds, 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:11.239 he wouldn't have done that, and then Beach is like, yeah, 0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:13.240 but he doesn't know that he's not taking his meds. 0:55:13.440 --> 0:55:15.680 And then Finn is like, well then we force feed 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:16.120 the meds. 0:55:16.160 --> 0:55:19.040 I don't give a fuck, like Finn gets very dictatorship 0:55:19.280 --> 0:55:23.479 like vibes. He's just like, take the pedophiles and force 0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:25.360 feed them pills and cut off their dicks. 0:55:26.160 --> 0:55:28.160 But this is like so many cases they've done on 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.399 this show, like the woman who has the tumor that's 0:55:30.440 --> 0:55:32.799 making her of sex with like a twelve year old boy, 0:55:33.080 --> 0:55:37.160 like the the guy who's got syphilis untreated and it 0:55:37.239 --> 0:55:40.640 turns him into a murderer. Like all these things are like, well, 0:55:40.680 --> 0:55:43.920 when they take their meds, they're just normal law biding citizens, 0:55:44.160 --> 0:55:47.440 and when they don't, they're murderous monsters. 0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:49.400 So I don't know what, I don't know. 0:55:49.520 --> 0:55:52.120 Yeah, it's it's it is that s Few loves to 0:55:52.160 --> 0:55:54.040 present you with this conundrum. 0:55:54.600 --> 0:55:58.960 Yeah yeah, And and they're never consistent with the results, 0:55:59.280 --> 0:56:03.399 Like you know, the detective's opinions aren't consistent, the law 0:56:03.480 --> 0:56:05.720 is not consistent, like they just do whatever. 0:56:06.520 --> 0:56:09.280 You know, he was drunk, he can't be charged. 0:56:09.360 --> 0:56:12.000 He was drunk charge him, so we know, you know, 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.600 we never know blah blah blah blah bah. Benson asks 0:56:14.600 --> 0:56:16.960 if Casey, if she can prove this in court and 0:56:17.000 --> 0:56:18.680 get him, and she goes, if I put Sabrina on 0:56:18.680 --> 0:56:22.120 this sweetness stand that's all I need. And she's like, 0:56:22.480 --> 0:56:25.040 but do we let Louisiana take him or not? And 0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:27.239 she's like, they all argue about the death penalty and 0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:30.480 it's all on Casey and she wants Elliott on the stand. 0:56:30.520 --> 0:56:32.359 She thinks that's gonna help to show what he could 0:56:32.400 --> 0:56:34.719 do to Elliott, to prove that he is dangerous. And 0:56:34.760 --> 0:56:36.759 Benson goes, no, he can't leave his house until his 0:56:36.840 --> 0:56:38.320 vision's back, doctor's orders. 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:40.280 Casey goes no, yes to up here in court. 0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:42.840 Benson stands up from her desk and goes, okay, Casey, 0:56:43.200 --> 0:56:46.840 we can't stress him out, you know, being chill helps recovery. 0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:49.040 And it gets spicy, and Casey goes, okay, I'll go 0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:53.000 talk to him myself, and Benson screams leave him alone, Casey, 0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:57.360 and she goes, I can't and scurries out. Knock, knock, knock. 0:56:57.360 --> 0:56:59.160 He opens the door. He's bruised up. He's in a 0:56:59.160 --> 0:57:02.080 gray T shirt. He look even though he's bruised. Casey 0:57:02.160 --> 0:57:04.719 walks in. She wants to drag him to court. He chuckles. 0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:07.280 Benson already gave him a heads up that she's coming. 0:57:07.360 --> 0:57:09.560 He says, I'm a big boy and he's about to 0:57:09.600 --> 0:57:11.200 have a child in a month and not being able 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:12.719 to see that child terrified me. 0:57:13.080 --> 0:57:15.840 So Picard bring him on. It's personal. 0:57:16.360 --> 0:57:18.680 So we're in court, Stabler's giving a blow by blow 0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:21.200 of the head butt. He does a dramatic taking out 0:57:21.280 --> 0:57:24.400 of glasses to point to Pocard and then puts the 0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:26.800 glasses away really fast. I'm like, just keep the glasses on, 0:57:26.920 --> 0:57:29.480 but maybe it's too much pressure on the eyes. But 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:32.240 he does consider him dangerous. So now dramatic music plays 0:57:32.560 --> 0:57:35.320 and she is actually using him fuck Casey Novak. So 0:57:36.080 --> 0:57:38.800 she's like, he saw the sign that Picard made him, 0:57:38.840 --> 0:57:42.040 you know, distraught, and in his experience as a cop, 0:57:42.400 --> 0:57:45.280 does how he act after he saw the sign qualify 0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:49.160 as EDP? And Stabler gives her a nasty look like 0:57:49.720 --> 0:57:52.920 he hates this bitch, and she makes him explain what 0:57:52.960 --> 0:57:56.640 an EDP is because he says yeah, and then it's 0:57:56.800 --> 0:58:00.320 he goes it's an emotionally disturbed person and this is 0:58:00.360 --> 0:58:03.000 a fucking twist. So then she gets loud an type 0:58:03.040 --> 0:58:05.840 of card. Did he utter the name fran scene No? 0:58:06.360 --> 0:58:09.320 Did he mention when whenness sing his sister or is rape? 0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:09.520 No? 0:58:10.040 --> 0:58:11.840 Did he say it was his fault? No? 0:58:12.240 --> 0:58:15.760 And he goes, and then Picard goes off and goes, 0:58:15.760 --> 0:58:18.959 why should I, Why should I trust God? You made 0:58:18.960 --> 0:58:21.800 me rape those girls. He's yelling up to franccene in 0:58:21.840 --> 0:58:24.960 the sky stop testing me. Fran scene and screams at 0:58:24.960 --> 0:58:26.800 the core. He's crying and being dragged out of the 0:58:26.840 --> 0:58:30.840 courtroom and obviously it's a mistrial. Benson has pissed, and 0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:34.120 then the sassy judge says, hey, before this freak show 0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:38.120 comes up again. He warns Novak and goes, you better 0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:41.600 do a fucking seven thirty hearing and to see if 0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:44.200 he can even stand trial. And Stabler walks off and 0:58:44.280 --> 0:58:45.840 yells at her and goes, what was that And she 0:58:45.880 --> 0:58:48.720 denies doing anything except her job, and he knows she 0:58:48.840 --> 0:58:51.080 never wanted to try that guy, and that's the whole 0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:53.480 fucking point, and he goes, cut the crap you used me. 0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:56.040 He falls over, Benson catches him. 0:58:56.080 --> 0:58:59.600 She gives a death stare to Novak, and Novak's maybe 0:58:59.600 --> 0:59:02.280 having a but like can't identify it, but she does 0:59:02.280 --> 0:59:06.080 feel bad for using her friends to get like a 0:59:06.160 --> 0:59:10.560 mistrial for a rapist. So then she's in her office 0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:12.880 hanging up the phone and Benson blazes in you proud 0:59:12.880 --> 0:59:16.480 of yourself And then she and then Benson opens Casey's 0:59:16.520 --> 0:59:18.680 desk stower and pulls out a photo and goes, where 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:21.800 is he? Huh, where's your schizoex boyfriend? Is he locked 0:59:21.880 --> 0:59:24.880 up somewhere? And she says, get out of my office, 0:59:25.200 --> 0:59:27.440 and then Benson goes, you take that case on purpose. 0:59:27.480 --> 0:59:30.560 He deserves to be punished, and she then is like, 0:59:30.600 --> 0:59:33.200 punished for the rapes or for what he did to Elliott. 0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:36.200 She says, you manipulated me and Elliott to satisfy your 0:59:36.200 --> 0:59:39.120 own agenda. And Casey's like, okay, and then did you 0:59:39.240 --> 0:59:41.360 leak that we caught Picard? Did you go back to 0:59:41.400 --> 0:59:43.640 the Feds? How did you figure that out? She goes, oh, 0:59:43.680 --> 0:59:46.080 you damn right, I told the Feds. She goes, I 0:59:46.120 --> 0:59:48.360 want justice, and Casey goes, you don't want justice, you 0:59:48.400 --> 0:59:51.760 want revenge. And she says, it's my case and how 0:59:51.800 --> 0:59:53.880 I handle it it's none of your damn business because 0:59:53.960 --> 0:59:55.840 I don't answer to you, well you know who she 0:59:55.880 --> 0:59:56.680 does answer. 0:59:56.440 --> 0:59:59.640 To, Jack McCoy. But don't you think that. 0:59:59.440 --> 1:00:02.360 That's also kind of not an Olivia move, that Olivia 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:05.960 would go behind her back and have this guy extradited 1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:07.760 to Louisiana to be executed. 1:00:08.360 --> 1:00:12.800 That just doesn't really feel like Olivia. Like Olivia's style. 