1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast. Catch 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: us live weekdays at noon Eastern on Apple car Play 4 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: and then roudo with the Bloomberg Business app. Listen on 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: demand wherever you get your podcasts, or watch us live 6 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 2: on YouTube. 7 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 3: I'm going to be a single day countdown. 8 00:00:28,360 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 4: Yes, please soon enough, let's speed up silly season. I 9 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 4: think we can say with some of the stuff that 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 4: we're chewing on here, but that's the way this goes. 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 4: We know it's like that in the final throes. They're 12 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,240 Speaker 4: just more outlets. There are more podcasts, there are more interviews, 13 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 4: it seems than ever. 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we certainly saw that on full display yesterday 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: with Kamala Harris sitting down for an interview on NBC 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: as well as on Telemundo, and then of course on Friday, 17 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: we're expecting Donald Trump to sit down with Joe Rogan 18 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: for his podcast not the only podcast, Kamala. 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 4: Harris to do the same. She's supposed to talk. 20 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 5: With them very well. 21 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 3: Might though I don't think call her Daddy, which Kamala 22 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:06,320 Speaker 3: Harris did, has been drawn out or Trump has been 23 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 3: drawn towards in the aftermath. They're not necessarily one for 24 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: wanning each other on these podcasts, but it's something we 25 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 3: want to discuss with someone who is an expert on 26 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: the media. Jane Hall is with us. She is American 27 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: University Associate Professor of Journalism and Media Studies and also 28 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 3: author of Politics and the Media, Intersections and New Directions. Jane, 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 3: Welcome back to Bloomberg TV and Radio. As we look 30 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 3: at the media strategy here in these final weeks of 31 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: the race, trying to reach out to, in some ways 32 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 3: very targeted groups of voters, how would you rate each 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 3: campaign's success on that front. 34 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 5: Well, you know, I think they've had their successes. Each 35 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 5: of them has had a success I mean, I think 36 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 5: it's striking that the GOP is coming out early voting. 37 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:50,160 Speaker 5: I mean that to me potentially shows how much loyalty 38 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 5: Donald Trump has because he's now saying, oh, no, go 39 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 5: ahead and come out and vote. I mean, it's very 40 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 5: hard to know how this is all going to end up, 41 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 5: but I personally think that Harris has done some very 42 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 5: interesting things by going on Brett Bayer. People who might 43 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 5: have doubted her, she stood her ground. You know, she 44 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 5: might even go do Joe Rogan. Trump is not going 45 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 5: into hostile territory. You know, he had a town hall 46 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 5: which was pretty much packed with people that were his 47 00:02:19,120 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 5: supporters and saying he was, you know, the protector of women. 48 00:02:23,320 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 5: I think that they are not that. The Trump campaign. 49 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 5: He is doubling down on the bro culture and on 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 5: immigration and on the language around that. I think more 51 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 5: than trying to go and convince people who are not 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 5: already with him, that would be my estimation. She is 53 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 5: going and I believe trying to show that she can 54 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 5: be the person that can overcome whatever doubts people have 55 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 5: about the first woman president, and also doubts about whether 56 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 5: they understand or know her well enough. These are things 57 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 5: that have come up over and over. I think that 58 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 5: her strategy probably is a stronger media strategy. How that 59 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 5: all plays out, We're really just going to have to see. 60 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 4: Jen. You're an expert on politics and the media, and 61 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 4: I'm struck by how in this campaign. Remember in two 62 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,920 Speaker 4: thousand and eight it was the Internet election because the 63 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 4: internets were new. This is being called, I think David 64 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,360 Speaker 4: Gora earlier in the broadcast called this the podcast election. 65 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 4: Donald Trump didn't do sixty minutes, and it might turn 66 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 4: out that he didn't need to. But this Joe Rogan interview, 67 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 4: for instance, could have a major impact on mobilizing bros 68 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 4: as you call them, in other young voters he's trying 69 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 4: to reach. Are we resetting the deck on the must haves? 70 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 4: The must do is when it comes to media in 71 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 4: a presidential campaign. 72 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 5: Oh, you know, I think that's such a great point. 73 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 5: I think this could be the podcast election. You know, 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 5: Kamala Harris going on on Call her Daddy got a 75 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 5: bigger audience that she might have gotten in many of 76 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 5: the so called legacy media. I will say that. At 77 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 5: the same time, you know, one of the things that 78 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 5: is happening is that the sixty Men MIT's interview Trump 79 00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 5: didn't show up for, and he's been out there saying 80 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 5: and convincing a lot of people that somehow it's wrong 81 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 5: that they edited it. You know, she's trying, I think, 82 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 5: to say that she's the one out there doing things. 83 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 5: But to your point, I believe very strongly that podcasts 84 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,479 Speaker 5: are definitely playing a huge role. People are going to 85 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 5: partisan podcasts, They're going to places where they are reaching 86 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 5: out beyond their normal audience. I mean, that's why I 87 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 5: think it was very smart for Kamala Harris to even 88 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 5: consider and then go on with Brett Mayer. You know 89 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 5: that's cable. But the podcast audience is huge. They've been 90 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 5: courting them, they've been trying to you know, if you 91 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 5: go to the spin Alley, the podcasts are definitely a 92 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 5: factor in a way that they have not been before. 