1:00:12.680 --> 1:00:14.680 No, but they love to show how they fuck up 1:00:14.720 --> 1:00:17.440 to protect each other, you know, like yeah with that, So. 1:00:17.440 --> 1:00:19.040 Why does she think She's like I wanted justice for 1:00:19.120 --> 1:00:20.440 these girls? Like why do you think these girls aren 1:00:20.480 --> 1:00:22.400 going to get justice in New York at that point, 1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:25.760 at the point that you phoned the Feds, like you 1:00:25.800 --> 1:00:28.720 didn't know she wasn't gonna get justice. Nothing had happened yet, 1:00:28.960 --> 1:00:31.920 you know, It's true, feels like a weird Olivia move, 1:00:32.000 --> 1:00:36.080 just pointing that out, Yeah, because she never likes the fhibbies. Yeah, 1:00:36.560 --> 1:00:38.840 And it's like, I don't think of Olivia as I 1:00:38.920 --> 1:00:42.480 think that's something Stabler would do, you know, be like 1:00:42.520 --> 1:00:44.480 get her down of the South Frya's ass. I could 1:00:44.480 --> 1:00:46.680 see Stabler doing that. I don't see Benson doing that, 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:51.439 but you know whatever. And guess who I love seeing 1:00:51.520 --> 1:00:52.600 Jack McCoy, I really do. 1:00:52.760 --> 1:00:57.640 I love and he's it made me want to visit 1:00:57.720 --> 1:01:02.040 the original, Like he's dynamic, he's so good. Yeah, and 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:04.840 he is not happy that she changed the case and 1:01:04.880 --> 1:01:07.120 acted like his defense attorney. She goes, he goes the 1:01:07.200 --> 1:01:10.600 judge called me and he hands her a paper. She's like, 1:01:10.640 --> 1:01:13.479 who gave this? And she asks who gave this to him? 1:01:13.720 --> 1:01:16.160 And he says, who gives a shit? Five years ago, 1:01:16.240 --> 1:01:18.720 cops responded to a disturbance call in your apartment, and 1:01:18.760 --> 1:01:21.440 you told them it was a mistake. But that wasn't true, 1:01:21.720 --> 1:01:24.600 was it, Casey? And she says, yeah, my fiancee, Charlie 1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:27.320 attacked me when he was off his meds. They wanted 1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:30.240 to arrest him, but she wanted to help him, so 1:01:30.680 --> 1:01:33.080 she identified herself as an eighty eight and begged them 1:01:33.120 --> 1:01:36.000 not to take him in. And he goes, you abuse 1:01:36.080 --> 1:01:39.520 your authority of the office for personal reasons, then, like 1:01:39.600 --> 1:01:43.120 you are now and he and she goes, well, I'm 1:01:43.760 --> 1:01:47.240 she goes sick people like saulpi Cards shouldn't be put 1:01:47.280 --> 1:01:49.800 to death and he says yeah, that's why he has 1:01:49.800 --> 1:01:53.640 a defense attorney. And she is She's like, listen, I'm 1:01:53.680 --> 1:01:55.840 pro hospital. I don't give a I don't give a fuck. 1:01:56.520 --> 1:01:58.560 But she's in trouble and he says you better behave 1:01:58.640 --> 1:02:00.560 yourself and you don't and if you don't, not only 1:02:00.600 --> 1:02:02.760 will I fire you, I'll make sure the bar yankster 1:02:02.920 --> 1:02:05.680 license and she looks sad. She tears up and walks 1:02:05.720 --> 1:02:08.520 off Benson's porn coffee is late at night, and Novak 1:02:08.640 --> 1:02:10.520 rushes in, why did you rap me out to the 1:02:10.640 --> 1:02:13.760 DA and Benson goes, because you threw the case and 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:16.160 she says she didn't have a choice after you told 1:02:16.200 --> 1:02:16.360 you know. 1:02:16.440 --> 1:02:17.720 She goes, I didn't have a choice. 1:02:17.480 --> 1:02:19.720 After you told the FEDS, and Benson goes, look, I'm 1:02:19.720 --> 1:02:23.360 as guilty as you are. I did want revenge for Elliot. 1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:25.400 He will be back to work next week though, yay, 1:02:25.560 --> 1:02:28.800 and Picard has been ruled incompetent and so Louisiana can't 1:02:28.800 --> 1:02:32.000 touch him. Benson asks, do you think he can get better? 1:02:32.040 --> 1:02:33.720 And she goes, I don't know. I thought Charlie would 1:02:33.720 --> 1:02:36.240 get better. Then she gets a call from the Morgue 1:02:36.240 --> 1:02:38.720 six months ago a John Doe clipped by a cab 1:02:39.080 --> 1:02:42.200 no id but her business card inside and it was Charlie. 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:46.760 She tears up and she goes, you know, maybe he'd 1:02:46.760 --> 1:02:49.040 be alive if I didn't give up on him and 1:02:49.040 --> 1:02:51.120 didn't make him leave, and Benson lets her know that 1:02:51.640 --> 1:02:55.600 she had to save herself. Beep got a text Picard 1:02:56.200 --> 1:02:57.600 made a news out of his shirt and tried to 1:02:57.600 --> 1:03:00.640 hang himself and lock up, so they both breathed deep 1:03:01.000 --> 1:03:03.000 and we go to the New York State Hospital. 1:03:03.480 --> 1:03:04.480 Casey meets Picard. 1:03:05.080 --> 1:03:07.880 She's in her blue Dunam off hours look and he goes, 1:03:07.920 --> 1:03:09.400 why are you here? And she says I heard you 1:03:09.440 --> 1:03:12.200 tried to hurt yourself. He says, I'm not crazy. I'm 1:03:12.200 --> 1:03:14.080 on my meds. And she's like, well, that's good, and 1:03:14.080 --> 1:03:16.000 he goes, no, I want to die. You should have 1:03:16.080 --> 1:03:18.640 left them execute me. I'd rather be dead than live 1:03:18.680 --> 1:03:21.320 with what I've done. Every day he gets a little better, 1:03:21.480 --> 1:03:24.000 and and the better he gets, the worse he feels 1:03:24.040 --> 1:03:25.720 about what he did those to those girls. 1:03:26.120 --> 1:03:28.720 Maybe that is justice, she says. 1:03:28.760 --> 1:03:31.240 Maybe you will forgive yourself one day when you realize 1:03:31.240 --> 1:03:36.120 it wasn't your fault. And that is that. Wow, that 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:37.760 is that because it's like, if I was a parent 1:03:37.800 --> 1:03:39.080 of one of those girls, I'd be like, are you 1:03:39.120 --> 1:03:41.320 out of your fucking minds? Because I was like, yeah, 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:45.920 but the monogamy episode, that guy getting fucking for in 1:03:45.960 --> 1:03:48.560 the mental institution too, Like I don't I don't know, 1:03:49.320 --> 1:03:49.920 I don't love it. 1:03:50.400 --> 1:03:52.320 Yeah, I don't know though. 1:03:52.360 --> 1:03:56.320 If he's diagnosed schizophrenice for Annia like that's that's serious. 1:03:56.400 --> 1:04:01.480 I don't know, like, ugh, ye, I don't know. A mess, 1:04:01.560 --> 1:04:04.880 A mess, all right. Well, lead us into the darkness, baby, 1:04:05.120 --> 1:04:07.520 let's move into the darkness. Head towards the dark. 1:04:15.280 --> 1:04:15.640 I guess. 1:04:15.680 --> 1:04:17.880 One of the things this episode is based on are 1:04:18.080 --> 1:04:22.560 like a trend of convicted felons like wanting to be 1:04:22.600 --> 1:04:24.520 put to death, like being like, go ahead, give me 1:04:24.560 --> 1:04:28.040 the death penalty. And one of them was a Robert 1:04:28.080 --> 1:04:31.520 Comer who was convicted for rape and murder in nineteen 1:04:31.560 --> 1:04:33.680 eighty seven in Arizona. And he does have a wild 1:04:33.680 --> 1:04:36.680 face with like teardrop tattoos like squirting out of his eye. 1:04:37.600 --> 1:04:40.400 He was camping with his girlfriend near Apache Lake in 1:04:40.440 --> 1:04:43.520 Arizona when they invited another camp for Larry Pritchard to 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:45.480 come and hang out with them. And then at some 1:04:45.600 --> 1:04:47.800 point later that evening, Comer just put a gun to 1:04:47.880 --> 1:04:50.520 Larry's head and shot him and then stabbed him in 1:04:50.560 --> 1:04:53.800 the neck. He stole Larry's emtid, hit his body, went 1:04:53.840 --> 1:04:55.600 back to the campsite, stole a bunch of his shit, 1:04:55.720 --> 1:04:58.600 including his dog, and then he and the girlfriend went 1:04:58.600 --> 1:05:02.960 to another campsite posed as Arizona Dea ordered Jane Jones 1:05:02.960 --> 1:05:05.240 and Richard Smith which sounded like fake names, to come 1:05:05.280 --> 1:05:07.360 out of their tent. He was holding a gun on them. 1:05:07.520 --> 1:05:10.200 They got tied up. Then they stole their truck and 1:05:10.240 --> 1:05:12.720 some other things. And then the woman Jane, was like, 1:05:12.760 --> 1:05:15.320 can I use the bathroom? And when comer said that 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:17.160 she could, he followed her into the woods and he 1:05:17.240 --> 1:05:20.520 sexually assaulted her. Then he kidnapped her and took her 1:05:20.920 --> 1:05:23.520 with him and his girlfriend and his girlfriend's two kids 1:05:23.560 --> 1:05:27.040 on the road. He also sexually assaulted her two more 1:05:27.040 --> 1:05:28.800 times and trigger warning. 1:05:28.480 --> 1:05:30.520 For the pet owners. He killed the dog. 1:05:31.040 --> 1:05:34.560 Thank god, Jones escaped when the guy was fixing the 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:36.520 truck and she was picked up by another driver and 1:05:36.760 --> 1:05:38.320 she was able to you know, they were able to 1:05:38.320 --> 1:05:41.240 get the cops and he was arrested. But starting in 1:05:41.480 --> 1:05:44.840 two thousand, this all happened in nineteen eighty seven. Starting 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:46.840 in two thousand, he was trying to get all his 1:05:46.880 --> 1:05:50.200 appeals dropped. He's like, execute me. For seven years he 1:05:50.240 --> 1:05:53.080 tried to get executed and over and over they were 1:05:53.080 --> 1:05:55.560 just trying to prove his competency to make this decision. 1:05:55.880 --> 1:05:58.720 And he said in court transcripts, quote, I killed Larry 1:05:58.720 --> 1:06:01.200 Pritchard stuck a gun in his ear and pulled the trigger. 1:06:01.240 --> 1:06:02.680 He's dead, and I for an eye. 1:06:02.720 --> 1:06:04.920 I mean I ended a whole bunch of innocent people's 1:06:04.920 --> 1:06:08.200 lives and changed changed their lives forever. Even though they're 1:06:08.240 --> 1:06:10.720 still alive, their lives are destroyed. I owe that to them. 1:06:10.760 --> 1:06:12.880 I owe it to myself. Man, I was totally wrong. 1:06:12.920 --> 1:06:14.880 I don't know what everybody's so scared about. Death is 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:18.160 not that damn bad end of quote. The Ninth Circuit 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.440 Court granted his request in early two thousand and seven. 1:06:20.880 --> 1:06:22.560 May twenty third of two thousand and seven. He was 1:06:22.600 --> 1:06:25.080 strapped to a gurney. They covered him with a sheet. 1:06:25.120 --> 1:06:27.920 Witnesses were watching. He mouthed, Hi, how are you towards 1:06:27.960 --> 1:06:32.560 the witnesses, and then the warden, Carson McWilliams, asked do 1:06:32.640 --> 1:06:35.280 you have any last words? And he said yes, go Raiders, 1:06:36.320 --> 1:06:39.000 referring to the football team, and then he was executed. 