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 5: And they tend to be partisan, not all of them, 94 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 5: but many of them reach an audience of like minded people, 95 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 5: and I think they've been a huge factor this time. 96 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: Well, that's a really important pointing. This isn't necessarily journalists 97 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 3: conducting non partisan interviews in many of these instances. And 98 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: when we consider the way in which podcasts, which are 99 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: often audio clipped, many of them have a video component 100 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: now just parts of them are circulating on the Internet's, 101 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,840 Speaker 3: as Joe calls it, across social media, many of these 102 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 3: things are being consolidated, not necessarily put into context. How 103 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 3: concerned are you are by what you're seeing around media 104 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 3: consumption behavior in this election and whether or not people 105 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: are getting access to the factual information that they need 106 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: to inform their vote. 107 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 5: I think that this is the biggest question we face 108 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 5: in media and politics. I mean, I will say don't 109 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 5: count out the legacy media. I mean the fact that 110 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 5: the New York Times put out their interview with Kelly immediately, 111 00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 5: the fact that NBC put out their interview immediately with 112 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 5: Callie Jackson says to me that they also want to 113 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 5: in any way answer the question of you edited it, 114 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:04,719 Speaker 5: you did something, you know that is something that Trump 115 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 5: has been promoting it. Really, I think that it is 116 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 5: an issue. It is an issue as to what kind 117 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 5: of information are people getting. I think asking people to 118 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 5: sort this out is more than we should be asking. 119 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 5: I think these you know, it's a very complicated question. 120 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 5: We should have fact checking, but it's very hard in 121 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 5: real time right now when you have when you have 122 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 5: Donald Trump saying that you know, what he said previously 123 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 5: isn't true anymore, and you have to go back and 124 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 5: say no, no, the media, you have to say no, no, 125 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 5: he actually did want to overturn Roe v. 126 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:36,799 Speaker 6: Wade. 127 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 5: I mean, we're we're in a fast, fast moving environment. 128 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 5: I think maybe after the election we can try to 129 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 5: look back at this and see what can be done 130 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 5: to try to help people. And also, frankly on the internet, 131 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 5: check and fact check, I mean, under Elon Musk, you know, 132 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 5: fact checking is going away in many ways, and that 133 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 5: is not a good thing. 134 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 4: Well, the meantime, to quote Terry Haynes at Pangaea Policy, 135 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 4: we're all drunks leaning on lamp posts. Jane, there's a 136 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: great note that Terry is out with today and he's quoting, 137 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 4: of course, the late Hall of Fame Dodgers announcer Vin Scully. Quote, 138 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 4: statistics are used much as a drunk uses a lamp 139 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 4: post for support, not illumination. And he calls out three examples, 140 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 4: pushing the betty markets as we've seen as somehow accurate, 141 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 4: pushing Harris's economic plan benefits the reality. Picking between he says, 142 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 4: Harris and Trump is like picking which terminal cancer you want, 143 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 4: and Harris supporters seeking to spook markets on Trump Terris. 144 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: When the analysis is siloed and admittedly speculative, it brings 145 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 4: us back to the impact of media and personality, the 146 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 4: use of celebrity, When in fact, if we're all drunks 147 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: leaning on lamp posts, we don't have a lot of 148 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 4: data here to count on. 149 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 5: Jane Dewey, Well, you know, I hope we can sober 150 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 5: up after November fifth, and frankly, we're not going to 151 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 5: be done after November fifth, you know, this is going 152 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 5: to go on for a while. I think that this 153 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 5: election has been exciting in many ways and also something 154 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 5: we want to reflect on because you do need to 155 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 5: have some consensus about what the facts are, and frankly, 156 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 5: that has been undermined pretty dramatically, and we're gonna have 157 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 5: to see how they saw plays out. I hate to 158 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 5: say we're gonna have to see, but it's pretty true. 159 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 5: I think in the you know, I think that we're 160 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 5: gonna have to look back and say, should we have 161 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 5: more regulation? Should we have you know, what should how 162 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 5: should this all look? Because right now we're in the 163 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 5: midst of I'll use another analogy, a car going down 164 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 5: the road one thousand miles an hour. It's very hard 165 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 5: to fix the car when you're running down the road. 166 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 5: And I think we're gonna have to get through this 167 00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 5: and then see what the impact of this environment has been. 168 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 5: Nobody particularly likes the environment that we're in, and that's 169 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 5: that's something maybe we can go forward on. 170 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 4: It's great to have you back with us. Jane Hall, 171 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 4: American University Professor of Journalism, Media Studies through Politics in 172 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 4: the Media, Intersections and new directions. I think we're finding 173 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 4: a couple of them right now. Jane, Thank you and 174 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 4: great to have you with us once again on Bloomberg 175 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 4: TV and Radio. I'm Joe Matthew alongside Kaylee Lines in Washington. 176 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 4: If you're just joining us, welcome to the fastest show 177 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:16,040 Speaker 4: in politics. We are less than two weeks out in Kaylee, 178 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,000 Speaker 4: impressive early voting numbers driving the conversation today from the 179 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: likes of Georgia and Nevada, where Republicans are snapping to 180 00:09:23,240 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 4: attention here. 181 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, breaking from the norm at least compared to what 182 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: we saw in twenty twenty. In Georgia, more than a 183 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 3: quarter of the voting population has already cast their ballots. 184 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 3: So for all of our conversation about the media tour 185 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,360 Speaker 3: of the Swing state Blitz in these final days, a 186 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 3: lot of people have already made up their minds and 187 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: have already acted on that thinking. 188 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 4: Twenty seven percent in the bag in the swing state 189 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 4: of Georgia. We'll assemble our panel next. Rick Davis and 190 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 4: Kristen Hahn with us today on Bloomberg TV and Radio. 191 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,800 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast kens 192 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 2: just Live weekdays at noon Eastern on Applecarplay and then 193 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 2: Roo with the Bloomberg Business at You can also listen 194 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 2: live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station 195 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 2: Just Say Alexa playing Bloomberg eleven. 196 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 3: Thirty thirteen days to go until election Day. We spent 197 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 3: a lot of time talking about the closing arguments we 198 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 3: have heard or will hear in these next thirteen days. 199 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris focusing in part on Donald Trump's character and 200 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 3: what she describes as his unfitness for office, in addition 201 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: to abortion rates, which will be spotlighted by a visit 202 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: to Texas on Friday. Whereas Donald Trump has a bit 203 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 3: more mixed messaging, shall we say when it comes to 204 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris, but one thing he has focused on. Frankly, 205 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 3: both of these candidates do seem to be putting emphasis 206 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: on is the economy. We heard from both of them 207 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:48,120 Speaker 3: on that issue in an interview in a rally, respectively yesterday. 