1:06:39.680 --> 1:06:42.160 So that was just like I guess there was a 1:06:42.200 --> 1:06:44.280 bunch of guys at this in this time period tried 1:06:44.280 --> 1:06:46.880 to do that. Another case people say this is based 1:06:46.880 --> 1:06:50.480 on is David Riggins, and he was Riggins versus Nevada 1:06:50.520 --> 1:06:52.480 was a Supreme court case about being forced to take 1:06:52.520 --> 1:06:55.360 medication for trial. But in this episode he kind of 1:06:55.360 --> 1:06:57.760 got back on his meds like willingly. So I don't 1:06:57.760 --> 1:07:00.600 think it really connects as much. Like what happened was 1:07:00.600 --> 1:07:04.200 that his meds stopped working and that he this in 1:07:04.560 --> 1:07:07.400 the episode, and that when he was reintroduced to the 1:07:07.440 --> 1:07:10.520 prison system, they gave him different meds and they started working. 1:07:10.560 --> 1:07:12.320 So I'm not going to get into this David Riggins case, 1:07:12.360 --> 1:07:15.760 but I wanted to acknowledge it Alvin Bernard Ford case, 1:07:16.480 --> 1:07:20.160 that is the case of Ford versus Rain Wainwright. 1:07:20.160 --> 1:07:21.560 Excuse me, now, I feel. 1:07:21.360 --> 1:07:24.439 Guilty for even being like, I don't know, maybe. 1:07:24.640 --> 1:07:27.440 He should be in jail because it is it's the 1:07:27.440 --> 1:07:28.920 scary it's the scariest illness. 1:07:28.920 --> 1:07:31.080 It's one of the scariest I know. That's what I mean. 1:07:31.160 --> 1:07:34.560 It's like they're not they're not themselves, they're not, but 1:07:34.720 --> 1:07:37.360 like they're something their body did that their brain didn't 1:07:37.400 --> 1:07:39.200 That's like what the show all the time is like, 1:07:39.280 --> 1:07:41.400 it's something your body, a crime your body committed that 1:07:41.440 --> 1:07:42.280 your brain didn't know about. 1:07:42.520 --> 1:07:42.720 Like that. 1:07:42.800 --> 1:07:44.800 I mean, in the episode that we do on the road, 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:48.200 the guy who has like a sleepwalking thing where he 1:07:48.360 --> 1:07:52.480 does sleep sex or whatever sexsomnia, and he like rapes 1:07:52.480 --> 1:07:56.880 his girlfriend's sister and they're like, I can't charge him. Yeah, 1:07:57.000 --> 1:07:58.520 They're like, we can't charge him. He didn't know what 1:07:58.520 --> 1:08:01.000 he was doing. It's a medical condition, you know. I mean, 1:08:01.040 --> 1:08:02.680 they do this all the time in this booking show. 1:08:02.680 --> 1:08:04.360 But it's to get us to think and talk about it. 1:08:04.480 --> 1:08:05.479 So it's good. 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:09.680 But Ford, it is because I feel bad now because 1:08:09.720 --> 1:08:12.720 it is just a bummer. I know. 1:08:12.840 --> 1:08:16.040 Well, I think you're exhibiting a lot of what people 1:08:16.080 --> 1:08:19.840 feel like. It's like, as a victim, yeah, you want justice, 1:08:19.880 --> 1:08:23.240 but then if you know about mental health, you're like, fuck, 1:08:23.360 --> 1:08:26.360 it's just it's not a catch twenty two. 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:29.200 I don't know what it is. It's just an unsolvable problem, 1:08:29.280 --> 1:08:29.920 it feels like. 1:08:30.000 --> 1:08:33.880 But maybe just generally the nation paying more attention to 1:08:33.920 --> 1:08:36.720 public health and they're being like, you know, what's it 1:08:36.760 --> 1:08:39.840 called universal health care? That could help? That could help 1:08:39.840 --> 1:08:42.400 a little bit. If a guy like this was being 1:08:42.439 --> 1:08:45.080 monitored in some way, they might have known his med 1:08:45.120 --> 1:08:48.520 stopped working after his sister's death. But in the television show, 1:08:48.600 --> 1:08:51.559 in this case, Albert Bernard Ford, this is Ford versus 1:08:51.960 --> 1:08:55.240 Wainwright and it's a landmark Supreme case that upheld the 1:08:55.280 --> 1:08:58.000 law that the insane cannot be executed. So they have 1:08:58.040 --> 1:09:00.920 a right to a competency evaluation and an evidentiary hearing 1:09:00.960 --> 1:09:04.559 to determine competency and if they can be executed or not. 1:09:04.840 --> 1:09:04.920 So. 1:09:05.600 --> 1:09:08.040 Alvin Bernard Ford was convicted of murdering a cop in 1:09:08.120 --> 1:09:10.400 nineteen seventy four in a botched robbery, and he was 1:09:10.400 --> 1:09:11.879 sentenced to death in Florida. 1:09:11.920 --> 1:09:13.599 Obviously they love killing people. 1:09:13.920 --> 1:09:16.720 By nineteen eighty two, he'd been on eight on death 1:09:16.800 --> 1:09:19.600 row for eight years. His mental health had severely declined. 1:09:19.800 --> 1:09:22.160 He was calling himself the Pope. He was telling people 1:09:22.160 --> 1:09:25.679 he stopped the KKK from burying dead prisoners in the walls. 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:28.280 He said that the prison guards were torturing their female 1:09:28.280 --> 1:09:29.240 relatives at the prison. 1:09:29.400 --> 1:09:31.080 I mean that one. I kind of am like, did 1:09:31.120 --> 1:09:31.920 you guys look into it? 1:09:32.280 --> 1:09:34.639 And he said he was appointing judges to the Florida 1:09:34.680 --> 1:09:37.759 Supreme Court. So the guy's not making sense. So three 1:09:37.800 --> 1:09:40.840 psychiatrists examined this guy and said that while he does 1:09:40.880 --> 1:09:43.600 have various mental disorders, he was capable of understanding what 1:09:43.640 --> 1:09:46.040 the death penalty means and what it would do to him, 1:09:46.280 --> 1:09:48.360 and then the governor of Florida, Bob Graham, just like 1:09:48.439 --> 1:09:50.360 signed a death warrant for him in nineteen eighty four. 1:09:50.800 --> 1:09:53.200 And then Ford sued the secretary of the Florida Department 1:09:53.200 --> 1:09:55.240 of Corrections, whose name was Louis L. Wainwright, and that's 1:09:55.240 --> 1:09:58.320 why it's called Ford versus Waynewright. And the court reasoned 1:09:59.000 --> 1:10:04.040 that executing the insane did not serve any penological goals. 1:10:04.080 --> 1:10:06.680 And I'd never heard the word of penalogical and it 1:10:06.720 --> 1:10:09.360 comes from you know, penalized penalty, Like I just hadn't 1:10:09.400 --> 1:10:11.719 heard that word before, and I like it. They found 1:10:11.800 --> 1:10:15.880 that Florida's way of proving or disproving competency was inadequate. 1:10:16.040 --> 1:10:18.880 Like basically what this governor did was he there were 1:10:18.880 --> 1:10:21.400 three psychiatrists that said, yeah, this guy's okay, and he 1:10:21.439 --> 1:10:23.960 goes okay, kill him. And the court was like, no, 1:10:24.040 --> 1:10:26.880 there has to be more of a There has to 1:10:26.920 --> 1:10:28.880 be more of like due process, Like there needs to 1:10:28.920 --> 1:10:31.160 be a full hearing with rules of procedure, like a 1:10:31.240 --> 1:10:35.120 lawyer has to be there, cross examine, question the witnesses 1:10:35.200 --> 1:10:38.880 and the experts and this and that. So eventually this 1:10:38.960 --> 1:10:41.479 case was passed by the Supreme Court. Ford was transferred 1:10:41.479 --> 1:10:44.240 to Florida State Hospital for treatment after he was reevaluated 1:10:44.280 --> 1:10:48.040 and found to be incompetent to be executed, and then 1:10:48.120 --> 1:10:50.439 in nineteen eighty nine, a federal judge actually ruled that 1:10:50.439 --> 1:10:52.800 he was sane, and defense lawyers were appealing that, but 1:10:52.840 --> 1:10:54.960 the appeal was in process when Ford actually died of 1:10:55.000 --> 1:10:58.280 a respiratory illness in nineteen ninety one at age thirty seven, 1:10:58.479 --> 1:11:01.240 so they didn't end up being to go any further 1:11:01.280 --> 1:11:03.240 with it. But I do I like agree. I think 1:11:03.280 --> 1:11:05.599 it leaves too much power in the hands of like 1:11:05.680 --> 1:11:08.040 governors just to be like, oh yeah, grab a couple 1:11:08.040 --> 1:11:10.519 psychiatrists and whatever they say, I'll go with that, instead 1:11:10.520 --> 1:11:13.040 of like a due process for a person that might 1:11:13.040 --> 1:11:15.639 be suffering from mental illness. But let's get into the 1:11:15.680 --> 1:11:20.160 main dish of today's the main event of today's crimes. 1:11:20.600 --> 1:11:23.400 This is just gonna like confuse you even further. I 1:11:23.400 --> 1:11:26.639 feel on your feelings, Lisa, because it's very you don't 1:11:26.640 --> 1:11:27.320 know what to believe. 1:11:27.880 --> 1:11:31.680 A guy named Charles Ray Hatcher. He is a serial. 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:35.320 Killer and rapist and he's I wrote the final sweetheart 1:11:35.320 --> 1:11:38.559 I got to research today was Charles Ray Hatcher, So 1:11:38.720 --> 1:11:41.160 Charles Ray Hatcher was the son of a criminal and 1:11:41.160 --> 1:11:43.840 an abusive alcoholic. He was a bullied boy who turned 1:11:43.840 --> 1:11:45.840 into a bullyef so he led a life of crime 1:11:45.840 --> 1:11:48.679 from a young age. Eighteen car theft, went to prison, 1:11:48.720 --> 1:11:51.559 twenty car theft went to prison, then at twenty back 1:11:51.600 --> 1:11:55.160 in prison for check forgery, twenty two escaped prison attempted 1:11:55.160 --> 1:11:59.599 burgoy back in prison, twenty five auto theft, separate prison 1:11:59.680 --> 1:12:00.400 escape attempt. 1:12:00.560 --> 1:12:02.879 He's doing it all. In nineteen fifty nine. 1:12:02.840 --> 1:12:05.160 Hatcher is getting out of his sixth prison sentence and 1:12:05.200 --> 1:12:08.000 he's thirty years old. He attempts to abduct a sixteen 1:12:08.040 --> 1:12:10.519 year old newspaper delivery boy using a Butcher knife, and 1:12:10.520 --> 1:12:12.360 then he goes to jail for lucky number seven. He 1:12:12.400 --> 1:12:15.439 does not succeed in this attempt. He actually tries to 1:12:15.640 --> 1:12:19.200 escape during his transport during this seventh prison sent but 1:12:19.280 --> 1:12:21.240 they got him and they got him into the Missouri 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:24.519 State Penitentiary. And there it's where he's like bragging that 1:12:24.560 --> 1:12:27.360 he's the most notorious criminal in northwest Missouri since Jesse 1:12:27.479 --> 1:12:31.639 James go Off King do your branding. So two years 1:12:31.640 --> 1:12:34.840 into that sentence, in nineteen sixty one, an inmate named 1:12:35.160 --> 1:12:37.720 Jerry Farrington, twenty six years old, is found raped and 1:12:37.720 --> 1:12:40.439 repeatedly stabbed to death in the back. He's on the 1:12:40.479 --> 1:12:43.240 floor of the prison kitchen loading dock, and the only 1:12:43.280 --> 1:12:45.240 member of the kitchen crew who's missing at the time 1:12:45.760 --> 1:12:50.360 Charles Ray Hatcher. So he goes into solitary, but they 1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:52.640 can't convict him lack of evidence. I guess you know, 1:12:52.680 --> 1:12:56.320 there's no cameras. It's still the sixties. They don't whatever. 