208 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 7: My plans are focused on working people, the middle class, 209 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 7: and what we must do to strengthen hardworking people to 210 00:10:56,520 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 7: be able to do what they dream and aspire to 211 00:10:58,640 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 7: be able to do. His plan are about giving tax cuts, 212 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 7: massive tax cuts to billionaires in big corporations. 213 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 6: With four more years of Kamala Harris, North Carolina will 214 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 6: be an economic wasteland. 215 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 4: That's what's going to happen. 216 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 6: The rest of your companies are going to move out. 217 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 6: Everybody knows that smart people now, we don't need another. 218 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 4: For No country could take that. And of course now 219 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is pushing a federal minimum wage of at 220 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 4: least fifteen dollars an hour in answer to Donald Trump's 221 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 4: foray at the McDonald's in Pennsylvania with optics that are 222 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 4: still resonating on the campaign trail. Let's assemble our political 223 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 4: panel with us today Rick Davis, Bloomberg Politics contributor, Republican 224 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 4: strategist and partner at Stone Court Capital, alongside Democratic strategist 225 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: Kristin Hahn, partner at Rock Solutions. Great to see you both. 226 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 4: This is quite a contrast, Rick Davis, when you have 227 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: Donald Trump and what you I think already described on 228 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 4: the air as very effective optics. We're in the apron 229 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 4: handing out the frat restaurant open or closed, people pre 230 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 4: selected or not, and Kamala Harris answering that with a 231 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 4: fifteen dollars minimum wage. James squarely at those McDonald's workers, 232 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 4: which is a more effective pitch in this eleventh hour. 233 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 8: You know, look, I think they both work. Certainly, the 234 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 8: optics around being in a McDonald's and showing support for 235 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 8: people who are earning a living doing that, you know, 236 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 8: as I said earlier, has been an effective tool, and frankly, 237 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 8: the Democrats reacted so badly to it, it's actually probably 238 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 8: hard for the Harris campaign to get back into talking 239 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 8: about it because everyone panned so badly on the Democratic side. 240 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 8: The reality is she should have been visiting a McDonald's 241 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 8: and announcing this minimum wage policy in order to create 242 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 8: the optics that would get her more attention. We're talking 243 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 8: about it today because on Bloomberg we care about minimum 244 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 8: wage issues, but her ability to convert a lot of 245 00:13:03,240 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 8: talk about Wall Street issues, taxes, trade policy, all that 246 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 8: stuff that's been going on to a main street issue, 247 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 8: like you know, working at a McDonald's and earn in 248 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 8: seven bucks an hour is something that requires optics, not 249 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 8: just a press release. 250 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 3: Well, I was also struck Kristen by how she immediately 251 00:13:23,679 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 3: hedged her remark on a fifteen dollars federal minimum wage 252 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 3: by saying we'll work with Congress on that we got 253 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 3: to work it out, acknowledging that for something like that 254 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 3: it will require congressional action. This is not just up 255 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 3: to the power of the president. When the same acknowledgment 256 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: isn't necessarily being made for other economic proposals from both 257 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 3: candidates sprinkly when it comes to taxes or anything else. 258 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 3: So where is the realism element here? 259 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I think she's right. I mean for any 260 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: big policy change, whether it's minimum wage or the taxes 261 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: that are going to sunset and that we all know 262 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: that we're going to have to deal with at the 263 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 1: end of twenty twenty five, it's gonna first president of 264 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: United States is going to have to work with both 265 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:06,400 Speaker 1: chambers and likely both parties to get it done. You know, 266 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: I do think I agree with rick On on the 267 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: optics of Trump, even though it was a total sham 268 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: and they shut the restaurant down, But the optics are 269 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: are you know, are are important and probably were a 270 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,920 Speaker 1: net positive for him. You know, people criticize Kamla for 271 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: not being more substive. What she did was very substive, 272 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: but you know, like Rick said, sometimes it requires more 273 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 1: than just a press release. But the reality is that. 274 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: You know, anybody who's president is going to have to 275 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 1: work with both sides on these on any issue. 276 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 4: Really, I'm compelled by gas prices when you add that 277 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 4: to the story of a rising minimum wage at least 278 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 4: being proposed, and falling gas prices. Here Rick triple A 279 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 4: has the average price down eleven percent from this time 280 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 4: last year, and in fact, average gas prices are now 281 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: below three dollars a gallon in nineteen states, including the 282 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 4: swing states of Georgia, Carolina, and Wisconsin. I know that 283 00:15:02,800 --> 00:15:05,360 Speaker 4: a lot of Harris critics try to tie her to 284 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 4: the Biden administration. She's, of course a big part of 285 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 4: it when it comes to issues like the border. Does 286 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: she get the benefits of incumbency on a story like 287 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 4: this when it comes to gas prices. 288 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 8: She could if she spent more time demagoguing it. I mean, 289 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 8: and I mean that in a positive way. Donald Trump, 290 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 8: you know, demogogue's anything positive that happens if the if 291 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 8: the if the stock market goes up, it's because, according 292 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 8: to Donald Trump, they know he's going to win. If 293 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 8: it goes down, it's because they're worried that Biden or 294 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 8: the Harris campaign is getting successful. I think this is 295 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,520 Speaker 8: a lesson that at White House and the Harris campaign 296 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 8: have never quite understood, is at some point you actually 297 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 8: have to take credit for something positive. You can't just 298 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 8: sort of assume that's your day job. And so the 299 00:15:54,280 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 8: policies of the Biden, you know, Harris administration, you know, 300 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 8: to bring down prices to cost you know, cutting costs 301 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 8: of living. You know, like that's still the number one 302 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 8: thing that voters are thinking about when they go to 303 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 8: the polls. And the fact that that isn't on the 304 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 8: lips of the candidate for president, Kamala Harris every single 305 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 8: day just stuns me because they have a story to tell, 306 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 8: but they just refuse. 