1:12:56.720 --> 1:13:00.240 So in solitary confinement, Hatcher writes a note claim that 1:13:00.320 --> 1:13:03.680 he needs psychiatric care, but the prison psychologist thinks that 1:13:03.720 --> 1:13:05.680 he's just trying to lie his way out of solitary 1:13:05.720 --> 1:13:07.759 and maybe even lie his way out of prison in general, 1:13:08.040 --> 1:13:10.120 so they refuse to treat him, and then they just 1:13:10.160 --> 1:13:13.599 send him back into gen Pop. Then he gets released early, 1:13:14.400 --> 1:13:18.559 I might add on August twenty fourth of nineteen sixty three, 1:13:18.640 --> 1:13:20.840 so he's thirty four years old. So he's only been 1:13:20.880 --> 1:13:22.800 in jail. Is this man's gotten out of jail for 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:25.760 the seventh time. He maybe killed someone in jail, though 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:27.880 they can't prove it, and he tried to kidnap someone, 1:13:27.880 --> 1:13:30.559 but they're like, get back into society, you little Rascal. 1:13:31.160 --> 1:13:34.320 So then nothing from this dude for like six years. Okay. 1:13:34.760 --> 1:13:37.759 Then in August of nineteen sixty nine, this guy's forty 1:13:38.360 --> 1:13:43.600 Hatcher abducts a boy in Antioch, California. He lured the 1:13:43.600 --> 1:13:46.120 boy into his car, took him down to a creek, 1:13:46.160 --> 1:13:49.160 and strangled him. Okay, So just two days later, a 1:13:49.160 --> 1:13:52.080 six year old boy named Gilbert Martinez is reported missing 1:13:52.120 --> 1:13:55.080 in San Francisco, having last been seen with a man 1:13:55.120 --> 1:13:59.360 who offered him ice cream and a man walking his dog. 1:13:59.560 --> 1:14:02.839 Later that day finds the boy being beaten and sexually 1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:06.120 assaulted and calls the police. When they arrive, the man 1:14:06.240 --> 1:14:08.880 who's the perpetrator will say nothing except that his name 1:14:08.960 --> 1:14:11.479 is Albert Ralph Price and his ID says his name 1:14:11.520 --> 1:14:14.519 is Hobert Prater. But the FBI identifies the guy as 1:14:14.560 --> 1:14:19.360 Charles Ray Hatcher. So the following month, Hatcher, still going 1:14:19.360 --> 1:14:22.320 by Albert Price, is charged with assaults with attempt to 1:14:22.320 --> 1:14:25.160 commit sodomy and kidnapping, and a judge orders of psychiatric 1:14:25.200 --> 1:14:30.080 evaluation determine his confidence. And then since he's been unresponsive 1:14:30.080 --> 1:14:32.200 with authorities like he will not speak to the authorities 1:14:32.240 --> 1:14:34.760 really except to give this fake name, so they're like 1:14:34.840 --> 1:14:38.120 give this guy a psyche val Hatcher claimed to hear voices, 1:14:38.800 --> 1:14:40.960 and it was thought that he was faking mental illness. 1:14:41.000 --> 1:14:43.680 Sources say he pretended to be confused and faked a 1:14:43.680 --> 1:14:47.280 few suicide attempts as well, all to avoid prison. In 1:14:47.360 --> 1:14:50.559 nineteen seventy, he's bouncing back and forth between psych hospitals 1:14:50.560 --> 1:14:54.400 and courts. One psychiatrist diagnosed him with passive aggressive personality 1:14:54.439 --> 1:14:58.599 with paraphilia and pedophilia. The hospital staff felt that Hatcher 1:14:58.720 --> 1:15:01.879 was fabricating or exactly the symptoms of his mental disorder, 1:15:02.160 --> 1:15:04.400 so they did. The hospital determined he was competent to 1:15:04.400 --> 1:15:07.720 stand trial. The judge asks for two more evaluations. In 1:15:07.800 --> 1:15:10.920 seventy one, he's examined by two psychiatrists. One says he's 1:15:10.960 --> 1:15:13.880 insane and recommends vigorous treatment in a secure hospital. The 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:16.360 second one declares him to be incompetent to stand trial 1:15:16.400 --> 1:15:18.320 and sends him back to the hospital as well. In 1:15:18.360 --> 1:15:21.439 May of nineteen seventy one, Hatcher is sent to trial 1:15:21.600 --> 1:15:24.439 and pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity, and yet 1:15:24.479 --> 1:15:27.400 another hot and Yes, another hospital evaluates Simmons says he 1:15:27.479 --> 1:15:30.600 is unfit to stand trial. Weeks later, in June of 1:15:30.640 --> 1:15:33.559 seventy one, Hatcher escapes from the hospital. They catch him 1:15:33.600 --> 1:15:37.400 in Colusa, California a week later, and he's arrested for 1:15:37.439 --> 1:15:39.639 auto theft and he's using the name Richard Lee Grady. 1:15:39.720 --> 1:15:42.000 So this guy is all over the place. Hatcher is 1:15:42.040 --> 1:15:44.720 then returned to the California State Hospital for mental evaluation. 1:15:45.600 --> 1:15:48.280 Staff determined that his treatment was unsuccessful and that he 1:15:48.360 --> 1:15:50.360 was a danger to other patients, after which he was 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:55.160 sent to a prison state hospital in Vacaville. In seventy two, 1:15:55.200 --> 1:15:58.000 this is three years after the crimes that he's committed. 1:15:58.360 --> 1:16:02.960 He in to the the boy Gilbert in San Francisco, 1:16:03.000 --> 1:16:04.640 because I think at this point they still don't know 1:16:04.680 --> 1:16:07.799 that he's killed this boy in Antioch, California. He's transferred 1:16:07.800 --> 1:16:11.160 to San Quentin to stand trial. He was ordered to 1:16:11.280 --> 1:16:15.080 undergo two final evaluations. One says he's competent to stand trial. 1:16:15.120 --> 1:16:16.920 The other one says he was sane at the time 1:16:16.960 --> 1:16:19.040 of the crime. So it's like you can get all 1:16:19.040 --> 1:16:21.360 these different doctors to say all these different things. In 1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:23.360 seventy two, he stood trial. He was convicted of the 1:16:23.400 --> 1:16:26.240 abduction and molestation of Gilbert Martinez, and he was committed 1:16:26.240 --> 1:16:29.400 to a California State Hospital and he was labeled quote 1:16:29.400 --> 1:16:33.519 a mentally disordered sexual offender. In March of nineteen seventy three, 1:16:33.560 --> 1:16:36.120 they find this dude in a cooler with sheets stubbed 1:16:36.120 --> 1:16:37.720 down his pants and he admits. 1:16:37.400 --> 1:16:39.040 That he's trying to escape the hospital. 1:16:39.479 --> 1:16:42.560 So he gets sent to a medium security prison in Vacaville, 1:16:43.000 --> 1:16:46.519 and then in May of seventy three, as psychologists says 1:16:46.520 --> 1:16:50.960 that he is quote a manipulative, institutionalized sociopath. In nineteen 1:16:51.000 --> 1:16:53.479 seventy three, he attempts suicide after being sentenced to a 1:16:53.479 --> 1:16:55.880 maximum security prison, so people think he's trying to stay 1:16:55.880 --> 1:16:59.679 away from maximum security. A psychiatrist diagnoses him with paranoids, 1:16:59.680 --> 1:17:02.160 gets a and he stays at Vaccaville in the in 1:17:02.240 --> 1:17:06.639 the medium security prison. Two years later, guards report good 1:17:06.680 --> 1:17:09.960 behavior at his parole review. The following year, nineteen seventy six, 1:17:10.000 --> 1:17:13.400 the California Parole Board finds that he's improved dramatically and 1:17:13.439 --> 1:17:16.360 they're going to parole him on Christmas of nineteen seventy eight, 1:17:16.600 --> 1:17:19.479 but then a bill passes that gives him credit for 1:17:19.600 --> 1:17:22.479 all time spent in jail and mental facilities, so he 1:17:22.479 --> 1:17:24.720 gets out earlier. He gets out a full year and 1:17:24.720 --> 1:17:27.160 a half earlier, in January of nineteen seventy seven, he 1:17:27.200 --> 1:17:30.280 gets out and he goes to a San Francisco halfway house. 1:17:30.400 --> 1:17:32.519 And I just think, San Francisco in the seventies, what 1:17:32.560 --> 1:17:35.200 a perfect place for a lifelong criminal with no resources. 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:38.240 He doesn't even make it two years till September of 1:17:38.320 --> 1:17:41.639 nineteen seventy eight, he's arrested under the name Richard Clark 1:17:41.720 --> 1:17:44.320 in Omaha for sexually assaulting a sixteen year old boy. 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:46.880 They send him to Douglas County Mental Hospital and he's 1:17:46.920 --> 1:17:50.880 released in seventy nine. That's four months. That's it, like 1:17:50.920 --> 1:17:52.920 at max. That's four months he was in jail for 1:17:53.000 --> 1:17:54.519 sexual assault of a sixteen year old boy. 1:17:54.760 --> 1:17:55.800 I do not know what's going on. 1:17:55.840 --> 1:17:57.800 I know it's the seventies, but everyone's just kind of 1:17:57.880 --> 1:18:00.200 like slapping the sky on the wrist and moving in on. 1:18:00.240 --> 1:18:02.000 And I do think he might have mental health problems, 1:18:02.040 --> 1:18:03.880 but I think that means we need to there needs 1:18:03.880 --> 1:18:05.680 to be a more permanent solution of keeping this man 1:18:05.920 --> 1:18:08.720 off the streets in a hospital. Five months later, in 1:18:08.800 --> 1:18:11.960 nineteen seventy nine, in May of seventy nine, he's arrested 1:18:12.000 --> 1:18:14.200 for assault and attempted murder of a seven year old 1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:17.920 boy named Thomas Morton. So he goes to Norfolk Regional Center, 1:18:18.040 --> 1:18:20.719 a mental health facility, and then the charges are dropped. 1:18:20.760 --> 1:18:23.120 I don't know what's going on. I truly cannot figure 1:18:23.120 --> 1:18:28.160 out what's happening. A year later, in May of nineteen eighty, 1:18:28.240 --> 1:18:30.479 Hatcher is released. Then he gets sent back two months 1:18:30.560 --> 1:18:34.200 later for another assault, escapes in September. Now it's October 1:18:34.240 --> 1:18:37.519 of nineteen eighty. He's arrested again as Richard Clark, again 1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:40.120 in Nebraska for attempted assault in sodomy of a seventeen 1:18:40.160 --> 1:18:42.519 year old boy, and he was sent to another mental 1:18:42.520 --> 1:18:44.760 health facility and released after. 