307 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 7: To tell it. 308 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 3: Well, the story she seems to be telling, at least 309 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 3: in part today, as we just heard her speaking outside 310 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 3: the Naval Observatory her residence, is about the reported remarks 311 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 3: in the New York Times and The Atlantic of John Kelly, 312 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 3: Trump's former chief of staff, what he said about Hitler, 313 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: what he said about Trump qualifying in the definition of 314 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 3: a fascist. And we understand, based on New Washington Post 315 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 3: reporting that just hit the wire Rick that on Tuesday 316 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: next week, Kamala Harris is planning to deliver a closing 317 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 3: argument speech on the National Mall, where, according to sources familiar, 318 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: at least in part, she'll mention Trump's role in the 319 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 3: January sixth attack on the US capital. What do you 320 00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 3: make of the focus on the threat of Donald Trump 321 00:16:56,680 --> 00:17:00,440 Speaker 3: toward democracy? It's feeling very Joe Biden esk the final 322 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 3: stretch of the race here. 323 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 8: Yeah, it is. It's such a drug to criticize Trump 324 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 8: and to call him a threat to democracy. And when 325 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 8: someone with such credibility as General Kelly comes out and 326 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 8: goes on the record something that nobody would have really 327 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 8: expected him to do because of his patriotism, you know, 328 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 8: it's just you want to grasp you want to hold 329 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 8: that in. And yet this has been a major portion 330 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 8: of the Harris closing argument, is swinging away from issues 331 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 8: like the economy and going back into direct attacks on 332 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 8: Trump as being non democratic. And look, they've got pulling data, 333 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 8: they're making a judgment call. You know, they're seeing something 334 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 8: there that I haven't seen that somehow voters that still 335 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 8: haven't cast ballots or made up their minds are going 336 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 8: to be motivated by that. It's just amazing to me that, 337 00:17:55,080 --> 00:17:57,880 Speaker 8: you know, she would make her closing arguments in Washington, 338 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 8: d C. Washington used to kryptonite. You know, if a 339 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 8: canon for president came to Washington, they immediately fell into polls. 340 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 8: And so good luck to you with that mall rally, 341 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 8: because I'll be darned if I ever thought that would work. 342 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 4: Love to hear from you on this, Kristen. This is 343 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,199 Speaker 4: a remarkable story that Kayleie mentions. The Washington Post is 344 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 4: pointing to the permit application that would put this between 345 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,400 Speaker 4: fourth and seventh Streets on the mall. So imagine Kamala 346 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 4: Harris on what appears to be here a forty foot 347 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 4: stage with the Capital behind her right. This would be 348 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 4: right on the mall where tourists would otherwise be milling 349 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 4: around here about seven thousand people. A thousand chares the 350 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:47,880 Speaker 4: full treatment. Here are these the right optics, which will 351 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 4: be one week before the election. 352 00:18:51,800 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think I don't think it necessarily hurts her, 353 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: as you're saying that as a Washington DC resident, I'm 354 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: just thinking about the traffic that I'm gonna have to 355 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: do with around then. But you know, I think that 356 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: you can have an event like that, you know, look 357 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: very presidential and and you know, She's been all over 358 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: the country and still be in all of these swing 359 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: states and where she needs to be, and in Georgia 360 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: and you know, in Arizona and all these places, and 361 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 1: so I don't think it's one or the other. I 362 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: think that, you know, there there's some optics there, and 363 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:30,240 Speaker 1: then she can also be in a diner in Wisconsin, 364 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: you know, you know, talking with voters in Michigan. So 365 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:36,199 Speaker 1: I think, you know, it just goes to show that 366 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: this campaign, like Rick said, you know there, it's not 367 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: that they're doing this in a vacuum. They've got data 368 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: that's telling them, you know, that's informing these decisions. So 369 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: I would be loath to second guess those, but I 370 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,639 Speaker 1: think that you know, you can do all of the above. 371 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 3: Well, Kristin, If it in part is going to be 372 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 3: a speech about democracy democracy she stands on the National 373 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 3: Mall as Joe paints the picture, or with the capital 374 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 3: behind her, does she need to make it about something 375 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 3: more broad than that? What do you think, based on 376 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 3: your deep knowledge of democratic politics, her closing argument needs 377 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,679 Speaker 3: to be beyond that? Is there something she could be 378 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 3: better spending her words on, not just her physical presence? 379 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think clearly with the capital in 380 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: the background, you know, drawing them those memories of January 381 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: sixth and democracy. And we see some national polls where 382 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: democracy maybe makes the top list or the top five, 383 00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, it's really the economy, healthcare, 384 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,119 Speaker 1: women's healthcare, those types of issues. So I would like 385 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: to see her weave some of those concepts in, and 386 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,399 Speaker 1: she has been doing it about looking forward. You know, 387 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: there's kind of on a dual messaging track where we're 388 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: talking about this man over here is a danger to 389 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 1: democracy and for you Republicans, maybe he'd be able to 390 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: hold your nose and vote for me, you know, but 391 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,159 Speaker 1: also reminding people that she has a path forward on 392 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: these issues that really hit close to home to them, 393 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: including like them being able to put food on their table. 394 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: And I will go back to the gas prices. I 395 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: was just in Texas and gas prices are about like 396 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,919 Speaker 1: two thirty eight gallons. So I agree with Rick, you know, 397 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 1: really taking advantage and like holding onto that and reminding 398 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,440 Speaker 1: people that some things have gone well. All right. 399 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,959 Speaker 3: Kristin Han Rock Solutions partner and Rick Davis, partner at 400 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 3: Stone Court Capital, thank you both so much for joining 401 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 3: us our political panel on this Wednesday edition of Balance 402 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 3: of Power, and we still have much more coming up. 403 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 3: We're going to head to the swing state of Wisconsin 404 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 3: next show. Congressman Bryan's Style, the Republican, will be joining us. 405 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: Have a lot of questions for him, so stay with 406 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 3: us right here on Bloomberg TV and Radio. 