1:18:44.600 --> 1:18:46.040 Twenty one days. 1:18:46.200 --> 1:18:48.519 I don't know what's happening here, Like at this point, 1:18:48.560 --> 1:18:51.679 it's this is comedy. This is like to me, maybe 1:18:51.680 --> 1:18:53.880 these facilities are just like, we can't handle this guy. 1:18:54.000 --> 1:18:56.360 Let him out three months. I think they're all letting 1:18:56.400 --> 1:18:58.640 him out hoping he'll offend again and get sent to 1:18:58.720 --> 1:19:02.439 jail eventually. The three months later, January of eighty one, 1:19:02.600 --> 1:19:05.320 he as Richard Clark is arrested after a knife fight 1:19:05.360 --> 1:19:07.680 in Des Moines, Iowa. Then he bounces around to a 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:10.160 bunch of different mental health facilities for the next four 1:19:10.160 --> 1:19:12.840 months until finally he's released to the Davenport Salvation Army 1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:19.400 in April of eighty one. Meanwhile in crazy, meanwhile going 1:19:19.439 --> 1:19:22.640 on concurrently to all this man's stuff going on. In 1:19:22.680 --> 1:19:25.800 May of nineteen seventy six, a four year old boy 1:19:26.240 --> 1:19:29.680 named Eric Christian or Christkin, I don't know how you 1:19:29.680 --> 1:19:34.280 say this last name, disappeared in Saint Joseph, Missouri. His 1:19:34.400 --> 1:19:37.880 body is later found along the Missouri River where he 1:19:37.479 --> 1:19:39.639 and he's found to have been sexually abused and died 1:19:39.680 --> 1:19:43.520 of suffocation. The police talked to one hundred plus suspects, 1:19:43.520 --> 1:19:46.679 including quote, every known pervert in town that was listed 1:19:46.680 --> 1:19:49.360 in multiple sources, but no credit to actually set it. 1:19:49.400 --> 1:19:52.120 So I'm sorry I can't attribute that quote, but someone 1:19:52.160 --> 1:19:54.240 just said they brought in every pervert in town and 1:19:54.240 --> 1:19:56.720 they came up empty. One of the suspects that they 1:19:56.760 --> 1:19:59.559 did talk to was Melvin Reynolds, a twenty five year 1:19:59.560 --> 1:20:03.360 old man with low IQ who had been sexually abused 1:20:03.400 --> 1:20:05.760 himself as a child and who had a homosexual experiences 1:20:05.800 --> 1:20:09.200 as an adolescent. He cooperates fully with the interrogation. They 1:20:09.200 --> 1:20:13.240 interrogate him multiple times over months, he takes two polygraphs 1:20:13.240 --> 1:20:16.120 and they even put him under hypnosis. In December nineteen 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:19.040 seventy eight, he's questioned under am or barbarital, which is 1:20:19.080 --> 1:20:22.280 also called truth serum, and he made some ambiguous remark 1:20:22.360 --> 1:20:24.240 that made the police be like, this is our guy. 1:20:24.880 --> 1:20:28.439 So two months later, in February of seventy nine, they 1:20:28.479 --> 1:20:30.640 bring him in again. He's still cooperating. It's been a 1:20:30.760 --> 1:20:32.439 year and a half in this bro still like you 1:20:32.439 --> 1:20:34.919 want to talk to me here I am. They interrogate 1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:38.599 him for fourteen hours, question him, threaten him until finally 1:20:38.640 --> 1:20:40.880 Melvin says, I'll say so if you want me to. 1:20:41.000 --> 1:20:43.080 It's very much making a murderer like what they do 1:20:43.160 --> 1:20:46.640 to Bobby Dassy, you know, like interrogate him forever. This 1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:49.559 guy's low IQ and they're just like, eventually will break 1:20:49.600 --> 1:20:49.880 him down. 1:20:49.920 --> 1:20:50.400 And they did. 1:20:50.840 --> 1:20:53.439 And after that he just kept adding details to his 1:20:53.479 --> 1:20:55.760 confessions that were fed to him by the police, either 1:20:56.080 --> 1:20:58.960 consciously or not, and a prosecutor got on board with 1:20:59.040 --> 1:21:01.320 charging him. A jury convicted him of second degree murder 1:21:01.320 --> 1:21:02.559 and he was sentenced to life. 1:21:03.400 --> 1:21:04.280 Four years later. 1:21:04.600 --> 1:21:09.080 Charles Ray Hatcher, our Guy, confesses to three murders, including 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:13.280 the murder of Eric Christian and Reynolds was released, thank god, 1:21:13.360 --> 1:21:15.400 but no thanks to this shitty work from the cops 1:21:15.400 --> 1:21:20.200 that just put this like low iq man into prison 1:21:20.280 --> 1:21:22.320 and convinced him that he did this crime. So he 1:21:22.360 --> 1:21:25.559 spent four years in jail. Good work, guys. So and 1:21:25.640 --> 1:21:28.360 it's like, yes, he's been exonerated. Who knows if society's 1:21:28.400 --> 1:21:31.000 going to treat him that way. So back to old 1:21:31.080 --> 1:21:33.280 Charlie Ray Hatcher. Last we heard from him, it's April 1:21:33.320 --> 1:21:35.759 of eighty one. He's in the Salvation Army shelter in Iowa. 1:21:36.120 --> 1:21:38.479 A year later, July of eighty two, and eleven year 1:21:38.479 --> 1:21:42.559 old girl named Michelle Steele is reported missing from Saint Joseph, Missouri, 1:21:42.640 --> 1:21:45.280 the same place where Eric Christian has disappeared from, and 1:21:45.320 --> 1:21:48.040 the next day, her naked body is found by her 1:21:48.160 --> 1:21:50.240 uncle by the Missouri River. She had been beaten and 1:21:50.240 --> 1:21:53.400 strangled to death, exact same mo as Eric. But how 1:21:53.439 --> 1:21:56.200 could Malvin Reynolds have committed this crime? Again, he was 1:21:56.240 --> 1:21:58.800 in jail for a crime he didn't commit. Hatcher was 1:21:58.880 --> 1:22:01.680 arrested the following day as he tried to check in 1:22:01.760 --> 1:22:03.960 to this. He was trying to check himself into the 1:22:04.080 --> 1:22:07.479 Saint Joseph State Hospital at the time, and as he 1:22:07.520 --> 1:22:10.519 awaited trial for Michelle Steele's abduction and murder, he confessed 1:22:10.520 --> 1:22:11.559 to fifteen other murders. 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:12.959 The first victim was twelve. 1:22:12.760 --> 1:22:15.240 Year old William Freeman, who was the boy who had 1:22:15.280 --> 1:22:17.920 disappeared in Antioch, California, just a day or two before 1:22:17.960 --> 1:22:20.920 he was caught with Gilbert Martinez in San Francisco. Hatcher 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:23.080 gave cops a map that led to the remains of 1:22:23.080 --> 1:22:25.599 twenty eight year old James Churchill. So he's killing kids, 1:22:25.640 --> 1:22:27.559 he's killing adults. I mean, he's all over the map 1:22:27.600 --> 1:22:31.559 this guy. And he had buried this guy near Rock 1:22:31.600 --> 1:22:36.040 Island Army Arsenal near Davenport, Iowa. He also confessed to 1:22:36.040 --> 1:22:38.040 the murder of Eric as I said. And he was 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:42.480 convicted of the era of Eric Christian's homicide on October 1:22:42.600 --> 1:22:44.880 of nineteen eighty three, and he got life with no 1:22:45.000 --> 1:22:50.439 parole for at least fifty years. Finally, yes, and now 1:22:50.600 --> 1:22:52.800 that he now that he's waiting on trial to do 1:22:52.920 --> 1:22:56.320 Michelle Steele's murder. Also in Missouri, Hatcher asked for the 1:22:56.360 --> 1:22:59.120 death penalty, but the jury refused and gave him life. 1:22:59.360 --> 1:23:02.479 In December eighty four and four days later, he did 1:23:02.840 --> 1:23:04.640 take his own life by hanging in his cell at 1:23:04.680 --> 1:23:07.640 the Missouri State Penitentiary at fifty five years old. So 1:23:08.600 --> 1:23:12.240 there are a lot there are some you know, like 1:23:12.840 --> 1:23:16.400 commonalities of course with the episode. But I never get 1:23:16.439 --> 1:23:20.280 like a clear picture whether this guy is just a 1:23:20.520 --> 1:23:25.479 super criminal who's a manipulative sociopath, or is he suffering 1:23:25.520 --> 1:23:27.200 from schizophrenia and he has two different parts. 1:23:27.240 --> 1:23:31.360 I either way, the authorities should have kept him locked 1:23:31.400 --> 1:23:32.599 up in a hospital or prison. 1:23:32.640 --> 1:23:33.960 It doesn't matter which one. I don't care. 1:23:34.280 --> 1:23:37.719 Look at this fucking story after jail sentence number seven. 1:23:38.120 --> 1:23:41.240 Yeah, yeah, Like I'm not into the three strike policy, 1:23:41.320 --> 1:23:44.960 you know, I'm not, But like ten strikes with multiple 1:23:45.040 --> 1:23:47.720 rapes of children, I think those are those strips. You're out, 1:23:47.760 --> 1:23:51.000 You're out of society. Fuck authorities putting the wrong man 1:23:51.080 --> 1:23:53.160 in prison. This guy just kept committing I mean. 1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:57.280 So many lives I know, And it really just does 1:23:57.320 --> 1:23:59.959 feel like whenever you research crimes from the sixties and seventies, 1:24:00.240 --> 1:24:02.120 like everyone was asleep at the wheel. I mean, I 1:24:02.120 --> 1:24:04.599 get they didn't have the same technology. They didn't have DNA, 1:24:04.680 --> 1:24:06.599 they didn't have cameras, they didn't have a lot of stuff, 1:24:06.600 --> 1:24:11.320 but it's like fuck, like I don't know poor Melvin. 1:24:11.479 --> 1:24:13.400 I'm glad he got out at least after four years 1:24:13.400 --> 1:24:15.559 and it wasn't like like life. 1:24:15.600 --> 1:24:18.400 But yeah, anyway, that's that. 1:24:18.520 --> 1:24:23.080 On that and now we've got a very cool guest, 1:24:23.200 --> 1:24:33.920 so don't go anywhere. Our guest today is one of 1:24:33.920 --> 1:24:36.639 those guys that you just know you've seen him in something. 1:24:36.720 --> 1:24:40.919 He's a prolific character actor. He was Ellen DeGeneres's roommate 1:24:41.080 --> 1:24:43.800 on her sitcom Ellen. His character was named Adam Green, 1:24:43.840 --> 1:24:46.880 but he's also been on Castle six Feet Under buttercall Saul. 1:24:47.240 --> 1:24:50.360 He's in everything, but you know him today as a 1:24:50.680 --> 1:24:54.520 Southern man suffering from schizophrenia who headbutted Stabler into blindness. 