407 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 2: You're listening to the Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast Ketch 408 00:21:54,359 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: just live weekdays at noon Eastern on EPO car Play 409 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:00,399 Speaker 2: and then Droud Auto with the Bloomberg Business app demand 410 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts, or watch us live on YouTube. 411 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 4: A very loud argument that's underway between free trade, what 412 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 4: some call fair trade, and what others call isolationism. 413 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're seeing this reflected not just in terms 414 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 3: of actual outright tariff policy when we're talking about where 415 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: goods are made and if they're brought into the United States, 416 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,040 Speaker 3: but increasingly on the part of Donald Trump, you're seeing 417 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 3: it reflected in things like tax policy. He already had 418 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: proposed a lower corporate tax, right to fifteen percent for 419 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 3: companies that manufacture goods in America. Then yesterday in North Carolina, 420 00:22:33,440 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 3: he was talking specifically about offering a tax break on 421 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 3: auto purchases, but only if it's an American made vehicle, 422 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 3: not necessarily European or Asian models, all kind of focusing 423 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 3: on America's manufacturing economy in the final stretches. 424 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 4: That's right, which would a ligne I suppose with Donald 425 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,200 Speaker 4: Trump's prior proposals. But a lot of this just brings 426 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 4: us back to the argument, which in many ways is 427 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 4: not so much an argument. It's a bipartisan look at 428 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 4: our relationship with China. It's just a question about which 429 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 4: campaign in which administration will be carrying the ball on that. 430 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, And of course if anyone wants to be able 431 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 3: to form an administration, the path runs few, just through 432 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 3: just to select few states, one of them being part 433 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 3: of the Blue Wall, the state of Wisconsin. And that's 434 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 3: where we go next, where we're joined by Republican Congressman 435 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 3: from Wisconsin, Brian Style. He's chair of the House Administration 436 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 3: Committee and member of the House Financial Services Committee. Welcome 437 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,639 Speaker 3: back to Balance of Power, sir, Always great to have you. 438 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: If we could just begin with a wide view at 439 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,000 Speaker 3: your state somewhere where yesterday we saw Tim Walls and 440 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 3: former President Obama spending time. How close is the race 441 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: in Wisconsin. Wisconsin right now, from your view the presidential race. 442 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 6: It feels like every two years the state of Wisconsin 443 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 6: is always close. It's going to be once again. And 444 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 6: at the end of the day, this is going to 445 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 6: be a decision based on turnout. And this is where 446 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 6: making sure conservatives and Republicans utilize early voting in the 447 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 6: state of Wisconsin to turn out the vote. That's what 448 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 6: former President Obama, Governor Walls was in town doing. I 449 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 6: myself voted in person early in my hometown of Janesville. 450 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 6: This is the opportunity to make sure that every voice 451 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 6: is heard, and I think now to the end it's 452 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 6: going to be a push to make sure our voters 453 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 6: get out. 454 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 4: Well, glad you mentioned that, Congressman, welcome back. It's good 455 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,639 Speaker 4: to see at least ninety seven thousand people, according to 456 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 4: the Associated Press cast absentee ballots in person the first 457 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,360 Speaker 4: day they could in Wisconsin. But we saw some very 458 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 4: long lines and there were reports of overwhelmed computer systems 459 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 4: that clerks used to process ballots. Is this just par 460 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 4: for the course or is there any concern that you 461 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 4: have about the way this is being conducted overall? 462 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,320 Speaker 6: I think yesterday went well in an environment where a 463 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,159 Speaker 6: large number of people showed up to vote in a 464 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 6: reasonably new system in the state of Wisconsin. I think 465 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 6: most of the challenges were navigated through reasonably quickly. There's 466 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,520 Speaker 6: a small line in my polling location, but overall, I 467 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,199 Speaker 6: think most people were satisfied with our first day of 468 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 6: in person early voting, and we continue to encourage folks 469 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 6: to utilize that tool to make sure that they get 470 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 6: out and vote. While the weather's nice this week in Wisconsin, well. 471 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 3: It's nice here in Washington too, Sir. I have to 472 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 3: have to admit that it's not feeling like Halloween is 473 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 3: around the corner, or an election for that matter. But 474 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 3: we are just thirteen days away, and I do wonder 475 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 3: what you make, sir, of the closing arguments we're getting 476 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 3: from both candidates. If Donald Trump is becoming specific enough 477 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 3: in his messaging to win those voters in Wisconsin that 478 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 3: may yet be undecided, what is the winning message that 479 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: he needs to drive home. 480 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 6: I think President Trump has done a good job and 481 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 6: will continue to talk about the two key policies that 482 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 6: everyone is discussing in Wisconsin, and that's the impact of 483 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,120 Speaker 6: inflation and the cost of living in the second being 484 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 6: border security. In the contrast between the Biden Harris administration 485 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 6: and the President Trump administration on these two issues could 486 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 6: not be more clear. If we're focused in bringing cost 487 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 6: down for families that can afford the things that they need, 488 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 6: and we're focused in on the importance of securing the 489 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 6: US Mexico border, which is having a direct impact here 490 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 6: in the state of Wisconsin, we have an opportunity to 491 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 6: be successful this election. 492 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris is also making a democracy argument here. Congressman, 493 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 4: you might have heard that next Tuesday, there's going to 494 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 4: be a rally or a speech on the National Mall, 495 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 4: and Kamala Harris has pulled a permit to straddle the 496 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 4: mall with the Capitol behind her to talk about the 497 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 4: threat to democracy that she sees Donald Trump posing here 498 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 4: and will recall the events of January sixth. We're hearing 499 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 4: a lot about retired General John Kelly's remarks today, Donald 500 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 4: Trump invoking Adolf Hitler. He too talking about the quest 501 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 4: for absolute power, and I wonder what the Republican answer 502 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,800 Speaker 4: may be. Your answer in a state like Wisconsin is 503 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,359 Speaker 4: when you hear questions about this. 504 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 6: The rhetoric over the last two weeks will most likely 505 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 6: continue to increase. That said, I think we're best served 506 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 6: when we're focused in and having a conversation on the 507 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 6: policy differences between these two candidates. And I think when 508 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,560 Speaker 6: you have that conversation, you ask people, were you better 509 00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 6: off on your four years under President Trump or four 510 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,639 Speaker 6: years under the Biden Harris administration. The answer is clear, 511 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 6: people are better off when President Trump was in office. 512 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 6: And so this is a unique election where we effectively 513 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 6: have two previous incumbents. There are going to be a 514 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,520 Speaker 6: lot of attempts to distract from the economic policies of 515 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 6: the Trump administration, in large part because they were so successful. 516 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 6: And so I think at the end of the day, 517 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 6: this is going to come down to a discussion about policies, 518 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,919 Speaker 6: and the two policies that are front and center is 519 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 6: the impact that inflation is having on families and the 520 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 6: importance of securing the US Mexico border. 521 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:36,560 Speaker 3: What about securing the capital. Congressman is Joe mentioned that 522 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris maybe calling back to January sixth in her 523 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 3: speech next week. We did learn yesterday that fencing around 524 00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 3: the US Capitol will be in place here in Washington 525 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 3: from January fifth through the twenty first, can you tell 526 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 3: us anything, given your seat on the Administration Committee as 527 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 3: to what exactly is planned around the security of the 528 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 3: actual certification of the vote and of the inauguration itself. 529 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 6: As chairman of the Canyon House Administration, we oversee US 530 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 6: Capitol Police and other security apparatus in the Capital. What 531 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 6: is key here is that what we are doing is 532 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 6: reacting to any threats that we see, and we make 533 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 6: sure that our law enforcement agencies have the resources they 534 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 6: need to keep the capital open and to keep visitors, 535 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 6: staff in members safe. In my conversations with US Capitol Police, 536 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 6: with the House Sergeant at Arms and others, I do 537 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 6: believe that we're acting to make sure that they have 538 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 6: the resources, that they will have the resources, and that 539 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 6: we will be able to make sure that the public 540 00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 6: as well as staff and members are able to be 541 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,680 Speaker 6: safe here on Capitol Hill. 542 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,440 Speaker 4: That's important, Congressman, and I appreciate your talking about that 543 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 4: to the benefit of our listeners and viewers who are 544 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 4: concerned about this. There have been still so many questions 545 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 4: about what law enforcement should have been and could have 546 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,479 Speaker 4: been doing that day. Have you heard of any threats 547 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 4: are we talking about the Proud Boys again. Is this 548 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 4: going to be a peaceful day in the Capitol? 549 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 6: It needs to be peaceful and safe in the United 550 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 6: States Capital, as it should be every day. That said, 551 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 6: the security teams here in Washington, d C. And at 552 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 6: the United States Capital are actively monitoring for any threats 553 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 6: from anyone, whether or not that's domestic or foreign, from 554 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 6: the left or from the right, or somewhere in between. 555 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 6: My role as the policymaker is to make sure that 556 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 6: we have the resources we need to keep the US 557 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,479 Speaker 6: Capital safe and to do that while we keep it 558 00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 6: open and accessible to the American public. That can be done. 559 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 6: I feel confident that we are well positioned to make 560 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 6: sure that that's the case well. 561 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: And before we can get to those days in January, 562 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 3: we do have to get through the election. And I 563 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 3: know in this cycle you have been paying close attention 564 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: to campaign finance, looking specifically at Act Blue, but there's 565 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 3: been a lot of questions around campaign finance raised just 566 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,440 Speaker 3: within the last week Congressman surrounding Elon Musk giving a 567 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 3: million dollars to a registered voter in a sweepstakes if 568 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 3: they sign a petition regarding the right to free speech 569 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,960 Speaker 3: and bear arms. Do you share campaign finance concerns about 570 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 3: the activity of mister Musk. 571 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 6: I don't have full visibility into exactly how that sweep 572 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 6: stakes operates. Obviously it's incumbent upon everyone to follow campaign 573 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,560 Speaker 6: finance law. I think broadly we should be encouraging people 574 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 6: to vote, obviously only doing that under the guise of law. 575 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 6: I would trust that somebody is smart as Elon Musk, 576 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 6: as a series of attorneys who've explored that I don't 577 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 6: know the inner workings of the sweep stakes, but I 578 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 6: trust that his attorneys are determined it. 579 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 4: To be legal. 580 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 6: That said, I just broadly encourage everyone to make sure 581 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 6: that their voice is heard this November and that they 582 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 6: take advantage of the opportunity to vote in in an 583 00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 6: absolutely essential November election. 584 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 4: Congress from Brian's style, Republican from Wisconsin's first district Congressman, 585 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 4: it's good to have you back. We still taste the 586 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 4: cheese kurds from you singers in Milwaukee. It's good to 587 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 4: see you here. On Balance of Power, I'm Joe Matthew 588 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 4: alongside Kaylee Lines in Washington. Just think every day we 589 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 4: come on the air here and we add more events 590 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 4: to the schedule in real time. Now, We've got a 591 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 4: national address on the Mall, the National Mall Tuesday from 592 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 4: Kamala Harris. Donald Trump's putting together Madison Square Garden, and 593 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 4: we've got two weeks to go. 594 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's still concerts that will be in play. 595 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 3: Bruce Springsteen's going to be in Pennsylvania with Obama. We 596 00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 3: may have more musical appearances as well. Podcast to look 597 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 3: forward to Joe Rogan on Friday with Donald Trump. It 598 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 3: is going to be a lot of information and sound 599 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 3: by what will be coming at us. 600 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,239 Speaker 4: That's true. We're watching and listening, so you don't have to. 601 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,719 Speaker 2: You're listening to The Bloomberg Balance of Power podcast can 602 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 2: just live weekdays at noon Eastern on Applecarplay and then 603 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 2: ron Oro with the Bloomberg Business app. You can also 604 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 2: listen live on Amazon Alexa from our flagship New York station, 605 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: Just say Alexa play Bloomberg eleven thirty. 