1:24:54.840 --> 1:24:59.439 Saul Picard, please enjoy our delightful conversation with Ari Gross. 1:25:00.080 --> 1:25:04.800 You are a iconic SVU figure as the person who 1:25:04.840 --> 1:25:06.880 headbutted Elliott Stabler into blindness. 1:25:06.920 --> 1:25:09.880 So we're so excited to talk to you. Thank you 1:25:09.960 --> 1:25:12.720 very much, a very amazing performance. 1:25:13.320 --> 1:25:17.799 Yes, you had done criminal intent before you did SVU. 1:25:18.120 --> 1:25:20.960 I saw so you kind of knew the Dick Wolf 1:25:21.080 --> 1:25:21.960 universe a little bit. 1:25:22.760 --> 1:25:26.040 Well, I mean I knew the Dick Wolf universe as 1:25:26.080 --> 1:25:29.240 a fan before long before that. 1:25:30.200 --> 1:25:35.160 Yeah, and I did do criminal Intent and that was 1:25:35.400 --> 1:25:38.360 very fun. I think that was in two thousand and five. 1:25:38.800 --> 1:25:40.599 Yeah, damn, yeah, it was like a couple of years 1:25:40.600 --> 1:25:43.519 before this one. So then they just bring you in 1:25:43.560 --> 1:25:46.559 and say, we want you to play this sort of 1:25:46.920 --> 1:25:51.920 on the edge, I mean, someone suffering from schizophrenia guy character? 1:25:52.200 --> 1:25:54.400 Or do you are you auditioning? Like how does this 1:25:54.439 --> 1:25:57.920 come all come about? They see you play another person 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:00.559 with similar characters. 1:26:00.920 --> 1:26:06.360 I actually don't remember, but I I probably auditioned for it, 1:26:06.840 --> 1:26:11.200 though I had I had occasionally had offers. 1:26:11.640 --> 1:26:14.599 In fact, I think it might have actually been an offer. 1:26:14.880 --> 1:26:18.040 I feel like you're a go to guy, you know, 1:26:18.120 --> 1:26:21.200 looking at your career, you're you're on every show that's 1:26:21.400 --> 1:26:23.920 happened in the past twenty years. 1:26:23.960 --> 1:26:25.840 Well, I'm assuming they're calling you. 1:26:26.439 --> 1:26:29.360 There was there was a certain period where if you 1:26:29.680 --> 1:26:32.880 saw my face early in an episode of a show, 1:26:33.439 --> 1:26:39.120 a child was in danger, oh no, and you know 1:26:39.800 --> 1:26:41.559 it was a little bit of an ego blow, but 1:26:41.880 --> 1:26:44.800 also you know, it helps to make insurance by the 1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:47.200 end of the year, and if it's a great show, 1:26:47.320 --> 1:26:48.280 great actors in it. 1:26:48.400 --> 1:26:50.280 Yeah, you're a pedophile again. 1:26:50.520 --> 1:26:56.400 Man, I remember definitely being I mean, in addition to 1:26:56.600 --> 1:27:01.879 a chance to work with Mauria and Chris and. 1:27:04.000 --> 1:27:04.519 B d One. 1:27:05.320 --> 1:27:07.960 Yeah, well, when I'm a Blanket, we actually just did 1:27:07.960 --> 1:27:09.400 a play together a few years ago. 1:27:09.520 --> 1:27:11.760 Oh and Diane and. 1:27:14.360 --> 1:27:18.040 Iced Tea and he and I had done a short 1:27:18.200 --> 1:27:22.040 movie together like a million years ago. Oh, so I 1:27:22.080 --> 1:27:25.160 had some connection to a bunch of people on the show. 1:27:25.360 --> 1:27:28.920 But it was I was delighted to be part of 1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:29.559 that universe. 1:27:29.760 --> 1:27:32.760 What was the short about? What was the short with 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:35.480 Iced Tea? I'm so curious. 1:27:35.880 --> 1:27:39.400 The short was called get Text, and it was kind 1:27:39.400 --> 1:27:42.439 of like a sizzle reel for a movie that never 1:27:42.479 --> 1:27:46.439 got made about two brothers who had a tuxedo business 1:27:46.479 --> 1:27:48.240 they had inherited from their father. 1:27:48.920 --> 1:27:54.080 And I was I think it was Eddie Tuxedo or sometimes. 1:27:54.560 --> 1:27:57.720 Yeah, this is from nineteen eighty seven and the thumbnail 1:27:57.920 --> 1:28:01.400 is like a very young Iced Tea on IMDb. 1:28:01.960 --> 1:28:03.000 Yeah, that's right. 1:28:03.520 --> 1:28:03.960 Wow. 1:28:04.400 --> 1:28:09.720 Anita Rosenberg wrote and directed it, and Kurt Fuller was 1:28:09.760 --> 1:28:13.280 in it, and James row was in a tearing Ley Hopkins, 1:28:13.320 --> 1:28:15.320 who is a you know. 1:28:15.360 --> 1:28:20.519 Very successful writer director. It was it was also, it was, 1:28:20.880 --> 1:28:22.559 it was. It was a lot of. 1:28:22.520 --> 1:28:25.200 Fun and it was just sort of a lark for 1:28:25.439 --> 1:28:29.160 a friend. But you know, all these people went on 1:28:29.200 --> 1:28:31.040 to have my great careers. 1:28:31.680 --> 1:28:35.519 Any like tidbits that our audience would like about those 1:28:35.520 --> 1:28:38.320 people or your day on set and filming, and I 1:28:38.760 --> 1:28:40.519 want to know personally about you having to run with 1:28:40.520 --> 1:28:42.519 your hands behind your back and if that was hard. 1:28:42.680 --> 1:28:45.479 But that's in the that's in the sequence after he 1:28:45.520 --> 1:28:47.360 pulls me out of the truck in the park. 1:28:47.520 --> 1:28:47.880 Yeah. 1:28:47.960 --> 1:28:51.800 Yeah, and I'm and I'm I'm sort of just this 1:28:51.840 --> 1:28:55.000 sort of stream of consciousness. 1:28:56.760 --> 1:28:58.519 Stuff that I'm saying, yeah, and then you see the 1:28:58.560 --> 1:29:00.600 billboard and that's when it. 1:29:00.439 --> 1:29:03.799 Yeah, yeah, that the billboard, as I recall where I'm saying, 1:29:05.040 --> 1:29:08.639 it says like escape and I think, yeah, it's gonna 1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:12.200 be that's gonna be difficult. And then it was actually 1:29:13.800 --> 1:29:19.760 like remarkably fun to shoot that though that all the 1:29:19.800 --> 1:29:22.280 subject matter and you know a lot of the scenes 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:26.280 are super dark, but he's so dissociated at that point 1:29:27.720 --> 1:29:31.960 that you know, it's it's one of those rare opportunities 1:29:32.000 --> 1:29:33.679 as an actor where you can kind of just use 1:29:33.760 --> 1:29:38.600 anything that comes to mind to you know, sort of motivate, 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:40.240 if you will, what you're. 1:29:40.120 --> 1:29:42.519 Saying because it doesn't have to be. 1:29:43.040 --> 1:29:47.800 There's no obligation too to connect to any sort of 1:29:47.880 --> 1:29:52.360 like psychological reality, Right, you get to create your own 1:29:52.520 --> 1:29:56.599 because it's it's you know, in this guy's case, I'm 1:29:56.640 --> 1:30:01.000 not a medical person or anything, but the clearly something 1:30:01.080 --> 1:30:04.559 is so wrong, whether it's chemical or in the guy's brain. 1:30:05.760 --> 1:30:07.760 So what kind of prep do you do to get 1:30:07.800 --> 1:30:09.000 ready to play a part like this? 1:30:10.320 --> 1:30:14.800 Is it different pushups? 1:30:16.200 --> 1:30:17.479 What? What kind of prep? 1:30:18.040 --> 1:30:22.120 So with that part, I listened to a lot of 1:30:23.720 --> 1:30:31.080 accent coaching tapes to try and approximate a New Orleans accent, 1:30:31.640 --> 1:30:34.360 which is it was not familiar to me at all, 1:30:34.920 --> 1:30:37.080 and that and that's a fun thing to do. 1:30:37.160 --> 1:30:40.120 That's you know, part of the if you're if you're 1:30:40.120 --> 1:30:40.880 a baker. 1:30:40.640 --> 1:30:43.040 That's when you get to like put the roses on 1:30:43.120 --> 1:30:47.479 the cake and stuff like that. But also, you know, 1:30:47.520 --> 1:30:51.479 I didn't go out and write children's books or anything 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:51.840 like that. 1:30:52.840 --> 1:30:57.519 But you know, learning learning lines, I will have to 1:30:57.560 --> 1:31:00.280 say that was a that was a big hard of 1:31:00.280 --> 1:31:01.760 it is. 1:31:03.200 --> 1:31:06.240 And it sounds kind of like, well, of course you 1:31:06.240 --> 1:31:08.679 have to learn your lines, but learning them so well 1:31:08.720 --> 1:31:11.240 that I could think anything and just have the words 1:31:11.280 --> 1:31:13.600 come out because I didn't know where we were going 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:16.479 to shoot and what was going to be happening to me, Like, 1:31:16.640 --> 1:31:20.320 I didn't know until we were walking down that path 1:31:20.360 --> 1:31:24.919 and I was handcuffed behind my back and Chris Maloney 1:31:25.040 --> 1:31:26.040 was making me laugh. 1:31:26.800 --> 1:31:31.040 That love to hear that what the circumstances were going 1:31:31.080 --> 1:31:31.280 to be. 1:31:32.160 --> 1:31:36.120 So I just how many takes was the headbud? 1:31:36.560 --> 1:31:40.800 Oh? Not a lot? Like you know, quick quick. 1:31:40.920 --> 1:31:43.240 You just like lunged for it towards him and he 1:31:43.320 --> 1:31:46.360 just threw himself back into the car. Like pretty much 1:31:46.520 --> 1:31:48.439 did they have a stunt person or you were doing it? 1:31:48.439 --> 1:31:51.519 Probably be stunt person involved. I was trying to stay 1:31:51.640 --> 1:31:54.960 very focused on what I had to say. I don't 1:31:54.960 --> 1:31:58.759 remember all of that stuff. I'm certain there were stunt people. 1:31:58.880 --> 1:32:01.280 Are you saying that, like even when you're kind of 1:32:01.640 --> 1:32:03.640 rambling when he's pulling you out of the woods and 1:32:03.640 --> 1:32:05.160 you're just is all that scripted? 1:32:05.280 --> 1:32:08.120 Or are you just kind of taking story. 1:32:07.800 --> 1:32:12.040 That No, that is one hundred on the page? Oh wow, 1:32:13.080 --> 1:32:14.519 you know when I got the script? 1:32:14.600 --> 1:32:15.120 Wow? 1:32:15.800 --> 1:32:18.040 Yeah, because some of it's like just under your breath, 1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:20.479 like I wouldn't have even probably heard it. This last 1:32:20.520 --> 1:32:22.400 time I watched it, I had it with the captions on, 1:32:22.520 --> 1:32:23.759 so I could tell what you were saying. 