606 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,920 Speaker 4: I'm Joe, Matthew and Washington as we zero in on 607 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,400 Speaker 4: Georgia specifically. Now, we just have new numbers and this 608 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 4: is truly fascinating. Here, brand new numbers that I got 609 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 4: my hands on here from producer James This is from 610 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 4: the Secretary of State's Election Data Hub Georgia now early 611 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 4: voting as of ten thirty two am today, these numbers 612 00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 4: are something million, eight hundred and fifty nine eight hundred 613 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 4: thirty early voting ballots accepted. That puts turnout close to 614 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 4: two million already in Georgia, twenty seven percent of registered voters. 615 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 4: When you start looking down the list here beyond Georgia, 616 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,040 Speaker 4: we can do this North Carolina, Wisconsin, Nevada. This is 617 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 4: arguably the most important part of the story right now, 618 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 4: two weeks election day. Yes, but people are voting now, 619 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 4: and in some of the states where we get to 620 00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 4: see the actual party registration adjacent to the ballot, we're 621 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 4: seeing Republicans do a much better job than they have 622 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 4: in the past of getting out early, if you at 623 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 4: least consider that to be a good strategy. And that's 624 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,000 Speaker 4: where we start with Andre Gillespie, Emory University, Associate professor 625 00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 4: of the Department of Political Science. Professors back with us 626 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 4: on Bloomberg and it's great to see you, Andre, give 627 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,560 Speaker 4: us your take on what's happening on the ground right 628 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 4: now in Georgia where this election is already being decided. 629 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 9: Yes, well, at voters and Georgia are choosing early voting 630 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 9: in record numbers, and I think that that says something 631 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 9: about the debate about whether or not there should be 632 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 9: in early voter seizing, or whether or not election day 633 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 9: should only be one day. Georgia voters, regardless of party, 634 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 9: regardless of region, are choosing to exercise their right to 635 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,720 Speaker 9: early vote, and so that seems as a policy discussion, 636 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 9: we shouldn't be talking about trying to eliminate early voting. 637 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 9: I think that there would be a lot of people 638 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 9: on both sides of the isle who would be really 639 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 9: upset with this. The other thing that I think is 640 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 9: really important. 641 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 4: Please, The other thing. 642 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 9: That's really important from this debate is that people have 643 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 9: made up their minds already, and people knew this already. 644 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 9: I think this reinforces the idea that this is a 645 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 9: base election and the candidate who wins is the one 646 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:52,920 Speaker 9: who has the best ground game. 647 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 4: Tell me what that means for the rnc's effort then 648 00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 4: to get Republican voters out early. U is some of 649 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 4: the mixed messaging that we've heard from Donald Trump, who 650 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 4: was calling this idea stupid as recently as a week ago. 651 00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,960 Speaker 9: Well, we'll still be testing this after the fact, but 652 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 9: this does kind of lend credence to the efficacy of 653 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 9: early voting and some of the efforts that the RNC 654 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 9: was making quietly. You know, we'll see whether or not 655 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:19,959 Speaker 9: people change their mind because Donald Trump actually said early 656 00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:22,880 Speaker 9: voting was okay a couple of weeks ago. But I 657 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 9: think we have to acknowledge the fact that the RNC 658 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 9: had actually quietly been encouraging people to use early in 659 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 9: absentee balloting. The other thing I think is also important 660 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,480 Speaker 9: to keep in mind is that before twenty twenty, absentee 661 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 9: and early voting had been the province of Democrats or 662 00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 9: older white voters in particular. And so if we think 663 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 9: about why older people would be more likely to engage 664 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 9: in early and absentee voting because of their age, because 665 00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,360 Speaker 9: they can do so, they have flexibility during workdays to 666 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 9: go out early, or because it might be easier from 667 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 9: a health standpoint to go out and vote early or 668 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,600 Speaker 9: to mail in a ballot. I think what we're seeing 669 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 9: as a return to the equilibrium where early voting it 670 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,400 Speaker 9: tends to be something that older, whier voters do because 671 00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 9: our older population is less racially diverse. 672 00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 4: Returning to the equilibrium, consider the balance then in Georgia 673 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: between Tucker Carlson and Bruce Springsteen. You've got some real choices. Tonight, 674 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 4: Professor Tucker Carlson with Donald Trump in Georgia. They're going 675 00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 4: to have an event a little bit later on that 676 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 4: apparently is going to be part of a Tucker Carlson program, 677 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 4: will be in the Atlanta suburbs at an arena in Duluth, Georgia, 678 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 4: as Bruce Springsteen meantime gets on a stage with Barack Obama. 679 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 4: Who are the audiences for these two very different presentations? 680 00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 9: So I don't think that the audience members are going 681 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 9: to be conflicted about where they're going to go. People 682 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,400 Speaker 9: are not going to be showing up to these events 683 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 9: specifically for Bruce Springsteen or Tucker Carlson. They're also there 684 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 9: for Kamala Harris and for Donald trum And I think 685 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,440 Speaker 9: the other thing that's important about celebrity endorsements, the literature 686 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 9: in political science is actually somewhat dubious about whether or 687 00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 9: not celebrity endorsements matter in terms of persuading people to 688 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 9: change their minds. The types of people who are going 689 00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,800 Speaker 9: to show up to these events are already committed partisans 690 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 9: who are already committed to Trump or Harris before they 691 00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 9: knew who was going to headline this particular rally. There's 692 00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:25,320 Speaker 9: new data out of Harvard that suggests a celebrity endorsements 693 00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,360 Speaker 9: do matter from a mobilization standpoint, particularly with respect to 694 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 9: voter registration. Now, in Georgia, the voter registration deadline is 695 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 9: a month before the election, so nobody knew was going 696 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 9: to register to vote as a result of seeing these 697 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 9: headliners at these events. But imagine what that impact could 698 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,480 Speaker 9: be in a state that has same day voter registration 699 00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 9: like Wisconsin. So if you're in a state where the 700 00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:49,839 Speaker 9: voter registration deadline is either zero to seven days ahead 701 00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 9: of an election, having celebrity endorsements could actually help get 702 00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 9: some new people to the polls. But I think most 703 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,839 Speaker 9: important thing about rallies, and the most important thing about 704 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 9: celebrity headliners is the earned media. So we're talking about them, 705 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,640 Speaker 9: we're giving free advertising to both the Trump and the 706 00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 9: Harris campaigns because of the facts that they got cool 707 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:10,240 Speaker 9: people to show up for them at a campaign. Depending 708 00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:11,600 Speaker 9: on what your definition. 