1:32:23.840 --> 1:32:26.920 But yeah, it's like, yeah, that's so, that's wow. 1:32:26.960 --> 1:32:28.519 I would have thought they would have let you improv 1:32:28.560 --> 1:32:32.000 a little bit there, but I guess everything by the book. 1:32:32.080 --> 1:32:35.720 One of the Okay, So in that particular moment, one 1:32:35.760 --> 1:32:39.080 of my favorite things was we did I think we 1:32:39.120 --> 1:32:42.400 did a couple of takes that it was kind of 1:32:42.439 --> 1:32:47.480 a tight master with me and my guy and Stabler. 1:32:48.520 --> 1:32:51.479 And once we got that and you know, all the 1:32:51.520 --> 1:32:54.640 words came out, I got a lot of like acknowledgment, 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:59.439 a lot of warm feelings from production. Oh nice, as 1:32:59.640 --> 1:33:01.479 we're doing that, like, oh that was great, Oh we. 1:33:01.439 --> 1:33:04.280 Got it all. Oh that's trumant. It was great. It 1:33:04.320 --> 1:33:04.679 was great. 1:33:04.960 --> 1:33:07.800 And after about the fourth person said something like that, 1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:10.000 Chris just went, okay, look. 1:33:09.800 --> 1:33:14.479 It was okay. He didn't want you to get too 1:33:14.520 --> 1:33:15.439 big for your brushes. 1:33:15.560 --> 1:33:16.520 It was fine. 1:33:17.360 --> 1:33:23.479 And Marishka, I had been on a sitcom a couple 1:33:23.479 --> 1:33:28.840 of years earlier. I was Ellen's roommate on her first 1:33:28.880 --> 1:33:33.680 sitcom and in one of our very first episodes, and 1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:39.719 it was before SVVU, Marishka was my date in the episode. 1:33:39.720 --> 1:33:42.720 She was the guest star oh wow, I believe her 1:33:42.800 --> 1:33:48.160 name was Dara. Oh my wow, Yes, I believe. I 1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:50.800 have a photo from that episode I can share with 1:33:50.800 --> 1:33:51.080 you too. 1:33:51.280 --> 1:33:55.439 Our listeners are very obsessed with everything she's done prior 1:33:55.720 --> 1:33:58.120 to SVU, because she's just been on the same show 1:33:58.160 --> 1:33:59.080 for twenty five years. 1:33:59.080 --> 1:34:01.559 That if they you're in er, they take a photo 1:34:01.600 --> 1:34:02.439 and like send it to us. 1:34:02.439 --> 1:34:04.920 Everybody's like very obsessed with like those. But I don't 1:34:04.920 --> 1:34:08.599 think anyone's ever sent us the ellen. So we got 1:34:08.760 --> 1:34:09.960 we got to see that. 1:34:09.960 --> 1:34:10.839 That's so funny. 1:34:10.840 --> 1:34:12.920 And so when you showed up on the set to 1:34:14.080 --> 1:34:20.280 be you know, Saul Picard, this schizophrenic pedophile, did you 1:34:21.000 --> 1:34:23.320 she was? She like, oh, it's my old boyfriend Ari 1:34:23.520 --> 1:34:28.320 how I mean, because everything we hear she remembers everybody and. 1:34:28.280 --> 1:34:32.320 Like so absolutely, And that was another thing about that 1:34:32.360 --> 1:34:35.479 shows that everyone It just makes. 1:34:35.240 --> 1:34:39.520 You feel immediately welcome and comfortable. 1:34:40.720 --> 1:34:42.559 It was great, Yeah, because you had big scenes. 1:34:42.600 --> 1:34:44.400 You had the head butt with Maloney, you had big 1:34:44.439 --> 1:34:46.280 scenes with Diane Neil too. 1:34:46.120 --> 1:34:47.720 And the confession with b. D. 1:34:47.880 --> 1:34:48.200 Wong. 1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:50.240 Yeah, yeah, that's right. 1:34:50.640 --> 1:34:54.439 Yeah, that was all it was all it was. It 1:34:54.479 --> 1:34:57.040 was very involving stuff. It was a great part. 1:34:57.200 --> 1:34:58.760 Yeah, it was a great, big one. 1:34:58.800 --> 1:35:01.559 They gave you a lot of big, juicy monologues and 1:35:01.600 --> 1:35:02.240 things to do. 1:35:02.520 --> 1:35:08.519 It felt like the challenge was to to not excuse 1:35:08.640 --> 1:35:11.760 or whitewash the guy, but to sort of live in 1:35:11.800 --> 1:35:16.439 that area of like, at what point it's some like 1:35:16.600 --> 1:35:22.320 just horrific behavior, like beyond someone's control. And in this case, 1:35:22.320 --> 1:35:24.880 it sort of felt like it landed on beyond his 1:35:25.000 --> 1:35:29.639 control because because he thought he was doing something else. 1:35:30.840 --> 1:35:33.559 I haven't rewatched the episode, but does that recall his 1:35:33.640 --> 1:35:39.080 thing was that he thought he was protecting his younger 1:35:39.160 --> 1:35:42.840 sister from an attack that had happened, you know, twenty 1:35:42.920 --> 1:35:44.599 years earlier or something like that. 1:35:44.840 --> 1:35:49.320 Well, with all your experience on sets, I am curious, 1:35:49.840 --> 1:35:51.920 is that what is it like have you ever gone 1:35:52.000 --> 1:35:53.600 to as summit like well, this is going to be 1:35:53.640 --> 1:35:58.320 a mess, and what are those things that indicate that 1:35:58.520 --> 1:36:01.599 to you or the opposite? You know, we're like, oh, 1:36:01.640 --> 1:36:02.920 this is going to be a great day. 1:36:03.560 --> 1:36:06.400 You know, it really is kind of impossible to know 1:36:06.479 --> 1:36:07.840 what's going to be a great day, what's going to 1:36:07.880 --> 1:36:10.160 be a bad day. You sort of you know, it's 1:36:10.200 --> 1:36:13.080 whether or not does something get in the groove at 1:36:13.120 --> 1:36:17.240 a certain point. Usually for me, an indication that things 1:36:17.320 --> 1:36:21.479 might not be great is walking onto you know, and 1:36:21.520 --> 1:36:21.880 it doesn't. 1:36:21.920 --> 1:36:24.599 It really doesn't happen that much. I've mostly have had 1:36:24.760 --> 1:36:26.040 great experiences. 1:36:26.479 --> 1:36:28.439 But every now and then you walk onto a set 1:36:28.479 --> 1:36:31.479 that you know it's either a film that's been shooting 1:36:31.479 --> 1:36:33.280 for a couple of weeks or a series that's been 1:36:33.320 --> 1:36:37.519 going on, and ten minutes into your day there's somebody 1:36:37.600 --> 1:36:41.920 yelling at somebody else and it just feels like, oh, well, 1:36:41.920 --> 1:36:45.320 this is you know, everybody needs to go to therapy 1:36:45.360 --> 1:36:49.719 and come back tomorrow. Ors just just a TV show. 1:36:49.640 --> 1:36:51.759 Yell I get someone at work is wild. 1:36:52.840 --> 1:36:55.599 It is wild, and I've seen it a few times, 1:36:55.640 --> 1:37:01.040 and I will omit the names to protect the guilty. 1:37:01.240 --> 1:37:04.960 I guess you have done so many things. 1:37:05.000 --> 1:37:07.479 What do people recognize you for the most when somebody 1:37:07.560 --> 1:37:09.519 randomly comes up to you? What are they like or 1:37:09.760 --> 1:37:11.080 do you get a lot of mine? What do I 1:37:11.120 --> 1:37:13.360 know you from? Kind of people? 1:37:13.760 --> 1:37:15.160 Which Pedophile were? 1:37:17.360 --> 1:37:20.040 That's right? Well, I have to say that. 1:37:21.680 --> 1:37:28.880 I became aware that Blinded had aired because my daughter 1:37:29.080 --> 1:37:33.960 was around two at the time, and I would suddenly 1:37:34.000 --> 1:37:37.960 when I would take her to the local park playground 1:37:38.040 --> 1:37:43.080 on the swings is when I would start getting very 1:37:43.160 --> 1:37:49.680 uncomfortable glances from other parents and really not understand what 1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:55.040 the issue was and forget about going into the library. 1:37:56.240 --> 1:37:59.400 I think a lot of people still kind of identify 1:37:59.520 --> 1:38:06.599 me from Castle, Oh right, right, because I didn't do 1:38:06.720 --> 1:38:10.120 a lot of episodes each season, but I did about 1:38:10.520 --> 1:38:13.000 I say, eight or nine seasons of the show, so 1:38:14.160 --> 1:38:16.800 I think people mostly thought I was their junior high 1:38:16.840 --> 1:38:17.719 biology teachers. 1:38:18.520 --> 1:38:20.679 Oh my god, you were also in Six Feet Under. 1:38:21.439 --> 1:38:22.599 Forgot you were in a few. 1:38:22.479 --> 1:38:24.599 Of those that that's correct. 1:38:24.640 --> 1:38:24.960 I was. 1:38:25.560 --> 1:38:31.200 I was a couples therapist i show. Yeah, and. 1:38:32.640 --> 1:38:36.720 I think I've sort of aged out of people recognizing 1:38:36.760 --> 1:38:39.000 me from Allen, but that was a big deal for 1:38:39.040 --> 1:38:39.559 a long time. 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:44.439 Yeah, And anything fun coming up, anything you'd like us 1:38:44.520 --> 1:38:45.120 to look out for. 1:38:47.680 --> 1:38:52.880 I'm I'm currently looking for self storage space, so I'm 1:38:52.880 --> 1:38:55.599 about to move every everything I've still got left at 1:38:55.600 --> 1:38:59.160 the old house. But other than that, sort of seeing 1:38:59.160 --> 1:39:04.160 what the new season will bring, it's a very strange time. 1:39:05.000 --> 1:39:08.000 As you know, in the business, there's this kind of 1:39:08.479 --> 1:39:13.599 realignment of everything, so you know, we'll see, Well. 1:39:13.439 --> 1:39:15.760 They could definitely get you back on s few. I 1:39:15.760 --> 1:39:17.479 think it's been long enough since the head butt that 1:39:17.479 --> 1:39:18.920 people will have forgotten a little bit. 1:39:18.960 --> 1:39:19.840 We can get you back, and. 1:39:19.880 --> 1:39:22.200 There'd be a good lawyer, you know, like a lawyer, 1:39:23.200 --> 1:39:25.160 a dirt like a dirty governor. 1:39:25.200 --> 1:39:28.640 I don't know judge, okay, because I don't know this 1:39:28.760 --> 1:39:35.320 at all, But are there actors who repeat characters? 1:39:35.600 --> 1:39:37.720 Some of the main detectives who have been on for 1:39:37.840 --> 1:39:41.679 seasons were either perpetrators or victims in the past. 1:39:42.600 --> 1:39:46.120 And wasn't Diane Neial initially a guest star and then 1:39:46.160 --> 1:39:46.479 came on. 1:39:46.760 --> 1:39:49.840 Yes, right, she was a purp, she was a chill 1:39:51.240 --> 1:39:51.599 came out. 1:39:52.040 --> 1:39:54.680 Yeah, but it's not the same character. No, no, no, 1:39:55.040 --> 1:39:55.479 they're not. 1:39:55.439 --> 1:39:57.840 Like she's not like I reformed and went and went 1:39:57.880 --> 1:39:58.240 to law. 1:39:58.120 --> 1:39:59.759 School and went to law school in prison. 1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:00.280 Yeah. 1:40:00.360 --> 1:40:04.519 Yeah, she's a totally different person. Which they've done it. 1:40:04.560 --> 1:40:07.920 I have Muggsy what's his name? That's his Twitter? What's 1:40:07.960 --> 1:40:13.599 the or is it? It's like five or six? Yeah, 1:40:13.720 --> 1:40:17.680 there's a bunch more regular detective. But yeah, they bring people. 1:40:17.760 --> 1:40:19.280 Well, they they at the beginning. 1:40:19.320 --> 1:40:21.360 I think they used to reuse people a lot more frequently, 1:40:21.439 --> 1:40:23.479 like the first few seasons, and now I think they 1:40:23.479 --> 1:40:25.400 try to spread them out more. But you see people 1:40:25.400 --> 1:40:27.040 all the time that we're like on a season that 1:40:27.120 --> 1:40:29.640 have been back in the more recent seasons. So just 1:40:29.680 --> 1:40:33.160 putting that out there that are gross is ready for 1:40:33.200 --> 1:40:34.479 his return to SVU. 1:40:34.760 --> 1:40:41.120 That's right, Hell yeah. 1:40:40.760 --> 1:40:44.280 Fun guy, nice guy. But he's like such a what 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:47.679 a talented guy, and he's like just out there working, 1:40:48.520 --> 1:40:53.240 working and working. But this episode, this episode, I would say, 1:40:54.000 --> 1:40:57.120 if we're going to bring up stuff that we've discussed, 1:40:57.160 --> 1:41:01.200 it's like we have talked before about actual I mean, 1:41:03.240 --> 1:41:05.000 we are not pro death penalty on this podcast, so 1:41:05.040 --> 1:41:07.479 I don't want anyone to death, but like you know, 1:41:08.040 --> 1:41:10.320 we've talked before about like there was a woman that 1:41:10.400 --> 1:41:12.120 was on death row that had had that was they 1:41:12.160 --> 1:41:15.479 actually ended up executing who was had gone through so 1:41:15.680 --> 1:41:18.160 much trauma in her life and had definitely had mental 1:41:18.200 --> 1:41:22.080 health issues. And I really don't feel like they are 1:41:22.439 --> 1:41:26.599 in certain states taking any of that into account. This 1:41:26.840 --> 1:41:29.680 it felt like this episode was really and again these 1:41:29.720 --> 1:41:33.160 are these episodes are from a long time ago, and 1:41:33.320 --> 1:41:35.920 I think that they're always tapping in on stuff that 1:41:36.040 --> 1:41:39.400 is still relevant in the current conversation of like, you know, 1:41:41.160 --> 1:41:43.919 before we are putting someone to death like an animal, 1:41:44.439 --> 1:41:48.639 what are we considering their full personhood and like what 1:41:48.720 --> 1:41:53.600 they might be suffering from, like mental illness, trauma informed 1:41:53.600 --> 1:41:59.519 mental illness, you know, horrific past. I don't know, it's 1:41:59.600 --> 1:42:02.840 just something something this episode made me think about. You know, well, 1:42:02.880 --> 1:42:05.040 it's just hard to understand. So it's hard to make 1:42:05.120 --> 1:42:09.880 sense of because it's like it's schizophrenia is just sad. 1:42:09.920 --> 1:42:14.400 It's hard to think about. Yeah, yeah, what because Evail. 1:42:14.160 --> 1:42:17.519 Isn't real and then you're committing awful crimes and you 1:42:17.560 --> 1:42:20.160 don't even remember, and then now you're quote unquote better 1:42:20.200 --> 1:42:22.000 and medicated, and now you have to live with these 1:42:22.040 --> 1:42:23.880 things and it wasn't you, but it is you. 1:42:24.560 --> 1:42:25.160 Yeah. 1:42:25.640 --> 1:42:30.040 Yeah, yeah, it's it's really complicated, and I think that's 1:42:30.040 --> 1:42:32.160 why most people would rather just put people to death 1:42:32.200 --> 1:42:33.280 than think about anything. 1:42:33.680 --> 1:42:37.639 Yeah, but is that wild to say? 1:42:38.439 --> 1:42:41.880 No, No, I think people are people look at the 1:42:41.920 --> 1:42:44.880 crimes and they see things sort of black and white. 1:42:44.920 --> 1:42:47.559 I mean, obviously the crimes in this episode and in 1:42:47.640 --> 1:42:50.960 the in the real life crimes were horrific, but. 1:42:51.680 --> 1:42:54.120 Well, and the guy in Missouri like that was just 1:42:54.160 --> 1:42:56.880 like fucking sad, like all that evidence that he didn't 1:42:56.920 --> 1:42:59.360 do it, and the governor instead of just been like, well, wait, like, 1:42:59.439 --> 1:43:01.240 what kind of a bloodlust is this? 1:43:02.360 --> 1:43:03.240 Like I don't under. 1:43:03.080 --> 1:43:05.519 Don't understand why they couldn't have if they feel a 1:43:05.560 --> 1:43:07.479 little bit of a chance he didn't do it, why 1:43:07.520 --> 1:43:09.519 wouldn't that be enough to be like, oh, yeah, let's wait, 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:11.240 Like I don't understand. 1:43:10.840 --> 1:43:12.799 Wait six months in six months if it's. 1:43:12.680 --> 1:43:15.320 Not, I don't Yeah, I don't understand the blood lust 1:43:15.360 --> 1:43:19.720 for that kind of thing. And it was, but it's like, yeah, 1:43:19.960 --> 1:43:22.360 I am just I'm just against the death penalties. 1:43:22.439 --> 1:43:26.200 So and I do think that the wishes of the family. 1:43:26.320 --> 1:43:29.560 I think a lot of times the family Sometimes I 1:43:29.880 --> 1:43:31.960 have read things where it's like, oh, the family wants 1:43:31.960 --> 1:43:33.960 that person dead so they can like sleep at night 1:43:34.040 --> 1:43:37.200 knowing that he's not like breathing anymore. Okay, I guess 1:43:37.240 --> 1:43:41.520 I can see people wanting that, but. 1:43:40.640 --> 1:43:44.519 But that case, usually the families don't want it, Like 1:43:44.720 --> 1:43:48.160 I get that too, but it's realy the case often enough. 1:43:48.240 --> 1:43:50.120 I feel like most of the time they're just like, yeah, 1:43:50.120 --> 1:43:53.400 they want them out of society and you know, getting 1:43:53.960 --> 1:43:56.519 you know, hopefully we should be looking at prison also 1:43:56.560 --> 1:43:59.679 as rehabilitative, right, Like aren't we supposed to be looking 1:43:59.680 --> 1:44:00.800 at it that way. 1:44:00.640 --> 1:44:02.519 Not if you're going in for life. I don't care, 1:44:04.000 --> 1:44:07.559 stay bad. I don't know. 1:44:07.680 --> 1:44:09.639 People can go in for life and they can get 1:44:09.800 --> 1:44:12.840 degrees and change who they are. I don't know, look 1:44:12.840 --> 1:44:15.760 at some of these people have done stuff like that. 1:44:16.120 --> 1:44:16.479 I don't know. 1:44:16.520 --> 1:44:16.680 Though. 1:44:16.800 --> 1:44:20.479 Then I was just watching some of the episodes where 1:44:20.760 --> 1:44:22.840 of serial killers that we know where they're working in 1:44:22.840 --> 1:44:26.879 the law library on SVU, and I was like, these guys, 1:44:27.000 --> 1:44:29.280 these guys are never going to stop, you know who 1:44:29.280 --> 1:44:30.080 we're talking about. 1:44:30.800 --> 1:44:33.479 The library is like that's the place for the gentle 1:44:33.520 --> 1:44:37.160 soul of the prison always Yeah, yeah, No, I guess 1:44:37.240 --> 1:44:39.479 you can become Yeah, I guess it's good if you 1:44:39.560 --> 1:44:41.120 become better in person. 1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:42.599 I don't know. 1:44:42.680 --> 1:44:44.080 I don't think that they're yeah, you're not going to 1:44:44.160 --> 1:44:47.519 let somebody like out, But I don't know. I also 1:44:47.560 --> 1:44:49.640 think it's I also think personally, if it was me 1:44:49.760 --> 1:44:52.479 and somebody like knock on Wood, like murdered one of 1:44:52.479 --> 1:44:55.360 my loved ones or something, I would want them in 1:44:55.400 --> 1:45:00.280 prison thinking about their crime rather than just what if 1:45:00.280 --> 1:45:01.519 we just stop out? 1:45:02.520 --> 1:45:03.000 I don't know. 1:45:03.840 --> 1:45:05.640 Don't you think it's punishment for a psycho to be 1:45:05.680 --> 1:45:09.320 locked with no control in jail like we're so yeah, 1:45:09.360 --> 1:45:12.160 but I don't think they're thinking about the crime. Yeah, 1:45:12.200 --> 1:45:13.720 you don't think they're like repentant. 1:45:13.720 --> 1:45:15.240 And if that's the thing, it's like they don't want 1:45:15.280 --> 1:45:15.840 to be in jail. 1:45:15.840 --> 1:45:19.639 But if you feel nothing, then like jail or not jail, 1:45:20.000 --> 1:45:21.599 it doesn't matter you right, if you. 1:45:21.520 --> 1:45:24.720 Feel like well, they've also it's also been proven that 1:45:24.760 --> 1:45:27.320 the death penalty is not a deterrent, like it doesn't 1:45:27.320 --> 1:45:31.479 deter people from crimes. So hi, yeah, ye, it's a tough. 1:45:31.520 --> 1:45:34.160 It's tough, But let's let's move on to this week's 1:45:34.120 --> 1:45:37.040 So what would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment, 1:45:37.120 --> 1:45:39.200 you guys know, where we just try to give you 1:45:39.240 --> 1:45:41.800 more info on what we talked about in today's episode, because, 1:45:42.200 --> 1:45:44.000 believe it or not, we do not have a PhD 1:45:44.240 --> 1:45:47.479 or any kind of our education in anything we're talking about. So, 1:45:48.120 --> 1:45:51.599 you know, mental illness in the prison system not my level, 1:45:51.680 --> 1:45:53.400 not my area of exploitase. 1:45:52.920 --> 1:45:56.080 You know, because I believe Yeah, remember I was really 1:45:56.080 --> 1:45:58.680 mad that that dude who had that nervous breakdown, like 1:45:58.760 --> 1:46:01.799 stabbed the pregnant life and slit the mom's throat. 1:46:02.200 --> 1:46:03.479 Yeah, gouged out his. 1:46:03.439 --> 1:46:05.839 Daughter's eye and then he was sent to a hospital 1:46:05.880 --> 1:46:07.480 and then really I was pissed. 1:46:07.720 --> 1:46:14.439 Yeah, because he was eventually released for world Yeah yeah, yeah. 1:46:14.479 --> 1:46:16.439 But this week I wanted to direct you guys to 1:46:16.479 --> 1:46:20.000 an initiative by the American Bar Association called the Severe 1:46:20.000 --> 1:46:23.240 Mental Illness Initiative. Their mission is to serve as a 1:46:23.320 --> 1:46:26.920 national resource for lawyers, organizations, and policymakers interested in learning 1:46:26.920 --> 1:46:30.360 more about the issues surrounding serious mental illness and capital punishment. 1:46:30.640 --> 1:46:33.599 They provide policy materials to advocates and lawmakers who want 1:46:33.600 --> 1:46:37.160 to support legislation to exempt individuals with serious mental health 1:46:37.160 --> 1:46:40.480 illness from the death penalty, and they support state coalitions 1:46:40.479 --> 1:46:42.599 that seek to end the execution of defendants with severe 1:46:42.640 --> 1:46:46.400 mental illness. 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