709 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 4: Of cool is earned media. Although I let I guess 710 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,600 Speaker 4: if you're Donald Trump, You're still spending one million dollars 711 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:22,680 Speaker 4: to appear on stage at Madison Square Garden on Sunday night. 712 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,719 Speaker 4: A lot of people are compelled by this because he's 713 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,520 Speaker 4: not really running to win the state of New York. 714 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,880 Speaker 4: He might help a couple of Republican House members, but 715 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 4: this is really seizing on the idea that this is 716 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 4: a national election, right and he's going to get a 717 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 4: heck of a lot of earned media coverage, a lot 718 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 4: of free media that's probably worth more than a million 719 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 4: dollars for a night at Madison Square Garden. Professor, how 720 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 4: do you see it? 721 00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:43,640 Speaker 6: So? 722 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,799 Speaker 9: I mean that certainly could be part of the strategy. 723 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 9: To the extent that there is a strategy, I mean, 724 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,200 Speaker 9: there are things that I question about Donald Trump's decision making, 725 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 9: you know, in general about this. If he is coupling 726 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 9: this appearance with a major fundraiser in New York, then 727 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 9: I would argue that that is a pretty sound strategy. 728 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 9: And so the only reason for candidates to go to 729 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,680 Speaker 9: decidedly red or decidedly blue states and cities if they 730 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,440 Speaker 9: have lots of donors in those areas who can actually 731 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 9: help build up the coffers of that campaign. But Donald 732 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 9: Trump's four ray is into places where it's clear he's 733 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,200 Speaker 9: either going to win them hands down or he's going 734 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,640 Speaker 9: to lose them decidedly. Doesn't make sense unless you're thinking 735 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,360 Speaker 9: about other aspects of the campaign, like earned media and 736 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:25,960 Speaker 9: like fundraising capabilities. 737 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's difficult to gauge the strategy in some of 738 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 4: these states. Of course, he was at Coachella about a 739 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 4: week ago as well. Ore where are you specifically in 740 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,360 Speaker 4: Georgia when it comes to the middle, the undecideds or 741 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 4: the deciders as the New York Times I believe was 742 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:47,600 Speaker 4: calling them in their most recent poll. You talked about 743 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,000 Speaker 4: the get out the vote effort and the ground game. 744 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:54,839 Speaker 4: Here are we beyond turning non voters into voters or 745 00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 4: d's into ours or whatever. This is people who are 746 00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 4: uncommitted one way or the other and simply going with 747 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 4: the names and phone numbers that the campaigns have to 748 00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,240 Speaker 4: get people out. That is what is going to decide 749 00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:06,720 Speaker 4: the selection. 750 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,320 Speaker 9: Well, that small sliver of undecided voters doesn't matter unless 751 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 9: the base turns out to vote at expected rates. If 752 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,399 Speaker 9: you have lackluster turnout amongst your base, you're not going 753 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:18,680 Speaker 9: to be able to make it up with a small 754 00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 9: sliver of undecided voters. So that's the important thing. The 755 00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 9: base always matter, The base still matters. As to these 756 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,919 Speaker 9: undecided voters, some of them may be KOI in terms 757 00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,560 Speaker 9: of what they're reporting to polsters. Some of them may 758 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,879 Speaker 9: be truly undecided, and I think the bigger risk here 759 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 9: is that they don't show up to vote at all, 760 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,359 Speaker 9: and then there'll be a question of, well, how are 761 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,040 Speaker 9: these people breaking One of the things that was really 762 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,399 Speaker 9: interesting is that the Atlanta Journal Constitution released a poll 763 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:48,080 Speaker 9: in Georgia last week or yesterday, and it suggested that 764 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 9: eight percent of respondents were undecided in the race. If 765 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,800 Speaker 9: we break it down by race, it was a higher 766 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 9: percentage of African American voters who were saying that they 767 00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:01,000 Speaker 9: were undecided. Again, the coynesses quession, you know, I think 768 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 9: is certainly on the table with this. But this may 769 00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:07,399 Speaker 9: also suggest, you know, that the campaigns need to do 770 00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 9: more outreach in these communities and that there are people 771 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,080 Speaker 9: who might be withholding their vote until they feel that 772 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 9: they've been properly contacted. 773 00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,520 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, Well, this is in many ways an endangerous species, 774 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 4: the undecided voter. Lastly, Professor, interesting move by the Georgia 775 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,840 Speaker 4: Supreme Court rejecting this push by the Republican Party to 776 00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 4: reinstate election rules that would have required hand counting of 777 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,560 Speaker 4: all ballots. So meet you back here in six months 778 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,200 Speaker 4: to see who won Georgia again rejected. But there's a 779 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,759 Speaker 4: challenge to that most recent ruling. How is this going 780 00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 4: to end for Georgia by November fifth? 781 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,359 Speaker 9: So I am only a casual observer of courts. 782 00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 8: I'm not a lawyer. 783 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 9: I think it's a question of the timetable whether or 784 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,359 Speaker 9: not with thirteen days out from an election, there's enough 785 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,480 Speaker 9: time to follow the briefs and have a judge issue 786 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,399 Speaker 9: a ruling before election day. 787 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,359 Speaker 4: It's great to have you back under. Let's talk again 788 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,360 Speaker 4: before everyone gets to voting. Under Gillespie, with record levels 789 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,440 Speaker 4: of early voting around her in Georgia, Emery University, Professor 790 00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,560 Speaker 4: in the Department of Political Science, always break to spend 791 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 4: some time together. Thanks for listening to the Balance of 792 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 4: Power podcast. Make sure to subscribe if you haven't already, 793 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 4: at Apple, Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts, and 794 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 4: you can find us live every weekday from Washington, DC 795 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,280 Speaker 4: at noontime Eastern at bloomberg dot com,